SuperCoach 2019 – Player reviews: Todd Goldstein

Old Goldy has been a serviceable ruckman for many years, but does he have what it takes to continue his form into the 2019 season? The new 6-6-6 formation rules look to be a potential boon to strong ruckman and Goldy no longer has to worry about Brayden Preuss potentially stealing hitouts from him. 2019 is looking like it has the potential to be a big year for him.

THE GOOD

Even when he’s had a “bad” year, he hasn’t really completely bottomed out. Since 2011 he has averaged over 100 SCPoints 6 times and the two times he didn’t he averaged 93 and 94.8 SCPoints. Not a bad streak at all! That consistency means you should feel more secure in plonking down a nice chunk of change for him knowing he’s likely worth the initial investment. His consistency score of 21.7, with a score range of 80-122 is only beaten by Stefan Martin and Brodie Grundy as well, which is another nice bonus. He’s the clear #1 ruck at the Roos, and likely won’t face any competition at all for gobbling up every hitout he can in 2019.

THE BAD

Rucks are a limited position with only two starting on-field, so most will look for a top 3 option when spending $548K on a player, but will Goldy be a top 3 ruckman by the end of the year? His average of 101 SCPoints last year ranked him 5th among rucks, but he was (along with everyone else) well clear of the top 2 rucks in Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn. The question likely isn’t what he’ll average, we have a clear indicator of what we will, but will that be enough to put him in the highest echelon of ruckman, which is what you want when you spend big $ on a ruck.

THE VERDICT

I like him, as a R1 option if you’re going with a cheaper R2, or as a set and forget R2 option. I currently have him slotted in as R2 paired up with Grundy and I think there’s an excellent chance he ends up as a top 3 ruck, especially if Gawn comes down to earth a bit with the addition of Preuss to the Melbourne side.

Community, are any of you considering taking Todd Goldstein as one of your main rucks? Let us know in the comments below what you think of Goldy for 2019.


47 Comments

Russty_ · 06/02/2019 at 20:42

Giday Barron, reckon I'll be sticking with Goldy to start, he's durable, and we know he can go big.
Worst comes to worse and he underperforms, could still cash in a rook and him for Gawny.
Hoping for a good year from him now he's past the worst of his problems, personal and physical.

    Barron Von Crow · 06/02/2019 at 22:08

    History suggests even if he under performs he won't be a total disaster, which is good. As you say, if you're skilled/lucky with trades he can be upgraded and it shouldn't take all the money in the world to do it.

    Nice person · 07/02/2019 at 08:24

    What the hell is giday
    No offence intended

      Randomcliche2 · 08/02/2019 at 12:26

      phonetic pronunciation of g'day

    Scotty · 10/02/2019 at 21:59

    I am a north fan but do not rate him as a high scoring consistent ruckman

    He is on the decline i think and is going to continue to drop, he will have a lot of TOG especially with majak out and won’t be as effective
    He will have his good games but will have a lot of stinkers

    Grundy and Gawn combo is surely a lock for most, both score at a ridiculously high level and can be left alone all season. Averaging 130s is the benchmark for them and if you look at goldy to score 100s on average that is a 30 point per game difference, for $150k difference i am happy saving the risk and spending up on rucks. SC is generous for their ruck styles

Michael · 06/02/2019 at 21:12

Grundy and Goldy for me. I've made my team work around them. I don't feel comfy with a cheaper option like Naismith or Longer, or a rookie like Fort. And don't feel Gawn will be the monster he's been in the past. But JLT will hopefully reveal more.

    Barron Von Crow · 06/02/2019 at 22:09

    Up until JLT it's all a big question mark on Gawn, but like you, i've made my team work around Grundy and Goldy and other than Stef Martin, don't really feel super comfortable in the rest of the rucks.

hedski · 06/02/2019 at 21:28

I have Grundy/Gawn for now but Goldy is pretty much the only other bloke I'll look at.
Cheers BVC.

    Barron Von Crow · 06/02/2019 at 22:11

    Seems like you've got one line set at least!

_Kyle · 06/02/2019 at 21:52

Grundy goldy is the way to go this year i reckon. Too many ?s about gawn with the addition of preuss so save yourself 150k to bolater the other lines

    Barron Von Crow · 06/02/2019 at 22:10

    Even if Preuss doesn't play much during the pre-season and Gawn starts off solo there's gonna be that season long question mark over Gawn if Preuss is lurking in the background. I just can't see him moving to Melbourne unless he was solid on the idea of getting game time.

      Ja191 · 06/02/2019 at 22:53

      We did say that about cox tho with Grundy, is it possible preuss plays a similar role and doesn’t interfere with Gawn?

        guest · 15/02/2019 at 11:44

        Cox didn't leave another team in the search for opportunity though

James · 06/02/2019 at 23:39

The smartest option IMO is to start Grundy and westhoff with a Ruc/fwd at r3.
I believe westhoff will average at least 95 which will make him a forward premo if not very close. Therefore my plan is to eventually trade a forward swing westhoff to the forward line and pick up the highest performing ruckman. This will allow me to have cover incase one of my rucks go down..

