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2020 Hindsight: Round 3

Published by Fozdaddy on

Hello Community. How is everyone? A bit of a roller-coaster of emotions going on right about now, hey? When news broke of McKenna testing positive for COVID-19, my first thought was, “football will be suspended for two more weeks… :(”

But with the postponement of the Essendon-Melbourne game, everything SuperCoach-related has been thrown up against a wall, seeing what will stick. Believe me, there are no perfect answers in such an imperfect world. Whilst many of you wanted averages, or projected scores to apply (believe me, so did I), there were too many issues with this. Such as:

1. You could trade in players like Viney, Petracca, Gawn, McGrath and Smith. These players are performing above their price, and you would get them for their confirmed scores. Unfair.

2. What happens when the replay game gets played? Do those scores just not count?

3. Price changes would occur based on averages? Or they wouldn’t, because they haven’t played?

At the end of the day, it’s a bizarre season in a bizarre year, but you have to give credit to the boys who are sifting through all the bullcrap to try to find a situation that works. Whilst I don’t love the best-18 myself, especially because I own 4 premiums and two on-field rookies who should’ve played, it was the only situation that made sense based on precedent and repercussions.

Now, after that rant, let’s get to some hindsight viewing.

The Top

Jaeger O’Meara (142) top scored for the Hawks on Thursday night, finishing with 23 disposals, 5 marks and a goal. James Sicily (128) had 23 touches (19 kicks) playing off half back in an intercept/rebound role we all love, while Chad Wingard (122) bounced back with three goals from his 15 touches, much to Patch’s she-grin. Jayden Short (126) had 18 disposals and seven marks in the back half, along with Bachar Houli (110), who continued his run at the MCG with 25 touches and six marks. Dylan Grimes (109) and Nick Vlastuin (105) rounding out Richmond centuries highlights the Tigers poor game, as their only decent scorers were backs.

Caleb Daniel (134) reminded everyone why he was so highly selected last year, finishing with 23 touches and six marks for the Bulldogs. Jack Macrae (133) was finally put back into the centre square by Bevo and finished with 25 touches (11 contested), seven tackles, five marks and five clearances. Keep him there, Bevo. Please. Josh Dunkley (128) had just 16 touches, but 12 were contested, and he also managed six tackles and two hit outs. Oh, and he kicked a goal. Tim English (120) finally played some decent football once I put him on my draft bench, while Nick Haynes (110) is playing some good football this season so far. He had 17 touches and 11 marks off the half back flank.

Todd Goldstein (151) has had a ripper start to the season, finishing the day with 35 hit outs and 18 touches. He also had 4 free kicks for. He’s tracking towards being a better ruck option than Gawn and Grundy, let’s see if he can keep it up. Jy Simpkin (140) is a current star, and a future superstar. He had 26 touches and a goal, but his composure was incredible when under pressure. He’s one to have this season. Isaac Heeney (123) had 18 touches and a goal, as well as taking 8 marks. He was due to play deep forward, but Hayden McLean came in late to push him further up the ground. Josh Kennedy (126) had 22 touches and six tackles, and was instrumental in the win.

Steele Sidebottom (150) has never been a must-have in SuperCoach, but if you have the POD you would’ve been pleased with his 31 touches, 6 tackle and one goal effort. Brayden Maynard (125) also had a really good game as a POD with 23 touches and six tackles, while Jack Crisp (114) had 24 touches.

Mitch Duncan (123) was Geelong’s best player with 24 touches, but he did miss two shots on goal. Pat Cripps (123) had 24 touches and kicked two goals, while Sam Docherty (122) had 23 touches and 9 marks. The two skippers led from the front in the gritty win. Jack Martin (127) didn’t kick a goal, but he did have 18 touches and five tackles.

Lachie Neale (166) has continued his incredible start to the season with another magnificent display. He had 32 touches, two goals and seven tackles, as well as 7 clearances. Hugh McCluggage (155) finally put together a good performance after disappointing over the first two weeks, with 26 touches and five tackles. He also missed two shots at goal and went at 53% despite scoring so well. Nic Naitanui (137) was a popular trade out option this week, but he was back to his best with 12 touches, 34 hit outs and a goal. Andrew Gaff (117) has been hot to start the year and that didn’t stop, collecting 30 touches and taking 7 marks. He alsom missed two shots at goal, which could’ve resulted in an even bigger score.

