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PODCAST | Gavel Sound

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Lekdog is back, Patch still sounds like he’s talking through a wet paper bag and Damo is spitting sense – it’s all things normal on the Jock Reynolds podcast front.

We talk changes to the competition’s rules and how they’ll impact players (hint: we think they won’t) and also dissect some of the notable performances from intra-club and inter-club matches before we finish with Lek’s Comment Courthouse.

With the JLT starting on Thursday, who are you looking at to cement their place in your side? Who are you excited by? Let us know!

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Nice person(Sc_Wow)

Taylor Adams
His finish to last year shows he can go 110+ and talks of his amazing pre season keep popping up. If he looks solid through jtl he's a lock

Rick Grimes

No Beams last year. Not sure what that will do or not do to his scoring.

Woweeeeeee

You’ve posted this a few times now mate, clearly you want other people to pick him so you’re not the only one. He’s a pod, but shouldn’t be a lock for anyone

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

I was answering the question that was written in the write up.
who are you excited by?

Bendigo

Adams had the six most clearances 2018 with 146 if the new 6 6 6 rule helps players with greater clearance numbers he might be in for a good year.

fatboyfat7

His finish to last year was as a result of his move from half back into the midfield. If Beams arriving pushes back to defense then it's hard to entertain him. Depending on that potential role switch, he could be a solid pick.

Nice_Person

All reports out of Collingwood is that he's a lock for their mid and is tearing up the track

Lazza

I want to pick Adams but I can’t force my finger to push the trade button … he would be my M5… currently Merrett.. but Steele, Redden and Heeney in the way… Heeney based on rolling rookie mids in and FWD rookies out… I think there will be more rookie mid options to trade through the first half than FWDs..

Realist

Just heard on sen he’s out for 8-10 weeks, unlucky

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

If Essendon beat Carlton lek buys patch a microphone that was made in the last decade

Patch

This is an idea. A very good one

Sixtybloody6

I'll be looking at Mills role, after talks of midfield time and swapping with Parker. Keep an eye on libba, Walsh and Roberton.

Derek

my son was in the swans academy for 5 years, a couple of years younger than Mills. i saw plenty of him at training and games and he was 100% midfielder, never played anywhere else. he would get the ball when ever he wanted it. Mills is a lot bigger and stronger than you think and you could tell he had a good rugby background. obviously junior footy in Sydney is a lot different to AFL. as a result i have been very bias and have had him in my supercoach team every year. we were surprised when he started playing in defense, but knew that one day the midfield will be where he would play his best football.

my son isn't that close with him anymore (he is at uni now becoming a journalist) but he still talks to other players around the swans squad. this year Mills has been training as a mid/forward, rotating with Parker in that role. Heeney has been 100% midfield. he is part of the swans leadership group as well.

With McVeigh likely to start the season, which is unusual for him, we might get to see Mills in the guts where he belongs. Hopefully McVeigh stays fit.

I said i wasn't going to start with him this season, but i'm putting up a fairly decent argument to start him. If he plays in the guts during JLT he must be considered. but i am bias.

Sixtybloody6

I only picked mills on his rookie year obviously but never looked to him since until now…..not bias, needs to be watched.

Tyruddanaut

Brilliant bit of information, Derek. I reckon Mills will have an increase in mid minutes but the question is how significant? That is the risk, and if it is less than 50%, there are better options in defense.

Patch

This is intriguing – I've toyed with him but with so much value elsewhere it feels like too big a risk considering his history playing all over the joint and Horse's tendency to stuff us around. Will be watching like a Hawk during the JLT

Russty_

Wow!..I think your name's a bit of an oxymoron there. Not very nice.

Connor

Actually Derek has mentioned his son many times before (particularly when the kid was beating him in SC)

Troll Slayer

You. A real coach, Ha. Why don't you post your team so we can all have a good laugh. Having a bad day today? Nasty little troll.

Maverick_

Derek has mentioned his son knowing mills several times over the past couple seasons wow.. hopefully u got out the right side of the bed this morning

skindog

Hey 66, i thought i read somewhere that Horse said hes too good to take out of the backline so wont see that much mid time, but said that Papley will see a lot of mid time? i could be wrong but im 90% posotive,,,

Derek

Gawn down to a Goldy, Lloyd to Whitfield, Smith to Roberton & Libba to Walsh.

Gives me enough cash to go Rookie to Devon Smith.

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

All looks OK besides gawn to gold imo

Derek

i wouldn't mind starting with a mid-price R2 and getting a bit of a price increase at the same time Gawn's price to come down. I did that with Lycett last year, it worked out ok, but it meant hiding behind the couch everytime Lycett played.

Would you consider Lobb at all?

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

Nope gawn and Grundy for me. Think the gap to third will be huge

Tyruddanaut

I wouldn’t go Whitfield or Devon Smith.
Nothing against Whitfield, but Lloyd had the most non-played in kick ins out of any player last year and has proven his supercoach relevance. Whitfield relies on increased midfield minutes, and with Taranto or Hopper getting ‘significantly more’, and Shiel playing a lot of outside time, he wouldn’t be ideal.

Smith is just because he’s injured. I would task a risk with the dogs (McLean, Dunkley). It reminds me of 2017 (Macrae and Dahl), or go Heeney, Walters or Worpel

Gen

Tim Kelly a definite option too

Jester

Kelly currently my F3. Surprised more aren’t talking about him. Will play primarily mid, especially with baby jeebers and dollhouse up front. Can see him avg 95+

The Ranger

If you're starting Danger and Heeney it's hard to squeeze in Kelly or Menegola as they'll all have the same bye.

