Heroes, Villains and the Damned: Round 12

The first week of the byes is upon us, community. There are plenty of performances to dissect in this week’s edition of Heroes, Villains and Damned. With a third of the competition missing, we needed players to step up and perform. Unfortunately, not all of them did.


Friday night lights on the MCG brought the best out of Patrick Dangerfield (149) as he produced a fantastic VC option for those who selected him. He had 38 touches for the game, as well as a goal and nine tackles. Gary Ablett Jr (130) and Tim Kelly (121) were great sidekicks, as GAJ had 24 touches and two goals, whilst Kelly had 32 touches and one.

If you ever wanted to see a man rebound in spectacular fashion, look no further than Patrick Cripps (194) on Saturday. The Carlton skipper looked more like an Avengers superhero at Marvel Stadium, as he put the weight of the Carlton football community on his shoulders and willed his side back from 37 points down to win the Blues’ second game of the season. He had 38 touches (16 contested) despite being tagged, going at 81% efficiency, with only two clangers. He also slotted four goals, including one of the best running goals I’ve seen this season (it wasn’t spectacular, but he busted through three defenders and kicked it on the wrong side for a right-footer to seal the game). You’d hope to have him as your captain.

Sam Walsh (141) was dubbed “Robin” to Cripps’ “Batman” by commentators, and it was actually a pretty accurate description. The two linked up and looked unstoppable throughout the game. Walsh had 32 touches at 81%, as well as 12 marks and four tackles. Ed Curnow (128) collected 30 touches whilst also keeping Lachie Neale (106) very quiet in the second half. Neale had 25 touches in the first half of the game and was on track for a monster score, but Curnow really curbed his influence.

The Roos got up against the Suns in Rhyce Shaw’s second game at the helm, and Jack Ziebell’s 200th game for the club. Ziebell (133) celebrated the milestone with 28 touches, 10 tackles and two goals. His disposal efficiency let him down from a monster game, as he went at 53%. Ben Cunnington (132) is a genuine midfield option, and had yet another 30+ disposal day (31). He had 23 contested disposals, and 14 clearances. Look to get him in after his bye. Tarryn Thomas (109) had one of his better games with two goals from his 12 touches. 10 of the 12 were contested disposals, and he used it at a good clip. If you have Jarrod Harbrow (142) you’d be pretty pleased with his day, but I’m also betting you have plenty of problems throughout the rest of your SuperCoach side. He had 27 touches, but 23 were kicks, which helped.

The Crows pulled away from the Giants late in a great Saturday night game, thanks in no small part to Rory Sloane (103). The skipper’s heroics won’t show up as a massive score, but he was struggling with a tag in the first half before he was released to be a match winner in the last quarter. He kicked two goals to seal the match for his side. Matt Crouch (123) was superb all night with 34 touches for the game, while Reilly O’Brien (104) is doing a good job at keeping Jacobs out of the side. He had 17 touches and 29 hit outs, but had 9 clearances as well for the day. Tim Taranto (131) was great in the loss, with 36 touches and a goal. Josh Kelly (107) was the opposite of Rory Sloane, and was great up until 3-quarter-time. As many players’ captain, he disappointed everyone by barely getting a touch after the last break. Zac Williams (106) had a great first game back with 20 touches, and hopefully will dominate in Whitfield’s absence.

In the only Sunday game for the week (boo) Jake Lloyd (136) was up to his usual tricks, with 42 touches and 9 marks. He had a shot at goal but missed that. Dane Rampe (148) was too busy finding the ball to cause any controversy this week with 32 touches and 12 marks off halfback. Tom Papley (136) and Lance Franklin (127) kicked 10 goals between them, while Luke Parker (120) chipped in with one himself as part of his 30-disposal effort. Isaac Heeney (102) cracked the ton for the first time in what seems to be forever with 28 touches in the win, while Andrew Gaff (107) was tagged for the majority of the match but still managed 28 touches.

