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PODCAST | The (Long) Italian Job

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Episode names for podcasts are hard, but sometimes they just fall into your lap. It’s like finding that perfect word, or finding that thing that fits perfectly on your windowsill, or a tool that fits perfectly in your toolbox.

This was one of them. It’ll make sense eventually. Trust me. Lek and Patch go absolutely off the rails on a super-long, mega, extraordinary JLT-coverage rampage through each and every game.

There’s tears, there’s tribulations, there’s terrible, terrible jokes, but above all there are nuggets of Supercoach relevance in this bumper edition of the Jock Reynolds Community Podcast.

Check out every single JLT match review on the website, with huge shout-outs to Damo, Kev and Barron von Crow for throwing them together.

Look out for each other, too – and for those going through tough times in drought or bushfires, accept a bit old hug from us and for the rest of the community.

Get around each other, get around your teams and most importantly, GET AROUND JACK BILLINGS*.

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Patch

Apologies for this one being so late, community. It's a long one and there were a lot of problems with editing. That said, if you want anything more in-depth about any of the games or either of us (Lek) is speaking to quickly, head to the games we've covered, including one the beautiful Damo covered while we were recording and couldn't discuss: http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2019/03/04/fremant

Love you all xoxo

Lekdog

Shoutout to this man for staying up all night to edit <3

Rick Grimes

Great work chaps. A smorgasbord of food for thought.

fcabel

Outstanding POD. Think it's your best one yet ❤️🎯👍👌👊

TrollMan

No need to apologise mate but, try kissing me again and I'll punch you on the nose.

Iamme

Super deluxe extended Pod this week fellas…nice!.

Holty01

Nice work lads. Looking forward to listening to it later on.

Nice_Person

Is mills a lock?
Looks to be playing midfeild and had a nice DT to SC ratio

SC_Kev7

Jury still out if it’s a full time gig. Swans were missing a few of their first choice back 6 the other night, hopefully they play JLT2 and we’ll see what this means for Miils

Sharkmove_King

We say it every year but there has to become a time when this guy becomes a midfielder and now appears to be the time.

All comes down to JLT2 for me. If he plays mid and plays well he's in.

Patch

Definitely not a lock, but one to keep an eye on. So many underpriced defensive options and so little space to pick them in. Need to see him back it up before I can consider him

Rivo

Look forward to a listen later lads. 👍🏽

So do we bin Fort now or give him one more chance? Can’t see Sweet getting a run. Any other rook R3 options that may provide cover?

Sharkmove_King

I doubt any will play Round 1, unless if you're willing to pay 200k+ and get a Pierce, Smith or Longer.

Zac Clarke is only 1 injury to Bellchambers away from being a very good cow at 144k. Bellchambers is pretty injury prone so I think that's a decent option.

Other than that you could pick a 102k r/f but that's probably only worth it if u see Westhoff a top,8 fwd and plan on getting him later. Sweet at 102k might be the better option.

TelescopicCox

Agree with Sharkmove_King. If no solid R3 rookie appears I'd look at a 102K R/F rookie. The swingset comes in handy in case of a ruck injury

Rivo

True though my structures and cash don’t allow the luxury of a Westoff at F3. Will need to think on this one. Fort has laid the peverbial on field turd!

Patch

I think the rookie ruck scenario is dead and buried, Rivo. We might get some games out of Zac Clarke but beyond that I'm skeptical.

More than happy to be proven wrong, mind you!

Sellars1226

Who will score more Williams or Smith?

magic mullet

they'll average within 5 points of each other so I'm going for both but it depend on cost as Williams is 80k more and bye structure

Nice_Person

Both have the same bye

Lazza

Which Smith? If Brodie… Williams by +10.

magic mullet

other than danger and Heeney, what forward premos or even mid pricer should i target because my forward line is in tatters and there are barely any rookies to cover

Patch

I'm big on both Devon Smith and Mitch Wallis having seen them in action, but we're in dire straits up forward, Mullet. Dire straits indeed.

magic mullet

ill have to have a look at walters as well now with no neale and playing a lot of midfield lately

Ty vickery

Mitch Wallis?? Bloke has never played a full season. People scared of Fyfe for the same reason. I know which one is more likely to be top 10 in their position

Patch

(also JACK BILLINGS)

Ty vickery

Menegola will outscore heeney and smith again this year

Hawk131415

Been liking Wallis from the get go, but the way my team is structured i cant afford him, plays a lot of mid, goes for little stints up forward, kicks one or two, tackles, really like him, and at $498,800, i think hes good value, keeps getting better, hell, i might take him over Heeney and pick Heeney up later on, sure to drop in price, just sold myself,lol

Sellars1226

Thoughts on team

DEF: Laird, Sicily, Smith, Roberton, Collins, Clarke ( Hore, Greaves)
MID: Macrae, Crippa, Neale, Dusty, M Crouch, Libba, Walsh, Butters ( Constable, Hind, Gibbons )
RUC: Gawn, Goldy ( Fort )
FWD: Danger, Heeney, Billings, Setterfield, Drew, Parker ( Wilkinson, Gibbons)

Sharkmove_King

Gibbons is in there twice, that's the first thing I notice…but not a big deal obviously that F8 is someone else.