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Shaun

Hey mate im keen the gunners

Realist

Surely 3rd and 4th would deserve $50 each over the winner of bottom 8. Rewarding mediocrity. May as well just give everyone their money back

Such is Fyfe

Winner of the Bottom 8 just ensures that all teams in the bottom 8 can always win their money back throughout the season and ensures no team "ghost-ships" which would result into an automatic win for the other team end of the season.
Money is an incentive but think everyone also likes a competitive league.

Russty_

I think it's a good incentive Such is Fyfe, like you said, ensuring everyone sticks with it.

Realist

Never thought of it that way mate, actually not a bad idea at all, ensures everyone keeps interest. Might actually use this idea in some of my cash leagues haha

Russty_

Why reward the "mediocrity" as you put it….of 3rd and 4th place then?, a lot of people aren't just obsessed with final results, they want to enjoy the journey over the 6 months, and the clashes in their Leagues full of friends.

Realist

Not my league mate was just suggesting finishing 3rd/4th is better than 9th. I can understand his reasoning now though

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Lazza

Enjoyed the podcast lads … welcome back … and thanks for the Heads-up Lek. A bit like my job when I go on leave … no one does my job for me whilst I'm away.
I tend to disagree with the notion that the kick-in rule wont have a material impact on the kick-innerers…. when certain players take a majority of the kick-ins there is no reason that teams wont take advantage of the rule. Those with a high gap between their play-on and kicks from the square will benefit most. Ryan for example – averages 4.5 kick ins per game, with a total of 107 kick-ins last year with 1 play-on .. others Hurn 6.8/129/53, Witherden 6.2/126/52, Lloyd 4.5/151/44, Wilson 4.3/105/17. Only one extra play-on per game ups the average by 4 points .. I think we can expect at least that from each of the above players.

Derek

it will be interesting to see what they do in the JLT. I can see it becoming an issue with some players putting their foot a cm over the line will get the points and other players who out of habit stay behind the line won't get the points. Champion data will have the final say.

what have the girls AFL been doing. Do they mainly kick from outside the square?

Sharkmove_King

I don't watch it but apparently AFLW more often than not have played on quickly and kicked it as far as possible.

I have a feeling in the men's game that will be the tactic if they can do it quickly. AFL coaches are very smart though and my guess is the opposition will set up a deep zone when they can. This will mean the short option might be the best for the team kicking out.

Only my opinion but I reckon alot of these new rules to ease congestion could have an opposite effect. AFL coaches are just too smart, they will always play the game the way they want to. Best just leave it alone imo

MrsWilson

Maybe the rule change will see Nathan Wilson get the kick in/ run halfway up the ground before delivering a 70metre torp to the forward line and Ryan will get nuthin. Wilso is the best running kick in the game and Ross is sure to exploit that before giving Ryan a go.

Patch

I hadn't considered Witherden taking kick-outs… just as I thought I'd settled on a backline, too.

Whitey

Anyone got any stats when it comes to how most of the behinds come about? I'm assuming most from general play which may mean anyone could take the kick in but when its from a set shot there would be a desy kicker for sure.

Prizza

Horse on the record saying Mills will play more midfield time this year seems natural as Okeefe gone to saints and Kennedy slowing down a little, parker and him to wax I believe.

DanHan

hahaha O'Keefe or O'Hanners? #ROK

Prizza

Always did mix them up

Sharkmove_King

Hello Gentlemen.

I'm starting to really warm to Roberton. Can anyone tell me if Webster played that latest St.Kilda intra club match?

Maverick_

Webster Didn’t play

Russty_

No he was rested due to soreness, apparently Robbo and Savage played well with 6 and 4 intercept marks.

Sharkmove_King

Ok thanks Mav/Russty. I heard Roberton and Savage both played well. Do you think Robertons's role will change much with Webster in the side?

Russty_

Not sure Sharkmove, if Webster plays on the wing, I reckon Roberton could share kickins with Savage, Carlisle still has to come in yet also and Battle was tried out in defence in the intraclub match and played well, so it's anyone's guess really, have to see how the JLT unfolds.

don’t

Jack Steven to take an indefinite break due to Mental Health issues

Russty_

Jeez that's terrible news for the Saints, hope he gets well soon and comes back strong.

KeenButClueless

Hope he can get better and back on the park

Who does his absence create opportunities for? Saw recently that they like Gresham as a dangerous forward and that they would mix mid time and forward time for him. Not sure Steven’s absence changes anything there.

Billings was possibly looking at wing half forward, so again not sure anything changes.

Could be Armitage. Bit more of a like for like and they didnt run Armitage too often with Steven last year. I thought Armitage might have been on the outer at StKilda last year, and was a little surprised he stayed on the list. Perhaps he is most likely, but it’s hard to pick him. Even with his DPP.

Maybe Hind? Hope so as we need mid rookies. Hopefully JLT will help. There are a few StKilda supporters on the site (the intra club summary was extraordinarily good by the way. Convinced me on Robertson). Maybe some insights?

BadgerHoney7

Hey KeenButClueless, I believe Saints have probably three pure midfielders (Ross, Steele, Hanners?? – wait and see) who really aren't able to play anywhere else but the guts and everyone else swaps (Steven obviously still plays bulk mid minutes but can play fwd) who are Sinclair, Steven (not rd 1), Gresham, Billings, Dunstan, plus then Clark and Coff who can rotate through at times.) with this leaving Steven and potentially Hanners not playing Round 1 leaves midfield minutes up for grabs which could go to anyone but I think we will see a rise in minutes for Gresh and Billings the most and then probably more wing time for Parker but watch JLT too see how this folds out.

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

Billings will get more of an opportunity

Moustachio

… to f*** us over. Again.

skindog

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sharkmove_King

My thoughts exactly Wow. New recruit Parker looks like he could play the role Billings played last year (when he was scoring awful). Certainly looks like Billings will play a more SC friendly role this year. We can't go there again, can we?

