PODCAST | SuperCoach is open! We reveal our teams!

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SuperCoach returns for 2020! Big brain podcasters Lekdog, Damo & Patch obliterate each others teams in an attempt to make one another cry…just so they can hug it out at the end.

Leave your teams in the comments below!

Lekdog’s Team
Patch’s Team
Damo’s Team
FozDaddy’s Team

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FozDaddy Twitter: @mattforrest29


Bomberv56 · 21/01/2020 at 21:30

Looks like the Grundy – Gawn combination is going to be popular .

    Lekdog · 22/01/2020 at 09:25

    Until we get a reason to pick anyone else, they basically select themselves

      EndoftheWorld · 23/01/2020 at 19:19

      Naismith possibly back Rnd 1 for those wanting a cheap option and some cash generation for an upgrade down the line.

    derek · 22/01/2020 at 11:17

    64% Grundy, 42% Gawn.

    next best is Jacobs and NicNat at 12%, then Marshall at 6% owned

    where is all the love i was hearing for ROB?

      Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:06

      I love him, I want him, but he's not Gawn or Grundy… just yet.

    JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 13:24

    The only way to go, good C&VC options as well.

    Ando James · 26/01/2020 at 11:54

    So im toying with the idea of not starting M.Gawn and also D.Martin with the following reasoning.

    Martin is slow starter in SC and will require a 3 round avg of 108 to maintain his price. So i expect to get him later at a much chaper price as I see him averaging 100 up to the byes giving him an approximate score of 1300 to round 14. I believe he will 100% be a top 6% FWD and will bring him in as one of my first upgrade targets at his bottom price. I will replace Martin with J.Steven saving me $307K. With Steven potentially averaging 85 netting 1105 up to round 14, requiring 195 to be found elsewhere.

    Gawn I do believe he will average 125 up to the bye so starting without him there needs to be good reasoning. If I did go down this path he will be replaced with S.Jacobs saving me $348k allowing me to use that elsewhere to compensate for the points difference between Gawn and Jacobs. I believe Jacobs will average 85 up to the by which is where i will replace him for Gawn. Approximate scoring u to round 14 for Gawn would be 1625 and Jacobs 1105, requiring 510 to be found.

    Having Jacob and Steven will require a total of 705 points to be found elsewhere.

    With the $ savings of having both Steven (+$307k) and Jacobs (+348k) i would use that to go 6 premo deep into the mids swapping a $123k rookie averaging 60 (780 points to round 14) with J.Kelly who i expect will average 125 to round 14. Kelly’s expected score would net 1625 witch is an increase over the $123k rookie of 875 points.

    This thought will gain me 130 points over starting Martin and Gawn. Sure i will need to make 2 trades to get Martin and Gawn back in but i will only need 2 premo’s to get full premo midline and will be 130 points ahead of the curve…


    *calculated everything to round 14 as both Gawn and Martin have a round 14 bye having all players playing 13 games.

      Jays den · 28/01/2020 at 19:35

      Like your idea, but leave Fawn-Gawn out, look for coin instead. Consider yourselves lucky with him teaking. His a has been -a busted case

Bombers56 · 21/01/2020 at 21:32

A serious question.
At this time of the year do really just select the premium players you want and just put rookies in as placeholders?

    Steeeve · 21/01/2020 at 23:20

    I do, and I choose 123k rookies so I can be sure my team is affordable

    Russty_ · 22/01/2020 at 00:57

    It can't hurt to do some research on your prospective rooks to see what age and size they are, and view their highlights packages to see if their playing style impresses you…also what the sport media is saying about whether they think they might get early games or not.

    Lekdog · 22/01/2020 at 09:25

    Some of my rookies I think will play, a bunch are just placeholders…probably should leave some more cash for the expensive ones

    derek · 22/01/2020 at 11:32

    the last few years there hasn't been as many rookies.

    over the last 6 or 7 years, we have been blessed with SUNS and GWS giving us rookies, then Essendon saga and Port's rebuild playing plenty of cheap players.

    I think we will have a limited few rookies playing round 1, meaning that most people will have very similar rookies in the starting teams.

    The tough bit is knowing what non-midfield rookies there will be. This will determine the structure of your team.

    I like to read as much as i can about the rookies (the guns we already know about) to know where the numbers will be.

    it is also important to know if a rookie gets a game early because of an injury to another player who will be back soon, look at JS of the rookies, might have to pay a few dollars extra for that.

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:07

    Mix of both. Some of them look to be guys you'd lock in – i.e. Gould or Pickett – but in some respects you know they'll change so use a lot of placeholders.

Maverick_ · 21/01/2020 at 21:34

Why all with Devon Smith and none with Steven?
What do you 3 blokes know that your not telling us………

I got a gut feeling Smith will be a trap his midfield minutes won’t be there this year like 2018. I am probably wrong but just got this gut feel He’s gonna disappoint, but happy to be wrong.

    JR_Damo · 21/01/2020 at 21:38

    We talked about Jack Steven last week, and I said that there was definitely value in him but I wasn't confident he'd return to a premium output.

    I really hope that Devon Smith shows something in the pre-season competition because he'll be an easy out for me.

      Maverick_ · 21/01/2020 at 22:13

      Fair call damo..
      I’ll back in Steven to comfortably out score smith by seasons end 🙂

        Lekdog · 22/01/2020 at 09:27

        I'm basically backing Essendon to play Smith as a tackling machine again this year, any doubt and he goes to a Brayshaw or Steven

zinger · 21/01/2020 at 21:51

No Rowell after no Walsh burned y'all last year? OH NO BABY WHAT IS YOU DOIN

    JR_Damo · 21/01/2020 at 23:15

    Some people build a team of rookies and select premos to go around them, some people build a team of premos and select rookies to go around them. If you think rookies are more important than the more often reliable premos then Rowell will probably be in your starting side.

    I didn't start Sam Walsh last year, but I wouldn't say it burned me.

      Russty_ · 22/01/2020 at 01:28

      So….the question was, "what is you doin" which isn't really a question or English, and the answer is he's not picking Rowell and so what if he isn't? You and your mate are the ones making a big deal out of it.
      Maybe chill out and respect other people's choices.

    Jorg_Ancrath · 22/01/2020 at 09:28

    Not sure Walsh burned anyone who didn't have him. There were a lot of players with good cash generation who were cheaper. I had him, for the record.

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:08

    I'VE GONE WITH ROWELL! I don't want to get burned!

happylab400 · 21/01/2020 at 22:13

Dan Houston will be the jack crisp of 2020

    JR_Damo · 21/01/2020 at 23:15

    Why do you say that?

      happylab400 · 22/01/2020 at 01:39

      Will be one of those who show promise but always hover over the sub 500k mark. He only averaged 95 odd playing full time midfield and with competition from rozee and butters, its hard to see him improve drastically

        Maverick_ · 22/01/2020 at 01:58

        averaged close to 106 in the midfield

    Steeeve · 21/01/2020 at 23:21

    Except nobody expected Crisp to play midfield…

    Lekdog · 22/01/2020 at 09:36

    I don't expect him to be in my round 1 side but you gotta follow the preseason hype!

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:10

    Fully prepared for that to happen – since recording I'm cooling on him with Voss talking about having 10-12 blokes rotating through the midfield.

Jorg_Ancrath · 22/01/2020 at 09:01

I want to pick Lloyd but he's so darn expensive. Talk me out of it …

    Lekdog · 22/01/2020 at 09:36

    You'll get him cheaper 6 weeks in…but can you make up the missed points?

    derek · 22/01/2020 at 11:44

    just put him in

    GreendaleFC · 22/01/2020 at 12:50

    I want to talk you into it. Expensive is good. Means you can get more money making rookies in your team.

      Jorg_Ancrath · 22/01/2020 at 15:45

      Yea I'm going pure GnRs this year. Messed about with mid pricers last year and it hurt me.

    Holty01 · 22/01/2020 at 18:33

    Him and Doc are the first selected in my backline.

    EndoftheWorld · 24/01/2020 at 22:50

    A few more potential ball carriers into the team with decent disposal this year with Gould, Stephens, Lewy Taylor. McInerney a year older's potential is rated highly. Even Ling might finally be over the injuries. Cunningham should be back too. Certainly won't be as reliant on Lloyd being one of very few options.
    Naismith's return means we might not have to rely on slingshot footy from the back end after losing the tap and clearance as much.

    Plenty of reasons to think twice on such a high cost defender.
    I've talked myself out it anyways. 😉

      general · 28/01/2020 at 14:15

      Have lost jones and mcveigh……….

    JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 00:27

    I've had him in my side at the start the last two years, but he did trail off a bit near the end last year, I won't be paying top dollar first up this year.

TRIGGA_HAPPY · 22/01/2020 at 09:45

Nice work fellas.
3 Very different teams there.

Lek has gone for value in defense and up forward with a powerful midfield.

Patch has gone for power up forward, value in defense and backing in the rooks to score the most in the midfield.

Damo – more cookie cutter with the exception of home grown talent in brayshaw up fwd.

Every team has simpson from the cats in the mids (infact damo has him on deck) – tell me a story fellas – have I missed something
here? I would think constable would get first crack in the mids?

Maybe it is in the podcast as I am yet to have a listen?

Looks like Grawndy is the way to go,
But sauce is real value if he can get his tapwork to the Ferrari engine room below, he was always a good tap to advantage ruckman.

So I'll leave you with this one to get the creative juices flowing.

You can select Gawn and say Bonar
Jacobs and Dusty.

    JR_Damo · 22/01/2020 at 12:11

    I'll take more risks closer to round 1, I'm sure, but Simpson won the Cats VFL B&F and they love to promote their own players.

      TRIGGA_HAPPY · 23/01/2020 at 09:18

      no offence

      I meant cookie cutter in terms of setup not players which is a good thing 🙂

        Jess · 23/01/2020 at 20:23

        Trigga. You need gawn and grundy in the same way you need four of the top mids over the likes of the many midfielders who average 90-100. Jacobs is past his prime, which was still well below grawndy's output, so you will be losing points all year in the ruck

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:11

    Gawn and Bonar. Get Jacobs the hell away from my side.

    Simpson's one of those early ones – we certainly can't lock him in just yet

GreendaleFC · 22/01/2020 at 12:46

Really think anyone without Rowell is making a big mistake. I said the same for Walsh in the preseason last year. Stephen Wells (Geelong recruiting manager) said that Rowell would have been getting games at Geelong in 2018 if possible, and that he would have played every game for them in 2019. Now consider that Geelong has been a flag contender the last two years with one of the best midfields in the comp, and you'll realise how high that praise on Rowell is.

Here's my team:

DEF: Lloyd, Sicily, Docherty, Roberton, Starcevic, Ling, (McLennan, Gould)

MID: Macrae, Neale, Oliver, Steven, D.Smith, Rowell, Cockatoo, Pickett, (McHenry, Valente, Rivers)

RUC: Grundy, Gawn, (Draper)

FOR: Whitfield, Martin, Heeney, Petracca, S.Hill, Rankine, (E.Smith, Cavarra)

Petracca is my only real POD, he's been getting lots of praise over preseason and will be getting some midfield time this year. Also I just expect the Dees to be far better this year, which should lead to more points.

Other years I've had loophole players at R3, but that burned me last year by missing out on ROB. I expect Draper to get games at some stage this season and I expect him to score reasonably well when he does.

Players currently at the top of my watchlist are T.Mitchell, T.Williamson, Andy Brayshaw, H.Young, and A.Bonar.

    dontblushbaby · 22/01/2020 at 22:05

    Like the Petracca pick, he reminds me of Dusty in his early years, puppy fat and didn't have a tank to run out a game, new fitness coach . look out imo

      Jess · 23/01/2020 at 20:14

      If petracca played more midfield than forward, then he could push 100.

      I dont think he will, so i guess its a wait and see but a big no from me otherwise.

      Moreover, steven and smith in the midfield is ridiculous. Get the good midfielders or you will have a very bad year.

      Your rookies look perfect pending playing.

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:12

    Agreed re: Rowell.

    Get Dev Smith forward – no reason to have him in the midfield. I'm not sold on Truck but happy to be proven wrong.

Brock · 22/01/2020 at 14:26

Good teams fellas! Good start!

Here's my first crack at my team for 2020:

Backs: B.Houli, Z.Williams, Docherty, H.Young, T.Bianco, W.Gould – 2 Rooks on the bench
Mids: L.Neale, J.Dunkley, P.Dangerfield, C.Oliver, T.Kelly, M.Rowell, M.Pickett, H.Scheonberg – 3 Rooks on the bench
Rucks: B.Grundy, M.Gawn, S.Draper
Fwds: L.Whitfield, D.Martin, I.Heeney, S.Hill, N.Cockatoo, I.Rankine – 2 Rooks on the bench

Thinking with Bachar, Tiges have 10 of the first 13 at the G' and thats his favourite venue, and also can't see many others taking points off him.

Also T.Kelly sitting under Nic Nat sounds ridiculous.

    DavidC · 23/01/2020 at 07:30

    Houli had his best season ever last year but still only played 19 matches. Last 4 years he's played 19, 13, 18, 12 games. Big no for me.

      Jess · 23/01/2020 at 20:08

      Yeah Houli will fall off. Hurn is even a better option.

      Think theres a few guns in the midfield you might need, but it could work out. Everywhere else is good, but if Heeney plays fwd who knows what he will score.

      Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:15

      Last year the appeal was the run of games at the 'G… this might be the same…. hmmm.

      Love you've gone Draper. Not sure if he'll play before the bye but when he does I'll jump on.

Tom · 22/01/2020 at 14:58

Thoughts?? Blake acres getting more midfield time appeals to me as he’s proven he can score in the midfield.
Still considering my backline structure, with doedee and Houston in the back of my mind….
Hate and love this game!

Def: Williams, Sicily, doch, roberton, young, Gould // McLennan, rivers
Mid: macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, danger, acres, Rowell, pickett, hibberd // McHenry, philp, mead
Ruck: Grundy Gawn // conroy
Fwd: Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith, hill, rankine // Cameron, king

    Jess · 23/01/2020 at 20:02

    Nar drop acres fast.

    He averaged 70 last year. He would need to improve by at least 30 points for me to consider him in the mids. It just wont happen.

    Backline is a risk and could fall apart easily. Big risj va reward.

    Perfect everywhere else, including the rookies.

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:16

    Rate the backline, don't like Acres as a section. Just not sure on him at this stage, but willing to change my mind when we see him on the park.

Jorg_Ancrath · 22/01/2020 at 15:47

Anyone ever looked at the stats to whether captaincy increases SC output? Got Cogs and the Bont on my radar.

    NoLanguage96 · 24/01/2020 at 23:42

    Got both in my side 🙂

Jacko · 22/01/2020 at 17:52

DEF: Lloyd, Williams, Docherty, Doedee, S Hill, Gould
MID: Macrae, Cripps, Dangerfield, Oliver, Wines, Rowell, McHenry, Pickett
RUCKS: Grundy, Gawn
FWD: Whitfield, Martin, B Smith, Cockatoo, Rankine, King

    Jess · 23/01/2020 at 19:58

    Hate the wines pick sorry.

    All else is good. Not sure if lloyd will improve so could be worth using the cash from him and upgrading wines. Even if you dropped cockatoo or rowell, find the $ to upgrade wines. He just isnt proven

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:19

    B Smith or D Smith up forward?

    Don't mind the Wines pick early!

Holty01 · 22/01/2020 at 18:46

Just sent a invite out to all the involved in my league last year (Lek&Patch’s rabble). Be great if you could all rejoin as it was a very competitive league.

    Mighty Chungus · 23/01/2020 at 08:29

    Smoove Jimmy's League of the Week:

      Holty01 · 23/01/2020 at 09:49


      Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:19

      Oooooo that's a smooth league alright

Defying_Madness · 22/01/2020 at 22:13

Looking to get back into some of the more competitive leagues with more active community members. Was in a bunch of them in 2018 but signed up late in 2019 and missed a bunch of them. Cheers and looking forward to a big year for supercoach.

    JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 13:39

    Hi DM, I have two that the community are joining. Holy Grail 681342 and TheSonsOfAnarchy 474982

      JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 20:25

      No worries Holty01, I had you named in the invite that I put out in Team Picker.

      JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 20:55

      Good timing Holty01, Holy Grail is now full.

        Defying_Madness · 25/01/2020 at 10:53

        Cheers, I joined TheSonsOfAnarchy but seems I missed joining Holy Grail in time.

          JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 11:57

          Hi DM, good to see you made it in to one of them, both are top leagues, Holy Grail filled up within a day of posting, so quite a few that I sent invites out to missed out,11 in total, there were a few that joined that I didn't know, but that is going to happen when you put a code out there.

      silversovereign · 25/01/2020 at 22:09

      Ok if I jump in sons of anarchy John?

        JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 22:37

        Sorry Silver, not just yet, there are only two spots left and I am still waiting on a few that I invited. Thanks for asking though and not just jumping in. I do have another one that hardly anyone has turned up to if you are interested, Rogue Traders 519487

          silversovereign · 26/01/2020 at 13:49

          Ok no worries

            JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 16:49

            Welcome to Rogue Traders, Silver and if anyone else would like to join, could you please let me know on this thread.

TOPHAWK1 · 22/01/2020 at 22:28

Hi Community!

If you had to chose, who would you pick at M5?

Ollie Wines or Hugh Mc Cluggage?

Damn tough call that one.

    Russty_ · 22/01/2020 at 23:18

    Hey TH, I'd go McCluggage cause I reckon he's gonna be a star, he should crack over the 100 av this season, it's just how much over that'll make you decide whether he stays or gets replaced.

      TOPHAWK1 · 23/01/2020 at 10:55

      I really like Mc suitcase too. Have a feeling he is going to be like Dunkley this year. He could be my one and only midfield POD if I decide to start him this season. Cheers Russty!

        Maverick_ · 23/01/2020 at 12:11

        Mccluggage for me More upside with mcClugg & his yet to truly breakout & he will go 100+.. Ollie good for 95-100 avg and that’s about all.

    TRIGGA_HAPPY · 23/01/2020 at 08:15


      TOPHAWK1 · 23/01/2020 at 10:56

      Yep Trigga. Agreed. Reckon he will become uber premo in 2020.

    Holty01 · 23/01/2020 at 10:23

    Probably McCluggage. Although I assume your forward and backline is stronger then mine as I have Danger at M5

      TOPHAWK1 · 23/01/2020 at 10:59

      Hi Holty. I am still pondering whether to start with Mc Cluggage or get my side rolling with a hardcore GNR team structure this year. The suitcase is definately my favourite POD midfield option at the moment. Cheers mate! TH

    NoLanguage96 · 24/01/2020 at 23:43

    McGluggage for sure! In my side as M5 atm

    JohnDJ59 · 08/02/2020 at 13:32

    Hi Hawk, I'm seriously thinking of swapping Oliver for McCluggage at M5, with Oliver being a upgrade target before the byes.

Will · 22/01/2020 at 23:39

Would appreciate your thoughts on my team,

DEF: Sicily, Houston, Doch, Hill, Young, McLennan + rooks
MID: Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Kelly, Oliver, Rowell, Pickett, Hibberd + rookies
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy + rookie
FWD: Whitfield, Dusty, Steven, Smith, Rankine, King + rookies

$22k in bank. Not sure whether to start a Doedee/ Roberton

    TOPHAWK1 · 23/01/2020 at 18:16

    Nice team Will. Very similar to my side. I like the Houston pick. He is going to run riot in the Port midfield this year. Kid is a gun! I chose Doedee ahead of Roberton. His ticker worries me as it’s an issue/condition which may never come fully right. Robbo is just too risky for me to start with. Go well in season 2020! 💪

      Will · 23/01/2020 at 20:08

      Cheers mate you too!

Mighty Chungus · 23/01/2020 at 08:33

Do yourself a favour and join Smoove Jimmy's League of the Week:

Philly · 23/01/2020 at 11:36

So the general consensus is that Cameron will take Mason's spot, or is he more a place holder? Remember, Cameron couldn't even get a game for Sydney who are worse than Collingwood

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:21

    Very unsure at the moment Philly. Might depend on how Mase's eye comes up? Won't be playing R1, that's for sure.

Daniel · 23/01/2020 at 11:45

First attempt for the new Supercoach Season. Would love some feedback from the community.

Here's my team:

DEF: Williams, Laird, Docherty, Roberton, Young, Gould, (Bianco, Rivers)

MID: Macrae, Fyfe, Jelly, Cripps, Danger, Rowell, Pickett, Hibberd (Simpson, Schoenberg, North)

RUC: Grundy, Gawn, (Comben)

FOR: Whitfield, Martin, Smith, S.Hill, Rankine, King (Cameron, Taheny)

    JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 17:09

    I'd have Oliver ahead of Kelly and I'm not sure about Roberton

      Jess · 23/01/2020 at 19:45

      No. Kelly is better than Oliver and a solid pick

        JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 20:27

        When he's playing maybe, at least Oliver gets on the field.

          Daniel · 24/01/2020 at 08:56

          I had Oliver last season and he was very frustrating. He can be an option if he can get that consistency back.

            JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 12:32

            He was a bit up and down, 4 scores under 90 and 4 over 130, so not his usual consistent self, but I would prefer that to a player who has only played 14 and 15 games the last two seasons.

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:22

    Last year there was a big question over having both Jelly and Fyfe and I reckon this year's the same – you can't have both as they're too injury prone.

    The rest of it looks very solid mate.

      Daniel · 24/01/2020 at 08:55

      Just hoping Jelly has a good run with injuries. If he can stay on the ground he is easily a top 6 mid by seasons end.

HarryH76 · 23/01/2020 at 13:48

Seems much love for Houston but are his numbers any better than DBJ? Look at his back half of the season- 103 avg if take out the North game

    TOPHAWK1 · 23/01/2020 at 18:08

    I like Houston as he has been training the house down with the midfield group at Port. I reckon his price at $484K is sensational with the DEF/MID swing with Rivers one of my mid rooks. If Hinkley decides to run Houston down back come the preseason then Sicily might replace him come round one. Right now Houston locked at D2.

      Jess · 23/01/2020 at 19:41

      IMHO, i just dont think Houston is good a enough of a player to star, regardless of midfield time.

      I simply dont rate him. There are a lot of players that get mid time and still dont score well, and I think he is one. We will see

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:24

    Very hard to tell this early on mate. DBJ with 20 more games under the belt could work in his favour, but I couldn't let you know without seeing them in action. Depends on who gets more mid minutes, but one to keep an eye on.

JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 13:50

My first serious go at my team. You will notice I have Whitfield in the mids, that is so I can swing him with Dusty if needed. I did have Cripps in the mids but decided to go with Dusty in the fwd line instead. Def: Williams, Laird, Dawson, Doc, Young, Starcervich. ( Rivers, Gould ) Mids: Fyfe, Dunkley, Danger, Whitfield, Oliver, Rowell, McHenry, Pickett. ( Robertson, Bianco, Mead ) Rucks: Grundy, Gawn. ( Comben ) Fwds: Dusty, Steven, D.Smith, S.Hill, Rankine, M.King. ( Cameron, Worrell )

    Russty_ · 23/01/2020 at 13:56

    Hi John, solid side mate, I've also toyed with the idea of starting Whitfield in the mids, just to have 2 swingers starting there and not have t use a 500k-ish mid but I think I might be starting with Worpel so Whit goes back to the fwd line.
    You should have a good solid start to the season with a team like that bud.

      JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 14:11

      Hi Russty. I had Whitfield as F1 in my first draft two days ago, I also wanted Dusty, but couldn't afford the two of them in the fwd line. So I thought, I'm looking at swing players in the rookies, so why not the premos. Then I had the problem of which player to drop from my five mid premos. Cripps was a bit up and down last season, so he went. When I look at my five mid premos it sure is a bit different to what I was thinking at the end of last season. If Worpel was still a mid/fwd, he would have been my first picked in the fwd line.

    JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 21:17

    Looks a good team Holty, same structure as me 3,5,2,3. The main thing is we pick the premos we are happy with, then the rookies we think might get a game come round one. I keep looking at my team and even though having Whitfield and Dusty as a swing makes sense to me , it just doesn't look right.

    Derek · 23/01/2020 at 23:02

    What do you like with Dawson?

      JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 00:16

      Hi Derek, I mainly picked Dawson for his price and the fact he's a DPP that I can swing between the def and fwd lines. I could swap him for Stewart before round one if I think it won't work out.

        derek · 24/01/2020 at 13:26

        can't see him improving much. won't get any midfield time.

        i'm not seeing Laird in many teams

          JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 15:06

          Hi derek, I didn't think Dawson was a midfielder, more of a defender or fwd, I had him there so I only had to field two rookies in the back line, but I've changed it now and gone for a guns and rookies structure and he is no longer in my team. I'll put the new one up. My only concern now is having 9 rookies on field.

            Derek · 24/01/2020 at 15:12

            Rookies will be light on this year.

            Let’s hope we get enough good ones.

