PODCAST | Meddling with midpricers

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Lek has seen the latest images of Charlie Curnow circulating the internet and he had to go take a serious lie down on a beach somewhere, and to be honest, I don’t blame him.

What a beast. What a specimen of a human body.

He looks like a young Jock Reynolds – all he needs is the moustache. Good god now everyone’s getting sidetracked by a sudden rush of blood to the nether regions…

Anyway, Patch enlisted the help of Damo’s wonderful brain to talk him out of a plethora of mid-priced selections and break down exactly who you could look at – with a few surprises in store.

Strap yourself in, whack on some earbuds and keep your hands, legs and temptation to pick awful mid-priced selections inside the cart at all times.

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  1. Dan says:

    B.Smith, Roberton, Miles.

  2. Rivo says:

    Just the 3 x mid price risks at this point – B.Smith, Miles, J.Higgins. I’m sure one will work?

    • DILDOR says:

      Why Higgins, as a tiges supporter i hope so but what makes you think hes a breakout?

      • Rivo says:

        Tiger bias here. His mid time stats toward the later part of 2018 delivered some good scores over 90. He’s a ball magnet, second year only, works hard, and will improve the $392k start price. The problem of course is there’s a deep midfield at Richmond and rotations will soften his output. His junior SC stats were excellent. So definitely worth the punt.

        • DILDOR says:

          Ugly price for a second year small forward in the tigers team. We all know how much they share the ball, i can see him scoring a few tons but not averaging anywhere near it. I can see an average of like 80

          • Rivo says:

            He is super fit and covers for Prestia who misses games. Resting forward next to Lynch & Riewoldt could add to scores too. I have him averaging 85-90. Will be a stepping stone for the byes unless he does get past 90 avg.

        • DavidC says:

          Last year it was Jack Graham and that turned out to be a big failure. I think I'll pass on mid pricers this year.

          • Rivo says:

            That’s true but mid price are all risks. Plenty going for Williams returning from injury at a similar price. Equally tempting.

  3. Russty_ says:

    Williams, Francis, Miles for me.

    • Holty01 says:

      Nice. Mine are becoming less and les with every day. I only have Williams now.
      My lines are 3-5-2-3 with enough for nearly every other premo. I’ll simply wait for r1 teams and pin point where the rookies are lacking and then try slotting a extra premo in there

      • Russty_ says:

        Hi Holty, so you're anti- midpricer?….I didn't mention I had Withers and Taranto as well , and will have Greene if he's fit lol, I guess that makes me a midpriced madman…hahah .
        Funny thing is for all our best laid plans, many of us change our teams bigtime on the first selection night, when we know who's actually starting, no one wants to cop a donut first week.

        • Holty01 says:

          always have taken a punt on a few mid pricers but none really stand out for me. Greene might be a possibility but will more then likely miss games. Miles is tempting but has no help up there in Gold Coast. If the opposition have a tagger, good chance it goes to him.

          • paul says:

            One who can play, who i will be keeping an eye on is George. H .Smith also running in the mid at G/C.

  4. Maverick_ says:

    williams & taranto for me if you call him a midpricer

  5. GloryDays94 says:

    Williams, Smith and Miles are on my radar atm. Taranto for a breakout contender.

  6. Bobert says:

    McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Moore, Libba,Miles 1 less than last year (finished mid 400's) but another may popup in JLT.

  7. gator59 says:

    Williams for me and that's it

  8. Williams and Francis for me Dabbling with Miles

  9. Undefeated says:

    The worpedo to AVG 94+

  10. Nice person says:

    None, and patch you still sound like your microphone has a plastic bag over it

  11. BlueBaggerJosh says:

    Roberton and Smith, and although one head is saying to pick curnow i will be listening to the other one saying no.

  12. JohnDJ59 says:

    Witherden, Mills, Williams are locked in my team and in the back of my mind I think Salem from the Dees could be an interesting one as well. I am also thinking about Wingard if he is fit and ready to go round one.

  13. Rocksta_ says:

    Williams for me atm.

    Will add T. Greene if he gets a gig Rd 1. Releases cash for other lines whilst being a potential keeper.

    • Rocksta_ says:

      Sorry, I have Witherden as well.

    • paul says:

      I agree if Greene is in round one he has to be fit and at that price with his potential you would have to pick him.He may even play one JLT. all you want him to do is play until round 7 depending on output.

  14. Rocksta_ says:

    Roberton is good value but he cost me a
    SC Grand Final 2 seasons ago with a 33 odd. As such, he’s on my banned for life list.

    • Russty_ says:

      Understandable Rocksta, looking back he only really had 2 decent years out of 9 when he averaged 90 in 2015 and 92 in 2017, as tempting as his price is, I'd rather trust a rookie instead.

    • Wolf says:

      Banned for life list, I like the sound of that πŸ‘πŸΌ
      Mine would be about a page long !!

  15. paul says:

    Williams ,Mills, Wingard .I am interested in Birchall and Smith's performance in the JLT .Birchall has been noted saying "he is ready to go".

    • Russty_ says:

      Hey Paul, I read an article from a few days ago that said he probably wouldn't return until somewhere between round 4 and 8.

      • paul says:

        Yes found it on doctor supercoach thanks.

        • David says:

          I wouldn't believe anything from that site unless its obviously copied from a reliable source paul. The 'Doc' reckons that the kickin situation at Carlton isn't as well defined as other clubs hahahahahaha 5 minutes of actual research or reading the afl posts on the subject obliterate any truth in that comment and ID the 'Doc' as a spud

  16. Mitchhhhhhh says:

    Anyone looking at Zac Fisher? Had some mid time last year could be a good year for him

    • Wilbur says:

      He actually started 11 games in the middle last year Mitchhhhh and when he didn't start there he rotated through there. season high of 117 against Eagles only other ton was 110 against the suns
      Averaged 88 from his first 6-games last year including a season low 45 against norf. BUT in his last 6 games only averaged 61 and that included games against Saints, Lions and Dockers
      His last 8-games included 5 below 60
      You'd expect him to be better this year (his 3rd) but at 392k it's a massive risk

  17. WTFoxtrot_58 says:

    Is there a site that allows a download of scores and/or prices every week??

  18. The Ranger says:

    Got Williams, Witherden and Libba at the moment. Will be keeping a close eye on Hopper.

  19. Northernsoul74 says:

    Williams and Libba for me.

  20. Josh says:

    I have five Williams, Roberton, viney, Hall, Longer out of all of them roberton is one of the players on the chopping block just waiting for jlt too see in a rookie pops up

  21. derek says:

    I have not had much success with Mid-price players over the seasons. Cloke may have been my last good mid price selection.

    Who have been the mid-price success stories? Nank. McLean. Coniglio.

    who else? is there a common theme? ie fallen premium, Injury affected?

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I had Coniglio and McLean last year and Nank and Oliver the year before.

    • MarvelousMidPricers says:

      Seedsman and Brayshaw last year add Fisher if you cashed out after round 6. there were probably half a dozen others but I didn't have them

    • Liam says:

      Oliver,Sandi,Wells,Lloyd,Sicily,Devon Smith

      Heaps more to go with them.

  22. derek says:

    I have had the following Mid-price players in and out of my team this preseason.

    ZWilliams – thought he would have been cheaper than $408k. Underpriced defender who may even push for top 10. Good selection.

    Witherden – At the top of the price bracket. If paying $455k for a defender you would be hoping they are a keeper. Coming into his 3rd season will improve naturally. His TOG will increase, kicks the ball alot and as Brisbane improve this year should get a few more points for Score Involvements. Will benefit from the new kick in rules. Last years 88 average was injury affected round 22, take that out it was 93 average. I think he he can be a top 10 defender and should be a Good selection.

    Mills – i have started him the last 3 years. Has been disappointing. There is the promise of mid field time but i'm not convinced. Heeny will be 100% midfield not Mills.

    Libba – his price is good. $300k will get you some good points early on, but he won't make enough cash to waste a trade on. The Dogs midfield is very crowded. Looks like there might be a reasonable selection of rookies in the midfield this year, having him takes a valuable place in the mids.

    Kreuzer – the 'fallen premium' category. Can produce 95+ average, but his is injury risk. Even this preseason there have been problems. However if he is ready to go round 1, he will be considered as a stepping stone R2. Richmond, Port, swans, suns, dogs, hawks start to the season is very friendly for the big bloke. If he can get 6 games before his certain injury, that might be enough to get a decent price rise and pick up a Gawn at a lower price.

    Greene – i don't like the guy, but he can play footy. I don't think he will be ready round 1 so that might make it easy for everyone to not pick him, but with forward rookies looking hard to find, he might be the perfect F4. 2017 he averaged 98. He does seem to score well against the weaker teams and needs to kick 3 or 4 goals a game. His lowest scores have been against the top 4 teams. GWS early draw is one of the toughest. he must be considered if fit.

    • paul says:

      Williams a lock .With Mills it is different this year at a new club and green if fit for round one he is in.If these three start well you are well on your way.Also Wingard is one to watch.
      Its a wait and see .Bring on the JLT.

      • derek says:

        Miles (not Mills) was another who i had a look at. His price is the attraction at $342k that seems cheap for someone who averaged 100, 98 & 90 only a few years ago (2014, 15, 16). His TOG fell away at Tigers, he was up around 85% in 2014, dropped to under 80% in 2015 and just above 70% in 2016. He is a bit like Libba, takes away a mid-field rookie place who will make cash, but only $42k more than libba i would take Miles. He is an expensive M6 option, but i can see people starting him at M5 as long as they go deeper on another line if rookies are not available. Suns players are back on the radar this year (as is port) because no early bye. If i go with a cheap R2 i could look at him at M6. If there are not enough rookies on other lines and i need to go with an extra keeper in defense or forwards, i might look at Miles at M5, maybe.

    • Such is Fyfe says:

      Unreal reviews

    • Rick says:

      A lot of injury-prone players in that list that are best to be avoided. Mills is a 'gunna'. Out of that lot I can see only Witherden as a viable option.

      • derek says:

        i think the better performing midprice players over the years have been 'fallen premiums'. they are usually 'fallen' because of injury, it comes with the price tag.

        I do love Mills, have started him last 3 years. Not this year, even with the promise of more midfield.

        Right now my team has Williams and Witherden as the only Mid pricers

    • Holty01 says:

      Very good reasoning Derek. This is a good read

  23. Stacky23 says:

    Thoughts on Tim English (310k), Dogs number 1 ruck and showed a bit with 4/7 games 75+ last season

  24. Ja191 says:

    Brisbane have stated that their ruck position is up for grabs as Stefan Martin has been dealing with back and ankle niggles during the preseason. — Looking like goldy or gawn are our 2 options

    • derek says:

      Unless Archie has improved alot, i can't see it being a choice.

    • DavidC says:

      I think Witts is a genuine option. He played all 22 games last year and is a lock in their best 22. Also has the handy round 14 bye like goldy. About the right age to break out too.

    • Gen says:

      I think Sinclair will improve to a ~100 average. May be risky though with the Swans having Cameron and Naismith as solid backups

  25. GreendaleFC says:

    Def: Witherden, Williams, Roberton and Hanley. Witherden will definitely be taking kick ins, but I'll be watching the JLT carefully to see just how much the others take kick ins, and how often they play on. I'll also be watching Brodie Smith carefully.

    Mids: Viney or Brad Crouch. Will pick whoever better in JLT.

    For: Greene as long as he's injury free. Darcy Moore might come into consideration if he does a bit of intercepting work in the JLT.

    • derek says:

      Would you be looking at BCrouch or Viney as your M5 or M6?

      • GreendaleFC says:

        M5. Right now I think most of the better rookies will be in the mids and forwards, plus there is a lot of value to be made from the kick in takers down back. My current set up of Premos, midpricers and rookies is:
        Def: 2 4 2
        Mids: 4 1 5
        Ruck: 2 0 1
        For: 2 1 5

    • Lazza says:

      Brad Crouch is injured again..

      • GreendaleFC says:

        He just has a minor foot injury doesn't he? If anything groin related comes up I'll be writing him off.

    • NiceGuy says:

      Brad Crouch is a dumb move, even if he was fit there a dozen better value mids.

  26. derek says:

    I've set up a Cash League. Nothing too rich. $20 per player should add a bit of interest. Winner take all.

    email: [email protected]

    if you would like to join.

    I'll send you banking details and league code.

    Only bad players need apply πŸ˜‰

    Only 2 spots left.

  27. TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

    Ahh the old mid pricer.
    Bit like being inside a washing machine.

    You either get tossed around, beaten up and come out worse than when you went in or you come out clean, fresh, smelling like new and ontop of the world.

    My middies under consideration depending on structure of team. Middie =$250 -$500k.

    Top of the tree.
    Williams
    Miles
    Roberton
    Darling
    Curnow
    Gresham (though billings burns still raw)

    Pending thoughts (maybe JLT form)
    Ryan
    Newman
    Shuey
    Harmes
    Vardy
    Parfitt
    Kent
    Worpel
    SPS
    Vandenberg
    Hall
    Viney

    Normally start a couple these days as you have to given the cost of premos.

    Curnow beast like. Good luck in a one on one contest!

    • The Ranger says:

      Throw Libba onto that list too Trigga.
      I've never done it yet but one year I'm going to have to start a full mid pricer team just for the fun of it.

    • Tyruddanaut says:

      Curnow won’t provide good scoring potential. Key word potential. His ceiling is high, but maximum average would be 95-100 if you want a solid performer. More likely to score 80-85

  28. Jimmy says:

    Ive gone too many but they're all worth a punt: Billings (surely too good to have another year like last), Dalhouse (was an absolute jet and i think a new club will get his numbers up), Miles, Viney, Smith, Roberton, Z Williams, liberatore, mumford and corey ellis. So thats 10 mid pricers :O

    • Tyruddanaut says:

      Billings. Yes, will likely increase midfield minutes and/or usage rates.
      Dalhaus. No, his large scoring relied on his role as an inside midfielder, but Selwood, Dangerfield, Menegola, Kelly and Duncan will give him a similar role to Doggies.
      Miles and Smith. Definitely (I would say Ellis but his preseason is interrupted. I still have him)
      Williams in unproven and isn’t actually great value considering players after a year off don’t average very well and he struggled to avg over 90.
      Libby Viney. Both are ok. I wouldn’t rely on huge scores and put them in a similar bracket to Williams.
      Mummy is starting the year with 3 week suspension, hasn’t played for a year, and is oooooollllllldddddd. Might not have great JS anyway

  29. Mongrel punt says:

    Two players from Collingwood that may be cash cows as well as giving us good weekly scores are Darcy Moore and Jaime Elliott.
    Both sub 300k. Both in Best 22. Moore looks like he'll benefit from a permanent half back position and will take the kick outs.
    Elliot will make money and should be good for 80 point average.
    I understand fitness concerns but all pre season signs are looking very positive.
    Thoughts anyone?

    • The Ranger says:

      I'll be keeping an eye on both Mongrel but the injury concerns are too great for me to start either.

    • Tyruddanaut says:

      Oscar McDonald, Alex Peirce, Rischetelli, Bews, Reid, Thompson, Corr, Silvagni, Broad, Brown, OBrien, Bailey, Hipwood, Turner, Ballantine, McCarthy, Gallucci, McCartin, McCartin, Polson.
      All fall under the bracket ‘best 22 and under 300k’. Jamie Elliot has never really been supercoach relevant and won’t earn you enough to be a worthy cash cow. Just dead weight that you don’t need come seasons end or a wasted trade. Pass.
      Darcy Moore will show inconsistencies and might reach the heights people are expecting but he is in the same bracket as Jamie as well as not being a proven scorer

    • derek says:

      nice spotting. i had Elliot on my watch list at the start of the pre-season, but had forgotten about him. no news might be good news.

    • Rick says:

      I wouldn't be comfortable having either in my side. If either get injured you're going to have to find a sub-$300k replacement. Not a fun task.

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi MP, I'd rather go with Daniher if he's fit by round one, and a rookie, just can't trust Elliott and Moore with their injury histories I think..Moore's form is an issue too.

  30. paul says:

    What about Ford in the ruck interesting to see how he plays over the JLT

    • Tyruddanaut says:

      R3 yes. No way R2 unless your R3 has better security. The only reason you should play fort on field is because of his scoring potential, not JS

  31. Ja191 says:

    Need a forward rookie with good js/good output, is rankine worth the extra penny over Blakey?

    • Tyruddanaut says:

      Neither of them are worth the penny. Think about Rankine, predominantly forward in the worst team. Blakey has never scored well and is a kpp anyway, terrible for first years. Have you got Young and Parker from St Kilda? Burgess (also risky but chance of playing defense), Cavarra? Push Setterfield forward if you can and run with 4 premiums

      • Ja191 says:

        Yeah was thinking about just having 2 premium forwards and 2 expensive rookies that will play rankine/rozee – want to take advantage of defensive changes whilst also having Gawn

        • Nice person says:

          Smart Ja

        • Dann says:

          I'm really confident Rozee & Rankine will be guns in years to come but even in their junior footy there were low possession high impact players, that's not going to equal SC points.

  32. Tyruddanaut says:

    I want to take a punt at R2 (two faced about that or Gawn) so I thought I’d look at all the rooks/ressies looking close to a debut.
    Adelaide: O’Brien 136k
    Brisbane: Smith 170k
    Carlton: De Koning* 170k (3rd tall forward)
    Essendon: Clarke 140k
    Geelong: Fort 117k
    St Kilda: Peirce/Longer 230/360k
    Sydney: Naismith 251k

    • fatboyfat7 says:

      Not that I think this will happen, but in a recent article on another site they suggested Briggs might get some game time at GWS.

      As much as I am against messing around in the rucks, I'm keeping a eye on Pierce over the JLT.

    • Maverick_ says:

      may very well all depdend on forts JLT. if he cements that ruck spot at the cats you could potentially start a mummy at R2 and play fort (R3) during mumfords suspension. Mummys last averages are 98, 98, 105 & 113. GWS wouldnt have got him back if they thought he didnt have anything to offer so at 320k he has some money to make for us along with fort. but all very risky!

      i have grundy & goldy and they look to be locked in for my side.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      You can take Naismith off the list, Sydney have said he won't be ready till round 4-6.

    • Dann says:

      I like Tim English, need to see him in JLT & get some assurance he's got the no1 solo ruck job, despite still being liteweight I think he's got some really good scores in him. at the price if it goes pear shaped you can pivot to Mumford, Longer, Vardy ect.

    • BillyGoatGruff says:

      Been a lot of talk about sweet out west he's a 202cm angry beast "I love getting inside opponents' heads, so I'll bring a bit of aggression in the middle.
      "I give myself every chance to play round one, and there's no reason why I shouldn't think I can't.",
      I didn't hear anything about Fort from hoppers v cats practise game

  33. prizza says:

    If Miles is getting a game hes gotta go in, perfect stepping stone to a premium and will watch viney in jlt before picking him as the new set up is up his alley for sure.

  34. prizza says:

    M6 Derek, please engage me with some of your wisdom, still shifting my side around but miles isnt going anywhere and i think if moore is fit he might be another who could gain a quick 200 large

    • Nice person says:

      Of his 30 points a game?

    • Derek says:

      Try setting up your team as Pure Guns and Rookies. Williams doesn’t make the cut in my opinion. Try having all your rookies $123k. Select your best Guns, look for some value, but get the best you can

      Start with at least 13 Guns and 9 rookies and hopefully you should have some cash left over.

      Try to start 3,5,2,3 guns. But you might go 2,6,1,4. If you want Merrett more than Witherden, just do it.

      The key is how much cash do you have left.

      I have $387. This is your play money and is what I could potentially spend on a midpricer. (Plus the $123k of the rookie). I have gone Williams for now, but the final decision will depend on where the rookies are.

      If there are good rookies in defense I will look at a Greene in forwards or Milies in Mid.

      Your Guns are your priority, they will hopefully be with you all season, the rest will come and go and only real purpose it to make you cash. Take your time and select your guns carefully. Of my 13 starting last year, I only finished with 9. The season before only 8. I made mistake and took too many injury risks.

      • I am looking to go to D4 with prems as the def. rooks just dont appeal. Collins Williamson wigg Hore are too risky .2 maybe but 3 is a hell of a risk. At present I have 9 rooks 3 on each line and 13 solid prems and that to me looks dicey. The mid rooks look ok and the forward rooks look better than the def ones especially when looped to the mids.

        • derek says:

          13 guns, 1 mid, 8 rookies

          it doesn't really matter where the guns are.

          It will all depend on where the rookies are. If there are 5 quality rookies in the guts, so be it.

  35. hedski says:

    I've fiddled around a bit with my team, punted B.Smith from D4.
    Current mid pricers are Withers, Williams and Miles.
    Set up is….(Premium/Midprice/Rookie).
    Def – 2-2-2
    Mid – 4-1-3
    Ruck – 2
    Fwd – 3-0-3
    Miles being the only stepping stone hopefully.
    It all comes down to the available rookies come round one, will probably change drastically.

    • The Ranger says:

      I have almost the same set up Hedski only I have 1-2-3 in def. Still not particularly happy with that.
      And I'm running with Libba at the moment, Northernsoul74 says he's up and about.

    • GloryDays94 says:

      Good set up mate πŸ‘

  36. 24MidPricers says:

    Most of Carltons list is midpriced.
    Players like cunningham, fisher, Dow, Kennedy, O'brien, petrevski-seton all coming into the prime growth stage of AFL players and have substantial talent and roll through the midfield.
    Wietering, newman, marchbank have all performed significantly better than they did last year even Jones is capable of upping his ave by 20 if he's fixed a couple weaknesses

    • _Kyle says:

      I reckon you need to change your name to 22MidPricers. Imo the only 2 relevant players at the blues are cripps and simmo. Cripps being a no brainer.

      There are a lot of mid pricers however i feel there are far more tempting mid pricers on every line outside of the blues (williams, witherden, miles, greene etc)

  37. Sharkmove_King says:

    M.Hibberd. T.Lynch. that is all

    • _Kyle says:

      Not keen on lynch at all. The best forward in the worst team doesnt equate to the best forward in the best team. Hes got a lot more quality players around him at richmond as well as snags higgins and reiwolt who will kick plenty of goals. Averages between 78-93 since 2014 as the million follar forward spearhead in a team doesnt really scream pick me

    • NoLanguage96 says:

      Maybe Hibberd. No to Lynch

    • Clarko says:

      Hibberd could benefit from the new format

  38. Shaun says:

    Any leagues to join lads play to the end ?

  39. Holty01 says:

    After Sharkmove_King’s comment about Walsh vs cheaper rookies created a lot of discussion, it got me thinking. If people are so against starting an expensive rookie who looks the goods, why do those same people want to risk there money on mid-pricers who have never been SuperCoach relevant? This has been something I have been guilty of in the past. Just wondered what others thought of this?

    • WhoCares says:

      I can't speak for everybody Holty but my primary reason for starting a mid-pricer is the expectation of him becoming a keeper who consistently scores above 95 if fwd or def and above 105 if a mid. That way it doesn't matter if he only makes 100k because he also saves me 100k by not having to trade him. McGrath falls into this category, he had the best first year of any #1 pick in my memory and has now erased his weaknesses and increased his engine and is going to slot into the midfield and is a DPP defender ala Brayshaw. Darling is a midpricer who would be premo priced if not for injury last year and I consider a Premo.
      Secondary reason is points and $ A player who has a couple of years in the system is more able to withstand the rigours of senior footy and has a greater chance of playing more minutes every game and putting up consistent 80+ scores. I expect to trade these guys out around bye time unless they breakout.

      • Holty01 says:

        Nice reasoning. I like the McGrath selection as well.

        • WhoCares says:

          I also try to have any rookies not averaging 70+ on the bench and I like to cash them out in rounds 6,7,8. having a high number of mid-pricers enables me to 'paint the fence' early. Players like Walsh are similar to McGrath and many are trapped into keeping them (sometimes onfield) for the sake of an extra 20k when butchering them early and keeping the cheaper lower scoring one could mean an extra 100-200 points and an extra 100k. (200 points is sometimes the dif between top 50 and top 400).
          As per sharkmoves comments Mcgrath only made an extra 19k after round 6 Banfield made another 90k

          • FactCheck says:

            So Banfield actually made 100k more than McGrath?
            Has anybody ever seen Sharkmove and Scott Morrison in the same room? Seems like they're both great at speaking male cow manure

            • Sharkmove_King says:

              Wasn't actually me who bought up McGrath vs Banfield so you might be wanna practice what you preach and check the facts there.

              However, I thought it was an excellent camparison to make after 6 weeks which is exactly the time you should start trading them out….Unless of course Banfield was a keeper for you after you run out of trades?

    • DavidC says:

      Agree 100%. I only select mid pricers if they are a chance to be a keeper otherwise you are just burning a trade. Miles, for example, would need to score enough to stay in the side at M8 or possibly cover at M9 during the finals.

