Oh Brett Bewley, how we wanted to love you. Damo locked you into all our sides in the preseason of 2019 and then time slide by and we didn’t see you. We sat on the porch like a lost puppy waiting for their owner to come home from work, and it wasn’t until well over halfway through the year we saw your beautiful face. 

And now Patch and Lek don’t want to see it again. Join Patch and Lek as they bully Damo for 20 minutes about Fremantle, and the three musketeers dissect Collingwood for good measure. 

Who are you looking at from either of these sides? 

PS – Check out Lekdog’s 10 Commandments article in the Herald Sun here: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-news/kfc-supercoach-10-commandments-follow-these-rules-for-success/news-story/e08568fb0de4d363af3d167bf8dbe8ed support the guy…(PS I am the guy. Tricked ya! But seriously read it).


131 Comments

Captain_Risky · 12/02/2020 at 08:20

Thanks guys! So I've dropped Brayshaw from my team now as he is a spud ( looking forward to the beast article) … added Pina, Watson, Young, Bewley & Ryan..5 purple jumpers in the team at least until the Marsh series.. Thank god Lyon is no longer the coach 🙂

    Lekdog · 12/02/2020 at 09:43

    Sorry for ruining him, god I hope he doesn't break out

Jorg Ancrath · 12/02/2020 at 08:52

Treloar has been in my team every year. This year I promised myself I'd let him go. But now… why can't I quit you!!!!

    Lekdog · 12/02/2020 at 09:43

    7th last year!

      Jorg_Ancrath · 12/02/2020 at 09:51

      Those back end numbers are highly enticing. Plus I'm sure he's finally tidied up his disposal efficiency. Surely.

        Patch · 13/02/2020 at 22:05

        WE SAY THAT EVERY YEAR (Patch shouts, refusing to admit he was wrong)

          Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 02:53

          You definitely shouted…I'll give you that !

Luke · 12/02/2020 at 10:12

Laird Sicily Doch Hill + rooks
Macrae Fyfe Jelly Cripps Dunkley Danger + rooks (No Rowell)
Grundy English
Whitfield Dusty Steven + rooks

Not sure on the structure and also this leaves me with no bank.
Trying to convince myself English will average 100+ and then be a simple upgrade to gawn if necessary. Thoughts? Also want Jelly badly but deep down know it’s probably not worth at his price and likelyhood of injury however feeel his is just about the best pure scorer. Also havin tuff time weighing up between both/either/neither Steven and Smith but will just have to wait for pre season. Also expecting Lairds output to go back up.

    JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 14:09

    Hi Luke, I would be trading out Kelly for a rookie, I think five pemos in the mids are enough. I'd move Hill to the fwd line, since there should be enough defender rookies to fill 3 on field places, while the fwd line rookies, only two at this stage. I'm keeping Max at this stage, but if there is any doubt about him come round one, English would make a good fill in.

Streaka · 12/02/2020 at 11:08

Sam Sturt is the ex-cricketer Lekdog. Never did any pre seasons due to playing cricket so is described as having plenty of upside once he gets a few under his belt. Has put 5kg on this year and definitely one to watch.

happylab400 · 12/02/2020 at 13:10

Should Fyfe be that big of a lock especially given that its almost a certainty he'll miss a few games. How should we be weighing up average vs total scoring

    KeenButClueless · 12/02/2020 at 14:50

    One way to look at it might be from a total points.

    So for Fyfe, you might say he’s 18 or 19 games at 120, plus a bench rookie for 3 or 4 games.

    Let’s say 18 x 120 = 2160, plus 4 x 55 = 220. So, total points = 2380.

    Compare to say an Oliver 22 x 110 = 2420.

    So, you would actually end up with more points for the year with Oliver compared to Fyfe. And save 58k on the way.

    Now this doesn’t take into account whether you could use either as captain options for double points, which would alter this slightly.

    My personal feeling is that we might be so short of bench rookies, that durability might be more important this year than previous years.