Max Gawn (157) had a blinder to get the better of Grundy on Monday, with 34 touches and 33 hit outs for the day. Clayton Oliver (114) and Angus Brayshaw (116) were the recipients of Gawn’s dominance, with the pair both collecting over 30 touches each. Marty Hore (94) continued his fine form despite May and Lever returning, so that’s good signs if you plan on holding the rookie. Steele Sidebottom (118) was the highest scoring Collingwood player with 27 touches and a goal. Adam Treloar (104) won the best on ground trophy for Fight MND Day, but his 34 touches came at 58% disposal efficiency.


Noah Balta (29) crashed back to earth with a shocker of a score. Only seven touches for the night, including three clangers. Liam Baker (50) was relied heavily on to score well due to the byes, but he let us down in the big loss with only 13 touches and a missed set shot.

Harris Andrews (82) had a quiet day out with only 9 touches. He had 5 intercept marks that helped his score, but his score was actually higher than I would have expected for what his influence on the game actually was. A sleeveless Kade Simpson (49) gave us all a fantastic highlight of putting Rhys Mathieson off by mocking his shotgun celebration whilst standing on the mark, but apart from that he was pretty quiet.

Stephen Coniglio (64) was back down to human level with 27 touches at 66%. People who traded him in after last week’s 207 score would’ve been disappointed he couldn’t back it up with another great score. Jeremy Cameron (70) was a bit of a let down as well, but a late goal saved his score from being putrid. Brodie Smith (48) copped a fair bit of attention from Isaac Cumming and his scoring suffered as a result. Rory Laird (81) had 28 touches at 82%, but didn’t score that well, I’m still trying to figure out why. 20 kicks, two free kicks for, and used it well. The only issue I can see was that he didn’t lay a tackle.

Josh Rotham (40) had his first game in an eternity, and it may be his last for a while yet. He only had 10 touches for the day, and wasn’t influential at all. Jack Petruccelle (36) was another Eagle youngster who did stuff all with 6 touches, while Jack Darling (61) only managed one goal in the loss. Callum Sinclair (69) was quiet against Vardy and Hickey, with only 12 touches with 28 hit outs.

Brodie Grundy (84) came off second best against Gawn, with only 14 touches. He did manage 30 hit outs, but was kept quieter than usual. Scott Pendlebury (67) was inefficient with his 24 touches, and had a shot at goal but missed.


If you weren’t planning on trading out Jordan Clark (24) despite him having the bye next week, you certainly want to now. He had 12 touches, but he went at a putrid 41% disposal efficiency. Tom Atkins (70) is also due for an upgrade despite decent scores in recent weeks. He had 16 touches for the day, whilst Gryan Miers (85) is the only Cat rookie you could argue you want to hold onto. He’s been scoring well this season, apart from his last two games. Still, he isn’t going to be a top-8 forward come September.

If you had any of Jarrad McVeigh (68), Jackson Thurlow (48), or Colin O’Riordan (30), pull the trigger now. All were injured in the win, and despite none of them seeming like massive injuries, they might be rested as the bye is round 14 for them.


First gamer Patrick Naish (78) was arguably one of the better Tigers on the park, with 20 touches and a goal on debut. Sydney Stack (70) wasn’t great, with only 12 touches, but eight of them were contested, and he used it pretty well.

If you still have Michael Gibbons (109) you would’ve been happy with his game on the weekend. He had 23 touches and two goals in one of his best games of football. Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for Noah Answerth (33), as he only managed 12 touches for the day. He’s yo-yoed the entire season so far, but hopefully he can string some good games together soon. Archie Smith (44) played a ruck/forward role and didn’t really impress. He had 8 touches and 14 hit outs, but gave away two free kicks and didn’t influence the scoreboard. If Will Setterfield (67) used the ball at a better rate would’ve cracked the ton. 18 touches and eight marks, but went at 44%.

Nick Larkey (54) is having the sort of yo-yoing start to a career that you’d expect from a young key forward. Only 6 touches and one goal for him. Luke Davies-Uniacke (54) wasn’t much better, with only 14 touches for the day. Gold Coast’s trio of key forwards once again didn’t really impress, with Josh Corbett (10), Ben King (43) and Jack Lukosius (59) not doing too much between them. Chris Burgess (72) only had 8 touches but went at 100% which helped his score look better than it should.

