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Round 23 SuperCoach Panic Room

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We’ve made it! SuperCoach Grand Finals across the land are just days away

Top 8, bottom 8, cash league, whatever it may be. Congrats for making it this far. It’s been another cracking year of SuperCoach full of many highs (Jackson Macrae) and frustrating lows (Michael “Never again” Hibberd). Patch is not even hanging around for it and has started his mad Monday already.

It’s never too early to start your preparations for SuperCoach 2019, take a screenshot or jot down some players that are fresh in your mind at the moment. It will save you some time when SuperCoach reopens in January. We’ve got one more week to get through and we finish not with a fizzle, but with a bang.

The podcast this week is Patch-less, I repeat, Patch-less. However Lek is joined by the absolute lad that is Teddy. Sitting 9th overall and a real shot at being 50k richer come Sunday night. Barron has delivered his regular goldmine that is Around the Grounds and has stepped in to cover Captain McCaptainface this week. Damo has had a brilliant debut year in the cheat sheet hot seat. This week it’s the People’s cheat sheet of your best and worst starting selections for SuperCoach 2018. Have a gander right here.

THE NEWS 

Rocky’s disappointing fantasy season has ended prematurely after stuffing his shoulder, he’s one of three changes for tonights game against the Bombers. SPP is back and Billy “Peter” Frampton (RUC/FWD – 123.9k) will debut. Tommy Bellchambers will miss, giving Leuy a chance to impress.

The Cats have dropped Jackson Thurlow and brought in Jed Bews in the only change as they host the Suns on Saturday arvo. The Tiges are going full dress rehearsal for what is essentially a dead rubber clash against the Dogs. Astbury, Cotchin, and Dion Prestia are all back at the expense of Garthwaite, Baker, and Sam Lloyd. At the Dogs, Bailey Williams adds some muscle down back. The Pies are unchanged for their trip out West to play Freo. Michael Walters is now number 1 with a bullet on my never again list, missing with injury again. Stefan Giro will also miss which might hurt a few that were relying on his bench cover. Buddy Franklin has made the cut at the Swans. Heath Grundy replaces Robbie Fox in their only change. Potential Buddy minder James Frawley is out injured, but Roughie will return along with Ricky Henderson and Dave Mirra. Adelaide are handing Elliott Himmelberg (FWD – 123.9k) his debut but will lose Tom Doedee to injury. The Blues have their own injury concern in Paddy Dow, replacing him with Sam Kerridge

Sunday is your usual “add a whole bunch of names but don’t omit anyone” situation. There’s potential debuts for Connor Ballenden (DEF/FWD – 117.3k), Corey Lyons (MID – 123.9k), and Matthew Allen (FWD – 123.9k) at Brisbane and West Coast, respectively. Big news and possible SuperCoach 2019 ramifications at the Giants with Zac Williams named on an extended bench. Josh Kelly and Sam Reid have been named on field. The Dees have added Tom Bugg (lol) and four new names to their squad. Will Walker is the only confirmed out as the Saints prepare to host Norf in the last game of the week. Jake Carlisle is among the ins and has been named on field.

THE HOUSE OF EVIL

The house is officially closed for 2018. It may return in 2019, it may not. It’s entirely dependant on any other terrible puns I can think up between now and nest year (suggestions welcome)

SMOOTH KEVY’S LOCK OF THE WEEK

If you’ve been lucky enough enough to make it to the big dance with trades in the bank there’s no point keeping the powder dry. Trade, trade, trade! First point of call is obviously covering any on field donuts (Walters!) or questionable rookies that you’re being forced to field.

For the last game of the year you may as well target specific matchups to get the most out of your trade. Adelaide are playing Carlton so hello Matt Crouch. Geelong have Gold Coast at home so a target of any of their fwd/mids/anyone really (Ablett, Danger, TK, Menegola, Tomahawk). Also have a look at Barron’s captain suggestions to get an idea of who has a decent record against their opponent this week.

HEY NOW, YOU’RE A DRAFTSTAR

As a neutral I don’t mind a bit of the Swans v Hawks rivalry. With a win and a few other results going their way both teams can finish as high as second, but way more likely it is a battle for 4th and the double chance.

