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PODCAST: The Group Chat debuts

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Gday community, we’re back at it again as Damo, Lek and Patch sit down to sift through some of the early issues in Supercoach 2019.

They discuss whether to Dusty or not to Dusty, if Fyfe truly is Lyfe and if Kelly got you… jelly? I dunno. We talk about Josh Kelly.

We also go on a stark raving, deep divingly mad look at some ruck statistics – or rather, Patch rants and raves while the other two sit quietly and indulge him.

We also talk early-season injuries, deal with some community comments and insult Patch about everything, because he deserves it.

How are ya travelling, folks? What questions do you want us to cover?

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Boris_Baconbeer

First Yay!! Looking forward to a great pod as usual 😀

Lekdog

Cheers B-Man, let us know what ya think. Ask some questions next week too 😉

Boris_Baconbeer

And I can confirm, it was definitely a great pod pod :D. Toying with the idea of one of these old names to save money somewhere Hanners, Bennell, or even Birchall for a back-line pov buy. If there is a lack of rooks there he may be the pov buy worth going for. Of course provided he or Bennell play. Early Days though and after my disastrous Wietering pick last year just to be different, I'm scared of doing any of the aforementioned players. Talk me out of it 😀
Edit: oh I know they ain't pods but they probably should be.

Lekdog

Bennell or Birchall if they're fit to play early are worth the risk, Hanners isn't

Derek

Put a line through Birchall. Very best case is play round 4, more likely round 8 or 9

Nick

Dangerfield is a POD right??

Lekdog

Sure

WTFoxtrot_58

Nudge nudge wink wink say no more say no more!!

Lazza

If you don't have him your team will have a POD……

guest

he's not a bad pick actually

HighEnergry

Are we talking Patrick Dangerfield here or this younger brother Gilbert? I don't see Gilbert getting a run this season.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Lads looking forward to having a listen to the new pod.

Travelling like swanny and dusty on a vegas trip. 😁

Q to cover.
Who benefits more from the new rules?

A. Defenders. Can play on out of goal square, man on mark 10m away.

B. Ruckman. Can take it out of the ruck and ruckman must come front on.

C. Midfielders. With 6 – 6 – 6 dont have to worry about a guy coming off the square and have free passage into fwd line.

D. Forwards. Can use hands/arms in back of defender to go for mark and have alot more 1 on 1 contests.

Theres a pod right there. 😏

Good luck ….

Lekdog

I love it Trig!

Boris_Baconbeer

Would B mean taller rucks better (or jump higher)?

Boris_Baconbeer

Or maybe Longer rucks will be better 😉

Lekdog

Pls no Boris!

Sharkmove_King

Probably D if any but I forecast that it won't make too much difference for any players.

Derek

Players like Sicily will be affected by the 6/6/6 rule. Hawks love the extra defender and he is the beneficiary.

SW Roosters

The 6/6/6 rule only applies as a starting point at each centre bounce. Once the ball is bounced and in play there is nothing to stop coaches rolling back a spare behind the footy.

I don't see the 6/6/6 rule having that much impact on intercept defenders such as Sicily.

Time will tell…..

TMitch

C.
Once the ball is bounced anyone can run through the middle/come off the square can't they? If yes then its absolutely no different to the rule that's been in place since Tom wills started the game. No change there

Tyruddanaut

Interested to see Jarrod Harbrow, made most kicks outs and decreased in midfield time significantly, is only 0.3% ownership. One to watch 🤞

Tyruddanaut

Conca. 392,300. Most likely will gain significantly more midfield time with Neale and Blakey out. 0.5%
Hopper 0.6%
Wayne Milera 1.1%

Lekdog

They great Damo mentioned him in the pod too…interesting

Dice_real

Pearce off Hanley one to watch too over JLT tyruddanaut if fully fit

Dave

Hey lads, where should I send some content for you're consideration?

Cheers!

Dave

Or your consideration.

Lekdog

Hey Dave I'll flick you and email on the account you've used to comment!

Dave

Cheers mate!

Sharkmove_King

The SHARKMOVE of 2019 is Michael Hibberd!!!! Forget about last year he just had a bad one….but this is an All Australian half back with solid scoring history sub 400k. Can't believe how much people are talking about the Brodie Smith's and Robertons but not this guy for a little more $.

There is another one I'm looking at that but he needs a good JLT. Doesn't need to dominate but needs to move well. That player is Tom Lynch. Idea would be to hold him up until his Round 14 bye and then trade to anyone player that will have already had a bye. Mark my words he is going to have some big games early (Jack & Caddy will too) until teams work out how to stop Richmond's forward line.

Derek

What can you see Hibberd averaging?

There are thousands of defenders who will average 70 to 75 this year. Will he do much better?

Sharkmove_King

95-100

Ralph

Didn’t Hibberd only score well playing as a loose defender? Will the 6-6-6 rule affect this?

Sharkie

Hibberd role change, he's done. Simple

Sharkmove_King

I'm experiencing some serious deja vu here gentlemen….I got the same comments when I'm mentioned Jack Macrae this time last year, and also Josh Dunkley didn't you guys say I should take a rookie instead? BTW, if u want a bulldog this year it's the Bont!

That's the beauty of a SHARKMOVE you always get negative comments before it's happened because nobody wants to do it…..That's what make it a SHARKMOVE!

Lazza

Not happy with you SK … now why did you have to go and mention the Bont … he's been in my team since day 1 … currently in 3% of teams… .. watch that soar now …

Rick Grimes

Agree the Bont is being overlooked, but still don't see him improving his average all that much. Hibberd no good. Lynch will be feast or famine. Could be worth it.

fatboyfat7

I had Lynch in my first draft that I posted but got put off with the query over him being ready for R1. In 2017 he was right up there with the forwards so with better supply he can easily push last seasons average up. Obviously the MAJOR concern is his knee. He he's named R1 he should be considered.

