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THE STANDING ROOM Round 11

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“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” – Everyone, probably.

Cripps. McLean. Westhoff. Yeo. Webster. Timothy Smith. Devon Smith. Spargo. Tom BLOODY Rockliff.

These are just some of the names tearing our sides apart this week.

Thre are some positives. Maxwell Gawn. Tom Mitchell. James Sicily. Even Josh J Kennedy pulled the first big bag of goals out of his hat this week, to the delight of those who brought him in – bravo if you did.

There are some other high scores out there, but I’ll be damned if they’re in my side this week. How easy it is to back up a 2400 with an effort that will struggle to crack 2000. Hooly dooly community, what a week.

How are you travelling?

 

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Len

Darling only 14 points? ?

Finnius

Injured in the 1st quarter Len.

Rabbits16

damn that hurts len

Len

Yep….probably the reason I lose…let's see

The King

Could be a decent upgrade option after the bye's with a big price drop

Yeahnahyeah

Traded Kelly for Aaron Hall this week for a big byes POD…then he gets injured in the first half. hopefully he's not out for too long, sucks because he was looking really good in the first quarter too

Rick Grimes

He just can't get a decent run at it. Talented guy. Reckon he's average 110 if he could manage a full season.

Yeahnahyeah

I agree mate. Seemed to be playing off half back too, really good user of the ball.

Rabbits16

thank gawd i didnt go for rocky or lever

Rick Grimes

Tom Phillips. Five game average of 110 (took a knock in the game he scored 61). 43 points at 1st quarter. Haven't heard him mentioned much on here. Break out year?

BlueBaggerJosh

Yep mentioned this in the panic room chat I think it was, he will be coming into my side this week along with hogan, T-Mac, westhoff or Gray

hedski

Ah crap Walters hobbling off…

Rex

Cue the 2 pork chops laughing at everyone

Rabbits16

carnage!

Finnius

Any update???

AuroraBorealis?!

Just came back on the ground

Defying_Madness

HE IS BACK

Rick Grimes

Gee he scores well when fit. I'm just weary of that injury that will inevitably come. He's gonna go big today tho.

Rex

JJK 122 well done to everyone who got him in….Is it fair to say thats his ceiling now? I mean, playing the Saints at home, no Carlisle, Darling injured early, 6 goals….It doesn't get much better than that right?
Think I'll pass as I like to have my forwards to have a ceiling of at least 140

Rick Grimes

Probably an injury risk too.

The King

There was a couple of games last year where he kicked 6 and didn't even get to 100. Sure, he is capable of 150+ games on the odd occasion but he's definitely not a must have player.

Only reason why you'd consider him is a Billings trade for example, where you don't have the cash to upgrade to a genuine premium

Rex

Or if you're running low on trades too right?

The King

I guess, but wouldn't go get a player just because they're cheap. Similar to Rockliff, only thing attractive about them is their price, but very little chance of being top 10 in their respective positions.

Sc_Wow

I guess his last 3 seasons of 90+ average were probably just a fluke…

The King

Never said they were a fluke, but if he repeats last year's average he would currently be the 18th best fwd. No guarantee that he does that.

Valens_FC

You’re talking as if he cost $560k Rex. Great buy at $366k and if you look back through his past his ceiling is very high. Playing up forward for the form team of the land, he’s a gift from the SC Gods.

redherringfc

He hardly scored in the last quarter. If the Saints didn’t put up such a fight in the last then he may have kicked a few more. At three quarter time I thought he was going to go well over 150.

I don’t have and won’t get, but I think he could be worth the risk.

Derek

I was think 150 at 3/4 time

Patch

I wouldn't be putting a limit on JJK myself, reckon he still has 150s plus in him. I wouldn't be expecting an average of 100 but he's got the history to suggest if he stays on the park he'd be a very good F6/7, especially at his price. If he was 470k we probably wouldn't be bringing him up.

Injury history the main worry for mine.