Matt Rowell (141) is on his way to a Brownlow. In 2020? Perhaps. He had a triple double, with 10 kicks, 10 handballs and 10 tackles. He also kicked two goals in the massive Gold Coast win.

Jarrod Witts (147) gave massive AFL Live 2004 vibes by consistently grabbing the ball out of the ruck and pumping it into the forward line. He had 17 touches and 22 hit outs, as well as 8 clearances. Ben King (130) kicked three goals from his 13 touches, while his leaping ability was on display with 6 marks. Touk Miller (126) was also very strong with 26 touches and a goal, while Brandon Ellis (111) seems to be the secret sauce to premierships. He had 20 touches and five tackles. Rory Laird (108) had 25 touches off the half back flank for the Crows.

Nat Fyfe (166) is a superstar. Despite the loss, he had 23 touches, four tackles and a goal. He took a ripper pack mark late in the last quarter but failed to convert. Michael Walters (109) was the only other Docker to reach triple figures, with 23 touches and a goal being how he got there. Travis Boak (159) had 26 touches and a goal, as well as 7 tackles. Scott Lycett (156) had 37 hit outs to go with 12 touches for the Sunday night game against Fremantle on the Gold Coast.

The Flop

James Worpel (70) was inefficient in the win, with 10 clangers to go with his 17 touches. He laid seven tackles, which was good, but five free kicks against is not so nice. Jack Reiwold (14) was on -13 at half-time, which was a bit of a laugh.

Lachie Whitfield (8) was collected by Aaron Naughton and was ruled out at quarter time. Owners have been saved by the best 18 rule that has come into place this round, but he’ll be a popular in once he drops to approximately $430k.

Dane Rampe (32) had just the 8 touches and two free kicks against for a pretty poor score. Owners would be upset with that output. Shaun Higgins (61) was subjected to an effective tag and finished with 11 touches, however did go at 100%.

Rowan Marshall (81) was quiet with just 11 hit outs and 14 disposals. He kicked a goal but is suffering from having Ryder in the team. Jack Steele (73) had 13 touches and six tackles, but was a massive drop off from last week’s performance, as was Jack Billings (70), who had 16 touches.

Sam Petrevski-Seton (45) only had 9 touches in the win, while Sam Walsh (75) had 12 disposals and three tackles. Patrick Dangerfield (75) had 21 touches, but went at 47% efficiency, while Tom Stewart (84) had 16 touches and seven marks.

Tim Kelly (61) has been underwhelming so far, only managing 17 touches and four tackles. He also went at 29% efficiency. Elliot Yeo (71) was also disappointing. Charlie Cameron (46) cooled down after a great start to the year, only managing 5 touches and a goal.

Pretty much all of Adelaide flopped on Sunday, whilst none of Gold Coast did.

Dan Houston (73) is surely on the chopping block now. He had just 12 touches, and I reckon about 4 of them were kicking out from full back. He’s not getting the ball around the contest. Connor Rozee (30) was very quiet, with only 8 touches, while Luke Ryan (67) disappointed with just 12 disposals himself.


Marlion Pickett (50) disappointed owners, who may now look to move him to the bench after a relatively poor start to 2020. He only had 10 touches and four clangers. Jonathon Ceglar (120) had a good game against Soldo and… *checks notes*… Nathan Broad, in the ruck. 15 touches, 20 hit outs and a goal to go with seven clearances is super tasty.

Bailey Smith (101) is looking like a must have forward option this year. Only 17 touches through the midfield, but he’s an energiser bunny and continues to go 100% into every contest. Kicked a goal and went at 94% efficiency too.

Aiden Bonar (45) played his first game for North after being a late in for Cunnington, and didn’t do anything to force selectors to pick him again, with just 8 touches and four tackles. Jordan Dawson (113) was a popular pick in preseason but the love dropped off after a poor effort in the last preseason game. He had 16 touches and a goal, but also had 459m gained.