Hibberd? Yeah, nah…

Dice_real

I like the Hibberd call and rate him. Just don't see Melbourne using him to be supercoach friendly.
His last ton was 20 games ago

Donald Drumpf

🤣

TMitch

You're not going name every sub 400K player as a shark move like you did last year are you mate? It was funny for a little while last year but wore thin very quickly

Wombat

Dude you've been doing this for a couple of years now. In the preseason you predict 30 or 40 players to be the sharkmove for the current season and never get one right. Maybe if you predicted 5 or 10 and they actually improved or made good money you could keep coming here and posting stuff as if you actually knew something of value you wouldn't be annoying.But my 5 years old daughter could also name 40 players as a breakout or sharkmove and come back 12 months later highlighting the single one that worth something and claim she was a guru.
Stop wasting our time

Cogs

I agree. I actually miss wows analysis on players. Wasn't just random statements was often thought through very well

Rick

Can't have him. You don't 'just have a bad one' for 22 rounds. Pass

ToughBretts

Love the pod boys, excited things are starting up again.

Can I have your thoughts on Stephen Hill and Josh Smith (WCE from Collingwood)? (Both currently in my side)

Stephen Hill is set to take a lot of midfield minutes according to Connor Blakely, and priced as a 388k defender with 4 of his last 6 seasons with a 89+ average, with midfield expectations and still 28 years old. Why is he in 0% of teams?

And Josh Smith (244k fwd) has already set records at west Coast for their 2km time trial and is reportedly the fittest guy in the club. I think the Eagles are more than ready to move on from Chris Masten and wingmen with huge tanks usually do alright down the Optus Stadium wings (see: Gaff, Andy).

Are either of these guys categorically bad plays?

Sharkmove_King

I say do it, it's a big SHARKMOVE!!!!

Of the 2 I like Josh Smith better, mainly because of the price.

Stephen Hill not so sure. I have as only 3 of the last 6 seasons 89+ and 1 of those was off 18 games. So 2 seasons out of the last 6 (33%) have been successful years, but the last 2 have been write offs. It's a low percentage play imo.

Smith is different. He is younger and a change of club can kick start a guys career. He has averaged 70 in his career and it's very possible he could lift that by 15-20 points with a change of club. Main problem with him is if he is best 22?

ToughBretts

If Hill is fit I’m willing to take the gamble that he’s been playing out of position off half back, when he was drafted at #3 overall with the expectations of being an elite midfielder – has averaged 24.9 touches a game in a season before

I think West Coast would be excited about Josh Smith. So far he’s made a good of an impression as you can possibly make by the end of January. He’ll get a chance in JLT, if he takes it..

Derek

I read Hill had some problems with his quad. Hurt whenever he kicked the ball ( not good for SuperCoach), was expected to have a delayed start to season

ToughBretts

Yeah he’s coming off quad surgery I think but he’s been running since New Years so he should be good by April

Tyruddanaut

I heard something about Stephen Hill's scoring to be negatively impacted this season. I was considering him too. Don't take this as gospel because I don't know exactly what it was but take it into account

Patch

I'd need to see a lot more than time trials for Josh Smith in order to consider him, while Stephen Hill has the potential but depends a lot on his role. Don't mind them at this stage but certainly wouldn't be locking them in

Dan

Billy Hartung used to be up there with Smith and Hill at Hawks preseason runs…need I say more.

Xman

Who do we think are going to average over 100 this year as a defender?

Also Can anyone recall what was jake Lloyd’s roll was last year, did he score most of his points playing as a spare or did he generally have a man? Likewise with Whitfield did he score his points as a loose or did he just get good midfield minutes?

derek

Laird & Whitfield would be the only ones i think will average 100.

Lloyd had an amazing 2018…. too amazing if you look at his previous years. He will be affected by Mills back in team.

Sicily will be affected by the 6/6/6 rule, hawks love having him as the extra defender, he won't get that as much this year

Simpson will average 99.7 like every other year for past 30 years.

RoyWetard

I imagine that a team that wants a loose in defence would start the player on the wing before pushing back.

Tyruddanaut

Laird, Lloyd, Whitfield and Sicily are nearly guaranteed to. Simpson and Hurn would be in the next bracket and Ryan, Crisp, Andrews and Witherden have a shot. I wouldn't rule out Hibberd, Williams, Harbrow, Milera, Mills and Weller

SHU

brayshaw, bont, yeo or merret? i want to have pods but am struggling. not sure who to fit for who.

current midfield is macrae, cripps, neale, yeo, martin, setterfield, stocker, bewley (atley, ling, hind)

also thinking about starting with fyfe because freos first 3 games are insane but still not sure about his longterm fitness.

also, who is thinking a bit crazy and is tempted by lobb…?

ToughBretts

Yeo and Merrett, id wait and see with Neale. I’m a Brisbane supporter and I think he’ll kill it but I’d still like to see before I pay 600k for a guy in a new system in a pretty stacked midfield with Berry, McCluggage and Mathieson likely to spend a lot of time through there with Zorko

derek

i might be bias, but i don't see Yeo as an Uber, and at his price this year you would only get him if you think he is 110+

Neale will do well, however he might find things a bit different without a 7 foot ruckman tapping it down his throat.

merret can go Uber

The Bont i worry will become a perm forward. so many midfielders at the dogs now.

SHU

Neale won’t have to play alongside fyfe which should make it easier for him, and it’s not like he is leaving a good ruckman in Sandilands for a crap in Martin. Also I reckon with gaff gone for the first few rounds yeo could up his numbers even more. And that may be true about bont, I just expect him to blow up one of these years.

Dukes

Neales SuperCoach average is higher playing with Fyfe vs without and yeo also averaged more last year when playing with gaff vs without

Dukes

Agree about bont though, he just seems destined to have a 120 season

SHU

Wow didn’t know about neale and yeo, that’s interesting but yeah bont is tempting. What r people’s thoughts on brayshaw?

SHU

I think that won’t effect him at all, Neale was a gun with Fyfe mundy Stephen hill and all the other youngsters like cerra brayshaw blakely etc. also beams played well and it’s basically a swap of Neale for beams and neale is better. Also, you don’t trade such a high pick for a player of u don’t intend on him being elite.

Holty01

I’m actually concerned about bonts scoring this year. He has been a SuperCoach favourite to the people at champion data and when there are some extra points to be handed out to reach the 3300 in the game, Bont seems to be a benefactor because of his impact in a game. Now that there are extra points been given out with the kick in, there may not be as many extra points to give out which could mean the likes of Bont may no longer be the benefactor of as many extra points.