Defying_Madness

Anyone else reckon Beams was robbed? I don't have him but if Danger had those stats he would be looking at a 200+

Connor

Easily – especially in a team that didn't have many other scorers – that is what I hate about SC, the biased scaling…

Rabbits16

agree. how does scoring even work accurately when they dish out 3300 per game. that doesn't make sense in my mind statistically…

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Beams -119 -32 disposals, 20 kicks and 5 goals
Tim kelly -130 – 25 disposals, 10 kicks 2 goals
Titch – 135 – 28 disposals, 16 kicks, 8 tackles, 2 goals.

Unless Beams had 15 clangers how does that make any sense?

Ja191

i think it's cause it was a blow out, unless you score well in the first quarter it's hard to go big

BadgerHoney7

still beams should score much more than that, robbed

The King

Scored well considering his slow start to the game and the team having a bad loss

Shake_n_Bake_

Especially at the end of a game because they have to get to 3300 Nank had 2 intercept marks in last 2 mins of the game got 1pt!!

Sc_Wow

I think SC scores heavily on impact in the game, you see this in match winning goals for example.

Once the game is over, like we see in blowouts the scoring changes drastically. Maybe this is because big points have already been given out when the game was close. Not 100% sure but that's how I make sense of it

Shake_n_Bake_

I think your right Wow. Its just l have a whole list on how u score pts and for an example uncontested mark of opposition team =4pts he would av scored 8 pts just from that plus the kicks he had after it. Maybe championship data shouldn’t put out a list on how scores come by and just do what they always do score how ever they want!

Sc_Wow

Yeah I agree it can be frustrating, I think he would have got those points if it was earlier in the game. I had Fyfe as C this week, got that one wrong. He had a few touches and goal assist late in the game but added close to nothing to his score because the game was a blow out.

I'm not sure if there is a detailed description of how the scoring works anywhere?

theRealPod

That's CD in a nut shell. If he'd kicked most of those goals early would be completely different score.

Crowboy94

Crisp keep going son! 70 at half time.

Defying_Madness

I hope I don't regret not taking Ridley's 36. Murphy do something

Finnius

I passed on Gawn VC score so I could field Murphy over Ridley. Thought that the difference between Murphy and Ridley would make up any points lost between Grundy and Gawn. Not looking like the smartest choice at this stage…

BlueBaggerJosh

Definitely trading in Tom Phillips, tearing the dockers apart. Gonna be a bit expensive though

Finnius

Only at 500k right now. Think he will go up about 40-50k so won't be too bad.

Finnius

ZGL playing an absolute blinder! Wish I had him onfield instead of Tim Smith right about now… Rookie choices have cost me so many points this year.

Russty_

Hard to have faith in a guy whose last 4 scores have been 42, 50, 59 and 45 Finn..it's the SC Gods smiting their subjects.

Holty01

ZGL you can go get stuffed. Had him since round 1. Have kept the faith all year but couldnt pass on Walters so traded him out.

Russty_

Always the bloody way isn't it Holty?…as soon as you trade their shite scoring asses out!

Keenbutclueless

Traded him out for Smith this week. Also traded Fritsch out for Dusty. ZGL was never going to be onfield, so no points lost. I know the only way to get to premium is to trade out rookies, but it still hurts when they bite you on the butt as you show them the door.

BlueBaggerJosh

Go ZGL you good thing! Murphy watch and learn pls

Russty_

I'm playing a guy in my Last Minute Rag's League this week who left the C on Murphy…a shame cause we were ranked 70th or something last week.
Hate it when players in Leagues give up and bail on maintaining their team..wish they just wouldn't enter in the first place.

Russty_

Love you Grundy, love you Ryan, Fyfe…meh! wtf

DavidSA

What did Fyfe get sighted for?

Russty_

A head high hit on someone, can't remember who but commentators were saying it should only be a fine.