      Derek · 12/02/2020 at 22:23

      Factor in him missing a bye week when you only had 18 playing. Donut

      Thanks Hurn last year, Laird the year before, Selwood year before….

        redgumwon · 15/02/2020 at 14:20

        Hey Derek check your Bunnies hotmail account for the draft league code. Let me know how you go thanks

      Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 11:54

      Only missed two games last year, worth taking the 'risk' for

        KeenButClueless · 17/02/2020 at 12:44

        Thanks Lek

        His performance over 10 seasons is 162 games. Average of 16.2 games per season. In those 10 seasons he hit 20 games only 3 times.

        Worth noting that he peaked in 2014 and 2015. Even his great year in 2019 was below his SuperCoach output of those years.

        He is 28 now. Not saying his performance will fall off the cliff, but given the physical style he plays and his age, it seems more probable that his scoring will at best level out, or go down.

        Plus he’s already said that he plans to go forward more and pass some of the heavy lifting to the new dudes. Not saying he’s not a beast, he is. I’m just saying from a SuperCoach perspective, maybe we are not looking enough at total points across the season and focusing more on averages. We might be undervaluing durability.

        Even if you pencil him in at 20 games x 120 + 2 x 55 = 2510 then Oliver only needs to average 114 to out score him. Then you also have 58k to use on getting more points across the field.

        I understand that my perspective on this is out of step with the community thinking on this, which means I am probably the one who has got it wrong. But I want to put it out there as an alternative way of looking at it. I don’t have a crystal ball, and maybe Cripps, Fyfe and Whitfield will all play 22 games this year and I will finish in nowheresville again. What I am saying is that if they do, they are defying their own history, and in Fyfe’s case – maybe gravity also.

          Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 13:16

          Don't disagree with any of this. I'll add that one thing worth considering is the mount of times Fyfe goes 130+ is a pretty high percentage (don't have the numbers on me, I think Phantom did an article on this) which gives him a Captaincy value that I'm not sure Oliver has yet?

          Not gonna nail my captain score every week but I'm comfortable with Fyfe to go big when I need him to which will add to his total points for my side, does that make sense?

          PS he's not currently in my team, I just get the feeling he'll play more than 20 games this year for an average of around 120.

          Oliver is in my team, but I'm wavering slightly. How easily do you see him pumping out a 114+?

            KeenButClueless · 17/02/2020 at 13:49

            I think Oliver has already set a floor of 110. Given last season he was coming off double shoulder surgery, I do see him improving. I do think 115 is very realistic for him. Hasn’t left my side from the outset. I like his age, his durability and his floor. I only see upside, whereas on a lot of the other premium mids I see risk.

              Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 14:04

              We've got an article going up today looking at whether we should favour the younger guys like oliver, keep an eye out!

    TRIGGA_HAPPY · 12/02/2020 at 17:56

    Some dude put together a team last week based on G n R premo durability in 2019.

    Point to prove I think it was called. <img draggable="false" role="img" class="emoji" alt="😂" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/12.0.0-1/svg/1f602.svg"&gt;

      Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 13:17

      I like that

Derek · 12/02/2020 at 22:04

JR SURVIVOR GROUPS

This is the Ultimate test of supercoach skill.

Outsuper, Outcoach, Outlast.

Rules are pretty much same as last year:

We will start with groups of 22 (number of groups will depend on popularity. We will start with 5 groups and see how it goes, we can add more groups later)

To start the season nice and easy, no-one is eliminated in Week 1, however, The team with the highest score from each group in Week 1 will have the IMMUNITY NECKLACE for Week 2 and therefore can not be eliminated in week 2.

This will continue each week, the team with the highest score for the week in their group will have immunity the following week.

In Week 2, the team with the lowest score for that week (and that week only, nothing to do with overall score or rank, just the one week's score) will be eliminated from the group. Fire snuffed out, gone! Unless that team has immunity. If that is the case, the team with the second lowest score will be eliminated.

In the case of a tie, the team with the lowest overall rank of the tied teams will be eliminated.

The same will happen in Week 3, the lowest score for that week will be eliminated (unless they have immunity)

Week 4 to Week 11 we step it up. TWO teams will be eliminated each week until there is 4 teams left in each group.

We don't play during the byes. This is to much of a big deal to be stuffed up with bye rounds.

