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PODCAST | Need for Sheed

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Dominic Sheed. Thomas Rockliff. Jordan Ridley.

Are they the Shaun Atleys, the Greg Broughtons, the future burn-men of Supercoach? Patch and Lekdog enlist the help of community stalwarts, legends and all round good humans Barron von Crow and Damo to tell them what the hell is going on.

They look through every JLT game for the second week of the preseason and – forewarning – it’s another long one.

So tell us how your sides are looking, who are you picking from the JLT? Any bolters? Any risky picks? And how stupid is Patch? (Hint, very.)

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Mark

I am thinking this year there is a lack of rookie and mid priced forwards. What does everyone think of having 4 premo forwards?
This would mean I have 4 premo mids with cousins M5 and Walsh M6. Too risky?

Derek

My current team has 4 keepers. Danger, Heeney, Devon & Mundy. Also 5 Keepers in guts plus Libba and Walsh. Grundy & Gawn.

I’ve gone skinny in defence. Witherden, Williams and Brodie at D1-3.

I’m not risking Greene.

Robbo

As good as Grundy will be he’ll drop 100k after 3 rounds
Happy with max and goldy
With goldy going to Grundy (hopefully)
Fark that was a lot of G’s

Brn

Wouldnt think grundy would drop much early with Cats, Tigers, West coast and Dogs in first 4. Premiums as upgrade targets seem a waste

jzz

broadie smith as your d3 he has never ave over 85 risky , are you running 3 rookie defenders after him possibly leaving yourself with 4 upgrades in defence.. i agree we need to heavy in defence or fwds with a lack of rookies but thats risky

Spifflicator

I get that there is a lack of rookies, but surely there are plenty of mid-pricers? Greene, Rioli (WC), DMoore, Daniher, VanDenberg. I'm currently running with;

Danger Kelly Boak Rioli Moore Setterfield – Cavarra Parker (placeholders)

Moore will swing with Burgess in defence, so despite his awkward price he offers flexibility and hopefully he can make $150k.

Sauce

Have have vegma mate, Dont play supercoach

LoopyHermit

Before the JLT I was rather confident of, at least, the type of team structure id put on the park. After the JLT I'm down the path of having NO F-ING CLUE. Way more questions than answers from the preseason games and at this stage I'm about to flip the switch into full on panic mode. If anyone can justify which team structure would be suitable for this year I would bow down at the foot of their alter.

TelescopicCox

I'm having the same issues. I feel like WAY more mid-pricers are showing up than previous JLT's. I'm avoiding them for the most part other than Zac Williams who has been locked in since before JLT.

Tilted Dean Towers

Someone talk me out of picking Darcy Moore, intercept defender and played 21 games in 2017. Cheap in a year with little forward rookies, nice dpp. Help

SuperCoach Yoda

It is not enough to trust your gut, you must look deep down in your gut and see what lays there. If it is fear then fear will lead to hatred and you must revamp your gut.

DavidC

Why is he cheap? Because he is injured all the time.

TelescopicCox

I've just brought him in. I think his DPP swing with Burgess could be handy.

All will depend on rookie availability

Robbomber

I think if he stays down back with cocko up fwd he could be a revaluation

Hawk131415

Dont pick Moore!!!!!

SuperCoach Yoda

It's hard to see the winning team not starting him

Willy Rooter

with hair like he wore in the JLT i would be worried about darcy moore's mind set.

Xman

Can we get away with 3 rookies in the forward line this year, there seems to only be setterfield and Parker. Your f6 is gonna score a 40 most weeks, is it worth upgrading to a mid pricer?

kevwal

Drew, Petruccelle, Balta, Burgess

Xman

None of them have job security except burgess who scored a 30

Derek

Rozee if you pay extra. Has DPP

GOAT___23

Blakey

WTFoxtrot_58

Hammy..8 weeks

DavidC

Na, two max in the forward line. Either go 4 premiums or throw in a mid pricer. You've got to structure your team around the available good scoring rooks.

Sixtybloody6

I've decided to put in sheed, rocky, moore, libba, ridley, billings, B Smith and Walsh in my side. Buckle up on this rollercoaster!

paul

Yes, what a Delmar what every one is not thinking about is the 666 .W/C was amazing up forward (Darling/Roili) because there delivery was more efficient and they have adapted a strategy already so we need to think differently about our strategy in supercoach. I am changing my structure now with so many mid prices looking to preform this year. I am looking at a side which will be on the park with the maximum output as the rookies we have just will not cut it especially up forward.With the likes of Sheeds,B Crouch and libba averaging 100 plus its just too Juicy.If it works and these guys average over 100 then i will save on trades as i can hold until the byes to see if they are keepers or stepping stones. I just also have to say watch out for Adelaide there midfield is on fire and Sloane will cop the tag.

Derek

Have you been listen to One Touch Wonder?

Maverick_

I can’t be sure if your serious or taking the PI Double S sixty6? I thought your always about GnR? I have no bloody idea what I’ll do yet! I want BCrouch, libba, Moore Greene & smith but will they burn us? How deep are you going in the midfield with genuine premos is brad M4 or M5? Ballsy stuff mate

Paul

Yep I’ve gone Ridley at f5 and smith at f4 plus libba at m6.

Paul

Ridley at d5 and Smith d4.

Rivo

Do we abandon Miles now? Straight to Libba?
And what about D.Smith?