  40. Shake_n_bake says:

    Wingard calf issues has pulled out of AFLX.

  41. Rick Grimes says:

    Any thoughts on Christian Salem? Some rumour of mid time, may also benefit from rule changes. Averaged 89 over last 10 games, although couple of fairly shittty scores in there.

    • skindog says:

      They talked about him in the podcast

    • Lazza says:

      Report on Melb today saying Salem will play more mid-field this season .. and take less of the kick-outs … more mid-field means more SC points … consider.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Hi Rick, I mentioned Salem in my post on here yesterday, he isn't in my team as yet, but if one of the three mid pricers in my back line don't look like working out and Salem does, he will be in and yes he is a bit up and down, a big difference between his good and bad, when he's good, he's very very good, when he's bad, he's very very bad.

  42. Gen says:

    Ill be picking Hannebery is he looks on song in the JLT. He's a dual All-Australian star who should have plenty of footy left in him. Wont be a top mid but leagues above any other mentioned in this thread (pending fitness)

    • NiceGut says:

      He's a broken down spud. Lift your game Gen that's an idiot consideration

    • skindog says:

      Hes done a Hammy, never touch again, hes cooked

    • derek says:

      anyone who isn't a keeper is there to generate cash. the faster the better.

      if he can average 90 over the first 5 games, he will increase $132k. not bad.

  43. TommyC99 says:

    I’m currently running with this setup
    Def: 1-2-5
    Mid: 5-1-5
    Ruc 2-0-1 (Grundy and Goldy)
    Fwd: 3-0-5

    Thinking that maybe I’ve gone one premo too deep. I could take out a premo mid (miles to M5) to strengthen the other lines depending on rookies.
    Thoughts guys?

    • It is fast becoming the issue Tommy that .M5 is the key and i am thinking the Miles for Crouch to free up cash to strengthen defence Your defense also must be weak with 1 2 5. I am looking at 2 2 4 with Miles good luck

      • TommyC99 says:

        Thanks for the reply Neil! My defense currently is Laird, Withers and Williams. If I take out Miles for a rookie id probably bring in Whitfield in defense

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Mine is nearly the same, but I'm going with five premos and three rookies on field in the mids and three mid pricers in the back line. Def: 1-3-4 Mid: 5-0-6 Ruck 2-0-1(Grundy/Gawn) Fwd: 3-0-5

      • TommyC99 says:

        Yeah if i was to have 3 rookies in midfield, id be dumping Miles and just go 5-0-6

  44. DILDOR says:

    Is anyone looking at Jack Steele? I think he's a genuine gun in a Saints midfield thats begging for some class. He disposes of the ball quite well, tackles like an absolute bloody machine and can run the house down. Has had some natural progression and averages 94 from only 24 disposals per game. Interestingly in the second half of the year he spent the first quarter to half tagging the oppositions premium midfielder, after that he ran around by himself. I think this is less defensive and more to get him around the ball, in this time he averaged 112 with a high of 145 and a low of 81. He's priced at 512k and i think he could genuinely average around 108-110, especially if he can go from 24 to 28 disposals per game. Thoughts?

  45. skindog says:

    Righto, i never pick high priced rooks, but Rozee and Rankine are looking good from all reports ive seen, and could both line up rd 1, anybody else considering either of them??

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I did have both, but I just took out Rankine, thinking he might not see a lot of it playing for GC.

      • skindog says:

        Yeah good call John, ive even got Walsh in now, wtf am i doing? hahaha

        • derek says:

          i am hoping i will have some cash left over so i can squeeze Walsh in. reports are be is a tough bugga

          • skindog says:

            Yep, killing it, looks like a lock, i hate high priced rooks, but hes in atm, His scores and averages are elite compared to first year'ers like Greene at some time, and he averaged 94 playing in the mids at gws, so for $207 and averge 80+, im in,,

          • derek says:

            Lloyd to Whitfield i can go from a cheap rookie to Walsh.

            • skindog says:

              That would be my move Derek, Lloyd has a niggle atm, not suer how bad but im nit taking him

        • JohnDJ59 says:

          I have four high priced rookies, Rozee and Quaynor in defence, Walsh in the mids and Setterfield in the fwd line. Al my other rookies are mainly $117,300 in price, I have one $123,900 rookie in the mids, all my bench rookies are priced between, $102,400 – $117,300.

          • skindog says:

            Im growing cold on setterfield, he worries me, not heard enough of how hes going? have you heard much DJ?

            • JohnDJ59 says:

              I'm keeping him in there for now, we won't know much till the preseason comp, but at least by being a mid priced rookie we can downgrade to any $117,300 rookie if need be.

    • Holty01 says:

      I will only consider them if we don’t have enough cheap rookies playing rd1. Although I haven’t ruled Walsh out yet so I’m contradicting myself here.

  46. Shake_n_bake says:

    Gray also out of AFLX knee soreness

  47. skindog says:

    Grundy training away from main group with bandaging on his lower leg, this could be helpful, Beams doing full training and Howe still limping,

  48. BrownlowBoy says:

    For all those wondering about Walsh. This kid is a different beast compared to other top players drafted at the top.

    • The Ranger says:

      There's certainly a lot of people bigging him up BB.
      Looking forward to seeing what he can do.

      • Holty01 says:

        As a Carlton supporter I’m excited. I’m just concerned he won’t get the help he needs in our midfield. We do have Cripps obviously and Curnow, just hope a few more can step up this year.

      • BrownlowBoy says:

        I've watched him play for the Falcons etc. As a bottom ager when the Falcons won the flag, he was huge. Was in the best players 10 times this year and 9 times last year.

        Pretty sure he has the record for most disposals recorded as a bottom ager at the Falcons too. Averaged 32 disposals, five marks and five tackles per game in 12 TAC Cup matches this season too.

        He won the best player in division 1 medal at the AFL Under 18 Championships, despite his team losing all 4 games and was named captain of the Under 18 All Australian team.

        He's a very good runner as well, finishing second in the yo-yo test and third in the 2km time trial at the draft combine.

        I'm not saying he's a lock in your supercoach team, but I wouldn't knock anyone going into round 1 with him or without him.

        Playing against men will obviously be a whole different ball game, which he hasn't been exposed to like he would if he had been playing SANFL or WAFL footy.

  49. Rick Grimes says:

    I wasn't sold on Miles but the more I think about it he has to be a lock. Should average 90 odd and make you $150k. From there he could be and easy jump to a premo coming off a bad score. Thats one trade rather than a potential two you'd be doing with rookies. Makes sense…I think.

    • Rick Grimes says:

      Plus he gives you good returns in the interim.

    • BrownlowBoy says:

      My only worry is he is a one trick pony. A small midfielder, can't really play anywhere else on the ground. I don't expect the Suns to win many games or be very competitive, so the way SC allocate points for influence on the game, just because his stats may look good, he won't score well due to the impact on the game itself as the Suns will be losing majority of games.

    • Captain Risky says:

      Agree with the logic. Hopefully he gets off to a good start. Gold coast have – StK, Fre, WB & Car in the first 4 games, about as easy as it gets.

    • Derek says:

      Would you slot him at M5 or M6

      Does he take a premium or a rookies place?

  50. AuroraBorealis?! says:

    Does Williams coming back into the GWS side move Whitfield back into he wing role he previously held? Or would they both play running off the halfback flank?

    • Holty01 says:

      That is a good question. Let’s hope JLT gives us a better idea.
      But if I had to guess now, I’d say the wing is more likely as Scully and Sheils are now gone so will be some spots in that midfield

      • AuroraBorealis?! says:

        Cheers Holty, if he does move back into the wing role then i think he's crossed off my list, although maybe with more ball up for grabs he can improve that average of his. Who knows, JLT watch and wait πŸ™‚

        • The Ranger says:

          Just my opinion based on what I've been reading lately AB but I think it might be those running, outside, wing type midfielders that might benefit most from the new 6-6-6 rule.
          A few players have mentioned how they're noticing that speed away from the contest will be important and also having the tank to spread quickly from the centre bounce and get to the next contest and do that all day.
          Be interesting to watch the JLT to see if there's evidence of that but it's pushed Whitfield up my watchlist as he has a good tank.

          • AuroraBorealis?! says:

            Thats some solid info there Ranger, I didn't really think about how the rule change might effect wingers, will be eagerly watching the JLT. Cheers

          • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

            Agree reckon wingers will be big beneficiaries

          • Derek says:

            I want to start with 2 of Lloyd, Laird or Whitfield.

            Lloyd and Laird are there now, but Whitfield’s price is very appealing.

  51. AuroraBorealis?! says:

    Also, does Greene get a gig in the midfield now that Scully and Shiel are gone? Or will he continue in his role up forward?

    • SW Roosters says:

      Greene has had a very modified pre-season. Wouldn't have thought he would be in a position to play significant midfield.

      Also the fact that along with Robbie Gray is probably the best mid size forward in the game means in my opinion he will be mainly forward.

      • AuroraBorealis?! says:

        Cheers Rooster, sounds pretty logical to me. Will be watching JLT (if he plays) and noting his role closely

  52. Sharkmove_King says:

    Been a heap of talk about starting Walsh or not I reckon it almost deserves its own podcast (although Lekdog might be extremely bias)

    FWIW I reckon it's okay to not have Walsh in your team at this stage, and it's also okay to have him……But to not even consider him before you've even seen him or any of the 117-123k rookies play, just because of his price, is utter madness!

    • Sharkmove_King says:

      Also when people say the extra money I save from picking a 123k rookie I can pick Fyfe instead of Zorko, that only applies if you were actually going to pick Zorko.

      You can't just compare any 2 players 80-90k apart. Otherwise I could say I'd rather spend the extra 80-90k on Walsh and then pick Zac Williams instead of Matthew Suckling… I think I'll come out ahead

    • _Kyle says:

      I think its more crazier to pick a 200k rook without having seen them play at AFL level prior

  53. redgumwon says:

    I've been toying with the idea of Tom Rockliff. I just read an article at the AFL site. It says that Rocky top a massive hit from Sam Pepper-Powell. No trouble at all. It also said that Rocky is expecting to play more as an inside mid as he's trained all pre season in that position. I'm keeping a very close eye on Rocky in the pre season games. If he comes up like the Rocky of old he's a lock in my side.

    • AuroraBorealis?! says:

      Jesus thats a risky call redgum, but if it pays off it'll put you so far ahead of the pack. I'll be interested to see how that one goes for you, cheers.

    • skindog says:

      Just read the article, big gutsy call there Red, i dont have those stones, but i see the attraction,

      • redgumwon says:

        No risk no reward but if Rocky can get back the Supercoach Stud or even half that he was he could be steal of the year. I'll be keeping a very close eye on him in the pre season games. Says he is coming into the JLT games to replace Grey

        • redgumwon says:

          Friday night Port intra club practise game and Rocky found heaps of the pill. Looking like a lock if Rocky keeps this up guys

    • SHU says:

      he is on my watchlist but idk if i am man enough to take the risk. there are defintely some positive signs suggesting he can get back to his best. His fitness and position as u said, but also polec has left and wines will be injured for the first few rounds so he may start off on fire… will have to wait and see.

      • redgumwon says:

        My thoughts as well SHU. I think Rocky can be a big risk but if it pays off he could be a massive POD

    • PJ8 says:

      Don’t do it

    • Rocksta_ says:

      Don’t do it! Top 5 burnman

    • The Ranger says:

      I had a terrible nights sleep 'cos of this post (shivers)

    • Derek says:

      I read that article and pushed him up a bit in my draft order, very happy to get him M5.

      Not thinking about him for classic. Too many better options for that price

    • Stompers says:

      Hi Redgun, yep in my team at the mo, JTL will determine, but can always trade to a on fire rookie

  54. steve says:

    Thoughts on Mitch Duncan?

    With Gaz playing mainly forward this year, Scott rotating Danger through the forward line heavily, Selwood would be almost certain to copping the tag each week and i cant see kelly having the same year he had to last year.

    Id assume this would allow Duncan to be Geelongs most consistent midfielder, his averages over the last 2 years have been 110 and 106, which i can only see this improving as he is entering a prime age in afl (27) and with a positive postion within Geelongs midfield

    • redgumwon says:

      here's been word that Stanley has been training up forward. Could this be to release Danger back into the midfield and send Gaz back to the forward line?

      I like Duncan but would only look at him for the draft format of Supercoach at this stage

      • Russty_ says:

        Gaz will be playing almost exclusively in the fwd line this year, he said it himself.
        I'm not ruling out Duncan, he's super consistent score-wise, (doesn't get many low ones)

      • Tommy says:

        Duncan is a much better POD than rocky imo redgum (much less risk). Just goes to show everyone has an opinion, only time will tell

        • redgumwon says:

          We do all have an opinion Tommy but Duncan is $100k over the $500k mark as where Rocky is just a tick $400k. Each to their own but

    • Post_MaSloane says:

      I’ve been bullish on him for the last 2 years, so he’s not leaving my team this year! Lock!

    • Dann says:

      Dunc's role wont change, Kelly will get more mid time, as will some of the younger players like Parfitt, Narkle, Constable.

    • BillyGoatGruff says:

      Danger was carrying an injury last year and that's why he spent so much time forward, at least that's what he said on afl website

  55. redgumwon says:

    There's been word that Stanley has been training up forward. Could this be to release Danger back into the midfield and send Gaz back to the forward line?

    I like Duncan but would only look at him for the draft format of Supercoach at this stage

  56. Dave says:

    One name I don't see in the comments here is Brad Crouch. Are we all thinking the risk vs reward ratio is too high?? Currently I have him slotted into my side as a huge cash generator if he can stay on the park. Thoughts community??

  57. TMitch says:

    So, is everybody here still going to start Grundy? I never even considered it after hearing about a toe complaint a month or so ago, I do recall posting a warning about big blokes toes and suggesting that teams should be structured with the likliehood of him missing a couple of games at the start which generated a backlash

    • _Kyle says:

      The blokes still firmly cemented into my side

    • Gawn and Grundy still a lock for me. Torn between Walsh and Miles .Both are purely cash cows but how many games will the young bull play for Carlton 2019

      • Russty_ says:

        I think a lot might be doing that Neil, if Miles fails to impress in the JLT they might go with Walsh if he does.

        • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

          Need Moore to put his best foot fwd in the JLT so gets a gig rd 1.

          Will then run a 3 rook fwd line giving me extra cash to splash on.Walsh, collins/logue and quaynor

      • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

        Simiar to Dow
        Who played 20 last year.

        Think Walsh has a bigger tank for a first yeat player.

    • skindog says:

      Out of my side, for now, been watching this with a little interest, the money saved helps me on other lines, make's it look more stable and im more happy with my side,it looks like a car crash is coming?? have that feeling, seen it before.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Grundy is still in for me, but if he is going to be out for the first few games and Fort is in as the Geelong main ruck, then well maybe Fort in for Grundy ?

    • Russty_ says:

      Yeah he'll be right TMitch, 35 days to go, stick a band aid on it and he'll be ok.

  58. Rivo says:

    Revised mid price madness – starting with the below soldiers, based on the $300 to $500k criteria….

    Defence: Witherden, B.Smith
    Mids: Miles
    Fwds: De Goey (replacing J.Higgins).

  59. SHU says:

    Who do people think will be the top 6/8 defenders?

    rn ive got lloyd, laird, whitfield, williams and rookies. i want to put in ryan but not sure for who. LLOYD OR LAIRD?

    • Nice person says:

      Lloyd laird and sici will score far better than williams

    • Rivo says:

      Don’t ditch Lloyd or Laird. Whitfield role will be worked out during JLT once we see him & Williams play. If you really want Ryan, it’s find cash to add to Williams trade or trade Whitfield down to him.

      • SHU says:

        yeah was considering that as well. but still, paying basically 1.2 mil for two defenders is hefty. want to gauge who people think is the better choice.

        • Rivo says:

          Can’t split them, I have both. Lloyd has a better cieling but Laird very consistent. If I had to pick, Lloyd, just….

          • SHU says:

            yeah thats exactly my thinking as well. however i think youve gotta have both.

    • GloryDays94 says:

      Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Simpson, Crisp, Whitfield, Witherden and Ryan

    • not sure about Williams I have found the extra for withers. Will shaw affect williams

      • SHU says:

        i had shaw and hibberd last year, they killed me. However, correct me if im wrong but im 99% sure williams returned in the finals and scored a ton in his first game back. yes it is a small sample size, but it gives me confidence, as does brodie smith returning and scoring a ton or two as well.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I had both to start with, but once I decided to go with three mid pricers in defence, one had to go, I have mills as one of my MPP and I don't like having more than one player from the same team on the same line, so Lloyd it was.

    • Derek says:

      Lloyd, Whitfield, Laird are in the first group 100+

      Witherden, Simpson, Hurn. Second group 95 – 100

      Sicily, Cripp, Ryan, Andrews third group 90 – 95

      Then a huge group of potential 85 – 90. Mills, McGrath, Harbrow, Williams, May, Suckling, Howe, McGovern, Wilson.

  60. GloryDays94 says:

    No love for Mundy this year? Personally I think he will play more midfield this year now Freo have Lobb/Hogan to play FWD

    • Nice person says:

      Cool

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi GD, He's a reliable choice, just a bit old for my liking..I'm running with Danger, Smith, Heeney and 3 rookies.
      Mundy could be a good upgrade for me later in the season.

      • GloryDays94 says:

        People keep saying that about him and Simpson every year and they still end up in the top 6-8

        • Russty_ says:

          I know right?…they're evergreen, for me just more chance of age or injury catching up to him, I'd still pick him but just not to start, I'd prefer him over Buddy actually.

    • Derek says:

      He should have a good year. I’m tossing up between him or Smith.

      I do worry what happens when Blakley is back

  61. Fisherdann says:

    For the people going Grawndy. What is your plan for the byes with them both having the round 13 bye?

    • wont matter best 18

      • Fisherdann says:

        Cheers NDD

      • _Kyle says:

        This is another reason im reluctant on grawndy. They share the bye with the cats eagles lions and swans.

        If we look at my current team that eliminates danger neale lloyd grundy gawn oliver witherden and heeney. 8 of my ‘keepers’ assuming i start gawn over goldy. Thats a lot of scoring to loose in the 1 week. I feel a lot happier with 1 less premo out.

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Stuff the byes 😏

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        I second that Trigga, I have to say I never worry about them at the start, a lot can happen in 12 rounds.

      • Russty_ says:

        Stuff the Byes indeed!…my strategy is, don't have too many players from the same team in there and hope that works out lol

        • Derek says:

          The byes completely stuffed my season. Made a big mistake in having faith that a few rookies from Suns would play over the byes, they didn’t or they scored 20’s. Went from 3k rank to 11k

          Will plan better this year

          • Rocksta_ says:

            Yea, same.

            I dropped around 5000 places over the bye’s last year. I don’t think you necessarily need to pick your starting team around the byes, but avoid any glaring problems( too many premos out in same round, too many players from the same team).
            Trade planning though definitely needs to consider the byes from around R7 I reckon.

            • Russty_ says:

              Agree Rocksta and Derek, I'm not really that flippant about it…We all trade before the byes and it can be for a variety of reasons, Jumping on the next big thing, for an injury, to cash in a rook at his peak, but we don't always consider the byes when we decide who we're trading in.
              I'd say especially the 3 weeks before the byes, keep a close eye on how many playing you'll have come the bye rounds…otherwise you can dip badly in overall rank, I have done too in the past, but tend to think more of who I really want in there rather than filling bye places…I guess that's why I don't care so much about overall as much as leagues in the end.
              AKA…I'm prepared for one or even two bad bye results…cause I know I'll bounce back.
              It's a choice thing.

              • JohnDJ59 says:

                I have to agree with everything that all three of you have said, when I had my best year in 2017 I didn't drop in rank over the byes, but every other year I have, I do look at them with about five rounds to go and as long as I am only going to go badly in one of the rounds I can put up with that, at the moment it looks like R13 will be my bad round this year, so be it. I tend to have a list of players that I want to upgrade to and if they happen to be bye friendly well and good, but I won't pick a player just for the sake of the byes, he would have to be on my list.

              • Sorry Russty disagree . I must be alone but i plan a long way out. That planning has helped the last two years .When two players are equal it's essential to refer back to the byes. Its a lot of planning but worth it.Remember Shake a few years back traded a hot Danger out then back in the next week THAT'S A REAL SHAKMOVE .Byes , though a pain need planning NDD

                • Shake_n_bake says:

                  Definitely not alone Neil the 1st thing l do is pencil in the byes!!!

                  • The Ranger says:

                    I don't let it dominate my first picked team but I definitely have an eye on it and if I'm 50/50 between two players then I'll take the one that suits the byes.
                    After the rookie correctives in Rd3 every trade I make I'll do so with the byes in mind but injuries, suspensions etc can play havoc with all that planning.
                    Some years it works out, some years it doesn't.

    • Rick says:

      It's irrelevant. It means you will have both on the ground for 2/3 bye rounds.

  62. JohnDJ59 says:

    I think I am finally happy with my team, the only change apart from rookies that I could see happening is Bont replacing either Oliver or Merrett depending on form/injures and if I keep to the Grundy/Gawn combo. I'm happy with my structure of D: 1-3-4 M: 5-0-6 R: 2-0-1 F: 3-0-5 So to the team. Def: Laird, Witherden, Mills, Williams, Rozee, Quaynor (Hore,Wigg) Mid: Cripps, Oliver, Martin, Crouch, Merrett, Walsh, Constable, Bewley (Hind, Smith, Hayes) Ruck: Grundy, Gawn, (Sweet) Fwd: Danger, Smith, Heeney, Setterfield, Parker, Cavarra (Woodcock, Wilkinson) I've put Walsh back into the team mainly because it is easier to go down to a cheaper rookie if Walsh is found to be not worth it, than find the cash to upgrade from a cheap non playing rookie to Walsh if he is worth it.

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      After a few drafts I think i am going to run a similar structure with Walsh at M6.

      3 rooks on ground up fwd. Just need them to show up and good to go.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Having the rookies show up is going to be the next challenge once we have worked out our structure and players

    • dontblushbaby says:

      Very hard to read in that format JohnD, however I get your drift , similar team, but also like most

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Yeah, for some reason it always ends up like that, doesn't matter how I set it up.

    • Russty_ says:

      Glad you're happy with it John, can be mentally taxing thinking on it all too much too early, I've got my rough team in and am not going to worry about it now for a few weeks or so.
      There seems to be new injuries etc every day so chances are we'll have to make half a dozen changes by the last week anyway, when Libba gets a Tattoo of a butt on his forehead, Greene Karate kicks a Cop, Sicily breaks his leg Snowboarding on a half pipe, or Miles gets swallowed by a Shark while surfing on the Gold Coast.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Hi Russty, it was mainly getting the structure that I was comfortable with that took the time, after that the players picked themselves, thinking this will be the team I go with, just a bit of tinkering around the edges for injuries/form and rookies being selected round one.

    • Burgess for cavarra creates a swing Mills dicey otherwise great team john. Sorry What about Macrae could you slot him in .How much bank?

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Hi Neil, no room for Macrae I'm afraid, only $4,400 left in the Kitty, so couldn't afford Burgess by a couple of thousand, four expensive rookies that I think will play, if not I can downgrade to a cheap rookie that is playing. Like Russty said still a long way to go before the start, so could see some changes to the team, still not sure about Oliver and Merrett and have Bont and Brayshaw on standby if they don't look like being ready by round one.

        • Pity about Macrae spoils an otherwise perfect team and sorry John I can't see how you can get him either. He is a must have Looking forward to locking horns with you John NDD

          • JohnDJ59 says:

            Hi Neil, yes we are in two leagues together, The Rat Pack and JR Mega, two tough leagues by the look of it. I tried to get Macrae in, but was a bridge too far away and I would have been cutting into the strength of my other lines.

    • Realist says:

      The first thing you should do John is take out the ones that are already ruled out for round 1 or are highly unlikely for round 1.after you've replaced them you might not have enough cash, unless you like have non-playing 102k rookies clogging up your bench.
      Start by turfing wigg if you don't have the cash to replace him with a likely starter dump one of your mid rooks and replace with gibbons.
      IMO there's also big ? over Oliver after bilateral shoulder reco's. ask yourself would you still pick him if was a single knee reco? Shoulders are a far more complex joint than knees just ask Rocky. No way will Oliver maintain his price over first 8-weeks probably drop 80-140k as Brayshaw shows why he nearly won the Brownlow.
      Other doubt is Merrett we have seen his best and sadly it's behind him, McGrath will probably outscore him this year

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Hi Realist, you will have noticed I posted this two days ago, before I knew about Wigg and yes I don't usually have $102,400 rookies on the bench, there are only three by the way, but at the time that was the only way I could get the team I had on the field. I have the bonus that four of my on field rookies are high priced ones, so depending on round one teams could downgrade one or two of them. I usually have a non playing rookie on the ruck bench for the C/VC loophole, so cheaper the better. You will have noticed in the post I also said that I was open to replacing either Oliver or Merrett or both depending on injures/form and I mentioned to Neil that I was a bit concerned about Oliver and Merrett and that Bont and Brayshaw were on standby for the two of them.