After Week 14, the surviving teams from the divisions, will go into the Champion of Champions Group, and battle it out to find out who will be the ULTIMATE SURVIVOR.

Same rules will apply in the Champion of Champions Group (exact details will depend on the final numbers)

HOW TO JOIN?

I have set up a number of "JR Survivor Divisions" in GROUPS.

Not to be confused with LEAGUES (which i'm sure most people have already filled to their max 10)

JR Survivor Division 1 – 487484

JR Survivor Division 2 – 929079

JR Survivor Division 3 – 254091

JR Survivor Division 4 – 627425

JR Survivor Division 5 – 625106

You can join any group, but you can only join ONE.

If i see anyone in more than one group, they will be eliminated from all the groups they are in.

IF there is already 22 people in the group, DON'T JOIN IT, join the next group. Once these initial groups are filled, i will add more groups if needed.

Anyone who was involved last year will know how it all works, and hopefully had some fun.

Let me know if there are any questions.

thanks Fellas.

    Maverick_ · 12/02/2020 at 22:22

    This was unreal fun last year!
    Thanks for putting the time and effort in again Derek.
    Count me in! 🙂

    Russty_ · 12/02/2020 at 22:45

    Nice work again Derek, thanks for this… I'm going in now to division 1 🙂

    Derek · 12/02/2020 at 23:07

    I will put ‘FULL’ in the group title once it has 22 teams in it

    hedski · 12/02/2020 at 23:40

    Locked and Loaded in Div 1 Derek.
    Cheers for running this again, great concept.
    Are you doing the cash league again this season? <img draggable="false" role="img" class="emoji" alt="👍" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/12.0.0-1/svg/1f44d.svg"><img draggable="false" role="img" class="emoji" alt="🍻" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/12.0.0-1/svg/1f37b.svg"&gt;

      Derek · 13/02/2020 at 09:09

      No cash league this year

    Josh · 13/02/2020 at 06:16

    I’m in div 4 sounds like fun

    Jorg Ancrath · 13/02/2020 at 11:39

    Thanks Derek.

    The Ranger · 13/02/2020 at 14:19

    Onya Derek.

    gator59 · 13/02/2020 at 14:25

    Thanks for running this again Derek and I'm in … You're a true champ mate

    choppers · 13/02/2020 at 15:00

    Banchang Barflys are in…..Div3.

    Thanks for doing this Derek.
    Cheers

    The_Blacksheep · 13/02/2020 at 17:25

    Sounds like fun, cheers Derek. I am in group 5.

    COREYSC · 13/02/2020 at 20:58

    Awesome Derek, can’t wait for the season to get underway!

    Patch · 13/02/2020 at 22:06

    Gosh you're a good egg Derek

    Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 02:51

    I want you all to know that I intend to win the whole damn thing…and you can all eat my dust, unless I don't, in which case, forget what I said 😉

      derek · 14/02/2020 at 14:02

      Russty is in a feisty mood, must be getting closer to round 1.

    JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 12:49

    Giving it another go Derek, went into Div 5 yesterday, didn't look at the other divisions, thinking they would be full.

    derek · 14/02/2020 at 14:06

    it reminds me of a story:

    lek and Patch are walking in the forrest and meet a giant, hungry bear.

    Patch screams and lek calmly starts tying his shoelaces.

    Patch says to lek, 'what are you doing…. there is no way we can outrun a bear'

    lek replies, ' i don't need to out run the bear, i just need to be faster than you'

    JR Survivor, you don't need to be the best, just don't be the worst.

    Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 23:32

    Is it 22 including you Derek?…I think there's still 3 spots available in division 1

      Derek · 15/02/2020 at 11:57

      I’m not playing, but have to be there to administer.

      So each group should have 23 including the bunnies

    TOPHAWK1 · 15/02/2020 at 20:05

    I am going to have a crack this year Derek. Just entered group two. Cheers. TH

    Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 11:56

    I'm in you beautiful human

Josh · 13/02/2020 at 06:14

Theres a league any can join 362155

Jorg Ancrath · 13/02/2020 at 12:16

If you have the money, is Macrae the one or do we see more value/upside in Dunk/Bont?

    Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 02:56

    I think Macrae's still number 1 but Dunk and the Bont aren't too far away from dethroning him.

      Jorg Ancrath · 14/02/2020 at 06:39

      Who gets the tag? Dunkley ran rampant last year. Does he get more attention?

        The Ranger · 14/02/2020 at 12:25

        That's the one thing that's been holding me back from selecting him.
        Surely teams are going to put more work into him this year?

    Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 11:56

    Macrae still number 1

Chris · 13/02/2020 at 14:28

Some advice please. I cant split these players.

Sicily, Fyfe and Steven/smith
Vs
Lloyd, Oliver, Smith

Thanks to anyone in advance

    Lekdog · 13/02/2020 at 19:33

    Tough, I like 2 but Oliver is my addiction

      Chris · 13/02/2020 at 19:52

      Thanks Lek.
      I ended up finding the cash for Williams, Fyfe and Smith for the time being 🙂

    Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 02:55

    Lloyd Oliver Smith, Sicily and Fyfe more prone to injury and or suspension, Smith's in great physical shape this year and still 26, Steven suffers from depression and is 29 and making a comeback from depression so…Smith.
    They're actually very splittable, hope this helped.

Jess · 13/02/2020 at 23:18

Just a friendly word of optimism for the coaches out there sweating of finding rookies. The cheap rookies will come. Although it has been advised against, its not the worst option to take a last resort risk on whoever is named round one. I did so with Saad in his first year, when he want on anyones radar, and he scored a 78 average that year

    Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 11:58

    Yeah, just not a full back from St Kilda in Darragh Joyce haha

billioux · 14/02/2020 at 00:17

Thx Derek, i have joined, after i year in the wildness i look forward to some serious SC. 🙂

    Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 02:52

    I'll seriously look forward to you looking forward to some serious supercoaching…good to see you back billi

WTFoxtrot_58 · 14/02/2020 at 06:24

478222 code for JR Rabble…first in basis.

EndoftheWorld · 14/02/2020 at 08:58

Tell you what, if Rowbottom doesn't send the beastcalculator into a frenzy then ….
At training last week making JPK look skinny.

    NDD · 14/02/2020 at 11:02

    Just about to say the same.Swans have two standout midpricers Dawson and Rowbottom Taj Kennelly. says he will play most games and is a tackling beast. Last 12 games ave low 70's, not bad for a first year and hopefully will do a Clarry Slotted in at M6 and wont move. Amazing how this site and others have overlooked the kid or am I missing something 337K DPP. NDD

      Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 11:59

      Watching this space closely

      EndoftheWorld · 17/02/2020 at 12:20

      Definitely a high risk pick given the annoying price – but he could go bang. Will be watching. Can find it and give handballs in close, plus tackle. Can also kick a goal if in the area, or even if in another postcode like last year's goal of the year 🙂 80 meters if it was a yard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2kvcT-aHoo

    Captain_Risky · 14/02/2020 at 15:12

    Yes, looks good. in my fwd line.

JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 13:16

Anyone who joined my leagues Holy Grail and TheSonsOfAnarchy, I have a group you can join. Hip to be Square 812063

    Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 23:31

    I'm in Johnny

      JohnDJ59 · 15/02/2020 at 13:27

      Thanks Russty, it's actually Grahams ( Southern Tigers ) group, I was the first to join and there weren't a lot of takers, so I put it up in my leagues chat and here, so far Neil ( demons delight ), Hedski ( Fugg Nuggles ) and KeenButClueless ( Singapore Flyers ) and you have joined from here, I was hoping most of the players from each of my leagues would join, but I don't think many look at the chat, I'm talking on it all the time in my Jolly Roger League.

    Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 12:00

    In

      JohnDJ59 · 17/02/2020 at 14:18

      Welcome Lekdog, very happy to have you in the group.

JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 15:32

I'm having trouble deciding on my D1, I have Lloyd at the moment, but started with Williams, the $39,700 difference in price would be very handy. Who do you think I should go with. Plus, who would be a good replacement for Doc at D3, if he is looking iffy come round one.