            I’m not too concerned. Everyone will have the same rookies

TOPHAWK1 · 23/01/2020 at 17:58

OK community. It’s getting serious now. Here is my current side:

DEF: Lloyd, Houston, Docherty, Doedee, Starcevich, Williamson, Gould (Bianco, Worrell)

MID: Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Dangerfield, Oliver, Rowell, M.Pickett, Mc Henry (Rivers, Robertson, M.Hibberd)

RUC: Grundy, Gawn (Mc Comben)

FWD: Whitfield, D.Martin, J.Steven, S.Hill, Cockatoo, Rankine (M.King, Phillips)

I am looking at a strong GNR team structure, with the midfield and the ruck as the major points driver to get off to a strong start.

Thoughts on my side? Cheers community.

    Jess · 23/01/2020 at 19:35

    Love it TopHawk :). Obviously because we are similar.

    I have gone with Daniel (possible sicily) over Houston but understand the pretty warranted hype.

    Have also gone Dunkley over Oliver, but would have loved to squeeze Oliver in. Both will progress, and imo any progression from dunkley = must have.

    Only other difference is the rookies. I cant fit Williamson or Cockatoo in yet, but if they look set to fire i will find the $ for them. Not too keen on both atm.

    Think this structure is really solid

    KeenButClueless · 23/01/2020 at 20:24

    Hi TH

    I did some analysis that made me rethink Fyfe and Cripps.

    If you assume they will miss only 2 weeks, which is pretty much their track record, and compare it to a lower average, but more durable, this is how it looks

    Dunkley 22 games 2562 ave 116.5
    Fyfe 20 games 2400 ave 120

    Therefore, you would need a bench rookie to score 162 – ave 81 to end up as the same points

    Treloar 22 games 2495 ave 113.4
    Cripps 20 games 2342 ave 117.1

    Again, you need 153 ave 76.5 to end up as the same points.

    These have to be bench rookies, not onfield rookies.

    I think this sways the choice back to the slightly cheaper premos

    This doesn’t even address the issue that Fyfe has signaled that he would spend more time forward, and that the young guns would be doing more heavy lifting the midfield. I think there are signs that Cripps may do the same. In any event, I wouldn’t be thinking that there would be significant upsides to the scoring potential of either. Can include Danger in that conversation.

    There does seem to be an upside In Dunkley, given the start to last season was in the forward line. Maybe an upside to Treloar if he keeps improving his DE.

    Anyway, just preseason rambling. Too much thinking this time of year!

      Holty01 · 23/01/2020 at 20:49

      Very good points here Keen but don’t forget the Captaincy selection either. Cripps and Fyfe are major captaincy considerations, the others not so much.

        KeenButClueless · 23/01/2020 at 21:20

        Hi Holty

        Yes, I was presuming that Grundy and Gawn would be the primary VC and C options. Will be worth seeing how many times Fyfe and Cripps play before Grundy as a VC option.

        I was interested to see that Cripps beat 130 6 times. Fyfe only once – with a 133. Whilst I have shared the idea that Fyfe is a major VC/C option, maybe we need to rethink that.

          KeenButClueless · 23/01/2020 at 21:24

          Dunkley beat 130 7 times, Treloar 4 times

            JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 21:36

            You can add Oliver to that list, 4 times over 130 last season.

          JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 21:51

          Fyfe went over 130 six times last year. 147 R1, 133 R8, 145 R11, 147 R15, 154 R17, 145 R21

            KeenButClueless · 23/01/2020 at 22:03

            Sorry. I must have looked at his fantasy scores.

            To round out my hypothesis, if you used either of them 4 times, and they yielded 20 extra points as a VC/C, then that’s an extra 80 points.

            That would mean, that a bench rookie would still need to average around 40 to even the points. Let’s say they can average 55. That’s an extra 30 points per player, 60 points in total. That means you are spending around 50k for 60 points.

            Whilst we might have different views, my feeling is that’s a best case scenario for Cripps and Fyfe versus Dunkley and Treloar.

            And then there’s the byes…,. 🙂

              JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 00:21

              Who would you have as your top 5 mids to start with Keen, if you don't think Fyfe and Cripps should be there.

                KeenButClueless · 24/01/2020 at 00:28

                Hi John

                I have Macrae, Neale, Dunkley, Treloar and Oliver.

                Torn between Treloar and Danger (and maybe Bont for the bye structure)

                I think it stands up as a midfield.

                I have 10 legit premos, 2 fallen premos and 2 breakout gambles.

                  JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 00:42

                  I thought you might have the top two, Macrae and Neale, but I wasn't expecting Treloar. I'm looking at Fyfe, Cripps, Dunkley, Danger, Oliver. I didn't look at Macrae, since I don't like more than one player from a club on each line. Neale will be my first upgrade in the mids. I like the Bont, but having Dunkley in the mids this year and not the fwd line, rules him out for me.

                    Derek · 24/01/2020 at 13:07

                    Dangerfield (no kelly) was near to my first pick this year

      derek · 24/01/2020 at 13:19

      if you use that logic, of factoring in games missed, you wouldn't have Whitfield in the forward line

        KeenButClueless · 24/01/2020 at 14:05

        The difference with Whitfield is the gap between him and the other forwards.

        Whitfield 16 games 1780 Ave 111.3
        Walters 22 games 2216 Ave 100.8

        That means you need 336 from 6 games 56 ave

        Even though this is still no good thing from a forward bench rookie, it feels more acceptable to me. If Whitfield goes more than 16 games, then you are well in front. Hoping that 17-18 games is not too much to ask!

          Derek · 24/01/2020 at 15:14

          Whitfield is a lock

            KeenButClueless · 24/01/2020 at 15:30

            Agreed! I just wanted to look at things through a different lens in preseason to try to avoid cognitive bias and herd mentality. Everyone has a very similar team, so I am thinking that small differences in the starting 5 mid premiums might be a factor. Plus a POD – either a selection or a non selection.

            With cognitive bias. I think most people would think that Heeney was a safe choice as a F2/3 selection, but Billings would be highly risky. I am sure we will see teams with Heeney, but probably none with Billings. For last season, Heeney only scored 4 points for the year more than Billings. In terms of total points, they are effectively equal. If we think StKilda might improve next year, you could possibly make a case for Billings ahead of Heeney. But would any of us pick Billings ahead of Heeney? I think not!

            I have been so mediocre or even poor at this game, that I really want to try to look at it a bit differently. So far I am still largely cookie cutter, with the exception of no Fyfe or Cripps, but I will keep trying to explore things and see if I can’t improve!

              JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 15:42

              I like your thinking Keen, I had Billings last year and I wasn't disappointed with him, low expectations I guess, but I did trade out Heeney early and I wasn't sad that I did, I won't be starting with either this year.

                Derek · 25/01/2020 at 09:38

                Both are far to expensive

                  JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 12:08

                  Derek there is a spot waiting for you in TheSonsOfAnarchy 474982 if you want to join.

      KeenButClueless · 25/01/2020 at 23:37

      That’s a great and helpful analysis. Thanks for that. I think my hypothesis confirmed in my mind that reliability was a strong factor in choosing between premos when there is only a few points in average between them. You are right, I need to rethink Treloar. Will possibly be Macrae, Neale, Dunkley, Danger and Oliver. Still feeling like I want to leave out Fyfe and Cripps, which I think would be a POD.

      TOPHAWK1 · 26/01/2020 at 10:29

      Thanks Keen!! I like your reasoning. Fyfe is always high risk of missing a few games. He has also had significant surgery in the off season, so he may be eased into it at the start of the season. Like you say, spend more time up forward with the young mids doing more of the work in the guts. My will side see plenty more changes before round one. Its about as certain as death and taxes! Cheers Keen.

    Maverick_ · 24/01/2020 at 22:15

    Your every chance for the 50k TH you’ll be very difficult yo beat with 9 players down back 🙂

    In all seriousness though nice side mate I think we have 3 players different at this point.

    Cripps -> Dunkley
    Lloyd -> laird
    Doedee -> Roberton
    Few different rookies on the pine but there all place holders.

    Can’t wait for Marsh series so many cookie cutter teams out there hopefully pre season sets teams apart.

      TOPHAWK1 · 26/01/2020 at 10:37

      Hehehehe! Good spot Maverick! I think Williamson might have to be culled down back! LOL Rory Laird is an interesting one. I guess you have gone to him purely because he represents much better value for money than Lloyd? Laird for mine was really up and down last year, but with Doedee coming back, he could just jump back up to those 2017-18 type averages. I do like Laird as I have owned him a lot over the years. Definately on the radar mate. Cheers. TH

    JohnDJ59 · 28/01/2020 at 22:59

    Hey Tophawk I have opened up a spare spot in Holy Grail League 681342, if you are interested let me know.

