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Show us your Supercoach teams – V1

Published by Barron Von Crow on

Yes, Supercoach is back for 2021 and now that it’s early February we’ve all had a bit of time to get our teams going, tinker around with them a bit and get sucked in by all the midfield minutes that are out there to help all those eager young players become breakout Supercoach stars.

In the spirit of sharing BarronVonCrow has been kind enough to give us a preview of his V1 Supercoach side.

But more importantly Community, we want to see what you have selected for your V1 side! So let us know in the comments below and lets get some discussion going!

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Andrew Stimson

Essendon’s Johnson could be a point of difference.

Russty_

You reckon he’ll play round 1 Andrew?

Jake

I dont think he will play round 1. Will be interesting to see where he fits in the team though think he could break into the team mid season. Has very good accuracy with his feet thats for sure!

TelescopicCox

Good to be back! This is my current V1 side:

B – Lloyd, Laird, Williams, Witherden, Gould, Jones (Fyfe, Borlase)
M – Neale, Oliver, Adams, Walsh, Rowell, Hately, Phillips, Powell (Davies, Valente, Carroll)
R – Grundy, Preuss (Treacy)
F – Dunkley, Marshall, Heeney, Perkins, B.Campbell, Row (Cokatoo, F.Macrae)
31k bank

Players who I’m 50/50 on: Witherden, Rowell, Hately, Heeney

LLoyd just made the final cut by dropping Sidebottom to Heeney, as I’m not 100% on whether Sidey will be a full time mid, and could drop to low 500K, whereas Lloyd is a set & forget defender

Tear it apart community!

JohnDJ59

First off, I do like your side Barron, I did have Preuss at R2 for a while and my fwd line looked a whole lot better, but I’ve gone back to the Gawn/Grundy combo, which is why my fwd line looks terrible again, but that is the trade off I guess. I have held back 252k for now in case one of my young guns in the midfield needs to be replaced, Merrett would be the one I would be looking at to come in. So my side is. DEF: Lloyd, Laird, Stewart, Scrimshaw, Jones, Gould. (Wehr, Chugg). MIDS: Neale Oliver, Walsh, Rowell, Serong, Green, Campbell, Powell. (Valente, Mead, Berry). RUCKS: Gawn, Grundy. (Treacy). FWDS: Heeney, Rozee, Ziebell, Macrae, Cockatoo, Rowe. (Durdin, Laurie).

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TelescopicCox

I like the risks you have taken throughout. Dependent on rookies, you could move a Scrimshaw or Serong down to a rookie and grab an extra FWD premo. Love the Rozee pick…he’s on my watchlist

JohnDJ59

Thanks for the positive feedback, I always have trouble getting my fwd line right, probably because it’s the last line I put together. I’ve tried to keep the amount of rookies on field to a minimum, since we really don’t know if they will be playing in round one. If some of my bench players (Valente, Mead) are there in round one, I would look at replacing Serong, since even though I like him as a player, will he keep getting the mid time he was getting at the end of last season.

JohnDJ59

Team update. Decided to spend the cash I had left over. Out of the team are Serong, Powell, Heeney. Into the team are Merrett, Downie, Marshall. Mead moves onfield in place of Powell and Downie comes into the mid bench. Merrett replaces Serong in the mids and Marshall replaces Heeney as my top fwd. Felt I needed a extra premo in the mids and cover for Gawn and Grundy. $500.00 left in the bank, so just about maxed out.

Russty_

I like it john, Marshall is a lock I reckon..gotta have him but not Heeney if he ain’t right yet, Serong/Cerra both did well last year but are speculative , maybe not keepers..at least you know Merrett is.

Russty_

Hey John have you checked out Caldwell’s highlight reels?..he looks like a smooth moving powerful player kinda like Josh Kelly…I’d be tempted to go him over Rozee, I still have a bad taste in my mouth from all the 30’s and 50’s Rozee dropped on us last year.

JohnDJ59

Hi Russty, yes I know what you mean about Rozze, I suffered the same fate, but I cut my losses early, after round four I think it was, before he did too much damage. That was one thing about the extra trades last year, we were able to do that type of trade. I did have Caldwell in my fwd line a few times when I was looking at it. It all depends on who out of those two will be in the guts and not stuck in the fwd half.

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Russty_

Yeah I hear ya, I guess we won’t know that until it’s too late haha, Caldwell does look good though.

JohnDJ59

You could be right there Russty, lets just hope they both play in the pre-season games and we are able to get an idea of where they might play in the main season.

Jake

Caldwell has been training as an inside mid most of this pre season so will spend a chunk of his time there

JohnDJ59

Hi Jake, that sounds promising then as far as Caldwell goes.

David

Crikey Barron you must have 600k or 700k left over
Only 10 keepers to start damn thats risky

Jess

Hi guys. Please rate my initial team.

Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Jones, Bianco, Gould (Wehr, Highmore)

Neale, Oliver, Kelly, Walsh, Cripps, Phillips, Powell, Valente (Mead, Collier-Dawkins, Mcinnes)

Gawn, Grundy (Treacy)

Danger, Marshall, Brown, Ziebell,Macrae, Cockatoo (Smith, Rowe)

Bit of cash left over and haven’t stretched to fit that other premium in yet this year, but – all things considered – im confident with all my picks. My biggest three risks are Walsh (hoping for 110-115), Brown
(hoping for 80-85) and Ziebell (hoping for 85 odd). If that happens I’m set. Giving Kelly the benefit of the doubt for now but will trade the second he gets injured as to maintain a close to 120 average regardless. Just couldn’t leave gawn/grundy out considering their SP in comparison to any midfielders. Consider it heavy guns and rookies and thats the obly way id ever have it. Thoughts please?

Jess

Also my thoughts on Rowell are that he will most likely be the best footballer there has been. However, he is still essentially not far from a first year player, and for that reason theres a risk he won’t even average 100, let alone the 110 we need from him at that price. Also question marks over him being mothballed to prolong career. Big prefer to watch for me.

JohnDJ59

Hi Jess, at this time of the season it is hard to fault any team and overall it looks alright. My main concern, which you have already touched on is Kelly, I just don’t pick players that have a injury history, since trades are so important. Why not just get Merrett for around the same price. The other premo pick I don’t like is Cripps, I know he is a value play, but he was just too up and down last season. On a positive note, I like your back three and the Gawn/Grundy ruck combo, set and forget.

Jess

Thanks john. I am very bullish on cripps returning to his 115-120 average. Not a shadow of a doubt that he’ll average over 110. Have always thought people have been too soon to rule out players with an injury history, and are giving kelly a shot. He had a concussion last year but was coming good in regards to actual injuries. He will push 120 and all it takes is a trade if he gets injured and I’ll still be getting the maximum amoubt of overall points for ny side. Im willing to blow a trade but like i said are backing him in to stay fit, which isn’t as much of an ask as people think. Plus 10
ave player on merrett imo. Moreover, there is a lack of reliable midfielders this year, so i wonder what other midfielders would have the potential for a 120 average. I wonder who your starting mids are?

JohnDJ59

Hi Jess, fair enough, you are backing yourself regarding Kelly and Cripps. I was just looking at how you could improve your team. I would be having Bont and Merrett ahead of those two, both should range between 110-120.

Nath

Brown might be having knee surgery. No dice otherwise not bad mate

Jake

Brown is booked in for knee surgery
Another fwd risk could be daniher? With Brisbane #1 with inside 50s he would have alot of chances to score points

Choppers

Struggling with my forward line, like a lot of other teams I’ve seen but here goes.
DEF: Whitfield Stewart Witherden Milera Gould Wehr (Highmore Chugg)
MID: Neale Merrett Laird Martin Simpkin Rowell Macrae Valente (Cockatoo Berry Downie)
RUC: Gawn Grundy (Treacy)
FWD: Marshall Bolton Ziebell Daniher Impey Rowe (Fullarton Durdin)
$$29,500 left with Laird and Dusty in the mids to go to their respective def and fwd positons when upgrading.

Shaun

Hey guy’s any league’s out there to join.

Russty_

There will be plenty Shaun, it might be a bit early yet.

Shaun

No worries mate thanks for the reply.

Kat

What are people’s thoughts on Jack Steele this year. I haven’t seen him mentioned much or in peoples teams

Shaun

He is a gun mate hard footballer will only get better in my opinion .has a all round game and is hitting his prime get on i say.

Russty_

I’m starting him Kat, I think a lot of peeps think he won’t be able to back up last year but I reckon he’s just getting started, he was wasted for a few years as a tagger, now he’s able to fly.

Matt

Baileys Blues

Matt

Bailey’sBlues

Matt

Happy for feedback

Backs

Lloyd laird Whitfield Williams Milera Jones
Bench Gould / Chugg

Mids

Neale Oliver Kelly Cripps Rowell Phillips pedlar Powell
Bench valente Mcinnes’s Downiest

Rucks
Gawn preuss treacy

Fwd

Sidebottom Heeney Daniher ziebell kelly cockatoo
Bench Rowe smith

Russty_

Pretty solid I think Matt..not sure if Heeney will get up for round 1 yet, how much dosh left?..can you fit Marshall in? Reckon I’ll also go for Ziebell and Daniher ..Brown is having knee issues again so he’s out of the running.

Derek

Back line is similar to mine, going deep in defence. I had Witherden at D5 but might look at Milera.

dontblushbaby

Balta over Milera imo

Kevin

DEF: Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Williams, Jones, Wehr (Gould, Laurie)
MID: Neale, Oliver, Walsh, Rowell, Hately, Phillips, Macrae, Downie (Durdin, Gulden, RCD)
RUC: Gawn, Grundy (Treacy)
FWD: Dunkley, Marshall, Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, Rowe (Cockatoo, Ford)
50.8k left in the bank
Pretty happy with this team so far. Rolling with a mostly guns n rookies setup. Not too sure on the D4 spot right now, but could downgrade Williams if any defender rookies come through and upgrade Hately to a premo.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

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Jono

G’day lads, my current side for 2021 SC is this;

DEF: Lloyd, Whitfield, Stewart, Denver, Jones and Gould. (Wehr & Highmore)

MID: Neale, Steele, Oliver, Taranto, Prestia, Phillips, Cockatoo and S.Berry. (Downie, Spicer & Davies)

RUC: Gawn and Grundy (Treacy)

FWD: Dunkley, Marshall, Dusty, Campbell, E.Smith and Rowe. (Durdin & Poulter)

21,300k in the bank

Cheers Jono

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David C

Prestia will miss too many games to start him.

