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PODCAST | The Round 1 Scoring Conundrum

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Patch is joined by Damo and Barron to unpack a rollercoaster round one. They discuss what to do with a suspended Patrick Dangerfield, an injured Matt Rowell, which rookies are must haves and should we be worried about ruckmen?

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Daniel Klinger

What are your thoughts on Rory Sloane lads.. seems like he has gone under the radar

Derek

Sloane is a very good player. Probably not in the best 15 midfielders, but definitely in the next lot.

At $470k is is probably under priced, could average 100.

Got a nice bump on the weekend without MCrouch playing.

If you only had $470k to spend and you didn’t like Taranto, Williams or Heeney and it had to be a midfielder who will play every week, you could get him and hope he makes an ok M8

Hugh

Sloane’s an ok pick. might score less once Matt Crouch returns.

Derek

As Patch said in Podcast, Ok is good

Clarky

Personally dont mind Sloane. Think he can be a bit of role player but you could 100% get him on the way up. Still need a bigger sample of games

Lekdog

I don’t think he sustains it through the year

Russty_

Klinger, I’m recommending you for a section 8

TRIGGA HAPPY

Fire sale. Nothing over $500k.
Remember this team?
About 6 weeks ago i posted the team below. I didn’t have big enough cahones to start this team but thought it may be fun just to see how this team would go against the gnr super star studded team each week and throughout the year.
Will be fascinating to compare. 😉
Team was:
Def: Williams, witherden, duggan, rich, lukosious, mileria. (DGB, gould)
Mid: rowell, tarranto, ldu, cerra, serong, simpkin, smith, caldwell. (Powell, e smith, macrae)
Ruck: Hickey, Pruess. (Treacy)
Fwd: Heeney, butters, ryan, phillps, ziebell, impey. (Rowe, cockatoo).
So like all teams rookies would change before rd 1 based on selection.
Def: Highmore, sharp
Mid: powell, gulden, berry
Ruck: flynn
Fwd: rowe, campbell.
Due to injuries/non selection I have made the following changes.
Williams = Moore
Witherden = Clarke
Milera = Young
Pruess = Martin
$46k left in bank.
Great thing about this team is no first year player is on ground.
I have worked out the Round 1 score = 2175 (Heeney capt) and that is with rowell’s 6.
Looking at that score I should have started this team! Not bad huh?
Rd 2 trades.
I am bringing Williams back in.
Duggan – Z Williams
Rowell – Mcgrath.
Remaining salary after trades $22k
Will see how the “fire sale” goes after rd 2.

Lekdog

Amazing Trigga

JohnDJ59

Is that Hunter Clark or Jordan Clark.

TRIGGA HAPPY

Hunter

JohnDJ59

OK thanks Trigga.

Hugh

The Hawks Do tag on occasion. Liam Shiels hard tagging Dusty could keep D. Martin to 10 possesions without costing The Hawks much. Both players have won 3 Premierships.

Matt

What has the amount of premierships the respective players have played in got to do with anything???

Russty_

I hear eggs these days are about $4 per dozen.

Derek

Howe is more than handy at tagging

Big G

Dunkley or TmItch?

Russty_

Both but Dunkley first I reckon, Titch I’d like to see how his body holds up for the next few games. If Dunk stays midfield he’s a bargain and should score great.

Derek

Agree. With early round corrective trades, I like to go like for like

The Jinx

Would you do these trades Derek?

Danger to Dusty
Cripps to Ridley

At the moment I’m thinking of
Danger to Ziebell
A.Fyfe to Heeney/Butters

Derek

Danger to Dusty is about as safe as you could play it. Both highly owned, similar score potential and both definite a keeper

Cripps to Ridley only if Cripps is injured. Is he? Cripps played well until half time when Bolton gave him a lot of attention.

No need for Ziebell this week, look at him again before his price rise

Heeney is worth a thought. I’m a big fan. Danger to Heeney this week and bank the cash. There might be another rookie get dropped round 3 you can turn into Ziebell. Fyfe is a handy two line loophole and gives you a swing set out of defence for trades.