        • Realist says:

          I can only comment on the team that's here John if you've changed your team since posting this maybe remove the post so that good meaning people don't waste their time offering feedback

  63. Boris_Baconbeer says:

    The charity should be for me to pay my car off early. That or cancer research.

    • Russty_ says:

      I'd say go for the car being paid off Boris, Bacon has already been proven to contribute directly to cancer…sorry. πŸ™‚

    • Boris_Baconbeer says:

      Hahaha! Well that is true. So car it is then. πŸ™‚

  64. Jess says:

    Hi Guys. Some help please

    Macrae and Goldstein
    OR
    Dustin Martin and Gawn ???

    • Holty01 says:

      I think Macrae is a must. I’m still uncertain of Gawns output now with Preuss in the side. Gawn will still probably be a top 2 ruck but if his output decreases by 10 points a game, he is currently way over priced

  65. Rick Grimes says:

    Grundy's toe and Gawn's Preuss. Could be time to look well outside the square.

    • Holty01 says:

      I think The saving grace this year though is we could have a couple of ruck rookies you can slot in at R3. If any line up in rd1 I think will make my decision very easy to start Grundy.

    • Maverick_ says:

      Goldy is locked it’s just whose going to partner him. I would love to save some coin n not go Grundy or Gawn because of pruess n grundys injury rumour but I don’t want to be behind from the very beginning when Grundy pumps out 125+ Weekly til his bye. Who are our other realistic options…
      Stef is injured
      Mummy suspended
      Sandi too injury prone
      Ryder & westhoff have lycett in the picture
      the nank relevant?

      • GloryDays94 says:

        Nank could go 100 plus this year.
        Improves every year and now has another good pre season behind him

      • Rick Grimes says:

        Yea you're right Maverick, there's really only the three options. I'm grundy and goldy at present. Nice to have viable rookies for a change.

      • Booma says:

        Witts? Hitting the right age for a ruckman, no competition & a nice opening to the season (4/6 games at home, against teams with poorer rucks)

        • Ja191 says:

          Plays for the suns. Started him last year myself, terrible decision. I’m not touching him

        • DavidC says:

          He has the RD 14 bye as well, I'm considering him. I don't want to start with a ruckman like Martin or Goldy who will most likely be 3rd or 4th best for the season. Last year I had Martin and still had him at the end while missing out on Grundy.

    • Nice person says:

      Grundy had his toe stood on
      He is fine, its just sore
      Why would they push the superstar if it wasn't needed?

  66. Derek says:

    I watched a few minutes of the Girls footy and on nearly every occasion the kick in after a point was taken from outside the goal square.

    Has anyone watched any of the girls and have any numbers, stats, observations?

    Anything from the practice games?

    I guess we will find out once the JLT starts.

    I’m thinking the kick in rule change could be huge. Not just for the kicker, but for the first receiver. Teams may not go short to the pocket anymore meaning Laird won’t get as many easy points, big fellas like Lobb, McEvoy, Gawn who can take a mark will be the target.

    We will know more in a few weeks time, but it could be a game changer

  67. TommyC99 says:

    Have currently downgraded Miles to a rookie to get another premo in defense. Currently thinking between Whitfield, Hurn and simmo who are the proven scorers, or go for a cheeky POD in Jack Crisp. Whitfield and Crisp probably wont take many kickouts but both had good years last year. Hurn and Simmo are the generals in their backline and are heavy users by foot. Currently have Laird, Witherden and Williams in there. Thoughts community?

    • Nice person says:

      Lloyd

      • TommyC99 says:

        Not willing to spend that much on him, reckon he will drop in price

        • kevwal says:

          Consistent, reliable, 95+ defender. Hurn. Will only benefit from the new kick-in rule.

          • TommyC99 says:

            Yeah liking Hurn atm, also a bit of a POD. Maybe a bit long in the tooth possibly? Only 2 tons in his last 6 games but in saying that, takes a lot of kickouts so that should increase his average

        • Nice person says:

          Most premos will drop in price, he will be the number 1 defender. He's not much more than simmo who you're considering

    • Lazza says:

      I’m going with Crisp at D3/D4… a little concerned that he has only recently joined full training squad.. but he will play 22 games and according to Bucks he will also spend a little more time midfield this season ..
      he may end up at D5 or D6 by seasons but he is a lock for me.,

    • Derek says:

      I think the new kick in rules will be huge. JLT will show us. We will all have Simpson, Hurn, May, Ryan, Witherden and Harbrow as our starting defence haha

  68. FLAG_pies says:

    Hey community, would love your feedback and comments.
    Also a few points to note of my team,
    – rookies of course are subject to jlt form
    – Not huge on mid prices and expensive rookies and can only allow my self to pick one on each line if that
    – Few things im unsure about
    – Starting macrae
    – Williams or Witherden
    – Fyfe or Kelly
    – Brodie smith affecting laird scoring output

    Anyway heres the team, 30k left in bank

    DEF
    Lloyd Laird Williams (burgess)
    Logue Duursma Hore (Wigg)

    MID
    Macrae Cripps (Constable)
    Fyfe Neale Martin (Hind)
    Miles Stocker Bewley (Gibbons)

    RUCK
    Grundy Goldstein (Fort)

    FWD
    Danger Heeney Wingard (Corbett)
    Setterfield Stengle Cavarra (Mosquito)

    • Derek says:

      Good team. Your premiums are all quality.

      Macrae will be top 8 midfielder easy. Lock him in. I’m not starting him and he will be an upgrade later. He might drop a few $ and there seems to be an oversupply of Doggie midfielders, a lot of mouths to feed. I’m going MCrouch instead to save $140k.

      In a straight choice between Williams and Witherden, I would go Witho. The extra $50k gets you a guy who averaged 93 last year without his round 22 injury, will only improve on that with bonus of extra points from kick in rules. I would be looking at getting both.

      Fyfe will have a big year. He will realise he is getting closer to finishing and the old Mamoth Curve will kick in as he steels himself for a last crack. I think he will average 110 but that elbow worries me and I can’t see him playing a full season. Kelly will average 110 but if over his groin issues I’m more confident he plays all games. Kelly just

      I cant see Smith will effect Laird. Laird has been good for a fair while now, probably when Smith was playing. Crows want the ball in his hands.

    • Sharkmove_King says:

      Of course you'll get Macrae cheaper but you'll more than likely miss out of some big ones till you get him. I'd say, if you can afford him without destroying another line then start him.

      Williams

      Kelly

      Smith will effect Laird's output but he'll still be top6. 100 odd average my guess

  69. kevwal says:

    Is Worpell expected to average 95>100? If so, that is keeper rates and must be a lock in the forward line at that price. If the expected average is less than 95, then he is not a keeper and a very expensive rookie as it will take him forever to gain cash from his starting price.

    • Derek says:

      Yep. Only Two types of players. Keepers and cash cows. If they are not a keeper then they are only a cash cow.

      Always a good debate about how much cash is worth a trade.

      Worpel seems expensive for someone who only had 9 games. Surprised he has forward status because he is 100% mid this year, which is good for supercoach.

      Everything says he will be a good pick but I’m not convinced he is good enough to average anymore than 85 – 90.

      • Rick Grimes says:

        Feel the same Derek. 90odd at best I think, which means he's not a keeper and probably not a big enough cash generator. Awkward price.

        • Derek says:

          he Is in the hawks best 22, but not locked in

          He is like a lot of players in that price range, similar average

          • The Ranger says:

            Is there not a third player type Derek?
            The stepping stone?
            Using Libba as an example, you put him in your starting team because you think he can average 90odd at least (more points than a rookie) and will increase enough in value for you to be able swap to a premo keeper without having to add much money to his value.
            i.e he hits 450-500K quite quickly and you only have to add 50-100K.
            I'm not recommending the stepping stone necessarily but I think it's a viable option.

            • kevwal says:

              Libba 300k, can get to 450k fairly quickly (maybe) which would be a good return even for a rookie, plus the extra points, just talked myself into Libba over Walsh. On the other hand, Worpell 400k and will not get to 550k in a hurry, if at all. Rookie for me in the fwd line.

              • Derek says:

                Both are making money, therefore a cash cow.

                You wouldn’t get a $300k player in and hope they average 55. But you would get a $600k player to average 110.

                Where a stepping stone player would be relevant is more in the rucks, where there is less places, you could be waiting for a Grundy or Gawn to drop in price, having a player hold their value before jumping on a cheaper Gawn is almost same as a cash cow.

    • skindog says:

      Only 5 players averaged 100+ so if he averages 90+ ? keeper for mine,

    • Clarko says:

      Hawks are going to need someone in the middle. Why not Worpel? Let's watch the pre season games and then decide.

      • Skindog says:

        Worlpel and Jagerbomb, plus Shiels and a couple of other young blokes like Howe and Cousins and Morrison, plus some pinch hitting from some old heads, Worps is training for it now, he’ll average 88-95+, he’s one of those blokes, def in my side, Jager will get the tag, WORPEDO off the chain!

    • Nice person says:

      Watch all you blokes jump on him after jtl, full time midfielder this year. Value for his price, the worpedo is a jet

  70. BadgerHoney7 says:

    is worpel, mills, and miles to many midpricers – not in my team just wanted to see what people think of these three

    • Rick Grimes says:

      I like Miles. Think he'll average similar to what Lyons did for the suns last year. Round 95-100 ave. Mills intrigues me. Has promised to break out at some stage. Will more mid time could be worth a shout.

    • Clarko says:

      Miles is a trap imo. Dud team reject player, he'll get tagged and shut down more often than not.

      • SHU says:

        i agree, i have a gut feeling he wont do well. Its easy to see why he may do similar to lyons if u dont put much thought into it, new team and gc has no one really. However, there is a reason he didnt break into richmonds best 22, yes it was a very good team but surely if he was good enough he wouldve played more. More importantly though, lyons played regularly for adelaide before switching and had a good year before his move to gc. the sample size for miles is minimal.

        At the end of the day, like all other mid-pricers, there is risk, and who knows i might have him in my team come round 1 but rn im not feeling it.

        • Derek says:

          At a bit cheaper price, I like Brayshaw. Ross has said his 3 main midfielders will be Fyfe, Mundy and Brayshaw.

          • SHU says:

            oh wow, didnt know that. if thats the case i think mundy may have to be my f3 because ive been struggling picking one.

        • Ja191 says:

          He couldn’t break into the team because he’s a one dimensional player. Can only play inside mid and no where else which we didn’t really need. He is however a very good player and will rack up the pill at gc and is a steal for that price imo

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Badger, I did a team re-shuffle today, I had Miles locked from the start but have now taken him out for Walsh to see what I could do with the extra moolah and it makes a difference, also took out Gawn for Goldy again and I like the balance of my team now.
      Can't rate Worpel or Mills, as I'm not really considering either.

  71. Holty01 says:

    Wigg out for season.

  72. GloryDays94 says:

    Joe Atley unlikely to see JLT and may miss the start of the season….

    • Skindog says:

      And another, wow, what a season,

    • Dave says:

      Source?? What did he do?

    • Realist says:

      Those Atley boys have never been SC relevant.
      That said, it might be time to scratch all of those players returning from injury and those susceptible to injury from our teams. Too many players going down due to unrealistic workloads from coaching staff trying to maximise on Mclachlans frankenstien. Bring back 1990's rules and let the real footballers roam again

  73. Krups says:

    Gday

    Max amount of rookies to start on field that is healthy?

    Was thinking 7 or 8

  74. prizza says:

    Does Tom Lynch regain the upward spiral he was on prior to the niggles he has received in the last season and a half?, he goes to a top side that gets the ball in quick ( and that was before the rule change which means its coming in more quickly than before ) he was before his latest setback a generational player and in a one on one situation just might be a risk i am prepared to take high- risk high reward.

    • Rick Grimes says:

      I've slotted him in and out of my f4. I can just picture him getting the ball served up on a plate each week. He'll have the odd spud, but he'll also go 150 now and then. If and it's a big if, he's fit, I reckon he's worth a punt.

  75. prizza says:

    NDD is the guru on the kids, been waiting for his opinion so i can make the gambles a little more educated

    • Nice person says:

      Not really, just rates them all

      • prizza says:

        Whatever, think of something constructive to talk about.

        • If it was only rookies Pizza i would be well up and i reckon i have nailed it again Forget that idiot WOW he only comes on here to cause trouble. I will endeaver to rate them shortly Got bagged for suggesting Sparrow who now looks likely to line up R1 Burgess is another to watch Good luck P

          • RealStory says:

            From suns website.
            "He will need a big pre-season to cement himself in Stuart Dew’s plans, but if he can improve his fitness and ground coverage, he will be in the frame for an AFL debut in 2019"
            Not a great wrap from his own club and suggests that a round 1 start is not gonna happen

            • kevwal says:

              Will this change now Wigg is a non-starter?

              • RealStory says:

                I doubt it Kevwal Wigg wasn't a likely starter anyway, he hadn't joined most contact drills due to being made from fairy floss. The only people tipping him as a viable option were the same people that tip every rookie and yet to debut player that gets named in the media. Apart from that Wigg would have been a small defender Burgess is a, fat, unfit tall defender who can't pick the ball up off the ground unless he's standing still. Corbett will also struggle to get early games

      • I will back myself in against you anytime WOW. Why not just be humble fool.

        • Russty_ says:

          Hey mate, it's not in his DNA, or his alter ego's….it's just bitterness from being banned 10 times LOL

        • prizza says:

          Lol thought that as soon as i seen it , anyways how do i register here guys, and i hope wowzer works out his problems poor bugger

        • Nice person says:

          So don't have an opinion of my own? Ok
          Who you backing NND

          • Dees to win the flag Martin the Charlie
            wow to get booted off permanently
            The site to continue in harmony with out you clown
            P3SS HIM OFF NOW LEK

            • Nice person says:

              Does lek even visit the site?
              No offence
              All good boys no need to get so stressed and angry

            • RealStory says:

              Why are you so troll-ish?
              Everytime that somebody points out your fallibility you attack them. What NicePerson said was true you do rate every rookie

    • Skindog says:

      Now now boys, play niceπŸ™‚

  76. Shake_n_bake says:

    Just one for Grundy owners. Not saying he wont be the premier ruck this year but ive watched training a few times and have seen Roughead pinch hit at times. I know they want to use him down back and with Grundy on the sidelines with his toe this trend might not happen come the season proper. Just one id like to keep my eye on.

    • Worth keeping in mind Shake They got him as insurance which was wise .Could work out well for the pies

      • Shake_n_bake says:

        Training well Neil, and thats why l think at training his getting time around the ground as a ruck looks super fit.

        • Nice person says:

          He's *
          So many ppl write his
          Pet hate

          • Skindog says:

            100% Behind you on that one NICE,!does my head inπŸ˜‚

            • Russty_ says:

              Hi skin, I used to try and correct people's English when I first got here, and realised it's a fruitless task, people type how they type, we just have to interpret it lol, don't want to be known as the English Nazi…hahah

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Shake, I'm looking forward to seeing what Coxy can do this season as a fulltime forward, could be a real force with his height if he can get some consistency.
      Not picking him but it'll be interesting to see.

      • Shake_n_bake says:

        Definitely a weapon on his day Russty. Hope he does come to play more often this year.

        • Nice person says:

          Remember everyone was huge on starting cox last year, Bell too. Weird times

        • Russty_ says:

          Can't see Grundy being hurt for long Shake…someone stood on his Toe and bruised it, he's still got a month to recover.
          I reckon Roughead will pinch hit when Grundy can't get back to the contest and occasionally Coxy when Grundy's knackered and it ends up in the fwd line.

          • Nice person says:

            With you on that one big rusty
            I've told people the same, but they are convinced that his toe issue is serious.

            • Russty_ says:

              Who's Bell btw?

              • That carlton /brissy forward people went nuts over useless should have been traded to the saints. Puzzles me why your mob cant land a big name just Kent Membrey and Bruce some champs there Russty

                • Russty_ says:

                  Oh right Tom Bell…where's he this year?….retired?
                  Mate, our whole club is such a cluster f%#k of incompetence, it blows my mind.
                  At least other clubs try something different when everything has gone wrong for the last 5 or 6 years…not St-Kilda though.

                  • Some of the kids you have are great Russty Hunter coffield and this years look good ,maybe the wheel is turning its the rejects that are crap

                    • Russty_ says:

                      Yeah good kids coming through…hopefully!…it'll still be another 5 years before we're contenders, if we can somehow manage to secure some genuine stars into our lineup.
                      Not sure if it's the recruiting dept or the coaching dept that's to blame, but look how many genuine stars are in our lineup now…virtually none.

                  • Mick says:

                    Sainters will be better this year Russty. Better off field management decisions Ratten I really rate. Gresham and Ross to be standouts and Steele to go to another level.

  77. Russty_ says:

    I have the perfect Bye structure at the moment, all I need to do is not trade before round 12 ..should leave me enough for the finals then lol

    • Nice person says:

      No one coming in?

      • Russty_ says:

        I'll be trading my butt off like everyone else, and probably end up with 17, 15 and 16 in the byes, and drop 10000 places.

    • That's sounds perfect Russty .Any saints worth considering Steele maybe

      • Russty_ says:

        Hey Neil, at the moment I just have Rookies, Wilkie, Hind and Parker….not game enough to try any potential breakouts in my squad, if I had to…probably Gresham, still don't trust Billings.
        Seb Ross is a solid mid but his ceiling just isn't quite high enough…a result of the team he's in.

        • Mick says:

          Ross finished the season with an average of 135.5 in the last four games. He is at the perfect age to go elite.

  78. JohnDJ59 says:

    What is the best strategy, having Macrae or Grundy and Gawn ? because I can't have both.

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi John, I reshuffled today, to see what it would look like, Miles out for walsh, Gawn out for Goldy, Macrae as number 1 mid…got Rozee in too, so 2 expensive rooks, I like the way it looks now. Have the Burgess Rozee swing.
      Reckon I have 3 kick in kings too, and one kick in receiver king.
      Macrae's BE week 1 is 125 if that helps, if he doesn't make that it'll be 130+ week 2.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        It is a hard one for me, I never intended to start with Macrae, he would be one of my first upgrades, but I feel he could be my Cripps from last year, I upgraded to him, but I lost a lot of games beforehand due to nearly all my opponents having Cripps in their team.

        • Russty_ says:

          That's it mate you have to weigh it up, he's all class and I don't think other players will affect him cause he's one of the best.
          I didn't start with him or Cripps last year and I suffered for it, got Macrae in late in the season but it was too late by then.
          Maybe you could ditch Smith again for Greene for the cash?….Greene is running and kicking well, just not in full training mode yet, he could be ok for round 1.

          • JohnDJ59 says:

            Something to consider Russty, although I'm not sold on Green, he's a suspension waiting to happen, having said that he could make some decent cash if he returns to his best.

            • Russty_ says:

              More about the points with the Karate Kid john, he's proven he can average in the 90's …and will probs make you some extra money.

              • JohnDJ59 says:

                Yes you are correct Russty, SC aren't expecting big things from him, so if I picked him it would be more as a future F6 , since he wouldn't make enough to be able to use as a cash cow. I really hadn't considered him to be honest, since I was going with three premos, three rookies in the fwd line. I'll have to think about it, but yes it is an option to dropping Grundy or Gawn. So I'll have a look at Smith&Merrett v Macrae&Green.

    • I have the 4 big ones John Macrae Cripps and Grawndy but it's a tough call. With the possible injuries to Grundy ,I am looking at Westhoff also not keen on many at M5 Is Danger to the mids an option gives me a chance to look at the options then swing Danger back. Westhoff averages close to 100. and gives that vital ruck backup

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Hi Neil, funny you mentioned Westhoff, since I would have to bring him into the fwd line if I went with a rookie at R2, I tried it out and it is a different looking team to what I have with G&G. Thinking what I end up doing with the rucks this year could make or break my season.

        • Russty_ says:

          If you bring in, say Goldy John, instead of Gawn, you just need to make sure you get the extra 20 to 30 points from somewhere else each week, assuming Goldy only averages 100 and Gawn does 130.
          Not sure what Westhoff will average this year with Ryder and Lycett in the picture…might not be as much as in years past.

          • Good point Russty I think it would be doable only with Forte. When you look at his stats Westhoff didn't ruck much at all ,more like a Tom McDonald. Worth considering

  79. Russty_ says:

    Just wondering how many of you diehard Supercoaches out there also play AFL Fantasy each year?…I've played both for the last 5 or 6 years (SC for the last 12 years), and find the other one enjoyable but don't pay too much mind to the details due to the unlimited trades factor.
    The draft game on the other one's ok though, I usually start a couple of Leagues on autotrade and that is quite fun.
    The other one's different because of it's primitive scoring system…get a touch, get some points regardless of the outcome.
    I never seem to do all that well in AFL Fantasy though….probs cause i don't care about it all that much.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Never played it Russty, I think SuperCoach takes up enough time, it will be interesting playing the Draft comp this year, not sure how it works, but it will be a learning experience.

      • Russty_ says:

        I played a live draft once John and you have to be there, online to make on the spot decisions, so make sure you are otherwise your whole season can go to crap.

        • JohnDJ59 says:

          Just had a look, 3rd of March 7pm and we only have 60 seconds to pick a player for each round.

          • Russty_ says:

            Yep…do a pre-season draft list as well with your preferred players, try to stagger them one line at a time.

    • Holty01 says:

      I’m happy to give it a crack Russty

    • Undefeated says:

      SC is enough for me!

    • Colin says:

      I ply all 3. AF I use to take out my rage trading. Feeds the habit, and I concentrate on SC and RDT. The knack to AF is taking advantage of price rises and falls from game 1. Cash building is parramount. Any cheap starting rookie gets a run first up. Any new arrivals go in replacing the lowest BE rookie in that line.

      2 trades a week feeds the habit.

  80. read about it on supercoach scores The two winners were deadlocked at the end .Both gave a write up and got me thinking. Maybe get a league going Thought i seen Pieman there when I got locked out here for that month Amazing people in their podcasts ex players and coaches maybe a thought for Lek. The top 4 were seperated by only 5

  81. johnno2908 says:

    How on earth is Dan Hannebery $61 to win the Brownlow on Bet365. Shouldn’t even be in the market.

    Surely not right! Or are they on to something….

    • Russty_ says:

      To be fair Johnno, if he was any chance he'd be at about $5…or less, isn't he still recovering from a hammy scare?

    • Nice person says:

      Who knows, leicester city were 1001-1 when they won the epl. Anything is possible

  82. TOPHAWK1 says:

    Hi community.

    Out of these $450K defenders who would you pick if you had to get bang for your buck:

    * Alex Witherden.
    * Christian Salem.
    * Hayden Crozier.

    There is no set order in the above list. Neutral question.

    • Russty_ says:

      Withers but Salem could also be good if he gets the kick-in duties, but he could share it with Hibberd. Salem kicks short and Hibberd kicks long though.
      But Witherden….out of those guys.

    • Derek says:

      Witherden by two miles

      I think May will be kicking in at the dees

      • Salem or Hibberd for me I like your views on Lloyd Derek just out of range

        • derek says:

          big spend on Lloyd. I think Laird could struggle to achieve his 2018 average with Milera and Smith there.

          I don't think Lloyd will be affected by Mills coming back, but he did push his average up alot last year, so it is a big ask to maintain. I think the kick in rules will be huge this year and reward them, not sure laird will be taking many.

      • Maverick_ says:

        witherden by the flemington straight fellas

    • TOPHAWK1 says:

      Cheers guys. I threw Crozier out there because he finished last season very strong. In the last 10 rounds averaged 98 with the doggies only winning 4 of those games. With JJ still recovering from hip surgery and not 100 % certain to play round 1, Crozier will have to step up. Only 25 years old and coming into his prime, he could be a calculated sneaky defensive POD option at $449K. He is on my JLT watch list.

  83. Russty_ says:

    Yo guys…leaving myself wide open here but need some validation…or not from my peers, I'd like to know what you think of my team…honestly and without fear of offending, cause I won't be..it's all a process and I value all your honest opinions.
    This is my team as it stands now…rip the crap out of it or whatever, I don't mind…so here goes.

    Laird, Stewart, Witherden, Smith, Logue, Burgess
    Macrae, Cripps, Yeo, Duncan, M.Crouch, Walsh, Hind, Gibbons
    Grundy, Goldstein
    Danger, Smith, Heeney, Rozee, Corbett, Parker

    I think Laird is the leading kickin receiver, and Stewart, Withers, and Smith will be leading kick-in-erers, for their clubs.
    Yeo, Duncan and Crouch are pods, and I like that…cheers guys…fire away.
    I'll check back tomorrow, thanks.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Hi Russty, Stewart is a interesting pick, a bit up and down for my liking though, never really considered Duncan and I wish Yeo still had his dpp because he just doesn't look right in the mids, apart from those three I like it. I have to admit that I have a bias to players that I am familiar with, as far as keepers go and that probably goes against me, as to going out of my range of players that I look at.