EndoftheWorld · 23/01/2020 at 18:55

Can anybody remind me how I recreate the league I set up previously and send out invites?
Cannot for the life of me see how. Don't see the option in an obvious spot.

Jock's Jock League needs to live again.

    JohnDJ59 · 23/01/2020 at 21:22

    There should be an option just above your leagues.

      EndoftheWorld · 24/01/2020 at 12:34

      There isn't though 🙁 Perhaps I accidently signed in as a newby not an old one – but I would have thought they'd recognize my email address….

    EndoftheWorld · 24/01/2020 at 22:34

    Well that's weird – the button turned up right where it should be.
    Maybe SC had an issue with my browser now fixed.

      JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 00:00

      Good to hear it all worked out for you EOTW

Jess · 23/01/2020 at 19:25

Am I the only person who thinks Doedee has every chance of averaging 90 + for the year?

I know he is more a key defender, but he is a gun interceptor and I think he has generally progressed with age. To those who are keenly against Doedee, what would he have to average for you to be interested?

    Holty01 · 23/01/2020 at 20:02

    I think everyone will start Docherty so having Doedee as well is a huge risk imo. Having 2 blokes coming back from serious injuries both in the backline could cause you serious trouble. Plus how many mid pricers can you start before it’s called madness? Stevens, Smith etc.

    Patch · 23/01/2020 at 20:26

    We mentioned him during the Adelaide pod – I reckon 90 is unlikely but certainly not out of reach. One to watch preseason but I'm heavily considering him.

      Jess · 23/01/2020 at 21:52

      I listened to the podcast but we will differ on that one patch. Time will tell

    Russty_ · 23/01/2020 at 22:03

    It's hard to say whether he can or can't achieve that 90 average Jess, his 2018 was quite inconsistent but much better than we expected for a rookie. I've had him in and out of my side with no clear cut decision yet, I think he could achieve it but it's only speculating and more often than not in SC I think they let us down rather than exceed our expectations.
    I think Hill or Young could possibly do similar numbers for less outlay.

      Holty01 · 23/01/2020 at 23:54

      Agreed young Russty. How are things going mate?

        Russty_ · 24/01/2020 at 00:21

        Going great Holty !…hope you are too mate, can't wait for the new season to get underway.
        Hope you have another kickass year, your last season was outstanding mate..keep it up.

    EndoftheWorld · 24/01/2020 at 22:39

    I'm with you.
    And I also think a second year player of similar price, with an elite kick and 5 big improvements in his best 22 to kick to is worth slotting in there too.
    Welcome my team Lukosius San.

JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 15:29

I've had a bit of player movement in my team since I posted a day ago, decided to go with a guns and rookies structure of 3,5,2,3. I really wanted Neale in my team, but in the end I couldn't quite afford him. Def: Williams, Stewart, Laird, Young, Starcevich, Gould. (B.Smith, Rivers) Mids: Fyfe, Cripps, Dunkley, Danger, Oliver, Rowell, McHenry, Pickett (Robertson, Bianco, Mead) Rucks: Grundy, Gawn, (Comben) Fwds: Whitfield, Dusty, Steven, S.Hill, K.Pickett, Rankine, (M.King, Worrell) My only concern now, is having nine rookies on field. plus I'm not sure that I trust Whitfield as far as injuries go, but that will be a bridge I will have to cross if and when it happens.

    DavidC · 24/01/2020 at 15:34

    I think Stewart is injured at the moment, touch and go for round 1.

      JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 15:51

      Thanks for letting me know DavidC, I haven't been keeping up with that kind of news, at least there are a few players I can choose from to replace him with.The Doc should do.

    JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 18:17

    I did look at some of the midpicers and I really didn't like the look of it, even though I had fewer rookies on field. So I went back to the tried and trusted, picked the premos I liked and could afford and will hope like hell the rookies are there come round one.

      Russty_ · 24/01/2020 at 19:53

      I think Jack's issues the last few years have been his mental state and lack of motivation that came from it.
      Hopefully he's happier now at the Cats and has a few great years, if he could recapture some of that premo form he used to have, he'll be great value this season I reckon.

      JohnDJ59 · 24/01/2020 at 21:31

      Jack is sitting quite happily at F3, at his price of $361,700 he should still be there come round one. I guess at that price he is not really a premo, so I have 12 premos 1 midpricer and 9 rookies.

DavidC · 24/01/2020 at 15:38

I'd back Setterfield out of those, has come back in good nick, entered last season off a bad injury and played mostly forward out of position. Dow might not make best 22 based on last season, needs a big preseason.

JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 12:22

Attention KeenButClueless & Derek, there are two spots waiting for you in TheSonsOfAnarchy 474982 if you want to join. let me know if you are interested, so I can keep them open for you, if not they will be gone very soon.

    KeenButClueless · 25/01/2020 at 14:33

    Hi John. Singapore Flyers locked and loaded in Sons of Anarchy league. Thanks for the invite. Looking forward to a competitive season

      JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 14:42

      Very good Keen, I recognized the team from last year, but didn't connect it to you. So you ended up in both leagues, since you were in Holy Grail last year, well done.

    Derek · 25/01/2020 at 22:38

    Thanks John

      JohnDJ59 · 25/01/2020 at 22:48

      No worries Derek, you just made it.

johnno2908 · 26/01/2020 at 10:11

Happy 2020 everyone. First crack for this season:
DEF: Daniel, Sicily, Dawson, Docherty, Gould, McLennan (Worrell, Bianco)
MID: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Steven, Rowell, Pickett, Hibberd (McHenry, Simpson, Rivers).
RUCK: Grundy, Gawn (Cameron)
FWD: Whitfield, Dusty, Greenwood, S. Hill, Rankine, King (Cahill, Brownless)

    johnno2908 · 26/01/2020 at 11:44

    Essentially Dawson is D3/F3 with the Hill swing. I think you’re right though – but I bloody hate Lloyd and not sold on the other 3 blokes either.

Placey · 26/01/2020 at 12:27

Happy New Year Lads. Here is my 2nd and improved draft for this season:
DEF: Williams, Laird, Houston, Doedee, Starcevich, Gould (Bianco, Rivers)
MID: Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Dunkley, Oliver, Rowell, McHenry, Pickett (Simpson, Hibberd, Budarick – Extra loophole)
RUCK: Grundy, Gawn (Comben)
FWD: Whitfield, Dusty, Smith, Hill, Rankine, King (Riccardi, Williams)

Rip into it lads!!
Placey 🙂

KeenButClueless · 26/01/2020 at 15:18

If Curnow was a mid/fwd it would be a good move. (I can’t believe he’s not – ruined my early plans!). I don’t think he will be a keeper as a mid. Even at 100 average. I think you could afford to carry a 85-90 player in defence or forward, but a 100 average in the mids maybe not. At that price point, I would prefer Walsh. I can see him getting to 105, and wouldn’t be totally surprised if he got to 110.

KeenButClueless · 26/01/2020 at 15:34

stewart was a lock until he injured his groin preseason. Gotta say I hate all the options. D1 is the hardest to fill this year. You know it’s bad when Rich is starting to look like a viable option.

    JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 18:02

    Lloyd would be the safest option, but I feel he is too expensive for what might be a lower output on the last two years.

Jimmythebutler · 26/01/2020 at 15:54

Going with a pretty regulation defence and midfield structure. Going 3 deep in the FWD line, 4 if you include S.Hill.

Lloyd, Daniel, Docherty
Young, McLennnan, Gould (Ling, Bianco)

Neale, Fyfe, Dunkley, Bontempelli
Oliver, Rowell, Pickett, Hibberd (Rivers, Mead, McHenry)

Grundy, Gawn (Draper)

Whitfield, Martin, Brayshaw,
S.Hill, Frampton, Rankine (Georgiades, E. Taylor)

Thinking about dropping Daniel to a rookie and upgrading a mid rookie to McCluggage. Reasoning being my D rookies should be more viable on field than Fwd or Mids. Thoughts?

    Thoughts · 26/01/2020 at 17:31

    Only 2 deep in fwd line, 3 if you count Brayshaw but nobody would consider him a potential keeper

      Jimmythebutler · 26/01/2020 at 17:57

      Yeah fair. I'm 50/50 on Brayshaw. I'm hoping he lifts his output to around a 95 average and this gets him in the top 10 for fwds. With the options this year it wouldn't surprise me if 95+ gets you top 6. Mundy being out for a long stint should also help him get mid minutes.

      Is definetly a wait and see how his form is leading into round 1.

    JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 17:58

    How do you feel about having the two bulldog boys in the mids, I've only gone with Dunkley, since I don't like having more than one player from a team on each line. I think Rowell, McHenry and Pickett should all be safe picks in the mids, so you only need 5 premos to start with there.