Overall, I like the team. The 2 things I'd question are no Grundy & forward line looks a tad light. But with every starting team there's always a weak spot (mine included) and overall I think it would be a very competitive side

Sellars1226

F8 is Cotrell my mistake. Am currently trying to get Grundy in moving players and what not

Sellars1226

Can get Grundy if Fort goes to Fullarton but not sure he will play, not sure if Fort will play either tbh

BadgerHoney7

greaves won't play so probably move him on, other than that pretty nice team. billings nice pod

Tony

Don’t like the Sicily pick but that’s just me, could be a bit of bias there. Really like your team otherwise.

Patch

Looking really nice there Sellars. Well balanced.

Ryan

Thoughts lads

DEF: Lloyd, laird, Williams, Smith, Clarke, Duursma, (Hore, Watson)

MID: Macrae, cripps, Fyfe, Oliver, Neale, libba, Walsh, butters, (constable, Bewley, gibbons)

Ruck: Grundy, Goldy, (Sweet)

FWD: Danger, Heeney, setterfield, Burgess, Balta, petruccelle, (Parker, Cavarra)

Any help would be great

Derek

Fyfe’s elbow worries me. Kelly same price.

A seriously good midfield.

magic mullet

I would start cavara or parker over petrucelle

Lazza

Yep, I had Pet initially… totally gone off him after JLT1… gone off Quaynor as well… ok in team scratch matches…. frightened rabbit in the real deal… gone straight to Clarke.. slightly more expensive but will deliver..

Tony

How does cavarra get a game if he can’t get into a 26 man team for JLT 1. Highly doubt he starts

Hawk131415

Agree tghere Tony, line through him and Valente

Tony

fwd line very risky, other lines are strong.

Ryan

Thanks lads

Maverick_

you don’t need to start six 600k mids Ryan. So much value between 520-590k. Crouch dusty beams Zerrett Sloane brayshaw. Even watch tarantos JLT2. Free up some cash for ya fwd line. Rooks are thin there balta won’t play he plays Lynch’s role they didn’t pay 10mil for Tom to play a rookie. Pettrucelle was horrible in JLT & cavarra couldn’t even make dogs JLT1. Parker and setters an Burgess should be solid enough.

DavidC

Balta probably will play because they need a second ruck. Lynch won't be risked in the ruck. Soldo is the one that will go out when Lynch comes in.

Lazza

Hmm, he did some fwd rucking in the VFL, but wasn't the 2nd ruck… he is only 194cm tall …can jump and has good size… a fair bit taller than last years ruck though…. don't get in his way … he'll hurt ya…

Dice_real

Pick 4 out of…..
Jack Macrae, Paddy Cripps, Clayton Oliver, Josh Kelly, Lachie Neale.
And why is that poor bugger left out??

CJudd3Votes

Kelly because of injury history

Sharkmove_King

The first 3 are rock solid so none of thoughs….That leaves Kelly or Neale. Neale more durable, Kelly more upside. If you want safe go Neale.

Prizza

Mcrae may be cheaper come round four after running into Hewitt, Howe, and Millar!

Nice_Person

Yeah millar did a job on him last year

Derek

I’m leave out Macrae. Expensive and too many bulldog mids makes me nervous

Nice_Person

He's the only one that plays full mid

PizzaSafety

Miller only went to him at stages in the 2nd half, wasn’t a strong tag, and according to the prospectus he’s one the best taggers in the league.

Sixtybloody6

Lol. Not picking a keeper because he will cop taggers. Good luck bud.

GoodQuestion

Let's say he's 50k cheaper after 3 rounds, how do you bring him in without dumping another 500k+ player?

Lazza

Only based on the need for $$$$$$$ elsewhere … Neale over Kelly… it’s only $10k… but every bit is gonna count this season..

Maverick_

macrae cripps oliver neale..
Kelly not playing any JLT.

grab him when he drops 50+k from starting the season slowly

Kevin Sheedy

15 mins into the podcast, normally great but you guys really butchered the Essendon segment!
– Haven't seen Ridley before? He was a cash cow option just last year (ended up getting injured in his 3rd game yes, but strange to not remember him for SC podcasters).
– Zac Clarke was playing defence last year??
– McGrath 2nd year blues??
– "Doing the classic Zach Merrett… getting injured in pre-season, missing the first few rounds" – is this purely based on last year? The guy has missed 1 game in 3 years (and it was a round 21 game), he also generally starts the season pretty well (unlucky to get KO'd and deal with concussion early last year).

Sorry to be so blunt but was a tough few mins to listen to.

Gord29

Mate than just put an HOUR podcast up, each did a rewiew over the weekend and add going through content others have sent them…. think you can ignore it as these blokes arent getting paid a cent for providing the wonderful content thats on this site

George

Yeah lets just ignore all of the incorrect or misleading information. it is only a game after all and it's not like these guys are calling themselves authorities on the game. if we wanted precise educated analysis to help win overall rank we'd be at SCT this site is for league players who don't care about rank, or facts 🙂

JR community

SCT is for rookies mate, this site has more educated/experienced players

Lazza

C’mon George .. a funded site vs hobby… get some perspective

Gord29

I'm sure the boys would be happy to put in more time for coin to mate. It's a free site which they donate a hell of a lot of time to keep things running. Plus alot of members discussing info is great help

Lekdog

Cheers Gords.