Ja191

yeah wasnt much in it just a fine plus they kiss brownlow favourites asses

AuroraBorealis?!

Pretty happy with the Treloar trade in this week, hopefully he can keep it up

Finnius

In my targets this week

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Might have saved the best game till last

Bit of a shootout and GWS have remembered how to tackle. COGS in scintilating form.
Big John P also looks ominous!
Coulld be a nice cheapie going fwd…
ZGL also having a day out.

Yeahnahyeah

Par? I'm looking at around 2150

Jack

About that

Dogdik

I’m usually about 150 below par this year, so going by my usual score, I’d say par may be about 2200-2250. Somewhere there?

JohnDJ59

I need a 60 score from Murphy to win my close game, playing the top position team in the league sons and I'm second last, I wish I went with Rice, that 62 would have done it for me.

Defying_Madness

I would be happy with a 40 from Murphy at this point and he doesn't even look like getting that

JohnDJ59

He's not moving, in fact he's going backwards.

Doc_1

After a round of carnage, it has come down to Taranto v Shaw (exactly tied without their scores)
Who wins?

Yeahnahyeah

I'd say Shaw

JohnDJ59

It was out of Murphy and Duman to go from my team this coming week, looks like Murphy has put himself forward to be traded out. Thought they were only good for 45 – 55 which is why I was thinking of putting one on the bench for Rice 62, I just didn't know which one, so left both on the field. So now I'm going to lose another close one. Would have been better if Murphy hadn't come back into the Crows team, then I would have had Rice on field.

DavidSA

This week has been a stinker huh
Might be pushing 2280 fingers crossed

Finnius

that is pretty solid i feel this week David

DavidSA

Yeah reckon lots of 2150-2250 scores
Anything well over 2350 this week will be jumping big time

Dogsdik

Solid, lipsticka

Defying_Madness

All I can say about this week is I had Murphy and Smith on field…

KSinny

All I can say is I had Murphy, Smith, Ridley, Cripps and McLean.

BlueBaggerJosh

Murphy going backwards at a rapid rate holy crap, Duman's 56 instead would be handy right now.

Derek

Oh dear. Had to put him on field after Ridley did poor. Didn’t think he was that bad

SCWars94

What a stinker of a week. So many 🥔

KSinny

Barely scrapped 2000….

DavidSA

Same skinny 2229 before scaling

SCWars94

Mate that is a good score this week

Russty_

FKN Crows ruined my perfect Tipping week hahah always the way ay?!

DavidSA

2229 before Shaw, Cogs and Laird scaling

Cogs made sure we all never got near 2300 lol
What a week!

Only 10 of my players tonned up

Corey

Same Rusty I was 8 outta 8 going into that game

Russty_

Bloody bummer ay Corey?…I needed a leg up in the tips this week.

NEIL demons delight

Congrats Russty really turned it on in guns Only league lost You had this form at the start well done mate NDD

Russty_

Cheers Neil mate, had a lucky run this week mate, and many others had some bad luck this week.

SCWars94

Dont tip Adelaide again this year mate. They are done

DavidSA

Yeah Crows are dead

Russty_

Cam Ellis Yoelman is dead to me…he's gotta go!

iLoveNMFC

2,030… Gone from rank 500 3 weeks ago to probably 5000 this week… This year is turning into a nightmare…

DavidSA

Yeah that's low even for this week
2175-2250 would be par

Neverweaken

2163. Thank you Tom McDonald captain Gawn and managing to loop Spargo for Holman. Otherwise Cripps, Murphy, Smith and lots of 80-90s

Russty_

Nice work picking up T-Mac NW…I wanted to get him two weeks ago but his apparent injury scared me off, he could be close to unaffordable now.

hedski

Scraped in about 2180 odd pre scaling, jeez a week can make a big difference.
T.Smith and Murphy, you're muppets, I'll forgive Cripps, the rest were OK without setting the world on fire.
Got the chocolates in all but 1 league I think, pity it was the cash league I really needed to win (well played Derek, I have you 3 times next week so if I can get 2 of those we're even!).
How'd everyone on else go?