The Jinx

Thanks Derek

We’ll see what happens tomorrow of what decisions I’ll make.

Just have a gut feeling with Cripps, that shoulder of his kinda of worry me. He’s was crouching down holding his shoulder in the 1st 2mins of 4th QTR near the boundary at HB. He’s still in my side.

Danger is the obvious that will have to go, Heeney & Ziebell is enticing for their value and cash gen.

Last edited 18 days ago by The Jinx
gator59

About 500 coaches have dumped Gawn already, What a waste of a trade and can I remind them that Gawn started last season with the exact same score in Rd 1 (93). Proceeded to average 163 in his next 6 games and 140 for the year.

demonsdelight

And he plays against stkilda this week who may as well have you playing

Russty_

Haha I heard Gator was a pretty decent Ruck Neil…Hunter should change his name to Hunted, maybe Ratts should give the gig to McKernan and leave Hunter fwd.

gator59

Hi Russty what a fecking nightmare of a round.. I think this was the first time in my SC playing that I’ve gone sub 2000 first round and I limped or should i say crawled to a miserly 1901.. Next week i’ll go 2400 plus so lookout all coaches Gator will be back after having to trade Danger and Rowell.

Russty_

l know mate and I feel for ya…only reason I didn’t get similar was cause I vc’d Dusty, made the wrong call with Flynn and Hunter, left Gulden on the pine, yeah it’ll get better mate. Sucks having 2 forced trades round 1…reckon I’m going Walsh and Dunks, who are you bringing in?

gator59

I’m either going Tich and Butters or Ridley and Dunks. It will be a split second decision I reckon

gator59

For some reason I’m not sold on Walsh to be a top 10 Mid

Russty_

I have doubts too but I can’t afford anyone more expensive, could stick Dunks in the mids and go for a fwd or back. I reckon Walsh will at least ave 100, maybe push it to 110, could do worse than having him as m7 or 8 at the end.

gator59

True that mate, The concern with Walsh and Tich for that matter too is their Handball to Kick ratio is to high for me….. Walsh 122 Sc points for12 kicks 19 handballs 6 marks 3 tackles 2 free kicks for and 4 against.13 contested poss which is good but 6 clangers ……… Compare that to Mitchell 135 SC points 11 kicks 28 handballs 1 mark 5 tackles 2 for 5 contested poss and 3 clangers
Don’t get me wrong they are great numbers but if you flipped the HB to Kick ratios just imagine the points they would rack up.
This is why I didn’t start Cripps when he played in the aami game he was just handball happy like he was last year

Derek

Maybe top 11

gator59

Or there’s another way that I’m thinking of is trading Danger and Rowell and bring in Tich and a rookie and save the cash for Marshall in the week or two

Russty_

Yeah right…I tried a similar scenario with Dunks and Young and banked 273k, looks nice having such a healthy bank balance.

gator59

Yeah i had 473k after doing this and looked really good having the cash sitting there .. But and it’s a big but when is Marshall going to play..
Can we afford not to have a Premo not playing for 2/3 weeks and then fall right behind the pack
If this was the case we may as well keep Danger

Derek

If you have so much cash, you might as well keep Danger or get Marshall now

Lekdog

Agree

demonsdelight

happened to me last year and with almost the same team went 35 OA. funny game

demonsdelight

Didn’t like his gumboots though Russty.

gator59

Sorry mate I’m injured atm and have been demoted to cutting the oranges

demonsdelight

Must be something in the Colac water

gator59

Yeah, I think they call it H20

TRIGGA HAPPY

Need to see how the $$ rucks go again this week (as a bare minimum) before making such a rash decision.
Just gonna chill as prices dont change till next week. Will reassess then. Didnt start rowell but my 1 trade will be to trade out danger mouse …

gator59

Agree Trigga, We pick these premos for a reason.. Why rage trade after one game

The Jinx

Definitely watching the Rucks this week. Everyone keeps saying about Gawn scoring 93 same as last year, but if you compare the Rnd1 stats from last year and last week. You can see how inflated his score last season Rnd1. If he has another ordinary game/score this week against a rookie for the 2nd time.