Tyruddanaut

I would say don't go for PODs. The only time you should pick a POD just because he is a POD is when you can't choose between more than one player.

That being said, I like Brayshaw and Merrett as under-priced options, but Brayshaw was too inconsistent and his scoring potential is going off 6 games within 8 late in the season. Merrett, on the other hand, is racing to be for round 1. Everyone thinks he will, but time off training is time off training

Wyld One

Do you magnificent gentlemen believe Caleb Daniel can be a genuine POD if he continues to play off the HBF as he did towards the end of last year?

Dukes

It’s a bold play but I like it if he continues that role

Who knows

A POD that I wouldn’t consider myself

Nice person

He's a pod for a reason

Sound

Patch could you invest in a decent mic?

Patch

Is this Lek's alt account?

The mic's not the problem, my inability to use technology seems to be the issue. I am working on making me not sound like I'm using a toaster.

derek

I've set up a Cash League. Nothing too rich. $20 per player should add a bit of interest. Winner take all.

email: [email protected]

if you would like to join.

I'll send you banking details and league code.

Only bad players need apply 😉

Only 4 spots left.

redgumwon

Hi Derek I've sent you an email with the Supercoach Draft league code if you're interested in playing again with us

Rivo

Great POD chat Lek, Patch & Damo. The Cox curse will surely disappear?

I’m starting with Grundy/Gawn combo (and Fyfe).

As for PODs, I have Higgins at F3, Brodie Smith D4.

My question though is which of these to start with…

1. Sam Walsh M6 & Collins D5, or
2. Foley/Atley M9 & Roberton D5?

Rivo

Any thoughts folks?

Dice_real

1 easy rivo

Rivo

Thanks Dice. Brain was getting scrambled. 👍🏽

Wombat

Collins and Roberton with Bewley.
Walsh is too expensive and Atley didn't find the Wizard of OZ during the off season to get a heart

Rivo

Cheers Wombat. Not a bad call. Will watch their pre season with interest. Already have Bewley, looks promising.

Lekdog

1 but I think Walsh is overpriced and won't generate enough cash, hope to be proven wrong

Sharkmove_King

I don't know Lekdog, I'm hearing the top3 of last year's draft could be close to being the 3 best players drafted in the last decade. Don't think the other 2 have a great SC game (yet) but Walsh on the other hand has massive numbers in everything he has played in.

Wombat

Boys and men Sharky
This century #1 draft picks first year SC average
2000 Nick riewoldt -43
2001 Luke Hodge -63
2002 Brendon Floggard-56
2003 Adam Cooney-47
2004 Brett Deledio-75
2005 Marc Murphy-70
2006 Bryce Gibbs-63
2007 Mathew Kreuzer-60
2008 Jack Watts-26
2009 Tom Scully-71
2010 David Swallow-80
2011 Jonathon Patton-45
2012 Lachie Whitfield-73
2013 Tom Boyd-44
2014 Patrick McCartin-37
2015 Jacob Weitering-68
2016 Andrew McGrath-71
2017 Cameron Rayner-60

Swallow and Whitfield both in teams full of young players so not a fair comparrison. Murphy and Gibbs at Carlton fair comparrison

Tyruddanaut

1 fo shoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
The blues are loving Walsh and McKay put a specific request to put him in your team!
Collins is a rebounding key defender in the worst team in the league

Rivo

Yep, reckon 1 it is for now. Thanks.

Patch

"The Cox curse will surely disappear?" – every Supercoacher, every year since 2013. Logically, Grundy is the best selection. Logically, there's no reason he won't continue to dominate. Logically, he's the biggest lock since Brendan Goddard in 2013. But I'm not basing my non-selection on logic here.

Hard to tell early on, but I'd go option two.

gator59

Thoughts on
Zerrett and Gawn.. Vs.. Fyfe and Kruez

Rivo

Option 1. Kreuz being held together by sticky tape.

Patch

Agreed

Tyruddanaut

Zerrett and Gawn. That's 44 games compared to 30 and 240 points compared to 210

Whitey

Kruez is injured again I think

gator59

They say he'll be right for round 1 Whitey

skindog

Wouldnt risk it Gator

neil demons delight

A GRADERS has finished well up the ranks for the last few years and I am looking for only 5 players from last year_NORMS REBELS Last years winner_BUCKLEYS A CHANCE david _THE WALL chris_UNWORRIED AND UNSULLIED Anthony_Deafness Nicholas 4th last year_This is without doubt one of the premier leagues so please let me know your team name should one of these are not playing THANKS GUYS NDD

neil demons delight

no

The Golden Ticket

Hey NDD, would love to be included if anyone of your regulars is unavailable. Managed to finish last year inside top 750 thanks to the help of the community. Let me know. Cheers

neil demons delight

I remember playing against you in a league and you were good Jump in and welcome 209085 Let me khow if you are in Also another 4 good coaches welcome

The Golden Ticket

Thanks heaps NDD just jumped in.

neil demons delight

good luck with the season cheers

gator59

Hey TGT if you want another top league jump into Magnificent 7… Code is…609300,,, This is invite only. Cheers Gator

The Golden Ticket

Thanks Gator, just jumped in. Best of luck. Cheers TGT

PizzaSafety

Only slight concern with Whitfield is the tag, got held to 67 by Neal-Bullen and to an 89 by Banfield but I guess not many teams will tag a half-back. I think he showed in the back half of the year that he can get even better so he's worth picking and it's very very difficult to see him not being at least top 6 in defence.

My mids at the moment are Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Yeo and Dusty. Will consider the likes of Macrae, Crouch and Zerrett depending on the rest of preseason and which rookies I choose. Only 5 players out of 14 have backed up 120 seasons with a 120 season since 2008 (Gaz, Swan, Pendles, Danger and Fyfe) and whilst I think Macrae can do it I have a slight concern with how he goes with extra attention, he was held to 98 by Banfield, 74 by Hutchings and to 10 disposals by Harmes in the 2nd half in their second games vs the dees. Fyfe and Kelly haven't had perfect preseasons but I think they're both good enough to overcome that. Kelly still finished top 5 in his time trial and you'd think he'd be a lot better this year than he was last year when he wasn't training much.

kevwal

Whitfield is a conundrum for me, I don't like putting two players from the same side on the same line (to start the season). I believe Zac Williams will average between 95>100, while Lachie will average 97>103. There is a $140k difference in price, is it worth the 2>3 point (possible) gain?

