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THE CHEAT SHEET Round 17

Published by Damo on

So you guys remember me recommending Tom Hawkins last week? Did you take my advice and live the glory of his 122? Or Luke Breust and his 165? It feels good when you recommend players in time for them to produce performances like that.

Theme of this week’s cheat sheet is value for money. Most of the players I recommend will be under 500k. We’re all strapped for cash, not long until league finals now, and the faster you can complete your team the better, right?Marcus Bontempelli has been ruled out for a couple of weeks after getting his appendix removed, so you may need to trade him or a rookie to cover for him. A good option that I didn’t mention last week is Luke Shuey, while he was cheaper last week, he is still really cheap this week at 390k and the recommendation is better late than never.

Another cheap option in Bachar Houli, who would be close to returning (keep an eye on team news), at $384k could make for an awesome D6/7 player for you, if you’re strapped for cash.

I haven’t thanked Fantasy Insider in a while, so thank you to them for keeping this website alive.

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Tom

So trading out Dow this week. Do I bring in Gaff using 2 trades or De Goey using only one. Both would be my 9th premo in the guts, but I only have 3 trades left. Once I do my trades for the week, I’ll have ahern and Webster at D7 and F7

Audrey Horne

I’d hold the trades.

Finnius

I'd hold mate. No point.

Tom

But having rocky and Shuey M7 And M8 is a tad worrying, that’s why I thought get an M9 in to loop them

Finnius

I think people overrate the value of having loopholes in general. A lot of the time it can actually lose you points, as if you set your threshold and the other player outscores it you'd be devastated. It will probably make you about 150 points over the rest of the season.

If you run out of trades with two weeks left, then 230 points go down the drain straight away. Look at how many shocking injuries there have already been on the run home. Maybe worth doing for in the league finals, but if you are going alright then I'd hold for at least the next two weeks.

Tom

Yeah good point, I’ll wait for a few more weeks and if I’m still good for trades, I’ll pull the trigger. Cheers mate!

PJ 's

De Goey's not a Premo

Maverick_

Hold no point blowing trades on an M9 with 3 remaining.

THE SALTSHAKER

he can be if looped like buddy

Saundo

Who to get in for Stringer, already have Gray, Westy, Franklin, Gunston and De Goey? Money not an issue

Finnius

Mclean or Heeney. Both are must haves.

Shake_n_Bake_

Heeney BE very high, wait.

Russty_

Agree with Finn…I'd go Heeney.

Saundo

Hasn’t he had injury issues?

Russty_

He got concussed 2 weeks ago but should be right this week.

Derek

Unless you wait a couple of weeks and get him $60k cheaper

TBrab

His break even is 197 at the moment so he will drop significantly over the next couple of weeks. But if money isn't an issue he could have a blinder against North and be worth the money.

Jono

I'm trading out Mitch Robinson and I can only afford he people I'm thinking of getting for my last midfield is Sloane,Heppell and Cotchin!! I can afford anyone from 475.3k down!! Also who should I captain and vice captain this week!!
I have 6 trades left!!

My current side is
My side atm is

Defenders: Lloyd,Yeo,Hurley,Laird,Witherden and Tuohy!! (Redman and Heron)

Mids:
Dangerfield,Mitchell,Martin,Beams,
Higgins,Miller,Rockliff and M.Robinson

Rucks:
Gawn and Nic Nat (Cameron)

Forwards:
Gray,Gunston,Sicily,Franklin,McLean and D.Smith!! (Ahern and Garlett)

Russty_

Probably Sloane out of that lot Jono, Shuey would save you some nice money, maybe Titch or Beams into Gawn for VC and C, games are close together though.

Maverick_

I think shuey can match there outputs Jono and a lot cheaper… not sold on Sloane hepps or Cotchin.

I am VCing beams into Gawn

THE SALTSHAKER

yup shuey ftw 👍

Steeeve

Leaning toward holding my trades and keep an f5-7 rotation of Fritsch, Curnow and JJK.
However I still have 7 trades. Playing for leagues.
I could bring in a Wingard/Walters/Menegola/Buddy for one of those blokes and still have money to execute my planned trade for next week, Bailey Rice up to Jimmy Webster. Thoughts?