Hunter Clark (70) disappointed after having a great game last week, with just 16 touches. Daniel Butler (124) continued his great start to the season with two goals from 16 touches, while Ben Paton (100) also cracked the ton with 18 touches and seven marks.

Jack Steven (20) played his first game for the Cats, but you wouldn’t know about it. He was barely sighted, finishing with 6 disposals. Quinton Narkle (111) had 18 touches and four tackles in a great game. Marc Pittonet (137) backed up his excellent game last week with an even better effort against the Cats. He had just 9 disposals, but he took 3 marks, laid three tackles, and had 36 hit outs. Hopefully he can continue this mammoth effort.

Oscar McInerney (132) had 11 touches, 16 hit outs and a goal in a big game for him, while Jarrod Berry (127) snagged three goals to go with his 13 touches.

Tom Doedee (113) had 20 touches and 8 marks for his second game back from injury. Hugh Greenwood (116) had ten touches and 13 tackles, as well as 8 clearances, to have a ripper game after Mark Ricciuto talked smack and called him old and slow.

Brett Bewley (93) had 17 disposals, with 11 contested, in a good game. Hamish Hartlett (126) and Brad Ebert (116) combined for some vintage Port performances, collecting 14 and 16 touches respectively, while Ebert also kicked a goal. Ollie Wines (107) also played his first game of the season and had 25 touches and a goal.

First Dates

Lachie Ash (39) wasn’t that impressive with just 7 touches, but he looked quick and used it pretty well. If Whitfield misses a game, I imagine he’ll hold his spot and play Whitfield’s role. Laitham Vandermeer (53) played his second game, and had 10 touches. He looks quite impressive for a second gamer, and I imagine he’ll hold his spot.

Curtis Taylor (44) had ten touches and two marks, with most of his points and disposals coming in the second half. Kyron Hayden (34) had just six touches and four tackles.

John Noble (64) had 14 touches for the Pies, while Tyler Brown (80) had his best game so far, with 15 touches, three tackles and a goal.

Tom Williamson (53) played his first game for the season and had 8 touches. He went at 50% efficiency, but I imagine he’ll hold that spot, as Newman obviously isn’t coming back soon.

Jarrod Brander (75) had 14 touches and eight marks in a good game for him. Tom Berry (21) had just four touches in his second game, while Brandon Starcevich (89) had 12 touches and a goal.

Noah Anderson (51) had just 9 touches, but Connor Budarick (80) had 16 and his first goal. Ned McHenry (17) was barely sighted with two touches, while Will Hamill (40) was a little better on debut with 9. Fischer McAsey (53) had 7 disposals and three marks, while Ben Crocker (54) had 9 touches and a goal.

 Sam Sturt (11) was doing nothing for the majority of three quarters, and then he broke his ankle… or at least looked like it. He came back on, laid a tackle, had a shot for goal, and then finished his night. Look to see if he gets up for next week. Hayden Young (41) did not much either; finishing with 8 touches.

I hope your weekend was still enjoyable, despite only watching 8 games of footy. Love you all xoxo

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Great article Foz!


Great write up, worth reading just for this line:
"Chad Wingard (122) bounced back with three goals from his 15 touches, much to Patch’s she-grin."

absolute chaos round. Ditched Macrae for Howe & MacPherson for Petracca 🙁 only lost 154 points there.
probs gonna swap T Kelly and Houston out this week so they'll make solid VC & C options in Round 4.

Love this game


Wow, managed to get the 54th highest score this round with 2208! Very lucky to have only had D.Smith on field, managed to avoid most of the carnage


Awesome work mate


Thanks Holty, it really is just dumb luck to be honest. Managed to shoot up to 300-odd overall as well. Never normally play for rank but i may as well give it a crack this time around


I went the other way. I was sitting at 420, but had 6 on field dees / dons, scored 1700 and i'm now at 10.8k!
Love this game and not angry at anyone but gee it's taken the wind out of my season now.


Ouch Paul, god this game can be cruel.

The Ranger

Great work AB! Keep it up!