Russty_

Don't like being an own Trumpet blower Hedski, but I think I won all my Leagues this week…had some luck there too.

hedski

Nice work Russty 👍

JohnDJ59

2076, so not great, keeping Murphy on field and not taking the 62 from Rice cost me two league games, but I still won four and am now in the top 8 in the Guns and Rookies League, so not all bad.

Russty_

Nice work John DJ, considering you're cursed from accidentally squashing a black cat in your 1993 Nissan Patrol! 🙂

JohnDJ59

HaHaHa, good one Russty, but I always look out for my two cats before I drive off and I've never owned a 4wd. Used to be into bikes until I got to old, now I drive a 2006 Golf GTI.

NEIL demons delight

Good on you John That league's going to be close NDD

JohnDJ59

Thanks Neil, with the year I'm having, it would be nice to scrape into a few finals, I'm a chance in four, the other six near or on the bottom. You never know though, in the sons league I'm sitting second last, but have the most points scored against me and nearly beat the leader who has only lost the one game and is in the top 5000.

Russty_

Hey john, even if you end up making 4 top finals, that's a good thing and it's still fun having a chance to win the final of the bottom 8 ., once it's over, it's done anyhoo and then onwards and upwards to next year.

JohnDJ59

Hey Russty I ended up in the bottom 8, came 9th, in one of my leagues last year and even though I won, I didn't really get anything out of it, it felt a bit hollow. I say I'm a chance in four leagues for finals action, but really its only in two that I should make it. The way the season has gone so far, that might do me.

Beezneez

I'm in 9th place although I have the same no. of points as NDD in 5th. Two losses by 1 and 3 points hasn't helped. Would have had a better score if I had have paid more attention to the start time of the Geelong game and taken Gawn's vc score as I intended instead of leaving the C on Dangerfield.

SCWars94

2,209 for me this week

NEIL demons delight

2228 Russty got me in 'guns' only loss f##k you Russty spoilt a full hand NDD

Russty_

Sorry mate, as Mick and Keith would say…"You can't always get what you want"…lol

NEIL demons delight

Get ya yayas out

Russty_

Let it Bleed Neil…your heart that is lol 😉

JohnDJ59

Still the best album the stones have brought out, classic.

SamuraiPizzaCat

2121 for me, that's 433 points less than last round and I "upgraded" a player!

Russty_

Good score last week though Pizzacat…I haven't even gotten close to 2500 this year.

Connor

umm hedski if you beat Derek in 1 league, you beat him in all… hahaha

Derek

You just never know

Russty_

Derek offered me a 50-50 win this week, I would've taken it if I didn't get lucky haha

hedski

Yeah that's the joke there Connor 👍

Lazza

2230 for me Hedski.. better than average for a change …

Sandyf62

2069 for me, won four of my eight leagues, my only real stuff up was having Smith on field, but he got hit in the back, so doesn't really count and not getting my VC right, Danger instead of Gawn and my C right, Fyfe instead of Titch. Plus a quick call out to JohnJD I play your Black Flag team in 'TheSonsOfAnarchy' League next week, not much difference in our scores this week, so could be interesting.

The Ranger

You got me Hedski. Bloody Levi bloody Greenwood probably the difference.

hedski

What did he do Ranger?

The Ranger

He was tagging Fyfe. But I just noticed you have Fyfe too so not that then.
Looks more like your Cats boys did it, Selwood and Menegola.

hedski

Yeah glad I punted Billings for Menagola a few weeks back.
Thought you might have captained Fyfe.

SC_Sixty6

Just found out the champion data blokes are diehard Carlton supporters. Explains why Gibbs was robbed.