For the record I know I said he Merrett misses the first few games, what I meant was he goes missing in the first few games.

Clarke played a bunch of time in defence in the WAFL last year.

Kevin Sheedy

The old double down… let's delve deeper then:
– Merrett broke out as a premium in 2016, here are his numbers since
2016: First month 117, Season avg 111
2017: First month 114, Season avg 109
2018: Knocked out in round 1, destroyed his start to the season
– Zac Clarke's numbers last year, can't see where he could've fit in time in defence
He kicked a score in 18/20 games
His lowest hitout tally was 25 in a game
It's just worth mentioning that he performed well as a forward last year

I understand this podcast is unpaid, you give up a lot of your time that the rest of us wouldn't be willing to give up, but a lot of people listen to your advice so errors should still be called out. Just a bad few minutes.

Gord29

Looking forward to listening to your jlt2 podcast Kevin Sheedy

Nice_Person

Yeah so many listeners seasons will be over now that there was a mention of Clark playing defence.
End of the day mate people should take away what they choose from the podcast and make their own decisions.

Steve_Pirate

Hilarious thread, so many people getting so defensive over the podcast! Of course it's good to know Clarke played well as a forward, that's the role he'll need to play. At the end of the day it's best for the community if we correct mistakes, relax guys.

GloryDays94

Lol 😂

Russty_

That's a bit nasty George, I thought it was a very entertaining and funny podcast, especially the part about not Cumming and doing Hores lol….If you want so called "expert" analysis, go to the official sites and listen to the guys who get paid for it, these guys still know plenty and have fun doing it.
You sound like a couple of unsavoury characters from the past who are still here…albeit rather muted these days.

Nice_Person

Still here mate. Let's keep it positive

Patch

I did think we could have done that Essendon segment a bit better while I was editinig. Ridley was later in the season and not a lot jumped on, but points taken on the other three – I definitely remember reading somewhere Clarke played defence last year but looking as his stats, as you've pointed out, it looks like he was playing forward if anything.

We were rushing through it, and we're not perfect, as much as we try to be

Lekdog

I'm perfect.

Kevin Sheedy

Even the best players shank a few in JLT1.

Nice_Person

Yet another article mentioning Sicily as a swing man this year

Sharkmove_King

It's taken me a while to get to this point, but I don't think I can start with him. Even if he only plays 10% forward for the year, we are paying full price for him as a defender because that's where he played last year. Upgrade target

Hawk131415

I disagree with that Shark, if he plays 90% down back and 10% up forward, thats gold, his better scores are when he runs up forward and kicks 1 or two, i actually see it as a bonus??

PizzaSafety

That’s when he runs all the way from half-back up the wing and kicks goals from the edge of the 50, him playing time as a forward led to his scores stagnating, I.e against Brisbane at the Gabba

Hawk131415

Yeah correct Pizza, i dont think it will be that drastic a move from Clarko, and i hope it isnt, but see what happens in JLT2?

Lekdog

ABORT

Whitey

Is Menagola injured, says returning round 1-2 on the SC site but doesn't say anything about it on the match report.

Derek

He was injured, but played a half a JLT1

Whitey

Thanks

Lazza

Hiya Whitey… was supposed to be injured … performed at plus 100 SC on a ppm basis … by the time R1 comes around he will be there and in my side if I can shuffle $120k…

Whitey

Hi everyone love you thoughts. I have 187k to upgrade somewhere (not the ruck, I understand the risks etc, etc). I could go one of the mid price defenders up to Hurn or someone or one of the rookies to Roberton. Maybe upgrade the rookie midfielders to a Libba, Miles, Cousins? Fwd line rookies are very up in the air as well.

All thoughts welcome. Cheers in advance.

Def:Whitfield, Laird, Williams, Smith, Collins, Quanynor

Mid: McRae, Cripps, Oliver, Neale, Crouch, Butter, Constable, Bewely

Ruc: Grundy, Piece

Fwds: Danger, Heeney, Menegola, Setterfiled, Parker, Drew

Gord29

Bewley to Libba

gator59

What's your thinking with R2….. Got to have big plums to do that… I wish you well

Whitey

Haha, yer the rest of my side looks so much better with a cheap R2 but I will probably have to give in and go to Goldy I suspect. Just living in the clouds for now.

Tony

Know how ya feel whitey I wanted mummy or longer to become a mid price option, just can’t see anyone being worth it. Witts a bit of a Smokey, I could see him beating goldstein, but not Grundy/gawn

Whitey

I could downgrade one of my mids to Dusty to get Witts or do I just need to bite the bullet and find the money for Goldy. Cheers gator.

gator59

One from left field would be Kruezer.. We all know what he's capable of… If you went him just make sure you have a little cash stashed away in case he goes down… He may get you through to find out and see who's firing on all cylinders

Nice_Person

The cox curse is real!!!
Not feeling the Grundy pick at all! Goodbye

Rick Grimes

Gawn? Or neither?

Nice_Person

Gawn gold

Lazza

I’m thinking same..