JR wouldn’t have been possible this without the lovely people at Fantasy Insider. For the last time this year I’ve fired up their famed number cruncher for the ideal lineup for this matchup.

My take:

RUC

Really not keen on picking a ruck this week. Cal Sinclair has had a solid fantasy year but hasn’t seen a Draftstars ton for 6 weeks. Big Boy should win the hitout battle but doesn’t offer much around the ground. The Swans are +11 against key forwards and Roughie has a serviceable record against the Swans but his record at the SCG is pretty atrocious. Take your pick!

FWD

It’s a tricky forward line too for this one. Jack Gunston is in play for the same reasons as Roughie and Buddy could be a sneaky choice after a week of will he/won’t he rumours, The Swans will be looking for him and many in the community have learnt the hard way not to write off Buddy.

George Hewett will be chasing Tom Mitchell all night so he’ll be seeing plenty of the ball. Kieran Jack delivered a 10x value game last week so you could try to chase his points and Ben Ronke famously kicked 7 against the Hawks earlier in the year (but hasn’t done much since) He’s always an option if he brings his tackle game to what will be a fairly hot contest of footy.

DEF

Jake Lloyd is an option but he’s priced too heavily for mine in a slate where there is little in the way of reliable value.

Shaun Burgoyne is just amazing isn’t he? He’s scored a ton in three of his past 4 against Sydney. His last 3 visits to the SCG has seen him average 113 and he’s only dropped below 80 once in his past 7 games. Lock. From here you could throw a dart at Nash, Mirra, Miles or even Rampe and hope for a random value breaking score but they have been few and far between this year.

Heath Grundy returns this week which will allow Aliir Aliir to play the third tall.

MID

Other than the DPP’s I’ve mentioned above, once again I’m going back to the well that is James Worpel while he’s (still) under 10k. George Hewett will go straight to Tom Mitchell so he’s an easy fade for me. Liam Shiels has two 130’s to his name from his last three visits to the SCG. Nic Newman is having a nice end to the year, his 3 game average of 96.7 is a 21.8 point bump on his season average.

My lineup:

That’s all she wrote, folks. Been an absolute delight bringing the Panic Room to your eyeballs this year. Good luck this week and catch you next year! Xx

 


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TRIGGA_HAPPY

Thanks Kev.
Always an enjoyable read and good lead into the footy each week.
How have u been going at draftstars? Any wins during the year?
I usually have a crack at the Friday night game but find i miss on a rook or select the wrong proven performer but get all the rest generally right. Mind u dont study for or prepare much just slap a team together based on form and from what ive seen.

Hope to see you in the "happy ending" AFL SC final series again. Should launch next week.

Another chapter begins …..

SC_Kev7

Cheers, Trig.

Not too bad. Few little wins but nothing major. You're right about single game slates, they are a lot harder if you're only entering the one lineup. There's always one guy that will buck the stats or come from the clouds and go huge. No amount of research can predict that. Prefer to enter in full day or full round contests as there's a little more leeway.

As the defending champ I'm definitely in. Flick us the rules on Twitter or PM the JR Facebook page and I'll put up a seperate post for you

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Thanks mate
Got lek onto it so sorted. <img draggable="false" class="emoji" alt="👍" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/11/svg/1f44d.svg"&gt;
For a bit if spice have added a variable capt pick this year

neil demons delight

You killed it last year kev give us a break this year Congrats on a super year with you articles ,always a good read

Russty_

Thanks for all your contributions this year Kev, appreciate all the time and effort it takes, away from your regular life, and probably for no reward so thanks again..much appreciated.

TheGreatBozza

Thanks Kev. Been a ripper all year.

Last minute trade options:

B – Lloyd, Yeo, Simmo, Laird, Crisp, T Mac (Austin, O'Riordan)
M – Titch, Danger, Cripps, Macrae, Beams, Pendles, Cogs, Dusty (Ahern, Giro, Dawson)
R – Gawn, Grundy (Hayes)
F – D.Smith, JDG, Hoff, Gray, Heeney, McLean (Walters, Smith)

Option 1:
Walters > Tommahawk
Giro > 102K mid to fund the move

Option 2:
Walters > Parfitt / Lobb (cheap FWD)
Ahern > Sidebottom / JPK as a loophole (hope for a big game)

Option 3:
Walters > Parfitt / Lobb
Austin > Short / Aliir Aliir (big game loop)

Any other options? I'm happy to keep my mids as is. I thought about going Cogs > Crouch but I think i'll hold. Cogs plays better with Kelly in the side

SC_Kev7

Cheers, Boz. If the weekend is a clear slate then option 2 is appealing to me. Parfitt loves an easy matchup. You can tie your opponent in knots with all sorts of emergency loopholes. If not, keep it simple and get in Tomahawk. Reckon he'll do terrible, terrible things to the Suns this weekend

TheGreatBozza

Anyone play RDT?