Defying_Madness

I don't blame them for robbing him after he tanked Cogs score

r_calve

gibbs deserve at least 150 for that last quarter alone, he got like 12 touches and 7 clearances

BadgerHoney7

2080 for me this week – awful (smith 26, appleby 34, jom 65, mclean 63, cripps 54) then underperformers (dusty 85, simmo 82, dev smith 77, gaff 85, fyfe 78, yeo 70) really terrible after 2512 last week.

BlueBaggerJosh

2150 this week, bit below par I think

Derek

Didn’t see game. What happened to Coniglio. Was heading for 120+

KSinny

I think he was off most of the last quarter with a suspected concussion.

Defying_Madness

Knocked his head into Gibbs

Ahmad rubas

traded langdon out who made 24k this week 🙂

AuroraBorealis?!

Any idea what par is this week? I managed to pull out 2150 which i think is slightly below

JohnDJ59

I'm seeing a range between 1900 to 2300 in my leagues, so I would say you are right on it.

Lazza

2179

Connor

Cost myself 3 league wins (and potentially a lot of rankings) by putting forgetting to loop Smith with Giles-Langdon and not putting Holman back on field after his bye

Russty_

SC is finally open…went up 2103 places to 2256…sorry for bragging, but I'm stoked, I'm sure I'll be back to crapsville after the byes haha

KSinny

Surprised I only lost 3.1k spots with 2023

Derek

Nice Russty.

The byes are here. A few hundred points is nothing to make up.

BoltonsBlues

somehow, someway I climbed to 392 (from 497) with a dismal score of 2187

Derek

I think only 1 in the top 20 went over 2200

TRIGGA_HAPPY

Must have been some shockers as i climbed another 40 spots. 🤫

Holty01

All good Rusty and well done. I wouldnt say ur bragging mate. Big difference about being prideful about ur success as oppose to being arrogant.

NEIL demons delight

Be proud mate Well done NDD

Goat

Makes my disaster 2100 look ok. Sitting at about 2200 overall but the last 2 weeks have not been good…

NoLanguage

Nice work Rustty! I went from 1892 to 1426 with a 2193 so was pretty happy considering the carnage

Sc_Wow

Well done Ruusty

SamuraiPizzaCat

Nice work Russty, wish my rank was that good!

KSinny

How many does everyone have playing next week? I have 21 with 12 Premos.

Russty_

Hey Sinny, next week's not the problem mate, the 2 weeks after are big problems for me.

Patch

I've got 21 as well, but round 14 is looming as an absolute shocker

hedski

Nice work on the rank Patch!!

Steeeve

Same with everyone. It's what has stopped me from bringing in Walters. I really want a D6 who is not playing that round as well. Will have Laird, Yeo, Simmo, Sicily and Hurley.

Lazza

22 with 12 premos

Nick

19 with 15 premos atm, still have 2 more trades to use this week though

Ahmad rubas

24 playing with 16 premos not looking good for round 13 and 14 especially 13

BlueBaggerJosh

mirra-Mihocek (cash to make but js doesnt look great with birchall almost ready to return and allows me to keep ZGL)
Deledio-T-Mac (rectify a mistake)
Doedee-Tom Phillips (could go Oliver but want to set my midfield apart from the pack)
scored 2148 and ranked 1390, aiming to crack into the 1k by years end

Jack

I think Mihocek does have decent JS. I'm going early

theRealPod

Mihocek played way better than Appleby so I reckon he'll be right.

Corey

I have 21 on the field this week thinking I might not make any trades this week is it worth making any when you have 20 or more playing?

The King

Always useful to make a couple of downgrades. Easy to trade in premiums who are coming off their bye

Derek

Keep the cash generation going

Russty_

Austin could be worth considering this week…for making cash and future points.

BoltonsBlues

Ranked 392 after a somewhat disappointing week of 2187

Only doing Mirra to Austin this week, leaves 250k in the bank
20 players fit and ready to go this week
Then No trades and still will have 22 fit players for Round 13
Then the carnage begins
Out – Murphy, Henry
In – Ahern and Mihocek
Leaves me 540k with 18 fit players, 10 trades and 4 upgrades needed (2 upgrades if you dont count Doedee and Fristch as upgrades needed)

Russty_

You're travelling well mate for a strong finish to the year…think 2187 was above par this week.