PizzaSafety

Yeah I feel like they can steal each others points but I expect Whitfield to spend more time on the wing with no Shiel and Williams back. That seemed to be the case in the two finals last year. I do think the two can also function together in the back line like Doch and Simpson or Hodge and Birchall.

kevwal

JLT may give a pointer as to what system the Hawks will use, might not either, Clarko is a cagey cove.

Wombat

Definitely both Pizza. Many would say that mushrooms and anchovies could never work together but a good Cappricossa is possibly the greatest pizza ever

Sharkmove_King

No, with your projections you have to go Williams or bite the bullet and go both.

PizzaSafety

A bit of exaggeration on the J Kelly injury proneness, especially if you think Coniglio is a safer option

J Kelly
2014: 18 games, missed 1 game to a hamstring, 1 to an eye injury (which is not to do with injury proneness), 1 game in the NEAFL, one as a sub
2015: 18 games, all games missed he played in the NEAFL
2016: 22 games
2017: 21 games
2018: 15 games, 1 games missed through concussion, 6 to groin issues

-He's only been injury prone one season!

Coniglio
2014: 14 games, 1 missed due to a shoulder, 7 to a thumb injury (not do with injury proneness)
2015: 18 games, 3 games to a shoulder, 1 to a hamstring
2016: 21 games
2017: 7 games, missed 15 games to ankle injuries
2018: 21 games

Where did you get the idea from that Josh Kelly has been a longterm injury problem?

Fyfe on the other hand does have a long history of injury.

2012, 9 games, missed 13 games to shoulder injuries
2013, 19 games, 2 games missed to suspension and was rested in R23, yes that was not an injured year.
2014, 18 games, suspended for 4 games, another example where he was not injured
2015, 18 games, 2 due to a thigh injury, 2 due to a leg injury
2016: 5 games, misses 17 games to a leg injury
2017: 21 games, 1 game missed due to a sternum injury and played about 6-7 games with a small fracture in his sternum his club didn't pick up on
2018: 15 games, 1 game missed due to suspension, 6 to a hamstring.

Since 2012 he has missed 41 games due to injury and 7 due to suspension. So Fyfe is very injury prone, there is no doubt. He has a very high ceiling and you have to hope and pray he can stay away from suspension and injury for a year, because if he does he could end up being a huge bargain.

But don't hate on Kelly, he was available for selection in 65/66 games in the three years prior to last season and 85/88 games in the four years prior to last season.

Lekdog

I think the worry comes from that groin though, blokes just get ruined by it.

Agree that it's probably overblown but they both consistently miss extended time, the reason is probably irrelevant.

Do you think they'll both play enough games to warrant selection?

PizzaSafety

Cheers Lek, but I don’t get what you mean by Kelly consistently misses games if that only happened last year and not his other years. Outside of the groin injury he’s been no worse than all the other top mids in terms of injury. Groin injuries are nasty but the majority of players get over them and move on with their careers so it’s more unlikely than likely he has any issues with that this year. The problem was he didn’t get surgery and hoped the issue could be managed instead, which proved wrong. The bigger problem is how slow he starts. Compare that to Fyfe who gets injured all the time in all sorts of ways so that it’s clear his whole body is injury prone and gets suspended, you know Fyfe will miss games but Kelly is just nowhere near the same case. Cogs has missed more games than Kelly the last 3 years and Macrae has missed 7 games in the last 3 years with hamstring injuries, Kelly has some risk based on one injury but not “injury prone”. Fyfe plays 17 and Kelly plays 20-22.

Lekdog

Understood, Kelly has never played a full season before though and misses 3-4 games on average, Fyfe admittedly misses a lot more. I'd rather just lock away Cripps and Neale and not even worry about these other two

PizzaSafety

Kelly has played a full season in 2015 (18 AFL games and 4 neafl games) and 2016 (22 AFL Games) and missed one game in 2017, like I wrote above. He had been unavailable for selection for 3 games between 2014-2017 and had missed 0.75 games per season from 2014-2017. I totally get not starting with Fyfe and I understand concern over Kelly's groin but he's just not in the same category as Fyfe as an "injury prone" player. Including last year where he missed 7 games through injury and on average he's missed 2 games per season in his 5 year career, you can't include games where he was playing in the reserves as a 19-20 year old as games that he missed

Lekdog

If we don’t count reserves games and disregard injury ruined seasons everyone is a good selection

PizzaSafety

Your point was about how injury prone he is, I'm sorry but how is him playing in the reserves as a 19 year old evidence of how injury prone he is? You said he's never played a full season when he has. Cripps played 3 games in 2014 but you can't add that to how injury prone he is. If you want to remove all context from the reasons why young players missed games early in their career then you have to say that Kelly has played 94 games (100 including finals) and Cripps 81 games since both were drafted in 2013.

Lekdog

I guess the language I used wasn’t correct. I said injury prone but probably should’ve said he tends to miss games (a lot of players do) but you’ve now convinced me that as long as he has no preseason hiccups with that groin he’s a good pick

PizzaSafety

All good Lek I was just saying games played in the neafl don’t count as a sign that he’s not dependable because now he’s a bloody star and not going to be anywhere near the neafl. The groin is still a concern so I understand you can be hesitant because of that. He still came top 5 in the time trial but did so last year as well so who knows if he’s really going well, I did hear people saying he was going well but who knows

neil demons delight

Marty Hore and Tom Sparrow turning heads at Melbournes Qld training camp both good options

JohnDJ59

Hi Neil, I've had both on my bench for a while now, so happy with that information.

Sharkmove_King

Melbourne's 22 is pretty stacked fellas, who cones out for them?