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

I only jumped on him after his bye last year, he did quite well for me so I might go there lol

Tyruddanaut

Like your thoughts. I’m on and off with him, but overall I think he will only average 90 and that’s too low for me as a keeper

Patch

Poor bastard, hope he gets himself right.

Wow what a joke

You really are a disgusting person. Can’t wait for karma to bite you in the ass!

Loop

I dont think its Wow – see the comment above re having Billings, I'm pretty sure that Wow didnt have Billings.

Lekdog

Different person, banned.

Shake_n_bake

I have gone purely guns and rookies 13 guns l hope, with the only exception Roberton. But with the rookies just want to see if im the only one who has Rozee, Walsh & Rankine in their side??

skindog

Shake,i have all of them atm, dont normally go high priced rooks but these three look the goods,,

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

Tbh they always look the goods. So much hype with brayshaw and ldu and they both were not worth it

skindog

Agreed nice, the exact reason i dont select them as a rule, ive just had a fiddle with my side, and ive only kept Rozze, too much out lay, so Quaynor comes back in and some others to save cash and strengthen other lines, team looks better for it, accept my fwd line, it sucks, Really want TMac as i rate him highly, but has a niggle so i'll watch closely,,,

skindog

And like you were getting at Wow, its only intraclub and pracy matches so no real guage atm,,

Nice person(Sc_Wow)

Fwds are tough this year, atm I'm backing bilbo

KeenButClueless

agree on the hype and the let down. I suspect it might be the case for Rozee and Rankine. But my gut tells me there is something more to Walsh. Maybe it’s just different hype, I don’t know. But we could be looking at a different beast here. I feel like taking the risk and downgrade in Round 3 if I have to. So long as I don’t compromise my premo’s in doing so

Russty_

Hi Keen, I think the only thing that will stop Walsh this year is a an injury…..he is a different beast.
I'm trusting him not only to make me money, but deliver serviceable scores along the way to the eventual upgrade if necessary.

Patch

You're probably not, but I very much doubt it will pay off. Not a bad way to have it set now though so you can downgrade them if other rookies pop up.

Have you gone rookie heavy in one line or spread them equally?

Shake_n_bake

For now Rozee def Walsh mid Rankine fwd. Rozee Rankine have fwd def swing

JohnDJ59

Rankine is a fwd only.

PJ8

Burgess is the one with DEF/FWD swing

Shake_n_bake

Sorry Burgess is the one with def fwd

JohnDJ59

I only have Walsh now, couldn't afford the other two, but if they look the goods I might consider one of them.

BadgerHoney7

Someone released two of Robertons stats on the weekend that was he has 19 kicks and 6 intercept marks which roughly accumulates to 118 SuperCoach points. This is obviously not including then handballs, uncontested marks and tackles etc. Not bad

skindog

For his price Badger, worth the risk for sure, D4 for me,

BadgerHoney7

same, lock at d4

Patch

Hot dang.

Sharkmove_King

Great numbers but it was playing against half a St.Kilda team (assuming half the 22 are in each team) not including the players that didn't play

Still, assuming he gets this role in the real stuff, he will make plenty of coin

BadgerHoney7

By stats in the prospectus, a stat was released the other day that Jake Lloyd would have averaged 127 last year if the kick in rule was introduced (15 point rise). Other interesting stats are Sicily 113 ave (7 boost), Whitfield 104 ave (5 boost).

Sixtybloody6

Not going bear Sicily this year. Swing man they've called it from the hawks.

Yeahnah

Where've you heard that mate?

Don’t

Derek , what’s your take on Sicily ? I see before you don’t have him in your team ?

PJ8

Sicily def said it in an interview. Said Clarko has mentioned swapping him and Gunston at times, even mid game.

Maverick_

Heard this also sixty..
It was on the hawthorn website & afl app.
Sicily himself said he and Gunston will swap forward and back throughout the season.. how often that is I’m not sure but a risk I’m not willing to take on a player at 570k

Prizza

Couldn't Sicily be utilized to keep him in the play more, isn't that where they are coming from? Such a dangerous player maybe they see more match-winning potential in swinging him around, his loose canon head is more the worry I think.

Lazza

What if the rookies we are banking on for R1 don’t appear … at this point, pre JLT, it appears there are only 2 guaranteed to start – Walsh and Collins … Most published teams have at lest 8 on-field rookies plus 8 on the bench… What will you do if we can’t have a Guns and Rookie structure that has all team members playing R1?
Do you bite the billet and retain your structure and take the chance your selections will front up in early rounds, or do you have a radical mid-price strategy in the back pocket? There could be a major scoring gap after only a few rounds if the rookies don’t appear in R1.

Rick Grimes

I thinks there's a few more with very good prospects. The rookies always turn up.

Patch

Agreed, although contingency plans never hurt for if we're stuffed in one line or another.

Russty_

You're a charmer…no doubt lol

JohnDJ59

I've structured my team around the rookies not turning up, so going with three mid priced players in defence and maybe one in the mids.

Russty_

Hi John, nothing wrong with a bit of midpriced madness in defence this year mate..plenty of viable options there.

Russty_

Hi Lazza, I reckon Parker and Hind from the Saints are pretty good round 1 chances, due to Carlisle still struggling with his back and Jacky Steven out for who knows how long, could push Gresham and or Billings into the mids and give Parker a good crack at it early on.

JohnDJ59

Hey Russty, what do you think of Billings this year, I said never again after he burnt me last year, even though I managed to get out early, but he might be a good F4 option this time, if he plays in the middle.