      Jimmythebutler · 26/01/2020 at 18:11

      Not too worried about them. I tend to try stick to the same mantra. I guess for me I was burnt by not having Dunkley last year and felt I couldn't miss out on him. Also hoping the loss of dpp puts a few people off him but I don't think that's gonna happen.

        JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 18:55

        I had Dunkley from go last year in the fwd line, had to think hard about going with him in the mids this year at the expense of Macrae, but he belted out some huge scores last year, so he got the nod.

KeenButClueless · 26/01/2020 at 18:05

Just looking at Rookies and have come up with a few figures.

If we use 150k as a benchmark, then this is approx what we need

102,400 needs 46.7 ave
117.300 needs 49.5 ave
123,900 needs 50.7 ave

Looking at the more expensive rookies

Rowell needs 66.2
Young needs 61.2
Cockatoo needs 55.2

Looking at history, I have picked the comparison to Rowell

2018 Rayner 59.9 first 8 games, 60.4 for the year
2018 Brayshaw 55.9 first 8 games, 60.5 for the year
2017 McGrath 62.4 first 8 games, 70.7 for the year
2017 Taranto 67.8 first 8 games, 66.5 for the year
2016 Oliver 67.7 first 7 games (interrupted), 70.3 for the year

I think this makes Rowell a line ball option. The same hype about being ready made for senior football was made about Rayner and McGrath. Of course preseason games will help – although I was burnt by Brayshaw shining in his preseason games.

For Cockatoo, I can’t see him paying his way. His previous form reads:

2015 10 games 32.0 ave
2016 11 games 63.2 ave (Geelong won 9 easy)
2017 10 games 52.6 ave
2018 2 games 39.0 ave

Total 33 games 46.9 ave

Off the back of that, I don’t really have any confidence that he can get to the 55+ ave he needs to make 150k

In that regard, maybe some of the stepping stones are better value

Hill needs to average 63. He was 85-95 in his good years, but even his last 2 were 80.4 and 71.7. If he’s fit, a lock for me.

Roberton needs to average 76. His average in 2016 was 76.4 and 2018 was 92.4. Again lineball, with an added injury risk

Doedee needs to average 80.3. His one year 2018 was 82.2. Having been added to the leadership team, less time away from the game, nature of the injury and age just makes me feel he is marginally ahead of Roberton.

So for me, Hill a lock. Rowell and Young lineball – would pick a cheaper rookie if available. Not must haves for me.
Won’t be picking Cockatoo.

Would rather try to go up to Roberton or Doedee than pick Rowell or Young.

Yes I have too much time on my hands!

    Russty_ · 26/01/2020 at 18:51

    Good to have some extra time on your hands at this time of year Keen, thanks for the analysis, very enjoyable read, and eye opening.
    My current team doesn't have Cockatoo, Young, Doedee or Roberton but I do have Hill and Rowell , he'd better look as good as Walsh did last year in the pre-season though for me, cause 200k is a lot to spend on someone unproven…and Rooks are about making money and moving on to more reliable types.

    00P_s · 26/01/2020 at 19:28

    I'm totally with you on Rowell. Totally different style of player to Walsh and physically incapable of taking his game style to grown men, at this stage.
    What are the pre bye averages of #1 picks for last 6 years?

    Russty_ · 27/01/2020 at 01:27

    Your analysis pieces have been very helpful too OOP-s, much appreciated for lazy bums like me who may not have the research time or a herald sun subscription anymore, and also live in the sticks of Southwest W.A lol…cheers.

    Holty01 · 29/01/2020 at 21:14

    Awesome work Keen. Tend to agree with your analysis with Rowell but all of a sudden I’m tempted to start him. When Johnathon Brown talks, you listen and he has said he has seen some Gold Coast training sessions and has never seen a rookie like Rowell. He is the best he has seen in the last decade. Plus his strength, physicality and ability to win the ball at stoppages is incredible for a first year player. I’m tempted

    JohnDJ59 · 31/01/2020 at 10:33

    I'm still a bit torn as far as Rowell goes, last year was the first time I have had a 200k+ rookie in my team and I was happy with Walsh, you knew was going to play every game and he was good for a 75+ score most games. I can see Rowell doing the same. Then again that extra $83,400 that we are paying could go a long way to upgrading a mid priced player in our team to a premo.

      KeenButClueless · 31/01/2020 at 12:04

      I agree John. If we have enough 123k rookies, then I will be prepared to go without Rowell and boost other lines. Early days yet but I need to be convinced on the emerging rookies. Last years batch was considered a golden draft, but still cash generation was difficult, and we ended with some questionable premos in our side as we were forced to scramble for value. I am torn between pure GNR and a little mid priced madness in my structure

        JohnDJ59 · 31/01/2020 at 13:01

        Hi Keen, I was originally going for a GNR team with a 3,5,2,3 structure, but after I picked the premos I wanted, I found I was restricted to $123,900 rookies being the highest I could go. A 2,5,2,2 structure is a lot more flexible and my top 5,2,2 in the mid, ruck, fwd lines are locked, defence not so much. At the moment I'm looking at a mid priced player at D3, Doc/Houston, F3, Brayshaw/Steven, F4 C.Jones/D.Smith.The rookies I pick will shape who I can afford in those positions.

Pauly · 26/01/2020 at 19:55

Does anyone think buddy franklin will be fit for round one?? I know he’s had injury woes but I love the price of him

    Russty_ · 26/01/2020 at 21:02

    Not sure Pauly, you'd have to think he'd be a bit underdone fitness wise…if he plays any preseason games and looks allright he's a goer I reckon

JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 20:51

Finally happy with my team, thanks keen for making me think a bit more on it. I have been able to get down to 7 rookies on field which is a pass, any less and I would have too many midfielders. I have 11 premos and 4 midpricers/fallen premos which is probably the min and max for them. So to the team Def: Williams, Laird, Docherty, Hill, McLennan, Gould. (B.Smith, Rivers) Mids: Fyfe, Cripps, Dunkley, Danger, Oliver, McHenry, M.Pickett, Robertson. (Bianco, Mahony, Mead) Rucks: Grundy, Gawn. (Comben) Fwds: Whitfield, Dusty, A.Brayshaw, Steven, K.Picket, Rankine. (Worrell, Cahill)

    Russty_ · 26/01/2020 at 21:01

    Nice side John, I'd say you have 12 premos with Doch..Brayshaw's an interesting one…he could easily be swapped out for Smith if he doesn't look good preseason, how much moolah left over?

      JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 21:22

      You knew what I was thinking Russty, I did have Smith first off but replaced him with Brayshaw, whoever gets the mid time will probably get the nod. I have $35,500 left after dropping Rowell for a cheaper rookie.

    KeenButClueless · 26/01/2020 at 21:42

    like the structure John. Now can sit back and wait to see who emerges

      JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 22:12

      It took me four goes at it, but I finally ended up with a team that I didn't feel the need to change. The only constant has been the Rucks line and four of my top five midfielders. I have found your articles very interesting, the last one was the reason for me dropping Young and Rowell, I then moved Hill from the fwds to defence and brought Brayshaw in.

        Russty_ · 27/01/2020 at 01:20

        Four goes at it John?…I've been changing my team 35 times a day hahaha

          JohnDJ59 · 27/01/2020 at 12:48

          Good one Russty, hahaha, I was like that last year, I couldn't settle on a team, kept switching players in and out of the team, this year I have been the opposite, I didn't do my first draft until Wednesday night and yes this was only my 4th go at it.

    JohnDJ59 · 26/01/2020 at 22:44

    I'm expecting the Dees to have Kozzy in the side from round one, I liked the way Brayshaw played last season and if Fyfe is going to play more fwd, as is suggested then Brayshaw should get more game time. If none of that works out and Smith is looking good, he could come in for Brayshaw and a cheaper rookie for Pickett.

    Russty_ · 27/01/2020 at 01:24

    Reckon I'll turf Rowell too Neil, let's face it, Walsh type rookies are rare as Hen's teeth in this game, and he still only ended up averaging 87 which is awesome for a 1st year boy but I doubt Rowell could match that.

    Derek · 27/01/2020 at 19:28

    I had Williams all last year, he was great but he had a cheap starting price. Just can’t make myself pay $552k for him. Not getting any midfield, Haynes improving. Injury risk. Prefer the reliability of Lloyd at F1.

    Love Laird at F2, undervalued top 6

    Docherty everyone has, but I was expecting him to be a lot cheaper. $430k seems expensive, I’m considering Sicily for $70k more and has so much upside.