Wombat

Max likes a cone but the rest are pretty straight Sharky

GreendaleFC

We'll have to wait and see but Hore could possibly be Jake Lever's replacement for the first half of the year. Tom Sparrow has looked good at training and I have high hopes for him, but I struggle to see him making the 22 unless there are significant injuries.

Wombat

Hahaha you're a shocker NDD neither of them have a chance before round 6 unless the carlton curse moves south and 50% of the squad joins the injury list.

neil demons delight

Wombat appropriately named I know Gawn well not puffing now get it right before making comments like that. One of Hore or Sparrow will debut early the other not long..Both in my team. Melbourne are in Mooroochidore at present and one aim is the forwards. Smith Weideman Tommy Mcd and Preuss is their prefered option but Gawn not out of it Two defenders not a lock in the Dees are Lewis and Hibberd plus Smith going forward Oportunities are there for Hore or Sparrow

Wombat

You're a deadset Troll mate, who said anything about Max being unfit and puffing? A penchant for ice-cream doesn't insinuate a lack of fitness so pull your feral head in. As far as Sparrow and Hore are concerned you're as bad as Sharkmove, every year you name every melbourne player that is yet to debut as being the next big thing and never mention the players who breakout (brayshaw) get over yourself you've never ranked inside the top 1,000 in SC and probably never will

Ralph

No need to be such an asshat wombles

asshat

Sorry Neil

Ralph

Yeah mate I’m not Neil, sorry to disappoint.

Wombat

I've just been told what you were suggesting Neil.
If you actually did know Max you'd know that he's an ice-cream fiend.
I'm an athlete and like most people on this site I'm not part of the drug culture the you're so au fait with so when I saw the word cone I instantly remembered the big fella down at Loch always having a cone outside his mums cafe whenever he had a break.
You obviously don't know him any better than the other 90,000 in the stands at the G

neil demons delight

Actually you are wrong I didn't mean that..I meant .Max loves a fag and I was relating to that but I see your point with the cone connection. I live nearby to his mums shop at Phillip Island and bump into him quite often He helps out on weekends.and knows how dedicated a demon I am and have been for over 50 years . Sorry if you took it the wrong way and yes I do go overboard about dee players and haven/t finishefd top 1000 but like most fans I love my team I hope I am correct with Hore and Sparrow cheers

TRIGGA_HAPPY

I hope u r right too on hore and sparrow as be nice to have a couple of cheap rooks early esp in def

Though just not sure who comes out esp with viney and pruess in the 22?

Long way to go …

neil demons delight

Hi Trigg need to be at your best against Warney mate in ORIGIN. the coaches like Hore's precision kicking Salem and jetta are also reliable kicks so it will be tough and Sparrows body is there already but the mids are well served too I will back both in

RoyWetard

I've tried to put together what I think the best starting team from last season was.
Defs
Laird 550,800, Simpson 516,300, Hurn 487,200 (Murray 123,900
Sicily 402,800, Doedee 123,900, Finlayson 123,900 (Murphy 102,400
Mids
Mitchell 653,500, Oliver 612,800, Macrae 587,800, Cripps 537,300 (Banfield 123,900
Coniglio 452,400, Jacobs 200,100, Kelly 117,300, Holman 102,400 (Fogarty 117,300, Garlett 117,300
Rucks
Grundy 534,700 Gawn 503,700 (Olango 102,400)
Fwds
Heeney 536,300, Westhoff 479,600, McLean 470,200 (Waterman 123,900
Smith 439,100, Darling 397,900, Fritsch 117,300 (Ryan 117,300
Remaining Salary – 124,300k
If somebody advised you a week before the start of last season to pick this team. Would you have followed their advice?

Tyruddanaut

No!
I would steer clear of Hurn and Simpson, but I had everyone else in that backline anyway.
No love for Dangerfield? Only finished 5th overall. Macrae would be a bit too risky and who was Jacobs to anyone who didn't like Norf. The rest of the players, minus Fogarty, found their way into the team start of R1.
Grundy scorched me the year before so no way Jose.
Didn't know Westhoff was in supercoach at that point and frankly didn't care. Darling wouldn't be considered and I had the rest.

Overall: I had over 2/3rds (!) of the players by round 3 (Traded for Sicily and McLean) but still had a shocking season. It really shows its a marathon, not a sprint.

RoyWetard

Danger missed round 1 and had a slow start (by his standards)

Valens_FC

Great post Roy… very thought provoking in terms of what is the ideal starting structure. Last year was a really good year for rookies (especially mature age), but it didn't absolutely lend itself to a straight Guns n Rookies structure when you consider that Sicily, Coniglio, Smith, McLean, Westhoff and Darling (could have you got Hawkins in that place?) were all ultimately good starting selections.

RoyWetard

Darling had a strong first half while Hawkins had a strong second half of the season. (Looking back I should've put Fyfe in for Oliver.)

Dan

I had 21 of those players and still had prob my worst year in 5 yrs. Doesn't take much to be 1-3 players off and be playing catch up all year.

M-Town Ballers

I had most those guys and was 19th by round 7

gator59

Hi to John Team name Black Flag… I have to leave you league Holy Grail due to having to go into Dereks cash league

Sorry and I hope you fill your league with top coaches… Cheers Gator

JohnDJ59

Hi Gator, sorry to hear that, but at least you joined, most couldn't due to being maxed out, so good luck in the cash league.

gator59

Sorry mate but i'm all maxed out also.. GL mate

TMitch

Something for the Worpedo fans to digest
James Worpel
11-career games including 2 finals all games virtually without an opponent due to King Tom getting all of the attention
3 x below 40 including 1 final
3 x 40-70 including 1 final
4 x 70-100
1 x 100+ Vs Carlton
Opponents- Saints,Bombers,Lions,Blues,Freo,Bombers,CatsSaints,Swans mostly poor opposition with mediocre midfield depth
Finals Vs tiges and Dees
11 game average 67.9
2019 SC price $395,700 his B.E. is already 4 points higher than his average
Without TMitch he'll get a qualified opponent.