    Derek · 14/02/2020 at 16:33

    Houston has not been in my team, but if he looks to be getting time in the guts, Gee wizz I might have to look at him at D3

      JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 16:38

      I was looking at the round 13 bye and it is a nightmare, I might have to replace Lloyd with Williams and Doc with Houston or Clark.

        Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 21:02

        Hi John, yeah my side's looking pretty bare for rd 13, 15 onfield if all my present rookies play, that will have to be a 3 trade week for sure! I think we need to start with Lloyd..set and forget type o guy.

          JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 21:26

          I've never seen anything quite like it, only 10 onfield for me, but then I don't usually look at it this far out. Anything 50/50 I might have to go for a player playing in round 13. What are you doing with your R2, I've had Max locked in since my first draft, but English might be a good fill in until round 14, then bring in Max after his bye.

            Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 21:32

            10?! that's amazing mate, might be time for a team restructure otherwise you'll plummet that week, at the moment I have Grundy Nicnat, had Jacobs for ages and then back to grawndy again haha, but I like the idea of batting 6 deep in the mids though, Worpel as my M6.
            If Nicnat stays on his big feet he'll be an easy transition to Maxy when the time comes, English could break out this year but also could not and then you're stuck with an 80's scoring guy not worth much.

              JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 21:51

              I'll probably be keeping Max, unless he doesn't get up for round one, that will be one trade saved, after last year I need to take that into consideration. I did play around with the team a bit, but I only ended up with two extra players for round 13, I might just have to think about that when I trade players in before the round 13 bye.

                Russty_ · 15/02/2020 at 00:07

                Yeah mate maybe follow Neil's philosophy of planning for your byes by trading in for the purpose of having 3 strong bye rounds, and the rest of the season of course. As I understood your philosophy, you don't like 2 of the same team players on the same line?…is it possible you have too many from the same team in your 30 though?
                If that's so, that's why I always try to maintain variety as much as possible, that way, the byes almost work themselves out.

                  JohnDJ59 · 15/02/2020 at 02:08

                  Hey Russty, my biggest total for one team at the moment is 4 from the Suns, Adel 3, Melb 3, Coll 2, Frem 2, GWS 2, North 2, Port 2, Rich 2, Syd 2, Bris 1, Carlt 1, Ess 1, Geel 1, St.K 1, WBD 1. So as you can see an even spread, just unlucky the way round 13 fell as far as the teams not playing goes.

              NDD · 14/02/2020 at 22:45

              evening fellas I didn't want to get stuck with a putrid opening bye like last year so have put the effort in to do a spread sheet including all my preferred trades to round 15.Lots of work but worth it. Results are a 15–13–14 keepers and cows ,who really wont be there. 8–4–6 meaning 23,17,20.What that means is i trade rookies in with 12 and 13 in mind Was looking at a 10 prems to 4 midprice ratio but trades wont allow that .The 14 mill Derek often speaks of is important also . You find if you leave your maths to the last 2 or 3 prems the figures are too high to achieve and you rely on one or 2 midpricers like Fisher to end it, Plan it early and stick to it Ideally if you. had 14 keepers on each bye with 4 best rooks you would tally around 1900 which is ok . Last year i started with 1100 then prems were rested or injured and it went south quickly ,not this year for me cheers boys my 2bobs worth. NDD

                Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 23:21

                Hi bud, that's some serious forward thinking I love it!…must admit I don't think too much about byes and usually my rank suffers for it, last year was the first time I averaged over 1900 for the 3 rounds and it helps a lot when a lot of others are going backwards.
                I know what ya mean about getting stuck at the end without a full premo team, that usually happens to me, it's the unexpected injury trades that throws the spanner in the works of our best laid plans.
                The last sentence was sponsored by Cliche House 🙂

                  NDD · 14/02/2020 at 23:46

                  Gat had that last year ,premo after premo going down and there's nothing you can do. unless you have trades ,like me he didn't and suffered. Most will have grawndy and 5 uber mids so both those lines is a waste of time trying wanna be premos. i cant see any olivers appearing. The M8 will be a BONT or Treloar type so getting anyone less ,like worpel is crazy unless you think he is another Oliver That leaves Def and Fwd and the worst D6 will be a daniel stewart type ,same with fwds worst an ablett so is there any sense getting a Smith type unless they are cash cows They have to be either keepers or cows