Isaac Cumming (36) played a defensive role on Brodie Smith and was pretty good doing that. Unfortunately, it limits certain aspects of his game and as a result, only had 9 touches. He also copped a head knock late in the game, so watch to see how that transpires.

Nick Blakey (40) had another quiet game despite the good win. He only had nine touches and no goals. James Rose (47) didn’t do too much either in a rare AFL appearance, while Josh Smith (49) played his second game for the year and had little impact with just ten touches.

Who did I miss community? Let me know in the comments, or abuse me on twitter @mattforrest29


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  1. JohnDJ59 says:

    With only 18 on field I needed most to score well, Cripps, Danger, Walsh, Lloyd (C) M.Crouch, T.Kelly were my heroes, Lloyd mostly so after I decided to not put the VC on either Cripps or Danger for the first time this year. The ones that let me down I usually have sitting on the bench, Clark, Answerth and Petruccelle, but I was still hoping for at least a 50 plus score from them.

    • Holty01 says:

      Nice call on Lloyd John. I went Jelly which will cost me.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Hi Holty, I'm not sure why I diverted from my usual VC-C players, but it worked out in the end, Lloyd has been super consistent this year, with only one score under 100 and I wasn't sure about Grundy and Gawn, since they tend to cancel each other out when they play against one another.

    • Russty_ says:

      Hey bud, I would've VC'd Danger after his 130 last week, and I did..worked out ok, would've preferred Cripp's 194 but still happy with the 149.
      Reckon you should stick to your solid plans cause even though Lloyd still worked out ok for you, you still missed out on a few points there.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Yes I stuffed that up, I've been picking my VC-C players from Cripps, Danger, Fyfe, Grundy, Gawn, most of the season and normally I would have put the VC on either Cripps or Danger since they were playing in the early games and I sure was wrong about Gawn and Grundy canceling out each other.

        • Russty_ says:

          Hard to know how things will go mate, reckon Grundy's ankle could still be bothering him a bit..hence the low score so far this week, I've been sticking to a plan on going VC early the last month or so, hasn't always worked out but it's a relief when it does.

          • JohnDJ59 says:

            Hey Russty, I just saw we are up against each other next week in the Sons League, it will be a nice easy win for you since I will only be fielding 14-15 players.

  2. Connor says:

    Think I might go early this week on:
    Hayes > Bewley
    D. Moore > Gardner
    This frees up cash for 2 upgrades next week (plus another downgrade). Thoughts?

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      The only player I might go early on is Naish next week, I will be waiting to see if Bewley is picked before I get him in. The two trades are both good ones, I just don't like picking players until they are on the bubble.

      • COREYSC says:

        Technically Bewley is on the bubble😉just have to wait a little longer haha

        • JohnDJ59 says:

          That is true Corey, I'd still wait for the teams to drop, to make sure he's picked for next weekend.

          • COREYSC says:

            Yeah but I had to go early on him this week to make 2 upgrades next week Parker to Boak and Hore to Sicily

            • JohnDJ59 says:

              That's fair enough then Corey, I like the Parker to Boak trade, but I would be keeping Hore, I think he is good enough for the D6/D7 position.

    • Russty_ says:

      Got rid of Moore this week…looking like the right call so far at half time.

  3. Nick says:

    Does anyone have Any word on Oliver yet

  4. COREYSC says:

    Heroes: Dangerfield, T.Kelly, Cripps, Walsh, Neale, J.Kelly, Z.Williams, Lloyd, Heeney
    Villains: Laird, B.Smith
    Damned: Clark

    It’s been a great week so far Grundy and Gawn and Hore if they can bring it home this could be a big rise in the rankings back inside the top one thousand

  5. Swoosh111 says:

    Dammed Mummy… I know I should have traded him out…

  6. Shake_n_bake says:

    Only Smith out for Dees

  7. Brn says:

    No ampunt of bye planning can help when you have a few poor scores and neale into jkelly (c). Looking at max of 1950 🙁

    • Holty01 says:

      Lol. Same vc and c choices mate. Strange enough I was loving my vc choice at halftime and my C choice at 3/4 time. How quickly things change. 😩

  8. Pranav says:

    need to go early on either bewley or gardner to build the bank who is the better option?