Zac Fisher
34 Career games no finals
2018
1 x below 50
7 x 50-70
7 x 70-100
2 x 100+ including 117 Vs Premiership eagles
First 6 game ave 88 – Season ave (injury affected) 72
First 6-games 2018- Tiges,Suns,Pies,Hoppers,Eagles,Dogs apart from suns all have strong midfields with good depth
2019 SC Price $392,800 equals his B.E. but 16 points lower than his first 6-games average

TMitch

I forgot to mention that worpels finals average (when he had an opponent) was only 45.5

Wombat

Aaaaargghhhh! Why'd you have to do that? Now that Titch is gone NOT having Worpel was going to be my early POD. Now you've alerted everybody that when he has an opponent he's actually spudpedo.
Thanks mate, not. I might have a look at fisher during JLT though

PJ8

Good piece

Sc_Wow

This is garbage. He was not in the midfeild for a lot of those games so your theory of virtually no oppenent is false.

Without Tom Mitchell there will be a lot more possessions and midfeild time going around.

There was a bloke with a average of 70 in his first year didn't even crack a ton, in his second season he was the 5th overall points scorer.

Zac fisher has just had more games to prove that he is mediocre

Chances are this comment gets removed because it challenges the option of the Jr community

Wombat

You are obviously not WOW (more likely NDD trolling again) because your comment is totally wrong
Vs Carlton Wing = midfield
Vs Freo rotating through midfield
Vs Essendon rotating through midfield
Vs Geelong Wing = midfield
Vs StKilda Rotating through midfield
Vs Sydey splitting time midfield and forward
QF Vs Richmond rotating through midfield
SF Vs Melbourne rotating through midfield

Maybe do some research before your next trolling attempt mate.

Sc_Wow

No it is wow. And you've just proved my point, a few rotations is not the same as full time mid. I had worp in my team last year he played a lot in fwd line.

wombat

I didn't prove your point mate I blew your point out of the water and cooked it on the bbq.
The data/facts backed up exactly what I said
You claimed he didn't play midfield in most of those games I showed you that he did play midfield in most of those games.

Maybe this year if you pay attention to people who obviously know a lot more about this game than you do you won't go backwards every week after the byes like you usually do 🙂

SC_Better_Than_you

If you had've started Seedsman last year like I suggested and got Brayshaw before his price rise like I suggested you could have got your first top 100 finish. But instead you chose to call everybody wrong and crashed and burned hahahaha. Unlike me who again stormed into the top 100 after being 2,000+ at bye time.

Hio

This is garbage. He was not in the midfeild for a lot of those games so your theory of virtually no oppenent is false.

RoyWetard

What I believe to have been the best starting team of 2017, This was soooo much harder than the 2018 team.
Defs
Docherty 591,600, Adams 527,900, Laird 526,800 (Otten 123,900
Marchbank 236,100, McGrath 211,800, Hampton 160,000 (Stewart 117,300
Mids
Neale 612,800, Sloane 591,000, Dusty 588,300, Mitchell 565,600 (Petrevski-Seton 189,300
Kelly 473,800, Murphy 432,500, Oliver 382,500 , Powell-Pepper 135,300 (Pickett 123,900, Parfitt 117,300
Rucks
Kreuzer 398,000, Witts 217,600 (Strnadica 102,400
Fwds
Dahlhaus 520,700, Macrae 511,700, Yeo 409,200 (Houston 117,300
Nankervis 366,400, ANB 264,400 , WHE 213,300 (Butler 123,900
Remaining Salary – 47,400k

TMitch

are you selling tickets for a ride back to 2017 in a time machine Roy? If yes, I'll put 100K on Dusty for the Brownlow if no, whats the point of the post?

RoyWetard

I was interested in seeing what the best starting team from past seasons were to see if it could help with this year.

Ewoks*Stormtroopers

Hop on League 556895. Hoping to go top 1%, get on it!

Richard

Looking to get into a cash league this year. Let me know if any are abailable please. Cheers

Such is Fyfe

Hey mate, I'm setting one up.. Email [email protected].

Currently got 10 in a Facebook chat who are all keen, just haven't finalised all payments yet. Can add you to that if you're interested!

$100 prize structure as follows:

18 entrants x $100 fee = $1,800 prize pool as follows.

Champion – $625
Runners up – $300

Minor premier – $100
Highest score of the year – $100
Consolidation award (Winner of Bottom 8) – $100

$25 weekly to the highest score of the week, in the unlikely event the highest score of the week is tied both will be paid $25 and the latter comes off the champion’s prize end of season = $25 x 23 = $575

Aiming and expecting to fill all 18 spots, but it is my first year running my own cash league so unsure if all spots will if they don’t: back up plan would be in the event a non-paying floater wins any of these awards would go to the next best paying player in the league.

bazzaboy

just sent you an email about joining up

Intel Design

Sending you an email.

Derek

Email [email protected]

I have 3 places in a $20 cash league

Maverick_

How do we feel about Miles &Libba do we start one? two?
last year i started Coniglio (you beauty!) & libba (buuuuuurrrnnn)
currently have miles locked in but tempted by libba again… oozes so much class when his up n going

gator59

Hi Mav you wanted to jump into my league .. The Rat Pack.. Just let me know if you still want a spot .. If so I'll free a spot up for you

Maverick_

Cheers gator I’d love to jump in if you have a spot

gator59

Code is 322190 and give me your team name

Maverick_

shinBONERS gator

Ja191

Libba is just too injury prone for me mav plus his role is uncertain. Miles on the other hand is a lock for me if you can fit him in, being a tiges supporter he knows how to get the pill and is very durable

NoLanguage

I'm starting Miles and Hall pending JLT. Passing on Libba

Derek

Libba’s price is appealing. If Greene doesn’t play round 1, I can see Libba being a good option. Also depends where the rookies are. Libya not in my team yet, but he only needs to finish JLT with no injuries and he will be close

PJ8

Great chat boys. Starting to get serious now…

TMitch

LDU was the most hyped rookie of 2018 and in 2019 he's only $8,200 more expensive than his 2018 starting price and $9,800 cheaper than Walsh.
IF LDU was a 'LOCK' in 2018 without having a single AFL game experience why isn't he a super lock in 2019 when he's cheaper than Walsh and has 7 AFL games experience?