I will be pulling that trigger.

Lekdog

Clear hold for me

ST1974

Thinking of making a couple of corrective trades this week. Caldwell to Zeibel. I had Zeibel in my team up until last Friday and got rid of him to bring in Butters. This will then give me the money to upgrade Rowell to either Walsh or Boak (I originally was going to select Boak instead of Fyfe, however, didn’t have the guts to pull the trigger).

New week, I will trade Hunter to Flynn and also get rid of any non playing or non performing rookies in my team.

Appreciate your thoughts and any advice.

Donavan

Thought Caldwell looked alright last week, and think he would be worth keeping at least for another week. There must be other alternatives
Taranto looked good value, could you just trade Rowell to Taranto, and use just the one trade.

Derek

I would just go Rowell to Ziebell this week

Only need to fix what is broken in week 1

Lekdog

Agree!

The Jinx

My thoughts are the same as you Damo regarding rucks combo, the likes of Martin/English, Ceglar/McEvoy will compliment each other and will score well. Grundy needs Cox or Cameron to rotate in the Ruck and Forward, keeping a close watch on Grundy/combo the next weeks.

FearTheBeard

So had a good round though Danger & Rowell stuffed me.

Thoughts on these options?
Mills & Stephenson?
Dunkley & Mills/Ridley
Titchell & Z Williams?

I was originally going Titch & ZWill. Reversed it for Mills & Stephenson as it leaves me 250k for next week and avoids trying to figure out Stephensons pending cash jump if he locks a top forward spot. His roll looked promising in the mids?

The Jinx

I like Dunkley and can’t go wrong with either Mills or Ridley. If I decide to pull the trigger on Cripps, Ridley will be my pick to take his place, but for now I’m holding on Cripps.

Last edited 19 days ago by The Jinx
FearTheBeard

Can do Dunkley & Mills or Ridley.

Though did you think the logic in Stephenson is worthy ?He’s going to jump the most. Mid 300k. Midfield and killed it while getting smashed by Port?

Dunkley won’t jump to far?

Also unsure with Mills & Ridley. Had Ridley all last year. Nice score in a tight game. Mills killed it too and Swans played Lions?

The Jinx

I got your logic,

If you think/guessing Stephenson will be top8 Foward by end of season. Then by all means go for it.

I think the likes of Dunkley should be a top6 forward, Ridley should remain in top6 defender or top8 the most. Mills should there about.

So if you weigh it up.
Stephenson a possible keeper vs a keeper that has more chance of being a top 8 in their respective position. And not have to worry trading them out unless injury occurs.

You are after all using 2 trades and you might have to use another trade if Stephenson doesn’t work out.

FearTheBeard

Yeh I get it.

Dunkley has left me concerned with everything in the Dogs heavy mids. Plus Bev knowing he wants out. They beat up the Pies so not amazed by that.Guess I’m impressed with Stephenson and can’t see anyone who going to take points off him? Can you ? That’s where I am unsure.

Why would you lead to Ridley over Mills also just curious?

The Jinx

North has Cunnington, Hall, Garner & Anderson to come back. Not sure if Stephenson’s mid time stays as he did in Rnd1 or decrease.

Last edited 19 days ago by The Jinx
FearTheBeard

Do you think they would all take points?Cunningham & Hall I could see maybe? Other 2 dunno? Good points though. How far away are they?

The Jinx

You’d be surprised Jed Anderson can take points and mid time from Stephenson. Just have a look at his stats last season, he took over Cunnington when Cunners was out most of the season. Hall has some work to do, needs to prove himself in the north best 22. He’s a about 1 to weeks away. Cunners not quite sure when he’ll return, has a concussion issue.