Jono

Well who would you go around that price then?

Russty_

Hey Jono, maybe consider Cunnington, not sure if Prestia’s a keeper but cunners could be, there’s also Brad Crouch or Daicos a possible breakout. You think Denver starts round1?..I’m thinking of starting him too if he has job security.

Jono

I don’t really want two Saints in the mids, Crouch misses the first two rds. Cunners is injury prone. I’ve also made slight change; Oliver and Taranto out Laird and Rowell in thoughts? 71.8k in the bank

David C

Hi Jono, Cunnington and Daicos are two that are already mentioned by Rusty … Daicos is young so probably a safer bet injury wise. Cunnington could be spending a fair bit of time forward this year so watch preseason (what little there is of it). Taranto is another but you already have him. I notice you don’t have Rowell who costs a little more if you can find the $.

Jono

G’day David, read my message above haha. I’ve squeezed in Rowell.

Cheers Jono

Derek

Rowell in for Prestia is nice.

I’m not 100% on Rowell is a keeper.

You could consider Heaney if you think he is over his foot injury (swing Dusty to mid)

Derek

Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Blicavs, Milera, Jones (Wehr, Chugg)

The first 3 pick themselves. I did think about Lloyd’s price-tag, but last year i started with him for the first time and it was a nice feeling. Blicavs is my POD in 2% of teams, was one of the few players last year who had less TOG but increased their SC score (Laird was one of the others). The longer quarters this year will suite him. I’ve opted for Milera ahead of Williams, Not convinced that Williams has the tank for the midfield. Milera $140k cheaper and i can easy go down to a rookie like Gould if he gets a game round 1. Lukosious at $430k is on my watchlist as well as Witherden.

Neale, Oliver, Adams, Cripps, Rowell, Phillips, Powell, Mead (Davis, Bianco, Carroll)

Originally didn’t have Neale because of his price tag, needed a replacement for Titch was obvious choice. His TOG will fall and so will his price, but need him in team early for points. Adams has been in and out but the no Trelor factor is real and he is worth an M3 spot, best of the ones at his price. Cripps is a fallen premium who played injured most of last year, at his best he is a top 5 mid. Rowell should be in everyone’s team. I’m looking at the two norf boys as the expensive rookies as they seem to be in everyone’s teams for now. I’m not looking at any mid-price midfielders besides Rowell. Cunnington at $440k is worth a look, maybe.

Grundy, Hickey (Tracey)

Grundy wasn’t at his best last year but still averaged 121. seriously. gawn had a 9% jump in his SC score but also had a 9% increase in his TOG. He won’t be playing 93% TOG this year and will be a nice upgrade target. I’m on Hickey at the moment at R2 just ahead of Pruess, because he is $42k cheaper and his first 6 games are very soft (Preuss has both Gawn and Grundy early). If Hickey is the #1 ruck at swans he is in my team.

Dunkley, Marshall, Ziebell, Daniher, Impey, Cockatoo (Rowe, Laurie)

Dunkley is in the crowded midfield at the bulldogs and time will tell if he gets the midfield minutes. My thinking he will and Macrea and Bont miss out. Marshall for his DPP and has the injury prone Ryder in his team. Ziebell, Daniher and Impey are just above rookie priced and could give a better than rookie score before being upgraded. Danger and Dusty are upgrade targets, hoping their price will fall. Heeney needs to show he is fully over his ankle injury. Tom Phillips is on my watch list with Smith and Scully leaving. JCameron also interests me, but i heard he has some hammy problems. Rozee and Butters are not cheap enough to be cash-generator and not good enough to be keeper/premiums. I’m not touching Buddy, Daniher will be stressful enough.

Russty_

Nice work Derek, Blics is an interesting choice, I read he’ll likely be exclusively in defence this year, not sure if that makes his score go up or down from when he was all over the ground and helping out in the ruck. Hickey could be a nice choice if Naismith and Sinclair aren’t there, pretty risky though…I think I’m gutting out of the Preuss option…too much residual trauma from last year not starting the 2 G’s.

demonsdelight

Thinking he same about blics mate His DPP could be super useful with Laird. Definitely set and forget Grawndy and Seagull .Too hard to get back in .Once bitten for me NDD

Rick Grimes

Thoughts on NicNat? Super strong finish to 2020. As far as I know he’s fit to go this year.

dontblushbaby

Yeah Rick, I’ve been interested for awhile , this could be the season that he dominates @ 594k could be huge value

Russty_

How’s it goin lads, yeah I was thinking about Nicnat this year for sure, can he average 120 or over though cause Grundy will. 54 grand difference..it’s easy enough to just trade one of our expensive rookies in for a cheaper one to afford Grundy so I guess that’s my play, I was gonna go with Gawn and Preuss but then I think back to last year and the saga of Jacobs/Naismith, Pittonet etc LOL think I wasted about 8 trades on Rucks.

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David

You just hold them for too long Russty like a greedy share trader who wants the extra $2 so still holds after the first 1% drop.
Pittonett was brilliant in 2020, if you sold him before round 6 like the unwritten rules suggest. At that stage he ave 112 and had increased 200k

Derek

NicNat is an interesting one. For him it is all about TOG.

last season he increased his TOG by 23% and his SC score increased by 26%.

Obviously the shorter quarters helped him last year, as the actual total minutes on the ground for him stayed exactly the same, but his TOG % increased as a result of the shorter quarters.

David

Great question Rick. He’s the best ruck in the comp (dd may disagree but he doesn’t look at stats) and his only weakness is his durability.
If we could be guaranteed that every player will play every game he would be R1 in each of the top 200 teams at the end of the year

keenbutclueless

There is a month to go, so time enough for some random musings. Thought I would do a little investigation on the midfielders.
Some interesting results:
Derek posted recently that he thought 2020 averages were inflated.
in 2020 15 midfielders bettered 110 average (14 plus Petracca)
in 2019 it was 6, 2018 it was 6 and in 2017 only 4.
the 10th best midfielder in 2020 averaged 113.53. in 2019 it was 107.74, in 2018 it was 106.2, and in 2017 it was 107.50
For 2020 there were 4 new faces in the top 10. In 2019 there were 3 new faces, and in 2018 there were 5. An average of 4 new faces a year.
Across the last 4 years, only 4 players have been top 10 each year – Neale, Kelly Danger and Oliver. Macrae and Bont have been top 10 the last 3 years, and Titch and Zerrett have also been top 10 for 3 of those 4 years.
So what it does it mean? I guess like all statistics you can read into it what you want. For me, the outcomes were:
It is quite reasonable to conclude that averages were inflated by 5-8% last year – maybe through scaling from shorter quarters.
We are probably paying overs for most premium midfielders. However, this begs the question that if everyone’s averages are potentially inflated, are we really paying overs???
From this year’s midfielders – Neale and Oliver are Supercoach rolled gold. Kelly would be too if we could trust him to play 22 games.
It is not unreasonable to think that there will be 4-5 new faces in the top 10 this year. (The extra one being for Danger moving into the fwds)
Whilst there have been the occasional surprise in the top 10 – 2017 Adams, 2018 Gaff, Duncan, 2019 Boak – 2020 with Steele, Hunter and Petracca (counted him as a midfielder for these purposes) was probably the most exceptional in bringing in surprising new blood.
Without taking the same analysis to other positions, it is probably fair to assume that Gawn and Lloyd are probably over-valued too.
so……
There is still only 3300 points per game – so if the top echelon have been pushed up by scaling, which scores have gone backwards as a result? If it was just rookies because they weren’t scaled as much, then it probably means nothing to us this year. If it was players one level below the top echelon starting to push through, then maybe hunting for value there is not such a bad idea.
I have also been considering the rule changes, and who will benefit and who will lose
Reduced interchanges – I think we will see more rotations through the midfield and genuine midfielders resting more in attack. Goalkicking midfielders will benefit, i think. I am classifying Petracca, Bont and Cripps firmly there. Steele and Kelly probably next best. I wonder if also means that there is less room for rookies this year as its more difficult to ease them into games. We seem to have a promising crop, and we have all crafted glorious G&R sides accordingly, but I am looking at Plan C and D if they don’t appear. God help us if we are forced to have a forward line that has more than one of Brown, Ziebell, Daniher and Impey.
Those with genuine tanks might benefit – Phillips, Gaff, Walsh and Sidebottom come to mind. I am not sure about guys like Brayshaw with his under-par time on ground, whether making him rest forward will help him, or whether he will run out of juice in the last quarter.
The rucks are interesting. Less interchanges may mean lone wolf rucks who can go all day will hold their score, whilst those who interchange may find they are sharing duties with a part-timer. I wouldnt be surprised if Gawn and Grundy go back a bit this year, and someone like ROB improves. Goldy may be closer to the top 2 this year. If there is more of a flowing game because of less interchanges, maybe there will be less ball ups, but I think there might be more boundary throw ins and centre bounce action from more goals. To me, calling the rucks this year is tough. I understand the set and forget strategy, but to me there are so many unknowns that i am not as convinced. Like many, Grundy is in my side, although without certainty. I think many of us have thought that his well-documented distaste of the hub environment was the cause of his decline. I guess that presumes we won’t have hubs this year??? Anyone still convinced of that? Also, as a Collingwood man, i have felt that other sides have been working him out. his dominance never fully translated to clearances or full advantage for the side. He’s still a question mark for me.
the new kick in rule will benefit a few, but I think the big benefit already happened, and this will only be marginal. But I do think that a couple could still improve in Maynard and Lukosius. (Lukosius actually interests me – funny how he was on everyone’s list for 2021 late last season and is not showing in any teams so far! – but there are just so many solid options that will average 100+ and with Williams presenting as a strong D4 option, that I probably wont pick him)
Following through with all these rambling thoughts have left me with a side that doesn’t include Gawn, Neale or Lloyd. By ruling out players over 28, I have left out Gaff, Sidebottom, Danger and Martin. I have looked at players I think that are slightly under-valued, or fairly valued. As such, my team is so scary I am not going to post it because if I can’t bear the sight of it, and I am not sure I could leave it like it is come Round 1, its unfair to ask for criticism or comment yet.