Finnius

With that many trades I would probably be letting go of JJK for Wingard who has shown a lot more consistency. Then you can loop the other two at F6.

Maverick_

Holman —> Shuey is mighty tempting for M9 considering at some point my 8 mids will get an injury or rested between now and end of season.
But the cash from Holman —> sier/Narkle and using it to upgrade a hibberd is also tempting.
Love ya cheat sheets damo & carn north!

TBone_9

Hey Maverick, Shuey is too tempting for that price as a M9! Think I’ll be bringing him in this week because as you said, someone will get injured or rested before the end of the year and that’ll save you any hassles or needless trades over that time. Also, if you have Dusty at M8 (like I do), then you can use him to loop scores with Dusty as an insurance policy! Cheers

PizzaSafety

Not having Lloyd is killing me this year, he should be on here weekly as the ultimate CD love child. Here's Hurley and Howe compared to Lloyd last week.

Howe

4 1%’s = 4
8 Effective kicks = 32
8 effective handballs = 12
7 cp’s = 28
9 marks = 18
5 intercept marks = 10
2 tackles = 8
4 clangers = -16

=96 raw score but given 82

Hurley

7 1%’S = 7
13 effective kicks =52
5 effective handballs = 7.5
6 cp’s = 24
8 marks = 16
3 intercept marks = 6
0 clangers
0 tackles

=112.5 raw score but given 100

Lloyd

4 1%’s = 4
18 effective kicks = 64
8 effective handballs = 12
9 cp’s = 36
4 Marks = 8
0 intercept marks
3 Tackles = 12
2 Clangers = -8

= 128 point raw score but given 141

As another example adding up all the stats as they are meant to be scored, Lloyd is averaging exactly the 109 he is averaging in raw score, whilst Simpson is averaging 112-113 in raw score and being underscored by 3-4 points, Howe is averaging 101 in raw score and is being underscored by 6 points.

stats from AFL pro.

AuroraBorealis?!

Champion data allocate more points for certain plays depending on the influence it has on the game, hence the discrepancies in raw score and actual score

THE SALTSHAKER

they make it up basically

Russty_

Yeah!…I don't think we'll ever know exactly how they do it…just gotta pick the players that seem to be 'favoured'…otherwise you're behind the 8-Ball.

Ja191

The thing that separates lloyd from the other defenders you’ve named is his disposal efficiency. His efficiency by foot is elite and is the main playmaker out of Sydney’s backline and subruquently has big influences on games. I’ve seen a lot of his games and his scores are mostly deserved

PizzaSafety

I know his kicking efficiency is elite and among the best in the league but he's still being over-scored compared to other defenders. If you head over to afl pro you can see how many effective kicks he averages (13.6, which is the exact same as Simpson, whilst Howe averages 10.1). If you add up all the other things that are accounted for and compare him to others for average you will see that he is still over-scored.
I also know points get awarded based on the time of the game/influence, but I don't see how he was awarded extra points on Thursday for being influential compared to Jeremy Howe who took vital intercept marks on Sunday.

Shake_n_Bake_

Thats so true! No influence the last couple of weeks. Like Russty said sometimes just got to pick the favoured players.

SamuraiPizzaCat

Your scoring isn't right, go into supercoach click on help and look at point scoring. You are missing a lot of things..

Maverick_

7 trades 85k. Got two options below but feel free to throw ideas my way.

Def: laird, yeo, simpson, Hurley, Webster, hibberd (naughton Taylor)

Mid: danger, TMitch, curnow, oliver, dusty, beams, Rockliff, cognilio (ahern Holman E.phillips)

Ruck: Gawn Nicnat (olango)

Fwd: heeney, westhoff, gray, McLean, d.smith, Sicily (T.smith battle)

Option 1: single trade. holman —> shuey (M9)

Option 2: two trades. Holman —> rookie
Naughton —> wingard via dpp

Derek

Hibberd to Wingard. Via Sicily.