                    Russty_ · 15/02/2020 at 00:00

                    If you look at Dunkley's run home at the end of 2018 compared to Worpel's run home end of 2019 they're remarkably similar, and Dunks went from a 95 average to 116 the next year, that's what I'd be hoping for for Worpel, I know it's a risk but I think he's good enough to do it., I actually rate Tom Stewart as a top 3 defender too mate, I think he'll improve even more this season, he's a very solid and reliable player.
                    Are you picking Smith in your side?…I think he could be a keeper if he gets some midtime and stays fit…hoping anyway.

                    NDD · 15/02/2020 at 00:24

                    As good as Worpel will be he wont displace any of the top 10 mids and as i said Bont will be my last picked then you would still have Treloar and danger not in my top 8. Smith is the same, he needs to out do my final F8 Ablett and I can't see that. There is a good bunch of midpricers Houston Ryan Rowbottom Dawson Worpel etc but i can;t see any doing a zac williams not this year, the resident batch are too good . my mids will end up Macrae. Neale Cripps Fyfe Oliver Dunkley Tich and Bont then danger and Treloar missing out. Is a mccluggage or worpel or crouch going to displace any of these 10? It will be hard but that;s the game ,finding that POD that does like Zac Williams 2019 I am leaning to guns n rooks.

                    Russty_ · 15/02/2020 at 00:32

                    Yeah I see your point Neil, why take the risk when you don't have to..and apparently Titch had a great praccy match so I think I'll slot him back into my starters, Worps can wait until next year if he kills it this year, I do think he could become one of the greats though eventually, the best players improve really quickly and he's heading that way.

                    NDD · 15/02/2020 at 00:50

                    That's true and remember the mammoth curve players like Danger Ablett Rich will start to become your Heath Shaws and Simmos of today opening up spots for Worpel etc No one talks of shaw or simmo now and YOUR abletts will go. I think all those i mentioned are going to be real good for a long time but you never know one could pop up this year. I just wont take that chance.I rate Tich highly that's why there is no room for danger

              NDD · 14/02/2020 at 22:50

              Russty have another look at Max,s points you will quickly go back save elsewhere if need be worpel is sensible and is bye friendly not in my team yet

                Russty_ · 14/02/2020 at 23:23

                Yeah I know it ain't right Neil, not starting with Maxy..I'll probably come to my senses when it comes closer to the start.

                Derek · 15/02/2020 at 12:12

                Worpel is s good player. Without Titch last year someone had to get a boost.

JohnDJ59 · 14/02/2020 at 15:38

Hey Lekdog, the 10 commandments article was great, a very good read, every point was spot on.

    Lekdog · 17/02/2020 at 12:00

    Just saw this! Thanks mate!

      JohnDJ59 · 17/02/2020 at 14:28

      No worries Lek, you made it enjoyable to read as well as significant.

00P_s · 15/02/2020 at 12:41

A smokey to investigate or just put him in your team to see how it looks.
TDK= Tom De Koning was drafted with pick 30 in 2017 he would have gone much earlier if he hadn't been injured in July that year suffering a lacerated Kidney in a ruck contest, the word around Lygon St is that he's the new 'Blues Kruez'.

Debuted in round 22 of 2018 as a ruck/fwd against the doggies kicking his first career goal and scoring 58 SC points. Was all set for round 1 in 2019 but did a knee in the days before team selection.

The 203cm 97KG beast is only 20 years old and is amazingly nimble for a bloke his size often roving his own taps and breaking packs to kick goals. TDK loves to take a hanger and if you watch some VFL footage post round 10 last year you'll see that he flies as often as Liam Ryan.
This preseason TDK has been killing it, in match practise he's marked everything that came near him and smashed packs with the ferocity of a horny Rhino.