Good luck to everyone for the season

Russty_

Brilliant stuff Keen, I was considering Lukosious as I had him last year for awhile, it’s his last 3 scores I reckon might be turning people off, I’d prefer Coffield for a similar price this year but alas can’t afford him with my current structure, gotta say, you’re a braver man than me leaving out Gawn Neale and Lloyd, huge call and could be huge points missed out on there.
Thanks for an entertaining read mate and good luck for the season.

Derek

i started and ended the season with Lukosious, loved him. He just ran out of puff the last few games and was giving away 4 or 5 free kicks. He is priced well, but i think the short quarters was good for him last season, unless he has increased his tank, not sure he will be consistent enough to pay over $400k

Russty_

Very talented player though, he’ll no doubt be a star of the game.

Derek

great stuff keen.

i’ve been thinking about the TOG with shorter quarters last year quite a bit; my thoughts are some of the established players definitely got a bump in SC scores based on the increased TOG%. NicNat, Neale, Gawn, Wingard, Ryan, Dusty, Merrett, Adams, Hawkins.

There were other players who got a bump because of TOG, but the SC score increased more than the TOG increase, due to ability, roll change; Short, O’Brien, Macdonald, Mills, Haynes, Steele

There was also a select few that had less TOG% and their SC scores went up; Blicavs, Laird, Boak, Billings, Maynard

I think it was the rookies who paid the price last year, they were given much less opportunity as a group, and i think this will continue this year with less interchange.

Derek

this is GOLD

in 2020 15 midfielders bettered 110 average (14 plus Petracca)
in 2019 it was 6, 2018 it was 6 and in 2017 only 4.
the 10th best midfielder in 2020 averaged 113.53. in 2019 it was 107.74, in 2018 it was 106.2, and in 2017 it was 107.50

David

Agree with everything except Impey.
Lockdown fwd who has never averaged over 74 and only ever topped 100 four times in 7 years but has managed to go sub 50 a ridiculous 39 times and scored 50-60 an equally ridicululous 18 times.
That equals 57 scores below 60 in 118 games. So, almost half his scores are lower than the average fwd rookie
He’s more likely to lose cash than any player priced under 300k

Derek

Impetus averaged 68 and 74 in 2018 and 2019.

That is about what I’d expect from him.

In hawks best 22 and 70ish from a $212k player. Let me know who else?

David

Derek mate 70-ish ave from Impey is a pipedream. Yes he managed to get to 70-SC 10 times in his best ever year (2019) but he also pumped out a 19,44,54,58,63,65 and he missed 5 games, that was his best year ever!
He’s 212k which is probably under priced he could potentially be worth 260k
Why would you spend 212k on a guy who has a 7 years history that identifies that he is more likely to score sub-50 than he is to score 70-ish?
I’m glad that you mentioned his 2nd best year ever (2018) when he ave 68 because that is the only year that he played every game and the 2nd time he played more than 19 games

Derek

Sam Mitchell was interviews on Hawk TV and said Impey will be playing defender this year. They are looking for him to run and take the game on out of the backline

David

You’re obviously a hawks fan Derek and you like Impey, I like him too but I wouldn’t put him my SC side unless he was priced at 123k or less. At 212k he might increase in value by 80k by round 17 but that isnt enough. Statistically he is just as likely to score 3 sub-50’s and then get injured as he is to score 3 plus 70’s and play more than 17 games
In his 2nd best year ever (2018) when he ave a massive 68 he played 4 games running the ball off half back and his scores were a super impressive (for him) 63,46,68 and 41 in the QF to ave 54 in the role
In 2019 he played that role 12 times he pumped out some huge scores including the 4th ton of his 7 years career 72,44,72,54,63,84,99,98,117,90,65,19 to ave 73 in role
The 117 was against eagles and even Hardwick managed 80 that day
The 99 was against Melbourne who have had the worst defensive forwards in AFL for almost a decade
The 98 was against the Bombers when hawks lost! FFS they lost to Bombers in 2019! That day 20+ of Impeys points came after scaling, that sort of thing happens when two teams can’t generate the required 3300 points between them so probably not an overly impressive game from Jarman he just benefitted from 2 rubbish teams butchering the ball all day.
If you want a cheap hawk for your bench (I expect that was where you intended to play Impey) why not get Kozi? he has some line flexibility and has been doing very well across halfback at training this year

Blueprime

First draft. Comments appreciated. 99200 cap remaining. Lloyd Whitfield Williams Witherden Wehr Gould Bianco Chugg Neale Oliver Mitchell Cripps Rowell Hately W Phillips Powell Macrae Cockatoo Valente Gawn Preuss Treacy Martin Heeney Rozee Daniher W Kelly Rowe Laurie E Smith Cheers and good luck to everyone this season.

Derek

I was super keen on Titch, but he seems to be having some shoulder issues.

Rozee is high risk. Don’t see him being near the top 10 forwards, and won’t make much cash at that price

David

Too many rookies on field and not enough Sam walsh’s

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David

This is great and should have been published as an article instead of a comment.
My initial thought is “Maybe the scaling happened because the reduced game time didn’t allow suffficient point scoring actions to accumulate the required 3300 points?”
I also cannot understand the love for Impey he costs 200k+ and will only score as much as an average rookie. I’m not saying that he isn’t a very good footballer and far better than the average rookie; what I’m saying is “his value to the team is his ability to negate those sneaky little goal kicking small forwards”.

Matt R

V1 of my team and keen to get some feedback.

B: Lloyd, Laird, Witherden, Milera, G-Barras, Jones
M: Neale, Oliver, Merrett, T.Adams, Cripps, J.Clark, Campbell, Powell
R: Grundy, Pruess
F: Sidebottom, Dunkley, Caldwell, Ziebell, Perkins, Cockatoo

Cash to spare: $53k

Derek

You have 11 starting keepers, might be one short. i guess you are hoping one of Witherden, Caldwell or Ziebell are season keepers.

David

A lot of astute selections Matt but a few that have been made without any research whatsoever.
340k+ for a mid/fwd who will be a tagger is a waste

Matt Robison

Thanks David, are you referring to Caldwell?…

David

You are a very intuitive individual Matt. Caldwell is a very good tagger but he’s not as good as an Ed Curnow type tagger yet. I reckon that he will be though and regularly ave 100 whilst shutting down some huge names, it just wont happen in 2021

Sam

Hi guys,

Please provide feedback on current team.

Def: Lloyd, Whitfield, Mills, Williams, L. Young, Laurie (Sharp, Wehr)

Mid: Neale, Steele, Oliver, Cripps, Rowell, Phillips, Powell, F. Macrae (Valente, Collier-Dawkins, McInnes)

R: Gawn, Preuss (Treacy)

Fwd: Marshall, Martin, Caldwell, Daniher, Cockatoo, E. Smith (Rowe, Ford)

Derek

Did you see the article today about Mills spending more time in the midfield?

He might this year, i’m hoping he does because that is where is belongs. plus it will give Gould a better chance of getting a game.

he is already pretty expensive after his 101 average last year. Big POD and i don’t think he will let you down.

Russty_

And that 101 was from 15% midtime, wonder what he could do if he’s mostly mid.

Sam

Yeah, he’ll be an interesting POD this year that’s for sure. Will be a sneaky one for sure. He’s pricy, but if he moves to the mid he could even challenge Lloyd for the most points for a defender (I can only hope!).

Thanks guys.

David

Not a fan of it Sam.
I like Lloyd,Mills,Williams, Neale,Oliver, Cripps, Rowell, Phillips, Gawn, Preuss, Marshall, Martin & Daniher but the rest look like mistakes

Sam

So seems like I got a lot right David!
So are you hinting you don’t like Whitfield, Steele, and Caldwell? I’m definitely reconsidering Whitfield given the latest news, but why aren’t you a fan of the other 2?

David

I love whitfield Sam (but not in an Oxford St way) sadly he has injured the 2nd most import organ in the human body and that scares me off starting hjim
I had Steele all year in 2020 and felt rather smug about it but this year I’m not so sure about starting him, I can’t give a valid reason why its just a feeling. Maybe its because Paddy makes a massive difference to a midfielders output he’s the best tap ruck since Polly Farmer and if he isn’t 100% at the start steele will suffer.
Caldwell? Well I’ve convinced myself that bombers got him for his tagging skills and he wont ave above 75.
They’re only opinions and opinions are more common and less valuable than feral animals in the Australian bush

JohnDJ59

Hey Derek and Russty, I am looking at either Whitfield D3 and Serong M5 or Merrett M3 and Scrimshaw D4. What do you think is the better combo. It was really just a Whitfield v Merrett, but then I thought I should add what happens when a decision is made between the two.

Russty_

Hey John just got in from working all day, I’d probably opt for Whitfield and Serong because Whitfield can average 110 although he dropped back a bit last year, but for Serong to average 80 odd in his first year is pretty darn good and he’ll only get better if he stays in the mids. Scrimshaw’s also probs gonna have a decent year, he lifted his average 10 points last year to 74 but he is a defender, Whitfield and Serong is like getting 2 mids but is serong a keeper or a stepping stone player for you?

JohnDJ59

Hi Russty, the Whitfield/Serong combo is the one I was favoring as well, I just hadn’t made the changes yet. As you know Serong was in my original side, then I replaced him with Merrett, so would be partly going back to the start again. I do find some years that the team you start with, no matter how many times you change it, is the one you keep coming back to. As for Serong, he will be a stepping stone, until he isn’t.

Russty_

Hey John have you considered Taranto over Serong?..averaged 102 in 2019…has the nice bye round adds another playing in round 14. Could be a keeper.

Derek

i’d consider Taranto over Serong

JohnDJ59

I don’t mind Taranto, but I already have Green and you know my policy.

Russty_

Hey mate…I reckon you could do a policy adjustment if one of the two is to be a keeper and the other one was to be moved on to an upgrade target down the track.

Derek

Whitfield was either my first or second picked this year. Back to the longer quarters he will improve 10pts

M5 for me is usually a keeper. A fallen premium type. I have Rowell there now, but could easy become a TKelly.

Limited trades I think we need 12 keepers in starting side, durability also needs to be factored.