Russty_

Hi John, couldn't tell you how Billings is travelling, I did the same last season, dumped him early.
With Steven now out indefinitely, he could get more mid minutes, but it could also be Gresham, Gresham can find the goals too though, and is a better kick than Billings I believe.
I'll give you the ole cliche mate, watch the JLT and see how the roles play out, I don't think I'll ever touch Billings again, with a double-length bargepole regardless….lol

Lazza

Hey John, I was listening to the Saints CEO this morning .. he said Billings is probably the most impressive in pre-season training … worth watching..

Patch

In my side.

Nice_Person

Me too patch. Hard to find value in the fwds this year. Ppl forked out 500k for him last year

Lazza

Hey Russty, both in my set up at the moment plus Wilkie.. 3 from the Saints? Probably not .. those back-up plans are going to be important

Russty_

Yeah I hear ya Lazza, Wilkie could be the one on the outer, with Roberton coming back and possibly Battle in defence as well…and someone goes out of the backline when Carlisle gets back also.

Realist

Wouldn’t be too worried about Carlisle, if Wilkie plays he’ll be cashed up by the time Carlisle comes back.

Loop

Petruccelle is one to watch. I think that he'll play but I'm not sure how well he'll score.

Lazza

Currently on my fwd bench.

Bendigo

Just looking into clearance numbers for 2018 J Lyons for the Suns 138 from 19 games ( 7.26 per game ) this gives him the third best average of any player for the year. Cripps average 7.72 Oliver 6.56.
If the new 666 rule favours clearance specialist Lyons may be a nice POD.

Sharkmove_King

Thanks for the stats Bendigo but if the AFL get the way and turn the game more free flowing, less congestion, it will be the clearance specialists who take a hit won't it? Due to less stoppages.

David Needham

Just looking into clearance numbers for 2018 J Lyons for the Suns 138 from 19 games ( 7.26 per game ) this gives him the third best average of any player for the year. Cripps average 7.72 Oliver 6.56.

Bendigo

Now at Brisbane may be one to watch in JLT.

Paul chapman

14 keepers + roberton, most teams I’ve seen only have 13, some 12. No laird, Lloyd, Gawn or macrae though. Is this smart or too risky, thoughts community?

Paul Chapman

Williams is the only one I’m not certain of, but have seen others count him as a premo so thought I would do the same. If I wanted to post my whole team mate I would have. Was just asking if people thought not starting those 4 was too risky…

Russty_

Don't mind him Paul he's on some kind of trolling mission tonight…I have 12 keepers with all of the above mentioned, several midpricers and 3 rookies over 150k…it's all risky at this point in the season, go with your gut I say 🙂

Paul Chapman

Yeah I’ve seen some of his nonsense tonight. Cheers mate, yeah I had to get rid of a few of the more expensive rookies to get this structure. I think most people are getting sucked into the hype on Walsh/quanor/rankine etc. happens every year. Brayshaw and LDU were the same last year.

Russty_

Yeah true Paul, expensive Rooks can be a huge trap, but I feel Walsh could be different, Rankine could be great but how often will it be in the Sun's forward line this year?…maybe not enough.
I reckon the Pies will run with Quaynor early cause he could be a huge money earner for them…popularity-wise…the second coming of Harry O'Brien and all that jazz…just my opinion mate, make of it what you will.

Paul chapman

Yeah all this is very true, I just have doubts on the scoring potential of those higher priced rookies, history shows they often struggle. JLT should be a good indicator though

Russty_

Another good indicator of their potential is their body shape and size, Walsh is compact but muscular and strong and Quaynor is strong and AFL ready…I'm looking forward to them both running around.

Paul chapman

People said the same with LDU last year. Being bigger will obviously help get them games, no doubt, I just don’t think that necessarily translates to bigger scores than a mature age recruit (there’s a few of them around). Quaynor I think may struggle to cement himself in a very strong Collingwood 22. Walsh could definitely be the exception though, I just want to see him tear up JLT before I commit 200k on a bloke I’ve never seen play haha

Russty_

Hey guys, Anyone who'd like to join one or both of my AFL Fantasy Draft Leagues feel free to jump in.
I've set em both on auto trade with no restrictions on trading during the year, also in that game you can trade during the round.
It's all a bit of fun without having to think about it all too much.
After the initial draft, just check your teams for non playing players and adjust accordingly.
You can trade from the pool of players available or inter-team trade if you propose a swap with another player..and it's all instant, no waiting.
Invite Codes are …..
SWMPZ7FH
and
MKA29M4W
Go to the afl.com.au and click on fantasy …enter the draft game and then join league
Autotrade League and Elite Feet
They're public leagues so anyone can jump in…be quick though cause you never know how quick they'll fill up.
For those who join, let me know if you'd rather the bye rounds on or off…cheers.

Dave

Hey Rusty, I've jumped in both.

Let me know if there are any SC draft leagues, super keen to jump in 1 or 2!

Cheers

Russty_

Cheers Dave thanks for jumping in mate…hopefully more will too, cause it's quite fun, even if you don't play AFL fantasy Classic.
I'm in one SC mate but it's not my league, code is 766812..hopefully it's ok with Finn for you to jump in, if not sorry bud. I have no idea about live draft games, 1st time for me, there's quite a few others too who are the same. See how you go anyway…cheers Dave.

neil demons delight

Need some learned draft expert to do a bit here on it Russty. How do we pick etc lots i dont know

Sam_01

How is everyone’s forward line travelling? I’ve gone heeny and danger then 4 rookies (rank/rozee/setters/cavara) I just feel like there is much better value in the mids and backline to put any serious cash up forward

PJ8

Same as me Sam. Except I have Blakley as one of the four rookies

DavidC

The best rooks look likely to be in the mids. That's where the cash gen will be. I'll be going light in the mids. Forward rooks are usually the worst scorers.

Sam_01

that’s a good point David, I’ve been tossing up Walters to go in the fwd but what’s the point when I can just get an undervalued mid, Walters is priced to average 90-95 where as I could get merret or dusty for less than 100k extra who will be banging out 110 average, just feel the coin is better spent on undervalued mids and backman

Derek

I’ve gone the opposite.