Got a last minute headache!

Option 1:
TMac / Kelly / McLean on field

Option 2:
Crisp / Adams / Hawkins on field

Cheers community

Ja191

Legend Kev, been a pleasure to read all year!

Richie Porte

If Walters didn’t play last week this trade would put me in my grand final, lost by 10 and Davis getting hurt, opponent had buddy, anyway Walters to who
Tomahawk, Menegola, Dunkley or Gunston
Well done to the JR team on a good year, great work.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Dunkley

Tim

Is he actually expected to keep running through the mid?

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Yeah reckon he has had a change of role mid season been very good in the back half of the season.

Nervous

After some late advice if possible community

Only playing in league but against my boss so bragging rights will be huge

I have Ahern to trade out for either:

Westhoff T.Mcdonald or leave it for the last game of the year for a bloke in his last game J. Waite as a smokey

Thoughts

SC_Kev7

Westhoff would've been ideal! Waite is an ultimate POD, may as well go all in, Nervous!

TBone_9

Last trade and need to trade out Walters. Have 440k to spend on any Def or Fwd. anyone have any suggestions? Cheers 🙂

SC_Kev7

Caddy finishing the year well. Caleb Daniel been racking them up on HB for a few weeks. Heeney if you don't have already, Parfitt loves a soft matchup.

jackie

Have to field one Keefe or Heron who do i pick

Joe T

Best forward to replace Walters under 436k?

Looking at Boak v Dons at home, Caddy v Dogs at home or Harmes v GWS at home

TheGreatBozza

Parfitt? Could go 110+ or 60

Defying_Madness

Keefe as cover for Walters lmao. No trades club is not fun

Russty_

The Mummy should be good for 25 to 30 lol, I have O'Connor covering for Ahern, good for another 35 lol.

BlueBaggerJosh

Francis and Parish could be breakout candidates for next year, depends on price. I know this seems crazy but if BJ moves to another team like the Suns he could be an option?! Was good last year.

kanga

M.Hurley even at just below 400k next season is fantasy irrelevant. Francis is getting the cheap marks, sweeping up etc and is better at it, damn good mark tonight on Ryder.

kanga

M.Hurley supercoach scores from round 18 onward – 76, 77, 88, 72, 83, 62

GeorgeS

Traded him to Hawkins this week- bloody glad to get rid of him, and hawk kept up his end of the bargain.

Nick

What are the chances that Buddy will be a late out?

I have one trade left but only 11k in the bank. Should I hold it in case of a surprise out or make a side ways trade. I was thinking Cogs to Hawkins (via DPU) / GAJ / T Kelly / Selwood Thoughts !!!!

Trades

Nank and Ahern(bench) to Grundy & Jack
Or
Heeney to Menegola & McLean to Hawkins

SC_Kev7

2

Defying_Madness

hope you went 2

jake

cogs –> Ward??? last trade

SC_Kev7

Nah. Kelly back = Cogs good

smart as s

havnt been here for a while, where is wow and the other arrogant one, cant remember the name.

smart as s

remember 66, how long has he been in hiding. I said earlier this season i want to see him fail miserably, mission accomplished lol

0JugHead0

Can anyone explain to me why Ahern has a green dot next to him on Supercoach (playing in the 22) and on the teams section of the AFL website he is listed as 1st emergency?

TBone_9

Yeah I got sucked into putting emergency on him Jughead instead of O’Connor. That mistake could cost some people a win!

Russty_

Bloody slack Herald Sun staff not changing his status is what I'm thinking Jughead..the same slackness that still has a website and so called live scores full of bugs.

Lazza

They have done this a few times through the season … cost me a round win early days

BrownlowBoy

Go Danger you good thing!