With no Charlie Curnow and doubts around McKay and McGovern being fit for round 1 I expect TDK to line up at FF. The only downside is Supercoach don't give him DPP despite his 2 afl games being played as a forward he is a 123k Ruck only.

He will make at least 100k in first 7-weeks at which point I might cash him in for a loopholer OR I might even keep him for bye coverage then pocket 150k

The Ranger · 15/02/2020 at 13:09

I like to think I'm reasonably good at trading my way thru the season but the last few years running I've had really bad starts and been way too far back after 5/6 rounds which leads to both burning thru trades and taking on riskier trades in order to try and make up ground.

I always aim for a G'n'R approach with a 3-5-2-3 keeper structure to start with but I'm considering starting more mid-pricers than usual in an attempt to miss out on the inevitable low scoring rookies,

I'd like to hear anyone's thoughts on how to go about getting a faster start.
If indeed, there is such a strategy…

    JohnDJ59 · 15/02/2020 at 14:31

    Hey Ranger, I'm not sure if I can help, since I tend to start slow and come storming home, last year I tried something different, but it didn't work, since I went down hill after the byes and then ran out of trades, which hasn't happened to me before. This year I'm only picking premos that I am happy with and going with a 2-5-2-2 keeper structure, my D3 and F3 will be mid priced players that could be stepping stones or keepers if they go alright. I think 3 rookies in defence and the midfield should be alright, but only 1- 2 in the fwd line.

      The Ranger · 15/02/2020 at 18:05

      Thanks John. I'm thinking I might try and go witb a mid-pricer at D3, D4, F3 and F4.

    Sam_01 · 15/02/2020 at 16:56

    Well ranger I’ll give you a scoop of my plan
    Starting 1 or 2 mid pricers and using them to a straight stepping stone to the bont after he gets deboered and sam Jacobs tag round 3 and 4 hopefully grab him before he plays the suns round 8 the sooner the better though

      The Ranger · 15/02/2020 at 18:06

      Yeah stepping stones is what I'm looking at Sam

    derek · 17/02/2020 at 17:36

    i don't think it is the rookies that cause the slow start.

    lately there has been only a few rookies who get a game round 1 (not like in the Suns, GWS and Essendon days). So most people have all the main ones. there are a few that get dropped after one or two games, but we all manage to sort out the rookies fairly quickly.

    We usually need to have 7-8 rookies on field to start. Stick to the shoal with the rookies.

    Last year i fell behind with my premium PODS. I had mundy, Merrett, MCrouch and Dusty as PODS, all had slow starts and anyone with Dunkley, Neale, Fyfe, Lloyd all had a flyer. Maybe 50-100 points different on the premiums.

    I paniced and traded out Mundy and Dusty early, both came good after that.

    derek · 17/02/2020 at 17:50

    i have been toying with the idea of batting deep in the guts. Coniglio at M6.

    the top 12 midfield, look a level ahead of the rest.

    Oliver is the 12th most expensive (take out Whitfield and replace with Coniglio) is my top 12.

    I have my doubts over Titch & JKelly's fitness, that leaves 10.

    i personally would just start with one Bulldog, so MaCrae gets nod ahead of Bont and Dunkley, leaves 8.

    Bit of talk with fyfe playing forward, happy to not start him.

    Toss a coin between trelour and cripps

    6 in the guts should give me a points boost, as long as the rookies are avaliable in the other line.

      The Ranger · 18/02/2020 at 07:26

      Yep, I've had a look at going six deep in the guts too Derek.
      I have to drop Gawn to NicNat and not have Rowell to get it done at the moment.
      It's tempting me but I'm wary of losing the cash generation that midfielders can provide.
      It does look good on paper tho.

TommyC99 · 15/02/2020 at 14:50

Hey guys, is anyone hesitant to pick Clarry because of the De Boer tag round 2? I was really big on him before SC opened but now im second guessing it. Am i silly for thinking that?

    JohnDJ59 · 15/02/2020 at 15:11

    I have Oliver as my M5, I did take him out after the article on taggers, but he's now back. I am thinking that if Titch looks alright for round one I might do a swap, plus Oliver has the round 13 bye, Titch doesn't, then get Oliver in round 14. Danger has the De Boer tag round one, so another one to think about.

