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PODCAST | Collingwood, Fremantle and Not Brett Bewley: 2020 SEASON PREVIEW

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Oh Brett Bewley, how we wanted to love you. Damo locked you into all our sides in the preseason of 2019 and then time slide by and we didn’t see you. We sat on the porch like a lost puppy waiting for their owner to come home from work, and it wasn’t until well over halfway through the year we saw your beautiful face. 

And now Patch and Lek don’t want to see it again. Join Patch and Lek as they bully Damo for 20 minutes about Fremantle, and the three musketeers dissect Collingwood for good measure. 

Who are you looking at from either of these sides?Β 

PS – Check out Lekdog’s 10 Commandments article in the Herald Sun here: support the guy…(PS I am the guy. Tricked ya! But seriously read it).

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Thanks guys! So I've dropped Brayshaw from my team now as he is a spud ( looking forward to the beast article) … added Pina, Watson, Young, Bewley & Ryan..5 purple jumpers in the team at least until the Marsh series.. Thank god Lyon is no longer the coach πŸ™‚


Sorry for ruining him, god I hope he doesn't break out

Jorg Ancrath

Treloar has been in my team every year. This year I promised myself I'd let him go. But now… why can't I quit you!!!!


7th last year!


Those back end numbers are highly enticing. Plus I'm sure he's finally tidied up his disposal efficiency. Surely.


WE SAY THAT EVERY YEAR (Patch shouts, refusing to admit he was wrong)


You definitely shouted…I'll give you that !


Laird Sicily Doch Hill + rooks
Macrae Fyfe Jelly Cripps Dunkley Danger + rooks (No Rowell)
Grundy English
Whitfield Dusty Steven + rooks

Not sure on the structure and also this leaves me with no bank.
Trying to convince myself English will average 100+ and then be a simple upgrade to gawn if necessary. Thoughts? Also want Jelly badly but deep down know it’s probably not worth at his price and likelyhood of injury however feeel his is just about the best pure scorer. Also havin tuff time weighing up between both/either/neither Steven and Smith but will just have to wait for pre season. Also expecting Lairds output to go back up.


Sam Sturt is the ex-cricketer Lekdog. Never did any pre seasons due to playing cricket so is described as having plenty of upside once he gets a few under his belt. Has put 5kg on this year and definitely one to watch.


Should Fyfe be that big of a lock especially given that its almost a certainty he'll miss a few games. How should we be weighing up average vs total scoring


One way to look at it might be from a total points.

So for Fyfe, you might say he’s 18 or 19 games at 120, plus a bench rookie for 3 or 4 games.

Let’s say 18 x 120 = 2160, plus 4 x 55 = 220. So, total points = 2380.

Compare to say an Oliver 22 x 110 = 2420.

So, you would actually end up with more points for the year with Oliver compared to Fyfe. And save 58k on the way.

Now this doesn’t take into account whether you could use either as captain options for double points, which would alter this slightly.

My personal feeling is that we might be so short of bench rookies, that durability might be more important this year than previous years.


Factor in him missing a bye week when you only had 18 playing. Donut

Thanks Hurn last year, Laird the year before, Selwood year before….


Hey Derek check your Bunnies hotmail account for the draft league code. Let me know how you go thanks


Only missed two games last year, worth taking the 'risk' for


Thanks Lek

His performance over 10 seasons is 162 games. Average of 16.2 games per season. In those 10 seasons he hit 20 games only 3 times.

Worth noting that he peaked in 2014 and 2015. Even his great year in 2019 was below his SuperCoach output of those years.

He is 28 now. Not saying his performance will fall off the cliff, but given the physical style he plays and his age, it seems more probable that his scoring will at best level out, or go down.

Plus he’s already said that he plans to go forward more and pass some of the heavy lifting to the new dudes. Not saying he’s not a beast, he is. I’m just saying from a SuperCoach perspective, maybe we are not looking enough at total points across the season and focusing more on averages. We might be undervaluing durability.

Even if you pencil him in at 20 games x 120 + 2 x 55 = 2510 then Oliver only needs to average 114 to out score him. Then you also have 58k to use on getting more points across the field.

I understand that my perspective on this is out of step with the community thinking on this, which means I am probably the one who has got it wrong. But I want to put it out there as an alternative way of looking at it. I don’t have a crystal ball, and maybe Cripps, Fyfe and Whitfield will all play 22 games this year and I will finish in nowheresville again. What I am saying is that if they do, they are defying their own history, and in Fyfe’s case – maybe gravity also.