Tony

Getting sucked in to 1 game, only way he isn’t top 2 is if he is injured

Russty_

Could be a bad call, even if he doesn't score as high as last year, he'll still be top 2….Let's face it last year's Ruckman numbers were insane.
So you'd save 16 grand….then what would you do with that?
You'd still want to end up with both wouldn't you?
Going Grundy to Gawn is really 6 in one and half a dozen in the other.

AuroraBorealis?!

Big call,

I personally think Grundy is one of the only ruckmen who can break the cox curse. He essentially plays as a tall midfielder and plays in a hungry team surrounded by excellent midfielders. Can't see him not being top 2 again this year

Patch

We said that about Kruezer, and about Gawn, and about Goldstein, and even about the Skin Flute back in the day. Dean Cox works in mysterious ways, Borealis…

that said, my god Grundy looks incredible and there's no logical reason not to select him… only this stupid, weird, crazy historical precedent

Russty_

Nah it was hot in Perth yesterday, and windy…and the established players aren't going to go all out to win a practice match, Grundy is the cream on the cake, he wouldn't have cared that much not getting 130 yesterday. Just that he got through it.

Nice_Person

Yeah scrap this guys Grundy is back in

Nice_Person

Goldy

Nice_Person

It's just the interrupted pre season and possible lack of fitness

Maverick_

Will Sandi be #1 at Fremantle?
Lobb looks to have Rucked well and plays like another midfielder very agile.. any love as an F3 option with a fwd/ruck at R3 if he can back up JLT2?

Nice_Person

Thats deep

Lekdog

I'm really torn between a curse and the fact he has 7 VC opportunities early in the season

DEE

Good evening lads, I just set up a league under SC COMMUNITY CUP. League code is 177003, please feel free to join if you are keen for a bit of a friendly challenge! Good luck everyone…

Rivo

Thanks Dee, just joined. 👍🏽

DEE

cheers mate, all the best!

Murray Newman

thanks Dee, I have joined

Hawk131415

Jioned if that's ok Dee?

DEE

yeah mate, no worries!

Hawk131415

Chers bruv

Don’t

I had Devon Smith at F3 but went off him for Mundy but so sure now , I believe he was to play more mid ? Confused

Tony

He did play mid, he just didn’t play very well. Could still see Mundy as a top fwd, watch jlt 2 before ruling him out

Russty_

To be fair, it was a hot…40 degree day and windy, and both sides didn't seem that invested, it's not the normal weather guys play Footy in…a lot of it would've been about self preservation.
I wouldn't read too much into it all.

Gen

Personally i believe Devon Smith will kick more goals and have more tackles with time running thru the mids. Smith easily for me

Patch

I'm tossing up between the two of them as well. Will wait until JLT before leaning one way or the other

Tyruddanaut

Alright, this probably isn't the place to post my team but here goes

Lloyd, Ryan, Williams, Smith, Collins, Clark, (Burgess, Collins)
Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Coniglio, Miles, Walsh, Hately, Constable, (Bewley, Golds, Gibbons)
Grundy, Peirce, (Campbell)
Danger, Menegola, Heeney, Curnow, Setterfield, Drew, (Walker, Parker)

Pros:
<15 Keeper i.e. high potential value for money.
Relevant defenders, and forwards likely to change to a more fantasy relevant position (midfield/HFF)
10 mature age rookies, i.e. 2nd year on, 3 others.

Cons:
3 first round pick rookies (Walsh, Hately, Clark)
>200,000 bench player in rucks
5 mid-pricers (including Ryan)

Such is Fyfe

Hey mate, love your mid + defence and even Pierce at R2 (reckon I’ll be rocking the same)

Howeved, I’d argue you don’t have 14 keepers, would be around 10 with some luck.
I’d be downgrading Miles and upgrading Smith and Ryan who are unlikely to be top 10 and hence, wasted picks to some likely top 10 candidates.
Gotta remember there’s plenty of mid pricers this year but as history shows only 2-3 are likely to actually be good picks.

Good luck for the season

Tyruddanaut

You are probably right about this one. Although history also didn't have as supercoach relevant rule changes. I might as well up/downgrade ryan now if he isn't going to be a keeper, but I didn't see too much in the JLT, maybe I'll stay safe with Laird?

Tony

I’ve counted 11 premos. That’s including ryan and Williams which are questionable. Curnow smith miles and pierce arent keepers. I can understand picking a value R2, but they’re aren’t many good options. Downgrade curnow, Smith or miles, upgrade pierce.

Tyruddanaut

If a 420,000$ player isn't a keeper, why would I have him?
Pierce isn't a keeper no, but I did say <15 which means anywhere from 15-0 and it was more to highlight my rookie situation.
Value R2 is because there aren't many good options at Premo-price. I want to see how it goes.

Maverick_

10 keepers 11 max and that’s being generous. Find a way to upgrade pierce at R2 and it’s a respectable side. Few risks in Ryan who had a very ordinary JLT1 Wilson looks to be kicking in maybe look at Newman? & curnow shows glimpses of class doesn’t he. McGovern may free him up a bit I don’t mind that selection as a POD but he’s probably the one if downgrade to free cash for ya ruck.

Tyruddanaut

Ryan: 83 points off 63% game time.
If he played 80% like in the real season, he would have scored over 100.
Also took some kick-ins and played on from all of them.