Maverick_

I like it Derek. Banks me 130k going hibberd to chad instead of naughton. Just less bench cover

THE SALTSHAKER

bank again on phillips to fark narkle

THE SALTSHAKER

or holman shuey and get a loop every week 💪

Box

Double trade, Curnow for a gun then hold the rest of your trades.

Russty_

Curnow is a gun, just been a bit lean lately with the scoring, but nothing under 90 last 4 games, still a good average.
He'd definitely have to look at booting him if the 90-ish trend continues though.

Russty_

Hey Mav, Holman to Shuey is nice but he'd just be sitting on the bench right?..as would Wingard?
I might go Holman to rookie and Hibberd to Lloyd, forget about the price!..hahaha Does leave your fwd line exposed though.

Maverick_

Yeah if I went shuey he’d by my M9 waiting for one of my mids to get injured or managed before finals but the top 8 being so close teams may not have that luxury this season!
Wingard will be my F6 mate. I’d trade hibberd swing Sicily back to D6 & slot chaddy into F6.

Russty_

Oh yeah maybe Derek's suggestion then,. reckon I'd punt Hibberd for the extra cash.

THE SALTSHAKER

holman > shuey, hibberd > brayshaw

Stix
Johnny

Trengove on anyone’s radar? Only 160k & probably more solid than sier and narkle. How do people rate him and JS

THE SALTSHAKER

more solid than sier, narkle will keep spot

THE SALTSHAKER

DEF: Laird, Sicily, Brayshaw, Lloyd, Savage, Yeo (Mihocek, Austin)

MID: Titch, Conigs, Dusty, Rocky, Gaff, Zorko, Danger, Shuey (Macrae, Giro, Ahern)

RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Olango)

FWD: Gray, McLean, Walters, Smith, Wingard, De Goey (Buddy, T. Smith)

$6k, 1 trade left,

2633 ranked 17th last week, moved up 845 places, 611th overall. Picked up 58sc with my loop last week, Buddys 59 became De Goeys 117

NO TRADES THIS WEEK

and strangely no loop if Macraes back im taking suggestions 👍

shaahid abdul

What's your plan b if grundy or gwan get injured. Keep the trade

Derek

i think the one trade left is his plan B

THE SALTSHAKER

ive played many seasons just having an aggressive year this year trying to catch the 3 in our league who were top 100 , now one is 22nd (he hit 9th 3 weeks ago) and two others fallen out to 1500 and 1200 ish so tough comp im either all in or not at all this year

Trades

$20k and 10 trades
Weak links: Def: Shaw, Ryan
Mid: Parker, Martin
Ruck: Nank
Have Mihocek, Ahern & Fritsch as cover
Should I bring in Lloyd for Shaw or Pendles for Parker?

Jace

Lloyd for Shaw

THE SALTSHAKER

on who to field + bench

Gibbs

Have 6 Trades, full premo and Bont with only about 4 k in the bank so not much to spend, aleady owning Matt crouch.

Do I hold bont for 2-3 weeks while hes injured, trade him to someone like a shuey etc or use 2 trades by downgrading Tim smith to powell so I get the cash and can Upgrade Bont to someone like Cripps/ Kelly??

Cheers for your thoughts

Derek

if you need some wins in your league you will need to trade the Bont. If you are going to make finals, hold him and he will be fresh for the run home.

THE SALTSHAKER

trade away 3 games then finals i think?

Russty_

Yeh man…round 20 is finals week.

Ben

Bring in crouch / shuey as m9 or McDonald making wingard and ahern m9 and f7

Russty_

Hi Ben, depends on whether you have 10 trades left or not, how much money, what your team looks like, you need to give a reference if you're going to suggest something so luxuriously outrageous to us lol

Russty_

Got 5 trades left with not a lot of moolah but will wait until I hear if Tim Smith is named first before I do anything, not holding my breath he will play, seems to be forgotten at Melb.
If he's not named, will go Tim Smith to Lynch via Higgins via J.Smith and have 2 covers back, 2 Mid and 1 fwd, not premos but decent rookies, I'd rather not have premos on the bench just for the 'Oh shit he scored 110 and my onfielder scored 70 factor, better to have some trades in reserve I think.
Just my point of view, shit happens and usually does when we least expect it haha.