FearTheBeard

Making me uneasy 😐 lol.

david

Jed Anderson might impact his scores significantly. Anderson should be back this week I’d hold off and see what happens this week, you don’t want to make important decisions based on a single good or bad game.

The Jinx

Sorry to make you uneasy with Stephenson. At the end of the day its your decision to make, no one else’s.

Oh! Missed the Ridley over Mills Question. It was a toss of a coin, but I really like Ridleys role, with no Saad i think he should better his ave points by around 10.

FearTheBeard

Thought outside the box.

Move Campbell down to replace Danger (both where on field). Move Clark down from D to Mid to replace Campbell.
Bring in Mills.
Move Sharp down from D bench, promote Gulden to on field put Sharp on bench in Mids….

Therefor Danger & Rowell out. Mills & Ridley in?
Only thing I’m unsure about is it would leave me with 6 Premium defenders and only way I get Lloyd or maybe Z Williams is moving Laird down to mids.

FearTheBeard

More I look at that more I like it.

Gives me another look at Stephenson. If Grundy/Gawn flop I could make a trade there and get him before jump.

Have the ability to push Laird down for Lloyd/Z Williams (Lloyd will drop some, Z Williams can show me what he can do).

Mids can stand out for me. Started with Oliver, Macrae, Taranto , Z Merrett so can work out who I need to start looking for.

Forward has Dusty, Ziebell with rookies like Rowe, Jones, Campbell, Warner, Brockman, Scott fattening up to show me who I need to get. Dunkley is a clear option and maybe Butters or Heeney or Stephenson though none of them make me overly confident. Not even Dunkley. Can also look at Danger in 6-8 weeks if he bleeds some.
I feel Mills & Ridley are the best scoring options too….

The Jinx

Lol!! Reminded me of the ad “Taco or Nacho” if you can’t decide, why not have both. Hehehe

It’s not a bad choice But deym!!! That’s a packed defense, set and forget backline right there. At least you have Laird, you put him in the gut later on to make 1 room for someone that’s a must in defense.

I’m keeping 2(3 Laird DPP) spots open for now. We’ll have a fair good idea who will be top3 defenders by bye rounds.

Last edited 18 days ago by The Jinx
FearTheBeard

Well really I already have 4 (Laird, Short, Daniels, Stewart) and you don’t trade them unless you have to now they where my keepers.

Mills & Ridley are surely in the top 8. I can only see Maynard, Lloyd, Z Williams competing all year? Maybe Howe/Moore?

Lloyd is a plan and would move Laird down for. I feel the rest could easily be overlooked for Short, Daniels, Stewart, Mills, Ridley?

I have no confidence in the forward line choices outside of Dunkley and am still waiting to see more there before I jump.

The midfield clearly has a bunch more like Boak, Titch, Bont etc etc. Though with Oliver, Macrae, ZMerrett locked for good. Taranto likely a keeper if he keeps doing it gives me time to work out which 4 to go for. Does Titch break? Boak slow down? Bont drop some turds pushing forward? I struggle to say outside of Neale another mid I am certain at some stage I will go for and he has a 100k to drop yet.

Would you agree with my thought when breaking that down?

Derek

You saw what Titch can do with limited pre season, wait until be gets going.

Did same last year coming back from a broken leg, first few weeks had a couple of 90’s but once he was fit and going he went big

FearTheBeard

Thanks Derek. So would you not get Ridley & Mills instead Titch & someone like Stephenson? Maybe Z Will?

Eric

Would I’d be crazy to trade Lachie Neale and Matt Rowell. So I can get Tom Mitchell and Travis Boak in?

Or should I just trade Rowell to Williams via Laird.
Thanks Team!

Donavan

Yes, you would be crazy to trade Neale after 1 round.
Rowell to Taranto if you dont have him.

I would wait on seeing the role of Zack Williams, and how he is used with Saad, Cripps, Walsh, etc

Derek

Williams will go straight into the guts and rest forward.

Push little Paddy Dow out of the way, sorry Dow owners.