If you have Serrong at M5, are you stronger on other lines?

Someone at hawthorn will get Sicily’s intercepting role. Scrimshaw seemed to be the one at the end of last year to do that and he finished season strong.

Merrett will be good. Playing on the wing is my only concern, there are some games where the ball doesn’t come his way and he can have a low score. If he was 100% midfield he would be locked.

My pick would be Whitfield and Scrimshaw. But I personally havnt given scrimshaw a thought.

Derek

I know it wasn’t the combo you asked for.

Whitfield is lock. But I’d find a bit extra cash to go a keeper at M5 unless you are stronger elsewhere

Russty_

Hey Derek…do you think Grainger Barass gets a regular spot in the side from round 1?

Derek

as a hawk supporter i’m pretty happy he is at the club. Sicily mk2.

Stratton retirement and Sicily injury makes a place in the team available. At 6’4′ he could get Sicily’s role (but i think that might be Scrimshaw’s), if he gets Strattons lock-down role i can’t see him scoring too high.

His games in the WAFL last year he wasn’t a big fantasy scorer.

I think he will play early, even round 1. But $184k, not for me.

Russty_

Cheers for the info mate.

David

What about Kozi derek? I heard that he is flying so far and set to replace that flog sicily until he returns then he will be sent forward to replace/assist Gunston.
I heard it from a bloke who reckons he used to supply hawks with sticky hands stuff in the Dunstall era but, he loves a beer and had consumed several when he shared this wisdom.
Is Gunston still a player on hawks list?

JohnDJ59

Thanks Derek, so Whitfied it is then and I need to have a think about Serong. My first 4 in def will be Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Stewart, which is my strongest line, since they pick themselves and the other lines are a bit up in the air.

demonsdelight

Have you considered Luke MacDonald John .cheaper and in an up and coming team ? NDD

JohnDJ59

I liked the way McDonald’s second half went last season, but I can’t put him ahead of the other four.

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David

Nice advice dd. John is obviously a fellow Melbourne aristocrat coz you rich blokes don’t like sharing valuable info with the common man.

Josh

$100 cash league, email [email protected] for details

Russty_

Hey guys does anyone know much about Nik Cox?..looks a great young player, kicks equally well off both feet, very tall but also very skinny.
Wondering what his chances are of starting round 1 and keeping a spot. Cheers.

demonsdelight

Not on my radar mate IS he DPP?

Russty_

Yes mate and a handy def/fwd

David

Fisher McAsey 2.0
I think i misspelled the name but I mean the Def/Fwd at Crows. Great player but due to physical stature Cox might struggle to survive 10+ games this year

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FearTheBeard

Can’t believe that time of year is here again!

Hope you all had a great Christmas ladies & gents!

First crack. Let it rip.

Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Z Wil, Chapman, Gould (Laurie,Highmore)

Neale, Walsh, Cripps, Rowell, Philips, Powell, Valente, Davies/Mead/McInnes/Downie

Gawn, Preuss, Treacey

Danger, Sidebottom, Marshall, Dusty, Rowe, Cocka/Durdin/Macrae

Toying with cutting either 1 defender or Sidebottom. Going heavier in the Mid’s. Possible could move one of them up and drop a rookie into the forward line etc still.

Also toying with Grundy back in. Just pies I see slipping this year.

demonsdelight

Hi FB great to see you back again I have a similar problem,one short in the mids. I would cull a fwd good luck NDD

Russty_

Hey Beardy good to see ya, nice side, I reckon you could afford to go one less premo in the fwd and add 1 to the mids, also Whitfield has had a bit of a setback with a bruised liver injury.

David

Way too many midfield rookies.
Danger is seriously broken, broken enough to fly interstate twice a week for treatment

TRIGGA HAPPY

Fire sale – Nothing over $500k.
Back – Witherden, Williams, Duggan, Lukosuis, Rich, Milera. (Grainger, Jones)
Mid – Tarranto, Serong, Simpkin, Rowell, Smith, O’Meara, Cerra, Caldwell (Powell, Macrae, Stephens)
Ruck – Preuss, Hickey (Treacy)
Fwd – Ryan, Heeney, Butters, Ziebell, Impey, Daniher (Cockatoo, Rowe)

demonsdelight

congrats on BBL final win bud just too good NDD

TRIGGA HAPPY

That bbl comes down to pure luck. Marsh made some runs others didn’t get to bat, capt Marnus out early. Pure luck

demonsdelight

Toss of the coin whether i pick him Benched him and bancroft and hardie all scored 80 plus.. pure luck is right but credit where it’s due mate

demonsdelight

Just an end of season follow up on BBL Trigg -i somehow finished 299th and was in 7 out of 8 grannies losing the lot one to your good self BBL is a good space filler that impinges on the real stuff and luck is huge In the grannies we all only have 1 or 2 different .All my oponents wisely chose perth players marsh and bancroft ,i chose heazlop and PIERSON .too much rain affected results x factor subs and early ducks.At least in AFL you get a second go if you give 50 meters early Great to play yourself and Gator though keeps the interest there especially when you’re having a real crack and giving competition weekly Thanks for joining my league at short notice and maybe i can even up next year, who knows NDD

Russty_

Well done on the ranking mate, that’s really good, bit of a bummer losing all your GF’s but hey at least you got there.

demonsdelight

funny thing is I had 3 perth bench players all scoring 80’s. Recon when it gets down to 2 teams you have to choose a team i TRIED A BIT OF BOTH AND HAD MY bowlers against my batters Of course i could have gone all heat players and scored super bad . Not a great format for supercoach though mate and Trigg and Gat added a bit of spice and chat wonder how the old fella is getting on with re reno. good luck champ

Russty_

Nice cheapy team there Trigga…I dare ya to run with it haha

David

Duggan & Witherden. obviously you don’t think Barass or Hurn are going to get a kick this year 🙂
I don’t mean to be insulting but Impey is a stupid selection, please look at his career stats

TRIGGA HAPPY

Duggan I reckon will push further up the ground or into the midfield as YEO still missing. From rd 9 when changed role and moved further up ground – 115,102, 51, 117, 102,117,84,97,80. Reckon I would take that from a $450k defender.
Witherden – specifically targeted by eagles. Will play, can score when plays just lacked opportunity at the lions. 170 against bombers in rd 9 – high ceiling.
Impey – for $200k happy to roll the dice on a player that is best 22. if ignore 2020 as was injured his 2019 was ok. sure a couple of low scores but also in a row 99,86,82,82,58,98,75,117,90 – if he gets somewhere near that be a nice little money maker.

tommyc99

Hey guys, would love your thoughts on Matt Crouch. Always flies under the radar and generally pretty consistent. I guess the knock on him is that he’s never gone on to average that 115+ that makes you an uber premo. Thoughts?

JohnDJ59

I like him, he came back fairly well in the second half last year. I was looking at him as my M3, but currently I can’t afford him.

Derek

Definitely thought about him, but like Adams at M3 slightly better

David

Great point Derek, out of the 2 you’d have to go with Taylor

Derek

I don’t think he is training with main group yet, will have a limited preseason

He usually has low TOG. Pre season injury and less interchange might hurt

David

My only negative thought about him is that he has only ever managed to play the one full season in 7 years Tommy. Apart from that he is an exceptional footballer who would be a regularly interviewed and always talked about celebrity if he played for Bombers or Pies.
Very strong chance of him averaging 120+ this year if laird and hately don’t both go 110.

The Ranger

Evening all, bit slow to get started this year but here’s my first draft…
Laird Howe Williams + rookies
Neale Steele Oliver Rowell Walsh + rookies
Gawn Preuss + some other bloke
Sidey Marshall Dusty Rozee + rookies
Not overly convinced by my fwd or def lines but I like the five ball pigs in the middle.

demonsdelight

Welcome back Ranger one of the few teams with a strong forward line but at an expense of set/forget rucks,hmmm NDD

The Ranger

I always think it’s a good idea to go to F4 if possible cos those rookie small fwds are the ones that give you 30’s and 40’s. Hard to go past the value that Preuss offers but I may well end up with Grawndy again come the start of the season.

Derek

Keep an eye on Howe. Not sure he is training fully

David

I like this team except Howe and rozee.
What is the ave drop in SC output for players in first year back from Knee reco? I think its about 30pts p/game for prems like Doch. Howe is heavily reliant on marking and pack marks are the element that suffers most for reco returners.
Rozee is a genuine gun with a sharp footy brain but his engine comes from a 1960 mini cooper. I just don’t think that he’ll get the opportunity to increase his scores by more than 10 this year.
It’s only an opinion but it it based on research and analysis.