Don't disagree with any of this. I'll add that one thing worth considering is the mount of times Fyfe goes 130+ is a pretty high percentage (don't have the numbers on me, I think Phantom did an article on this) which gives him a Captaincy value that I'm not sure Oliver has yet?

Not gonna nail my captain score every week but I'm comfortable with Fyfe to go big when I need him to which will add to his total points for my side, does that make sense?

PS he's not currently in my team, I just get the feeling he'll play more than 20 games this year for an average of around 120.

Oliver is in my team, but I'm wavering slightly. How easily do you see him pumping out a 114+?


I think Oliver has already set a floor of 110. Given last season he was coming off double shoulder surgery, I do see him improving. I do think 115 is very realistic for him. Hasn’t left my side from the outset. I like his age, his durability and his floor. I only see upside, whereas on a lot of the other premium mids I see risk.


We've got an article going up today looking at whether we should favour the younger guys like oliver, keep an eye out!


Some dude put together a team last week based on G n R premo durability in 2019.

Point to prove I think it was called. <img draggable="false" role="img" class="emoji" alt="πŸ˜‚" src=""&gt;


I like that



This is the Ultimate test of supercoach skill.

Outsuper, Outcoach, Outlast.

Rules are pretty much same as last year:

We will start with groups of 22 (number of groups will depend on popularity. We will start with 5 groups and see how it goes, we can add more groups later)

To start the season nice and easy, no-one is eliminated in Week 1, however, The team with the highest score from each group in Week 1 will have the IMMUNITY NECKLACE for Week 2 and therefore can not be eliminated in week 2.

This will continue each week, the team with the highest score for the week in their group will have immunity the following week.

In Week 2, the team with the lowest score for that week (and that week only, nothing to do with overall score or rank, just the one week's score) will be eliminated from the group. Fire snuffed out, gone! Unless that team has immunity. If that is the case, the team with the second lowest score will be eliminated.

In the case of a tie, the team with the lowest overall rank of the tied teams will be eliminated.

The same will happen in Week 3, the lowest score for that week will be eliminated (unless they have immunity)

Week 4 to Week 11 we step it up. TWO teams will be eliminated each week until there is 4 teams left in each group.

We don't play during the byes. This is to much of a big deal to be stuffed up with bye rounds.

After Week 14, the surviving teams from the divisions, will go into the Champion of Champions Group, and battle it out to find out who will be the ULTIMATE SURVIVOR.

Same rules will apply in the Champion of Champions Group (exact details will depend on the final numbers)


I have set up a number of "JR Survivor Divisions" in GROUPS.

Not to be confused with LEAGUES (which i'm sure most people have already filled to their max 10)

JR Survivor Division 1 – 487484

JR Survivor Division 2 – 929079

JR Survivor Division 3 – 254091

JR Survivor Division 4 – 627425

JR Survivor Division 5 – 625106

You can join any group, but you can only join ONE.

If i see anyone in more than one group, they will be eliminated from all the groups they are in.

IF there is already 22 people in the group, DON'T JOIN IT, join the next group. Once these initial groups are filled, i will add more groups if needed.

Anyone who was involved last year will know how it all works, and hopefully had some fun.

Let me know if there are any questions.

thanks Fellas.


This was unreal fun last year!
Thanks for putting the time and effort in again Derek.
Count me in! πŸ™‚


Nice work again Derek, thanks for this… I'm going in now to division 1 πŸ™‚


I will put ‘FULL’ in the group title once it has 22 teams in it


Locked and Loaded in Div 1 Derek.
Cheers for running this again, great concept.
Are you doing the cash league again this season? <img draggable="false" role="img" class="emoji" alt="πŸ‘" src=""><img draggable="false" role="img" class="emoji" alt="🍻" src=""&gt;


No cash league this year


I’m in div 4 sounds like fun

Jorg Ancrath

Thanks Derek.

The Ranger

Onya Derek.


Thanks for running this again Derek and I'm in … You're a true champ mate


Banchang Barflys are in…..Div3.

Thanks for doing this Derek.


Sounds like fun, cheers Derek. I am in group 5.


Awesome Derek, can’t wait for the season to get underway!


Gosh you're a good egg Derek


On my phone, when I’m looking at my team, along the bottom of screen on a gray bar, there are 6 icons.