  9. Tommo09 says:

    Picked the wrong VC and C this weekend. Had a choice of Cripps and Neale. Chose Neale. Had the choice today of Gawn or Grundy. Chose Grundy


    • Russty_ says:

      Bad luck Tommo on 2 fronts there, Neale was looking like going big until he got tagged.
      Cripps been tagged the last few weeks so just bad luck in the end.

  10. Russty_ says:

    It's a shame Melbourne don't seem to have any regular goal scorers anymore, that's the glaring issue right now.
    They need a Hogan type or at least the smaller crumbers to contribute a bit more, otherwise, they're stuffed.

    • Swans2012 says:

      It’s sad when they had a hogan type huh

      • Russty_ says:

        Yeah I guess the consolation is…he's not doing much at Freo this year, maybe now that Lobb has gone down.

        • I emailed my mate who played C H F in our 1964 G /F win and argued the same as both yourself Russty and Swanny. It's glaringly obvious our forwards are crap Macca Weeds Garlett Spargo Smith -Only Petracca shows brilliance at times but needs help Their goal kicking is poor. I would put Tmac back and promote Pruesse. Good to see non demons like you two agree with me NDD

  11. JugHead says:

    Max headed for 30 posses…………amazing from a ruckman

    • Russty_ says:

      Max to the max!….he is the man.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        His last four games have been huge, the only time I've had him as C was the round eight game when he scored 109 which was my second lowest C score for the year.

  12. Rick Grimes says:

    Brayshaw is back!

  13. TOPHAWK1 says:

    How did we all fare folks? Unconfirmed total for me this week is 2015.

    • Russty_ says:

      Pretty stoked TH, scored 2018 and looks like I won 10 out of 10 leagues for the 1st time this year, well done bud, nice score 🙂

    • KSinny says:

      About 1990 for me, pretty happy with that

    • Tommy says:

      2117 for me, no c on cripps and smith my only letdowns. Pretty happy

    • Swans2012 says:

      2029 for me off 18 playing, yeos out cost me a 2100 damit. Very happy though, beat shake in trigs league and won all others but lost in a graders with the 2nd highest league score! I didn’t watch much of the game today but did brayshaw finally get released into the middle? I’m due to chop him this week but if he’s on midfield duty again…..

    • LeDoctor says:

      2160, Cameron (70), Robinson (67), and Cogs (64) weren't too great, but Cripps (194), Danger (149), and Gawn (c) (153) easily made up for them, one of few good weeks for me.

    • Derek says:

      Just so average again. Was always going to be my weak bye round, especially with Hurn out, just had 18.

      1937. Only won 4/10

      • TOPHAWK1 says:

        That is very solid mate. Was able to keep you out in GNR league. Crippa in the end was pretty much the difference. Bring on round 2 of the byes. Cheers mate.

      • Russty_ says:

        Still a decent score for 18 Derek, Hurn out sucks.
        I thought 13 was gonna be everyone's weak bye round.

        • Derek says:

          I’ve got 20 next week. After Hore to Sicily.

          My 20 includes Young and Parker. But they do play Suns

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      1962 won 5/9, so better than I thought I would go after my start to the weekend. Next week will be a wipeout for me, only going to have 14-15 players on field.

      • TOPHAWK1 says:

        Great score John. You will need to trade a few guys into your side that come out of this week's bye to get you hopefully 17 players out there next week. Good luck next week mate.

        • JohnDJ59 says:

          Thanks TopHawk, I was only expecting 1850, but Gawn , Clarry and Hore continued their good scoring for my team. I will have to think about this week and work out if it is worth trading in anyone, just for one round. I don't normally go early on players, but Clark to Naish could be worth it, that would get me to 15 players on field, but even if I found two more trades,17 on field won't win me any games this bye round and trades are getting low, so a bit to think about. Well done on getting over the 2000 Hawk, who people had as C would have made a huge difference to their scores this weekend, anyone with either Cripps or Gawn as C would have been very happy.