Lekdog

Don’t trade Neale

Eric

Lekdog I love you mate but Neale is really making it tough to keep him in hahaha. I think I might move him on. I know I shouldn’t!!! But I could use the cash else where! Might even drop Crippa, so he can play well because I think I’m cursed Hahahahahaha

JohnDJ59

Hope you didn’t trade in Williams.

Eric

Lol of course I did hahaha.
I had Taranto in but changed it last minute. The joys of supercoach and overthinking Hahahaha

Tofaco

Great podcast guys! Blown away by the quantity and quality of content!
I really needed your calm voices to guide me, the best thing I heard was to just hold on and wait a week. I’ve gotta get rid of Rowell but otherwise things are ok, unbelievably almost everybody played so I’m happy.
Any thoughts on Rowell’s replacement? I’m thinking: boak, B Smith, taranto, or jiggle everyone around and bring in Flynn and bank the $600k?

Russty_

If Flynn’s ankle is ok you’ve gotta have him, he’ll make stacks of cash.

demonsdelight

As will hunter?

Russty_

Maybe a couple of 5 cent piece stacks 😉

Last edited 18 days ago by Russty_
Rick Grimes

Was going to go Rowell to Titch but worrying I may be replacing one injury prone bloke with another.

Derek

Titch. Injury prone? Are you serious?

He played every game in 2020. Besides the whole of 2019, the last game he has missed was round 4 2015 when he was at the swans

Rick Grimes

Didn’t play preseason due to injury. Missed a whole season due to injury. Last year questionably undercooked due to coming back too early from injury. Seems a bit of risk there.
PS, owned him all last year so I’m not a hater.

Derek

he missed preseason because he was recovering from shoulder surgery. Not an injury. Now he has had the surgery you would expect the injury is now fixed.

He scored good last year, 113 coming back from a year off and struggling with a crook shoulder near the end of the season, but still didn’t miss a game.

andrewpawiak7

Hey Community! Who to trade Rowell to? Boak, Dunkley, or Walsh? And why? Got $590,600 to spend. Any help is appreciated!

Russty_

Out of those 3 I’d go Dunkley, Boak is still good but he’s 32, Walsh could start getting tagged thanks to David King lol

Derek

Dunkley is good enough to stay in your team rest of the year

Boak is a massive POD but I’m not confident he will keep going for a long season

Walsh looked outstanding last round, but I’d wait to see how he goes with Martin and Williams in team

Rick Grimes

Last year Boak went 125, 112, 159 to start, then scored 90, 133, 70, 98, 54, 107, 67. Post byes he came home strong.
Not saying he’ll do the same this year, but food for thought.

Derek

Boak scored 160 from 71% TOG. that is insane numbers.

It was against North Melbourne.

Even though the score was great, the TOG% is alarming for me. He is getting a bit older, quarters are longer, game is faster and less interchange. I can see him keeping up the pace for a few more weeks, but can he continue. If he gets 71% TOG as a regular thing, he won’t be scoring 160 often.

He did 80% TOG back in 2019, but last year it dropped to 77% in the shorter quarters, he was one of the few premiums to see his TOG% fall.

I don’t like the trend

Winko

Rockliff – Will lose value. Coach has shown how he might use him this year. Hold or trade ?

Russty_

I was surprised to see him used as a sub, must’ve been a reason, maybe he had a niggle?
If you think it’ll be a regular thing then yep I’d trade him.

Lekdog

Trade, get out of that mess while you can

Andrew Paton

Thanks guys, I traded 🤙

glenn

Replacement for Rowell??

* Taranto
* Brayshaw
* Walsh

Any thoughts welcomed 🙂

Russty_

All good players, all probs average around the same, flip a coin mate.

Derek

Walsh might be a top 10

Have you thought about Heeney or Williams?

Rick Grimes

Walsh best of those.

Jlo

When do prices increase this year? After the second or third game?

Thanks

Derek

After 3rd

holty01

Nice work as always lads

Lekdog

Was good wasn’t it Holty!