Danger, Smith, Heaney, Mundy, Setterfield Parker

Locking in to F4

KeenButClueless

Hi Derek. Like the structure, but I am starting to waver on Smith being a set and forget option. Apart from the bicep issue, I read on AFL website that he has ongoing issues with his knees. He is possibly priced at his peak. He has Shiel and possibly McGrath taking midfield minutes from him. He may still end up top 8 forward, and a safe choice. But maybe not a value choice

Derek

Thanks mate, tend to agree.

He is the one I have just brought in. Happy with Mundy ahead of Smith

I had to go Gawn to Goldy to get Smith, not liking that.

Hopefully a rookie turns up

KeenButClueless

Hi Derek. If you go Goldy up to Gawn, what to take Smith down to? I am not enamoured by the potential breakout options. None are really screaming at me. So, how about a stepping stone? Neil has mentioned Zac Bailey a few times. 275k. You would need him to get to 425k to be effective as a stepping stone. Is he an 80 average? He will improve, but 80+ might be a stretch. The other one I would suggest is Taylor Walker. Around 335k. So he needs to get to 485k. Have a look at his draw for rounds 4 to 7. If you think he can have a burst during those rounds, he might be this year’s Bruyn Manoeuvre.

Holty01

Like it Derek. I’ve gone strong in the forward line myself as feel the rookies are stronger in the backs and mids.

neil demons delight

Maybe we are forgetting one of the better forward options,Westhoff Surely will be better off with new rule plus will probably play more upfield with Lycett there

Realist

Westhoff no longer playing ruck, does he play wing or forward? Was a reliable scorer last year, but at 32 years of age is he going to continue on an upward trend, it’s doubtful. More likely to return to an 85-90 average and I can’t see that being good enough, better options at his price

Derek

i had an idea of starting a with a risky R2. if that the case i would definately look at westhoff to offer ruck back up.

Realist

Agree with you there derek, even as a value R2 he’s worth consideration. To pick him you’d have to be confident on his average. I just think there are too many question marks at this stage

neil demons delight

Westhoff was second to Danger on total forward points and 5th best on average Forte is the key to picking him though. In my team

Realist

Yes NDD but this was playing as a second ruck, won’t get that opportunity this season unless there’s injury. Average of 87 in 2017 and 85 in 2016 I think is a fairer indicator of how he will score. More of an upgrade target than a starter

neil demons delight

His ruck work was hardly relevant 8 hit out average and only one big ruck day against a depleted cats.Scored over 10 tap outs only 6 times He will still get 4 per game.Similar to Tom McDonalds ruck work last year. averaged 3 per game. Agree though an upgrade target F6 unless you are utilising his DPP which I am

Sharkmove_King

My structure is the same as Derek's atm, going lol light there just scares me. I like Mundy too, but I prefer Westhoff over Smith. Whilst I do believe Westhoff is slightly overpriced, I think his durability and handy DPP make up for it and some.

Sharkmove_King

*going too light (not lol)

Derek

im more happy with the rookie and mid-price options in defense. originally i was going 2 of the big defenders plus Witherden and Williams. I'm happy with just one of the big defenders and back some of the rookies at D4 – D6. last few years the defender rookies have been the stars

Don’t

So you are not starting with Sicily ? Do you see him as a top 6 Defender ? I like comments from supporters of each Club ?

Lazza

Sicily will be in my team at some point – 100% sure he will be Top 6.
(Whitfield #1).. I just have to decide whether to start him or not.. his bye works for me too..

Patch

Badly. I hate it. The worst position in Supercoach each and every year.

Dangerfield, ???, ???,
Billings, Setterfield, generic rookie x 3

Realist

Surely not going burnman billings patch? Only scores well when saints play well, won’t happen a lot this year.

Rivo

Glad to have the Podcast back lads. This is where it gets hard. If you had to pick now…

1. B.Smith, Duursma & Setterfield?, or
2. Roberton, Quaynor & Petruccelle?

Sam_01

Well rookies are totally dependant on who lines up rnd 1 so really it’s just smith vs roberton, flip a coin I’ve gone both, both seem good value

Sharkmove_King

Pretty close but I prefer the rookies in number 1

Sharkmove_King

Anyone been down to Hawthorns training much this year, or maybe a friend of a friend down there?

Has Sicily trained with the forwards at all? Because it seems silly that you would swing him with Gunston when Gunston is a better forward and Sicily a better defender. Gunston was an All-Australian forward last year!!! Sicily probably will be an All-Australian defender if he stays there. Makes no sense

magic mullet

sicily should play defence this year but he and gunners may switch in the last quarter if they need a spark in attack

Prizza

Started his career as a forward and I'm not saying he is a better forward it just makes him a dangerous swing that may not impact his scoring.
Kicking goals, scoring involvements is also supercoach friendly.

Derek

Sicily will be in defence this year. Reports are he is the main man, will take a lot of the kick ins and will look to be the intercept.

Shoenmakers has been training as the key forward role next to Ceglar, Roughy and Lewis. Gunston has his own position.

Sicily will be an good pick, good POD, but is high priced for someone who is a chance of missing games. Although there is an article on the hawks website saying what a natural and mature leader he has become this pre season

skindog

Sicily will stay back, he runs forward anyway and kicks goals, He'll be smarter this year, gunner normaly forward and wing and spends time in def, im liking Gunner as a pod, shhhhhh

Roger

IMHO the Gunner is a low standard deviation player. At a guess and without checking, I would say that his price has been pretty stable over the entirety of previous seasons. This is not a bad thing but it means you can pick him up any time during the season. Right now is a good time to find value picks, players that will likely rise in value that you can afford now but would cost $100K+ more coin later in the season. The Worpedo or Chad may be better value in the forward line if you must have a Hawk

Nice_Person

I've seen a few articles suggesting that he will be swung at times. Just scares me off spending 570k on that. If I was certain he was 100% he would be a lock to start for me

Jester

Would the additional points given to kick ins come at the expense of other players given there is a specific allocation of points per game. With the 666 rule, I can also see an increase in clearances and contested marking forwards.