Thoughts?

    Carleton · 07/02/2019 at 05:59

    The most sound reasoning here! All these people picking Goldstein blows my mind. Westhoff is a much better pick.

      Westy · 07/02/2019 at 06:20

      That’s my secret move too.

    The Ranger · 07/02/2019 at 07:48

    Westhoff has too many questions over his role this year for mine.
    He won't be rucking at all with Lycett coming in so does he go back on a wing?
    Will he play full forward if Dixon doesn't get up?

    Luke · 08/02/2019 at 16:26

    Agreed. I can’t see a better option at this point

    Russty_ · 08/02/2019 at 23:14

    Hi James, I guess it depends on which Fwd you decide to trade to bring in the highest scoring ruckman, chances are that'll be Gawn so you'll need plenty of cash from the fwd you trade out, who were you thinking of when the time comes ?…If Gawn does a Gawn you could need to come up with an extra 200k or so.
    It could also hurt not having Fort or Sweet at R3 for the money they could make if they play.
    Also, with Ryder and Lycett rucking this year not sure how Westhoff will go not getting those extra rucking points…anyways it's all speculation mate, good luck with your plan and I hope it works out for you.

The Ranger · 07/02/2019 at 07:50

Grundy/Goldie for me too.
Goldie is over his depression and injury niggles and will have a big year. I hope.

NoLanguage96 · 07/02/2019 at 09:11

Nice analysis BVC. Big Goldy is tearing up the track and has reportedly shed some kegs so we may even see a return to his best, which is scary good! Currently R2 for mine 🙂

TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 11:00

I'll be starting 3 cash cow rucks this year and have an extra mid prem and def prem.
I predict that the rules tweeking will result in greater transition speeds and the switched on clubs Melb/Pies/Eagles will be playing beanpoles at either end to take ruck duties and using their main rucks as mid ground defenders. It could mean a massive increase for the likes of Brundy and Max but could also just as likely result in a 20pts+ decrease.
My cheapies wont lose $ either way and when I know what's really happening I'll send send the cows to the slaughter house and get the best 2 for possibly 200k less.
Set and forget with the two best rucks has never resulted in a Jock Reynolds community member finishing top 100 so, maybe its time to change it up a bit.

    Whitey · 07/02/2019 at 12:03

    I like the idea but im nervous about Longer, Naismith, Fort, Brookesby etc having enough job security to amke enough money and guaranteeing I will be able to put 2 rucks on the field each week. Makes the rest of my team look amazing though, decision, decisions.

      TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 12:20

      I don't think the saints have any option but to play Longer. I'm not touching Naismith or Brookesby. I'm currently running Lobb, Longer, Fort and hoping that Longer and Fort will let me put Lobb at F5. It's unconventional I know but when I looked back at my SC history I noticed that my 2-best finishes over 10 years were the two years that I didn't finalise my Rucks until rounds 6-10.
      It's only a game and same-old same-old is neither interesting or courageous

        kevwal · 07/02/2019 at 12:44

        Hi TMitch, like your thinking, but I have just placed Westoff R1 with Bines as doughnut and swing at F8, structure now 4-5-1-3 with one mid-price in midfield, doesn't look too bad at all. May fold closer to Rnd 1, but the team balance and value for money looks pretty good with Hoff/Longer/Fort combo.

          TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 14:21

          It can't hurt Kevwal and it gives you an instant POD. It's also not unheard of for a gun ruck to suffer a sore toe or other slight niggle early and miss a game.

            TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 14:48

            Regarding rucks taking time off; tiny sample from 2015 onwards only. I can't be stuffed doing full career for the top 10 unless I got my own page.

            Gawn in his breakout year (2015 went from 62SC to 102) missed the first 9 after starting as sub in the 4th practise game.
            2016 didn't miss any
            2017 missed rounds 4 to 13 with a hammy
            2018 didn't miss any.

            Grundy only played 6 and 15 in his first 2-years
            2015 missed rounds 11,12,13,14 one being bye
            2016 missed round 1
            2017 missed 21 and 22
            2018 didn't miss any
            2019 has been hampered by a toe complaint, lets hope it's not a Sandi-like Turf Toe

            Goldstien
            Is a bit like Simmo and hardly ever misses a game even when injured the week before
            2016 missed rounds 11 and 15 one was a bye but he left ground in round 10 with a sore knee
            2017 missed rounds, 2 ,18 and 19
            2018 didn't miss any

            Kreuzer – hahahahahaha we all know he misses heaps

            SMartin
            2015 missed rounds 11 and 15 (bye 15?)
            2016 missed rounds 15 and 19 (bye 15?)
            2017 didn't miss a game
            2018 didn't miss a Game

            Sandi
            2015 didn't miss
            2016 only played 5
            2017 only played 10
            2018 only played 11

        Whitey · 07/02/2019 at 17:03

        True, true, my best finish was the year I started Sandi and Witts, you should be a salesman, think you might have convinced me.

    paul · 07/02/2019 at 16:43

    There is enough really good rookies around why take the chance you may need to pay a little more for them tho.For me its a wait and see with the JLT.