David

Draper, Ridley and Merrett are the only Bombers I’m considering all of the rest of them are very ordinary for SC.
Draper is a massive risk with a massive upside. I know that he’s only played 8 games but they were all good games except his last against Max.
He’s only young but he’s a real competitive animal who hates losing a contest more than Collingwood hate non-whites.
Lets look at his 8 games
1st game V.Brisbane shared the ruck with TBC against the big O and put up an impressive 78 in a team that was beaten by 10 goals+. 77% TOG
2nd Game shared ruck with McKernan against a rampaging Mummy and scored 74 from 83% TOG
3rd game had an impressive 22 hitouts against Ryder (one of the greatest tap rucks to ever play the game) and Marshall in a game where his teams score was doubled only 63 SC from 84% TOG but it was only his 3rd game and it was against the best dual ruck combo in the competition
4th game He showed what he’s got on the ground scoring an impressive 122 from only 14 hitouts and 77% TOG also had a team 2nd high 8 CP, against the tigers when sharing Ruck with TBC.
5th Game 17 hitouts against the bloke who most experts consider to be the clear #1 ruck in the comp NicNat only scored 64 but was probably a bit tired from the previous weeks efforts and nobody can beat a fit and firing NicNat. 84% TOG
6th game he was clearly starting to run out of gas but he still managed to have more hitouts than all 3 geelong rucks combined and scored a serviceable 74 from 80% TOG
7th game he shared the ruck equally with Philips (leagues #1 HTA ruck for 2 years) against Lycett & Adams. Port almost quadrupled the bombers score that day but Draper still managed 19 hitouts and 61 SC from only 74% game time.
8th game V. Demons the poor kid was cooked before it started but still managed 13 hitouts to maxs 26 and stayed on the Park for 85% of the game
No these are not stellar numbers for a first year player (ave 70) but they are outstanding numbers for a 1st year ruck.
NicNat ave 57 his 1st year and 71 2nd year then 94 and then 114
Gawn ave 55 1st year then 67 then 62 and 102 in 4th year (It took Max 4 years to match Drapers 1st year)
ROB ave 63 1st year then 95 then 106
Goldy ave 39 1st year then 50 and then 66 and 113 in his 4th
Only Grundy has had a better 1st year than Draper. Grundy ave 75 1st year then 63 and then 91
With increased fitness, size, experience and skill and TOG as #1 ruck I see Draper as a 90 ave minimum ruck for the first half of the season. His first few games he could easily ton up as the sole ruck against Hawks, Port,Saints, Swans, Lions, Pies, Blues Giants.
I hate the bombers and I believe that the club should have been banned for using its players as Crazy James’ Lab rats but I genuinely admire Sam Draper. He is the only bloke that I’ve ever seen to cause Mummy to take a ‘short-step’ in a running front on contest for a loose ball and he did it in his 1st season. He is talented strong and the most ferocious big man in the AFL there will be 17 other rucks crapping themselves at some stage this season.
I can’t wait for round 14 when he comes up against Max for his 2nd time Max is definitely the best SC ruck in comp atmo but he also has the heart of a Butterfly. A couple of Port mids scared Max away from the contest in round 9 last year for his season low score of 87 score (with 40 hitouts) and some even smaller crows did the same to the big marshmallow the following week to keep him to 107.
Draper is a proud man and he will have already pencilled in round 14 as the game that he goes WWF on his opponent to make up for his worstgame ever. Remeber Max is no hero when there’s a chance of being hurt and he’ll either fake injury to miss his matchup against Draper or he’ll do a hammy early in the game if that doesn’t happen Dees will use some excuse like Warnies mum put something in max’s juice to keep his weight down and it sapped Max’s energy.
Max wont be the only one to take a side step when draper is around.
I know that its a risky move but I reckon he will easily match Robs 2nd year 95 and be a great POD while we wait to see who will be #2 ruck for 2021. Who will it be? Rob, NicNat, Grundy, Goldy? It wont be draper but if you like watching big blokes who are genuinely tough smash other big blokes and play good footy you will enjoy having him in your team for 6 weeks for a 90+ ave

Russty_

Do you think Preuss might be able to do the same or better than Draper this year Dave? I’m leaning towards only one of the two G’s again, rest of the team looks like a dog’s brekky spending that much on 2 rucks.

demonsdelight

wow Russty Dave’s monologue is absolute rubbish mate ,to even think Max has the heart of a butterfly is beyond me ,certainly not worthy of a reply. The guy’s a champion and by far the premier ruckman but then again Brown’s crap ,the melbourne midfield is crap and forwards crap. wow think I might follow the Saints

Russty_

Yeah Neil that’s harsh on Max, I think he’s got plenty of guts, I’m thinking of keeping Gawn and passing on Grundy to start..I think Brown’s like Ziebell this year, if they average 75 or 80 ish..it’s a win, not a 30’s scoring rookie.

demonsdelight

Max has won one or two AA ‘s also so he is right up there.Interesting about Tracca and Oliver John together with Harmes Viney and Langdon maybe our mids is better than OK

David

Gawn getting AA doesn’t mean that max isn’t as soft as butter mate it just means NicNat didn’t play enough games.

David

This is me being provacative because Melbourne members are usually rich due to standing on the disadvantaged and, a fit NicNat is better than Max at his best

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David

Don’t let my reality and fact based comments deter you from making your rainbows and unicorns comments dd I really enjoy them, they are some of funniest things written about footy.
The one about Brown being a viable SC forward and likely coleman medalist had me in absolute stitches.
Keep em coming mate we all need a good laugh in these times of covid.

David

Damn, I’m almost as eloquent and provocative as the great poet Ronald Belford Scott.
I’m also a little bit p!issed/inebriated/intoxicated

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Russty_

Careful you don’t eloquently choke on your own vomit like he did after 2 bottles of Whiskey lol

JohnDJ59

Oliver and Petracca would have to be in the top midfielders in the comp Neil. As for Max, champion ruckman and person.

David

You’re a very funny man dd, you know very little about footy but you’re still funny.
I never said Max wasn’t a great ruck I just said he wasn’t tough and he VERY often takes short steps to avoid a physical contest against somebody of similar size unless its a bounce or throw in.
It’s an historical fact that a couple of tiny Port mids scared him away from the contest for an entire game last year and a couple of even smaller crows did the same thing the following week. Watch the tapes mate you can see the fear in his eyes every time there’s a loose ball near him and a crow or port player running hard to get it.
If the melbourne billionaires hadn’t cried to the media and AFL about mistreatment and the AFL hadn’t helped Melbourne (yet again) with a public statement about leaving poor old softy alone every club would have done the same thing and Max would have only ave 100 for the rest of the year.

David

This is me being a little bit rude and teasing dd due to my dislike of the Melbourne FC millionaires living in luxury by exploiting the working man.
Like the great man said “I got patches on the patches of my old blue jeans, well they used to blue, when they used to be new, when they used to clean”
If I was picking a fight/trolling I would used something like this quote from the great man “Outa my way I’m running high take your chance with me just give it a try”

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David

Thanks mate I feel honoured that you should look down from your ivory tower of ignorance and acknowledge that a common working man ( and 30 year footy legend) is giving you the sh!ts 🙂

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Russty_

WoW indeed Neil, now he’s coming after me too…again…LOL, I’m shaking in my gumboots.

David

Don’t flatter yourself.
If I was coming after you, you wouldn’t know until you regained consciousness in ICU

Russty_

Oh really David…how exactly do you think that would happen? Are gonna beam yourself through my wifi router and beat me up?…LOL
Douchebag

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demonsdelight

where’s 66

JohnDJ59

I’m hanging on to the Gawn/Grundy combo for now Russty, but yes,the rest of my team looks fairly average, although I’m happy with my back line. I just feel if we don’t start with the top two rucks, we just won’t be able to get them until near the end of the season and will the player we pick with the extra cash make up the points.

Russty_

I get what you’re saying John and until a few days ago, I’d gone back to the 2 G’s again but was really unhappy with my back and forward lines, it makes you go with too many speculative midpricers or too many rookies and I don’t really want to do either of those. Depending on too many rookies can really backfire too.
Not sure what to do really John, I’ll keep tinkering until the time gets closer I guess, there’s bound to be guys getting injured and falling out of the running in the meantime.

JohnDJ59

I really don’t like my team at the moment Russty. I have 7 rookies on field, 2 in def, 2 in mids 3 in fwd line, which is around one more than what I normally go with, I have 6 midpricers, even though I don’t mind the players that I have picked there, D4 Scrimshaw, M4 Rowell, M5 Serong, M6 Green, F2 Caldwell, F3 Ziebell, I feel it is one too many and I only have 9 premos, so two short there. I can’t really go any less in midpricers, since I would then have too many rookies on field. So yes we just have to keep tinkering. I think the main thing is to be happy with the premos and midpricers first and worry about the rookies come team selection in round one.

Russty_

Yeah that’s a lot of midpricers mate, although I wouldn’t classify Rowell as one, I think of him as a ready made premo. Having Preuss, I’ve also only Rowell and Ziebell out of that lot..had Caldwell for awhile and then went back to Heeney instead…so with Preuss I’m able to have 13 premos, if you classify Williams and Heeney as premo.
I would like to start Caldwell, will have to monitor how Heeney’s progressing over the next few weeks.

demonsdelight

Good chat fellas You really have to say ‘are those midpricers, including Rowell going to be there at the end I am banking on none being there ,therefore are they cash cows? 12 prems for me.not houston pretend types. I may take a chance on one up and coming midpricer Green .a future champ, Butters mainly because he is a forward and Milera but how is the issue Might well be 12 super prems and 10 rooks including danaher,ziebell cockatoo,,,valente and Thommo all with some sort of afl experience One thing I know is the rookies will appear Not going with Phillips just caught in no mans land wont make much coin cheers boys

JohnDJ59

Hi Neil, 12 premos and 10 rookies sounds great in theory, but I don’t think you can have more than 9 rookies, three on each line, excluding the rucks, 11 premos is more realistic, which leaves you needing 2 midpricers.

demonsdelight

That’s why i have a backup plan B. Whitfield out MILERA and Sholl in that’s 11 prems 2 midpricers but prefer 12 prems 10 rooks don’t forget 5 have some exposure daniher cockatoo valente Ziebell and. T hompson leaving i def 3 mids and 1 fwd and out of those 5 all are some chance to debut as well as4 possibly 5 bench players also so John not as dreadfull having 10 rooks cheers mate

Russty_

I guess with midpricers, I’m just looking for someone cheap enough to fill a spot early, not dish up 30’s and hopefully be a stepping stone to a premo down the line…I believe Rowell will be there at the end if he’s still fit, I know what you mean about Phillips, how do you spend 200k on a rook who’s gonna have played only 1 pre-season game? He’s just as likely to be a bust as a 117k guy.

JohnDJ59

The only thing that I have changed this afternoon is trading out Serong, again, moved Macrae (the rookie) from the fwd line to the mids and brought back Rozee to F2. Which has gained me $58,400 and structure wise the team looks more traditional, but in the end it’s just a midpricer for a midpricer. I think Serong could be a gun this season, if he gets the midfield time. Rozee should do well also, if he gets into the midfield and the same could be said about Green. I will only be starting with two of them. Which two, who knows.

Russty_

I think I’d wanna keep Serong and Green mate out of those 3, bloody Rozee’s got a lot of making up to do for last season.