One of them is ‘leagues’

Click that and both league and groups come up


Hi oops, it's the 3 horizontal black bars on the top left of the kfc supercoach logo, that's the MENU…select classic, and then Leagues, scroll down and then you can join groups, easy peasy mate.
Don't feel embarrassed for not spotting it, it should say the word "menu" when a cursor runs over it, maybe the graphic designer was sexting when that decision had to be made.
P.S I've got a League for you to join when you get yourself sorted.


I want you all to know that I intend to win the whole damn thing…and you can all eat my dust, unless I don't, in which case, forget what I said πŸ˜‰


Russty is in a feisty mood, must be getting closer to round 1.


it reminds me of a story:

lek and Patch are walking in the forrest and meet a giant, hungry bear.

Patch screams and lek calmly starts tying his shoelaces.

Patch says to lek, 'what are you doing…. there is no way we can outrun a bear'

lek replies, ' i don't need to out run the bear, i just need to be faster than you'

JR Survivor, you don't need to be the best, just don't be the worst.


Is it 22 including you Derek?…I think there's still 3 spots available in division 1


I’m not playing, but have to be there to administer.

So each group should have 23 including the bunnies


I am going to have a crack this year Derek. Just entered group two. Cheers. TH


I'm in you beautiful human


Theres a league any can join 362155

Jorg Ancrath

If you have the money, is Macrae the one or do we see more value/upside in Dunk/Bont?


I think Macrae's still number 1 but Dunk and the Bont aren't too far away from dethroning him.

Jorg Ancrath

Who gets the tag? Dunkley ran rampant last year. Does he get more attention?

The Ranger

That's the one thing that's been holding me back from selecting him.
Surely teams are going to put more work into him this year?


Macrae still number 1


hello Alex

The Ranger

I backed him in for a breakout year in '18 and again in '19.
He burnt the bejesus out of me.
I can't bring myself to go there again so according to the law of Sod he'll av 105 and be one of the must have defenders this year.


Some advice please. I cant split these players.

Sicily, Fyfe and Steven/smith
Lloyd, Oliver, Smith

Thanks to anyone in advance


Tough, I like 2 but Oliver is my addiction


Thanks Lek.
I ended up finding the cash for Williams, Fyfe and Smith for the time being πŸ™‚


Lloyd Oliver Smith, Sicily and Fyfe more prone to injury and or suspension, Smith's in great physical shape this year and still 26, Steven suffers from depression and is 29 and making a comeback from depression so…Smith.
They're actually very splittable, hope this helped.


Just a friendly word of optimism for the coaches out there sweating of finding rookies. The cheap rookies will come. Although it has been advised against, its not the worst option to take a last resort risk on whoever is named round one. I did so with Saad in his first year, when he want on anyones radar, and he scored a 78 average that year


Yeah, just not a full back from St Kilda in Darragh Joyce haha


Thx Derek, i have joined, after i year in the wildness i look forward to some serious SC. πŸ™‚


I'll seriously look forward to you looking forward to some serious supercoaching…good to see you back billi


478222 code for JR Rabble…first in basis.


Tell you what, if Rowbottom doesn't send the beastcalculator into a frenzy then ….
At training last week making JPK look skinny.


Yes, looks good. in my fwd line.


Watching this space closely


Definitely a high risk pick given the annoying price – but he could go bang. Will be watching. Can find it and give handballs in close, plus tackle. Can also kick a goal if in the area, or even if in another postcode like last year's goal of the year πŸ™‚ 80 meters if it was a yard.


Houston has not been in my team, but if he looks to be getting time in the guts, Gee wizz I might have to look at him at D3


Hi John, yeah my side's looking pretty bare for rd 13, 15 onfield if all my present rookies play, that will have to be a 3 trade week for sure! I think we need to start with Lloyd..set and forget type o guy.


10?! that's amazing mate, might be time for a team restructure otherwise you'll plummet that week, at the moment I have Grundy Nicnat, had Jacobs for ages and then back to grawndy again haha, but I like the idea of batting 6 deep in the mids though, Worpel as my M6.
If Nicnat stays on his big feet he'll be an easy transition to Maxy when the time comes, English could break out this year but also could not and then you're stuck with an 80's scoring guy not worth much.