    The Ranger · 08/02/2019 at 07:00

    it's a ballsy move Tmitch.
    Essentially you're running two midpricers in the ruck position so does that mean you're pure G'n'R everywhere else?
    It's the locking in two trades bit that would worry me, there's no way Lobb, Longer or Fort are going to be in the top 3 rucks come season end.
    I like to start the season with as many keepers as possible.

CalebCripps922 · 07/02/2019 at 12:21

Got Grundy and Goldy at the moment, love them both as options with no Pruess i think Goldy will thrive.

TRIGGA_HAPPY · 07/02/2019 at 12:52

Nice on BVC.
I think rucks are going to be the biggest headache this year.

To Grawndy or not to Grawndy that is the question.

Goldy is a pretty good alternative.

Though when he does have a rest who covers in the ruck? Pruess – no. Majak – no. Who.else? Will that mean he will spend more time on the ground and be buggered in final qtr?

Currently in one of my iterations.

One with gawn. One with Goldy. One with Vardy.

Not sure if you got the league invite but the Happy Place is open for business and up and running again
Look forward to locking horns in 2019.

    TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 14:22

    Spud McKay has been impressing at the the Hoppers Trigga he might take a few ruck contests down back; if he gets a game.

    _Kyle · 08/02/2019 at 20:38

    Reckon i could jump into happy place again this year mate? Gotta defend my title 😉

      TRIGGA_HAPPY · 08/02/2019 at 23:23

      Sure mate.
      Didn't you get an email?

        _Kyle · 09/02/2019 at 00:33

        Legend. Must have just completely missed the email. In now

skindog · 07/02/2019 at 17:58

These Rucks are doing my head in, do you go all out on the big spend, or go down a few rungs and use the cash else where? or save the coin if things go pearshaped and make the dreaded corrective trades early? ahhhhhhhhhhhh

    skindog · 07/02/2019 at 18:03

    Im so back and forth with this, Big Boy is coming into calculations, missed % games last year,1 being the bye, so 4 more tons would have upped his average, Ceglar being back and playing games will give him the rest he needs to play out a full 4 qtrs, and likes to lurk up forward and kick a couple of snags??

      TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 18:55

      Big Boy is a great option if you want security of scoring but don't want to spend big$. remember the cost of a trade is about 100k and you will have to trade him out at some stage. If you're prepared to make a 50k-90k loss on that line go for it otherwise grab the cheapies and minimise the loss on the ruck line whilst pumping up the points on another line.

      So many options but I'm over the set and forget strategy for rucks, it costs too much.
      Having bargain basement rucks let me start danger, Smith, Heeney, Darling, Fisher and Lobb for ruck security up front. Lloyd, Laird, Andrews, Smith Roberton down back with 5 keeper mids

        kevwal · 07/02/2019 at 19:38

        You are right TMitch, bit sick and tired of same-old-same-old, SC is a game after all. Love the ruck idea. Love the idea of trying to generate points and 100>150k from unexpected player options. 5-5-5 here I come.

          TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 23:07

          Throw caution to the wind kevwal and let the chips fall where they may

    Skindog · 07/02/2019 at 20:54

    Hey TMitch, I’m more thinking that big boy and the like will have decent scores and shouldn’t drop much if any in price and Gawn and Grundy will drop in price and then snare them if they are in fact the 2 to have, shouldn’t be too much coin to upgrade, also my side looks stronger on all other lines,,

      TMitch · 07/02/2019 at 23:06

      I agree that BigBoy will hold his price skindog the loss I was referring to was the trade cost when you trade him out, the boffins say a trade is worth about 100k. I prefer your strategy to taking the risk on Max and Brodie. Brodies toe is reason for concern even if he does lineup for round 1 those toes on the big blokes seem to be fickle little digits and it might only take a sly stomp from fort to put him out for 3+ weeks

        Skindog · 08/02/2019 at 08:50

        True mate, but we have to take some risks in this game, going along with everyone else like cattle just won’t cut it, there’s a bit of skill involved but a lot of luck, and yes Grundy turf toe? Sandi style, could prove huge, even thinking Martin Goldy line up, time will tell, good luck with your season TMitch👊👊

CJ84 · 07/02/2019 at 19:40

Have not taken Gawn and Grundy out of my preseason team since gold picker opened up.
Just got to look for value elsewhere, or start 13 solid premos and rookies.
Cox curse is a myth that will be busted this year

Dave · 17/02/2019 at 22:59

No one mention Nankervis, is he not worth it?

    JohnDJ59 · 18/02/2019 at 14:08

    I currently have the Grundy/Gawn combo, but if either of them don't look like working out, Nank will be the one taking their place.

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