    • Shake_n_bake says:

      1980 with only 18. Lost in my league by only 12. Hurn out hurt. My opponent had 20 players was able to cancel out Rotham and answorth.

    • Holty01 says:

      1922 for me. 🙄

      • Russty_ says:

        Not bad Holty, still in it with a sniff mate, a good bye round and a regular round and you'll be right back up there, still within the top 60 is awesome though bud.

    • nickgonzalez771 says:

      2124, 10/10 leagues. Will suffer next round though!

    • Pranav says:

      2035 for me made a last minute decision to double downgrade Duursma and Hayes to Gardner and Bewley to build the bank so I’m hoping they both get named this week

    • hedski says:

      1745 from 17 played, Hurn and Stocker out hurt, not much else went right.
      Big fall from 2420 last round.
      At least Angus looks like he's back.

    • Lazza says:

      2057 for me .. gotta thank Capt Red Beard … good enough to win 9 of 10 .. however, I will need to bring in 2 players to field a competitive team this week… can’t afford a 10 and 33 this round .. looking at Clarke and Marshall

      • Russty_ says:

        Beauty Lazza, glad I didn't face you this week, how many rank spots did you move up?

        • Lazza says:

          ~ 9000 Russty, but I’m way off the mark this year … had a bad start, and only averaging 2124 this yr..

    • Jace says:

      Scored 2203 ranking for the week was 122nd
      My best week ever I think.

  14. LeDoctor says:

    Gee Gawn sure has a talent for missing goals after the siren, great game by him though.

  15. redherringfc says:

    Hero: Max Gawn. Stepped up as captain.

    Villain: Max Gawn. That miss cost me a match up, losing by 2.

  16. KSinny says:

    Could've had a massive week this week but having to take scores of 33, 36 and 48 really hurt as well as J.Kelly as captain. Still ended up with a respectable 1976 so let's hope next week is just as good.

  17. dontblushbaby says:

    Thinking I might keep Hore as a D6/7 , still making $ and scoring well, I will still play B.Smith this week but will be gone the week later

  18. Holty01 says:

    Talk about lucky. Thought my rank would blow out more then it did. Just thankful not to many went with Cripps as their C. Great work to all who cracked the 2000+ mark this week. Awesome effort during the bye rounds.👍

  19. Fearthebeard says:

    Question. If I look like I’ll need to hold b smith or Darcy Moore for d6 who would you take?

    • Pranav says:

      I’d take Brodie smith he was tagged last night by cumming and I feel like Darcy Moore often plays games worthy of a ton but can’t seem to crack the ton

      • Fearthebeard says:

        I’m looking at getting Cunnington and Dunkley in this week to finish my midfield and forward line.

        If I do this it has to be Moore (30k short if I go moore out) the plan is he will go to Sicily! Though the risk is I can’t afford to make that trade now as it’s not as big an upgrade in my eyes as say Cunnington is over stack and Dunkley over Moore in the forward line (moving him up for smith)

        With trades getting low with these 3 trades (now down to 6) it would leave me full premium minus Moore who I want to get to sicily.

        Think I’d be best to wait a few weeks and make sure that doesn’t blow up in my face rather then burning two straight away on sicily?

        Would you agree with logic or am I better off getting Sloane and passing on Cunnington and keeping Smith ?

  20. Fearthebeard says:

    Now I’m thinking f it.

    Might lock Dunkley and Cunnington in to finish forward and mid line.

    Next week sicily in for Moore and Answerth out for some 105k spud and pray for kindness lol.

    • Pranav says:

      Think this should be fine as Cunnington is an amazing pod Dunkley is tearing it up and if Sicily can get back to the scoring he is capable of that’s a really good value pick

      • Fearthebeard says:

        Thanks mate. Think it’s the right move. If I don’t get sicily I can get Stewart.