Hi bud, that's some serious forward thinking I love it!…must admit I don't think too much about byes and usually my rank suffers for it, last year was the first time I averaged over 1900 for the 3 rounds and it helps a lot when a lot of others are going backwards.
I know what ya mean about getting stuck at the end without a full premo team, that usually happens to me, it's the unexpected injury trades that throws the spanner in the works of our best laid plans.
The last sentence was sponsored by Cliche House πŸ™‚


If you look at Dunkley's run home at the end of 2018 compared to Worpel's run home end of 2019 they're remarkably similar, and Dunks went from a 95 average to 116 the next year, that's what I'd be hoping for for Worpel, I know it's a risk but I think he's good enough to do it., I actually rate Tom Stewart as a top 3 defender too mate, I think he'll improve even more this season, he's a very solid and reliable player.
Are you picking Smith in your side?…I think he could be a keeper if he gets some midtime and stays fit…hoping anyway.


Yeah I see your point Neil, why take the risk when you don't have to..and apparently Titch had a great praccy match so I think I'll slot him back into my starters, Worps can wait until next year if he kills it this year, I do think he could become one of the greats though eventually, the best players improve really quickly and he's heading that way.


Yeah I know it ain't right Neil, not starting with Maxy..I'll probably come to my senses when it comes closer to the start.


Yeah mate maybe follow Neil's philosophy of planning for your byes by trading in for the purpose of having 3 strong bye rounds, and the rest of the season of course. As I understood your philosophy, you don't like 2 of the same team players on the same line?…is it possible you have too many from the same team in your 30 though?
If that's so, that's why I always try to maintain variety as much as possible, that way, the byes almost work themselves out.


Worpel is s good player. Without Titch last year someone had to get a boost.


I'm in Johnny


Thanks for the info OOPs, didn't think Bonar would all of a sudden be a good player, he looked a bit panicky last time I saw him play.
Tell me about T-Mitch and Georgiades and where did this Georgiades guy come from, to not already be on everyone's lists?


Cheers Oops and Neil, thanks for the info fellas.


I like Bergman but can easily.change to Georgie boy. 🀠

The Ranger

I like to think I'm reasonably good at trading my way thru the season but the last few years running I've had really bad starts and been way too far back after 5/6 rounds which leads to both burning thru trades and taking on riskier trades in order to try and make up ground.

I always aim for a G'n'R approach with a 3-5-2-3 keeper structure to start with but I'm considering starting more mid-pricers than usual in an attempt to miss out on the inevitable low scoring rookies,

I'd like to hear anyone's thoughts on how to go about getting a faster start.
If indeed, there is such a strategy…


Well ranger I’ll give you a scoop of my plan
Starting 1 or 2 mid pricers and using them to a straight stepping stone to the bont after he gets deboered and sam Jacobs tag round 3 and 4 hopefully grab him before he plays the suns round 8 the sooner the better though

The Ranger

Yeah stepping stones is what I'm looking at Sam

The Ranger

Thanks John. I'm thinking I might try and go witb a mid-pricer at D3, D4, F3 and F4.


i don't think it is the rookies that cause the slow start.

lately there has been only a few rookies who get a game round 1 (not like in the Suns, GWS and Essendon days). So most people have all the main ones. there are a few that get dropped after one or two games, but we all manage to sort out the rookies fairly quickly.

We usually need to have 7-8 rookies on field to start. Stick to the shoal with the rookies.

Last year i fell behind with my premium PODS. I had mundy, Merrett, MCrouch and Dusty as PODS, all had slow starts and anyone with Dunkley, Neale, Fyfe, Lloyd all had a flyer. Maybe 50-100 points different on the premiums.

I paniced and traded out Mundy and Dusty early, both came good after that.


i have been toying with the idea of batting deep in the guts. Coniglio at M6.

the top 12 midfield, look a level ahead of the rest.

Oliver is the 12th most expensive (take out Whitfield and replace with Coniglio) is my top 12.

I have my doubts over Titch & JKelly's fitness, that leaves 10.

i personally would just start with one Bulldog, so MaCrae gets nod ahead of Bont and Dunkley, leaves 8.

Bit of talk with fyfe playing forward, happy to not start him.

Toss a coin between trelour and cripps

6 in the guts should give me a points boost, as long as the rookies are avaliable in the other line.

The Ranger

Yep, I've had a look at going six deep in the guts too Derek.
I have to drop Gawn to NicNat and not have Rowell to get it done at the moment.
It's tempting me but I'm wary of losing the cash generation that midfielders can provide.
It does look good on paper tho.


Hey guys, is anyone hesitant to pick Clarry because of the De Boer tag round 2? I was really big on him before SC opened but now im second guessing it. Am i silly for thinking that?


Can’t say I’ve ever considered him tommy, I won’t be selecting him


Oliver hasn’t left my team.