      • Brn says:

        Like you said mate, Duncan, Stewart and Yeo are probably going to leave you in that grey area as 'almost top position premiums'. Depending on rookie availibility , you could downgrade Rozee and Walsh and get some more ultra mid premiums. The fwds and def is where the pods are πŸ™‚

    • Derek says:

      I had to look up Stewart’s price. I was a little surprised he was $463k. I hadn’t even looked at him. That puts him in the keeper price. I thought Touhey would be taking the kick ins at Geelong? A few dollars less you get May or Harbrow who will take all the kick ins for their clubs, but neither are in my top 6.

      I have gone off Laird. The kick in rules will be a game changer, Laird doesn’t take enough, Lloyd does.

    • RealStory says:

      Burgess and Corbett both highly unlikey unless more injuries at suns but Collins will play early. Better to have an expensive rook who'll line up for round 1 than a couple of guys recruited to fill injury gaps and motivate/give confidence to the neafl team.
      Port seem to be crumbling already so Rozee will probably start, I like Hind, Parker and man-child Quaynor but want to see how they're used in JLT before they get on my team sheet. Gibbons is probably the safest lock of any player for 2019
      I think your backline is a bit soft mate. Stewart is a big spend/risk for a D2 that will struggle to better his last years average, even without Touhey in the early games. Surely your strategy is to trade him up to a Premo?
      Have you structured an alternative no Grundy team or are you gunna carry him on the bench for a couple of weeks? Don't dismiss his injury, his toe got stood on and the bloke still can't run properly 4-weeks. It was only stepped on FFS If you believe that Darcy Fort wont stand on it again if Grundy lines up for round 1 I have some great outback real estate investment opportunities for you.

    • Russty_ says:

      Cheers fellas and thanks for your responses, will take all advice onboard, I guess with Stewart, entering his 3rd year and Touhy out with a knee, I figured he'd take most of the kickin duties, as he shared them with Touhy last season and around a 50% kick to himself rate.
      Also I believe he could become premo this year but it's all speculation, could always go back to Williams from him.

      Thanks Brn you're right they aren't top of the top premos but Duncan is super consistent and has averaged 106 and 110 last couple of years, I'd like to think he could get back to 110 again but could just as easily bring in someone like Neale instead.

      Derek I read in the AFL Website's article "Getting their kicks", Laird is the leading kickin receiver/ mark taker at the Crows so I reckon he'll maintain his high output, also Smith could be the new kick in man.

      Cheers RealStory for the info on Burgess and Corbett, If I do start with Stewart it would be as a keeper, unless he doesn't improve his average from last year, but I think he can..he did score an 18 last year which lowered his average when he got an injury…could still go down to Williams if I get cold feet.
      I don't have an alternative plan for Grundy ..thought he'd be over the Toe thing by round 1 but I guess I could just replace him with Gawn.
      And haha I already own real estate far away mate and wish I didn't sometimes.

      Cheers guys.

      • Holty01 says:

        Terrible team Russty……….. lol just kidding mate. You have plenty of PODs in there mate but with no real risk as they have all proved they can score well. This team will make the league season very interesting.
        Like it as it is different to most sides I’ve seen.

        • Russty_ says:

          Haha cheers Holty, I've already made a few changes..as ya do!…swapped a few over and added a few more expensive rooks..after what Realstory said about Burgess and Corbett
          This is what it looks like now..on checking William's last few seasons I think he might score better than Stewart actually
          Duncan could become Dusty too.

          Laird, Witherden, Williams, Smith, Collins, Quaynor
          Macrae, Cripps, Neale, Duncan, Crouch, Walsh, Hind, Gibbons
          Grundy, Goldy
          Danger, Smith, Heeney, Rozee, Moore(Hawks), Cavarra
          $40 K leftover.

          • Holty01 says:

            Nice.
            I’ve right now gone a
            2-1-3
            6-0-2
            Grundy Goldy
            3-0-3
            Problem going 6 deep in the mids is I will have to hope enough cheap rookies play as I have not much money to play with

            • Russty_ says:

              I'd like to see your squad mate…any reason you've gone so deep in the mids?, I'm real happy with 5 and 3, if Walsh is a dud though it creates problems.
              One less premo could allow you a few more of the more expensive certain starter rooks.

              • Holty01 says:

                Sorry mate missed this.
                Backs Lloyd Ryan Williams Duursma Quaynor Hore

                Mids Macrae Cripps Martin Merrett Sloane Zorko Gibbons Hinds

                Rucks Grundy Goldy Fort

                Fire Danger Heeney Gray Setterfield Cavarra Parker

                71k in the bank

                Gone deep in the mids as feel more value there this year with fallen premos

    • Undefeated says:

      Watch out for Grundy's toe but an easy swap to Max. I dont rate witherden purely because he played on 50% of the time with kick ins last year, new rule wont add too much to his avg unlike a Ryan. Nice mids apart from Duncan, has never avg higher than 109 so i believe better options at that price. God is going more fwd but hes only been there a year and as i said, never over 109, not uber for me. Smith played out of his skin and broke tackle record, i dont think he will rise in avg. Theres my thoughts, anything i didnt mention i agree with.

      • Russty_ says:

        Do you think all the guys who already kicked to themselves a lot will lift that percentage this season though?..like maybe to 70%..must mean more points now that it's easier for them and they have more space, you're right about Ryan though, might have to find a way to get him in, I started with him last year and had him all year… he could become premo this year.

        • Undefeated says:

          50% kick to self may become 70%+ we will soon see! Ryan is the choice for spare man back also with Ross.

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Well thats different.

      Not sure why people are shying away from collins?
      For me he is a given to play every game, will see a ton of the pill, best interceptor in the magoos last year and has played afl.

      Sure he is excy but a lock for mine.

      • Russty_ says:

        Different good or different bad?…lol, I actually slotted him in now mate, will be a definite starter from what I've read.
        Too much of a headache trying to find the playing ones on the last night..I remember from years past..cheers Trig.

  84. Yes Russty my queries are the same Steward yeo and Duncan Not saying that they are no good just pods. It's an almighty Gawnless team and should kick you off well.Nailed all the relevant rookies (until JLT) I went off Crouch just worried about his hammies great start mate NDD

  85. paul says:

    Gee there is a lot of injuries already this year and we are weeks away.I am setting up my start up team around utilizing trades this year going strong in the midfield.

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Yep the way it is going better just to pick a team out of available players after JLT

      I see de goey is the latest to have himself a mischief.

  86. Shake_n_bake says:

    Degoey helped of at training looks like an ankle πŸ™

    • Holty01 says:

      Looked serious. Guess we will have to wait and see how bad it is

      • Shake_n_bake says:

        Put some weight on it while getting help off so here’s hoping 🀞

  87. The Ranger says:

    Hey Lek, Patch, what have you got on this weekend?
    Any chance one of you could nip down to the church on Sunday and see if Higgo wouldn't mind coming up with a 2019 Higginator?
    Bloody useful spreadsheet.

  88. Northernsoul74 says:

    Sounds like Sandilands is really struggling. Sean Darcy likely rucking for Freo early season.

  89. RealStory says:

    Community Service Announcement
    When you use an intense debate account anyone who knows your email address can post comments using your name and avatar. If you doubt me try commenting without logging in to intense debate but enter your email in the relevant field. Hey-presto there's your avatar. Also you can't kill an intense debate account. Be smart Be Safe use wordpress

    • RealStory says:

      Before the resident trolls jump on me for not using a wordpress account myself. I will start using these types of accounts when they start paying me for the information that they onsell. Until then I will remain private and not for sale

    • Russty says:

      jjjj

    • Russty_ says:

      Was just testing your theory, and it let me post using my name and using my photo, but you can see it's not my intense debate account which would make it ..an obvious hijacker.
      Why would anyone give their email address to their enemy anyway?…Just wondering why you even brought this up?

  90. ToughBretts says:

    Brisbane fan, but just took Witherden out and replaced him with Jimmy Webster.
    Averaged 103.8 prior to his injury in R13, including a 108 average in the seven games leading up to it.
    In this stretch he averaged over 25 touches per game while leading the AFL in Rebound 50s, while being one of the best kicks in the entire league.
    When he came back he was given stopping jobs due to him being such an outstanding defender, which made his scores suffer.
    However, now with Nick Hind apparently set to take that spot in the new starting back-six, Jimmy is being moved to a wing.
    I believe, as a wing, he can maintain that average of 25 touches per game, and with his efficiency he is almost a lock to ton up with that level of touches.
    Will need to see in JLT what his role looks like exactly, but I anticipate a very high floor with handy ceiling (had four games of 110+ between rounds 6-12)

    • derek says:

      great info. I rate him very high. will be watching

    • Holty01 says:

      Hi mate. I’ll simply say Very risky. When you talk about injury prone, missing games, you straight away think Fyfe, Rocky, Beams etc. webster has missed more games then all of them except Beams in the last 6 seasons. Beams has missed 48 to Webster’s 47.

      • Realist says:

        Brilliant info.Thanks Holty I just reversed that trade McGrath back in.

  91. Stacky23 says:

    Looking at Seb Ross vs Lachie Hunter, both averaged 102 last year with 10 tons each, both in the right age bracket and have both shown that they can score 140+, thoughts?

    • ToughBretts says:

      I’d lean Seb but both wreak of Fantasy players as opposed to SuperCoach. I think you’d find their ratio of uncontested:contested footy is very weak, but then again so was Andrew Gaff’s and he found a way to add to that part of his game. Seb’s role definitely gives him the more upside of fixing the contested/tackling areas

    • Realist says:

      Sebs propensity to pump out sub 80 scores 6x L/y and 2x sub-60 make him a no-go area for me as a 560k mid
      Hunter is a tease and has been for his entire SC career but at least his floor is higher than sebs

  92. Maverick_ says:

    I believe there is going to be an out and out pure midfielder this year at the doggies he is as hard as a cats head he thrives on the contest, getting in and under & winning a hard ball. McLean, Dunkley and bont i think we all expect to be thrown forward and will go missing for periods.
    and this is Libba at 300k presents great value he can and will avg 90+ Just need to pray to the SC gods to keep him on the park.

    the doggies will bounce back this year and i feel of the midpricers he is the one to have or atleast watch through JLT. Miles will have to win his own ball in a BAD side and they will be on the end of some huge losses this year which means lack of points to go around GC not sure his quiet the lock people are making him out to be.

    I hope libba can be my cognilio of 2018 who i started and paid off.

    • Hi Mav my brother is a fanatical doggy member and goes to all training and games all over aust. He backs up what you said 100%. Me not so much injuries spook me NDD

      • Maverick_ says:

        I started cogs & libba last year NDD and what a jet coniglio turned out to be for us all.
        but of course Libba went down in the first quarter, SC can be so cruel!
        but I'm backing him in again though for 2019.
        Lets hope he can get me through till the byes.

    • Realist says:

      I agree mate he's an absolute gun and been in my team since SC opened. apart from the 2 knee reco's he was pretty much injury free for most of his career. My only concern is that he gets the tagging role you'd think that a tackling machine like Tom would score heaps as a tagger but the opposite happened in 2017 when he aved 9.9 tackles p/game as a non-tagger mid/fwd and only 3.0 tackles p/game as a tagger

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Has the pace of the game and the dogs midfield, lack of midfield mins and injuries taken its toll to blunt the influence of Libba?

    • Rick Grimes says:

      I switched Miles to Libba a few days back. If he stays on the park he averages 100-105, easy. Top pick.

  93. Josh says:

    Players too watch jlt

    Ely Smith Brisbane 117,300 mid will get games this year avg around 114 and 26 possessions a game in the tac cup he gets down and dirty and loves too tackle

    Constable Geelong 123,900 mid could start round 1

    Jack Scrimshaw Hawks 149,800 def could start round 1 or get games early Clarkson is a wizard when it comes too players like this

    Tarryn Thomas Kangas 175,800 mid will get games this year good down grade option who avg 168 in the national championship he is a bull don’t be surprised if he is named round 1

    Ben McKay kangas 123,900 def has the chance the play round one with daw injurie has been training well

    Connor Rozee Port 189,300 def/fwd could see him round 1 but will play this year at some stage

    Sydney Stack Rich 102,400 mid he is just one injury away from playing will get games good player for downgrade target later in the season

    Nick Blakey Syd 166,800 fwd could get games early show a lot of Hart in training and had been taking good pack marks and bringing the ball to ground

    Darcy Cameron syd 135,700 ruck training well third in line I don’t think he will play many games better rookies around his price

    Francis Watson WC 123,900 def avg 72 in the wafl player too watch if he can break into the best 22 he’s got the skills too stay there and play on the small fwd’s

    Will Hayes Dogs 117,300mid the b&f winner for Footscray the bulldogs rate him highly

    Corey Lyons Bris 123,900 mid he avg 27 possessions a game in the neafl could play round 1 or get a game early

    Theses are just some players not many people are looking at

  94. kevwal says:

    Just checked all the Footywire stats for Jimmy Webster and Thomas Stewart. Massive parallels. Same age, Webster has twice as many games. 2018 averages very similar at 85 TS, 87-JW. High/low scores also similar with variation slightly in favour of JW. First 12rds, TS ave 92, JW ave 104. TS stayed fairly consistent last half of the season, dropping off slightly with an injury affected game and a couple of <60 games. JW had injury affected 18 then came back as a true defender role with average of 71. The word is, JW goes back to his wing/defender role with Hind coming in. If you are thinking of Tom Stewart, you should also be thinking of Jimmy Webster.

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Kev, I just can't get with a player who's had 5 crap seasons scoring wise and 1 ok one last year and especially who's missed that many games.
      Also he's in a very bad team….I see your point though, if he's on the wing he could be receiving a lot of kick-ins from Savage.
      If I was choosing from him and Stewart it'd still be Stewart, 3rd year player, showed marked improvement from his first year, will be taking kick-in duties mostly until Touhy gets back and then will share..and Stewart is also a good interceptor.
      He'd be a stepping stone unless he proved himself a premo.

  95. Sharkmove_King says:

    How quickly things change. 7-8 months ago I was cursing myself for picking Worpel as a rookie….now people are picking him as a premium!!??

    • Realist says:

      Only the dumb ones.

      • Clarko says:

        Realist, you must be misinformed or you don't check history. Check out his last half dozen games from 2018. Worpel will most likely see a lot more mid time with TMitch out for the season. Worth the punt imo.

        • Realist says:

          He averaged 72 over his last 6-games of 2018 including 2 games below 60. Are you considering that as premium output?

          • Realist says:

            72.66 actually so we could round it up to 73 but that's still not good enough for a bloke costing 395k, particularly when the hawks are looking at a wafl player as their potential new midfield boss. (I consider finals to be games of footy)

          • Clarko says:

            Once again you must be misinformed or you don't check history. In his last 6 games of 2018 he averaged 87.83. The point is he's a genuine mid priced player who has enormous upside in only his second season and has the best coach of the modern era in his ear.

            • Clarko says:

              not including finals of course..

              • Realist says:

                The finals are more relevant than games against teams that were 18th, 16th, 14th, 11th because in the finals he was under the same sort of pressure that he'll be under in 2019 without Mitchell.
                You are now informed it's a shame that you didn't check some history before you started running your ill-informed mouth off

      • Undefeated says:

        Thats like saying the dumb ones picked Oliver pre breakout. You dont know the future. Sit down and hush.

        • Realist says:

          You should say that to your mirror I reckon its the only thing that has any interest in what you have to say

        • Realist says:

          As for Oliver in 2017, I started him so did a heap of other smart people who now how to conduct unbiased research, I started Cripps in 2015 as well despite a 2014 ave of 39.
          The difference between Oliver, Cripps and Worpel is that Cripps and Oliver don't fold under genuine pressure. If the Hawks had faith in Worpel to perform under pressure they wouldn't be scouring the country to find an alternative option.

          • Derek says:

            Maybe the Hawks are looking for a Langford replacement

          • Nice person says:

            They have a spot to fill in their list so they will fill it. No reports have said he will be there go to guy. Also every report out of Hawthorne has said worp is killing it. Realist, I think you're overlooking one of supercoachs most important rules in regards to his points in finals. What was his role?? In finals it was a forward, when he played full games of midfeild he scored well.
            Jog on you pretender and go conduct some proper research
            No offence

  96. Realist says:

    Picking our initial teams would be a bit easier if sportsbet or similar were running a book on when the injury magnets will break down

  97. Beau says:

    Is having Gawn/Grundy at R1 such a must?
    I am entrigued with the idea of a nankstein combination…
    nank has improved his scores every year and another preseason will increase his tank only helping.
    And Goldy Will bounce back to be be top 2 I think.

    Gawn & Grundy can’t hold there price and avg of 120+ surely

    • prizza says:

      Max will have the big C on him most weeks again for me (barring loophole)reportedly posting career-best time trials, why to waste a trade on him, some say a trade is worth 130-150 grand, will he drop that much?. Holding out on grundy till i see how he is tracking, can understand not having both but surely must have one, gawn imo.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I tried out Goldy/Nank last night, made my def&fwd lines a lot stronger, but it didn't look right at the time, I think we have to start with one of Grundy/Gawn, if not, we have to be certain that the players we are getting on the other lines will make up the difference.

      • Beau says:

        I think this will have to be a wait and see move after JLT. If the rookies don’t surface maybe have to go nankstein and get an extra premium somewhere else

    • GloryDays94 says:

      I get why people are starting them both. But in my opinion it is a huge waste of money… you will suffer on other lines because of it. Its Gawn/Grundy and Goldy or Nank for me

  98. Undefeated says:

    TEAM REVEAL. Pretty set bar rookies. I know Rusty wanted to see my team so here it is!

    B: Laird, Simmo, Ryan, Roberton, Rookiex4
    C: Oliver, Fyfe, Kelly, Yeo, Sloane, Zorko, Rookiex5
    R: Gawn, Goldy, (Fort)
    F: Danger, Heeney, Worp, Rookiex6

    Grundy with the sore toe bothers me so 1 of the big men it is! Roberton is a great stepping stone if he isnt upto top 6 performance. Macrae and Cripps will drop, look to get them later. Worp is my contender for breakout, has all the attributes to get it done in the middle without titch.Too much value in zorko/sloane to pass up, may even be a crouch/dusty combo. Yeo is my pod, without his 27 last years tag on Danger he avg 112 i believe.

    • GloryDays94 says:

      I'll admitt I dont mind the team
      Big risk not having Cripps, MacRae or Lloyd though
      And as an Adelaide fan I would not go near Sloane with a 10 foot pole no matter how high his ceiling is, he will always get the tag etc

    • Russty_ says:

      Some good value in there for sure, I read Yeo is still building up to fitness with his Toe thing, and they're not sure if he'll be there for round 1 yet, that kind of scared me off for now.
      I'd be a bit worried about Sloane and Zork copping regular tags but if they find a way to beat their opponents you have some good cheap premos there.
      I thought you were gonna be stacking your defensive line with kick in defenders but you only have 2 as Savage kicks in for the Saints and Laird usually receives the kick ins at the Crows.
      Who were your 2 rooks in the backline?…I decided to go for the more expensive hopefully definitely playing ones in the end.

      • GloryDays94 says:

        Rozee and Quaynor were both very good today apparently

        • Russty_ says:

          Good to hear mate…think as much as I hate expensive rookies, will have to go with 2 or 3 this year.

      • Undefeated says:

        Yeo will come out then as Grundy scared me with his toe!

        Stacking my defence with kick in blokes wasnt the idea. Defenders in general score better than fwds as i showed in my post. So they dont NEED to take the kick ins per say.

        Sloane and Zorko will pay off very well or burn me. Rather go pods and seperate myself and die trying tbh.

    • Maverick_ says:

      very unique Undefeated.. definately not a cookie cutter team!
      DEF: flirted with ryan as my D3 but his scores are so inconsistant do you think he can add that to his game?
      MIDS: if olivers fit his an absolute lock imo but the shoulder injuries worries me but plenty of options below his pricetag.
      fingers crossed sloane n zorko have learnt to shake a tag if so they present solid value.
      FWD: like it i have the same structure there.

      Overrall a solid side. plenty of solid PODs.
      Can't wait to see some JLT action

      • Undefeated says:

        I expect Ryan to go 98 avg above with new kick in rule, he never played on from previous kick ins so it will rise imo. Oliver shoulder is a worry but last year the media played up a finger injury yet he owned it straight away. Sometimes looking too hard is blinding!

        As i said in Rusty post, sloane/zorko combo will be very rewarding or bust. Too much value though for their potential output which HAS been there previous years. Proven premos.

    • _Kyle says:

      Not sure why taking out yeos (non injury affected) 27 means anything.

      Its an interesting team far from the cookie cutter teams we have been seeing but being different just to be different is a bad idea if thats the idea behind this side. Think i have roberton at D5 currently.

      Solid def, like it and is similar to mine.

      Fyfe has never played a full season, kelly is always an injury concern, yeo scores better with gaff in the side, sloane will continue to get the tag and throw up spuds and your gonna be missing a lot of points with the omissions of mcrae and cripps. Surely you can spare 30k to upgrade fyfe or kelly to cripps for far better consistency. Frankly i expect cripps to improve on his output last year. Year older and a year longer in the afl starting to come into his prime now.

      Cant say much about the rucks since every man and his dog has a combination of gawn grundy or goldy. The jurys atill out on the preuss factor tho.

      Forwards are pretty cookie cutter bar the worpedo. As a hawks man im sticking clear of him personally. I think he will still play forward quite a lot where his scoring was ordinary at best last year. Wingard will likely be thrown into the middle as well as breust and several other up and comers. Even roughy will probably get the occasional gig

      • Undefeated says:

        Im not trying to be different for the sake of it. I look at the value and see sloane/zorko can outscore macrae/cripps on any given day. Macrae one good year and Cripps cant carry carlton like he did last year in SC scoring.

        Interesting about the Wop considering you're a hawks man. Stated in a few articles has the Worp with all the opportunity to be a mid bull this season. Wingard will play 16 games max, always been injury prone. Winhard/bruest will alternate fwd so worp still has his spot. Shiels may also tag when needed. JOM will probably play 4 games this year too haha. He's broken. Worp for 90+ avg…..but hes not a keeper. Mere stepping stone, i dont see any other around that price that will produce what he will. Time will tell.

  99. Jonny Sins says:

    Tom Langdon. He’s picked Tom Langdon as his top mid price defence pick to discuss. Possibly the most irrelevant player in the comp.. Just wow.

  100. Shake_n_bake says:

    Just a follow up on Roughead rucked pretty much all game against Lynch and l think nearly won all hit outs in this mornings scratch match. Did go back at times. Quaynor was a ball magnet quick used it well and did take kick ins at times

    • Russty_ says:

      Thanks shake…Interesting about Roughead, wonder if he'll be sharing the ruck duties with Grundy?
      How much of the scratch match did Quaynor play do you know?

      • Shake_n_bake says:

        Played all the scatch match hits the ball with pace and uses really well has great vision. Only players to sit out was grundy, howe and WHElliot Crisp was limited. Cox played mostly fwd and took some good grabs. I still think when Grundy comes back roughead will go back but he looked good. Reid played fwd Moore down back

  101. Joey says:

    Just Libba and Williams for me at this stage..but Will keep a close eye on Jamie Eliott, Toby Greene, and Aaron hall throughout the pre season lads

    • Russty_ says:

      Nice Joey, not too many risks…I'm gonna find a way to get Bad Toby in if he's right for round 1.
      Elliott's too much risk for me and Hall I don't rate too highly, he's been dropped in the past for a lack of defensive pressure….aka selfish.

  102. Russty_ says:

    Hey guys, Anyone who'd like to join one or both of my AFL Fantasy Draft Leagues feel free to jump in.
    I've set em both on auto trade with no restrictions on trading during the year, also in that game you can trade during the round.
    It's all a bit of fun without having to think about it all too much.
    After the initial draft, just check your teams for non playing players and adjust accordingly.
    You can trade from the pool of players available or inter-team trade if you propose a swap with another player..and it's all instant, no waiting.
    Invite Codes are …..
    SWMPZ7FH
    and
    MKA29M4W
    Go to the afl.com.au and click on fantasy …enter the draft game and then join league
    Autotrade League and Elite Feet
    They're public leagues so anyone can jump in…be quick though cause you never know how quick they'll fill up.
    For those who join, let me know if you'd rather the bye rounds on or off…cheers.

    Also started a League in the Classic game..Baked Spuds Code : Y7ZRJ5RF all welcome.

  103. Russty_ says:

    Hey Patch, Lek, Damo, Barron and friends, wouldn't mind a bit more content coming through…are you guys all on holidays or what?
    Some of the posters on here could write some good articles if you guys are a bit too much under the pump with work or whatever.
    This is the time when we need to be bombarded with subjects and options lol.
    Let's get it on lads!

    • GloryDays94 says:

      Agreed!

    • Maverick_ says:

      100% russty…
      I know they have a life outside of supercoach but it's been 8 days since there last player review.
      It's a thankless job laso they get hammered from people on social media about there podcasts being 'boring' and 'cringeworthy' no doubt It would be hard to back it up week after week copping that from keyboard warriors.
      I've had to go looking at other websites to find there posting daily some great articles, previous years i havent needed too do this.
      thankfully the threads and posts from members are very helpful and insightful.

      PS. lets get this website back on track LEK and PATCH and have a fun year πŸ™‚

    • WhyNot says:

      Why don't you re-start the one that you had last year mate? That had some good contributors and excellent troll-control

  104. Whitey says:

    Any thoughts on Tim Kelly, or do people think that he will have the second year blues after not getting traded back to WA? With Ablett going forward I would think he would be the first to get more minutes in the midfield and will see very little attention with the likes of Danger,
    Selwood and Duncan in there. Had four games under 70 points so hoping he can improve his consistency in those games to raise his average and get in to the top 8 forwards. Thoughts? Cheers.

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Whitey, I think the reason he doesn't have more ownership is cause he's a bit of an unknown quantity I guess, no one knows whether he'll improve on last year or go backwards, I'd love to pick him but don't have room as I'm going Danger, Smith, Heeney and 3 rooks.
      He's definitely a classy player.
      8% believe in him this year so far.

    • Lazza says:

      He also has to compete with Menegola who will take up more mid- field time this year..

    • The Ranger says:

      Same bye as Danger and Heeney makes him hard to pick

  105. i had him but swapped to Viney to get from LAIRD to LLOYD good pick and could be a top 6 forward

    • Russty_ says:

      Did you forget to hit reply again mate?..haha I'll guess are you talking about Kelly?

      • getting old mate Tried a grundyless team last nite. Gives me an extra prem . still tinkering.Kelly as a forward could well be a good F6 at R23 93 av 505k cheap for an F6

  106. UpBeat says:

    Pre JLT team:

    Lloyd, Hurn, Z Williams
    S Collins, Quaynor, J Clark (Wilkie, Khamis)

    Macrae, Oliver, Neale, Yeo, Crouch
    Valente, Hind, Gibbons (Bedford, Hayes, Atkins)

    Gawn, Goldy (Fort)

    Danger, Heeney, Dunkley
    Worpel, Setterfield, M Parker (McAdam, Cavarra)

    JLT will probs completely change things. I've gone 2 high priced rookies in Def coz I'm hearing good things about them. Worpel is the mid pricer I'm hoping will take the next step. Let rip fellas, all feedback welcome, cheers.

    • Ja191 says:

      i likey likey only one im iffty about is oliver with that shoulder but a part from that lock and load it til jlt

    • Maverick_ says:

      not too much to let rip on UpBeat.
      Dunkleys job role a bit up in the air but JLT to come will answer that. I just can't trust bevo.
      Olivers shoulder operations makes me nervous but he is an easy swap to a kelly, fyfe or cripps possibly if u have 20k
      I have worpel no Titch and wingard under an injury cloud already. worpel will find himself with a generous amount of time in the guts.

      Overrall looks a solid side though!

    • UpBeat says:

      Hey thanks for the feedback guys. I just swapped Oliver for Cripps and it looks better. I'll keep an eye on Dunks role and decide near round 1

  107. dontblushbaby says:

    Do we see Z.Williams & A.Witherdon as a potential top 6 Defenders or a stepping stones?

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      They are in my team as hopefully keepers.

    • Realist says:

      If I start either it will be as a stepping stone, it's then up to them to keep their place in my team

    • Sharkmove_King says:

      Top 7 is possible but I can't see them both beating Laird, Lloyd, Whitfield, Sicily & Simpson…..And even still they'll be competing with Hurn, Ryan, Crisp, Howe etc for that.

    • Russty_ says:

      I see them as stepping stones DBB….reckon Shaw will do most of the kicking in at GWS…and Witherden could be a keeper if the new rules benefit his past scoring…50-50 there I think.

  108. Stompers says:

    Hi Community, thoughts on Rockliff, seems to be going well after shoulder issue and L Parker this season?

    • Realist says:

      Geez I wish he was 60k cheaper Stompers then I'd trash miles for him. I also hear that he's tearing it up in the power midfield and memories of a rampant rockliff pumping out regular 120+ games in my SC team are relatively fresh. I still might find a way to get him but I'll only be keeping him until the byes at the most, I don't trust him for a full season. Anybody considering Worpel should spend the extra 10k

      • Stompers says:

        Thanks Realist, I've slotted him into my team for the mo, see how he goes in the JTL, with Wines out and and mostly mids position he could go large? Aslo I recon this could be the year of the Parker, not to many other battlers in the swans midfield?

  109. POD MAN says:

    Love my mids currently, team looks like bar rooks

    Lloyd, Laird, Williams, Roberton

    Kelly, Treloar, Dusty, JPK, Sloane, Zorko, Libba

    Gawn, Goldy

    Danger, Heeney, Parfitt

    • Derek says:

      I’m sure you have been told before, that Sloane and Zorko struggle when tagged. I would have just one.

      The game has gone past old JPK. He was good, but 95 – 100 is where he is now.

      The mids is where the rookies are this year and not the forwards. You might have to dump 2 or 3 of your mids and go with forwards instead.

      Why did you go Laird ahead of Lloyd?

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Hi Derek, he as both Lloyd and Laird, I'm the one without Lloyd.

        • Derek says:

          Thanks mate. Details.

          I don’t like expensive defenders but this new kick in rule has me worried.

      • Gen says:

        "The game has gone past old JPK", As a swans fan I reckon he's primed for a good year mate. We'll see though

    • Ty Vickery says:

      Looks good for a hot start, but think you’ll end up in trouble by the middle of the year.
      Can you really see Treloar, jpk, Sloane and Zorko all in the top 10 mids? Even dusty is a bit of a risk
      What about macrae, Oliver, Fyfe, Neale, Merrett, duncan, gaff, yeo?
      Don’t mind the parfitt pick though!

  110. kevwal says:

    Hi guys, have the three amigos gone on leave? Is it only the community keeping it alive? No player reviews, no comments from the team for nearly a week? Is this site dying?

    • Russty_ says:

      Dying?…nah mate same thing happened last year was a very late start but it would be nice to see a bit more regular action going on about now, I'm sure it'll happen soon.
      That being said, can't believe it's this quiet on a Saturday Afternoon…very disappointing. Normally people would slide back a few cold ones and post away….but there's not much keeping the interest.

      • skindog says:

        Family keeps me busy, get on when i can, but def need a weekly pod,and extras,, a lot of peeps on here that seem to know a lot that could help, or its gonna die, a couple of old heads id like to call upon, Pieman, General Soreness, Dools and Throtts, These 4 men were the sh$t, get m back, the 4 Wise men,,,

      • Nice person says:

        It was booming last year

  111. JohnDJ59 says:

    Hi Realist I thought I better put up my updated/alternative team. Def: Laird, Witherden, Mills, Williams, Rozee, Quaynor,( Wilkie, Hore) Mid: Cripps, Bont, Dusty, Crouch, Brayshaw, Walsh, Constable, Brewley, (Sparrow, Hind, Gibbons) Ruck: Grundy, Gawn, (Bines) Fwd: Danger, Smith, Heeney, Setterfield, Parker, Cavarra, ( Schultz, Woodcock) The on field rookies I am fairly happy with, the ones on the bench are just there till we know more about them. I have Bines as a non playing rookie on my ruck bench for the C/VC loophole, if Fort ends up being the Cats number one ruck and either Grundy or Gawn look like not working out I will consider Fort at R2 with Hoff in the fwd line. I have $57,800 left in the bank.

    • Beau says:

      Jeez that’s hard to understand John haha
      Far Too much going on I can’t understand where one position finishes and the next starts..

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Hi Beau, I have heard that before, but that's why I have Def, Mid, Ruck, Fwd, before the players names. I have tried to space the lines but it keeps coming out like that.

    • dontblushbaby says:

      Which Crouch & Brayshaw ?

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Matt Crouch and Angus Brayshaw

        • Derek says:

          The other Bradshaw could be a sneaky POD. I’ll be getting him in my draft team on the bench. Ross said his 3 main midfielders this year will be Fyfe, Mundy and Brayshaw.

          • JohnDJ59 says:

            I did like the way he went about it last year, could be an interesting M6 instead of Walsh, but just a bit too expensive for me.

            • Russty_ says:

              Hi John, Nice team update..I've heard Wilkie could struggle to break into the Saint's backs and Atkins could be ahead of Constable for a shot..depends on where they play Atkins though fwd or mid.
              I was pretty disappointed with Andrew Brayshaw last season, started at almost 200 grand and only averaged 60 from 17 games..reckon I'd choose Libba over him for a stepping stone for 20 grand less.

              • JohnDJ59 says:

                Hi Russty the bench players are just there to fill the spots at the moment, until we get a better idea of who might be starting, yes I had heard that Atkins could be ahead of Constable, at least I have a bit of cash in the bank now if I need to upgrade any of the rookies.The way it is going we should have enough to fill the mids, it's the def/fwd lines that worry me. I guess with Andrew Brayshaw, since I didn't have him my team last year, I was just looking at him as a first year player last year and not in supercoach terms.

                • Russty_ says:

                  Yeah I hear ya mate, if what Derek says is true and he's gonna be all mid this year, he could lift his game to maybe 85-90 and could be worth considering next year.

    • Derek says:

      Why have you gone Laird ahead of Lloyd?

      Are you thinking Mills will affect Lloyd?

      • skindog says:

        Lloyd has a niggle, cant bloody remember what it is, Price, Mills will play prodomenetly in the back half, Theyd be my reasons for not starting with him.

        • Russty_ says:

          Lloyd had a hip problem Skin but rejoined the main group from the rehab group on Jan 18th.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        That is what I am thinking Derek, since it was around the time that Mills injured himself last year that the scores from LLoyd spiked. Will be looking to get LLoyd and Simmo in my upgrades.

  112. Realist says:

    We cant't all read everything footy related in the preseason so places like this can provide an organic database of relevant information.
    Some people may have missed this little gem from feb13th-if you're considering paying 395k for a lad that a few consider will be stepping into TMitch's role you should read the whole article. you might get the same result for 290k LESS because like Gibbons he'll only be 102k
    Hawks Practice Game.
    The hit-out provided a perfect opportunity for young midfielders James Worpel, James Cousins and Harry Jones to push their cases – and they did – but it was a state league midfielder who stole the show.

    Former West Perth onballer Luke Meadows has emerged as a potential Hawthorn recruit as a replacement for Mitchell via the pre-season supplemental selection period.

    Meadows signed with the Hawks' VFL affiliate Box Hill in late November and did his hopes of a shock AFL call-up no harm with a standout showing, particularly in the opening half.

    The 24-year-old won a heap of the ball and used it well, with one highlight-reel moment where he spun out of trouble before his snap at goal on his opposite left boot was touched on the line.

    "He's a WA boy, so me and 'Stratts' (Ben Stratton) were pretty happy to have him play with us," O'Meara told AFL.com.au post-game.

    "But he was actually on the opposite side to what I was on for the first half, then he switched over to our side and I said to him, 'Just do whatever you did in the first half, because you dominated'.

    "I was on the bench for a couple of minutes and was just watching him and he kicked a goal and got a fair bit of the footy. He was good to watch, so we'll see what happens with that."

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Need to wait till he joins an afl team
      But then maybe big chance rd 1

    • Derek says:

      Worpal was always going to get plenty of midfield time this year, even if Mitchell was playing. I think his TOG may get a bump that will help, he has only played 9 games so the more games he plays the better he will get. He is just too expensive for what you get. Spend a bit more you get a lot more.

      A mate who watched the hawks play said that Poppy, Breust and Roughy were spending time in the guts. Poppy in particular played very well.

      Another one who the hawks will use in the guts is Impy, he was starting the guts at quite a few centre bounces at the end of last year, watch JLT.

      Obviously Burgoyne will be Silking through the guts as well.

      Clarko will have something worked out but I don’t think it will involve a $102k rookie

      • Realist says:

        I think that you're wrong Derek. Clarko will play whoever does best in the leadup to round 1 If it's a mature aged Big bodied midfielder from state leagues who dominates smaller bodied players like Jones, Cousins and worpel he doesn't give a stuff if its a 102k rookie because he coaches a real team that plays against grown men. He wont be pulling players out of position where they are experts at their role to play a role that they're unfamiliar with because for each player he slots into a new position he has to move an untried player into their position so, 1 positional change is actually 2 positional changes. Roughead has played midfield and ruck before so he could spend some time in there but Poppy and Breust not a chance

    • skindog says:

      Read this exact article the other day, Cousins is terribly priced, Jones an unknown at afl, wont see much time unless he gets a chance and stars, Meadows is interesting, looks ready to go, keep an eye on him come jlt, diamond in the rough,,,

    • Realist says:

      Perhaps the most interesting/curious thing about the article is that Hawthorn re-published it on their website but removed the paragraphs relating to Meadows

      • skindog says:

        Oh i didn't know that, whats youre take on that Realist? keepng him under wraps???

    • RealStory says:

      You guys are all missing the REAL STORY from that article. The real story that we should be paying attention to is that Hawthorns 2nd string mids (guys that have a couple of years in the AFL system) were dominated by a good average state league midfielder. After watching Worpel in the finals last year and seeing Mitchell bust his leg early this year I put a line through the hawks for 2019 and I expect them to finish 10th or lower. The Hawks 2nd stringers are poor under pressure and that will impact the whole team.
      Even if meadows gets picked up as an supplematary player he's no TMitch and O'meara just doesn't have the gumption. Worpel is the best of the 2nd stringers but he's never going to be a gun mid, Jones and cousins are really just good state league players

      • skindog says:

        Worpel never going to be a gun mid?? hows your game? O'Meara no "gumption"? hahahhaa

        • skindog says:

          Someone seems salty AF

        • Therealstories says:

          I'm sorry for all you Hawthorn fans but your dynasty is over, you'll have to find another wagon to jump on. Just because you want your good average young midfielders to be guns and stars wont make it happen no matter how many times you claim that they are. You can't turn potatoes into caviar.
          It might help you to speak to some Carlton supporters and learn from their experience in the transition from chocolates to boiled lollies

          • RealStory says:

            Apologies for the name change but I was being interfered with by admin

  113. JohnDJ59 says:

    Laird & Mills v Lloyd & B.Smith, which combo do people think would be best for the back line, I'm thinking that Mills could be a keeper, whereas B.Smith would be a stepping stone to a premo.

    • Ty vickery says:

      Would take Williams over both mills and smith. If you can’t afford him I think Roberton is a better stepping stone

    • Russty_ says:

      I reckon Lloyd and Smith John, Smith could be getting kick-in duties, kicks it long and is much cheaper than Mills who hasn't really proven himself yet, and I reckon Smith will make you more money than Mills for if you want to upgrade.

    • Derek says:

      I have just downgraded Laird to Smith and kept Lloyd. I just think smith will effect Laird more than Mills will effect Lloyd

  114. skindog says:

    I am thinking of taking some risks this year, things i dont normally do, 2 high priced rooks, 3 mid pricers, i like it, but not entirely happy, looking for value to fit who i want, this game does my head in, god damn i love it πŸ™‚

    • Russty_ says:

      Hey Skin…yeah think we'll all have to this year in some form or another, high priced rooks, Dodgy Ruckmen, speculative backmen who may or may not get the bulk of the kick-in duties.
      I'm going against my own usual rules regarding rooks this year too with 4 higher priced ones in the hope they all start and keep their spots.
      Should be a bloody fun year ay!?

      • skindog says:

        yeah mate, insane looking year already, F54k it im taking some GUT risks!!

  115. Risky roger says:

    Finally got a team that I’m somewhat happy with. Rucks are a pain this year! Tear it apart community!

    Def: laird, Whitfield, Williams, Roberton, Collins, logue (Wilkie, Burgess)

    Mid: Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Duncan, Martin, Merrett, Constance, bewley (hind, Atkins, gibbons)

    Ruck: Grundy , longer (fort)

    Forwards: danger, heeney, dunkley, setterfield, mcadam, Corbett (Parker, cavarra)

    • Risky roger says:

      Constable*

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Roger, pretty good side mate, except for that Longer bit haha..any cash left over?
      I reckon you could afford to lose one of your 6 mids to get a better ruckman than Billy Schlonghead πŸ™‚
      Not sure if McAdam will get a game, Wilkinson from North has been written about as almost a sure thing.

      • Risky roger says:

        Reasoning for longer is he will definitely make cash, just question marks on how much. I have doubts on every ruckman atm (Grundy-toe, Gawn-preuss, goldy-age, etc.). I obviously don’t expect longer to be a keeper but with Mumford’s suspension I don’t really see another option.

      • Risky roger says:

        Thanks for the feedback though mate! Did have Wilkinson at one point. Rookies will obviously depend on r1 lineups

        • Russty_ says:

          No worries Roger…as I said, I think you could easily turf one of your mids for someone like Goldy, he's only 30, has lost 5 kgs and is ready to go and durable as hell…just a thought, best to not have to worry about Rucks at the start I reckon, could always upgrade him to the other one of the big 2 later if you wanted to..and Longer might not make much cash really, he's a bit of a spud who's already been at the Saints for 5 years and not done much.

    • Derek says:

      Would you start a Longer priced player with his scoring potential on any other line?

      Gary Rohan is the same price.

      On a good day Longer might average 70. Would you pick Gary Rohan if he could average 70?

      Just because it is the ruck line, doesn’t mean you have to get a $260k ‘expensive rookie’ type player. Even more so being the ruck line as there is less to choose from.

      Pick Longer because he is way under priced and will make you cash.

      If Fort starts, I would seriously consider him at R2 if he looked good enough to hold his place and make cash. Otherwise you are better off getting keeper Rick and a cash cow rookie somewhere else

  116. Russty_ says:

    Does anyone know where Rozee's likely to play if he starts round 1, forward or back?….cheers

    • skindog says:

      Back from what ive heard Rusty, not 100% though mate

      • Russty_ says:

        Cheers skindog, be good if he got some kickins too, that'd be a bonus.

    • Holty01 says:

      I’m opposite to skindog, I’m fairly sure forward is where he’ll play. Played a practice game against Adelaide and lined up forward. Heard people were raving about his skills and his forward pressure. However, if ur picking a port rookie, my money would be on Duursma

      • Russty_ says:

        Thanks Holty, is there any room for both of them?…a lot of these new rookies this year I've heard there isn't the space to fit em in.

        • Holty01 says:

          Duursma by all accounts is leading to take Polec’s role on the wing. He is apparently lightning and has good foot skills. There has been a lot of talk about this kid in SA

          • Sharkmove_King says:

            Cheers Holty, just slotted him in for Wigg

            • skindog says:

              Damn sorry Holty, i heard different, but to be honest, dont think you can wrong with picking him, be it def or fwd,

              • Holty01 says:

                Hi mate. He is capable of playing both ends so could find himself in defence at some point. If he can play forward my Gray pick for this year will be better as more midfield time.

  117. AuroraBorealis?! says:

    Brayden Sier will be one of the best mids in the comp in 2-3 years. I reckon by 2023 he'll challenge for brownlow, he just needs Pendles and Beams to retire to get some more consistent mid time. The rest of the league should watch out

    • Russty_ says:

      HI AB, yeah I really rated him from what I saw last year…only knock on him could be I thought he was a bit slower moving cause he's a big boy, I'm sure he'll work all that out though, agree he's gonna be good.

    • Gen says:

      He's in the mould of JPK… huge rig, good vision..

    • Nice person says:

      Brownlow in 2-3 years is a bit of a stretch….

      • AuroraBorealis?! says:

        I said he'd challenge for the brownlow in 2023, which is in 4 years

        • Nice person says:

          Alright so might be relevant then? I'll put him on the watch list for 2023

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  119. Funkhouser says:

    Gone full premium early this year boys! No stuffing around, keep 30 luxury trades for injury I reckon

    Def: Witherdon, Langdon, Williams, Mcgrath, Burton, Roberton (Qyaynor, Hore)

    Mid: Zorko, Taranto, Wingard, Rockiff, Hall, Miles, Brayshaw, Liberatore (Sparrow, Atkins, gibbons)

    Ruck: Witts , Darcey (Sweet)

    Forwards: Mundy, Kelly, Parfit, Lynch, Higgins, Papley (Parker, Cottrell)

    • dontblushbaby says:

      To use the words of John McEnroe – 'You Can't Be Serious' ?

    • ToughBretts says:

      I think this would be interesting if you went into it with a 1up/1down mindset while eliminating those who you were wrong about and holding onto the guys who are actually breaking out

      • Funkhouser says:

        In the interest of science I am going to force the Mrs. to take on this team, all the while I will study the effects of utter midprice madness.

    • kevwal says:

      That back and forward lines look very interesting. Everyone of these players has the POSSIBILITY of going 95+ average. Hope your wife takes up the challenge.

    • Box says:

      Can't see too many keeper's in that team, lots of trades required to get to full premo!

  120. RoyWetard says:

    Laird and Clarke/Fort as R2/R3 (if they play) or Gawn and a rookie (Burgess/Duursma/Hore) on field?

    • Sharkmove_King says:

      It's too hard to say until we've seen the rookies play. Im open to the idea of Fort at R2 but Im also hearing great things about Duursma too

  121. Dudley says:

    This is the tragedy of the mid pricer
    When picked and taken unaware they may let fly to the most enormous fart

  122. Sharkmove_King says:

    Has Patch got a new girlfriend or something? You never hear from him anymore

  123. Shaun says:

    Any league's to join.

  124. The BYES unfortunately are a crucial part of our game.Lets face it they make up more than 10 % of the year. I always plan to use 12 trades and get to 18 prems by R12 which rarely happens,. and like to have as close to a 5 – 6 -7 non players in Rounds 11 -12 -13 as possible. This gives me playing prems of R12 -13 -R 13 -12 PLUS TRADES IN and R13 THE FULL 18 plus any trades . At present my ratio is 4— 5- – 4 This means my 5 extra prems will exclude BRIS-COLL- GEE- MELB- SYD- WCE which sits well with my present team After choosing my preferred 13 prems I made only 1 change to accomodate the byes LAIRD for HURN. The Carlton and Gold Coast mid pricers and dearer recruits such as Miles Walsh and Setterfield will play a crucial role in R 12 as they add to our 13 prems then cull them. With 13 plus any mid pricer/topend recruits in R12 ,16 in R13 and 21 in R13 I am always in a good position without conceeding a bye. NDD

    • Rick Grimes says:

      I'm embarrassed to say I haven't even looked at the byes yet. You're right tho, I think the more expensive rooks have a role to play this year. I have several when generally I avoid at all cost.

  125. kevwal says:

    My last post till after JLT, comfortable with my picks and structure. Have taken on-board several posts from revered community members. What do you learned gents think of this.
    Def; Llloyd, Simpson, Witherden, Williams, B Smith, Duursma; Answerth, Hore.
    First four keepers, B. Smith to generate 150K if average is around 88 before his bye Rd14(can't get a rookie to generate that much cash and deliver those points). Duursma will play. Answerth/Hore strong possibilities.
    Mid; Macrae, Cripps, Neale, Coniglia, Yeo, Liberatore, Bewley, Hind; Mosquito, Atkins, Gibbons.
    First five keepers, Liberatore to generate 150K if average is around 83 before his bye Rd12. All rookies expected to play, except Mosquito who will make his debut this season-saving a trade.
    Rucks; Gawn, Westhoff; Fort.
    Two keepers, Gawn will love the new ruck rules, Grundy has a shadow of turf toe and may miss some games-price will drop. Westhoff will be top 8 forward. Fort can come on for Westhoff if Fort becomes Cats #1 (using Bines on forward bench as swing man and donut option).
    Fwds; Dangerfield, D. Smith, Setterfield, McAdam, Parker, Cavarra; Wilkinson, Bines.
    Two keepers, prefer D Smith over Heeney as he is more stable and will finish in the top 6 forwards. All the on-field rookies expected to play Rd1.

    Gives me 13 keepers, 2 stepping stones and 13 playing rookies, plus Mossie and Bines. 10 of those keepers available Rd12.

    • Rick Grimes says:

      I'd be really worried only going two deep up top. If anything, defense rookies more depth this year and mids will always appear/make more cash. Plus Grundy doesn't have turf toe. #fakenews

    • KeenButClueless says:

      I like it! I would consider swapping Simpson for Heeney. I think the defender rookies are better than the forwards. If Fort starts, then you are running 2 def rookies, 2 mid, I ruck and 2 forwards. I like the balance a little more.