The Ranger

Nicely done BB, am I playing you in the JR Faithful GF? Best of luck if that’s you, gonna be tight.

Russty_

Think you've got it in the bag Dex…some big scores in your team this week.

TheGreatBozza

Cocked up my trades by grabbing Parfitt instead of Tommahawk. Leaves me with a trade I don’t need to use but will anyway

What’s the best next trade?

1. Pendles to Crouch/Kelly/Oliver
2. T Mac to Brayshaw
3. Cogs to Kelly/Oliver/Crouch
4. Heeney to Buddy (if he plays)

Russty_

Ouch with the Tomahawk thing Bozza, Kev was right, he's doing terrible things to the Suns..I'd probably go Pendles to Kelly, 2nd choice would be Tmac to Brayshaw.

TheGreatBozza

I really stuffed this one up. Got too fancy will loopholes then realised I can’t loophole this week! Given that Parfitt ain’t toning up, I’ll keep De Goey at F6 and look at Pendles to Crouch.

Pendles might run with Fyfe to nullify him. Relying on Crouch to tear the blues a new one

Russty_

Good luck mate..hope you get over the line!

TheGreatBozza

Cheers Russty. Thanks for the tips this year

Russty_

Hey no worries mate…you too, make sure you enter Trigga's Finals comp coming up in 2 weeks, it'll be posted on here what the rules are etc..should be fun.

Russty_

I'd say whoever VC'd Danger this week is gonna win their GF..going nutso!

BrownlowBoy

Needed that to cover Heron's putrid score.

Russty_

Well done BB good call, and Barlow top scores for the Suns..and can't get a game..what's wrong with that picture?

Steve

Had Macrae as VC 163 , need Mictchell to have less than that for a win

Russty_

Bloody Buddy Franklin is out!…not playing…sorry to break the news.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

the lad has done it again in Sc finals.

no buddy way

TBone_9

Luke Parker late out. Thanks for having a green light on Ahern Supercoach, now I’ll be copping a donut instead of O’Connor’s score

Trades

Now this is panic mode!
Franklin late out
Who the hell do I trade him to?!

Russty_

How much money do you have trades?

Trades

Can get anyone
Looking at Waite, Jenkins, bruest, McDonald, Robinson

Trades

Billings

Russty_

Tough call mate, Brown, Waite, Darling…or Jezza Cameron?…just suggestions.

Grimace

Took a punt that he'd be a late out and traded him to Hawkins earlier today. Pretty happy with that.

Defying_Madness

Umpires in fine form tonight…

Defying_Madness

Both of these Sydney goals have been disgraceful

Defying_Madness

Not watching this garbage anymore

Lazza

Buddy out and I went OF… then had to concentrate on the cash leagues … all of us have Buddy … appears none of us have trades for a late out … then it looks like all of us have no cover (Buddy and Walters out has screwed me).. net result… in all 3cash leagues it’s 21v 21… happy days…
cept I’m up against The Pieman one man down and 21 v 21 in Jock Straps…

Rivo

A belated thanks Kev for your excellent articles and posts this season. Panic room is a long time favourite.

Managed to somehow make 2 GFs and have taken the Danger VC score. Traded Walters to Hawkins also. Might be enough to get home in a couple of tight finals. Good luck to all! It’s Tiger Time!

Derek

Slippery. Hawks not dealing with conditions at allI

Tiger

Help!! Thoughts appreciated. 16 points down and we both vc grundy. He has the c on Gawn atm. I have Mcgovern (wc) and T McDonald (melb) up against S Hurn (wc). Have 2 decisions to make. 1/ stick with Grundy or match him with Gawn. 2/ Move J. McGovern (wc) , who hasn't been scoring that well to the bench for L. Austin (saints). Thoughts appreciated in advance, cheers .

Trades

Need some kind of advantage
Thinking Ross or Beams in for Coniglio?

Trades

Even Kelly

Lazza

It’s come down to this …. two of my cash league opponents vc’d Macrae and locked it in … I had Grundy. If I take Grundy’s 150 that will leave me with a 14 point lead, with 1 unique each to play… I have A Kennedy (GWS) they have Billings.. do I lock it down or put the C on Gawn?