I will consider trading him out, though. I don't see as many options due to JLT 1. All the top ones were mid pricers apart from Shaw and Hurn

Russty_

Hi Ty I think Roberton could produce the same output as Ryan, Carlisle will take awhile to get back… noticed you had 2 Collins there…lol.
I loved Miles for awhile but ended up going Libba instead to save some money and we know he can score well.
Could save some more dosh going Menengitis to Smith/ Mundy/ Walters even Billings if you're feeling adventurous… and Curnow to Greene? Curnow is still a bit of a risky pick for me, Greene is too but is a proven scorer when fit and not in flog mode.
Should allow you to get a much better R2….just my 2 cents mate.

Tyruddanaut

I wish I could have 2 Collins!

Carlisle taking a while to get back is what me not choose Roberton; he will not play as a supercoach friendly role. General comments suggest Ryan is out, though.
Miles vs Libba will depend on JLT2, but it might become neither
With Menegola, he only played 50% game time, had he play 80% at the same rate, he would have scored over 120
Greene might not play round one at this rate and Curnows role is looking to change significantly. Remember when everyone thought he was going to break out? He didn't because he became a KPP, McGovern has filled that role, and the second ruck will also play KPP leaving no room for Curnow.

Lazza

Talk about confused… I’ve just dumped Walsh and Martin for Libba and Taranto… not that Walsh has made init to my SC team @H&S,, just in my modelling tool… JLT1 leaves me with half a dozen different teams …

Russty_

Any way you could get all 3 in Lazza?…Taranto could be special this year.

kinglear009

Ditching Walsh after that JLT – jeez, poor man!!

Russty_

After their intraclub scratch match in which he starred and then the JLT match in which he starred, I think this kid might be the Six Million Dollar Rookie.

Lazza

No, rich man … in terms of cost per point per minute Walsh was not in the top 25 rookies in JLT1.
Many getting carried with the hype of Pick 1. He is too expensive unless you think he is a keeper.
At this point I do not see him as a keeper. JLT1 and intra-club = March champion.
Easily out-performed from a cost perspective in JLT1 by other MIDs – Butters, Constable, Hately, Setterfield and Caldwell.
At this point in time it is his job security that has him pressing to be in my squad.

AuroraBorealis?!

Hey community, already posted this but i've only had 3 people join so i thought i'd give it another crack.

If anyone would like to join a league and will be competitive then please jump in at: 637893

Would love to see some regular contributors joining if they aren't already at the 10 league max.

Cheers

gator59

Sorry AB i'm already maxed out

AuroraBorealis?!

All good Gator

Russty_

Hi AB I'll jump in if it's ok, still got one League left to enter… keep posting it until it's full of committed players mate, it's easy for posts to get lost when new podcasts come in etc.

AuroraBorealis?!

Cheers mate, good to have you in there

Russty_

My pleasure AB.

kinglear009

Thanks AB – look forward to some intense battles

JEL

Hi AB, I'm in if you'll have me.

Russty_

Half full now AB….all good committed coaches too, I'm sure it'll end up being a good league.

WTFoxtrot_58

WTF has joined. Finished 3000 to 5000 last two years.

The Ranger

I'm in AB

AuroraBorealis?!

Cheers for joining fellas, we now have a full league! Can't wait to embarrass myself by not reaching full premo again 😉 (lets not talk about last season shall we?)

Chris_Judd

Thoughts on this team:

Def: Laird, Witherden, Williams, Smith, Collins, Clark (Watson, Hore)

Mid: Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Walsh, Butters, Constable (Bewley, Hayes, Gibbons)

Ruc: Grundy, Goldy (Bines)

Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Billings, Setterfield, Drew, Parker (Petruccelle, Cavarra)

89.5K left in the bank

Maverick_

Pretty Solid all over mate. Personally I don’t see the attraction in 5 mids over 600k though With so much value around that 550k. Maybe Look at dusty crouch coniglio Merrett beams Sloane though and bank some cash they all offer great value. Taranto worth another look at in JLT2 but that’s getting risky

kinglear009

I get the appeal of the bargain premium Maverick but Cripps and Oliver currently look to be the safest prospects in Supercoach for enormous output, and Neale's JLT was superb. In fact all the midfielders over 600 right now are giving you that high ceiling certainty you need at M1-M5 (I would even add Coniglio at 580k into that group). Perhaps Fyfe and Kelly are too injury prone to take on both but Fyfe may break the algorithm bearing Freo on his shoulders. Moving beyond them you emerge onto shaky ground: Dusty the part-time forward, Merrett's JLT shocker, Sloane the eminently taggable, and Beams the overcrowded – each of them concern me.

Ty vickery

Completely agree. I think Fyfe and kelly together is maybe a little risky but there’s no doubt they are top 10 mids if they stay on the park. Very solid team!

Chris_Judd

I understand that both Fyfe and Kelly is a bit risky together. Would it be worth bringing in cogs for Kelly? As this would also allow me to upgrade billings to someone more reliable up forward such as D Smith

TommyC99

Thoughts on Jack Crisp? Pies man so maybe a little bias but like the way he goes about it. Loves a kick but DE can be an issue. Has the ceiling as well with 7 scores of 110+ but 6 scores below 80 is an issue

Ty vickery

A bit of a pod selection due to all the value in the backline. I’ve looked at him too, certainly couldn’t blame anyone for picking him

Russty_

If you're picking him as a keeper premo Tommy I reckon you need 13 tons per season minimum. Plenty of value in the backline this year, guys who can exceed their value, and make money and extra points.
There could be a lot of teams this year who never achieve full backline premo…but maybe they won't care.