Cheers Ranger


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Trade Dangerfield in? Can only afford Danger, Bontempelli or Cognilio.


Personally I'd prefer Coniglio out of the 3 – had Danger as my first mid upgrade target but he hasn't looked too great so far (and I expected him to pump out 110+ every week at home)


I think im leaning towards the "danger is past it" group as well.
From that group it has to be cogs.


We have to wife the slate clean from here. Coniglio would have scored 108 last year if not for injury, so do we think that Dangerfield, from this point wont be able to score a 110 average? He scored over 115 for five years running. But you are probably right – I'll go with cogs and hopefully book in a 105 average


I’m sticking with danger. He attended 21 centre bounces and had 21 touches. If he didn’t have 49% disposal efficiency he would have tonned up. Hopefully he bounces back.


Yeah see im more keen to jump in right now and back Danger to turn good from here on. Would be the upset of the century if he didn't go half decent from here


What a weekend! I'm seriously considering Pittonet now as a way to get to Gawn ASAP. With 25 trades left, is it worth trading Jacobs to Pittonet, or stick fat with Jacobs?

I started with English and traded him to Jacobs after round 1, so trading in the rucks again seems ludicrous but this season is such a different one.


jacobs struggled against English. He has Grundy this week, as a Jacobs owner the time has come.

Pittionet has Essendon this week. Will they play?

Naismith might be a better option, cheaper and has English this week


Yeah im a bit worried about Jacobs upcoming matches too. Is Naismith a sure thing to return though? Sinclair has been doing a decent job

Not really much competition for Pittonet at the moment


Sinclair scored 36

If Naismith is fit he should play


Yeah Hayden Mclean scored 101 while Sinclair got bugger all, wonder if he could keep Naismith out.


Naismith is the better

Shake n bake

Jacobs got over scored on the weekend lucky to get 95! Definitely in the gun this week. Don’t think Naismith will play this week.


Bringing Pittonet in should make you as much money as an average rookie trade, but you’ll also get great points out of him in the meantime.

*If I had Gawn and Grundy I’d be having a look at BE’s and seeing if it’s worth dropping one for a few rounds while Pittonet makes a couple hundred k and the one I dropped drops in price.


*this sentence may contain a “red herring”


cheers everyone, think I'm gonna bite the bullet and go for it


May as well Joe, this whole season's ludicrous so far


Is whitfield to simpkins a dumb move given the near ability to trade every week?
Mainly not to burn the cash whitfield will lose.


planing to build a nice warchest over the next few rounds. there are going to be some bargain priced premiums in the next few weeks. Rampe, ZWilliams, Hurn, Bont, Danger, T & J Kelly, Yeo, Toby, Whitfield

The Ranger

A warchest would be nice but I'm suddenly staring at a bench containing Rivers, Bennell, Robertson, McInerney and probably Sturt.
Not a lot of fast cash happening there…

The Ranger

Yep. I'd do it.


I’ve only read the intro but I wanted to post to say a huge “well done”.

I read a few comments where people were upset about the best 18 rule being applied. But what could be done? Some people gained, some lost out.

Call me a bleeding heart leftie, but this was the outcome that caused the least harm to the majority.

Anyway, now to read the rest of the article.


As someone with Gawn, Oliver, Viney, Petracca, Smith, Rivers and Bennell, you better believe i think its unfair.

In the same way, if I am advantaged if all these players I have score double in a few rounds, I will also think its ridiculously unfair. On the topic of what could be done, awarding the averages would have been more just than having a round in the future where players will score double. I mean talk about the advantage of being able to predict scores – most Ess/Melb players will top the 200 in that round, and dont get me started on price rises. Talk to me about minimising harm when my five premos inclusive of Gawn C score over 1500 between them in the DPR, not to mention my Melb rookies or anyone else i bring in.

I'm not one of the people abusing SC staff on twitter. However, I'm very much in favour of having a just system and a fair go, of which this is not. I'm trying to be as objective as possible about this, because this week just seems like a war between the "i scored well and its fine" people Vs the "I scored bad what a rip off" people. Averages was clearly the better option, regardless of the minor advantage it would have given.