TommyC99

Hey community,

Had an absolute stinker of a round 1 so need to get semi aggressive. Got Danger and Rowell and thinking of bringing in Titch and Dusty? Think its fairly safe but only concern is it means i cant rookie corrective trade (got Henry, bergman, brockman and no Jordon or Berry).
Should i just pull the trigger and deal with rookies next week? Doing the 2 trades above only leaves me with 8k for next week. Other option is to bring in a taranto instead!

Last edited 18 days ago by tommyc99
The Ranger

If I was in your shoes Tommy I’d try and hold a bit of cash back for rookie corrections next week so I’d bring in Titch and someone closer to Rowells price. In saying that, I don’t think you’re likely to regret getting Titch and Dusty!

Derek

Rookies are only dealt with when they are on the bubble, next week

The Jinx

As what Derek said.

If Jordon & Berry are the only ones you don’t have. Then there’s no hurry to bring them in this week or trading out any of your rookies.

Concentrate on your injured/suspended players for this round.

Lekdog

Get your premos sorted this week

Russty_

I’d wait on Titch and go for T.Kelly or Taranto instead ,and Dusty, will leave you a nice chunk of extra change, Kelly and Taranto both looked good.. especially Kelly I reckon.

Jack

Hey guys thoughts on replacement for Rowell?

  • Mcgrath
  • Walsh
  • Taranto
  • Brayshaw

or via DPP with Laird

  • Ridley
  • Mills
  • ETC…

Appreciate any advice, this is a tricky season!

Donavan

Ridley for mine. He is a 100% keeper, whereas the midfielders you listed are maybe keepers or stepping stones.

Lekdog

I like Ridley of that bunch

andyp7

Do we think Stephenson stays in midfield when Cunnington, Anderson, and Hall return? Or does he get pushed forward?

Rowdy

I’m wondering the same thing! He looks very enticing though.

Lekdog

Dumont also to return

Russty_

It’s hard to know mate…he looked great though running wild, it’s a risk if you pick him, People chose Duggan cause he was sposed to be all mid and only attended 2 bounces and scored crap…like when he was playing as a defender. Unproven players are always a risk until they’re not.

ST1974

Enjoyed listening to the Podcast. Great work gents!. Keen to get some thoughts on whether to replace Rowell with one of Dunkley, Brayshaw (Free), Smith (WB), Walsh, Tarranto etc or swing Laird into the Midfield and swap Rowell with Ridley, H Clark, Short or another defender instead.
Should I also get rid of L Jones this week since he is listed as out til Round 5 or leave it another week since I have coverage on the bench in the form of Sharp.
Who is everyone putting the VC and C on this week – at the moment I have the VC on Oliver and the C on Dusty.
Appreciate any thoughts and keep up the great work.

Russty_

Hi ST, I like Ridley and Dunkley out of that lot, I think Jones will get a game at some point, could you use him as your Captain’s loophole and save a trade?…otherwise yeah get rid of him and get one of the hot rookies in you don’t have. VC on Oliver sounds good, but you’d hope he does well cause I wouldn’t trust the C to Dusty, he can be a bit up and down early in the year.
I went VC on Grundy so can rest easy for the rest of the weekend now 🙂

JohnDJ59

I like Dunkley first due to his mid/fwd, then Brayshaw if you going with a midfielder. The three defenders you mention are all good picks, I think Ridley is a set and forget type and H.Clark is a good value play. I have the VC on Merrett and the C on Clarry.

ST1974

Thanks Russty and John for your advice – much appreciated. Well done Russty on putting the VC on Grundy. I have Grundy, however, wasn’t confident enough to put the VC on him, however, very happy with the score he got.
I am looking to go either Ridley or Dunkley (don’t have the cash for both) to replace Rowell and it depends on whether I replace him with a midfielder/forward like Dunkley, Brayshaw, T Kelly, Tarranto or I move Laird into the midfield via Sharp DPP and replace Rowell with Ridley or H Clark.
As always, too many options to choose from which makes the decision very hard.

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