JohnDJ59

It’s a bit of a hard one Russty, I think Serong and Green are the better quality players and I would prefer those two, but with Rozee being 58k cheaper than Serong, plus structure wise being better, not sure what to do. I might just cut out some of my expensive rookies down to cheaper ones, then I could afford, Dunkley or Dusty, instead of Rozee though not too sure about either of them. Have to admit Rozee at F2 doesn’t look right.

demonsdelight

Have to agree with Russty here John Rozee is a trap If you are lucky enough to grab that 382k OLIVER you are extremely lucky I have checked them all out . Green looks good but wont get a go ditto Cummins Williams is good but rated no10 defender by me Rowell the same as Zac sholl and Milera look excellent chances Butters a little dear for me and Serong a year too early So if i was to pick an OLIVER out of those it would be GREEN who was Melbourne’s no.1 rated draft choice ahead of 2 very good players but he is coached by Cameron and will be moved on i suspect cheers

David

How did you know that Rozee is a trap? Surely they didn’t print that in the financial Revue

Russty_

Why are you constantly having a go at Neil David?..with some kind of presumption that he’s rich and privileged and even if he was, how is that any of your business or concern?
I don’t mind your comments as you have some good insights but at other times you personally attack or make politically based comments that have nothing to do with Supercoach…maybe it’s the booze talking?
I get the feeling you’ve been around in JR a lot longer than your current avatar, that’s ok, just please don’t personally attack people and keep it about the footy.
You have a great sense of humour and are obviously very intelligent and an impeccable numbers cruncher, don’t ruin all that with petty attacks on people who don’t deserve it.
Let’s have a fun season and all try to get along, and if you don’t like someone’s comment, just try to resist the urge to respond to it.
P.S I appreciated your Caldwell V Hately analysis.
Cheers.

David

Hahahaha
Just teasing him mate not attacking him. You’re being presumptuous based on a few inflammatory comments.
It’s a competition just like real footy and I’m ‘getting into his head’. I’m sorry that you can’t see the humour in it.
I’m sure dd see’s the funny side of it (except for the stupid comment about him knowing nothing about footy that I didn’t really mean but I have been unable to retract).
My teasing/aggravation was initiated by him suggesting that I was in fact a f!og called wow from previous years.
He who casts the first the first stone should not be suprised when a truckload of rocks is dumped upon him.

Derek

Players are either keepers or cash cows.

If they are a keeper, they need to be in or near the top 10 on their line, not just on average but durability

Not sure about Rowell, does he have what it takes for a 23 round season and be a keeper? For a few more dollars there is Crips or TKelly who I’m more confident with.

With cash cows, I’ve heard the argument between the cheap and expensive rookies and who will make more cash, but the trade off is having poor rookie scores on field which can stuff the start of the season

David

I am risk averse (sometimes) Russty and I think Preuss is the less risky choice as a provisional R2. I do love the way Sam goes about his footy though, I think the same about him that I did about Max in 2014 that being, “Very soon this bloke is going to be an absolute monster ruckman”.
I just love the way he plays footy and I have no doubt that he will easily surpass the 3G’s of Goldy, Gawn Grundy within the next 2 seasons.
He plays the game like he’s the most selfish kid on the block, it’s his footy and nobody else is allowed to touch it, and if they do they are gonna get smashed.
Max had some of that angry animal character early but sadly he’s lost it now. maybe because he has the recognition he deserves maybe because he’s worried about getting hurt who knows. It could just be a maturity thing young men are always angrier than mature men.
If I was an official at an AFL team I’d be seducing Draper already I just love watching the kid play. its old school hardman bonecrunching footy and the sort of thing that brings crowds to the game. If the bombers can keep him until he peaks he will bring back the supporters that they lost due to James turds cheating and total disrespect for his players.

Russty_

I’d pick Draper for sure if his scores were just a bit better, there’s just that inconsistency there although Preuss ain’t any better, Preuss just saves a chunk of cash, couldn’t really care if Draper is hard as a Cat’s head if he can’t score well, same goes for Max, who cares if he may protect himself at times, maybe it’s for the good of the team as captain, so he can be there next week…what does matter is he averages 130 per week.

David

Me again having a playful swing at the big hairy demon, possibly to irritate the Melbourne FC working man exploiters; like dd in his 2020 Range Rover drinking $200 cervat pooh coffee

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JohnDJ59

I was more into bikes David, my last one was a 1987 Suzuki LS 650 Savage. I don’t ride anymore though due to the idiot four wheel drivers on the road and my back being stuffed from years of manual labour jobs.

demonsdelight

I also had a suzuki John nice bike but as some of the forum guys know I traded for a Harley now that’s a bike even if the sporty did have a few nuts and bolts rattles

David

Why do I think that when you say “i also had a Suzuki” you actually mean “I had a few million in suzuki shares and received a bike instead of a dividend one year”?

Russty_

How’s that Harley mobility scooter running mate?..:)

David

Why are you having a go at DD for riding a Harley? and why are you suggesting that he’s too old and incompitent to ride a real bike?
This is a site for sharing info and having fun, personal attacks and prejudism against the elderly doesn’t belong here. You should take a good hard look at yourself.

Russty_

Well it’s a personal inside joke actually between friends, didn’t expect you to react with such a thirst for revenge but….here it is lol.
I was just pointing out your multiple personal attacks on Neil and all Melbourne fans who are apparently overly rich and all drive Rolls Royces , and exploit the working man.
You always eventually reveal yourself, the same scourge who’s been trying to ruin this site for the last 3 years or so, good luck with your next banning.

David

Oh OK
I didn’t realise that you governed this site on a ‘Do as I say not as I do’ basis.
Gooses and ganders hero

demonsdelight

that;s right mate personal joke between a few on site. Closest I came was sitting in Joe Gutnick’s rolls after doing some renos in his mansion , sprung by his missus and not appreciated one bit Tough this year Russty the rookies are of a little concern but so are byes and trades Remember when they slid backwards 2 years back after having no trades well with 9 PREMS IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TRADING Minimum of 11 as john correctly suggests.With whits injury i have gone with Rowell and Hately One less mid rookie to worry about cheers

Russty_

Too right Neil, this is an important year to get your initial starting team as right as possible.

David

I agree with about those 4wd’s in the city mate we used to call them ‘Toorak Tractors’. Are you a Melbourne Member? If so what was your chauffeur doing when you were riding the bike?
I rode a Honda XL 500 for a couple of years because it was safer to ride down the grass median on the eastern freeway than risk my life on the bitumen and those road bikes don’t handle the gras too well at 100k’s

JohnDJ59

Hey David, I’m a Melbourne member, have been for 28 yrs straight, been barracking for them since 1972. I think you are taking the stereotype of supporters a bit too seriously. There are just as many working class people that barrack for the Dees as well off ones, just as there are rich Collingwood supporters as well, not just the ones that didn’t look after their teeth. Not sure about now, but when I was at school in the seventies, it was the Carlton supporters that were from well off families. Also if you look at the back of those 4wd’s, most have Hawthorn or Richmond stickers on them.

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Russty_

Be careful who you interact with John, this guy has been here before under several different names, you know who I mean, he just can’t help being offensive because it’s in his nature. It’s a shame because he has good footy insight but he’s so arrogant and offensive, it cancels all the good out when he reveals his true self…which he can’t help but do. I guess the new format of the site has allowed entry to everyone, whether they were previously banned for life or not.

David

Give it a rest troll

demonsdelight

I actually come from working class Footscray wow and it is my bussiness what i drive and who i vote for. certainly not for this site .get back to footy that’s why we are here for .

Shake n bake

Whitfield inj at training

JohnDJ59

Yes saw that,in doubt for round one, I’ve put a line through him, plenty to choose from in defence.

Derek

A bruised liver? Who would know how many weeks that is?

It doesn’t sound that bad. Let’s see if he plays in the next scratch match

Russty_

Maybe 3 to 4 weeks of him resting his abdominals apparently, it can also be pretty serious requiring surgery.

demonsdelight

same as brown 4 weeks keeping both

David

G’day mate hows the Range Rover and Brighton Beach luxury house goin?
I heard that some of you Melbourne members suffered really badly due to Covid and are down to you last million, I hope that you’re not one of them but if you are I’m sure Josh Fryburg will send a few hundred thousand tax payer dollars your way when he ends the increase to the poverty payment for the unemployed
🙂

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David

me too. reluctantly because I know that I will have to bring him in very soon after he recovers