Derek

Still the same points.

People talk about getting an extra 4 pts for the kick in.

With the kick in rules, it is still governed by the basic SuperCoach rules. The player will only be rewarded with points if it is a good kick and will lose points if it is a bad kick.

A 40 meter kick down the line to a contest, might get them 1 point if lucky.

There is no points for the possession, just for the disposal

I think the 4 pts is coming more from the other form of the game

Derek

In SuperCoach, about 40% of the points come from disposals, about 50% from possessions and 10% from hit outs, free kicks and other.

Rick Grimes

Good points Derek. I'm going to pick my team without much thought for the new rules. My only concern is around the uber priced defs, who I hate paying for anyway.

Sixtybloody6

So you'll pay for the Uber priced fwds that throw out 30's?

Russty_

Which uber priced forwards do you think will throw out 30-ish scores?

AuroraBorealis?!

I imagine he's talking about the JJK/Franklin KPP types Russty

Nice_Person

Thanks to Lek, who banned the troll from last night. I've now made an account to make it harder to impersonate

Russty_

I couldn't tell the difference, why don't you just post under your old name..you weren't banned were you, it was just your Giants expert mate wasn't it?

Nice_Person

That's worrying russty
I'm not going to get involved in at petty stuff though mate. So if you can't move on can you just not reply to me for the sake of the site? I'll do the same.
Plenty on great comments on here atm looking forward to the season

Russty_

I can do either…not reply when you're talking about Footy, or replying when you make it all about your ego, hopefully for the sake of the site, the ego will stay out of it this year.
I'm also looking forward to a good season…full of varied posts, with a theme of respect for all and their opinions.

neil demons delight

Hey Russty is GRESHAM a chance now . He is one of the few relevant s/c prems.With more mid time he has to be considered

Russty_

Hi Neil, yeah a chance for sure, will depend on JLT role..I think he's a very talented kid…kicks goals too, Steven being out could open up his chance in the mids for more time.
I'm already running with Roberton, Parker and Hind though, reluctant to put a 4th Saint in.

Patch

Loving both your work here fellas.

Cheers for throwing the account together Nice, does make it easier. That comment last night was from another account which has now been blocked.

Nice_Person

Cheers patch.
Thanks for clearing that up with everyone too. Let's hope the trolls stay away

Redd

Hey community what a glorious time of year it is! Almost time for JLT cant wait ta see footy back on the big screen! Just gonna throw my team up n what ya think all feedback is appreciated! Good luck to everyone!

Def: Laird Stewart Witherden Williams Collins Quaynor Hore Wilkie

Mid: Fyfe Kelly Neale Treloar Martin Sidebottom Walsh Bewley Hind
Atkins Gibbons

Ruck: Nankervis Witts Briggs

Fwd: Dangerfield Heeney Stephenson Setterfield Cavarra Cottrell Mosquito Parker.

Nice_Person

Rucks look a bit weak if I'm being honest mate.
Also not sure you can expect sidebottom and stepho to be worth their price

Redd

Thanks mate hoping to pick grundy up for a bit less i think he only need 1 quiet game for his BE to explode. And Steele us coming off his best season yet feel he's only getting better and stepho was electric in the afl x the other night heaps of praise from his teammates hes in great touch early.

Nice_Person

I was thinking the same about Grundy but then I looked at his games last year. A low of 95!! He's like picking an extra midfielder for me

neil demons delight

Dont know whether all four carlton rookies will start

Redd

Yeh thanks mate all rookies up in the air till rnd 1.

Russty_

Hi Redd, with Nank and Witts as your rucks, you could probably only expect 180-200 max per week.
Are you hoping to pick up Grundy and Gawn for a cheaper price?
How much cash do you have left with that team?….Stewart could have a breakout year but also couldn't…I'd probs swap him for more of a premo.
Depending on cash too…I reckon I'd upgrade Stephenson to someone more reliable….cheers.

Rick Grimes

I think Nank improves his average to 105, Witts I see 95-100. So 200ish between them. Gawn and Grunds go 250ish. So there's 50 points to make up else where. Does the $400k saved give you that? Can't really see how.

Redd

Cheers Rick yeh i think it has to. Surely u cant have the same amount of premos in other lines if you start with GG in the ruck? 1 or 2 below par games for them early and should get em cheaper by rnd 5-6

Redd

Cheers Russty yes def hoping to pick 1 or both rucks up at a cheaper price. Only $24,600 left in the bank. Im not sold on stewart eitha! Tried to fit as many rooks in as possible that should thin out come round 1.

Realist

Something tells me you’re a Collingwood man redd. Why no Grundy? Surely need at least 1 of the 2 big boys

Brn

Midfield and rucks make me want to spew mate. It somehow looks like you have gone cheap.on all lines. Too many mid pods. Stephenson and Stewart are very debatable, and there.is little appeal to nank/wittz. Sorry but its probably the worst team ive seen yet due to the unwarranted gamble

Redd

Cheers Realist yes 100% a pies man. Brodie has had an interrupted pre season just think he'll deliver at least 1 or 2 below par scores early n ill pick him up cheaper in a few rnds cheers!

Realist

Haha thought so mate, nobody else would pick Stephenson. Kids looks to be a star just don’t think he’s quite ready for sc premo status, would be worried about those 2nd year blues.