Such is Fyfe

Because we know he's a rubbish pick, both of them are. Rookies are there to make $, #1 rookie always overhyped and will always make less cash than basement rookies. Just about trying to find the right ones with good job security.

BrownlowBoy

He wasn't a lock though that's the thing.
No expensive rookies are ever a lock.

Derek

$100k more you get Libba

neil demons delight

or WEIDEMAN

hedski

There is a good article at AFL.com.au about every team's kick-in specialists, it's a good read check it out.

Krupa

Early days but would like some advice lads. Ruck area I know looks dodgy. Maybe Midfield too deep? Could trade the bont or dusty down to a mid pricer then upgrade mumford. Im stuffed for rounds 1 and 2 if Clarke doesnt play to cover Mummy.

Def: Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Williams, Rozee, Collins ( Goddard & Wigg )
Mid: Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Bont, Dusty, Stocker, Constable, Bewley ( Collier-dawkins, Valente, Hind )
Ruc: Goldy, Mumford ( Clarke )
Fwd: Danger, Smith, Dunkley, Setterfield, Corbett, Petruccelle, ( Burgess & Cavarra )
Cash left over $53,000

PJ8

I wouldn’t be selecting Mumford even with cover. Think you need to make that change that you mentioned and upgrade him.

I like the midfield. I’m a big believer on spending big there so personally wouldn’t change it, but if you need the funds for Mumford you might have to. I have a similar but even more spend in the midfield but much less in defence. Maybe make a change there to free up dollars.

Krupa

Thanks for the feedback its appreciated

JohnDJ59

Agree with PJ8, a Grundy/Goldy is probably the minimum that you would need in the ruck, you could downgrade Whitfield to a rookie to make that happen, both your mids/fwds seem fine.

Sellars1226

Anyone know who Collin O’Riordan from Sydney? Is he promising will he get much game time ?

NoLanguage

Anyone else considering Salem? Averaged 104 the last month and Melbourne love it in his hands coming out of the D50. New rules will help him too

Adam

Shhh Mate. Dont tell the community about a potential POD who may, thanks to the kick in rules, average an extra 5 points per game AND is at 23 years old with a fairly reasonable price tag.

The Ranger

On the watchlist

hedski

Testing

hedski

Ok it's working now, tried to post before but went to administrator for some reason.
There's an article on AFL.com.au about every team's kick-in specialists that is worth a look.

hedski

Ah crap

gator59

Already read it hedski.. Still makes you none the wiser on who will benefit most

hedski

True Gator, just gives you an idea of who takes the majority.

Lekdog

Hey mate, comments with links need to be approved and I can’t always get to them straight away! Other than that you should be all good to go!

hedski

Cheers Lek 👍

gator59

Coming in loud and clear Hedski

Ja191

1234

PizzaSafety

Def: Sicily, Whitfield, Witherden, Williams, Quaynor, Hore (Brownlow medalist Tobe Watson, Burgess)

Mid: Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Yeo, Dusty, Walsh, Bewley Hind (Stocker, Constable, Atley)

Ruck: Grundy, Gawn (Fort)

Forward: Danger, Heeney, Wingard, Setterfield, Corbett, Cavarra (McAdam, M Parker)

47k in the bank, going to use that on the rookies I imagine and spare 20-30k. Zerrett out of contention to start in my side with his syndesmosis, he should be a good post bye get. I think Walsh will be worth the cash because his junior numbers are through the roof and record breaking (34 points more per game than brayshaw at u/18’s) and he will get midfield minutes.

I don’t plan on starting Cripps because I don’t see him getting better and contested possessions at that high a level are not incredibly sustainable, he will average 115 but not 120 plus. I started him last year and love him don’t worry. I would like Macrae for Fyfe but don’t have the cash, if rookies are cheap I Will get the guy

PizzaSafety

Maybe but better value with Kelly and Neale in my opinion, think they have more ceiling relative to their price

Sc_Wow

Mini team reveal
Lloyd Laird
Macrea Cripps
Grundy Gawn
Danger Heeney

another 5 keepers in there too

PJ8

I have the same 8 players. Great minds think a like. Now I am interested in the rest….

PJ8

Don’t understand what you are saying???

KeenButClueless

I am having a nightmare pre-season. Today was probably the lowest point.

I read the AFL website and they have an article on who is taking kick ins. They do it alphabetical order, so from Adelaide I am reading that Brodie Smith might be a big beneficiary of kick ins.

Keep reading.

Giants – Heath Shaw.

Keep reading

Melbourne – Hibberd.

I already had Short over Witherden. Hmm ok. I already had Mills – the classic preseason midfield minutes – in an intra club.

Only 3 forwards, so three rookies onfield. If there is one hate in Supercoach for me it’s forward rookies. Guaranteed to lay 30-40 point turds. Three of them. Really the only way to avoid it is to play a rookie at R2.

Of course the normal roll through of premiums through the midfield. Fyfe in. Fyfe out. Martin in. Martin out. MacRae in. MacRae out.

But it was today that did it. The day you seriously think about putting a Brodie Smith or even Heath Shaw (how many Giants defenders can you fit in one team?) in a team you are already unhappy with is the day you push the clear team button. And put it away until JLT.

ZzZCalintZzZ

Not sure at all what set up to have this year

Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Roberton > rooks.
Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, M.Crouch > rooks.
Grundy, Longer
Dangerfield, Wingard, Dahlhaus, Kennedy > rooks.

I learnt from last year, you just pay the big bucks upfront when they will highly likely finish top 3 in their respective position.
I'm most excited about M.Crouch Whitfield, Wingard and Dangerfield this year.

GloryDays94

Not a bad set up.
I dont rate Dalhaus anymore and not sure about Kennedy either after injuries all year last year.
Also what is your reason behind Longer?

Nofork&Chance

Lads, any Jockreynolds Group or Leagues set up yet?

hedski

710443 is the JR Group code bud.

Select_and_Forget

There's a story on heraldsun website about a team that finished top 100 in 2018 without making a single trade! I'm not a subscriber so I couldn't read the full thing but the google results state "It happens every year a team that is seemingly abandoned early in the season finishes top 100. This year……"

Makes me feel a bit poor when I study form every week and run out of trades with 2-weeks to go and still can't break the top 150

PJ8

Copy and paste the link into outline.com and you can read it

Tangles

Geez there are a couple of people that come onto this comment thread and think they are God's gift when it comes to Supercoach knowledge.