David

Episode 1 – Jonesy’s Gems (The gems are the info not the players)
There has been a bit of talk about low priced mids and mid/fwds so I have run some data through my obscenely massive brain to find the truth.
These 2 guys below are 3rd year players which is a common time for ‘breakouts’
Important: The CBA % referred to below are the % for that player in the games that they played
Jackson Hately 310k mid
Debuted at Giants in 2019 and played 7 games plus 2 preseason games (scored 101 playing inside midfield in his first preseason game)
His first HA game was round 5 .V Freo he had 22 disposals, 6 marks and 3 tackles for a SC of 95. His next game was round 7 .V Saints when as a late replacement for Jelly he had 21 disposals, 6 marks and 3 tackles for a SC of 85.
He didn’t play again until round 15 .V bombers as wing/outside mid for 55 SC his remaining games that year were rounds 16,19,20,21 playing a mid/fwd role averaging 15 disposals, 4 marks, 0.5 goals and 3.7 tackles but not scoring above 54SC.
In his second season he only played 6 games plus 2 pre season games (in preseason games he scored 129 SC .v Swans and 92 SC .V Tigers as an inside mid) he ave 64 for the HA games with a low of 39 .V Port and a high of 108 .V Bulldogs when he was a late replacement for Jelly.
He did not have a single CBA in 2020 HA games.
He ave 14 disposal, 5 marks and 2 tackles for the season and 64 SC. NO CBA’s in the HA season was a suprise considering the good work that he did everytime he replaced Jelly and he had 50% CBA in practise games.
This data shows that Hately isn’t just a good inside mid he’s a very good inside mid who has been starved for opportunity but, he also has a couple of extra Aces up his sleeve. He is known for his supreme endurance and he’s a very good contested mark and accurate goal kicker.
Less interchanges in 2021 will mean more mids resting forward and those that are rested forward instead of on the bench will be the high endurance players that are good contested marks; Hello SC tons.
Will Hately get midfield time at the crows?
Last year the crows rotated 17 non-rucks through their midfield. Taylor walker, Fogarty, McHenry, Stengle,Gibbs,Smith,Seedsman, Atkins, Schoenberg, Poholke, Jones, Laird, Keays, Sloane, BCrouch, MCrouch.
Atkins, Seedsman and Smith attended 15%, 14% and 13% of CB’s respectively. Schoenberg, Poholke and Jones attended 18%, 24% and 27% of CB’s respectively while, Gibbs, Stengle, McHenry, Fogarty and Walker all attended less than 7% of CB’s.
Laird 38%, Keays 48%, Sloane 56%, BCrouch 60% and MCrouch 69%
2021 Poholke is gone, Gibbs is gone, BCrouch is gone, Atkins is gone, stengle is in trouble, Sloanedog is fading fast and Walker is irrelevant.
Laird may increase to 50%, Keays to 60%, Jones maybe 40% but Seedsman and Smith will attend less CB’s. This creates a LOT of opportunity in the Crows midfield.
Opinion of the Huge Brained Beast
The only reason he wasn’t a full time inside mid at the Giants is Josh Kelly, when he is given the opportunity to play his natural role he’s a genuine gun worthy of being recognised as a top 20 midfielder. He’s only 310k so he is a perfect stepping stone player if he gets injured, poor form and midfield opportunity will not be an issue for hately he could easily be an M6 keeper.
Jye Caldwell 348k m/f
Debuted at Giants in 2019 and played 2 games plus 2 preseason games (scored 78 playing wing/outside mid in his first preseason game)
His first HA game was round 21 .V Hawks he was a late replacement for Hopper and played an outside/wing role and had 13 disposals, 5 marks and 6 tackles for a SC of 73. The following week in the same role he had 10 disposals, 2 marks and 3 tackles for a SC of 27
In his 2nd season he played 9 games plus 1 preseason game. He ave 65 for the HA games with a low of 45 .V Swans and a high of 84 .V Crows that crows game included 7 tackles and the only goal of his career so far. The tackle count was off the back of attending 39% of centre bounces. The only game where he attended more centre bounces was round 9 .V Suns when he attended 41% and had 4 kicks, 11HB but only 3 tackles for a SC of 70.
Over his 9 games in 2020 Caldwell attended 24% of centre bounces BUT they were all in games where DeBoer wasnt playing or didn’t attend a single centre bounce = Caldwell was tagger when at centre bounce. Who is bombers centre bounce tagger? I have a feeling that if that question is asked in September 2021 the answer will be Jye Caldwell.
Will Caldwell get midfield time at the Bombers?
Last year the bombers rotated 13 non-rucks through their midfield including Snelling, Cahill, Laverde, Hibberd, Clarke, Langford, Tippa all less than 15% CBA plus Smith, Stringer, Parish, Merrett, McGrath and Shiel. Smith and Stringer attended 25% and 28% of CB’s respectively. Parish attended 48%, Merrett a very suprising 56%, McGrath 72% and Shiel topped the list at 80%.
2021 Stringer has been told that his time in the middle will increase and he’s been training in midfield so far this year and you’d expect Zerrett to attend a lot more than 56% in 2021. Of the 13 players that rotated through Bombers midfield last year maybe smith will get reduced time in 2021 but stringer, Clarke, Parish and even Langford are all likely to have increased mid minutes. In the final 2 games of 2020 only Shiel, Parish & Merrett attended more CB’s than Langford. None of this says “Jye will be a fulltime mid in 2021” to me. I predict that his role at bombers will be exactly the same as it was at GWS
Opinion of the Huge Brained Beast
Caldwells DPP status is a pure bonus gifted to us by SC to try and trap the uneducated into starting him in their teams. An unwavering love for all things Essendon is the only justifiable reason for having him in your team.
He may become a good SC player but it wont be this year. He’s not a goal kicker or a strong mark so if he gets midfield time he’ll be bench rested not forward rested. As a tagger with an average sized engine he’ll go to the bench everytime his opponent is rested forward or benched.
His DPP is unsubstantiated as he’s never played a senior game as a forward and his career score totals are 1 goal and 2 behinds. Unsubstantiated DPP status has always been the giveaway in SC traps
This is only my opinion but remember, My Brain is bigger than your mums ar$e

David

Lloyd-Stewart-McDonald
Williams-Cumming-Jones (Chugg-jeffrey)
Neale-Oliver-Merrett-Cripps
Rowell-Hately-Phillips-Pedlar (Cockatoo,Durdin,Davies)
Gawn-Preuss (Treacy)
Marshall-Bolton-Ziebell
Daniher-Fullarton-Rowe (Eyre,Spicer)
Usual rookie disclaimer
Before you criticise it too much
Checkout Boltons CBA’s and CB take away’s Brilliant!
Read my analysis/comparrison of Hately & Caldwell
Have a talk to somebody from Brisbane about Tommy Fullarton this preseason
Look at Cummings’ performance results when playing a williams/shaw role

David

This was mine. I’m just being courteous in announcing my new attire/image

JohnDJ59

I always liked the Dirty Deeds album cover, thought it was their best, but not the best album, TNT is still my favorite.

David

John you are obviously a connesuir of iconic rock but I feel that Dirty Deeds demonstrates the versatility and composition genius of the youngs and the laconic humour of Ronald Belford scott better than any other.
It contains the 1st ever wrap song R.I.P track 7, classic world-class rockabilly There’s gonna be some Rockin’ track 3, Cheeky Humour Big Balls track 6, a Band biography Aint no Fun track 2 and one of the best Australian Blues songs ever written which has featured in blockbuster movies Ride On track 8.
One of my top 5 Bon Scott lines comes from Aint no Fun “One of these days you’ll see me driving through town in my Rock ‘n’ Rolls Royce with the sunroof down, my bottle of booze and no summer time blues shouting ma look at me in my rock ‘n roll voice”
It contains a few other classic Aussie lines as well
Of coure the title track is an absolute ripper as well showcasing Bons lyrical brillance but I’m an old man and the singles don’t do it for me as much as the ‘body’ songs of the early albums.
Cold hearted man was meant to be on that album as well but for some reason it was never actually released in Australia until the first box set.
TNT was and still is one of the greatest Rock Albums ever released with the classic Long way to the top and pre-punk Rocker and the family friendly version of The Jack plus of course the first emanation of the classic Aussie ‘oi’ but for me it doesn’t showcase the youngs and Bon the way that Dirty Deeds did.
Probably my main gripe about TNT is that it includes a cover of a Chuck Berry Song. I can forgive them for having a cover song on High Voltage but by TNT they had dozens of songs that could have replaced the cover of Chucks classic.

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JohnDJ59

You do have a point David, I probably just like TNT more because it was my first album by them, like my favorite Rolling Stones album is ”Let It Bleed” If I look at both albums together, there are six songs from ”TNT” that I really like. Long way to the top, Rock n Roll Singer, The Jack, TNT, Rocker, High Voltage. From ”Dirty Deeds” I really like five, Dirty Deeds, Ain’t no Fun, There’s gonna be some Rockin’, R.I.P., Jailbreak. So nearly a draw, with ”TNT” I can play the whole record and like every song, though ”Dirty Deeds” does have my favorite AC/DC song in ”Jailbreak”. I wasn’t really into singles either, mainly bought the album if I liked most of the songs on it. If I look at my AC/DC albums, the two mentioned, plus, ”Let There Be Rock”, ”Powerage”, ”Highway To Hell”, ”Back In Black”, ”For Those About To Rock”,most of them have five to six songs on each album that are really good songs. You mention guitar solos in your other reply, I love the one in ”Let There Be Rock”.

David

Powerage is the most underated AC/DC album ever John. I consider the final 2 tracks to be the precursor of Punk.
Up to My Neck was always my pre-game pumpup song as a kid and I continued to use it as my pumpup when I was a professional public speaker talking to doctors about medical devices. I’d turn up to those events (usually at 5 Star hotels with valet parking) in a convertible wearing a 3 piece suit and Up to My Neck or Kicked in the Teeth at full volume.
Another of my top 5 lines from the master poet “….I’ve been up to my neck in whiskey I’ve been up to my neck in wine, I’ve been up to my neck in wishing that this dick wasn’t mine.”
The bloke was a lyrical god and very bloody funny

JohnDJ59

Those two, plus ”Rock’N’ Roll Damnation” & ”Riff Raff” are my favorite four songs on the ”Powerage” album.

David

If you like pure genius guitar solos John you have to listen to Soul Stripper (track 5 High Voltage) I can’t understand why this track isn’t internationally recognised as the greatest guitar rock song ever written and, it was written by a couple of teenagers in 1974.
In addition to the phenominal guitar work that would have Bach, Rachmaninoff and Wagner wanking with both hands if they were still alive it also features Aboriginal clapping sticks for the 1st time on a ‘pop’ recording.
If it were re-released tomorrow it would be an instant top 10 on the rock charts

Russty_

Why don’t you just go with your old image David?…Sc66 or ScWow, vpn’s are great ay

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David

Why don’t you go home to mummy and whinge to her you tool.

David

Mate you wont scare me off this site.
My skin is a lot thicker than your head but your skin appears to be a lot thinner than my hair.
Get over yourself

demonsdelight

That;s the last thing we want Russty Who takes GEARY’S role Russty. is the new recruit any chance

Derek

Like most people, been tweaking the team a bit.

Starting to believe the Zac Williams midfield hype. Swapped Blicavs to Williams (Blicavs might still get back in place of Whitfield if his injury is bad)

Swapped Milera to a rookie and gave me cash to upgrade a rookie to Heaney.