Maverick_

Mumford escapes his suspension gets off with $3000 fine..

neil demons delight

about right inconclusive

Russty_

Should we start calling him bad Mummy?.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Happy with team

Havent changed or looked at it for a couple of weeks.
Too much analysis can send you ga ga.

Only rooks may change but even those prettyset till rd 1.

Funny turns out ive got the top priced player in each possie who are playing ie not titch.

And squeezed walshy in. Cant wait to see how he goes in JLT but kid is a brucey special. Worth the cash in my humble opinion. 👍

JohnDJ59

After all my toing and froing I have just about ended where I started, sometimes it just pays to go with your gut feeling.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

As ive said all along mate

Always back in ya gut.

Started with the 7 reasons and went from there.

neil demons delight

trigg do you know anyone who can do a bit on the draft and how its done . There are quite a few newbies like me who dont know Derek maybe

Russty_

I'm struggling just to put a pre-draft list together mate…no Idea how that works lol

JohnDJ59

I've never done one either, all I can think of is you pick a player for a position each round, just have to keep track of what positions you are filling up.

Nice_Person

You'd also want to keep track of who is being taken off the board

Derek

It’s heaps of fun. Can be slow when a few people aren’t there and they get auto picked, takes the full 90 seconds per selection.

Have a look at the Draft Doctors. Fantastic info and they have a mock-draft you can play with.

neil demons delight

thanks mate

JohnDJ59

Yes that to, but I just assumed that once a player was picked, they wouldn't be there anymore, having never played I'm not sure how it works, just guessing.

The Ranger

Really looking forward to seeing Walsh play Trigga.
I wasn't keen initially but I looked back at what Cripps did at the start of his career ( 96av from 20 games in 2015 inc a 172 in Rd4) and figured he might be worth a punt.
Got him at M7 at the moment and if he can average around 90 to the byes that will do me.

neil demons delight

It does send you ga ga Trig I have changed mine plenty At present i have the top two on all lines and they are locked. the mids are my biggest concern with 'prems',–maybe B crouch even could find his way to M5 presently occupied by Zac Bailey good luck mate

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Interesting M5.

Whats the big attraction with young Zac?
Do u have any inside intel?

neil demons delight

Leigh Mathews rates him over Rayner and Hodgey is big raps for him New role this year sees him running back which Fagan says they desperately need Trialled in that role R23 vs WCE and scored 87 .Tough as nails

Derek

$180k. You would pick him ahead of Walsh?

neil demons delight

I have both Walsh a must too

Mick

Welcome back to everyone on a new season

Happy with the team where it stands at the moment. Tossing up the value of Walsh in the team and if so then Mundy becomes Gresham who i expect to be a big improver this year especially now Steven is down (or maybe it's the Saints goggles I'm wearing). Will determine whether Collins is an inclusion over the JLT and will try to work out a way to fit him in.

Sicily Whitfield Wiliams Roberton Duursma Jones H (McLennan, Hore)
McCrae Cripps Kellly J Cogs Crouch Walsh Constable Drew (Gibbon, Bewley, Carter -my floating donut)
Grundy Gawn (Fort)
Danger Heeney Gresham Blakey Settlefield Parker (Burgess, Petruccelle)

Comments welcolmed. Good luck to all on a great start to the season.

Realist

Is the floating donut really necessary? I see a lot of people doing it but can’t really understand why. One of the rookies always gets dropped after a round or 2

Mick

I think there is merit in the floating donut if you choose the right rookies. Fremantle play most of their games on the Sunday and a floating donut gives more flexibility to ensure you get a decent captain score. Some may say I am wasting more $$ with one player who will never play but with so many rookies this year I think there should be enough cash. What do others think?

Realist

Fair enough mate, understand the thought process, can’t justify it for my own team though. I just think it makes it harder and takes longer to get to full premo, not to say it can’t be done though. Good luck

KeenButClueless

would you consider Mosquito? Essendon have said he won’t get a game early, but is likely to get a game later. Gives you your floating donut and saves you a trade to get him in.

Realist

Should change your name, that idea is anything but clueless. Very strategic

KeenButClueless

thanks. Can’t take the credit. Derek’s idea. But I do think it is really useful

JohnDJ59

I always have a non playing rookie at R3, going with Bines $102,400 WCE have enough late games for it to work.

Realist

Not a bad team besides that though mate, personally not sold on Gresham but could turn out to be a really good POD

Mick

Thanks mate. Been swapping him with Mundy back and forth.

Russty_

Pretty solid Mick, don't mind it at all, Fort could end up your floating donut anyway, reckon Stanley will stay ruck unless he gets injured.

TOPHAWK1

Hi Mick.

A really good tough G&R side you have there mate.

No mucking around in the rucks, just set and forget. Over and done with.

You have selected decent value premo picks at m4 and m5 . (That is "Matt" Crouch at m5 right?)

The forward line after Danger and Heeney does look a little thin, but Gresham can (Unlike Billings in 2018) hopefully be a POD that delivers in 2019.

Good luck mate!

neil demons delight

reckon Lloyd and Laird would be the two best def .all other lines have the 2 best but a great team should do well

BlueBaggerJosh

Lloyd, Williams, Roberton, Hanley, Burgess, Harry jones (Mclennan, Hore)

Macrae, Cripps, Martin, Merrett, Taranto, Constable, Ely Smith, Hind (Bewley, Atkins, Gibbons)

Grundy, Gawn (Fort)

Dangerfield, Heeney, T Kelly, Petrevski Seton, darcy Moore, Setterfield (parker, Cavarra)

100k in the bank, where should i look to put that cash?

Realist

What are your thoughts behind Darcy Moore? Seen a few teams with him and I have no idea why! Midfield is a bit weak imo but good team otherwise.