Westy

current team version 375.5
D Simpson Whitfield Williams B Smith, Roberton Ridley (Collins, Hore)
M Cripps, Neale, Coniglio, Martin, B Crouch, Liberatore, Butters, Atkins (Constable, B Scott, Hind)
R Grundy, Goldstein (Clarke)
F Dangerfield, Heeney, Wallis, Setterfield, Petrucelle, Parker (Burgess, Drew)

I'm sure things will change in the next week.

DavidC

Roberton had a medical scare on the weekend. I don't think he is an option any more …. too much risk.

Westy

Oh dear, that's so sad for him. Hope he improves rapidly for his health's sake.

paul

Gday Community,

Team is as follows, what are your thoughts?

DEF: LLoyd, Whitfield, Crisp, Smith, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore)

MID: Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Neale, Crouch, Walsh, Butters, Constable( Gibbons, Scott, Atkins

RUCK: Gawn, Goldy (Clarke)

FWD: Danger, Heeney, Billings, Setterfield, Drew, Cavarra ( Petrucelee, Parker)

Only have 10k in the bank and the only major concern i have is with how beams will affect Crisp role off thehalf back and also playing 3 FWD rookies

Matt

Good side, only thing I’d consider doing with it would be to downgrade one of Lloyd/Whitfield/Crisp to ZWilliams and then upgrading Cavarra to a midpricer with job security like Lincoln McCarthy.

TelescopicCox

Nice team. Similar structure to mine. I'm in the same boat with playing 3 forward rookies so I've dropped Walsh for Darcy Moore, hoping he can average 80-90. I think Walsh will score more, but my logic is that mid rookie + Moore will outscore Walsh + fwd rookie

DavidC

Well Drew probably only plays until Wines is back in round 3 or 4 so you will have 2 dud rooks in your forward line. Consider a mid pricer or another premo in there and get Cavarra off the field.

John

Think my team is just about set in stone, but considering going Liberatore and Gibbons to Butters and Cousins. 11k left over, any feedback greatly appreciated.

DEF: Whitfield, Andrews, Williams, Clark, Duursma, McKay (H.Jones, Hore)
MID: Cripps, Oliver, Neale, Crouch, Steele, Liberatore, Walsh, Constable (Scott, Atkins, Gibbons)
RUCK: Grundy, Goldstein (Sweet)
FWD: Dangerfield, Heeney, Dunkley, Billings, Setterfield, Drew (Petrucelle, Parker)

TelescopicCox

I like your team. I'd stay strong with Libba & Gibbons over the other two.

DavidC

I'd go the other way, Butters and Cousins.

paul

Yes, what a Dilema what every one is not thinking about is the 666 .W/C was amazing up forward (Darling/Roili) because there delivery was more efficient and they have adapted a strategy already so we need to think differently about our strategy in supercoach. I am changing my structure now with so many mid prices looking to preform this year. I am looking at a side which will be on the park with the maximum output as the rookies we have just will not cut it especially up forward.With the likes of Sheeds,B Crouch and libba averaging 100 plus its just too Juicy.If it works and these guys average over 100 then i will save on trades as i can hold until the byes to see if they are keepers or stepping stones. I just also have to say watch out for Adelaide there midfield is on fire and Sloane will cop the tag.

Derek

Cash generation will come from the cheap midfielders. You need to have most of them

Rick

It's 666 for only a very small amount of time. Won't affect scoring too much. Stick with the proven guns.

paul

There are very good options this year under 600 tho.

paul

There are very good options this year under 600 tho.

Sharkmove_King

Good podcast fellas, got me through a traffic jam this morning…..Some very wise words spoken regarding the ~400k midfielders, especially from Lekdog.

Sharkmove_King

For the record out of the Ridley, Cunningham & Moore debate, I'm in the Moore corner…..He was the only one on my radar before the JLT and he's done nothing for me not to pick him. Good luck all

Lekdog

Love it mate, appreciate the feedback!

slats7

Not sure where the best place is to post this, but I’ve still got spots left in my league (Rock the Casboult).

League code: 380622

Noah

Hey Boys,
Great podcast as usual. Just thought I'd post my team as quite unsure at the moment!
Any Feedback appreciated.
DEF: Laird, Witherden,Z.Williams,B Smith, Wilkie,Burgess (Hore,Watson)
MID: Macrae,Crippa,Oliver, Coniglio,Brayshaw, Walsh,Constable,Butters (Bewley, Hind,Scott)
RUC: Gawn, Grundy ( Sweet)
FWD: Dangerfield, D.Smith, Mundy,Setterfield,M.Parker, B Cavarra ( W.Drew, T Wilkinson)

Cheers,

Lekdog

Only one I have question marks on is Smith, feel like his role is changing to accomodate Shiel

NoLanguage96

Smith down to Greene or McCarthy gives you 300k to upgrade one of your mid rooks to Libba/Miles

TelescopicCox

Would love some feedback on my Post JLT team:

B – Lloyd, Crisp, Williams, Collins, Duursma, Clark (Hore, Burgess)
M – Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Coniglio, Dusty, Butters, Constable, Hind (Bewley, Ross, Gibbons)
R – Grundy, Gawn (Bines)
F – Danger, Heenry, Darling*, Moore, Setterfield, Parker (Petruccele, Drew)

I've got a few questions I'd love some feedback on

1.Darling vs Billings vs Greene for F3 – Currently on Darling, however Billings will help with my bye structure (heavy on premos missing in R13), while Greene will give me some flexibility to bring in Walsh (dependent on mid rookies available in R1)
2. Coniglio vs Treloar vs Oliver – Pick 2. I'm a Pies fan so it's hard to leave out Treloar, especially with Adams missing to start the year

Nick

I’d go with Billings F3 but Darling would be a good pick also. Remember that Darling’s form dropped post injury last year when JJK was in the side and he is due back in a few weeks. Treloar is a great pod but durability worries me so I’d go Oliver and Cogs

paul

666 will change that

Cockadoodle

Treloar’s durability? He’s been injured once in his career with a freak double hamstring

Derek

i havn't watched Tim Kelly during JLT, was happy with having Devon. What do people think, Devon or Tim.