Fairness in a game like this is based on equality. Your "some people gained, some lost out comment" on something that is meant to be equal just illustrates how far from equal your mindset is. That is exactly the same as saying some people have the right to vote, live, breathe or fart and some people don't. Ridiculous


What should have been done?


Totally agree with you Jess You've suffered a lot .. I was in the same boat as you and giving all the rounds average would have been better.. As you say the ones that avoided the carnage are laughing all the way to the bank.. I was sitting 193rd and now have dropped about 7,500 places due to the 18 rule crap.. Not happy Jan.. SC can stick it right up there clacker where the sun don't shine,,, Fair to say i'm not a happy camper


Agree completely. I sat at 41 coming into the round and also had Oliver Viney McGrath Petracca Smith and Rivers. Dropped to 484. Can't change anything so onwards and upwards.


You seem to be a happier camper than I am Choppers.. I even contacted the HS venting my anger about how the round average should have been given to all , But as usual no reply


Not so much happier and very disappointed with that decision and having those 5 on the field may have moved me up a tad, but I have no control over it so I've accepted it and moved on. Cheers.

Shake n bake

I’m missed most of the carnage Gator but l don’t think averages were the way to go aswell. I just thought the rd should av been scraped. I didn’t think what they did was right either.


Agree with you Shake.. It should've been scrapped


You had a tough round. I had a total of 7 players as well, not quite the same quality, but 7 nonetheless. 5 Melbourne, 2 Bombers.

I’m not trying to pick a fight, but it made me think about my own team, saying “too many eggs in that basket” and I’m sure the thought crossed your mind at some point, having 6 from 1 team.

What about the people who had no players from those 2 teams? (unlikely in this case, but in Richmond v Hawks it would have had no impact on my team and I would be really annoyed I didn’t get all 22 scores)

So many “what ifs”. As i said, “call me a bleeding heart leftie but … least harm to the majority”.


So do you think it is fair now or will it be more fair when players get double points later on?
Or do you just think either way it will still be "least harm to the majority"….


I’ll wait and see on the double points later. But, yes, least harm to the majority.

Were you a Whitfield owner? Big upside there, by having the best 18.


Yes i was a Whitfield owner and benefited. But its not about my personal benefit or loss, its about fairness. I actually went up slightly this week due to all my other players going amazing.

I dont understand you. You mean to say regardless of having a DPR or not, the best decision was made? So you are adament that the best decision was made give or take a large number of points plus or minus that are yet to be determined.


Averages awarded would have been very close to the proper scores and nowhere near the difference of losing the players altogether. So what if Viney scores 135 and we know it, its better than having them omitted altogether from your team. My friends child is autistic and has a whole team full mostly full of Hawks players, which is fine by the rules of SC. Would he just not score at all for the week? (If hawks).


and you had Whitfield too? so 8 players missing but you claim to have benefited from best 18 due to not taking whitfields score.

Hmmm looks like somebody is a big fat liar.

Jorg Ancrath

I sored bad and I think it's fine.


Given that this decision to award best 18 happened into the round, it was unfair not to use averages. I had already used 1 trade to bring Petracca in before the WC game so couldn't reverse. I also was loopholing emergencies so got caught with bench players not scoring due to the 6 outs of Ess and Melb players with no E on them. My so called advantage from double scores will be wiped out by sensible coaches bringing in Melb and Ess players when their scores are doubled, looks like a minimum 4 weeks now. Only fielded 17, had Dusty benched and McInerney late out to boot, dropped 20k in rankings. Thank you SC
Still, enjoy the game, am back this week and will concentrate on league wins.


I just traded ROB to Pittonet and Whitfield to Butler. Leaves me with almost 800k. I did it to see what it looks like, especially since there aren’t any appealing rookies at the moment.

The idea is to make serious quick $$ and still score good points. then pick up Whitfield again at a deflated price and Gawn once Pittonet peaks.

800k means a double upgrade next week.

Unsure at the moment and Carlton might not even play this week, but I’m leaving them there for now.