BlueBaggerJosh

With the 100k will probably upgrade Taranto to boost midfield a bit and maybe get Walsh if he lights up tomorrow, Darcy Moore surprisingly enough has shown very good scoring as an intercepting defender (ranked elite in some areas by champion data I believe) and the practice match with Melb filled me with a bit of confidence, looked very comfortable in the role. Only risk in my book is injury, albeit a very big one.

Realist

I think his injury concerns are only part of it. He is very cheap, but cheap for a reason, if you look at his stats I don’t think he has the ceiling that you’d want. I don’t think Collingwood will rely on Moore to provide drive out of the backline like a Sicily does. You’ll make more money from a rookie, just my opinion.

Russty_

Got to agree, I'd be dumping Moore and putting someone like North's Wilkinson in there, and Parker onfield.
Then maybe you could slot Libba, Miles or Walsh into your mids Josh.

Mick

Cheers TopHawk. Yes it is Matt Crouch. Went G n Rs this season even though there are players like Miles on offer. Looking more at keepers so I don't have to waste trades later on. Agree it is a bit thin but think there is more value down back and am prepared to risk the forwards more. If Parker Settlefield and other forward rookies do well then I am hoping that premium players who can score big will do just that. Have the best two players in each line (counting out Mitchell). Will that work? Time will tell but we all need some strategy and hope that a little luck comes with us.

Russty_

Can't wait for this tomorrow night….should be a good watch to see how some of our potentials are travelling…
Carlton v Essendon at Ikon Park, Thursday at 6.40pm AEDT
CARLTON

B: K.Simpson 6, L.Plowman 20, P.Dow 2
HB: N.Newman 24, C.Polson 29, L.Jones 14
C: S.Petrevski-Seton 5, P.Cripps 9, Z.Fisher 25
HF: C.Curnow 30, M.Lobbe 27, A.Schumacher 19
F: W.Setterfield 43, M.McGovern 11, H.McKay 10
Foll: A.Phillips 34, M.Gibbons 40, E.Curnow 35
I/C: M.Murphy 3, J.Weitering 23, J.Garlett 21, S.Walsh 18, J.Silvagni 1, D.Cuningham 28, D.Thomas 39, L.O'Brien 4

Emerg: T.De Koning 12, L.Casboult 41, H.Goddard 45, M.Kennedy 7

Notable absentees: Sam Docherty, Alex Fasolo, Matthew Kreuzer, Caleb Marchbank, Darcy Lang, Jarrod Pickett, Tom Williamson, Liam Stocker

ESSENDON

B: P.Ambrose 29, M.Hartley 36, J.Long 34
HB: A.Francis 10, M.Hurley 18, A.Saad 42
C: D.Heppell 21, K.Langford 4, Z.Merrett 7
HF: D.Shiel 9, M.Brown 28, D.Zaharakis 11
F: J.Stringer 25, J.Daniher 6, A.McDonald-Tipungwuti 43
Foll: Z.Clarke 20, A.McGrath 1, D.Parish 3
I/C: C.McKenna 45, T.Jok 46, S.McKernan 44, J.Ridley 14, M.Guelfi 35, J.Laverde 15, D.Smith 5, M.Baguley 12

Emerg: J.Stewart 17, S.Draper 38, T.Mynott 39, D.Clarke 37

Notable absentees: Martin Gleeson, Cale Hooker, Tom Bellchambers, Orazio Fantasia, David Myers, Matt Dea

JohnDJ59

Out of those named I will be looking at Simpson, Newman, Setterfield, Gibbons, Walsh, Merrett and D.Smith, not worried about Cripps, he's my main man in the mids.

Sixtybloody6

Thanks rusty. Great content for those that don't know AFL.com.au exists.

Lazza

Hmmmm, Bombers only playing 1 rookie and Blues 3 plus Setterfield.. interesting that Gibbons playing ahead of Stocker

neil demons delight

Thanks for this Russty dont have to go to another site. all here .

JohnDJ59

Final team till the JLT back where I started. Def: Laird, Witherden, Mills, Roberton, Rozee, Collins, (Wilkie, Hore) Mid: Cripps, Bont, Dusty, M.Crouch, Merrett, Walsh, Brewley, Hind, (Sparrow, Atkins, Gibbons) Ruck:Grundy, Gawn,(Bines) Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Dunkley, Rankine, Setterfield, Moore, (Parker, Cavarra)

Realist

Very similar to mine, mills a bit of a risk but could put you ahead of the pack. Strong team.

JohnDJ59

Hi Realist, yes not many going with Mills 8%, I did have Williams at D3, but everyone seems to have him, so thought I would try something different.

Russty_

Full circle ay John?…lol this game can do your head in…why Bines over Fort or Sweet….floating donut?…chances are someone on your bench will be that anyway I reckon.
Could maybe go Quaynor over Rozee or have Burgess fwd to swing with him.

JohnDJ59

Hi Russty, yes full circle, just about my first drafted team, but without Oliver and Fyfe who's injures worried me, my R3 is my loophole player, I find it works for me, I did have Quaynor at D6 and he will be back there if named round one and if he looks a better bet than either Rozee or Collins and I can always move Rozee into the fwd line if I want to.

JohnDJ59

Already made a few moves Russty, Quaynor and Duursma in for Rozee and Collins in def and moved Rozee into the fwd line, in place of Moore. Merrett is also out of the side for now. Newman might be worth a look in def as well.

Russty_

Hey John, what if you put Wilkinson in for Rozee…what could you do with that extra cash?
As far as the expensive rooks go, I reckon only Rankine might come close to what Walsh is gonna be.

JohnDJ59

I did have Wilkinson on the bench at one stage, so that could work and Rozee could still come back, in either def or fwd lines if he is worth it, just going with rookies that I think will be there round one at the moment, so there could be a bit of movement between now and the start of the season.

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