If i go with Tim i can upgrade Butters to Cousins

Maverick_

If Tim cleans up his DE% Derek he will be top 6-8 easy. V Essendon he was everywhere. He can find the pill no worrries at all. Currently my F3

Derek

Will he be mainly midfield?

Maverick_

Yeah I think so Derek. JLT and preseason talk suggests he will be midfield

The Ranger

Check your byes too Derek, if you're running Danger and Heeney too it's tricky to fit another Cats player in the fwd line from the start.

Derek

Byes….shmize

The Ranger

Hehe he..

Beezneez

Had Smith and Dunkley in my first draft. Then dropped Dunkley after it looked like he'd be playing foward. I'm thinking Shiel and Zerrett and Heppel may take some midfield time from Smith. Dropped him for Kelly (less expensive than Menegola) and have now included Dunkley. Don't think there'll be much between them – I'm hoping Dunkley stays in the mids.

Lazza

I'd go Kelly over Smith.
But why would you upgrade Butters to Cousins? Butters will make more coin and allow you to upgrade sooner..

DavidC

Not sure on that. Cousins has a pure midfield role and Butters is playing as a small forward. Butters JLT1 was good but I can't see him scoring that high regularly. I have both these guys.

Derek

might leave Butters in guts and look at Moore in defense at the same price

CalebCripps922

Do i go Grundy Gawn Or Grundy Goldy and have a bit more cash to play with?

Lekdog

Depends on the rest of your side. Does that $150k help enough?

CalebCripps922

Just means Whitfeild to B.Smith
So i can go Goldy To Gawn

The Ranger

I haven't been able to see either of Ports JLT games and don't know much about Butters…any Port fans got an opinion on him and whether he can hold down a spot for long enough to make cash?
Another bloody expensive rookie….

neil demons delight

Hi Ranger The dees rated him that high they were desperate to trade their picks 23 and 29 or thereabouts for a teen pick to get him but couldn't do a deal I checked him out then and for what it's worth i rate him the number one pick Good luck this year Ranger

The Ranger

Onya Neil, thanks.
Hard to find some good cheap rookies these days eh? Cash generation is going to be slow at best methinks.
Should make for an interesting year, when to trade and when to hold for more cash generation will be tricky.
Best of luck mate.

Hawk131415

Get him in Ranger, had a very good jlt series, kid can play, enjoy your year.

NoLanguage96

Saw him first hand against my Kangas last week. Very good footballer. Lock him in, slim pickings everywhere else!

The Ranger

Thanks NoL, Hawk

Bells

Suicidal? Gee the rest of my team looks good. Reckon I'm a go with it.

DEF: Z Williams, B Smith, J Ridley, J Scrimshaw, J Clark, X Duursma – S Collins, M Hore

Boris_Baconbeer

My defense looked exactly like that for a little while. But sense prevailed. Way too much risk and too many trades to make later. Not only think about how to trade up but sometimes a fattened lamb has to be traded for a new born lamb. So many trades you have to make there.

KeenButClueless

Some real food for thought here. Have had Grundy from the start. First time all pre-season I am reviewing that decision. Thanks for your well constructed thoughts

paul

I agree My Mid has M5 B.Crouch , M6 Sheeds ,M7 Libba M8 Walsh. All going well i will only be trading Mid rookies for cash up to the byes.

paul

Not sold on Rocky on one game will wait and see maybe a corrected trade before price rise as he is only 400.

Derek

HO to advantage is never that high.

Maybe 25% is good

Derek

it is hard to get info on the HO to advantage

The Saltshakers

Def: Lloyd, Laird, Smith, Roberton, Clark, Dursma, (Burgess, Hore)
Mid: Macrae, Cripps, Dusty, M.Crouch, Rocky, Sheed, Walsh, Constable (Bewley, Scott, Gibbons)
Ruck: Grundy, Gawn, (Clarke)
Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Greene, Setterfield, Drew, Bolta (Parker, Cavarra)

$22k left

Feedback please, im very late this year to my SC research (started friday)

Russty_

You'd probably have to put a line through Roberton for now, and some of your rookies won't be there round 1, just have a look through the forums for the most popular rookies this week mate.

todd

Greene will burn you when he does something silly or gets injuried

The Saltshakers

Thanks lads,

Have loaded up on rookies I think will be getting games.

Def: Laird, Smith, Roberton, *Ridley, Clark, Dursma, (Collins, Scrimshaw)
Mid: Macrae, Cripps, Dusty, M.Crouch, Rocky, Sheed, *Cousins,Walsh, Constable (*Butters, Scott, Gibbons)
Ruck: Grundy, Gawn, (Clarke)
Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Greene, Setterfield, Moore, Drew, (Bolta,*Petrucelle, )

$13,100

The Saltshakers

Hey Ranger,

Yeah mate….wasnt gonna play for first time in 6 years, been a bit unwell…

The Ranger

Hopefully the SC will give you a bit of distraction mate.
V2 of the team looks better already, just another 38 or so more versions before Rd1 and you'll be set.
Best of luck for the year.

Russty_

Hi Saltshakers, I think if you downgraded Cousins and Clarke to cheaper rookies, you could afford Williams instead of Roberton, also I don't trust Moore's durability so if you downgraded him to Parker you might be able to upgrade Greene to a premo..I don't mind Greene though, I'm also starting him.
Can't see Balta getting a game…or if he does maybe only a few.
Clarke could become Bines for your permanent doughnut/ loophole.

The Ranger

Hey Salty, bloody late start this year mate!
Lots of value in the def line, Lloyd and Laird are top priced IMO.
And I can't bring myself to spend that much in the ruck either, Grundy and Goldy for me this year.

TommyC99

Hey guys, any thoughts on my team much appreciated. Think i'm pretty close to my round 1 side. If i need extra cash for rookies then will probably downgrade one of Macrae or Oliver to Neale or a slightly cheaper mid premo for the extra bit of funds. 9k Left over as it stands.

Def: Laird, Crisp, Witherden, Williams, Collins, Clark (Watson, Hore)
Mid: Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Dusty, B Crouch, Walsh, Setterfield, Constable (Valente, Scott, Gibbons)
Ruc: Grundy, Goldy (fort)
Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Mundy, Drew, Petrucelle, Cavarra (Burgess, Parker)

The Ranger

Looks good Tommy, I'd prefer to see Crouch at M6 but I guess with that backline.spend you can't achieve that.
Good luck for the year ahead mate.
What's the go with Watson? is it just for the DPP?

TommyC99

Hey Ranger, no real reason behind it i have just seen him in a few sides on here, so hes in as a placeholder.
I have tossed up potentially Crisp down to Brodie Smith so i can upgrade Brad Crouch to a less risky/rolled gold pick, but Crisp's performance yesterday justified why i have had him in my side most of the preseason.

DavidC

Too many forward on field rooks. Drew probably only lasts 2 rounds until Wines is back, Cavarra didn't play any JLTs.

Will

Macrae worth the money?
Or should i save my money and go with Fyfe?

Hawk131415

Im 50/50 atm, Fyfe goes big as does Macrae although Fyfe gets injured and suspended, ive stayed with Macca,

TommyC99

Macrae is in my side atm but he is by no means a certainty. Got taggers waiting for him first few weeks so thinking he might just drop in price a little bit. Would be a hell of a risk though.

Brn

The year why fyfe is a bad premium option in comparison to another is rare. Going against the bandwagon and picking fyfe for much cheaper could be a good idea, especially since dogs are running half their team through the mids

Brn

But dam just remember macrae is at breakout age and could go 130+

Cripps9

Take out Macrae's injury affected gamed his true av LY = 131.3.
Averaged 138.8 in last 5 rds.
Prior to LY only missed 2 games in 4 years.
He is in my team.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Just a quick one:

I am starting Grawndy in the ruck:

1. They should score more than any other ruck by quite a margin esp with the new ruck rules and giving their mids first use
2. I was going to start goldy but if you do is he a keeper or will you use a trade to upgrade/trade him to GG?
3. Money saved was going to be used on another premo fwd but they didn't fill me with confidence at F3 so figure may as well just start GG and a mid priced fwd can upgrade to a premo who fails to fire in the first 5-6 weeks.

4. This is probably the biggest reason to start GG. If you look at the draw between the 2 of them (not counting byes) they play early so are a VC option for a massive 14 games for the season!

That stat alone has the big 2 locked and loaded in my team!

Giddyup – lets get this season rollin ….

TommyC99

Hey Trig, what are you planning on doing with the byes? Will make it tougher to play the full 18 as thats 2 of the 4 on field donuts locked in.I currently have Goldy and Grundy locked in but you bring up some good points.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Almost going with stuff the byes this year after all the planning last year came crashing down

But having a look guess you bring in the neales, sicilys, dunkley, zerretts etc before or after their bye so you are not so reliant on rooks?

Hawk131415

Gone off Grundy Trigga, Saved some cash to help other lines, he'll drop in price and if still no.1 ruck trade up to him,

TRIGGA_HAPPY

one of the 7 so he is locked

Russty_

If you compare Goldy to Gawn or Grundy Trig there's a diff of about 25- 30 points per week from last year, and that's when Goldy was still coming out of his funk.
If you spent the extra $160,200 from not getting Grundy and spent that on an extra Forward who averages 90-95, or upgraded one of your midpriced backs to a guy who averages 25-30 more than the guy you had before, then it's a fair trade.
And Goldy could go better than 100 av this year…could, also Grundy could do worse than last year, just a thought.

I, like everyone else, wants to end up with the 2 best Ruckmen for sure, but I'm willing to start without Grundy, to strengthen other lines in the beginning.
People will say, why do that when you'll only have to get him in eventually anyway?…so I can have an extra mid keeper and not have to bet on one of those dodgy injury magnets is the answer…and that extra keeper applies to the other 2 lines besides Ruck.

John

Would welcome comment on my team. I have English at R2 waiting for Mummy to come back. Bench players are no doubt going to change

B: Mills, Williams, Newman, B.Smith, Ridley, Collins (Scrimshaw, Watson)
M: Dangerfield, Martin, M.Crouch, Taranto, B.Crouch, Sheed, Libratore, Setterfield (Bewley, Hind, Gibbons)
R: Goldstein, English, (Clarke)
F: D.Smith, Heeney, Kelly, Dalhaus, Fisher, Z.Bailey (Burgess, Cavarra)

TommyC99

Far too many midpricers imo. Your season could end in distaster very very quickly. Midpricers aren't guaranteed to work hence why you should usually pick and choose which ones. I counted 13 mid priced players which is far too many risks and ultimately you would be lucky if half paid off and turned into keepers/worthwhile money makers. I would use this site to find more rookies which will allow you to spend the money on the proven scorers. Also fwd line is quite thin this year so i don't think you can afford to keep danger in the guts.

TommyC99

Goldy, Macrae and Mundy

or

Gawn, Neale and Billings

Brn

Gawn, macrae and a punt on a greene priced boye

TommyC99

That would work, dont mind it at all. Greene is a pretty big risk tho

Brn

There are others but i like Greene due to his likelihood of averaging 85 +, as he has done the last few years. I think its stupid to not pick him due to i jury risk, especially when all you need is 5 or so decent games

Dermin8r

I'd go: Goldy, Mac, Mundy, solid performers will score points for you for sure

Hawk131415

Team is set, I'm very happy with my structure, Barring any injuries or anything from here on in, until RD1 it wont change! Hopefully picked all the right rooks,,,

Nice_Person

What is it

Hawk131415

I cant give out that kind of confidential information Nice, Have you settled mate??

Hawk131415

been doing it everyday Rocksta, enoughs enough LOL

Brn

Honest thoughts on my team guys and girls?

Laird, williams, smith, sctimshaw, clarke, duursma (watson, hore)

Macrae, cripps, neale, coniglio, m crouch, b crouch, walsh, constable (scott, akins, gibbons)

Grundy/gawn (loop)

Danger, heeney, kelly, setterfield, drew, petruccelle (burgess, balta)

I know criticism will come because i've gone light in defence and especially fwds, but i believe i can cover them well enough. However, i desperately want to swap neale to oliver, as I am very keen on oliver as a 120+ player. For this reason, I am still hoping for that one odd rookie chance to be named round 1 to save just a little cash on a rookie. Does anyone have a suggestion that would save me jist the 20k it would take to upgrade neale to oliver, or am i pushing it as is?

Only $400 left ^^

hedski

I like it Brn, similar def spend to mine, have Walsh M6 so not as deep in the middle.
Looks solid

Brn

Thanks 🙂

Griggsy

Whitfield for Laird?

murray

I like it, very solid. Similar to my team, check my post

DavidC

Too much spend in the midfield. Going to have problems with onfield back and forward rooks.

Will

Smith, Mundy, Dunkley or Gray for f4?

Already have Danger, kelly and Heeney

Brn

They are all risks to an extent. My risk out of those is dunkley, as i think he is still young and will see enough mid to improve on last season as a whole. I would have picked kelly first, and are slightly concerned about your other lines if you are considering a 500kish player as f4. I would take a risk on the many options for that position, as all you really need is a decent cash maker, and the ability to choose a premo who reveals themselves is quite priceless. But of it has to be one, i vote dunkley easily

Brn

And just further to this because i have had some pretty rude comments, but have finished within the top 10 overall 2 years back, and spend far too much time on supercoach. Hopefully someone values that before shooting me down with 'the norm cookie cutter teams' suggestions. That is all

Lazza

Good advice BRN .. not sure why anyone would shoot you down .. all opinions are valid… you don't need to justify yourself .. however, I'm glad you told us about your Top 10 performance, that is substance… .. . I agree with the Dunkley view …. sometimes we look for the forest rather than the trees… Gray is a bit fragile in my mind .. Mundy is reliable, but limited upside (unlike Dunkley) and Smith will only come good once the Bombers realise they are getting lesser value from Smith in his new role…

Brn

Its one of the biggest shames of football that Gray was moved out of the midfield shortly before turning 28. Now, at 31, there is unfortunately little chance of him averaging 100 again. He deserved a much better shot at a brownlow. I love mundy but he should only average around 90, which is crap at his price. Smith is valuable as a h/f type and i wouldn't be surprised with him dropping back down to a mid 80s average (makes you shudder at the thought). Toss a coin for dunkley and t kelly – cant go wrong really

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Here here on 50 shades.
With winguard gone 50 shades will patrol the 50 .

He is a gun but wont score consistently as a fwd.

Will

Thanks for the replies

Brn

I want to say to all that picking a player with a high intent to trade isnt the end of the world – in fact, i consider it a huge fallacy when picking an original team, as it degrades originality among other things. Players will get injured, and trades will be made. 1 trade is not the end of the world, and if it means taking a risk that could payoff (yes i mean bcrouch, greene, smith ect) then it doesnt mean much at all really. If you have a hunch, by god take it. There is always an upside of picking a pod gun who is less than your pick, and just pray that you miss 1 injury at some point. Too much emphasis on potential injuries that can be rectified.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Thats the way I roll

Back ya gut more often than not it is the right call.

Looking like crouching 1, crouching 2 at the moment.

Gibbs

Which Option-
Luke Ryan and Cognilio
or
Zac Williams and Lachie Neale?

Luke ryan didnt have a great Jlt but still got decent scores (83 from 14 disposals) which make me unsure about him, can he average 95?

Brn

Z williams and coniglio plus cash all the way

Tyruddanaut

I have Williams and Coniglio

Shake_n_bake

Can anyone tell me where l sit in the draft?

hedski

I think you sat in pole position shaker.

gator59

Danger first up Shake

Clarky

Would love to hear everyones thoughts on not starting Laird this year? Is he as essential as previous years? Obviously there is a fair amount of talk surrounding him in regards to what impact will Smith and Milera will have on him. IN 2017 both him and Smith played 22 games and Laird still averaged a ton. So i guess its what impact will Milera have.

Brn

Its tempting to go for a crisp type and save 70k. And as much as i'd like to skimp on the cash, i think we need to have either Lloyd or laird as f1. Painful but essential

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Laird is a gun and will b top 6.

Im not starting him as cant have too many crows in my side.

He will find his way in eventually but.

Spifflicator

I have neither Laird nor Lloyd. Sicily and Whitfield sit at D1&2 for me with Williams and Smith at 3&4.

Westy

New league 450231 All welcome

Dan

Thoughts on James Cousins over Butters?

Hawk131415

Anyones guess atm mate

Tyruddanaut

Cousins only scored 70 when Hawthorn had the full team. I would say Butters because he scored better in both games

Sharkmove_King

I'd say Butters just because he is significantly cheaper

Russty_

I reckon Butters cause he's cheeky, and everyone knows it's Butters!

Brn

If you like fyfe a lot more, please pick fyfe and it will work out later. For what its worth, i like kelly just as much so wouldn't worry. Kelly has more room to grow

Browncow

Ross said on Sunday that Fyfe will be playing round 1 Rocksta but won’t have a hit out in a WAFL practice game this weekend (with Conca, Darcy and others building fitness). Would love them both in my team come finals.

Captain Risky

So, if T. Lynch plays round 1, anyone game to pick him? Seems to be more and more likely that he might..

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Nope capt
Steering clear of interrupted or may play rd 1 pre seasons. 😁

Tyruddanaut

Trig has it right. Key forwards don't always score well when their getting beaten by 100

Maverick_

Why would lynch be getting beaten by 100 at the tigers?

Tyruddanaut

Because he’s playing the blues

Lekdog

Nope

Josh

Billings or darling or dare I say greene

Tyruddanaut

I would say Greene, but Billings is also tempting

NoLanguage96

Greene of those three

Willymack1234

Def: Laird, Crisp, Williams, Smith, Duursma, Hore (Burgess, Watson)

Mid: Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Coniglio, M Crouch, Walsh, Butters, Scott (Constable, Hind, Gibbons)

Ruck: Gawn, Goldy (Fort)

Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Mundy, Setterfield, Miers, Drew (Petruccelle, Parker)
136k left over
Any thoughts would be well appreciated

Tyruddanaut

I have the similar issue of an awkward amount of money left over. If I were you, I'd take Ridley in defense and upgrade Watson, who didn't play JLT2. If you have enough after that, I would go Duursma to Clark too.

I like the mid except for Fyfe, who is a risk to play R1 and has had an interrupted preseason, but hey, he could be the 2019 version of 2018 Dangerfield.

Do you go for the Cats, because Miers is questionable considering he showed no signs in JLT. I would choose Balta, who scored well and played significant game time

Brian.

Hi everyone. welcome to the 2019 season. Feel free to join my league BundyBears 840224. You dont have to be an expert. Just have a good time and play every week.

Griggsy

Cheers, Leaners FC in

Cozza

Thanks Brian – Spankmes just jumped in

Gord29

Gawn and Moore or Goldy and Greene?

Hawk131415

Gord i wouldnt go Moore or Greene, both injury prone and Greene gets suspended on top of that, theres better options mate

Tyruddanaut

Goldy and Greene. With Preuss coming back, Gawn will see more time playing up forward

Hawk131415

Doubt that massively

Gord29

I know buts That's all the budget is allowing at the moment haha so much chopping and changing going to happen

Hawk131415

Looked at Vanders or McCarthy?

Gord29

not a fan of mccarthy hawk to be honest, he originally come from near home and has always had injuries through juniors

Tyruddanaut

Gawn and Goodwin both said it

Hawk131415

Where Tyru

Stifflerrrr

Sidebottom or crouch?

Coniglio or treloar?

Hawk131415

Cogs and which Crouch??

Stifflerrrrr

Matty crouch over sidey?

TommyC99

As a pies man, as much as i'd love to have 1 of Treloar or Sidey, id probably pick Crouch and Cogs. I think you can definitely make a case for Treloar over Cogs, but definitely Crouch over sidey.

Tyruddanaut

Crouch, Gogniglligog. End of discussion

Hawk131415

Matt or Brad?!!!!!

Ralph

At that price range I think we can assume its Matty C

Tyruddanaut

Either but I prefer Matt.

Matty

Hey guys

Macrae and Greene

or

Neale and Billings

Tyruddanaut

I'm going to say Macrae and Greene.
My predictions are:
125 + 85
115 + 90

I think that Billings will be solid but not top class enough to justify his selection over Greene, who is a fantastic player

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Geez heaven help anyone rolling with 3 fwd rooks on ground.