NEIL demons delight

In one of my leagues I have 4 wins and 100.3 per cent and sit 9th. The 8th team is the same. Any body know how they split us at years end. He has a record of 3 /2 wins and losses I have 2/3 I assume that's why he is 8th thanks fellas NDD

Russty_

Yeah more wins will put them in front of you if percentage is similar or the same Neil, so you need to win more! 🙂 stop losing to me haha

NEIL demons delight

Stop being so dam good rusty. that 3/2 compared to my 2/3 is only recent history .Surely that's not the answer Decimal point seems logical cheers NDD

mac_time

Thought they would go to the next decimal point

Beezneez

Alphabetical order of team name?

Aaron's aardvarks

Hope you're right

Beezneez

😃😄😄

redherringfc

Just guessing but currently i’d say it’s on alphabetical order.

If tied up at seasons end (which would mean equal points and exactly same for and against) then it could be who won the head to head.

If that was a draw, I think I read somewhere, that position is determined by who signed up first.

Crowmagnon

Maybe if % and points are the same, they give the chocolates to the team with the highest FOR score?

Mark

Dropped my first league game of the season and dropped 55 spots to 159 overall:( Brought in McLean and Smith that didn't exactly work out. Traded out Fritsch to get McLean:)

Russty_

Congrats on the rank Mark, that's great mate, Fritsch for Mclean will work out, and I'm sure getting Smith made you some valuable dollars.

BlueBoy

Traded Kelly and Fritsch for Smith and Danger… then captained Fyfe

I deserve everything I got…

theRealPod

Ouch how can you predict that? Chin up Blue Danger will redeem himself, I hope sooner rather than later.

JohnDJ59

So looking at my not so great team, I have narrowed my premo gets to this, def, two of these three, Simmo, Yeo, Hurn, mids, one of these three, Gaff, Bont, Crouch, fwds, these two Hogan and Buddy, leaving Fritsch at F6 due to not having enough trades and also not really knowing who else I like. That will get me to good enough premo, with a couple of trades left over in case I make the finals in any of my leagues.

Sandyf62

Hi john, out of those players I have Yeo, Buddy and Fritsch and will be looking at Crouch after his bye.

Will

Bringing in Mitch Duncan in my final midspot.

Midfield will be Macrae, Titch, Fyfe, Danger, Cripps, Duncan, Cogs and Dusty. Would prefer Oliver but can't due to my bye structure (have cover in forward line and defence for players with the R14 bye, have none for the R13 bye and both my rucks have that bye).

Considering J Selwood instead as he represents good value and could score similarly to Duncan, but I don't have total faith in his body and think Duncan has the higher ceiling at this stage (Duncan went bananas at the end of last year and has a 5 round average of 118, I think Selwood's scores will be up and down for the rest of the year and I think his 120 avg days are over).

Ja191

Very good pick and a great pod he’s so underrated as a player

Jack

What's people thoughts on getting rid of Barry if running low on trades? FWIW I can still field 20 this week (with Barry) and it's probably my hardest as missing Simpson, Sicily, Macrae, Cripps, Mitchell, McLean and Lycett

FFC

Personally, Got rid of Barry last week…went T.Smith (which didn't go so well this week – cost me league win by 2 points) – but overall i think T.Smith will offer more value than Barry – he doesn't seem to be playing or even an emergency). However you will need to look elsewhere for value.

TBone_9

Captaincy this week looking the hardest so far! I’m thinking it’s gotta be Fyfe into Gawn. What are you guys looking at?

Ahmad rubas

I like Kelly into Fyfe. Don't think Kelly has shown signs of scoring well just more of a pod pick and hope he goes well. