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PODCAST | Meddling with midpricers

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Gday community!

Lek has seen the latest images of Charlie Curnow circulating the internet and he had to go take a serious lie down on a beach somewhere, and to be honest, I don’t blame him.

What a beast. What a specimen of a human body.

He looks like a young Jock Reynolds – all he needs is the moustache. Good god now everyone’s getting sidetracked by a sudden rush of blood to the nether regions…

Anyway, Patch enlisted the help of Damo’s wonderful brain to talk him out of a plethora of mid-priced selections and break down exactly who you could look at – with a few surprises in store.

Strap yourself in, whack on some earbuds and keep your hands, legs and temptation to pick awful mid-priced selections inside the cart at all times.

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Dan

B.Smith, Roberton, Miles.

Rivo

Just the 3 x mid price risks at this point – B.Smith, Miles, J.Higgins. I’m sure one will work?

DILDOR

Why Higgins, as a tiges supporter i hope so but what makes you think hes a breakout?

Rivo

Tiger bias here. His mid time stats toward the later part of 2018 delivered some good scores over 90. He’s a ball magnet, second year only, works hard, and will improve the $392k start price. The problem of course is there’s a deep midfield at Richmond and rotations will soften his output. His junior SC stats were excellent. So definitely worth the punt.

DILDOR

Ugly price for a second year small forward in the tigers team. We all know how much they share the ball, i can see him scoring a few tons but not averaging anywhere near it. I can see an average of like 80

Rivo

He is super fit and covers for Prestia who misses games. Resting forward next to Lynch & Riewoldt could add to scores too. I have him averaging 85-90. Will be a stepping stone for the byes unless he does get past 90 avg.

DavidC

Last year it was Jack Graham and that turned out to be a big failure. I think I'll pass on mid pricers this year.

Rivo

That’s true but mid price are all risks. Plenty going for Williams returning from injury at a similar price. Equally tempting.

Russty_

Williams, Francis, Miles for me.

Holty01

Nice. Mine are becoming less and les with every day. I only have Williams now.
My lines are 3-5-2-3 with enough for nearly every other premo. I’ll simply wait for r1 teams and pin point where the rookies are lacking and then try slotting a extra premo in there

Russty_

Hi Holty, so you're anti- midpricer?….I didn't mention I had Withers and Taranto as well , and will have Greene if he's fit lol, I guess that makes me a midpriced madman…hahah .
Funny thing is for all our best laid plans, many of us change our teams bigtime on the first selection night, when we know who's actually starting, no one wants to cop a donut first week.

Holty01

always have taken a punt on a few mid pricers but none really stand out for me. Greene might be a possibility but will more then likely miss games. Miles is tempting but has no help up there in Gold Coast. If the opposition have a tagger, good chance it goes to him.

paul

One who can play, who i will be keeping an eye on is George. H .Smith also running in the mid at G/C.

Maverick_

williams & taranto for me if you call him a midpricer

Undefeated

Anything below 500 I'd call mid pricer.

GloryDays94

Williams, Smith and Miles are on my radar atm. Taranto for a breakout contender.

Bobert

McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Moore, Libba,Miles 1 less than last year (finished mid 400's) but another may popup in JLT.

paul

I am sure everyone will be looking at that lot come JLT.

gator59

Williams for me and that's it

Holty01

Same. Like it gator

neil demons delight

Williams and Francis for me Dabbling with Miles

Undefeated

The worpedo to AVG 94+

Nice person

None, and patch you still sound like your microphone has a plastic bag over it

BlueBaggerJosh

Roberton and Smith, and although one head is saying to pick curnow i will be listening to the other one saying no.

JohnDJ59

Witherden, Mills, Williams are locked in my team and in the back of my mind I think Salem from the Dees could be an interesting one as well. I am also thinking about Wingard if he is fit and ready to go round one.

paul

Williams ,Mills, Wingard .I am interested in Birchall and Smith's performance in the JLT .Birchall has been noted saying "he is ready to go".

Russty_

Hey Paul, I read an article from a few days ago that said he probably wouldn't return until somewhere between round 4 and 8.

paul

Yes found it on doctor supercoach thanks.

David

I wouldn't believe anything from that site unless its obviously copied from a reliable source paul. The 'Doc' reckons that the kickin situation at Carlton isn't as well defined as other clubs hahahahahaha 5 minutes of actual research or reading the afl posts on the subject obliterate any truth in that comment and ID the 'Doc' as a spud

Russty_

Understandable Rocksta, looking back he only really had 2 decent years out of 9 when he averaged 90 in 2015 and 92 in 2017, as tempting as his price is, I'd rather trust a rookie instead.

Mitchhhhhhh

Anyone looking at Zac Fisher? Had some mid time last year could be a good year for him

Wilbur

He actually started 11 games in the middle last year Mitchhhhh and when he didn't start there he rotated through there. season high of 117 against Eagles only other ton was 110 against the suns
Averaged 88 from his first 6-games last year including a season low 45 against norf. BUT in his last 6 games only averaged 61 and that included games against Saints, Lions and Dockers
His last 8-games included 5 below 60
You'd expect him to be better this year (his 3rd) but at 392k it's a massive risk

WTFoxtrot_58

Is there a site that allows a download of scores and/or prices every week??

David

Yes

WTFoxtrot_58

Thanks for that. Not going to elaborate??

_Kyle

I tend to use footywire for all of that

The Ranger

Got Williams, Witherden and Libba at the moment. Will be keeping a close eye on Hopper.

paul

I agree if Greene is in round one he has to be fit and at that price with his potential you would have to pick him.He may even play one JLT. all you want him to do is play until round 7 depending on output.

Northernsoul74

Williams and Libba for me.

Josh

I have five Williams, Roberton, viney, Hall, Longer out of all of them roberton is one of the players on the chopping block just waiting for jlt too see in a rookie pops up

derek

I have not had much success with Mid-price players over the seasons. Cloke may have been my last good mid price selection.

Who have been the mid-price success stories? Nank. McLean. Coniglio.

who else? is there a common theme? ie fallen premium, Injury affected?

JohnDJ59

I had Coniglio and McLean last year and Nank and Oliver the year before.

MarvelousMidPricers

Seedsman and Brayshaw last year add Fisher if you cashed out after round 6. there were probably half a dozen others but I didn't have them

Derek

There hasn’t been many……….

Liam

Oliver,Sandi,Wells,Lloyd,Sicily,Devon Smith

Heaps more to go with them.

derek

I have had the following Mid-price players in and out of my team this preseason.

ZWilliams – thought he would have been cheaper than $408k. Underpriced defender who may even push for top 10. Good selection.

Witherden – At the top of the price bracket. If paying $455k for a defender you would be hoping they are a keeper. Coming into his 3rd season will improve naturally. His TOG will increase, kicks the ball alot and as Brisbane improve this year should get a few more points for Score Involvements. Will benefit from the new kick in rules. Last years 88 average was injury affected round 22, take that out it was 93 average. I think he he can be a top 10 defender and should be a Good selection.

Mills – i have started him the last 3 years. Has been disappointing. There is the promise of mid field time but i'm not convinced. Heeny will be 100% midfield not Mills.

Libba – his price is good. $300k will get you some good points early on, but he won't make enough cash to waste a trade on. The Dogs midfield is very crowded. Looks like there might be a reasonable selection of rookies in the midfield this year, having him takes a valuable place in the mids.

Kreuzer – the 'fallen premium' category. Can produce 95+ average, but his is injury risk. Even this preseason there have been problems. However if he is ready to go round 1, he will be considered as a stepping stone R2. Richmond, Port, swans, suns, dogs, hawks start to the season is very friendly for the big bloke. If he can get 6 games before his certain injury, that might be enough to get a decent price rise and pick up a Gawn at a lower price.

Greene – i don't like the guy, but he can play footy. I don't think he will be ready round 1 so that might make it easy for everyone to not pick him, but with forward rookies looking hard to find, he might be the perfect F4. 2017 he averaged 98. He does seem to score well against the weaker teams and needs to kick 3 or 4 goals a game. His lowest scores have been against the top 4 teams. GWS early draw is one of the toughest. he must be considered if fit.

paul

Williams a lock .With Mills it is different this year at a new club and green if fit for round one he is in.If these three start well you are well on your way.Also Wingard is one to watch.
Its a wait and see .Bring on the JLT.

derek

Miles (not Mills) was another who i had a look at. His price is the attraction at $342k that seems cheap for someone who averaged 100, 98 & 90 only a few years ago (2014, 15, 16). His TOG fell away at Tigers, he was up around 85% in 2014, dropped to under 80% in 2015 and just above 70% in 2016. He is a bit like Libba, takes away a mid-field rookie place who will make cash, but only $42k more than libba i would take Miles. He is an expensive M6 option, but i can see people starting him at M5 as long as they go deeper on another line if rookies are not available. Suns players are back on the radar this year (as is port) because no early bye. If i go with a cheap R2 i could look at him at M6. If there are not enough rookies on other lines and i need to go with an extra keeper in defense or forwards, i might look at Miles at M5, maybe.

Such is Fyfe

Unreal reviews

Rick

A lot of injury-prone players in that list that are best to be avoided. Mills is a 'gunna'. Out of that lot I can see only Witherden as a viable option.

derek

i think the better performing midprice players over the years have been 'fallen premiums'. they are usually 'fallen' because of injury, it comes with the price tag.

I do love Mills, have started him last 3 years. Not this year, even with the promise of more midfield.

Right now my team has Williams and Witherden as the only Mid pricers

Holty01

Very good reasoning Derek. This is a good read

Stacky23

Thoughts on Tim English (310k), Dogs number 1 ruck and showed a bit with 4/7 games 75+ last season

The Ranger

Gonna be a good player one day but I wouldn't pick him yet.

Russty_

Yeah, needs to put on about 20 kilos and stop looking like Napoleon Dynamite.

Gen

no

Dann

English is really skillful for a ruckman, He's a genuine stepping stone option this season assuming he get's the solo ruck role.

Ja191

Brisbane have stated that their ruck position is up for grabs as Stefan Martin has been dealing with back and ankle niggles during the preseason. — Looking like goldy or gawn are our 2 options

derek

Unless Archie has improved alot, i can't see it being a choice.

DavidC

I think Witts is a genuine option. He played all 22 games last year and is a lock in their best 22. Also has the handy round 14 bye like goldy. About the right age to break out too.

Gen

I think Sinclair will improve to a ~100 average. May be risky though with the Swans having Cameron and Naismith as solid backups

GreendaleFC

Def: Witherden, Williams, Roberton and Hanley. Witherden will definitely be taking kick ins, but I'll be watching the JLT carefully to see just how much the others take kick ins, and how often they play on. I'll also be watching Brodie Smith carefully.

Mids: Viney or Brad Crouch. Will pick whoever better in JLT.

For: Greene as long as he's injury free. Darcy Moore might come into consideration if he does a bit of intercepting work in the JLT.

derek

Would you be looking at BCrouch or Viney as your M5 or M6?

GreendaleFC

M5. Right now I think most of the better rookies will be in the mids and forwards, plus there is a lot of value to be made from the kick in takers down back. My current set up of Premos, midpricers and rookies is:
Def: 2 4 2
Mids: 4 1 5
Ruck: 2 0 1
For: 2 1 5

Lazza

Brad Crouch is injured again..

GreendaleFC

He just has a minor foot injury doesn't he? If anything groin related comes up I'll be writing him off.

NiceGuy

Brad Crouch is a dumb move, even if he was fit there a dozen better value mids.

derek

I've set up a Cash League. Nothing too rich. $20 per player should add a bit of interest. Winner take all.

email: [email protected]

if you would like to join.

I'll send you banking details and league code.

Only bad players need apply ๐Ÿ˜‰

Only 2 spots left.

Swoopsta

any spots left?

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Ahh the old mid pricer.
Bit like being inside a washing machine.

You either get tossed around, beaten up and come out worse than when you went in or you come out clean, fresh, smelling like new and ontop of the world.

My middies under consideration depending on structure of team. Middie =$250 -$500k.

Top of the tree.
Williams
Miles
Roberton
Darling
Curnow
Gresham (though billings burns still raw)

Pending thoughts (maybe JLT form)
Ryan
Newman
Shuey
Harmes
Vardy
Parfitt
Kent
Worpel
SPS
Vandenberg
Hall
Viney

Normally start a couple these days as you have to given the cost of premos.

Curnow beast like. Good luck in a one on one contest!

The Ranger

Throw Libba onto that list too Trigga.
I've never done it yet but one year I'm going to have to start a full mid pricer team just for the fun of it.

Tyruddanaut

Curnow won’t provide good scoring potential. Key word potential. His ceiling is high, but maximum average would be 95-100 if you want a solid performer. More likely to score 80-85

Jimmy

Ive gone too many but they're all worth a punt: Billings (surely too good to have another year like last), Dalhouse (was an absolute jet and i think a new club will get his numbers up), Miles, Viney, Smith, Roberton, Z Williams, liberatore, mumford and corey ellis. So thats 10 mid pricers :O

Tyruddanaut

Billings. Yes, will likely increase midfield minutes and/or usage rates.
Dalhaus. No, his large scoring relied on his role as an inside midfielder, but Selwood, Dangerfield, Menegola, Kelly and Duncan will give him a similar role to Doggies.
Miles and Smith. Definitely (I would say Ellis but his preseason is interrupted. I still have him)
Williams in unproven and isn’t actually great value considering players after a year off don’t average very well and he struggled to avg over 90.
Libby Viney. Both are ok. I wouldn’t rely on huge scores and put them in a similar bracket to Williams.
Mummy is starting the year with 3 week suspension, hasn’t played for a year, and is oooooollllllldddddd. Might not have great JS anyway

Mongrel punt

Two players from Collingwood that may be cash cows as well as giving us good weekly scores are Darcy Moore and Jaime Elliott.
Both sub 300k. Both in Best 22. Moore looks like he'll benefit from a permanent half back position and will take the kick outs.
Elliot will make money and should be good for 80 point average.
I understand fitness concerns but all pre season signs are looking very positive.
Thoughts anyone?

The Ranger

I'll be keeping an eye on both Mongrel but the injury concerns are too great for me to start either.

Tyruddanaut

Oscar McDonald, Alex Peirce, Rischetelli, Bews, Reid, Thompson, Corr, Silvagni, Broad, Brown, OBrien, Bailey, Hipwood, Turner, Ballantine, McCarthy, Gallucci, McCartin, McCartin, Polson.
All fall under the bracket ‘best 22 and under 300k’. Jamie Elliot has never really been supercoach relevant and won’t earn you enough to be a worthy cash cow. Just dead weight that you don’t need come seasons end or a wasted trade. Pass.
Darcy Moore will show inconsistencies and might reach the heights people are expecting but he is in the same bracket as Jamie as well as not being a proven scorer

derek

nice spotting. i had Elliot on my watch list at the start of the pre-season, but had forgotten about him. no news might be good news.

Rick

I wouldn't be comfortable having either in my side. If either get injured you're going to have to find a sub-$300k replacement. Not a fun task.

Russty_

Hi MP, I'd rather go with Daniher if he's fit by round one, and a rookie, just can't trust Elliott and Moore with their injury histories I think..Moore's form is an issue too.

paul

What about Ford in the ruck interesting to see how he plays over the JLT

Tyruddanaut

R3 yes. No way R2 unless your R3 has better security. The only reason you should play fort on field is because of his scoring potential, not JS

Ja191

Need a forward rookie with good js/good output, is rankine worth the extra penny over Blakey?

Tyruddanaut

Neither of them are worth the penny. Think about Rankine, predominantly forward in the worst team. Blakey has never scored well and is a kpp anyway, terrible for first years. Have you got Young and Parker from St Kilda? Burgess (also risky but chance of playing defense), Cavarra? Push Setterfield forward if you can and run with 4 premiums

Ja191

Yeah was thinking about just having 2 premium forwards and 2 expensive rookies that will play rankine/rozee – want to take advantage of defensive changes whilst also having Gawn

Nice person

Smart Ja

Dann

I'm really confident Rozee & Rankine will be guns in years to come but even in their junior footy there were low possession high impact players, that's not going to equal SC points.

Tyruddanaut

I want to take a punt at R2 (two faced about that or Gawn) so I thought I’d look at all the rooks/ressies looking close to a debut.
Adelaide: O’Brien 136k
Brisbane: Smith 170k
Carlton: De Koning* 170k (3rd tall forward)
Essendon: Clarke 140k
Geelong: Fort 117k
St Kilda: Peirce/Longer 230/360k
Sydney: Naismith 251k

fatboyfat7

Not that I think this will happen, but in a recent article on another site they suggested Briggs might get some game time at GWS.

As much as I am against messing around in the rucks, I'm keeping a eye on Pierce over the JLT.

Maverick_

may very well all depdend on forts JLT. if he cements that ruck spot at the cats you could potentially start a mummy at R2 and play fort (R3) during mumfords suspension. Mummys last averages are 98, 98, 105 & 113. GWS wouldnt have got him back if they thought he didnt have anything to offer so at 320k he has some money to make for us along with fort. but all very risky!

i have grundy & goldy and they look to be locked in for my side.

JohnDJ59

You can take Naismith off the list, Sydney have said he won't be ready till round 4-6.

Dann

I like Tim English, need to see him in JLT & get some assurance he's got the no1 solo ruck job, despite still being liteweight I think he's got some really good scores in him. at the price if it goes pear shaped you can pivot to Mumford, Longer, Vardy ect.

BillyGoatGruff

Been a lot of talk about sweet out west he's a 202cm angry beast "I love getting inside opponents' heads, so I'll bring a bit of aggression in the middle.
"I give myself every chance to play round one, and there's no reason why I shouldn't think I can't.",
I didn't hear anything about Fort from hoppers v cats practise game

prizza

If Miles is getting a game hes gotta go in, perfect stepping stone to a premium and will watch viney in jlt before picking him as the new set up is up his alley for sure.

derek

i agree. but do you have him at M5 or M6

prizza

M6 Derek, please engage me with some of your wisdom, still shifting my side around but miles isnt going anywhere and i think if moore is fit he might be another who could gain a quick 200 large

Nice person

Of his 30 points a game?

Derek

Try setting up your team as Pure Guns and Rookies. Williams doesn’t make the cut in my opinion. Try having all your rookies $123k. Select your best Guns, look for some value, but get the best you can

Start with at least 13 Guns and 9 rookies and hopefully you should have some cash left over.

Try to start 3,5,2,3 guns. But you might go 2,6,1,4. If you want Merrett more than Witherden, just do it.

The key is how much cash do you have left.

I have $387. This is your play money and is what I could potentially spend on a midpricer. (Plus the $123k of the rookie). I have gone Williams for now, but the final decision will depend on where the rookies are.

If there are good rookies in defense I will look at a Greene in forwards or Milies in Mid.

Your Guns are your priority, they will hopefully be with you all season, the rest will come and go and only real purpose it to make you cash. Take your time and select your guns carefully. Of my 13 starting last year, I only finished with 9. The season before only 8. I made mistake and took too many injury risks.

neil demons delight

I am looking to go to D4 with prems as the def. rooks just dont appeal. Collins Williamson wigg Hore are too risky .2 maybe but 3 is a hell of a risk. At present I have 9 rooks 3 on each line and 13 solid prems and that to me looks dicey. The mid rooks look ok and the forward rooks look better than the def ones especially when looped to the mids.

derek

13 guns, 1 mid, 8 rookies

it doesn't really matter where the guns are.

It will all depend on where the rookies are. If there are 5 quality rookies in the guts, so be it.

hedski

I've fiddled around a bit with my team, punted B.Smith from D4.
Current mid pricers are Withers, Williams and Miles.
Set up is….(Premium/Midprice/Rookie).
Def – 2-2-2
Mid – 4-1-3
Ruck – 2
Fwd – 3-0-3
Miles being the only stepping stone hopefully.
It all comes down to the available rookies come round one, will probably change drastically.

The Ranger

I have almost the same set up Hedski only I have 1-2-3 in def. Still not particularly happy with that.
And I'm running with Libba at the moment, Northernsoul74 says he's up and about.

GloryDays94

Good set up mate ๐Ÿ‘

24MidPricers

Most of Carltons list is midpriced.
Players like cunningham, fisher, Dow, Kennedy, O'brien, petrevski-seton all coming into the prime growth stage of AFL players and have substantial talent and roll through the midfield.
Wietering, newman, marchbank have all performed significantly better than they did last year even Jones is capable of upping his ave by 20 if he's fixed a couple weaknesses

_Kyle

I reckon you need to change your name to 22MidPricers. Imo the only 2 relevant players at the blues are cripps and simmo. Cripps being a no brainer.

There are a lot of mid pricers however i feel there are far more tempting mid pricers on every line outside of the blues (williams, witherden, miles, greene etc)

Sharkmove_King

M.Hibberd. T.Lynch. that is all

_Kyle

Not keen on lynch at all. The best forward in the worst team doesnt equate to the best forward in the best team. Hes got a lot more quality players around him at richmond as well as snags higgins and reiwolt who will kick plenty of goals. Averages between 78-93 since 2014 as the million follar forward spearhead in a team doesnt really scream pick me

NoLanguage96

Maybe Hibberd. No to Lynch

Clarko

Hibberd could benefit from the new format

Shaun

Any leagues to join lads play to the end ?

derek

i have a $20 cash league that has one place left.

email me at [email protected] and i'll give you the code

Colin

Guns n Rooks, all welcome Code 750314

chris pepperall

in, cheers

Holty01

After Sharkmove_King’s comment about Walsh vs cheaper rookies created a lot of discussion, it got me thinking. If people are so against starting an expensive rookie who looks the goods, why do those same people want to risk there money on mid-pricers who have never been SuperCoach relevant? This has been something I have been guilty of in the past. Just wondered what others thought of this?

WhoCares

I can't speak for everybody Holty but my primary reason for starting a mid-pricer is the expectation of him becoming a keeper who consistently scores above 95 if fwd or def and above 105 if a mid. That way it doesn't matter if he only makes 100k because he also saves me 100k by not having to trade him. McGrath falls into this category, he had the best first year of any #1 pick in my memory and has now erased his weaknesses and increased his engine and is going to slot into the midfield and is a DPP defender ala Brayshaw. Darling is a midpricer who would be premo priced if not for injury last year and I consider a Premo.
Secondary reason is points and $ A player who has a couple of years in the system is more able to withstand the rigours of senior footy and has a greater chance of playing more minutes every game and putting up consistent 80+ scores. I expect to trade these guys out around bye time unless they breakout.

Holty01

Nice reasoning. I like the McGrath selection as well.

WhoCares

I also try to have any rookies not averaging 70+ on the bench and I like to cash them out in rounds 6,7,8. having a high number of mid-pricers enables me to 'paint the fence' early. Players like Walsh are similar to McGrath and many are trapped into keeping them (sometimes onfield) for the sake of an extra 20k when butchering them early and keeping the cheaper lower scoring one could mean an extra 100-200 points and an extra 100k. (200 points is sometimes the dif between top 50 and top 400).
As per sharkmoves comments Mcgrath only made an extra 19k after round 6 Banfield made another 90k

FactCheck

So Banfield actually made 100k more than McGrath?
Has anybody ever seen Sharkmove and Scott Morrison in the same room? Seems like they're both great at speaking male cow manure

Sharkmove_King

Wasn't actually me who bought up McGrath vs Banfield so you might be wanna practice what you preach and check the facts there.

However, I thought it was an excellent camparison to make after 6 weeks which is exactly the time you should start trading them out….Unless of course Banfield was a keeper for you after you run out of trades?

DavidC

Agree 100%. I only select mid pricers if they are a chance to be a keeper otherwise you are just burning a trade. Miles, for example, would need to score enough to stay in the side at M8 or possibly cover at M9 during the finals.

Shake_n_bake

Wingard calf issues has pulled out of AFLX.

Rick Grimes

Any thoughts on Christian Salem? Some rumour of mid time, may also benefit from rule changes. Averaged 89 over last 10 games, although couple of fairly shittty scores in there.

skindog

They talked about him in the podcast

Lazza

Report on Melb today saying Salem will play more mid-field this season .. and take less of the kick-outs … more mid-field means more SC points … consider.

derek

who's mid field time will he take?

Nice person

Does that mean hib is on kick outs? Lock him in

JohnDJ59

Hi Rick, I mentioned Salem in my post on here yesterday, he isn't in my team as yet, but if one of the three mid pricers in my back line don't look like working out and Salem does, he will be in and yes he is a bit up and down, a big difference between his good and bad, when he's good, he's very very good, when he's bad, he's very very bad.

Gen

Ill be picking Hannebery is he looks on song in the JLT. He's a dual All-Australian star who should have plenty of footy left in him. Wont be a top mid but leagues above any other mentioned in this thread (pending fitness)

NiceGut

He's a broken down spud. Lift your game Gen that's an idiot consideration

Ja191

Ignore this idiot please….

skindog

Hes done a Hammy, never touch again, hes cooked

derek

anyone who isn't a keeper is there to generate cash. the faster the better.

if he can average 90 over the first 5 games, he will increase $132k. not bad.

Gen

My thoughts are similar. Not out of the question at all hey Derek

TommyC99

I’m currently running with this setup
Def: 1-2-5
Mid: 5-1-5
Ruc 2-0-1 (Grundy and Goldy)
Fwd: 3-0-5

Thinking that maybe I’ve gone one premo too deep. I could take out a premo mid (miles to M5) to strengthen the other lines depending on rookies.
Thoughts guys?

neil demons delight

It is fast becoming the issue Tommy that .M5 is the key and i am thinking the Miles for Crouch to free up cash to strengthen defence Your defense also must be weak with 1 2 5. I am looking at 2 2 4 with Miles good luck

TommyC99

Thanks for the reply Neil! My defense currently is Laird, Withers and Williams. If I take out Miles for a rookie id probably bring in Whitfield in defense

JohnDJ59

Mine is nearly the same, but I'm going with five premos and three rookies on field in the mids and three mid pricers in the back line. Def: 1-3-4 Mid: 5-0-6 Ruck 2-0-1(Grundy/Gawn) Fwd: 3-0-5

TommyC99

Yeah if i was to have 3 rookies in midfield, id be dumping Miles and just go 5-0-6

DILDOR

Is anyone looking at Jack Steele? I think he's a genuine gun in a Saints midfield thats begging for some class. He disposes of the ball quite well, tackles like an absolute bloody machine and can run the house down. Has had some natural progression and averages 94 from only 24 disposals per game. Interestingly in the second half of the year he spent the first quarter to half tagging the oppositions premium midfielder, after that he ran around by himself. I think this is less defensive and more to get him around the ball, in this time he averaged 112 with a high of 145 and a low of 81. He's priced at 512k and i think he could genuinely average around 108-110, especially if he can go from 24 to 28 disposals per game. Thoughts?

GloryDays94

Someone to watch in JLT and early season

skindog

Righto, i never pick high priced rooks, but Rozee and Rankine are looking good from all reports ive seen, and could both line up rd 1, anybody else considering either of them??

JohnDJ59

I did have both, but I just took out Rankine, thinking he might not see a lot of it playing for GC.

skindog

Yeah good call John, ive even got Walsh in now, wtf am i doing? hahaha

derek

i am hoping i will have some cash left over so i can squeeze Walsh in. reports are be is a tough bugga

skindog

Yep, killing it, looks like a lock, i hate high priced rooks, but hes in atm, His scores and averages are elite compared to first year'ers like Greene at some time, and he averaged 94 playing in the mids at gws, so for $207 and averge 80+, im in,,

derek

Lloyd to Whitfield i can go from a cheap rookie to Walsh.

skindog

That would be my move Derek, Lloyd has a niggle atm, not suer how bad but im nit taking him

JohnDJ59

I have four high priced rookies, Rozee and Quaynor in defence, Walsh in the mids and Setterfield in the fwd line. Al my other rookies are mainly $117,300 in price, I have one $123,900 rookie in the mids, all my bench rookies are priced between, $102,400 – $117,300.

skindog

Im growing cold on setterfield, he worries me, not heard enough of how hes going? have you heard much DJ?