Thats a tough ask based on JLT.
2 is ok but 3 is really pushing the proverbial.

Tyruddanaut

I'll keep Sett and Drew no matter what, but I want to get out Parker, Balta or Petrucelle and go with 4 premos / 3 + 1 MP. If Greene had played the full game he would have had north of 100 points, and if he played like he did in the 1st half of the 1st 1/4, he would've had 200. I like him

Russty_

Think Toby will be ok if he stays fit, drops the occasional turd but also can go well over 100..the flog factor is also an issue but I'm willing to risk it, can always downgrade to the latest rookie tearing it up if it doesn't work out.

TommyC99

Agreed but struggling to find the cash without moving heaven and earth. Is Moore/Elliot a viable option? Other option im tossing up is running Greene and Billings F3/4, which would mean having to downgrade Laird and Macrae to Brodie Smith and Neale. But would mean only having to field 2 fwd rookies, 1 being setters

TommyC99

Yeah it essentially would be, but as trig said, having to field 2 out of 4 fwd rookie slots(setterfield picks himself) available each week will be a struggle. I could fit in Moore or Elliot by downgrading Laird to Smith but not sold on either of them at this stage

TommyC99

Yeah Moore is definitely injury prone, although he has the role to be a good scorer if he plays. Its just about getting 6-8 games out of him before he gets injuried. Would you Keep Laird and run 3 rookies in the fwd line or drop him for B Smith and Bring in Moore at f4?

Hawk131415

I got 6 of em

TRIGGA_HAPPY

cant really see any other option than to pony up the dough for F4 and run two rooks on fields at f5/6

Skindog

Well that’s dumb

Russty_

????

Dusty train

Any feedback on the team/structure? Thinking of going light in defence due to plethora of defence rookies. Haven't had Lloyd all season and although Laird's score have been solid, they're not overwhelming.. I'll trade him at cheaper.
Loading up in the guts with premo's and finally came around to a GnG combo in the ruck.

DEF:
Hurn, H.Shaw, Williams, Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore)

MID:
Cripps, Neale, Treloar, Congilio, M.Crouch, B.Crouch, Walsh, Butters (Constable, Atkins, Gibbons)

RUCK:
Gawn, Goldy (Bines)

FWD:
Dangerfield, Heeney, Billings, Setterfield, Drew, Petruccelle (Burgess, Parker)

Tyruddanaut

Try to add Fort into the R3 position, he is likely to get some game time.
If not, Zac Clarke and Archie Smith may play

Too strong in the midfield. I understand that there aren't many good premo options in the forward and backlines, but there aren't as many rookies either. I would remove one midfielder (Anyone but Cripps and Coniglio) and replace it on another line (Lloyd, WAlters, B Smith + Greene etc.)

I do like the on-field ruck combo, I might copy it.
Premium selections are also well thought out

Dusty train

Love your feedback here mate!

A mistake I made season was probably starting the loophole too early.. do you think Fort is most likely to get the most game time out of those three? I'll put him in for now, although Clarke did have a strong JLT and Bellchambers has only played more than 18 games once in the last half a dozen seasons.

Yeah I thought I was starting to go a bit too expensive in the mid.. I like my midfield selections too much but I'll downgrade and bolster my forward line

JEL

Running the same Ruck line as you.
I'm sticking with Bines at R3 as my capt loop

derek

I like the Hurn selection, i'm starting to look at him seriously.

Moore is a good option instead of Collins. took alot of the kickins and a good intercept mark. great value.

dontblushbaby

To Cat supporters ,will Constable get picked for Round 1? I worry about the JS with rookies in the better teams

Tyruddanaut

Constable only played 50% game time in JLT 2 and had an average of 61%. He may play, but it is unlikely with Geelong's added midfield depth

P.s. Im a non-supporter

WinnerzRGrinnerz

As a cats fan it’s likely he’ll get games throughout the season but unsure about immediately (barring injuries) due to stacked midfield already. Atkins is the one I see starting and keeping his position as he’ll play a half forward role with his tackling pressure, chopping in to the midfield for periods if needed. Constable more a stand-alone midfielder only. If both are named round 1 I’m rolling with Atkins ahead of Constable.

WithAllDueRespect

I don't think so no. Atkins and Clark yes.

KevG

Constable starred in last years JLT and couldn't get a game so I don't see why he would this year. Atkins is more likely and Jordan clark will play until Touhy and/or Bews come back but then he'll also be back in VFL until injuries happen. 144k is too much to have blocking up your def bench and nobody should waste a mid rookie spot when there are so many around

Tbag86

What is everyone’s thoughts on Sam Collins? Scored well in JLT1 but couldn’t back it up in JLT2. I’m thinking he is a bit overpriced and maybe better value in other defensive rookies.

What order would you rank:
– S.Collins
– J.Clark
– J.Scrimshaw
– X.Duursma

Tyruddanaut

1. Clark AVG 77,Time Adjusted Score (TAS) 80, TOG aggregate 154, Return on Investment (ROI) 192-203% 144k
2. Scrimshaw AVG 73, TAS 72, TOG 163, ROI 163-167%, 149k
3. Collins AVG 72.5, TAS 67, TOG 173, ROI 94-101%
4. Duursma AVG 59, TAS 75, TOG 125, ROI 147-217%

Sharkmove_King

I actually have Clark last. I think the scoring potential of all 4 is similar, but he has the worst job security with Tuohy due back soon.