Even More of a guns and rookies team now

Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Williams Rookies

Neale, Oliver, Adams, Cripps, TKelly, Rookies

Grundy, Hickey (Fullerton)

Dunkley, Marshall, Heaney, Ziebell, Daniher, Impey (rookies)

demonsdelight

Hickey is a brave move covered by fullerton to a degree but appears necessary to get that M5 Like it

David

Yeah I’ve dropped whitfield also, the liver is more important than a penis when it comes to physical contest.
Dropping Milera is wise he wont play more than 17 games for the year and probaly no more than 10 in a row.
I was against laird until I did a total analysis of CBA’s and the Crows midfield structure (that Lek is holding from publication due to its enormous intellectual value) I’m now trying to find a way to squeeze him in.
The Adams selection is pure wisdom and can’t go wrong unless Eddie decides he isn’t white and ends his contract.
TKelly is a bit speculative I dont think that he the engine to stay on ground long enough to go 110 regularly.
Hickey is obviously your joke that not many people will understand but Tommy Fullarton is more pure wisdom.
Heeney is one of my favourite players he has a warehouse full of courage and talent BUT he broke himself again already.
Dunkley should have approached Carlton the bloke is a genuine football genius but he’s too expensive for a high forward.
Impey I’m sorry to say is a bust. I wrote a post on another page explaining why. I really like him and admire his football nous and aggression but coaches like to use him as a shutdown player which keeps his scores in the 60’s and below. I think my post revealed that over his entire career almost half his SC scores have been below 60 and 40% below 50.
I know from reading your previous posts that you have a solid understanding of analytics so I suggest that you look into Hately (maybe Lek will release my analysis of he and caldwell so that you don’t have to do the work yourself)
Also checkout out Boltons 2nd half of 2020 for CBA’s and CB take aways he was Ultra elite and seeing as cotchin is like 237 years old this year Boltons time in mid will only increase.
If you dump Dunkley (due to mystery of role) & Heeney (because of injury) you could get Bolton and Hately without losing points and save a few grand to turn impey into someone that will score a lot better.
It’s only an opinion and they’re as common and valuable as flies at this time of year.

Lekdog

Not sure why the site blocks your comments, might be the length of them triggering the spam filter?

Laird is a must-have for the reasons you’ve highlighted. Coaches Panel has a Laird pod dropping shortly where that all gets broken down.

David

Yeah sorry mate, brevity is not my forte`

Paul

All Comments Welcome.
DEF: Laird Short Williams DGB Gould Wehr + (highmore chugg)
MID: Neale Oliver Adams Gaff Cripps Hately Phillips Cambell (durdin downie davies)
Gawn Grundy (Treacy)
FWD: Dunkley Marshall Zieball Daniher Kelly Fullarton (rowe jones)
98K Left.

David

Hi Paul I’m turning over a new leaf and trying to be brief so this wont be another essay.
Too many on-field rookies in defence. I also think hawks have a couple of players in front of DGB you could almost turn DGB into cumming with your remaining $
IMO 2021 is not the year to start 2 mega priced rucks Max is clearly the best and a must have from Rnd 1 but based on the early draw Grundy will bleed some cash in the first 4 weeks, he wont get the 150 .V dogs that we are used to from him because he’ll be up against Stef Martin and he’s been given an absolute thrashing by Stef the last 3 times he played him.
I like your team apart from those elements

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Derek

thanks david, much appreciated.

Whitfield was one of my first picked, but if he is going to miss a few weeks of pre-season and possible round 1, he will be swapped to Blicavs

Laird should get the midfield role that BCrouch had. Will be a top 6 defender, can afford him to start and is locked in.

TKelly is an undervalued premium. I had him for the last few weeks of last year and he had a couple of massive games that won me a number of H2H matches. WCE were poor last year when they were away from home, the midfielders especially. I can see some of the WCE mids increasing 10-15 pts this year, i’m hoping it will be Kelly. I’m just not on the Rowell bankwagon, yet.

If you know me, i always have a left field R2. I find it hard to lock away all of one line so early in the season. yeah i know it will be Grundy and Gawn again this year, but its a new season and i’d like to keep my options open. Hickey is only a bit more expensive than a rookie. If he is the #1 ruck at the swans (Sinclair is only opposition) i will be starting him and ride the rollarcoaster until Gawn becomes cheaper.

I felt like i needed one of either Sidebum, Dangerfield or Dunkley at F1. Sidebum and Danger are more expensive. Dunkley is a big chance to be playing pure midfield. At the moment he seams best value of the Uber forwards.

I read what you said about Impey. I’m convinced he will be playing as a running defender. Sam Mitchell said on Hawk TV they were going to play him in defense and have him break the lines with his run and kick. He averaged 68 and 74 in 2018 & 2019. I think he can do that gain and at $212k is looks value and best 22.

I Picked up Bolton last year in all my draft teams, and he was a gun. I know how he went. But it did seem like he was playing in the mids while Cotchin and prestia were out.

David

Thanks for the headsup on Hickey Derek. I was being arrogant and ignorant and didn’t even bother to check who he was playing for. I’m 100% behind you on that strategy now and I will copy it.
You wont change my mind on Jarman though, he’d be the 1st bloke I pick to go ‘bare hands pig hunting’ with but I just don’t see the Hawks having the luxury of letting him run wild on the footy field this year.
He did play a lot of line breaking HB in 2019 but wasn’t very special, only ave mid 70 over 9 or so games.
Who do you see as the main Doggies mids this year? Last year they had 15 individual non-rucks with CBA’s. Bont 75%, Macrae 73%, Smith 62%, together attended almost 80% of all CB’s in doggies games. The remaining 20% of CB’s were attended by Libba 58% then Dunkley 39% Lewis Young & Callum Porter both around 18%. Then they had another 9 players attending between 1% and 9% Lipinski only attended 5% of CB’s in his games and he deserves more this year to continue his growth, as do Porter and Young Smith will also attend more
(the % relates to % of CBA’s by that player in games played)
This year you have to add Treloar to that lot so Bont may spend more time fwd but he’s too important to reduce too much.
I think that they got Treloar with the full intention of giving Dunks a crack at the coleman.

This is only opinion and at this time of year they are as common and valuable as tax cheating foreign businesses that make massive offshore donations to a political party that likes the colour blue.

David

Bolton ave 60% CBA for the season that includes 2 games with none (rnd 1&2)
From round 7 to round 15 his minimum CBA was a massive 80% that’s almost Neale numbers

Cotchin missed rounds 6,7,8 & 11 but attended an average 74% of CB’s in the games he did play in round 10 Cotch 80%, Bolton 90%, Dusty 65%
Prestia missed from 6 onwards which is when Bolton got his chance but I think Boltons CB take aways were about 30% better than Prestia’s best ever; I just can’t find where I saved the data

Dusty actually had the highest CBA % for tigers in 2020 @ 76%

I’m banking on Bolton attending a minimum 80% CB’s in 2021 purely based on how high his take away % is

David

I just had a closer look at Boltons data and changed my mind I think he’ll ave about 95 max for the year. My initial excitement was based on 3 games
In round 7 82% CBA for 102 SC .V Kangas
In round 10 90% CBA for 106SC .V Lions
In round 13 88% CBA for 131SC .V Bombers
But he only ave 90 over the rounds 7 to 15 period, it looks like he considers his job to be finished once he clears the ball from the CB. He needs to get a few more disposals before he’s SC worthy.

Derek

I don’t know how the doggies will go this year.

My best guess is Treloar, Bont and Dunkley will get the bulk of the midfield mins.

I’m seeing Hunter and Macrea on the wings

Libba and smith half forward and some time in guts allowing Bont and Dunkley to rest forward

Shake n bake

Yeo out for maybe the 1st month makes Kelly a viable pod

JohnDJ59

My third go at getting a team together, I think I am getting close. I now have 11 premiums, 4 midpricers & 7 rookies on field, so more like what I usually start with structure wise. Def: Lloyd, Laird, Stewart, Williams, Jones, Wehr. (Highmore, Chugg) Mids: Neale, Oliver, Walsh, Rowell, Green, Hately, Campbell, Powell. (Valente, Mead, Berry). Rucks: Gawn, Grundy. ( Treacy or Fullerton). Fwds: Marshall, Dusty, Ziebell, Macrae Smith, Rowe. (Durdin, Laurie). I still like Serong, but I replaced him with Hately so I could get Dusty at F2 instead of either Rozee or Caldwell. I’m not a fan of Dusty in SC, he just does what he has to till the finals, I prefer Dunkley and if it is suggested he will be mainly in the guts I will go with him instead of Dusty. Out of the four midpricers, I’m counting only one as a keeper, Williams should make a good D6 at seasons end. Green, Hately & Ziebell will be stepping stones, though I am hoping that one of Green or Hately will perform well enough to end up as my M8.

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demonsdelight

looks good john but i see 10 prems like the mids especially m345and6 makes it work For mine i would strengthen the forwards 3 rookies on the weakest line worries me but Daniher can fix that great effort mate

JohnDJ59

Hi Neil, yes 10 premiums in reality, but Russty said I could count Rowell as one, so I did.

JohnDJ59

I always have a problem with my fwd line, apart from Marshall, I’m not really sold on any of the other premium fwds, so that’s why I ended up with what I have.

demonsdelight

the other 3 lines are great john and you are so close i will stick with 12 and 10 rooks hoping they appear.

Derek

I feel like I need one of Dunkley, Danger or Sidebottom at F1 (Marshall at F2)

All three should be top 6 forwards on average, but I worry about Sidebottom and danger on durability. Both a bit older and injury more likely.

Dunkley is a fair bit cheaper as well.

JohnDJ59

I know where you are coming from Derek, having Ziebell at F3 is just wrong, he should be a F4. Dunkley, Marshall, Dusty would be the ideal top three, it’s just being able to afford them.

JohnDJ59

I’ve looked at my team again Derek and the only way I can get Dunkley, Marshall, Dusty, Ziebell as my top four fwds, is to sacrifice Grundy at R2 and bring in Preuss.

David

Looks as good as any other team at this stage of total uncertainty JDJ.
Where did you get the info that Dunkley will be mainly mid instead of mainly fwd? He only attended 39% of centre bounces in games he played last year and with the addition of Treloar, and natural progression of Smith, Lipinkski, Young and Porter plus Libba who will definitely attend more than the 58% he did in 2020 I don’t see Dunks spending more time in the middle than he did last year.
I like the Tom Green selection and the Hately but I reckon Hately will get heaps more onball time than Green. Personally I’d drop green for a Phillips or similar and turn wehr into cumming or ash.
It’s only my opinion and opinions are like psychotic ex-girlfriends in that everybody has a different one

JohnDJ59

Hi David, if you read what I said carefully, you will notice I said ” if it is suggested he will be mainly in the guts I will go with him”. It is the uncertainty of his position, especially with the addition of Treloar as you mentioned that has me wary of picking him, even though he should end up in the top six forwards.I don’t mind Green at his price. Williams at D4 could get downgraded if Gould or another rookie that I’m not considering turns up. Then I would have enough cash to do something in the fwd line. One to think about at the Dees apart from Gawn, Oliver, Petracca could be Harmes if the move back to a midfield roll is to be believed. At $344,700 he could be a good stepping stone.

David