    If Hill is named, we all have him. DPP.

      JohnDJ59 · 27/01/2020 at 22:13

      Hi Derek, a very good summery of my team, thanks for that. I've had Lloyd the last two years, just can't afford to start with him this year, I did have Stewart to start with, but his injury worried me. I thought Doc would be 30k cheaper, but as you said most teams will have him if he goes well in the preseason. I will be looking at how Lloyd and Williams go preseason, I just have to move a few rookies around and I could do the swap.

    Derek · 27/01/2020 at 19:36

    Don’t mind your mids. I can only have one Doggie, at moment it’s Macrae, but Dunkley is close.

    Dangerfield without Kelly is a lock

    Oliver is built for SuperCoach and should be better than last year, hopefully his shoulders are ok

    Fyfe and Cripps are in that group with Neale, Coniglio and Kelly who should round out the top 8 midfielders by year end. I don’t like Fyfe getting older and talk of playing forward. Any of them will be good picks. Kelly has some injury history so I’ll stay away.

    Stay away from Merrett, Crouch, Parker Sloane.

      JohnDJ59 · 27/01/2020 at 22:24

      I have to admit I'm a bit worried about Fyfe as well, but if he's fwd he could kick a bag of goals, so who knows. I've been pretty set with my mids this year, I did think of moving Whitfield to the mids in place of Cripps at one stage, but it didn't look right. Neale will be my first upgrade in the mids. I've had M.Crouch the last few years, but didn't even consider him this year.

    Derek · 27/01/2020 at 20:20

    The forward line is a disaster zone this year. When you look at Sicily and Heeney who are same price at $510k, Sicily is the 12 most expensive and Heeney is the 5th.

    It will be a brave person to start without Whitfield and Dusty.

    The rest is anyone’s guess

      JohnDJ59 · 27/01/2020 at 22:30

      I feel we have to have both Whitfield and Dusty, just because the rest are so underwhelming.

azzachappy · 27/01/2020 at 00:32

Hey fellas just wanting to say loving the pods really helped me out last being my second year SuperCoach and I did better than I expected and this year I’m aiming higher which I’m sure is what everyone wants to do anyways this is my team let me know your thoughts thanks.

Backs: Houston, Dawson, Dougal Howard, Hayden Young, McLennan, Rivers Bench Gould & Bianco

Mids: Josh kelly, Cripps, Danger, Treloar, Oliver, Caleb Cerong, Simpson, Pickett Bench Collier-Dawkins, Rantall, Corey Lyons

Rucks: Obviously Grawndy combo & Bench Darcy Cameron

Forwards: Whitfield, Dusty, Heeney, Andrew Brayshaw, Hill, Cockatoo Bench Mcadam, Brownless

    Russty_ · 27/01/2020 at 01:16

    Hi Azza, welcome to the site mate, I reckon if you dialed the fwd line down a bit maybe with Steven and or D.Smith (maybe Hill out?) you could beef up the backline a bit, I reckon you need at least 1 or 2 rock solid picks back there and most of yours are speculative.
    The backline can be really hard to fix during the year if they're not producing the points you'd like.
    Sometimes a good start being your 3rd year is to go Guns and rookies for a less risky formula, eg 3 guns back, 5 guns mid, 2 gun rucks, 3 gun forwards..and whatever rooks are getting a game round 1.
    Good luck mate, we all need some in this game. 🙂

      azzachappy · 01/02/2020 at 00:32

      Russty_ Hey mate thanks for the reply so I’ve done a couple of changes Defence is now Daniel, laird, Houston and rooks r the same
      Mids I’ve just changed Cerong down to starcevich
      Rucks I’ve opted out Gawn for lycett
      Fwds I’ve changed Heeney to Dawson
      Lemme no what u think

Dan · 27/01/2020 at 00:53

Choose 2 out of,
Neale, Fyfe, Kelly, Dunkley

    Russty_ · 27/01/2020 at 01:08

    I've gone Neale over Fyfe and Kelly and Macrae over Dunks but Neale and Dunks…Fyfe and Kelly later if they stay fit.

    Derek · 27/01/2020 at 19:14

    In order; Neale, Dunkley, Fyfe, Kelly

    JohnDJ59 · 27/01/2020 at 21:58

    I've gone Fyfe and Dunkley, but I would have Neale and Dunkley if I could afford it.

      derek · 28/01/2020 at 14:31

      Dunkley not in my team, only because of Macrae already there and not keen on double up on doggies.

      He and Macrae will be at every centre bounce

Russty_ · 28/01/2020 at 01:39

Hi mate, I joined up, cheers for that…how come it's starting in round 2?
Prices change every week in that one and trades are virtually unlimited so if someone ain't performing, you can toss em out.

Streaka · 28/01/2020 at 01:47

I love the Bont and considering the doggies have Bruce, Naughton and Schache I would be expecting the Bont to be in his best spot in the midfield. Top 6 midfielder and Brownlow fancy th his year.

    DavidC · 28/01/2020 at 12:30

    True but the doggies also have a glut of inside mids. If Libba gets a run through there as well as Lipinski, Smith, West, Wallis, Mclean, then Bont will be the one pushed out.

GGeneral · 28/01/2020 at 14:20

What do people think about these three?

Brayden Sier 242k

Aiden Bonar 202k

Matt Rowell 207k

    KeenButClueless · 28/01/2020 at 16:25

    Sier – saw an article that saw him head to head for the inside mid role with Wills, and that Wills’ speed away from the contest, plus how will he did in the role late 2019 saw him in the lead.

    Bonar- it seems North have a role for him. His average in the NEAFL wasn’t big, but at his price he will need to average 69 to make 150k. Lineball for me. If a 123k rookie emerges, I will prefer

    Rowell – has to average 66 to make 150k. The record in previous years, with the exception of Walsh, suggests this is lineball also. Again I will be hoping for 123k rookies

      GGeneral · 30/01/2020 at 00:45

      Perfect, thanks mate!

derek · 28/01/2020 at 14:28

this is the current COOKIE CUTTER TEAM

If you took the highest % ownership in each line and picked them.

It amazingly works very easily. Mead 19% was picked ahead of Starcevich 21% for a mid-bench position. the rest of the team just go down the list and pick them on ownership.


Lloyd, Docherty, Doedee, Hill, Young, Gould (Bianco, Rivers)

Macrae, Neale, Fyfe, Cripps, Dangerfield, McHenry, Pickett (Roberstson, Mead, Hibberd)
Grundy, Gawn, (Cameron)
Whitfield, Dusty, Steven, Devon, Flanders, Cockatoo (Rankine, King)

$1700 left.

    Russty_ · 28/01/2020 at 17:10

    Kinda looks like my team lol

    JohnDJ59 · 28/01/2020 at 19:40

    Only seven in the midfield.missing an on field rookie.

      derek · 29/01/2020 at 13:38


        JohnDJ59 · 29/01/2020 at 15:50

        I have nineteen of those players, bench players included.

KeenButClueless · 28/01/2020 at 15:52

Is Steven a wait and see, or are people planning a structure without him?

    JohnDJ59 · 28/01/2020 at 19:31

    Wait and see, currently my F4, if he doesn't get up, I might go with a rookie, or put Smith back there if he's going well.

KeenButClueless · 28/01/2020 at 16:03

Saw an interesting article that suggests that we might be seeing the re-emergence of the tagger, and that teams are considering running more players through the midfield.

The takeout for me was:

Maybe midfielders are less viable as captain choices, and gives us one more justification of Grundy and Gawn

Whilst we know we pay overs for premiums up front, we are happy if they can maintain or improve their average and remain in the top tier at year end. Should we be re-examining that as a starting point, given that averages may come down?

Whilst we have all been sucked in by the preseason hype of extra midfield minutes, maybe this year it might be more relevant

    JohnDJ59 · 28/01/2020 at 19:38

    Grundy or Gawn would be my VC depending on the fixture, you then usually look at a few of your top mids depending if they are playing at home. I tend to have about 5 players that I choose from for the VC and C duties.

Westy · 28/01/2020 at 20:41

Here goes. First draft.

DEF – Hurn, Houston, Dawson, Docherty, Doedee, Young, Bianco, Gould
MID – Neale, Fyfe, Cripps, Dangerfield, Rowell, Cockatoo, Hibberd, Pickett, Robertson, Mead, Rivers
RUC – Grundy, Gawn, Comben
FWD – Whitfield, Martin, Smith, Bonar, S Hill, Flanders, Rankine, Cavarro

    dontblushbaby · 28/01/2020 at 22:22

    Hey Westy, How much cash do you have left ? looks like your 1 Premo short in the Mids mate , also maybe a few too many mid pricer risks imo

    derek · 30/01/2020 at 13:50

    i love seeing teams with Dawson in them. ahh takes me back to the great Zac.