      • kevwal says:

        Thanks for the reply KBC. JLT will determine whether I change the balance. Still expecting all the rookie forwards to play Rd1.

    • Sharkmove_King says:

      I like it. I'm not too concerned about him going 2 deep in the forward line, most teams I've seen are 3 deep and he can go 3 deep by swinging Westhoff….

      2 non players I'm not sure about. I understand Bines role, but wouldn't you be better get a playing rookie rather than Mossie?

      I love the deep backline actually. If there is a spike in average for players kicking out, you should really benefit

      • kevwal says:

        Thanks for the reply Sharkmove. Mossie was a rookie pick who is expected to debut early in the season (as per the coach), the system was tried by a couple of community members over the last couple of years and has saved a trade and didn't cost cash-apparently. Sounds good.

        • The Ranger says:

          I've run that system a couple of times kevwal and it can certainly save you a trade whilst also giving you a loophole in the early rounds.
          After a few rounds you nearly always pick up an injury or have a player that gets dropped and you can loop them instead.
          Not saying it will always work the way you want it to but it's not a bad option if you can't find enough rookies that you want to start with.

  126. hedski says:

    Off topic sorry, shout out to Brownlow Boy, good luck in our grand final tussle in the "Basherma" BBL league today.
    Carn the Gades πŸ»πŸ‘

  127. SHU says:

    thoughts on cedric cox? could he play off half back for brisbane? only 166k, could be a good bargain imo

    • KeenButClueless says:

      I have been keeping an eye on him, but I think Bailey might be ahead of him for that role.

  128. Gord29 says:

    Hey community current line up is
    DEF Sicily, Williams, McGrath, Smith, Collins, Mckay, Burgess, Hore
    MID cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Kelly, Martin, Libba, Stocker, Bewley, Constable, Valente, Gibbons
    RUCK Grundy, Goldy, Fort
    FWD Danger, Bruest, Kennedy, Greene, Setterfield, Mosquitio, Cavarra, Cottrell

    The obvious thing people will pick up is no lloyd or liard starting in the backs, reasoning at this stage is what mills and smith with do to there scores so aiming i will be able to get them cheaper. Probably a tad heavy on mid prices to but have had no luck with cookie cutter teams in the past and hoping for some big scores from them early ie Kennedy brisbane first game. anyway would love to hear the thoughts you guys have on it thanks

    • Blueth says:

      Whats the big deal with serial burn man Brodie Smith? Is he burning up the track? Had a new role change? Gonna benefit from the kick in rules?

  129. RealStory says:

    The real story is Dan Christian
    Maybe the hawks can use him in their midfield πŸ™‚

  130. congrats to HEDSKI winner of Russty's BASHERAMA Great effort by Brownlow Boy after such a great year. well done boys To the shed Hedski sink a few

    • hedski says:

      Woo hoo what a game by the Gades.
      Got lucky Neil, coulda gone either way.

    • BrownlowBoy says:

      I somehow finished top 500! Not sure how. Great work Hedski!

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Was awesome live.

      I took the young fella who is a gades man.

      he was a bit despondent half way through but perked right up when the wickets started to fall.

      Just see the pure joy on his face and the excitement and jubilation he had at the end made it totally worth it. Made some good memories there.

    • Russty_ says:

      Well done Smack Balls!…great win by the Gades too, who'd have thought that could happen, so you won your final even with Maxwell as Captain?…did he even score you any points?

  131. TOPHAWK1 says:

    Two multiple choice questions community!

    Question 1 – If you were forced to pick one of these Essendon defenders in the back line who would you choose? And why?

    A- Andrew Mc Grath
    B- Michael Hurley
    C- Aaron Francis
    D- Cale Hooker

    Question 2- If you were forced to pick one of these North Melbourne midfielders who would you choose? And why?

    A- Ben Cunnington
    B- Jared Polec
    C- Jack Ziebell
    D- Trent Dumont

    (Rooks not included)

    • Nice person says:

      None and none

      • TOPHAWK1 says:

        You did not read the question. Respondents to both questions have to pick their preferred player. No need to respond now mate as you obviously do not like any of them.

    • Francis and Zeibell both are horrible though

    • prizza says:

      pass

    • Whitey says:

      McGrath because I think he is on an upward trend, will move more and more into the midfield. Hurley won't be able to be the spare and take as many intercept marks as he has, was playing more shut down last year.

      Probably Polec, good outside run and uses the ball well but wouldn't go anywhere near any of them to be honest.

    • Derek says:

      McGrath has been training with the midfield group all pre-season. A $384k defender playing in the midfield should be an ok pick.

      Polec is a good long kick and will be the main path forward into the attacking 50 and should get points from score involvements.

      Don’t really like either

      Why are you asking?

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Hawk, I'd say Francis just based on what he did late last year and his potential..takes a good grab too, and Polec cause he's still a decent player.I think Neil had him last year and he did ok for him, I was keen on Francis earlier but think I'm going with B.Smith now instead.

      • Good memory mate I did and he was good. Gator put me on to Zac Bailey last year This kid can really play 275k M/F but will play running back this year where the lions really need pace out of defence He has impressed coaches with his new role.(always good for s/c) Scored a last round 87 against west coast That awkward price but probably better than an expensive rookie check him out Hodgey is big on him

    • Holty01 says:

      McGrath and Cunnington.
      See McGrath the only one who has a chance to push to premo scoring.
      Cunnington because he is durable.

    • DavidC says:

      It's not really multiple choice if you then ask why is it? Just saying. Anyways I reckon Francis because of his form at the end of last year, he seems to have turned a corner. And the North question is very difficult as I don't really like any of them. Nobody has selected Dumont but he's probably at the right stage of his career for a break out. Depends if Tyson takes too many of his points.

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      If I was forced at gun point hawk my choices would be:

      McGrath and Hall.

      • The Ranger says:

        I'd need evidence the gun was loaded but yeah, McGrath and Hall for me too.

    • GreendaleFC says:

      Don't really like any of them but McGrath and Dumont. Francis looks like a great player in the making but I didn't feel like he was getting the points he deserved last season. McGrath could improve his scores noticeably by playing more in the midfield. I say Dumont because none of those North players are capable of being keepers, so you may as well pick one who has actually been increasing his scores.

  132. Holty01 says:

    Hi community. Many are talking about this new kick in rule will benefit scoring in the backline. Which I tend to agree, but no one is really discussing the new rules that should benefit the forwards. Forwards will have far more opportunities now as there will likely be more 1 on 1 but I think the biggest will be the hands in the back to protect the drop zone for the key forwards. So, with only 3300 points allowed each game and the possibility of rucks, backs and forwards all potentially benefitting with the new rules, where do the points go? I honestly don’t think anyone is really going to benefit as much as we think they are. I might be proven wrong (sort of hoping I am as I’m thinking of starting Ryan Williams and Lloyd) but last time I checked, there is still only 3300 points given a game and everyone can’t benefit from it.

    • Ja191 says:

      It may mean that of those 3300 points that are distrubted to each position/player, a higher proportion of it will be going to let’s say defenders and less to midfielders – will still make up 3300 points but may see it distributed differently

    • Undefeated says:

      It means the good players will get more points and the bad players will score even less than before.

    • The Ranger says:

      It's a good topic Holty, and yeah the big KPF's must be licking their lips.
      I'm not starting with any but it wouldn't surprise me if I end up with a couple, Buddy in particular will love that new rule.
      You've only mentioned backs, fwds and rucks but I think you can make an argument that all of the lines will be affected in some way so it may well just even itself out.

      • derek says:

        i read an interview with Sicily after an interclub game the hawks had recently, his comments were there was room everywhere and the ball was coming out of the middle much faster.

        i think teams will work it out and have the wingers start in a very defensive part of the ground and get back to defense quickly.

    • Russty_ says:

      Ho Holty, by Derek's post about what Sicily said I think there could potentially be less points for midfielders if the ball's coming out of there a lot quicker, due to less stoppages, less hard ball gets for inside mids, less handballs out, handballs received, hitouts, it could even out the points somewhat over all 3 lines more.

  133. joeyyyyy says:

    BACK: Sicily Ryan Witherden Williams collins wilkie (burgess hore)

    MIDS: Cripps Fyfe Neale dusty Rockliff Libba Stocker Bewley (valente hind Gibbons)

    RUCK: Gawn Goldy (Fort)

    FWD: Danger Heeney Smith Rozee Setterfield Corbett (parker cavarra)

    I have a few midpricers in witherden & williams who i think present great value and can finish top 6-8 defenders.
    Rockliff training the house down in preseason wines out will help him we know his SC pedigree. Libba similar to rocky an absolute hard nut i think these two have some serious coin to make without bleeding points may avg 90+ till byes or a fallen premo comes along.

    i have 25k left.

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Joey, I like your squad mate, barring a few…Rocky and Libba. I just don't trust either of them to deliver consistent scores..or not get injured.
      Sicily will have a good year I think..getting kickins as well, hopefully he won't do anything floggy.
      If that was my mid…I'd swap Libba for Walsh and Rocky for a Taranto/ Wingard priced player possibly Dees' Brayshaw..cheers mate.

  134. AuroraBorealis?! says:

    Thoughts on McGrath v B.Smith? I personally think McGrath is a better option as a potential breakout

    • Russty_ says:

      Hey mate, depends on why you're picking them I guess, McGrath as a breakout option means he'd be a keeper, and I'm picking Smith as a decent point maker and money maker for a relatively quick upgrade to a premo such as Lloyd or Sicily.

      • AuroraBorealis?! says:

        That makes a lot of sense russty, cheers

        • Russty_ says:

          No worries mate, that would probably include also cashing in a fattened rookie with Smith to be able to get either of those 2.

  135. NoLanguage96 says:

    G'day Community πŸ™‚

    Second draft, keen to get your thoughts!

    B – Laird, Sicily, Williams, Roberton, McKay, Answerth (Wigg, Frederick)
    M – Cripps, Neale, Dusty, Crouch, Merrett, Hall, Stocker, Gibbons (Scott, West, Collier Dawkins)
    R – Grundy, Goldy (Fort)
    F – Danger, TMac, Gray, Setterfield, Blakey, Cavarra (Parker, Tohill)

    Obviously rooks very much subject to change and I'm still torn as to whether or not to go Miles instead of Hall. Depth in the Roos midfield has me bullish on Hall though.

    Also gone with TMac as a POD up forward with some silver service from the Melbourne mids he should have it on a string.

    Thanks in advance legends πŸ™‚

    • dontblushbaby says:

      I haven't seen rooks McKay or Answerth in teams in defence ? Do you know them ? Also not sure about TMac with Heeney & Smith a similar price, but then again they are in most teams., if he starts Round 1 my POD in the FWDs will be Tom J LYNCH from the Richmond FC @ 426K

      • NoLanguage96 says:

        McKay should get games down back for North but again I'll be watching JLT there. I love Heeney but for the POD factor, his big ceiling and the delivery he'll get I'm gonna back TMac in at this stage. Don't mind the Lynch pick for similar reasons though!

        • DavidC says:

          McKay is almost a lock for NM but he is KP and likely to score like a spud. I avoid those players as they don't make any cash and hence sit on your bench all season. You just waste a trade if you want to move them on.

          • NoLanguage96 says:

            A 123k rookie thats guaranteed game time is very low risk. Even if they make $150-200k to use on an upgrade somewhere else then that's a win in my book. Buy low sell high(er)!

      • Russty_ says:

        I'll be having a close look at Lynch at the Tigers when he plays his first 2 games, not certain for round 1 though, he's still recovering from his surgery and hasn't joined the main training group yet.
        He could be a Colossus this year.

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi NL, T-Mac!…haven't seen him in too many teams but I like it, Weiderman's trying for that extra fwd job too apparently, but T-Mac will be the main man if fwd.
      Wigg's injured himself so forget him, Answerth is still recovering from Glandular Fever, not sure how long that takes.
      Don't mind the Hall pick although I wouldn't pick him..but he could be good who knows?

      • NoLanguage96 says:

        Thanks Russty, yeah I didn't take much notice of the backline rookies but cheers for the heads-up with those boys. As far as TMac goes can't see anyone stealing too many snags off him particularly with Hogan gone!

        Hall is a risk but if he stays fit he should really burn at North. If he can average 95 and I can turn him into a premo for the byes happy days πŸ™‚

      • Tmac has thatfoot niggle though Russty

    • Holty01 says:

      Love the side and love the Tmac selection. With those new rules, I can see him increasing his average.

  136. Nice person says:

    Why is treloar only in 4% of teams

    • dontblushbaby says:

      His disposal is poor

    • AuroraBorealis?! says:

      I'd say most people are steering clear of the collingwood mids because of the amount of uncertainty re point scoring, especially now that Beams has come in. I'll be keeping a close eye on him and looking at a possible upgrade target a bit down the track

    • Russty_ says:

      Although his disposal efficiency is poor, he still has a history of scoring well…so he's definitely a pod, unless I just ruined that for you?…lol
      He's one of the most reliable mids from the last 5 years actually.
      Maybe the Beams Pendlebury, Adams, Sier, Sidebottom, Treloar midfield is scaring peeps off. Too many points shared around?

    • Maverick_ says:

      because alot of people aren't sure how the scoring will be shared around with beams in the middle now.
      I think beams is also fantastic value though if he can stay fit i'll be watching both very closely through JLT.

  137. Derek says:

    Regarding the kick in rules. Will Harrow do most of the kick ins now May has left?

    Can he average 10 pts better and become a top 10 defender?

  138. Mutch says:

    Question

    If I want to see my previous years history do I have to pick a team of all 30 players and save it before the history option is available???

    • Holty01 says:

      I think so Mutch.

    • Russty_ says:

      In SC, I don't think you can see your history Mutch, in the other one you can, you'd need to start keeping your own records for future reference.

      • Nice person says:

        You can see history of points scored, rank and team value. Just not players

        • Russty_ says:

          It'd be good to be able to look back on your team and players / scores for that week/ year…scores and value etc don't mean much when you can't even remember who your players were.

  139. Nice person says:

    Grundy back, killing it in training. His toe is fine and he is back in my team.
    GRAWNDY

  140. Russty_ says:

    If anyone has any insider info on how your club's rookies are traveling pertaining to how likely they are to start round 1, how about contacting admin regarding submitting a short article on the subject, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.

    • gator59 says:

      Nothing to report on the Saints front Russty… They're all crap

      • Russty_ says:

        Hey Gator, reckon Hind might be alright this year mate…maybe even Gresham, that being said I'm looking forward to barracking for my second favourite team this year….go Dees…lol

        • gator59 says:

          Cheers Russty… The Gresh and Steele maybe the saints best this year… But I'm very interested in the mature age rookies they drafted

          I might barrack for my second side too that last won a flag in 1964… Wow and '66

          • prizza says:

            They have a lot to offer on occasions i don't think anyone would disagree on that.

            • Russty_ says:

              I think the occasions when he's not abusing people, making racial slurs or posts to do with beastiality, or just generally abusing or belittling people…are rare, so no Prizza, I don't really think he has a lot to offer, that being said, he's here again, and admin don't seem to be able to keep him out, and he is here under probably 6 to 10 different names.
              He's an infiltrator…if he could curb his personality from the inevitable rage he gets consumed by, he could contribute some good things, but I think he feels a need to punish people for not being as smart as he thinks he is.
              He briefly tries to gain trust from the general community by trying to act normally and then unleashes on the inferior masses, the sheep who are far dumber than he is lol.

              • Russty I have been reading threads from 2 other sites and they have no problems but the interesting bit is I see people who were here now gone. This is a much better site and easier to post. Pity Lek cant do something to keep control

                • Russty_ says:

                  Hey mate, yeah it's a huge shame, but what can ya do ay? I guess he'd have to be here first.

          • Russty_ says:

            I'm sure you know they're not too far away…If they can curb their nasty instincts away, they're actually not too bad…except for His/their insane theories on what constitutes an average lol

          • Gator yes the dees offer so much now

    • dontblushbaby says:

      Riley Collier – DAWKINS ( RCD ) was the Tigers 1st pick is impressing everyone and is penciled in to play in the JLT game at Shepparton on 3/3, but very hard to see him playing Round 1 though , however reports that Sean GRIGG is struggling big time, can't run ect

  141. prizza says:

    Hey Rusty, quaynor from the pies is really buzzing the place, i have a nephew on the list and the feel is his run and carry is almost like having a fit young harry Obrien back on the list, wasn't in my plans until a barbeque on Sunday, but i have slotted him in.

    • gator59 says:

      Hi Prizza.. I've had Quaynor in my backline since SC opened and he's there to stay until he fattens nicely

      • Hey Gat what do you think of zac bailey this year/ 275k and role change to running back scored 87 in that role round 23 last year vs W C E

        • gator59 says:

          I think all the Brissy boys will be up and about this year.. They certainly won't be push overs like previous seasons… As for Bailey he's a great prospect for them and play some decent footy this year but I think next year will be his year to look at him

    • Russty_ says:

      Thanks Prizza, great to hear mate…think he's gonna be a good one this year.

  142. Vincent says:

    Williams, Roberton and miles. Anyone think these are traps?

    • gator59 says:

      Williams is the safer bet…. Roberton and Miles ..don't think they will cause to many headaches for SC… Only my opinion though …

  143. Derek says:

    I love a risky R2

    What about English at R2 and Sweet at R3

    I read he he has bulked up from 89kg to 100kg. Should have a decent midfield around him and his only competition for the #1 is Sweet who you can have at R3

    • The Ranger says:

      Bloody hell, is R2 your favourite pick Derek?
      You do come up with some unusual ruck options.
      What did you start with in the 76th year?

      I like English a lot but I think he'll need another year at least before he's SC relevant.

    • Nice person says:

      I'll take gawn and lock in two top 10 overall point scorers in my team

  144. Rozee has firmed to debut after starring in a recent intra match Butters and Duursma also played well. Could Rozee be the 2019 version of JUDD in 2001 and pip Walsh for the best recruit My money says yes In fact i went Rozee Thomas Walsh.

    • Derek says:

      The Def/Fwd DPP is very nice. Especially if Burgess gets a game.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I have Rozee, Quaynor, Walsh, Setterfield as my high priced rookies, so that's good to know, now we just need some news about Setterfield.

      • I too have the same four plus Logue and Collins, the trade off being M 5 which nows sits at Zac Bailey in placeof Viney, a risk but so is Viney. Bailey's new running defensive role really appeals to 3 people -Himself his coaches and me .Watch out for a breakout year John

        • JohnDJ59 says:

          Hi Neil, I have Angus Brayshaw at M5 after I took out Clarry, I was worried about how his shoulders would go and I still wanted a Dees presence in my mids.

          • yes me as well but after much thought, I chose VINEY 449k 10 games 2018 7 tons a 92 and 2 stinkers one in the Prelim when all had bad days.His foot problems are no worse than Tmac and he is captaiin right in the coalface with Gawn tapping it down his throat A must mate

      • skindog says:

        Setterfield worries me, keep a massive eye out over jlt??

    • Ja191 says:

      He’s set to play a forward role this year though Neil, as per port Adelaide twitter saying he’s had brad ebert as his mentor for the forward line. I have him in my team but after learning that not so confident on him

      • Beezneez says:

        Rozee forward in Port's recent trial. Think from memory he played some forward for Nth Adelaide in finals last year.

    • Beezneez says:

      Rozee was good and is likely to debut. However,
      I Lukosius and Rankine were picked at 2&3 for a reason – they are both guns but I prefer lower priced rookies. Having said that I'm trying to squeeze in Quynor and Rozee for def/fwd swing – provided they are named.

      • skindog says:

        Quaynor is def only, wont swing,,,

        • Beezneez says:

          Thanks Skindog obviously I misread it. DPP's are always useful. Will look elsewhere after JLT but not a lot jumping at me in my current lineup.

  145. JohnDJ59 says:

    Are people mostly going with the Grundy and Gawn/Goldy combo in the ruck, or are you thinking about Nank/Clark/Fort at R2

    • Shake_n_bake says:

      Hey John did you still have a spot in your league? im now currently in 9. If not all good. Buy the way how it stands in my side at the moment is Grundy & Goldy.

    • Maverick_ says:

      At this stage it’s grundy & Goldy. But that is far from set..
      I’ll monitor the 3 G’s through JLT I’m open to starting mummy if fort looks to secure the number 1 role at Geelong and covers mummy’s rounds 1&2. I think Mumford can go 90+ comfortably GWS didn’t bring him back if he wasn’t in good knick.

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        It does seem most people are going with the three G's as their R1&R2, I have Grundy/Gawn at the moment, but have to have three mid priced players in the team to accommodate them, never been keen on Goldy, thinking about Nank for R2, so one of my mid pricers can turn into a premo. PS there is still a spot left in the Holy Grail league, if interested let me know your team name.

    • skindog says:

      Mine keeps Changing, atm the two big guns, but i feel somethings amiss, gut feel, and id like to strengthen both def and fwd, its a tough call,

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Mine has been Grundy/Gawn from the start, but every now and then I look at what my team might be like without Max and the back line looks a hell of a lot better.

        • I have had them also but i worry about a short time injury to either or a rest in Max's case so I have replaced Dunkley with Westhoff. Easy to use 1 trade Forte to Bines. and keep a live cash cow

        • Lazza says:

          You guys see the article in the H&S today? Dees going with a 2 Ruck combo with Gawn spending more time fwd… time for a rethink ..

    • The Ranger says:

      Hag Grundy/Goldy locked in since my first draft.
      Always favoured a set and forget ruck and I think Goldy will have a good year.

    • BillyGoatGruff says:

      I had Fort at R3 from the opening until the practise game against the roos where he didn't get a mention and Stanley did the rucking so I changed him to the sweet aggressor

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        That's interesting news Billy, I haven't got Fort in my team, but I was considering him, currently have Grundy/Gawn/Bines

  146. UpBeat says:

    Quite a few spots left in this league, only SC's who fight till the end. code 165630

  147. Maverick_ says:

    MILLS INFLUENCE ON LLOYD:
    with mills playing: 94.8 ppg.
    without mills playing: 121.9 ppg.

    I won't be paying 600k for a defender that before last year didnt average over 87 and has shown he struggles to score with a healthy mills. not filling me with much confidence at all i'll look for value elsewhere .

    PASS

    • The Ranger says:

      It's a good stat eh Mav?
      I think teams will be putting more work into Lloyd this year too.

    • Nice person says:

      Thanks mav, lifesaver

    • UpBeat says:

      Solid info Mav well done keep it coming

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I'd looked at that as well Maverick, Lloyd pretty well spiked in his scoring around the time Mills injured himself last year.

    • RoyWetard says:

      You left out Round 9 where Mills played 94 minutes (93 in Round 8) which brings it up to 103.4.

      • Brn says:

        Mills set to move almost exclusively mid. Lloyd is boss back there now. Wouldn't be too worried – still more stable than Sicily and laird can't improve imo

        • skindog says:

          Not what Horse is saying! he said he'll play more in def, and Papley will get more mid time,

    • Whitey says:

      Vey interesting, the JLT can't come soon enough to try to answer a few of these questions

      • Brn says:

        Mills been training with the midfield group all year. Forget where i read it sorry

  148. AuroraBorealis?! says:

    If you had to pick one of:
    Duursma, Collins, Quaynor or Logue as D4/5, who would you choose?

    Leaning towards Quaynor or Collins at this point.

    • DavidC says:

      I can't really separate the first 3 and have them all. Round 1 selection might make the choice for you as none are a sure thing to be named. Logue has the best JS but would be last on my list.

      • AuroraBorealis?! says:

        And even then, Logue's JS is extremely volatile considering he's coached by Lyon

    • Rick Grimes says:

      Collins will start. Lock him in for a 75-80 ave.

    • Collins for me but I have all four

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Quaynor then Duursma.

    • Lazza says:

      Collins first.. I’ve just swapped Duursma out for Quaynor.. but that was only because there has been more positive chatter about Quaynor over the past 2 weeks.. looking fwd to seeing Duursma in the JLT..

  149. MattyB_76 says:

    Guys, this leads me to a question I've been thinking about for a while, if you will indulge something just on-topic. Are there any categories other than Premium, Mid Price, and Rookie?

    • Ja191 says:

      Ultra/uber premo (upper priced promos) plus you have your Spuds, traps, burnmans, Carlton fc and tyrone vickerys to name a few – but nah haha those are the general ones

      • wouldn't 'spuds traps and burnmen' just fall under Saints players

        • Ja191 says:

          Hahahaha Neil they’re more a cross breed of Gold Coast, Carlton and saints players for me

        • Russty_ says:

          Haha, probably add Shit kickers to that list Neil, in both senses of the word.
          To Matty I'd say stepping stone is also a category…a midpricer you fully intend to upgrade who is not a keeper.

          • MattyB_76 says:

            Rusty, isn't anyone you don't intend to keep a stepping stone, though? Especially rookies.

            But I like the concept of identifying it, and admitting it when your MPR is playing 30-40 points over their expected output. Be harsh and cut them when you need to before they lose value.

            • Russty_ says:

              Hi Matty, Rookies in my opinion are cash cows, you don't expect them to score well but still appreciate in value, a stepping stone for me is a midpricer who can score well and still make money, allowing you to step up to a proper premo..and like you said, you will have to cull them at their peak to get that premo you want.

    • Derek says:

      I would add ‘fallen premium’ as a separate category. Still a mid-price, but a category by their own.

      There isn’t many this year. Kruzer, Rance, Hanaberry, Rocky, Dahlhaus, JJK?

      I’ve always preferred the fallen premium midpricers

      • MattyB_76 says:

        Yep, fallen premo/fallen angel is a good one. Even better is a Fallen Expected Top 6/8. πŸ™‚

        And how do you categorise "premium mid-pricers (PMP)" if Premo is $500k+, is a PMP $430-$500k, at the start of the season, who drops? (or was this just a gag that went over my head?)

        • Ryan falls into that catagorie at 489k though many rate 450k the start of def prems. for me three catagories rooks up to 250 midpricers to 500 then prems I have Bailey at 275k and he i s a m/p also Ryan at 489k is a m/p easier for us all

          • Derek says:

            There have been a few good one over years, mainly because of position change. Adams was defender one year, so was Sam Mitchell at about $460k

            I can’t see any decent fallen premiums this year.

  150. Bdog says:

    10 team superleague! Only the best! Top 1k players!
    942871

  151. BillyGoatGruff says:

    The rucks are really doing my head in this year. I can't see the rule changes delivering any more points to them but there is the chance that it will take points away due to teams playing a 2nd ruck fwd although Grundy did well with cox in the team so might not effect him. I'm currently planning to bring in Mummy at round 5 and I've had Lobb with Longer, Grundy with Longer as a starting point and now I'm considering 2 rookies and going 5 premo deep in the backline to catch up the points by capitalising on kick-in rule changes.
    May as well just leave it alone until jlt. I'd hate to pay 700k for Grundy and watch him drop 150k in 6-weeks

    • Nice person says:

      Collingwood played a ton of 6-6-6 last year anyway. Grundy will still dominate

    • Derek says:

      What I have read, and it is early days, the forwards and defenders must start in the arc and it is taking an extra few seconds for them to get to the middle. This is giving the midfielders more time to get and clear the ball. A dominate ruckman will get the ball forward, picking up points for score involvements. Teams can’t afford to have a back up ruck that can’t compete, they are just handing the ball back to their opponent.

      Mobile rucks will also have more space to win their own clearances

      Forwards have also been commenting on the open spaces in the forward line, plenty of one on ones. You would back a big bloke every day

  152. Russty_ says:

    Did anyone see this in yesterday's Herald Sun?..this article entitled…

    Max Gawn set to play more forward as Melbourne plans to unleash twin rucks
    JAY CLARK, Herald Sun
    February 20, 2019 3:48pm
    Subscriber only

    Melbourne wants to swing superstar ruckman Max Gawn into attack for larger periods of games this season after picking up ex-North Melbourne big man Braydon Preuss.

    The Demons will unleash the new ruck pairing for the first time tomorrow when Simon Goodwin’s men lock horns with Collingwood in a practice match at the Holden Centre.

    Gawn, 27, is the most dominant ruckman in the league, but will spend more time deep forward this season when Preuss, 23, is picked to swap into the ruck.

    I'm going with Grundy Goldy anyway, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with Maxy's scores.

    • was always on the cards Russty but will it work Pruess still wins the Liston for me

    • Derek says:

      He’s just guessing like the rest of us

    • are you near the fires in donnybrook Russty all ok?

      • Russty_ says:

        Hey mate, I'm about an hour away from there, could still smell it the other day, lots of natural bushland out that way, plenty of fuel for a raging fire.
        Thankfully no deaths but a few homes have been lost..fingers crossed the 200 fire fighters can get it under control today.

    • Blueth says:

      Lets just let the preseason mist lift for a second here.
      Preuss was mediocre in the VFL all year last year and now all of a sudden he's first ruck for a predicted top 4 side.
      The guy is a work in progress and the Demons will want Gawn around the ball as much as possible.
      Weidemann/McDonald will work nicely.

  153. Brn says:

    A) Gawn, Walsh, and cheap fwd rookie
    OR
    B) Goldstein, cheap mid rookie, Greene

    ?

    Leaning towards A because I have faith Walsh will score 80+.

    Thoughts?

    • PJ8 says:

      Don't really like Walsh or Greene TBH.

      • Brn says:

        I think he will return to a 90ish average, which could almost make him a top 10 scorer in fwd. So i guess its a hypothetical question. He is set to play 2nd JLT so no issue with injuries

  154. Adam says:

    Take No. 86
    Laird Ryan Witherden Williams
    4 Rookies
    Cripps Fyfe Coniglio M Crouch Shuey
    6 Rookies
    Martin Goldy
    1 Rookie
    Danger Heeney Mundy Greene
    4 Rookies
    Thoughts guys only pos I’m 2nd guessing is Crouch or Someone around that
    Thanks in advance

  155. Maverick_ says:

    Today in the herald sun Longmire has come out and said that now having thurlow & O’Riordan Down back will allow mills to be released into the midfield more…

    Just how much is “a bit more” though horse??
    Will be watching closely through JLT

  156. Shake_n_bake says:

    Longer down with a hamstring likely to miss rd 1

  157. BillyGoatResearch says:

    After doing some maths I discovered that claims of an extra couple of seconds for mids to clear the ball under the new rules might be a bit exaggerated.
    Ground lengths range from 155metres to 175metres
    Shortest grounds are SCG-155m, Gabba156m, Metricon158m
    Longest are UTAS,TIO both 175metres
    Marvel and Blundstone 160m, MCG 161,
    OPTUS-Perth 165m
    Adelaide 167m
    Centre square is 50metres
    The average AFL player sprint speed is 32km/h with many above 34.5km/h
    At SCG players have an extra 2.5metres to cover =0.32 seconds
    At MCG players have an extra 5.5metres to cover = 0.62 seconds
    This is a LOT less than a couple of seconds and not the sort of extra time that would allow a player to stop and have a look around for options.
    I'm aware that a player doesn't instantly hit top speed but players coming off the edge of the square last year also didn't instantly hit top speed. This year some will probably begin their run from x-metres inside the arc and time it to leave the arc at pace when the ball is bounced in which case the difference may well be zero.

  158. Maverick_ says:

    Starting to warm to JRiewoldt as my F3. With lynch playing full forward jack will be CHF roaming through the middle more . I just feel he can take his game to the next level.. more opportunity for possessions marks possibly tackles and score involvements hopefully bringing in some consistency to his scores & game..

    Anyone else thinking along the same lines?

    • BlueBaggerJosh says:

      Could be the year of KPF's. I see Darling and Riewoldt up there in terms of average by the end of the year.

      • The Ranger says:

        It could well be a good year for KPF's but I'll be starting with three DPP mid/fwd premos and waiting to see what affect these new rules have.

  159. kinglear009 says:

    Wanted to push the boundaries of Premium numbers in one squad and like Apollo 13 powering a space shuttle under 20 amps, one combo finally slipped under the salary cap:

    DEF: Sicily, Whitfield, Ryan, Williams
    MID: Cripps, Kelly, Martin, Merrett, Steele, Miles
    RUCK: Grundy, Goldstein
    FWD: Danger, Heeney, Mundy

    (The rest are basement price rookies 100-120k which is austere – though they are proven to make more cash in the long run anyway)

    Does this go too far? Just far enough? Love to hear the community’s thoughts.

    • UpBeat says:

      Your combo looks good except two picks, Mundy and Goldy are in dinosaur territory and might struggle with the new format. Although IDanger is no spring chicken he's a freak so leave him there. Gokd luck

    • ryan williams miles doubtful prems great effort though

    • The Ranger says:

      I can go with most of it 009 but Steele and Miles as premos?
      You know King Lear was mad eh?

    • Kinglear009 says:

      Yeah, minced the language a bit – I guess by 'premo' I meant 'not a rookie' – one midpricer inserts itself into each line. Finding 15 SC relevant 'non-rookies' in one team isn't something I've seen in many other teams

  160. Nice person says:

    Taylor Adams anyone?
    Had a really consistent end to last year and word out of Collingwood is that he will be a full time mid and is killing pre season. 25 this year could go uber premo.
    At 520k and 2% ownership it's tempting

    • Ja191 says:

      if beams wasnt there i'd pick him, will be interesting to see how collingwood's midfield points are shared – i do like him a lot tho

      • Gen says:

        For mine Collingwood just have too many midfield stars that will take the points off each other thus disallowing consistent tons from most of them

        • Nice person says:

          Do you not rememeber the Collingwood days where pendels Swan and beams all were top 10 guys?

    • Lazza says:

      Considering..

    • Shaun says:

      Shhh. He was going under the radar.

  161. Nice person says:

    Swingman alert!!!!!!!!!!
    Sicily will play both fwd and defence this year
    PASS

  162. Russty_ says:

    To Walsh or not to Walsh?…apparently he starred in the Blues Hawks practice match today getting heaps of the pill and used it well.
    How many are avoiding due to his price?
    I think after the JLT he'll be in everyone's teams.

    • Maverick_ says:

      at the moment he is a pass for me russty i don't like touching those expensive rookies in past years they never score the points you need to make the $$ a 117-123k will for you. Last year i was burnt by LDU and brayshaw.
      atm the choice is libba or walsh at M6 and i like libba by quiet a bit.
      Happy for walsh to twist my arm through JLT though!

      • Maverick_ says:

        Have been on the afl site and read the write up in full.. welcome Walsh! Sorry libba

    • A must now Russty and that will impact on M5 big time Libba and Miles now in the picture but for mine it's Bailey

      • Yeahnah says:

        Neil can I ask why you're so keen on Bailey? Do you really think he is going to score more than a 117k rookie?

        • Yeahnah..good friend of mine here used that tag hope you are well Trev I like Bailey.s new role and the kid can play 275 k is that bad price that really means he must score better than your high priced rookie like Walsh and must have better JS also. It's risky but i think he ticks off both.You could find 25 k and go Libba ,a true fallen prem or go for that breakout kid like oliver 2 years back I will take my chances and back ZAC BAILEY in NDD

          • TrevorHussien says:

            No, that's me Neil but well done to whoever it is, there's a deep intellectual humour in that handle.
            I tend not to comment here because my opinions are usually based on statistical research, rationale, 40+ years of real game experience and insider info from mates who played at VFL/AFL level.
            Very often those opinions are in conflict with the positions of people who comment on players from the team that they support or a 'gut feeling'. As a consequence negative sub-comments are generated. i.e. Some of the community has become fragile and lashout at a different perspective rather than absorb it. I can't be bothered with that sort of childish behaviour

            • good to hear from you hope you are keeping well.Your expert views are sadly missed amongst a lot of dribble.Are the Scary Faries going around. Are you still painting? Good luck mate

          • Trev says:

            Nothing to see here I'm just checking if the expired email address still generates an avatar.
            I got a new .243 to encourage the foxes into the afterlife from 200 yards so most nights are spent outside rather than researching SC but a couple of FWD options not getting much airtime, Darling for obvious reasons and Zac Fisher who's now looking more like a man than a boy. I'd like to see another 5kg on Zac but he's in the zone for a breakout if he can stay un-injured. Check his pre-afl record and the players that he dominated and his early 2018 form. If the cards fall for him he could be a nice early POD. Horrible price though

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      I've had Walsh in my team most of the time so far, he will be staying there until there is a reason for him not to be.

    • Russty_ says:

      Cheers guys, yeah I think I'm liking him more than Miles at the moment, saves some serious biccies too.

    • Holty01 says:

      Not currently in my side but if Greene is available rd1, I might need to downgrade a premo mid to Walsh to allow Greene to slot in

    • BillyGoat says:

      Yep I'll be starting him, that 3 against 1 contest in the 3rd quarter was amazing the kid has a footy brain and the physical ability to back it up. I'm with you and dropped Miles for him coz they'll probably score about the same.
      SPS is smoother, better skilled and a whole lot faster than silk was at a similar age seriously having a look at him too, with Cripps and a couple of others coming back in the team he could be a breakout contender

    • AuroraBorealis?! says:

      Currently in my side at m6 Russty

    • TOPHAWK1 says:

      After that scratch match against Hawthorn, Sam Walsh is now very hard to leave out. I normally avoid expensive rookies and dodged a bullet with LDU last season. But this kid is different. He is a little beast!! I think Anthony Miles will turn into Sam Walsh now. Save some nice coin and hopefully get an output from him which is close to what Miles can offer. The fact that Miles plays for the Gold Coast means his scores are likely to be OK but muted because Gold Coast are going to get pumped week in week out. Carlton will struggle a bit also, but not like Gold Coast this year. Unless Walsh gets injured during the JLT, its welcome to the Tophawks team buddy!!

      • derek says:

        the hawks went with a fairly strong team, and the Blues didn't have Cripps playing. Walsh stood out. Ceglar in an interview said he was very impressed how hard he went at the ball. He is now in the bunnies team

    • The Ranger says:

      Just put him in at M7 with Libba at M6.
      Not sure yet…need to see him play.

    • Sharkmove_King says:

      Very good point Russty and I see some have finally come to their senses now and are picking him….
      Oh, I almost forgot…I have some advice for those who refuse to pick 200k rookies: Be afraid, be very afraid!!!

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Might change to 8.

      πŸ”’

    • YourMom says:

      At the moment he's the only midfield rook that's guaranteed a start in round 1 (barring injury)

      • Lazza says:

        Not in my team yet.. how does the saying go .. ‘one swallow does not a summer make’ … especially in friendlies… and as you point out YM .. it will depend how many rookies play R1… there maybe no option .. I won’t be selecting Walsh at the cost of be able to lock in a premo.

      • Lazza says:

        Raises an interesting scenario for our R1 starting teams … what if the rookies we are banking on don’t appear … do we draw the lucky dip and keep structure or shift to a radical mid-price strategy.. could be a major gap in scoring .mbetween the two.

  163. Houdini Stare says:

    2018 Defenders kick in after a score. space. switch. mark. kick. switch. mark. kick. points.
    2019 Defenders kick in after a score.

    • KeenButClueless says:

      Starting to come to a similar view. Might be that defenders may need to defend more, cutting down their use as a springboard forward. The new kick in rules will help, but may only claw back lost points.
      Have also seen a few articles on who will benefit from the new rules. Seems like ruckmen, explosive midfielders, even forwards will benefit from the faster entry and more one on one contests. As has been previously pointed out on this site, there are still only 3300 points to hand out. So, will it all even out, or will there be winners and losers?
      I think it is worth having an opinion, because all the teams are looking so close. For what it is worth, I think the influential players will get topped up more. So the accumulators like Crouch and Zerrett and Duncan might be less valuable than a Martin or Bontempelli. I think the accumulators from the backline like Lloyd, Laird and Simpson will suffer, as will the interceptor like Sicily.
      One on one forwards will do better. Riewoldt Darling Brown might prove to be premium. I think Cox will improve and Taylor Walker also. Given we have Danger Heeney and Smith, we probably don’t need to start any of them,
      So, without trying to state the obvious, I think that Grundy, Gawn, Danger, Heeney, Kelly, Cripps and Martin pick themselves. I want to put MacRae in that bucket also, but I am a fraction less confident. Given Fyfe as an influencer, I expect his scores will rise, but his injury record is scary. He may become unaffordable if we don’t pick him. I have Neale, but I am torn on Fyfe. I am also tempted by Bont, but it may have to be over MacRae.
      Smith is still holding a premo forward spot, but his injury and a desire to back my theory on the rise of forwards has me thinking about this.
      Where putting my theory to the biggest test will be the backline. If no Lloyd, Laird, Sicily or Simpson, then? Scarily I have Williams, McGrath and Smith plus three onfield rookies. It feels like it borders on stupidity, but it might be inspired madness.
      Like all teams, we are guessing until we really know what the rookie situation is, but it feels like a risk worth taking. If I am right and the best players become unaffordable then better to start with them and not wait until they drop. To me, I feel like I should still be able to buy defenders later, even if the three I have are only stepping stones.
      Roll on JLT!

      • Derek says:

        i Have got Whitfield at D1

        Maybe Hurn st D2?

        • KeenButClueless says:

          Thanks Derek. Yeah, I think you might be right on Whitfield. His role change to a wing rather than a loose defender helps. And by my own logic, maybe Williams is not the no-brainer I have thought all along.
          The other part of my theory on winners and losers from the new rules is that rookies may be losers, so cash generation might be more difficult. I am considering a 10 premium 1-2 mid pricer and 4-6 stepping stones.

      • Whitey says:

        I don't see the 6-6-6 rule affecting intercept markers that much, its only after a goal that they have to line up like that right? Those one on one contested marking forwards may get and increase but again how many times after a centre bounce is there a clean clearance and take away. I get that the new rules will effect things but I just cant see it making such a dramatic effect. Players and coaches will adapt, good players will still score well. Cant wait till JLT.

        • Blueth says:

          It'll be interesting in the JLT to see whether teams reset to a spare man back (5-6-7) or a (5-7-6) after a goal.
          Basically there's nothing to stop a forward under the 6-6-6 formation sprinting around the square back to defence to create a spare. Takes 10 seconds, momentarily creates an extra in the middle and doesn't disadvantage the team.
          I think the effect of the formation rules on scoring is exaggerated.

          The ability of the defender to get extra meterage out of the square however might effect repeat disposal through 1-2's and switching, which is interesting. Hadn't thought of that.

  164. Gen says:

    Your opinions please: PEARCE HANLEY – $297k…. ?

    • Whitey says:

      Bargin but just so injury prone, extreme risk vs reward move. Any word on how his pre-season is going?

  165. Maverick_ says:

    11 days with no new podcast and members having to write the content for this website for the last week…
    which only happened through russty's suggestion to do so
    seriously lek & patch what the heck is going on around here?
    even alot of the regulars aren't on the website posting in threads anymore…

    • AuroraBorealis?! says:

      To be fair, the crew don't get paid in any way to run this website and have private lives of their own. I personally value this website more for the comment section than the articles, i think the discussion between members are where the true nuggets of information are found.

      • Maverick_ says:

        I understand they don’t get paid n have private lives and agree completely that the members comments are gold aurora but even a lot of the regulars aren’t on here anymore posting anymore….

        • The Ranger says:

          Quite a few regulars have dropped off over the last couple of years Mav but you can't blame Lek and Patch for that.
          After Jock, Higgo and Crouching pulled stumps they put in a lot of time and effort to keep this site going, I think they deserve to be cut some slack.
          There's still plenty of good advice to be had mate and I'm sure things will hot up more when the season gets under way.
          Keep the faith mate.

          • Maverick_ says:

            Yeah I wasn’t attacking or blaming patch and Lek. But they’re non existent on this site now just a post or heads up on what’s happening would be nice just to know where this community is heading. I understand it’s all voluntary by them and they do a great job.
            Sorry if I come across nasty with my original post

    • Russty_ says:

      Hi Mav I'm sure it'll be fine, they're probably just getting material together, soon we'll have all the JLT game reviews, and once the season gets going remember there's always the weekly articles
      Panic Room
      Cheet Sheet
      Heroes, Villains the Damned
      Captain McCaptainface
      Around the Grounds
      Podcast

      Meanwhile I reckon more Community members could chip in with not just player reviews but maybe some more player comparisons from players on the same line with a similar price…etc , or any other subject they're passionate about
      Maybe admin could do a post and discuss your team thread?
      Cheers Mav.

    • Nice person says:

      I agree mav. Should be a privilege to run this site

    • Lazza says:

      It is disappointing Mav.. I’ve been visiting and posting on other sites that have daily content releases.. it’s just feeding my lust for info… but I do agree the value on this site comes from the community… but we do need feeder articles to get the debates going .. pretty much all other sites run advertising to fund their activities… JR is pure community , I don’t know if the lads need financial support to keep it going or if it is purely time pressure that keeps them at bay.. we need to know, and need to know what we can do to help .. but the lads should open up access to certain coaches to be able to post new articles … the SW for this site supports it, but it requires admin to open the gates.. funnelling via Facebook ain’t the answer..

  166. chris says:

    laird witherden williams rozeee collins quaynor (answerth hore)

    macrae cripps martin sidebottom crouch merrett hayes gibbons (duursma bewley hind)

    grundy goldie (sweet)

    danger mundy gresham setterfield mcadam parker (mosquito cavarra)

    Thoughts??????????

    • derek says:

      2 keepers in defense and 2 in forwards seems a bit light.

      it might be all the good rookies are in the guts.

      you might need to be a bit flexible come round 1 when we know what rookies are playing.

      I really don't like forward rookies, don't have a great history of scoring. Maybe think about Sidebum to a rookie and one of the forward rookies to Heeney (who will be top 3 forward this year)

  167. Two things that caught my eye in the dees trial vs woods Gawn was easily BOG playing ruck and not resting forward Pruess played mainly forward and was good. Hore was brilliant and has firmed for R1 his kicking being a delight and will be used as kick in often.. Gawn though easily BOG played against a second string ruck as Grundy was rested Solves a problem for me gawn and hore now locked NDD

    • Russty_ says:

      Thanks Neil, good info mate..I'm guessing if Preuss doesn't improve he might find himself without a gig again ay?

      • I doubt he will play against teams like tigers Russty Tmac to come back also but he was a handful today

        • Lazza says:

          I wouldn’t be so sure Neil. There was no hiding the fact that the Tigers couldn’t cover Cox in the Prelim .. would not be surprised to see Preuss and Gawn rotating through the fwd line against the Tigers.

    • Derek says:

      Did McDonald play?

      • Holty01 says:

        I’m interested in this as well

      • No neither OLIVER or Viney played. Sparrow tagged Treloar and did well kicked a long goal but Brayshaw and in particular Harmes were very good so Sparrow might not play R1 If used liked today he will be irrelevant s/c wise scratch him/ O macdonold and Frost were poor and May didn't play Salem very good took a lot of kick outs but they will use may and Hore too/

        • Holty01 says:

          ThanksNeiI

        • gator59 says:

          Good stuff Neil.. The Big G locked and loaded

        • Lazza says:

          Interesting .. there was a journalist from AFL.com.au on SEN today commenting on the game who said Sparrow was the most likely of the draftees to start R1.. went on to say that the Dees coaches are super impressed with him and will give him plenty of game time ahead of the season proper..

          • I like him too lazza just dont think there is a regular spot when viney and oliver come back Though he only tagged Treloar for a half maybe this is his role.It freed Harmes up hope i am wrong Lazza. i seen you on the other site with some others from here (unless theres two Lazzas) never an issue there just pure footy talk wish it would come back here

  168. One Touch Wonder says:

    You don't pay over $600k for a player unless thay are P Dangerfield. You wouldn't make an investment that will lose money, why do it in supercoach? Buy Low, watch Trading Places, listen to what Dan Aykroyd says (dear Patch, please check my spelling). Expensive players fall in price, fall in price means they are not giving you enough points to justify their price, buy them when they are cheaper, then you don't need as many rookies to make the cash you just lost on your premiums, more rookies, less points. Any more than 4 rookies on field, only have yourself to blame. Grundy & Gawn $700k each, are you serious? too many eggs in that basket. Lloyd, Laird, Simpson, Sicily $600k each, for a defender? Doch at $500k i might have thought about. My SHARK MOVE is don't buy players who will lose value. Look for value. Max 4 rookies on field unless you want 30's. Points gained from expensive premiums are soon lost on crap rookies.

    • Russty_ says:

      Each to their own mate but I think you might struggle to be competitive in the points department, people pick premos for a reason, because they score the most points.
      Your backline looks like a lot I've seen around and I don't mind it, but your midfield is full of second stringers / injury magnets who'll probably need to be replaced sooner rather than later. Meanwhile you'll be losing points all the way until you do.
      The reason some guys go for set and forget players is because of their high output and durability, and because they don't want to burn trades replacing non premos in their squads.
      I think you might be having to do a fair bit of that during the season…but hey, I hope it all works out for you, it's definitely a different philosophy than most.
      My main concerns would be, lack of points generated, Injury risk, and running out of trades trying to get the best players.
      Cheers OTW.

      • Undefeated says:

        We aren't trading stocks with unlimited trades buddy. We have 30 trades so goodluck with utterly the most ridiculous strategy I have heard of.

    • Nice person says:

      Max 4 rookies? You're a joke

      • Russty_ says:

        No need to be a prick about it…or is there?

        • Brn says:

          Im the opposite. Pure ultra guns and rookies is really the best option. Better to pick all the guns – 1 premium, than to pick a team full of maybes. You are honestly wrong. Taje maybe one or two pods, or downgrade a 'maybe' to a walsh or similar. Thats how you win. From a previous top 10 finisher

  169. One Touch Wonder says:

    In my team i have SHARK MOVES all over.