    Sam_01 · 15/02/2020 at 16:53

    Can’t say I’ve ever considered him tommy, I won’t be selecting him

    Derek · 15/02/2020 at 18:58

    Oliver hasn’t left my team.

    After last years round 8 when I decided not to take Grundys 141 VC, but back Oliver to go better for C. Love child.

    SuperCoach just loves Oliver. But his 53 last year against GWS was a low point

      Jess · 15/02/2020 at 20:22

      Think we are spoilt for mid premiums this year, and if you can find the small amount of cash i reckon we have at least five players that can average 120+. Don't think Oliver will be there. I rate at least seven players ahead of him, so while he is underpriced, it couldbe worth spending the extra on Macrae, Neale, Cripps, one of Fyfe/J Kelly, Dunkley, Danger, or an on the park Titch. Only my opinion – he will improve, but i guess we will see just how much.

        Jess · 15/02/2020 at 20:25

        And i also want to note that five or so points a match can make all the difference. People are spending a fortune in other positions for players who will average just those five points higher. Reckon you would have to back Oliver in for around 115-120. But i know a lot of people are hot on him. He was originally my first picked, but theres just others i rate higher now

          Captain Redbeard · 16/02/2020 at 09:05

          I'm pretty much looking at those exact players Jess, but I rate Oliver & Neale about equal, so I'm picking Oliver instead.

        Moustachio · 17/02/2020 at 17:33

        Try sorting the midfielders by total points.

        Also, Oliver is still super young with more room to grow.

        derek · 17/02/2020 at 18:02

        i would have Oliver ahead of Dunkley, or at least equal, but Oliver is a bit cheaper.

        JKelly has an injury background, will be happy to not start him. GWS has a strong midfield and Kelly might find himself on the outside a bit to much with Hopper, Ward and Coniglio doing the inside work.

        After the top 10, there is a clear drop away to the next level that contains Merrett, Crouch, Zorko, Sloans etc etc

        I don't think any of these fellas will drop in value much, start with as many as you can. Is 6 too many?

        As long as there are rookies on the other lines, i'd prefer beef up the guts. there are the usual suspects on the other lines that could easy have a poor game of two and drop in price.

        will depend on the rookies.

TOPHAWK1 · 15/02/2020 at 15:50

OK Community! The Guns and Rookies league is back for 2020. If you are a serious supercoacher, you are welcome to join. Amateurs not tolerated! League code is 785719. Cheers, Tophawk

    Sam_01 · 15/02/2020 at 16:52

    I have hopped aboard hawk hope finishing in the top 100 qualifies for a spot

    hedski · 16/02/2020 at 12:09

    I'm in again TH, looking forward to it.

    Russty_ · 16/02/2020 at 18:20

    You left it a bit late mate, I knew I had one spare league left for a good reason 🙂
    I'm not really a serious Supercoacher but thought you needed a bit of glamour in your team lol

    Beezneez · 17/02/2020 at 10:39

    Hi Hawk, thanks for the invite. I had initially joined but have now left. I've decided to have a break from SC this year as too much happening to give the attention needed. So there will be one spot left in the league. Cheers and good luck.

Russty_ · 17/02/2020 at 02:13

Was watching the Firefight Australia benefit concert before and jeez Bakerboy was great, he is one funky dude and a guy with a great heart to boot ,donating his time like that, Grinspoon also rocked that early part of the show, makes me feel old I remember when they first started like it was yesterday, but it was 1995, where does 25 years go so fast?, good to know we're still producing great musicians though..and not just DJ's…well done to all the Artists donating their time for such a worthy and great cause.

    TRIGGA_HAPPY · 17/02/2020 at 10:57

    Well said.

    Onya fireies!

    Went into hell and faced the furnace.

    Going to see queen + Adam on Wed night. Should be a ripping show!

    Ol Brian can still make a guitar sing! 😉

derek · 17/02/2020 at 15:56

Jacobs is only $349k. That's not many dollars.

    redgumwon · 18/02/2020 at 11:45

    Derek check your Bunnie hotmail for draft league info

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