Derek

Take Grundy

Derek

Gawn is making us look silly. Going big

neil demons delight

I would lock it in Laz. The reason is Gawn will probably have big chunks missing as they trial Weeds also if they are winning by plenty expect both Oli and Max to rest. best of luck

Lazza

Thanks Neil… ‘tis done..

neil demons delight

Sorry about that Laz Max proved just how good he is

Bingo bango

Is Ahern playing guys? Need to use him for my loopholoe if he isn't

Doc

Nope

Bingo bango

Thanks mate

BrownlowBoy

He's in!!!!!!

Corey

Ahern is playing mate

Derek

Great. He will cover Parker for me. Only need about 196 from him to knock over Pieman

Derek

A few weeks ago someone asked the question, going for league wins; what is the best strategies and advice?

Someone said; save your trades, even if going to finish outside top 4 don’t worry, whoever has the most trades at the start of the finals will go close. Seems like that advice was spot on.

dognino

I got to full premium round 15 with 5 trades left. All 5 used for LTI (2 left for finals, which I used last week) No luxury of upgrading underperforming, and even tho full premium had to rely on rookies a lot of weeks. Still, have managed to Make GF in both of my leagues, and at this stage a chance to win both, along with my highest ever ranking. In a happy place at the moment.

Trades

Gawn or Ross C?

BrownlowBoy

Ahern is in incase anyone is using him to loophole!

JugHead

Tbone will be happy.

JugHead

Luke Shuey you bloody champion. Brought you in for under 400k when I was in a tight spot. 90 Scores every week since which were very useful. Couldnt upgrade due to bigger problems. Then knocks out 111 in GF week.

BrownlowBoy

I hope you're better next year

Corey

If you have two emergencies on the bench and one doesn’t play do you get the emergency that plays score or the zero of the non scoring emergency

Derek

The one that plays

Corey

Cheers Derek

Corey

I get Ahern’s score then

Derek

Good work.

Give us something that you will change for next year, if anything?

Any thoughts on starting structures?

Sc_Wow

Hold more trades

Derek

Debate about; what is a trade worth? Will be worth RE-thinking for next year

Danners

Definitely helped me this year having more trades late on in the year, something that never normally happens to me. Too bad I had a crap start

BrownlowBoy

Jeez Melbourne are a scary team when they get going.

neil demons delight

You keep saying that BB and I am starting to believe you . how did you go

BrownlowBoy

No good mate. Would of liked to know Ahern was gonna play prior to the round starting so I could play him and trade Witho instead of trading Walters and holding Witho and being forced to play Heron onfield but oh well.

You gotta start believing Neil. To be quite honest your Dees remind me a lot of the Geelong from our premiership era.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

play like that mate be hard to beat
great pressure on the ball carrier, good spread and quick by hand or foot and pick the best target in fwd 50.
sound familiar?
ohh and there is a big lad by the name of gawn who has racked up over 1000 hitouts for the year with over 1/3rd of those to advantage usually to the other all australin in clarrey.
yep ALOT to like about the dees.

neil demons delight

Thanks fellas whoever wins could well win the G F Bye the way that pi55es me off about Ahearn not good enough NDD

GeorgeS

How's everyone tracking score wise? My last 5 players are scoring great in Dees VS GWS so I'm on track for 2700+ and my GF league victory- never cracked 2700 before, so suspect plenty of others getting really high scores.

dognino

Live score has me just over 2630 at the moment , with Gawn, Brayshaw and Oliver with half a qtr left of scoring. Should nudge 2650 plus

Frankston Phil

Well done good effort I might just nudge 2700 if Ahern goes well which I'm happy with considering I was looking at a donut.

dognino

Finished with 2675. My top score for the season , won both my league finals , one of which was a cash league.

Keenbutcluess

You set up better than most going in. Hope to hear your views going in on starting players and structure.

neil demons delight

Gawn and Grundy are both A A's now surely

Derek

Next year will be all about trying to fit both Grundy $725k and Gawn $710k into our starting teams

Russty_

Reckon Darcy or maybe Abbott could be worth starting with next year ..hopefully, to save a da money.

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Boy that is some serious cash on 2 players!

Would have to cut a few corners else where to start both. ✂️📐

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Both in my AA Team Neil. 😃

neil demons delight

must start both mate

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Posted my team in last weeks panic room article.
Grundy was on the bench with big Maxy on deck.