Derek

Few people getting carried away with premium bench cover.

Motlop and daisy are the types you want.

Russty_

It's so peaceful in here lately, no braggadocious, abusive or self obsessed people have posted anything in here in the last 3 days, (Although they've tried through some kind of backdoor), it's like a restoration, to how the site used to be before, whilst 'they' were still here, you had to think about everything you posted for fear of being called a 'flog', or belittled for your lesser rank to someone else's…or being called an 'idiot' for the choice of trade you might have made.
I prefer the mutual support we can all offer each other, regardless of rank and level of skill, hell, we're all still learning and trying to do the best we can, that's what this site is all about.
Supercoach is a game and games are supposed to be fun…nothing else.

Maverick_

It’s been nice but we r still missing a lot of the regulars and originals on here they only pop in occassionally.
Always enjoyed an respected there input.
But definitely enjoying the site more so now. Even I was barely on here and posting.

Sc_Wow

Stop trying to cause drama Russty. I am now unbanned as it was an accidental banning much like what happened to you. You do not need to create posts about it. If you enjoy talking about SuperCoach then show us that and post about SuperCoach <img draggable="false" class="emoji" alt="👍🏼" src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/2.4/svg/1f44d-1f3fc.svg"&gt;

Lekdog

No need, pls let's enjoy our time together

Boy oh Boy

*rolls eyes*

Kid, please just stop.

Crow94

Has been wonderful just reading good stuff and seeing some new and old people back

Rivo

Perhaps a crazy move but interested in the Communities thoughts after some feedback from an earlier thread…

6 trades & $32k

Current team-

D: Lloyd, Simpson, Yeo, Sicily, Laird, Austin (Mihocek,
Ridley);
M; Titch, Cripps, JPK, Danger, Zerrett, Oliver, Cogs, Dusty, (Ahern, Giro, J.Smith);
R: Gawn, Grundy, (Olango)
F: Heeney, T-Mac, Gray, D.Smith, Walters, Lambert, (Higgins, T.Smith).

Need one final D6 to hit full premium.

Instead of going for Webster or Hurley, what about…

Austin & T.Smith to N.Murphy (Def/Fwd bench rook) and Mundy (DPP also).

Can swing T-Mac to final D6 premo, Mundy F6 and have another swing set.

Leaves me with 4 trades for injuries. Thoughts???

prizza

The poms stole defeat from the jaws of victory.

Sc_Wow

Great effort from a young group, they will be exciting to watch in 4 years time. Proud of them

neil demons delight

Beaten by a better team on the day -still hurts though be proud England

Justin

Breust or Westhoff?

Cobee Bear

Westhoff

Croatia Win

Hrvatska je udarila po engleskom

John

$123k and 6 trades left, do I downgrade Thomas Cole to brad lynch this week so I can become full premo next week? Or wait until next week and wait for another rookie?

Hawks

Id do that trade

Derek

Do it now

BigAl_15

So what are people thinking for my final premo upgrade. I already have T Mac, Gray, D Smith, McLean, Fritsch, Stephenson (L Ryan, J Battle). I'm keeping Fritsch as a sneaky premo and then trading out Stephenson. Should I get in Heeney, Wingard, Westhoff or Breust? Or someone else?

Marcus

I think Heeney is a must have, if you can hold off for 2 weeks you'll be able to get him for 450k

Ricardo

Guys coming back from concussion take a few weeks to recover (Merrett took a while, McLean struggling). I'd go Hoff over Heeney.

Cobee Bear

If Sloane can be loyal to me, I can be loyal to him. I'm bringing him back in…over pendles…

Lekdog

My family is Croatian so I will now pretend to care about soccer, come on you Croats!

Hazey

I'm tempted to hold a rookie in M8 this week so I can trade Bank for Grundy. Thoughts?

Should do the sensible thing and get mids to full premo first, right?

Banga

Who to VC and C? These are my options
Danger, Simmo, titch, Gawn, Pendles, Fyfe

DavidC

You do realize Fife is out?

Russty_

Could go Gawn into Pendles if you have Olango.