TommyC99

Hey russty, completely agree mate. He fell under that 13 tons last year so would be asking for him for a mini breakout you could say. Would have to downgrade Oliver to a cheaper mid premium in order to upgrade Crisp to a hurn/Whitfield/simmo. Or just go for a smith/robbo type and use the cash elsewhere

Russty_

Don't think we can afford to not have Oliver mate, like you said, maybe consider downgrading, Williams, Witherden, Smith or Roberton should all score better than shite lol…use that to firm your rucks or get that extra solid option in the fwd line maybe.

Lekdog

Very close to being in my side, bloke I work with was very high up in the high performance team in Collingwood until recently and reckons he's going to another level again. Great bloke too!

Ty vickery

Anyone know what forward rookies are going to play? Thinking might have to rock 4 premos! Besides setterfield and maybe drew (if named) can’t see any good rookies. Parker, petrucelle and burgess should all play, but will they score? Can’t see any others even getting a gig….

Derek

There is a guy from the Sun’s might get a game. Burgess? DPP as well, always handy, $123k. Kicked 2 goals on the weekend.

Ty vickery

Yeah he’s on my bench currently Derek, just not sure he’s a rookie I’d be putting on the field. Atm I have setters and drew on the ground, with 4 premos. Can’t see balta or cavarra playing. Looking a bit bleak

Derek

His DPP is really handy. Allows you to trade in a forward from another line.

Say we need a forward, and we have an injury to elsewhere. Injury player out, trade in a forward. Switcharoo.

Russty_

Wouldn't have to go 4 premos, maybe 3 or 2, with a couple of midpricers, rookies are thin there, we'll know a lot more in a week or so.

Ty vickery

What mid pricers you looking at rus? Couple from Brisbane weren’t too bad but were playing against a vfl team. I’m finding the forwards very tough this year

Russty_

Greene, maybe even Elliott, he's a decent pest / scoring small forward when fit. Greene 354 Elliott 280

Gen

I know Burgess is a KPP in a shit team, but he looks a decent player who should have good job security. Beggars cant be choosers i I guess haha

The Ranger

Might be an ok slow burner at F8 methinks Gen

Russty_

If Brad Crouch kicks butt again in the next JLT and tons up would you start him or spend the 200k + I have in the bank on a bonafide premo instead?
I know he's a risk but what if he's over his injury problems and is ready to become the gun he started out as?

TommyC99

Interesting prospect as he’s obviously well underpriced. He’s a no for me at this stage as his injury history scares me but another good performance and he must warrant consideration

Russty_

Understandable mate…I'm thinking of him as a Sharkmove to coin a phrase, he's a really good player when he's not injured, on the other hand, he's injured a lot…big ole risk.

Maverick_

He’d be oh so tempting russty just not sure I like the look of my engine room with 4 ubers BCrouch libba & Walsh. Too much risk and is unlikely I’ll have the cash to get libba to brad & toms a lock

Derek

There was no Gibbo or Greenie in the JLT.

Brad will score his 95-100 every week, but that’s all, until his injury.

MCrouch is a level above.

JEL

I'm very tempted.
If he holds together for 5-8 weeks he should produce some good points and increase in value.
Then use him as a stepping stone if/when he breaks.

Russty_

Yeah stepping stone would be the goal if that's who you're talking about JEL…bloody risky though.

JEL

Hmm, thought I hit reply to your post… but yes B Crouch is the man in question.
Chance of high reward – check
Chance of exploding in your face – check
Chance of Sharkiest move since Jaws – check
If it was the only dodgy play in my team I'd be tempted, but I wouldn't want any others.

Derek

Might as well start with BCrouch and Rocky. Like the good old days. Stuffed my year up a couple ago

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Nice_Person

Guys avoiding poor rookie scores is not possible, unless you rock a team of midpricers.
But we have to remember they are in there only to make some cash, and we have to cop to odd 40 that they will throw our way. Don't get to invested in the young expensive rookies that are just as likely to put up that 40 and hurt us in their cash production.
I really like the look of Walsh however, I also really liked the look of brayshawast year too and it didn't work out so well

Whitey

A lot a sense spoken there. JLT does it every year (to me as well), we have our team and plans we are going to stick to then one good or bad score and we throw out out teams in the hope of finding the next big thing.

magic mullet

I'm betting cousins will have the same output as Walsh

Rick Grimes

Agree. I See a lot of teams packed with mudpricers. Where is the cash generation going to come from? I see people getting stuck with them.

Derek

An undervalued midpricer will make a bit of cash, but it will save you the loss in value an Uber premium will make.

One bad game from Macrae could see him drop $100k.

Eg: 2x $360k mids vs Uber $600k and Rookie $123k

Let’s say in 5 weeks 2x mids are $400k each. The rookie is $300k and Uber is $500k

Same cash. Could happen.

Liam

But you don’t trade the premium you just gain their points so this comparison is kinda pointless.