KeenButClueless · 29/01/2020 at 15:48

I think it makes a lot of sense. Of course it is dependent on rookies. I am going 2, 5, 2, 2. I am adding a mid price Def and Fwd. I agree with Houston over Doc. Gives me 13 keepers and means I can keep Roberton at D4 and Hill at F4 as stepping stones.

    JohnDJ59 · 29/01/2020 at 16:25

    I was talking to a long time player in one of my leagues, he was just putting his team together and he was looking at having all the top line players on each line and only having the 123,900 or under rookies, with a 3,5,2,3 structure, I said that sounds great in theory, but I didn't think it would fit in the salary cap, so I tried it out, you just can't do it, I recommended a 2,5,2,2 structure with one mid pricer in the def and fwd lines, D4 and F4 can then be filled with either another mid pricer, or a high priced rookie, depending on what turns up, just as you are doing Keen, I see this as ending up the most popular structure for this year, as it just makes sense.

      derek · 30/01/2020 at 13:46

      of course you can:

      Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Hill, Mclennon, Gould (bianco, rivers)
      Mccrea, Neale, Cripps, Dangerfield, Oliver, Starcevic, Mchenry, Pickett (mead, robertson, hibberd)
      Grundy, Gawn (Conroy)
      Whitfield, Dusty, Heeney, McAdam, Rankie, King (cavarra, worrell)

      $3600 left over

        JohnDJ59 · 30/01/2020 at 14:21

        He meant the top, 3,5,2,3 on every line. Lloyd, Houli, Hurn, Macrae, Neale, Fyfe, Kelly, Cripps, Grundy, Gawn, Whitfield, Walters, Dusty. I could do it if I picked out players like you have, but not the top priced players on each line. I managed to do it for def, ruck, fwd, but not the mids.

JohnDJ59 · 29/01/2020 at 15:55

I won't talk you out of it NDD, since I came to that conclusion when I first put my team together. One difference though is I have Doc at the moment, not Houston.

KeenButClueless · 29/01/2020 at 16:43

Heeney has broken his thumb at training. Our forward line continues to get decimated, and it’s still January!

    JohnDJ59 · 29/01/2020 at 17:01

    I put a line through him halfway through last year, but it is going to limit our options.

JohnDJ59 · 29/01/2020 at 16:54

Hi NDD, Houston is in my watchlist as a likely replacement for Doc, I haven't considered Doedee, even though I should, due to my, only one player per team on each line rule, I have Laird at D2. At the moment, Brayshaw at F3 is my POD, but I could easily change him to Walters, if I turf Steven for a rookie. I'm pretty set with my 2,5,2,2 structure and I'm happy with my top 5 mids, Grundy and Gawn combo and Whitfield and Dusty as my top two fwds. After that is anyone's guess. Happy I could get most of the top players into Holy Grail and Sons this year, it should be a cracker, only problem is I'll probably end up in the bottom four, instead of making the finals. I was the premier in both in 2017 when I had my best year, it seems a long time ago.

Goaled Town Road · 29/01/2020 at 17:33

First crack at a team for the year. Not convinced on Houston, but would need a re-shuffle to afford a Sicily or Daniel.

D: Williams, Houston, Docherty, S.Hill
Young, Gould, Starcevich, Bianco

M: Neale, Cripps, Bont, Oliver, Cogs
Rowell, Pickett, Hibbered, McHenry, Rivers, Mead

R: Grundy, Gawn

F: Whitfield, Martin, A.Brayshaw, D.Smith,
Cockatoo, Rankine, Hutchesson, Brander

Obviously rooks will change.

Russty_ · 29/01/2020 at 19:34

Hi mate , I wouldn't jump to any conclusions regarding midpricers just yet, I'm gonna see how they fare recovering from any injuries and how they play in the Marsh series, if they don't get up for any Marsh games I think they're a pass but Steven and Heeney could be ok for round 1.
All our teams are up in the air at the moment..I'm waiting to see how Cockatoo and Steven look for sure, and Doedee, Hill's another one who could just end up a dud, if he doesn't impress in the Marsh I'll be downgrading him to a rook.
Don't reckon I'll buy into the Houston hype, he'd need to dramatically improve his average for me.

    Russty_ · 29/01/2020 at 20:35

    Yeah he could be allright mate, if he gets that extra mid time, nice and cheap if he goes 95 to 100…I'll have to see how he looks in those marsh games.

    JohnDJ59 · 29/01/2020 at 20:44

    I'm looking at either Doc or Houston for D3, Hill or Young at D4 and considering C.Jones for F4, instead of Steven or D.Smith.

JohnDJ59 · 30/01/2020 at 00:52

Anyone who has Laird could do a straight swap.

JohnDJ59 · 30/01/2020 at 00:54

I'm expecting Rivers to get a game and I have him on my defence bench.

DavidC · 30/01/2020 at 07:37

Lloyd only had 1 score over 90 in his last 5 matches last season.

    JohnDJ59 · 30/01/2020 at 11:26

    Hey DavidC, you were in the original invite to the Holy Grail League, if you are interested, let me know.

derek · 30/01/2020 at 14:07

one thing that is standing out to me this year, especially in the defense; is the lack of change (Higgo would call it the 'vacuum of opportunity"). There are no major retirements (maybe Hodge) or big name transfers that have opened up a big hole at their old club.

we had some big retirements in 2017 & 2018 and a few big name transfers that created opportunities. doesn't seem to be as much this year.

Houston going to the midfield looks a reasonable call, but he is already $500k and Port have to find a place for jack watts

the only reason i have Sicily and Heeney on my radar, is they are Premium picks (for their position).

Heeney is a year older, better and another pre-season. Buddy playing means more midfield for him. A forward playing out of position in the guts i like.

Sicily should and will average better than he did last year. Will be there abouts for top 6 defenders this year.

Both are $510k and about the cheapest i can see for a premium on any line. I'm more than happy to start with both at D3 and F3.

    derek · 30/01/2020 at 14:14

    Toying with the idea of batting 6 deep in the guts if i go midprice at D3 & F3

    if i replace Sicily with Doedee and heeney with Devon. I get Coniglio at M6.

JohnDJ59 · 31/01/2020 at 16:48

Looking at some of the young guns, breakout contenders, would anyone be brave enough to have some or all of the following: D2 Houston, D3 Clark, M5 McCluggage, M6 Walsh, F3 Brayshaw, F4 C.Jones.

    Russty_ · 31/01/2020 at 20:10

    Hi John, Out of those Houston seems to be a pretty popular selection, I don't have him though, that might change not sure, I'd take McCluggage if I wanted a low 500's mid with lots of talent…still not sure on Brayshaw or Jones, could be duds hard to know yet.

      JohnDJ59 · 31/01/2020 at 21:29

      Thanks for replying Russty, I was mainly looking at a point of difference from the usual suspects, Thinking of McCluggage as a replacement for one of my top 5 mids, if any of them gets an injury that will keep them from lining up in round one.

JohnDJ59 · 01/02/2020 at 20:10

I wasn't very happy with my fwd line apart from, F1 Whitfield and F2 Dusty, Then a mid priced fever came over me and I traded out Whitfield, so I could have this fwd line: Dusty, Brayshaw, Steven, D.Smith, C.Jones, Rankine. Is this a very bad idea, since I just added two mid priced players to my team, should I just put Whitfield back in, since he is probably a lock in most teams, or back two mid priced players to score the same or better than Whitfield and a rookie. Doc is my only other mid priced player, if that makes any difference.

    JohnDJ59 · 02/02/2020 at 12:06

    It didn't last long, Whitfield is back at F1, it will be out of Brayshaw, Steven and D.Smith for F3.

Steve · 18/02/2020 at 12:29

hi guys, my team below …… fire away …. what have i done right and wrong – cheers

J. Lloyd, Z. Williams, D. Houston, S. Docherty, T. Doedee, W. Gould, T. Bianco, B. O'Connor
L. Neale, P. Cripps, J. Dunkley, C. Oliver, M. Rowell, A. Bonar, D. Stephens, M. Pickett, S. Simpson, H. Schoenberg, T. Rivers
B. Grundy, N. Naitanui, M. Knoll
L. Whitfield, D. Martin, A. Brayshaw, D. Smith, S. Hill, I. Rankine, N. Cahill, J. Mahony

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