JohnDJ59

I'm keeping him in there for now, we won't know much till the preseason comp, but at least by being a mid priced rookie we can downgrade to any $117,300 rookie if need be.

Holty01

I will only consider them if we don’t have enough cheap rookies playing rd1. Although I haven’t ruled Walsh out yet so I’m contradicting myself here.

skindog

HAHAHA Holty, agreed, Walsh is in atm, need to know rd 1 rooks,

Shake_n_bake

Gray also out of AFLX knee soreness

skindog

Grundy training away from main group with bandaging on his lower leg, this could be helpful, Beams doing full training and Howe still limping,

BrownlowBoy

For all those wondering about Walsh. This kid is a different beast compared to other top players drafted at the top.

The Ranger

There's certainly a lot of people bigging him up BB.
Looking forward to seeing what he can do.

Holty01

As a Carlton supporter I’m excited. I’m just concerned he won’t get the help he needs in our midfield. We do have Cripps obviously and Curnow, just hope a few more can step up this year.

BrownlowBoy

I've watched him play for the Falcons etc. As a bottom ager when the Falcons won the flag, he was huge. Was in the best players 10 times this year and 9 times last year.

Pretty sure he has the record for most disposals recorded as a bottom ager at the Falcons too. Averaged 32 disposals, five marks and five tackles per game in 12 TAC Cup matches this season too.

He won the best player in division 1 medal at the AFL Under 18 Championships, despite his team losing all 4 games and was named captain of the Under 18 All Australian team.

He's a very good runner as well, finishing second in the yo-yo test and third in the 2km time trial at the draft combine.

I'm not saying he's a lock in your supercoach team, but I wouldn't knock anyone going into round 1 with him or without him.

Playing against men will obviously be a whole different ball game, which he hasn't been exposed to like he would if he had been playing SANFL or WAFL footy.

Rick Grimes

I wasn't sold on Miles but the more I think about it he has to be a lock. Should average 90 odd and make you $150k. From there he could be and easy jump to a premo coming off a bad score. Thats one trade rather than a potential two you'd be doing with rookies. Makes sense…I think.

Rick Grimes

Plus he gives you good returns in the interim.

BrownlowBoy

My only worry is he is a one trick pony. A small midfielder, can't really play anywhere else on the ground. I don't expect the Suns to win many games or be very competitive, so the way SC allocate points for influence on the game, just because his stats may look good, he won't score well due to the impact on the game itself as the Suns will be losing majority of games.

Captain Risky

Agree with the logic. Hopefully he gets off to a good start. Gold coast have – StK, Fre, WB & Car in the first 4 games, about as easy as it gets.

Captain Risky

All home games as well.

Derek

Would you slot him at M5 or M6

Does he take a premium or a rookies place?

NoLanguage96

He's M6 for mine

AuroraBorealis?!

Does Williams coming back into the GWS side move Whitfield back into he wing role he previously held? Or would they both play running off the halfback flank?

Holty01

That is a good question. Let’s hope JLT gives us a better idea.
But if I had to guess now, I’d say the wing is more likely as Scully and Sheils are now gone so will be some spots in that midfield

AuroraBorealis?!

Cheers Holty, if he does move back into the wing role then i think he's crossed off my list, although maybe with more ball up for grabs he can improve that average of his. Who knows, JLT watch and wait ๐Ÿ™‚

The Ranger

Just my opinion based on what I've been reading lately AB but I think it might be those running, outside, wing type midfielders that might benefit most from the new 6-6-6 rule.
A few players have mentioned how they're noticing that speed away from the contest will be important and also having the tank to spread quickly from the centre bounce and get to the next contest and do that all day.
Be interesting to watch the JLT to see if there's evidence of that but it's pushed Whitfield up my watchlist as he has a good tank.

AuroraBorealis?!

Thats some solid info there Ranger, I didn't really think about how the rule change might effect wingers, will be eagerly watching the JLT. Cheers

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Agree reckon wingers will be big beneficiaries

neil demons delight

Kolojasnij might be an option also Trigg

Derek

I want to start with 2 of Lloyd, Laird or Whitfield.

Lloyd and Laird are there now, but Whitfield’s price is very appealing.