They clearly don't have much confidence in themselves and come here wanting applause, worship and think they are the guru of all supercoach knowledge. Get a life and stop taking yourself so seriously your not as good as you think you are.

It's a pity cause this a great site for those that like to talk supercoach and the majority of comments are constructive. But there are a few who sound like kids when they engage in pathetic ego arguments.

skindog

Grain of salt mate.

skindog

That doesnt help bro!

Ja191

That’s life though always going to be different types of people good and bad, this community is generally good though

KeenButClueless

i am a little concerned that might be me. If it is, then i can assure you I never wanted to come across like that, or like a pathetic kid. I don’t consider myself an expert at all. I came onto this site a few years ago, and for the most part tried to extract as much knowledge from better players than me. After a while, I felt that I needed to put back, rather than just take. I am supercoach obsessed so I spend a lot of time here. So if I am coming across badly, I apologise and will try to create better posts

Skindog

All good bro, don’t stress, everyone’s allowed an opinion, not your fault, sounds like someone has their panties in a bunch, might actually think he’s the best and the king of SuperCoach, by the sounds of it!

ToughBretts

These posts are always about people leaving smart-ass or rude replies, dw

neil demons delight

I rather enjoy your posts Keen even though I have disagreed on some but always something interesting to be read thanks for contributing

PJ8

Always been a great forum to throw ideas out and give personal opinions. I don’t think anyone would consider themselves an expert, a part from the originals and content providers. If you don’t like it, leave.

Josh

Here are rookies who are that are training well and too keep an eye on in the JLT

Backs
G, Logue $164,300
M,Hore $117,300

Mid
J,Atley $123,900
B,Bewley $117,300
N,Hind $117,300

Rucks
D,Fort $117,300
J,sweet $102,400

Forward
J,Corbett $123,900
N,Blakey $166,800
B,Cavarra $117,300

I hope this can help

TOPHAWK1

Nice post Josh. Constructive and timely rook update. Great stuff.

Adam

Isnt Blakey injured though?

Beezneez

Apparently Tom Sparrow Melb mid $117,300 could be added to the list. Ned McHenry and Chayce Jones have been leading the Crows in their 2km runs. However can't see either breaking into the Crows lineup early but who knows? Even though Jones was the Crows no.1 pick and, to me, looks the goods the Crows usually give their draftees time to develop in the 2's. e.g Gallucci although Fogarty was a bit of an exception but he has a strong body whereas Jones needs some time in the gym.

fatboyfat7

Any word on McAdam, will he get a game?

Beezneez

He looked really good playing for Sturt especially in the SANFL finals. Only time will tell. He'll be vying for a spot probably as a small forward with the likes of Murphy, Gallucci and Stengle with Gallucci having the inside running imo. JLT form as a better indicator. I've decided against him at this stage for those reasons but, if picked round one, he's in for me.

fatboyfat7

Thanks for the info Beez

Matt

Hey guys.
I need some help here. Must be a new rule in that im unaware of. Ive completed my team yet when i click save my team it tells me i cant afford that trade…
Very confused..

Is there a cap on what you can spend on each line or something meaning can you only spend like 3mill on your midfield or something like that.. please help

Biggregga

Go to home and back to team, cheers

Ewoks*Stormtroopers

It's obviously early days, and things will inevitably pan out differently, but so far …

Def: Laird, Whitfield, Milera, Williams, Williamson, Logue (Hore, Wigg)

Mid: Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Martin, B. Crouch, Ellis, Stocker, Atley (Constable, Bewley, Hind)

Ruck: Grundy, Martin (Fort)

Fwd: Westhoff, Heeney, R.Gray, Weideman, Setterfield, McAdam (Corbett, Cavarra)

$2200 left. Rooks of course are subject to change.

I know Lloyd, McCrae and Danger are notably absent, and of course they'd be great to have – but maybe wait for a price drop? Bit too much mid-price madness? Love to see some thoughts.

Gord29

Would be at least starting danger

Derek

Milera will have too many to compete with, can’t seeing him becoming a keeper. If you looking for a POD, Mills is same price and McGrath is $50k cheaper

Derek

If you are liking Westoff, you should have a DPP at R3

Gord29

Good point Derek but if fort gets early games you could down grade him comes buys to a dual position then and make some cash

Gord29

Nank and b Smith with 1.7k or Goldstein and Roberton with 21k?

Krupa

Maybe second option is better? I like Goldy this year.

Gord29

im leaning towards it to as the extra cash in the bank may come in handy

TOPHAWK1

I prefer option 2. Goldy should dominate this year.

Sam

Rank the following in order of best to worst;
Sloane, crouch, dusty and brayshaw

De goey or lynch?

Roberton or Brodie smith?

Whitfield or hurn?

Josh

I think de goey roberton whitfield it’s hars to choose between roberton and Smith I would choose roberton only for the cash you save you can upgrade another player to a premo

Maverick_

Hi Sam

my thoughts on the above in order best to worst and no doubt everyone is different and may not agree…
#1.Dusty – with lynch he wont go forward as often now so more midfield minutes watch him bounce back
#2.Crouch- a ball magnet if he can stay fit he is good value but starts seasons slowly n comes home hot
#3.Brayshaw – Showed his class in the last 9 rounds. he had 7 scores 110+ and the other two above 80
#4.Sloane – yet to see him break a tag he is shutdown to easy, not for me

De Goey is an unknown with beams coming back how will that effect his time in the middle??
Probably still got him ahead of Lynch expect his scores to yoyo but he will kick some bags

Roberton & smith.. watch JLT closely and make a call then. maybe smith marginally if you have the 50k

Whitfield over Hurn for me prefer his job role and more room to improve being that real breakout age

hope that helps.

John

If u had to pick one mid priced mid (under 400k) who would you pick. I'm leaning towards libba as he can make the most cash (hoping to trade him for MACRAE at around 450k

Josh

I would go A Miles I’m a bulldog supporter and I don’t know where he is going to play

Derek