Defying_Madness

Good work Wow.

Hoping I can hold onto my spot in the top 1% as well, looking at a 2420 this week and am sitting at 1400. Hopefully that is enough

I will be looking to improve my starting selections next year and hopefully save some more trades as a result.

redherringfc

I guess you’ll start studying up straight away.

Try this. It’s not too tough, but there will be a test on it next season.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/engli

KSinny

Lost my Granny by 20 points with 1 less player 😥, how'd everyone else fair? Btw scored 2513.

Ahmad rubas

Wow that’s unlucky who cost you the donut? I won both grand finals I was in by 8 points and 15 points but most importantly overcame a 337 point deficit to beat my mate in overall ranking scored 2638 highest score in 2 years of playing supercoach and only 2nd time over 2500

KSinny

Used my last trade the week before Gaff got suspended so have been forced to play either Giro, Narkle or Dawson all of whom weren't playing this week which cost me my final. Oh well still happy with a top 2k finish.

BrownlowBoy

Dawson did play? Didn't have the emergency on him?

KSinny

The one for Goldcoast

BrownlowBoy

Ah bugger. Huge score with a donut mate.

Ahmad rubas

Could of gone huge if you had a trade left for gaff. Either way top 2k is a really strong finish and a lot better than my rank this season

GeorgeS

Finished on 2722, which is probably 100+ more than I've ever scored. Nice to do it in a GF

BrownlowBoy

Massive!

Russty_

Nice one George…that's huge in a GF.

dognino

2675 to win 2 finals. Had De Goey and McLean on field, could’ve have been huge if I’d had any trades left haha

Russty_

Great score this week regardless Dog…and congrats winning 2 GF's.

Steeeve

Fitting end to my season with Ahern as captain. Again. Luckily I never made any grand finals I cared about. Working sundays and supercoach dont mix. Bring on the preseason articles!

Derek

Oh man. That is a shocker.

Steeeve

Knew I wouldn't be able to check if Ahern was a late in. Took the punt for Grundy's VC score. Last week was for naught anyway. Dropped 700 spots outside the top 2000 but oh well. A lot learned for next year.

Teddy85

Ended up with 2720 for the round and 6th overall! Thanks to the JR community for all the tips and help along the way. A lot of luck involved along the way haha.

Looking forward to next season!

Russty_

That's awesome Teddy, well done mate and a huge score this week, peaking at the right time…enjoy the prizemoney 🙂

IPMan

Top work Ted. Did you have any luck during the season?

BrownlowBoy

Well done Teddy!

Enjoy that 1k mate!

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Bang up job Teddy
Bloody fantastic effort
Smashed it mate
Enjoy the green. 💰

Mark Fawcett

Brilliant score mate and congrats. 6th overall for all SC or 6th for the round? Either way amazing job:)

Mark Fawcett

lol, actually, just looked at rankings, 6th overall!! That's brilliant mate, again, congrats:)

neil demons delight

massive score ted Congrats don't forget trigs happy ending

Browncow

Great work Teddy. Need a lot more than luck for 6th!

Lekdog

Congrats brother!

Derek

Very nice

Lazza

That is freakin awesome Teddy.. well done .. make sure you post your starting team for us before R1 next year 👌Yes? 🤔No? 😜

Teddy85

I'll try be more of a presence if time permits!

Derek

You definitely had an early breakout year. Very much similar to Oliver and Kelly last year. Good luck backing it up.

Look around here in February when we are putting our leagues together. Would love you to join the JR Faithful League.

TBone_9

Ended up with 2544 with Ahern coming in for Parker (thankgod). Saw I was gonna get a donut so threw the captain on Titch as a hit and hope that he could make up for the donut with a monster score. Lost both grand finals by less than 20 points, shocking decision not to take Grundy’s VC score and hope for the best! Live and you learn I guess!

Oh and GO THE BLOODY DEES!!

Russty_

Bad luck with that one Tbone, had to do a similar thing myself as it looked like I was gonna lose my granny from the start..hail Mary'd it on Cripps but that didn't work out…go Dees mate!

neil demons delight

Agree GO DEES

Russty_

Believe in the dream this season mate…it could happen!