Is dan butler an option? Or am I insane? Can’t see much cash generation this year and he could make a pretty quick 100k


I’m onboard, even if it is for a quick 100k. I’m hoping for 200k or even a top 6 contender, but I am a glass half full type of person (and a saints supporter)


Dunkley out for at least 2 weeks, with an ankle injury that has supposedly kept other players out for more than a month. He has to go doesn't he?

Considering i haven't missed any midfielders, I think i'll look to trade him to Simpkin, swing him forward and then look to trade Dunks back in for Pickett in a few weeks.

What is everyone else doing with dunks?


Dunks out Kennedy in.


Latest report has him out for 6 weeks.


Yep just read that Choppers, he is out of my side now


Main reason I didn't start with him. He's a very good MID for SC but he's only played 48 games over the last 3 seasons (66) and you need someone who can play 20-22 in a normal season.


Sidebottom, Adams or Steele?


Sidebottom, Adams, Steele or Shiel?


Dog gone

Dunks out for 6. 😬


Great write up Foz. Kudos. Just a heads up re your multi tho. Check your bookmakers T& Cs. They will never pay that bet out. Most will limit a multi payout to 250K, some even less. . I found that out the hard way:(


This week I am thinking of going for some quick cash. I’m thinking of trading Macpherson and Conroy to Butler and Pittonet. Thoughts on these trades? Would leave me with 26 trades left


Dunkley!! Just as everything was coming up Milhouse he’s gone.

Smart move is to get him up to Neale, but has the ship sailed? Moving him to Petracca or Oliver for a double round in the future is a tempting option


Who is everyone thinking of moving Dunkley to? I already have Neal, Fyfe & Cripps – thoughts appreciated!


In the same dilemma Vin. I like Sidebottom but am worried about what happens when Treloar comes back in, and also i have a feeling the De Boer tag will go to him next week. Sidey is an excellent midfielder but cannot handle a tag.

Gaff is also a nice option as a POD, although i am worried about the effect of the QLD hub on the teams mental state.

Taylor adams is also a bull, but has a pretty horrific injury history.

As of now i've traded in simpkin, will look to do a mid upgrade in a couple of weeks when things are a bit clearer.


Thanks AB – agree with the sidey assessment – Treloar will definitely affect his output. I've already got Simpkin in the forward line, I'm leaning towards Boak as a replacement for Dunkley – thoughts?


Mid seems like a really hard area to do upgrades if you don't have the obvious ones, how about trading in a reliable mid/fwd such as Walters or Heeney?

I'm not fully convinced Boak will keep this scoring up as Port have had 3 pretty easy wins. Macrae and Oliver also seem like safer prospects if you're chasing a mid but they're almost the same price as Boak now.


I feel uneasy about Boak, he is a good player but i think come seasons end he will be outside of the top 10 mids. If he was a forward again this season though he'd be an absolute lock.


Missed the carnage too. Had Sturt and Whitfield on field.

2083 points and 1703 rank for the round. Feeling the pain for the ones who got smashed.


Good score Westy, if the ones who got smooshed last week get double points for all their Dees and bombers, will they all be leaving the rest of us for dead that week? It's all gotten rather messy now with what's happened, maybe they should've just awarded every coach 2000 points each.


That's exactly what I've been saying Russty..They just should've allocated the average points score to all coaches and all would be happy.. Although some beg to differ..

Jorg Ancrath

Dunks out must be good for Bailey Smith to continue running through the guts?


And Sturt out too now for 3-5 weeks

Jorg Ancrath

Gosh I hope someone tags the bejeesus out of Neale for the next couple of weeks. I need him and he costs the earth.


He's become perma-captain now..invaluable, he'll go up another 30k this week if he gets 150.
Much more reliable than Grundy at the moment, other teams are nuts for not tagging Neale.
I'd get him in any way you can this week Andy


Don't think anyone from the Crows is capable this week and who, from Port, does it the following week. Ebert maybe?
Although having said that, I read somewhere that Keays tagged Rowell in the 2nd half and kept him reasonably quiet….so maybe Keays?


Didn't see the Port Game on the weekend, what happened with Rozee? Coming back down to earth a bit or just an off game?


Apparently copped a boot to the face