After last years round 8 when I decided not to take Grundys 141 VC, but back Oliver to go better for C. Love child.

SuperCoach just loves Oliver. But his 53 last year against GWS was a low point


Think we are spoilt for mid premiums this year, and if you can find the small amount of cash i reckon we have at least five players that can average 120+. Don't think Oliver will be there. I rate at least seven players ahead of him, so while he is underpriced, it couldbe worth spending the extra on Macrae, Neale, Cripps, one of Fyfe/J Kelly, Dunkley, Danger, or an on the park Titch. Only my opinion – he will improve, but i guess we will see just how much.


And i also want to note that five or so points a match can make all the difference. People are spending a fortune in other positions for players who will average just those five points higher. Reckon you would have to back Oliver in for around 115-120. But i know a lot of people are hot on him. He was originally my first picked, but theres just others i rate higher now

Captain Redbeard

I'm pretty much looking at those exact players Jess, but I rate Oliver & Neale about equal, so I'm picking Oliver instead.


Try sorting the midfielders by total points.

Also, Oliver is still super young with more room to grow.


i would have Oliver ahead of Dunkley, or at least equal, but Oliver is a bit cheaper.

JKelly has an injury background, will be happy to not start him. GWS has a strong midfield and Kelly might find himself on the outside a bit to much with Hopper, Ward and Coniglio doing the inside work.

After the top 10, there is a clear drop away to the next level that contains Merrett, Crouch, Zorko, Sloans etc etc

I don't think any of these fellas will drop in value much, start with as many as you can. Is 6 too many?

As long as there are rookies on the other lines, i'd prefer beef up the guts. there are the usual suspects on the other lines that could easy have a poor game of two and drop in price.

will depend on the rookies.


OK Community! The Guns and Rookies league is back for 2020. If you are a serious supercoacher, you are welcome to join. Amateurs not tolerated! League code is 785719. Cheers, Tophawk


I have hopped aboard hawk hope finishing in the top 100 qualifies for a spot


I'm in again TH, looking forward to it.


You left it a bit late mate, I knew I had one spare league left for a good reason πŸ™‚
I'm not really a serious Supercoacher but thought you needed a bit of glamour in your team lol


Hi Hawk, thanks for the invite. I had initially joined but have now left. I've decided to have a break from SC this year as too much happening to give the attention needed. So there will be one spot left in the league. Cheers and good luck.


Chad Warner. What intel do you have mate?


Thanks for this info!

I am happy to choose a dead mid rookie to loophole, like a Hibberd from Essendon who might play later.

I also think that DeKoning might gain cash faster than some of the mid bench rookies, so could be a good selection. Will keep my eyes on him. Especially with Kruezer’s brittleness, and with Phillips gone


I agree. Georgiades is a jet! If he is fully fit, watch out! I like Xerri and Hayden young also. All three in my team at the minute.

Captain Redbeard

I think George owes you an apology too…..He called you fat!


Did OOPs do an ACL or something? Are we not going to see him for 12 months? Maybe he retired suddenly like Rance.


Was watching the Firefight Australia benefit concert before and jeez Bakerboy was great, he is one funky dude and a guy with a great heart to boot ,donating his time like that, Grinspoon also rocked that early part of the show, makes me feel old I remember when they first started like it was yesterday, but it was 1995, where does 25 years go so fast?, good to know we're still producing great musicians though..and not just DJ's…well done to all the Artists donating their time for such a worthy and great cause.


Well said.

Onya fireies!

Went into hell and faced the furnace.

Going to see queen + Adam on Wed night. Should be a ripping show!

Ol Brian can still make a guitar sing! πŸ˜‰




Just saw this! Thanks mate!


Jacobs is only $349k. That's not many dollars.


Derek check your Bunnie hotmail for draft league info


I'm not getting it. can you email to [email protected]


Hi Derek I've sent it to you again from my personal email and from the game. Let me know how if you get it or not thanks


Ceglar at F3 anyone? Ruck cover, No. 1 ruck probably at the hawks? What do we think, can he average above 85?

Cheers, everyone.

The Ranger

Too injury prone for me Whitey.


he isn't good enough


I’m running a SC Draft league with mates and need to fill it out. $20 entry, winner takes all. Currently 5 free spots

Email me at [email protected] if you’re interested.


luke mikic

anyone have the trade guide spreadsheet they mentioned in the first couple of minutes πŸ™‚ ?? love the content guys