    DEF: Hurn, Ryan, Witherden, ZWilliams, BSmith, Quaynor (Burgess, Hore)

    The new kick in rule will be huge this year, extra points for doing nothing. Hurn was averaging less than 18 kicks a game last year but still average 96. Another 4 or 5 kicks a game he will not fall below his starting price. Same with Ryan and Witherden, natural improvement anyway plus the kickin rules. they only had 7 games between them last year where they had over 19 kicks, they play in teams that will have plenty of points against. points for nothing. Forget about Lloyd, laird and Simpson, they will have Mills/McVeigh, Milera/Smith, Newman getting in their way and all way to expensive.

    ZWilliams and BSmith a premium players at bargain prices. You will not get them cheaper. Quaynor looks the best of the rookies and should be able to produce a decent score. Burgess is there for cash and to provide a DPP swing, Hore as the best of the cheap rookies but no way he will be on field.

    • One Touch Wonder says:

      MIDFIELD: Bont, DMartin, ZMerret, JO'Meara, BCrouch, TRockliff, Liberatore, Walsh (Constable, Hind, Bewley)

      The Bont is ready for the season we have been waiting to see. 103, 107, 105, 104 average seasons he is ready to launch. hugely Supercoach Friendly. You won't get him any cheaper. Dusty is going 120 this year. Merrett is way under. Everyone is wondering who is going to fill the Titch hole???? hello, have you seen how JOM is looking. He started slow last year as you would expect had 5 sub 80's before the byes but averaged 101 after the byes. JOM will fill the hole and will do it very well. Uber premium by end of the year. SHARK MOVE right there. Macrae, cripps, fyfe, kelly, Oliver, Neale, I will be picking over their cheap prices around the byes.

      BCrouch, TRockliff & Libba have all started in my teams in recent years and then got injured. That is what trades are for. too cheap to ignore and too good to leave out of your team. Classic fallen premiums. To have Rocky at M6 and Libba at M7 and leaving Walsh (who can really play) as your only on field rookie is SHARK like. Constable, Bewley & Gibbon to fatten on the bench.

      • One Touch Wonder says:

        RUCK: Goldstien, English (Sweet)

        Grundy and Gawn are both great players, but they are not $1,400,300 good. I don't need a Captain, my perma C is sitting at F1. Goldy is better than his average of 101 and undervalued. TEnglish will be the #1 ruck at the bulldogs this year, if he isn't or they give him a rest it will be JSweet. Cover my bases. i saw English give chase to Florent last year at Docklands, he is now 100kg and can run like that, he is worth picking, maybe a year early but he will be a nice stepping stone to wait for one of the overpriced to become cheaper. SHARK MOVE.

        • One Touch Wonder says:

          FORWARDS: Dangerfield (perma C), Heeney, Mundy, JElliott, CRozee, W Setterfield (Corbett, Cavarra)

          Heeney will be 100% midfield this year. we will see his true ceiling this year, expecting a few 150's. no knee problems, no glandular fever. gun midfielder as a forward. Lock. Another pure midfielder as a forward is Mr Mundy. i know he is old but he can still find the footy. Huge hole to be filled by Neale's departure, will average 100 easy and make him a lock for top 6 forwards.

          J Elliott is priced to average 57. he will be minimum 20 points better than that. I read he played very well in a trial game today. will watch him in JLT before locking in. He could be one of the last upgrades in the forwards. Rozee i have to see play, there are a few other rookies in forward line along with Setterfield. High risk having two on field, so they will have to be good. Maybe Rankine or Blakey or Parker, see who looks good. i do hate rookie forwards. DMoore might be a good option if i find another $29k. Another SHARK MOVE right there.

          • KeenButClueless says:

            I respect the theory. Tried it myself unsuccessfully in the past. Every year got beaten by guns and rookies sides. The problem is getting to full premium. Not enough trades and not quite enough cash generation. The double points on the Captain is also a killer. Danger as Perma C is an option but won’t maximise your chances. Even in the times of G Ablett as perma C the glorious double of a VC choice often surpassed him. One year it will work, I am sure. But from my experience it hasn’t so far.

          • gator59 says:

            All I can say is good luck with your theory

    • Lazza says:

      Brodie Smith is not a premium player .. never has been in his 8 seasons..

      • One Touch Wonder says:

        2014 he played all 22 games. averaged 94, including 7 scores over 120.

        that is a premium defender definition right there

        • Liam says:

          5 years ago.

        • Lazza says:

          A Premium IMO averages over 100… or is in the Top 6 if they didn’t average 100.
          B Smith had a one off year in 2014, was pretty good with the 9th highest average for a DEF.
          But his other years were:
          2011 – 50
          2012 – 65
          2013 – 75
          2015 – 77
          2016 – 75
          2017 – 82
          2018 – 87 (only 2 games).

    • The Ranger says:

      I don't mind the theory One Touch and thanks for the reasoning, but I did a similar thing about five years ago and it didn't work for me.
      Not to say it can't work but a lot has to go right.

      • Brn says:

        Pick at least some of the top players in their positions ffs. You might go well originally, but upgrading will be a bitch. Teams like yours are a joke and not sustainable ffs

    • YOU are going to need mountains of luck and trades sorry but a big no

      • One Touch Wonder says:

        Thanks. Will take everyone’s advice and maybe tone it down a bit

        • Russty_ says:

          Do what you wanna do OTW…if it contributes to your enjoyment for the Supercoach year, I say go for it…and hang our opinions, mine included, maybe stick true to your strategy and see how it works out, like a scientific experiment.
          Then, if it doesn't work, you'll have proved the theory and can move on from there.
          Sorry if I inhibited your creativity…do what you think is right bud.

    • Sharkmove_King says:

      Imposter!!! No wonder I got accused of having too many SHARKMOVES last year….They weren't all me. For the record, I (the official SHARKMOVER) have only selected Michael Hibberd & Tom Lynch as SHARKMOVE players for 2019.

      In my honest and professional opinion I believe you have overdone it with SHARKMOVES in this team. You really only want 1, max 2 and then the rest of your team should be cookie cutter. You just want a slight tweak to what everyone else is doing to get ahead, too many tweaks is counter productive imo.

      • Russty_ says:

        With all respect Sharkmove_ King he might've been here long before you were.

      • Nice person says:

        Well said shark move, t lynch looks like a very nice pick. Won't start with him because of the injury however. Hib I'm not to sure on, just went to a lock down backpocket player. May might take some of the point scoring roles too

  170. TOPHAWK1 says:

    AFLX…………….Hmmmmmmmm. Must say, I am not exactly sitting on the edge of my seat! Its a "bubblegum", "Arial ping pong" footy format. Hopefully the grand final will bring a bit more intensity.

    • Russty_ says:

      Haha yeah Hawk it's kinda like training drills with a crowd there…not exactly serious stuff, might seem a bit more serious if it was actually on an oval.

      • TOPHAWK1 says:

        Agreed Russty. It has got that training drill look about it. Still enjoying watching the SC relevant boys out there. Jayden Stephenson has impressed me. Powell-Pepper looks a lot fitter and sharper. Great to see Rocky out there too. Isaac Heeney is up next. Be good to see how he goes.

        • Russty_ says:

          Yeah mate Stephenson looked good, wonder if he could lift his average into the high 80's – 90's this year, he's a pretty confident young fella

    • The Ranger says:

      Utter rubbish. I turned it off.
      Locals clubs are folding all over the bloody place and the AFL comes up with this load of pish.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Was never interested, club footy is all I care about, this is a wast of time, they should have put the money spent on this into something that needs it.

  171. Lekdog says:

    Come back from holiday and the comments have gone nuts!

    A mess of thoughts…

    1. Everyone is welcome to submit content either through contacting us on Facebook or through any of the contributors twitter pages. We already have a fair bit of content from the community ready to go.
    2. We'll need help doing the JLT match reviews once again either hit us up through social media or if you have an intense debate account we can contact you via email through that.
    3. As you know if you read this article or listened to the podcast Patch and I have been on holiday (sadly not together, the bastard still can't see me without breaking down about Chad Wingard or Danial Rich)
    4. If you are unhappy with the content on the site or the frequency of posts refer to points 1 & 2 or leave, although it would be sad to see you go
    5. If you don't stop getting into petty arguments I'll just start banning you, regardless of how long you've been on the site.
    6. We don't run ads so this is a hobby that costs us money, unfortunately the ads that pay the most are always gambling and in honour of the great men that came before us we won't run that content.
    7. We would never ask for financial help from the community because a) that money is better in your pocket than in ours and b) we have nothing extra to offer/commit to giving you in return
    8. We don't own the site, we run it but we don't own it so any changes we want to make/ads we want to run have to go through a very lengthy process that likely will end with a no anyway
    9. (Tech stuff) I'm looking at moving to new servers to reduce the cost dramatically which will help with the survival of the site
    10. We only keep the site up to host a place for comments in pre-season. Our focus is really the stuff we have fun with, which comes during the season for the most part.
    11. (On behalf of Patch and I) We aren't as active as we'd like in the comments, this is true. But between our jobs which often keep us working 6 days a week, our mental health, our other hobbies and our families… the website really isn't that important in the scheme of things. We love it, we wish we could do more with it but unfortunately at the end of the day it's just footy. We LOVE doing the pods and the Panic Room and the Cheat Sheets but to be online and monitor a website that gets thousands of visitors all day everyday isn't feasible.
    12. By the time I've gone through the backend of the site, gone through the comments, read the articles (fun) and had time to look at my Supercoach side I don't physically have the time to be involved in conversations with you guys. I miss literally only having to comment and chat.
    13. The community isn't here for us, it's here to support eachother, that's why we kept it going when jock, Higgo and Crouching pulled the pin.
    14. If you want to contribute regularly, help with the running of the site etc., post stuff to social etc. get in contact with me!
    15. If you want the website to be the same as it once was, that's not going to happen without your help. It's very hard to be inspired when there is only negative commentary about the things we try…
    16. Christ Patrick Cripps is a beast, did you see that fend off in the AFL X?

    • The Ranger says:

      Onya Lek.
      There's a whole bunch of us out here that really bloody appreciate your efforts.

      • Lekdog says:

        Cheers mate, probably don't need to say all these things but I'm an emotional man who wishes he could do more!

        • The Ranger says:

          Lazza said it slightly differently elsewhere but he was spot on in saying that it's the idea of a community that keeps this site going, it always was and always has been. Keep on doing what ya doing Lek and the site will be just fine
          Be good to see a few of the old'uns like TF, SCAddict, The General and Moustachio give a voice to the site again. Every little helps.
          Over to you Pieman.

    • Skindog says:

      Awesome, I’m just getting sick of being accused of being someone I’m not, it’s disgraceful atm, you give an opinion but don’t expect to be ridiculed for it or be threatened or being told you’re not who you say you are and are actually someone else, apparently 66 and Wow, and I’m not either! Maybe you’re banning the wrong people? Hope you had a good holiday even though you didn’t get to spend it with Parch?

    • Russty_ says:

      Welcome back Lek and fair e-bloody nough I say, all good points, thanks for claryfying.
      I reckon there's plenty of talented blokes out there who have a buttload of knowledge who could contribute regular articles / items of interest, and maybe get famous in the process. Who knows?
      Sorry sometimes can't help getting into petty arguments trying to defend it when it's someone trying to sabotage what's been built here.
      And they know, and we know who they are.
      On the point of these blokes not being advertising moneywhores guys, I think we need to try to support them more, by our own contributions.
      Let's take some pressure off and contribute content ourselves…for the benefit of all, I'm right behind that!
      Before doing a Truckload of research etc…maybe check in with admin first though to double check whether that's what they're looking for..just so you're not wasting your time. (double up articles etc)..and can get confirmation.
      16:, I saw the Crippsernator, Stephenson from the pies looked good too. πŸ™‚

      • Lekdog says:

        Thanks for the support Russty but let's focus on not getting baited in the comments. Stick to being positive like I know you can brother.

      • Skindog says:

        And here you go again, you’re right, and everyone’s wrong, you keep fighting the good fightπŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘ŠπŸ˜‚

      • Undefeated says:

        This post would never of come about if it wasn't for you. You're the one that started this landslide of negativity.

        The men went on holidays getting some vitamin D while you're upset articles aren't being put up because you lock yourself in a room all day.

    • Holty01 says:

      Well said Lek. I know it must be hard to keep this site going and keeping everything positive but the majority of us appreciate what you, Patch and the boys do. Keep it up.

    • TOPHAWK1 says:

      Good onya Lek!! You and Patch do enough for this site. Sometimes in life, the more you do, the more people take it for granted. Glad you put your foot down and redefine the boundaries. No guessing you will be starting with the Crippsernator? (Pinched that one off Russty! Love it). Damn he looks like a leviathan!! Cheers mate. TH

      • Lekdog says:

        Cheers TopHawk, it's not just me an Patch. Damo, Baz, Kev and all the contributors do an amazing job too! In fact they do most of the heavy lifting content wise!

        If I was to not start Cripps it means something has seriously gone wrong, please call emergency services if Crippa isn't in my team reveal.

    • Patch says:

      You're a bloody good human and all of these points reflect how I feel as well.

      I wish we could write daily content, but I just can't. I wish I could spend more time in the comments, but I just can't. None of us have the time we used to to not just write content but write really good content. It's tough. Tough on me and tough on Lek, and without him there probably wouldn't be a website. (Special shoutout to Damo who jumps at every opportunity to help, as do Kev and Baz.)

      Which is where this wonderful, beautiful community shines and flourishes. You all step up and chat, have good discussions, healthy arguments – and the odd unhealthy one, which I hate seeing. Absolutely everyone deserves respect on this site, and if you want to bait or troll or be baited and sucked in, do it somewhere else. I'm really not a fan of banning people, but as Lek said, we simply don't have the time to trawl through the massive amounts of comments that flood in.

      • Skindog says:

        Spot on Patch, totally agree, I don’t like being baited but sometimes I fall for it, ignore and move on from now if any clown starts!

        • Patch says:

          We're all human, Skindog, but we can always strive to be better. I'm backing you in for a massive season

        • GloryDays94 says:

          You could try making a proper account instead of this πŸ‘ might change a few things….

    • Maverick_ says:

      awesome stuff lek!
      I wasnt having a go at you guys in my earlier post was just curious as to what was happening n where you guys are at with it all.
      I am a big fan of this website and very passionate which is probably where it all come from.
      Great to hear from you and patch again though!
      bring on the 2019 season.

    • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

      Bang.
      There ya go Lek.
      Nice one.
      We do appreciate all you guys do and esp keeping the site running.
      Must be a huge drain but the community are here for you now and always

      Ill keep commenting you just keep the site running.

    • Snick says:

      Whatever you guys have time to produce…I appreciate
      For those that have been bothering you all…pull your heads in ffs!!!

    • AuroraBorealis?! says:

      Hey Lek, i was wondering if it's possible to make it so that only people with intense debate accounts can comment on the articles? It would mean much less fighting i'd imagine as it gives everyone a set identity and makes it harder for people to hide behind fake accounts. Is there a reason why this hasn't been done already? Perhaps because it limits accessibility to the site? Either way i'd just like some clarification, cheers

  172. gator59 says:

    All hail Lek and co… And as they say in the classics … THE SHOW MUST GO ON…. Thanks fellas

  173. Nice person says:

    Community!!
    Jtl action is right around the corner with the BLUES VS DON'S starting Thursday night.
    Who do we have on our watch list for this game?
    For mine it's
    -Cripps
    -Walsh
    -Curnow
    -Smith
    -Zerrett
    Cripps looked like a beast last night, pretty unstoppable in a 1v1 contest, could this see him resting forward more this year, and will the blues be able to deliver it to him enough so he can sustain his scoring?

    • Blueth says:

      I'd add
      – Francis
      – Stocker
      – Gibbons
      – Cottrell
      – Setters
      – Zac Clarke

      Strangely Essendon don't seem to be overly SC relevant. A whole lot of B-grade premos and mid-pricers.

      • TOPHAWK1 says:

        I would also add Andrew Mc Grath, Kyle Langford, and Orazio Fantasia. These 3 guys are clear break out contenders in 2019. I think Essendon could well be very SC relevant in 2019. In any case, I expect Essendon to be one of the big improvers in 2019.

    • Lekdog says:

      I'd throw Nic Newman, Simmo, Gibbons and Stocker in there for the Blues

      Hurley and Clarke for the Bombers.

      In terms of Crippa, he rested forward a reasonable amount last year for just 1.2 scoring shots per game. The Blues have said they'll be playing Cunningham as a forward and will trial Ed Curnow in attack (unsure how he went against the Hawks, reckon he scored a goal or two from memory). Combined with the addition of McGovern I don't think there will be a lot of time for Cripps to go forward. He'll still do it but probably only in similar spurts to 2018

      • Holty01 says:

        Rumours were Curnow was impressive with his forward pressure. Don’t think he got a heap of it but he created opportunities while he played there. If he can lock a spot in their forward line, it will certainly make a few more Carlton players far more SC relevant

    • Holty01 says:

      Cripps shouldn’t be on anyone’s watch list. He should already be locked in.
      Agree with Zerrett, Walsh and Smith. All I’ll be watching with intrigue.
      Curnow is interesting, I’m a Carlton supporter so very excited of what he will become as a player. Just don’t think he will see enough of it to be in those top 12 forwards.

      • Nice person says:

        Only watching cripps for his role, may seem silly but just want to be certain when spending 645k

        • Holty01 says:

          Nothing silly about that. Better being certain when investing that much money in someone

    • Skindog says:

      Cripps is a lock so no need to watch him lol, def watching Walsh and Zerret, both have been in and out of my side and are out atm,

    • YourMom says:

      Only interested in the potential breakout players McGrath and Fisher.
      Cripps obvious lock
      Walsh the only guaranteed mid rookie
      Curnow which one Ed or Charlie? Ed aved 114 in his first 10 games L/y (Oliver112, Neale 103, Danger 115, TMitch 122, Cripps 118 Kelly's first 10 games-107)
      Zerrett not SC relevant anymore

  174. BadgerHoney7 says:

    At saints intra club today – any request of players youD like me to watch let me know. Robertson real good early like real good – firm pick now if you want him. Young guy Hunter Clark BOG so far – gonna be a player. Hind with a couple of early touches as well as Parker who’s had a shot at goal.

    • BadgerHoney7 says:

      Parker 0.2 now – Robertson is how best on by a country mile – 5 intercept marks and probably around 14 possessions. That’s genjinelt around what he’s had too everyone’s surprise here

    • TOPHAWK1 says:

      Great stuff badger!! How is Seb Ross looking?

      • BadgerHoney7 says:

        Done some good things. Haven’t seen a massive rise from last year but looks a lot cleaner with his possession

    • Lekdog says:

      So we're locking in Parker and Roberton is going to tempt us…

      How are Billings, Gresham and Wilkie going?

      • BadgerHoney7 says:

        Billings and Gresham not playing due to AFLX last night. Wilkie done some good things playing and switching on McCartin who hasn’t kicked a goal

      • gator59 says:

        Billings was his usual crap last night in AFL X

    • BadgerHoney7 says:

      Parker another shot at goal. Saints are lining up with what seems would be the FWD line set up come round 1 all on one team. Parker included in that. Dangerous atm. Could easily have 5 goals. Wilkie becoming more and more solid as game goes on. Robertson still solid in this qtr but not as dominant as the last due to ball not being down his end.

      • Holty01 says:

        How is Parker’s tackling? Heard he is a tackling machine

        • BadgerHoney7 says:

          Hey Holts, Parks has laid some impressive tackles, but I’ve been way more impressed by his pace, skill willing to get the ball, goal nack. Will score some good scores

    • BadgerHoney7 says:

      Roberton has really impressed me today. Another courageous intercept mark. He’d nearly have 6 or 7 for the day today. He’s also seeming to be St Kildas go to player coming out of defence. 2nd half commences.

    • BadgerHoney7 says:

      Mark it down I won’t be surprised if 3 mature age recruits from St kilda play round 1. Parker, Wilkie and Hind. Parker definite. Hind maybe. Wilkie maybe.

    • BadgerHoney7 says:

      Last note of the day Robbie Young – might get games due to shear pace – he’s bloody quick but is a project player. Clavarino goes down with leg injury late. I’ll give a little match report soon

  175. BadgerHoney7 says:

    Match report for today St Kilda Intraclub –
    Notes – Parker and Roberton were two standouts in first half, Roberton sure hasn’t lost any confidence with his ability to go back with the flight – looks extremely comfortable and was really dominatant – took kick outs too.
    Parker was really something special I though after coming in with no huge expectation on him he was really good. Pace, skill, and actually had the ability to find the ball with the ease. Started at the wing a couple of times but played majority half forward flank and definitely didn’t find it difficult to find the footy. In the first half alone he had 7 shots at goal. Doesn’t have a left foot but has an extremely powerful boot. Needs to improve accuracy a little. Can play tall. (both Parker and Roberton were so good that they switched teams at half time).
    Wilkie – wouldn’t be surprised if he finished with around 20 touches. Good with hand and foot and fitted in to Saints defence well. Bigger body size so can play on the bigger players as well as small. Not surprised if he plays round 1 but he’s probably a bit behind Parker and probably same as Hind.
    Hind – showed some good things but not often as he was playing on the stronger team and in defence (ball didn’t come down often). I thought his voice was really good and didn’t make any mistakes at all with the ball in his hand. He’s extremely quick as well. Wouldn’t be surprised if they play him high half back or wing if he gets opportunities. Played on fellow mature ager Robbie Young and beat him comfortably.
    Young – has pace and a lot of it. Could’ve kicked a spectacular goal at one stage where he bursted out of the contest but whistle was blown. If saints need forward line pressure throughout the year he might get an opportunity but Parker, Long, Gresham and Lonie are comfortably ahead of him at the moment.
    Ross – he’s gonna do the same as last year and that’s average around 100 but won’t go any higher – hasn’t added a whole lot to his game but I think his possession by foot was a lot cleaner than last year today. One of the best out there today.
    Clark – really loved this kids game today. Probably not SuperCoach relevant at the moment due to awkward price but he’s most definitely one for the future. Got a bit of pendles about him. Real clean, good skills, good step on him, finds targets, makes good decisions, and lays pressure regularly. Great game easily one of the best out there.
    McCartin/Bruce – both created contests but were quite. Notably not many goals were kicked today. Bruce was better than McCartin though with two majors.
    Coffield – was better today I thought – found the ball a bit made good decision – didn’t waste a possession and played in the midfield. Will get opportunities this year just needs to add more to his game as the year goes on.
    Notable absentees – Gresham, Steele, Membrey, Billings, Long, Carlisle, Webster, Steven, King.

    • Lekdog says:

      This is so good!

      • BadgerHoney7 says:

        Cheers Lek – happy to help with the news from the Saints front, I'll try to get down to there trainings a bit more often and give you my thoughts.

    • BadgerHoney7 says:

      If anyone wants certain player reviews let me know and I'll give you my thoughts.

      • Blueth says:

        Did Savage play? Interested to know the dynamic between him and Roberton.

        • BadgerHoney7 says:

          Savage did play – opposing teams in the second half though, Roberton was way more dominant then Savage though.

    • fcabel says:

      Outstanding πŸ‘

    • YourMom says:

      Excellent stuff Badger. So, with Gresham, Steele, Membrey, Billings, Long, Carlisle, Webster and Steven to come back in who do you think will miss out so that Parker, Wilkie and Hind could get a go for round 1?

      • Lazza says:

        Carlisle unlikely to play R1.. but the rest seem to be on track.. interesting question..

      • BadgerHoney7 says:

        After yesterday I’ve been thinking about this a lot – can’t see why Parker won’t gwt a go early. He was the talk between everyone there yesterday early – genuinely showed excitement probably only lacking a little bit of polish at the moment but I actually thought he was better than Lonie yesterday. Hind on the other hand was solid and he could easily grab that role previously taken by players such as Brandon White and Dan McKenzie. Wilkie was also extremely solid yesterday and he has the advantage of being to play tall and small and get the ball. Gut feel is that Parker and Hind get games round 1 – and that Wilkie will enter later on in the scene but might also get a debut early due to Carlisle’s injury. JLT form would dictate a bit I also suspect.

  176. BadgerHoney7 says:

    Tried to upload a big review of today’s game but has to be approved by site admin. Hopefully it goes up soon for you guys.

  177. Is longer playing BADGE great work mate

    • BadgerHoney7 says:

      Longer played, him and Pierce had an interesting contest first half until Longer went off 3rd quarter for young Rowan Marshall. Genuinely couldn’t tell you who’s going to get a game out of those two. I can’t see Saints playing two at all with an already too heavy forward line. Longer won the bulk of the ruck contests and showed his strength whereas Pierce was much more agile around the ground and moved well.

    • Lekdog says:

      Think he's done a hammy NDD