Derek

Walsh could be different, like TSmith last year, stayed in team much longer than the regular culling period because his output was almost premium.

If he turns out to be as good as they say, we could look to hold him past his price rise.

There are usually rookies all fattening up at same time, so can’t cull them all at once and fit in the injury trades and upgrades.

You would hate to miss him

Hawk131415

Spot on Nice, you really want players that are decent-good, but more importantly have goog JS,

Patch

Rock solid points there mate. Have been meaning to dig up the old 'Expensive Rookies' article to throw around as well, you're absolutely right on the cheaper rookies being hit less hard by poor scores

Lazza

I posted some of this in a response to another post …from a cost per point per minute Walsh was not in the top 25 rookies in JLT1.
Easily out-performed from a cost perspective in JLT1 by other MIDs – Butters, Constable, Hately, Setterfield and Caldwell.
At this point in time it is only his job security that has him pressing to be in my squad.

magic mullet

anyone have there opinion on dom sheed, if he tears up the next JLT match he could be a great option and at 394k he could be a steal

Hawk131415

Risky Magic, obviosly jlt1 had everyone sit up and take notice, playing Freo next jlt so could carve them up as they have no one, which still make it a tough call, no from me mate,,

Redd

Like they said in the podcast if he was a mid/fwd hed almost be a lock! But mid only i think there are better options.

TelescopicCox

Hi all. Would love some feedback on my post JLT1 team:

B – Lloyd, Crisp*, Williams, Collins, Duursma, Clark (Hore, Wilkie)
M – Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Coniglio*, Dusty*, Walsh, Butters, Constable (Bewley, McKenzie, Gibbons)
R – Gawn, Grundy (Fort)
F – Danger, Heeney, Darling*, Setterfield, Parker, Balta (Petrucelle, Cavarra)

* players not 100% locked in

Rick Grimes

Looks solid. Just need the rookies to line up. I See a lot going only 2x rookies each line but I'm sure the Gods will provide.

Lobbe Wan Kenobi

Hi Guys, first time poster long time viewer. Would Love some feedback on my squad;

B – Laird, Williams, Newman, Smith, Clarke, Hore, (Duursma, Watson)
M – Macrae, Cripps, Neale, Coniglio, Sloane, Libba, Walsh, Butters, (Constable, Bewley, Gibbons)
R – Grundy, Goldy, (Bines)
F – Danger, Menegola, Heeney, Setterfield, Drew, Balta, (Parker, Wilkinson)

$12,200 Left over

My concern revolves around the M6/F4 position. Are we better off running another high/low price rookie such as Cousins/Hately at M6 and have a mid pricer such as Elliot/McCarthy at F4 due to the small amount of possible rookie FWDS on offer? Or should I keep the structure above with Libba and a 102k rookie?

The Ranger

The possible lack of fwd rookies is slightly worrying eh Lobbe Wan?
JLT2 make may make things clearer but I think it would be wise to have a plan in place for both of those options and wait for the teams to drop for Rd1

Lobbe Wan Kenobi

I think it could be one of the first trades people make after round 2. I think I will be sticking with above and seeing how it all plays out and have plan either way. JLT2 hopefully will provide a clearer understanding.

Derek

Why did you decide on Laird out of the other Uber defenders?

Of all of them He has less upside

Lobbe Wan Kenobi

I think he is just solid, and I think the extra space around will help him. The extra cash saved from Lloyd has helped out with picking up some more expensive rookies with more job security. The other I have had here is Sicily but concerned on how he will line up. Had Whitfield D2 and really like him but wanted to deeper to D4 with a midpricer.

Derek

You could easy swap Sloane for Devon and not lose much

Lobbe Wan Kenobi

I think he is a good value POD and will benefit from the 6-6-6 set up. Also got a decent run of games first up.

Patch

Really strong side mate, I rate it. Feel you might be one score short in the forward line but until we get another look at some of the kids we won't know if a rookie will stand up or you need a shuffle, For where we are now, I really rate that side.

I do need another look at Newman before I can be confident starting him

Lobbe Wan Kenobi

100% agree the more I look at it. Maybe the case of Menegola down to Billings and a rookie up to a McCarthy/Elliot…. The thought gives me shivers. Need to stop looking at it.

Hawk131415

Whats with all the foul language Lekdog??? give yourself a lecture 🙂

Rick Grimes

Didn't bother me.

Hawk131415

Was just jokes mate, i swear like a champion, hence then 🙂

Patch

I've sent some soap to him to cleanse his mouth. Higgo would be seething.

Hawk131415

Hahahahahahahaha love it Patch

Lekdog

Got overly excited throughout the hour, plus Patch has locked in Billings!

Hawk131415

Hahahahahahaha, you know the saying about excuses Lek???

Sixtybloody6

Might put up a league code. Comment if interested, if not I'll be #1 in JR group anyway. That's entertaining enough!

Hawk131415

Ill jump in if you get enough people Sixty?

magic mullet

yeah hit us up

Hawk131415

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AuroraBorealis?!