        Have Lloyd laird Williams Hurn already just not sure on next best defender

        • Pranav says:

          thats a solid backline my backline is lloyd whitfield williams smith hore and rookie so im looking pretty thin down back.

  21. Ja191 says:

    Gawn with the 153 3 round avg and 142 5 round avg, this bearded man is something else

  22. Daniel says:

    I want to bring in a forward this week as I need to get rid of Balta as he has a 109 breakeven now, who looks the best option this week between Rowan Marshall at $462k or Robbie Gray at $405k, leaning towards Gray at this stage as I picked Wingard last year for aorund $400k at this exact round and he did well last year, hoping Gray can do that this year plus looking for value picks

  23. hedski says:

    Ah that feeling when your planned trades fall short by $3k-$5k because your rookies spudded it up <img draggable="false" class="emoji" alt="😪" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/11.2.0/svg/1f62a.svg"&gt;

  24. Fearthebeard says:

    Is there any good 105k players available with any chance of a game besides Gardner???

  25. Dan says:

    Fair to say my gamble of starting with Goldy instead of Gawn hasn't paid off. I'm now going to be using a trade and paying more than Gawn's starting price to bring him in next week.
    He has been fantastic the past 4 weeks.

  26. Rocksta_ says:

    How bad is Liam Stockers foot injury? Is he a chance to be back this week?

  27. Pranav says:

    lloyd whitfield williams hore smith clark (burgess gardner)
    macrae cripps taranto dusty crouch walsh libba answerth (stocker baker bewley)
    gawn grundy (rob)
    kelly dunkley danger heeney daniel moore (young bines)
    19 trades left 528500 in the bank
    original plan was to go moore clark and hore to sicily fyfe and boak but clark scoring 24 meant he didnt rise as much as i liked and im 3k short.
    i think my best bet now is whitfield clark and moore to ryan fyfe and boak.

  28. TelescopicCox says:

    2039 this week which I’m happy with. Went Whitfield to Cameron which hasn’t paid off, but I’ll take a 70 given the game he played.

    Moves at this stage are Moore and Balta to Sicily and Boak. Third move will be to offload Answerth depending on selections

  29. Whitey says:

    Is Hore an acceptable D6 or (what I'm thinking) am I kidding myself?

  30. Tommo09 says:

    I am officially screwed

    11 trades and no cash left

    Need to upgrade:
    Hore to Hurn
    Walsh to Pendles
    Setterfield to a mid

    And I still have Smith and O’Meara and no next to no cash generation on the bench

    Big trouble ahead

    • DavidC says:

      Well keep Walsh and Hore for a start. Smith needs to go first of all those you mentioned.

  31. TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

    Melbourne should look at doing other part time work over the break. Maybe archery?

    Time to hang up the white butchers coats!

    Cmon dees. You have the best AA ruckman/midfielder in the AFL. Time to hit a 🎯

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I thought after they scored 1.8 in the last quarter against the Crows, which cost them the game, they would have been having goal shooting practice all week, but maybe that was too much to ask. Our kicking at goal has been terrible this year, the only game I can remember us having a good goal to point ratio was the Essendon game in round three and we still lost because Essendon kicked just as well.

  32. JohnDJ59 says:

    I was always intending to get Heeney back into my team after I traded him out in round three, but now I'm wondering if Ziebell would be a good POD to have since he's only in 3% of teams and is averaging around the same as Heeney. What do people think, go with the POD, or stick to my plan and get Heeney in next week after his bye.

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      I'd go Ziebell mate.
      Back in the mids and a nice pod

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        I'm leaning that way Trigga, most people have Heeney, so a point of difference who is scoring around the same might be the way to go.

    • Dan says:

      He’s still listed as TBC on the injury list this week, so we’ll have to wait to hear from Carlton.

  33. Steeeve says:

    I can trade for Caleb Daniel and know I'm safe to make next round's upgrades.
    Or I can trade for Dunkley and I SHOULD have just enough for next week's upgrades ($10,000) but there is a risk the price changes don't go my way.
    Us Dunkley worth the risk?

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