1.Collins
2.Duursma
3.Scrimshaw
4.Clark

Lazza

Clarke
Duursmaa
Collins
Scrimshaw

I have Duursmaa ahead due to his price differential, and Collins ahead of Scrimshaw due to job security..

Dermin8r

Wow, you got the band back together! Great podcast fellas, it was great to have the variety of opinions and insights.
Community, I'm pretty new at SC and would appreciate your input on my team as it now stands.
DEF: Sicily, Crisp, Williams, Rozee, Scrimshaw (Collins, Duursma)
MID: Cripps, Neale, Coniglio, Selwood, Taranto, O’Meara, Constable, Bewley, (Hately, Atkins, Chandler)
RUCK: Goldy, Mumford* (Fort) *I know the club have suspended him for the first 2 games, but SC starts round 3, doesn’t it?
FWD: Dangerfield, Heeney, Darling, Setterfield, Burgess, Parker (Balta, Cavarra)
Thanks in advance!

derek

if you are only playing for head 2 head leagues, yes it starts in week 3. overall score starts week 1

you are one short in defense.

Hawk131415

"Got the band back together" but new at supercoach?? makes sense, NOT!!!! Hahahahahahahaha

Tyruddanaut

If that is true, Carlton is screwed badly!!!!!

Lekdog

That's god damn madness

Nick

Hi community, Libba or B Crouch?

Boris_Baconbeer

I guess the 100k doesn't matter? Still prolly Libber if it's to raise money and if ya can't pick go the cheaper option.

Hawk131415

Sheed

NoLanguage96

Option 1: Ridley D5 & Butters M7

OR

Option 2: Collins D5 & Cousins M7

Boris_Baconbeer

1 for sure

Boris_Baconbeer

Treloar and Greene or Libber and T.Kelly ??????

Nick

Libber and T.Kelly

Derek

Kelly and libba

Hawk131415

Whats the point of this site if you respond to peoples posts but they couldnt be f%#$#d responding to or acknowledging your response?? must be a click thing!!! have a magnificent season, Pie out

Russty_

Don't take it personally Hawk, could be any number of reasons…..
They're tired,
They don't like your answer,
They've already gone to bed,
Their baby just shat it's daks and it's their turn,
Their Dog won't stop barking and they have to go and tell it to FK up,
Their Phone died,
Their Internet died,
etc….etc….lol

Hawk131415

Nah that doesnt cut it, they responded to other peoples comments, so must not be in "The Click" All good, and i get youre jokes, EATLODYMF

Russty_

Don't worry about it man…just post what you want to post, if others don't like it, just keep posting lol, I don't know what eatlodymf means but , there will always be trolls who want to shoot you down or whatever, but if someone doesn't reply, brush it off, it don't mean nuthin.
Like I said, could be any number of reasons.
Don't think there are any Cliques here…there's just the quality of your last post I guess.
It's up to them whether they like it or not.

Boris_Baconbeer

Dunno what your on about really I have seen plenty of people chatting with you in various threads. Sorry mate but I disagree with you on this occasion.

Hawk131415

And youre welcome to Boris, of course, cheers, my point is that if you ask a question and someone is kind enough to offer an opinion then you should at least acknowledge the response with something as little as Thanks XXXX??not just ignore it and only respond to the ones you "like"? otherwise people might just stop responding all together?

Boris_Baconbeer

Oh sometimes I just bump the thumbs up things up 1. Maybe that is another reason. Not sure.

Hawk131415

All good mate

Tom

Oliver and 80k left over or Macrae with 13k left over? Bare in mind i have Greene in my side currently

Tom

I mention Greene in case i may need that extra cash for any reason

Russty_

I'd start with Oliver Tom, he could end up equaling or bettering Macrae possibly, if Greene roundhouses someone to the head or gets injured again, then you could trade to a half decent forward.
Bear in mind though, Macrae could be hard to get in if you don't start with him, that's the other side of it.

Tom

Thanks for the response russty! I tend to agree re the dilemma of bringing in macrae later on. I dont think he drops more than 80k max so would most likely take 2 trades to bring him in.

Russty_

No probs Tom, good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Banga

Brodie Smith and Mundy or Laird and Greene?

Russty_

I have Smith Laird and Greene but of your choices I'd pick Laird and Greene.

Harrison

Is having 4 Uber’s At M1-4 then BCrouch libba Walsh at M5/6/7 Okay?? I don’t usually like midprice in the middle.. I just want to be as able to bat deeper down fwd & back though.. is crouch and libba doing us any disservice or going to waste trades..

Russty_

No one's sure yet Harrison, time will tell though, the first 2 are risky cause they're injury magnets, Walsh should do ok.

Tim

Crouch and Libba could end horrendously, amazingly, or just end up as plain annoyances that aren’t quite top-shelf premium, but are good enough that moving them on feels like a waste of a trade

Russty_

Had to leave half way through Gator's Draft and ended up with 2 rookies in the midfield and 4 Rucks on the bench…lol, it was all going ok until then, pretty much every other team is predicted to outscore me by about 150 points…hahah, but I will prevail I tells yas!
How the hell are you supposed to pick your pre-draft list anyhoo?…do you stagger it one line at a time or just make the ones you want the most top priority?…I'm still not sure.
If anyone could answer I'd appreciate it, I'm a draft rookie.