Swapping Matt Crouch to his brother allows me to upgrade Roberton to Witherden or Mills. Definitely going to be watching closely at JLT 2, if he even has the slightest hint of injury i'm dropping him and bringing back matt

Lazza

Is Roberton to Mills an upgrade ? Or a you talking about price? Roberton is priced at 54 points, Mills at 78.
Do you think Mills will average 24 points more than Roberton?
Roberton likely to average close to 90 … so Mills would need to be around 114 …. If yes, then spend the money … (I'm guessing you already have ZWilliams)

Goaled Finger

Given the lack of forward rookie options, would I be crazy to start 4-0-4 up front and 4-0-7 in the midfield?

The theory being the midfield rookies should make more money in less time, and there’s always elite kids dropping cash in early rounds.

While forward premos are also hard to pick, I still think 4 of Danger, Heeney, Smith, Mundy, Menegola, Hawkins are hardly going to be far from best 8 for the season.

Patch

That's a massive call, and not one to make lightly – the midfield is the engine room where you get all your points. As much as you'll make cash, you won't catch up with those missed points. I'm leaning towards no. 5-0-6 is certainly an option though

Goaled Finger

I’d suggest a typical M5 premo selection would be expected to average around 110. A typical rookie mid around 70? So a net loss of 40 a week.

An F4 premo, about a 90 average, and a forward rookie about 50? So a net gain of 40.

This is assuming you don’t get lucky and snare a player who out performs expectations by 15-20 points a week, or get unlucky with a Billings-like ‘premo’ selection.

But even accounting for that, is the points difference really big enough to offset the likely faster path to full premo?

Goaled Finger

I’m really just playing Devil’s advocate. Tough issues often need you to think outside the box…or to keep it simple…or both.

Derek

and please use the correct pronunciation, it is "Devils' Avocado"

Ty vickery

I think you’re being generous. I can this set up scoring more points. Butters/hately/cousins will easily outscore a burgess or petruccele. The difference between Matt crouch and menegola will be about 10-15. I could definitely be wrong but the difference in points will be very small either way

Derek

there is more choice in the guts

Patch

Ty's nailed it here – the mid rookies tend to make more cash and score more than the forward ones. I do love your thinking though Finger, it looks like we might need something really out of the box this season

Liam

You would have the 4th best mid rookie if you went with 4-0-7 instead of 5-0-6 with both structures having the top 3 rookies on field.

Very slim chance the 4th best mid rookie averages 70. The third best was Banfield last year who averaged around 58.

Something to consider before choosing your structure.

Ty vickery

My team has the exact same set up currently, I’m not as confident on Hawkins, but 4 of the other 5 are in my team, tossing up between Mundy and menegola for the last spot. Think there is much better rookies in mids than the forwards. Can’t really see much of a difference in points despite what others may think.

Lazza

and 4 of those 6 have the same bye.

Ty vickery

Not an issue if the side is structured well elsewhere

Sharkmove_King

I've got a 4-1-6 at the moment. I agree, outside the midfield it's s struggle to find decent rookies. I'm not seeing LDU in any teams. Is there still a stench around him?

Murray

Could you please rate my team:
Def Laird Whitfield Williams B Smith S Collins Hore (brugess Watson)
Mid Cripps Oliver Fyfe Martin M Crouch Libba Constable Valente (Bewley Hinds Gibbons+
Rucks Grundy Goldstein
Fwd Dangerfield Heeney Duckley Setterfield Parker Drew (Cottrell Cavarra)

What do you think, Honest appraisal needed??

Murray

that should be burgess

Mick

Strong team, however I’d keep an eye on dunkley’s role this week.

Patch

Agreed, Dunkely my only huge concern out of that side, nice stuff Murray!

Murray

Hi patch ready to move Kelly from Geel into F3 if Dunkley doesn't fire in jlt2.

Derek

i worry about Fyfe's elbow

Lazza

Solid team Muzza, changes I’d make really depend on how much cash you have over.. and of course which of your rookies make it to R1…and the subsequent price impact of swapping them around..
be prepared to replace Hore, Burgess, Cavarra, Valente..
I’m assuming you have Smith as a stepping stone, and not a keeper.. otherwise I’d look to swap him out .. for who depends on your cash.

Murray

Hi Lazza yes smith is a stepping stone, probably to Lloyd. I only have 5 k left

Nice_Person

Am I the only one that liked the look of Daniel on the weekend?
He took a lot of kick ins and the dogs seemed to be looking for him out of defence. He was often front and centre at the packs and would dispose of the ball cleanly.
Had a nice end to the season too, if this was due to a role change I'm interested

Ty vickery

He did look good. Change of role? Maybe. Could’ve just been a good game, he’s certainly capable here or there. Bevo loves to throw the magnets around, very versatile side. I wouldn’t consider it unless he goes big again this week, if he does then who knows? Could be value

Patch

A lot of people in the comments of the Suns v Doggies game did as well. Was loose off half back and had a LOT of the ball. Well underpriced at 420k for what he'll produce there and I'm interested. Will have another look at him – it looks like Matt Suckling has gone forward

Nofork & Chance

Leck, would you guys be open to posting your SC team names so us in the community can set up a rivalry against the great ones? Would love to also see Jock / Crouching and Higgo for some competition if they're still going (alive?)

Patch

I'm under Patch's Potatoes, but I reckon it'll be a whack to my self-confidence if people start rivalling me

Nice_Person

You did well last year patchington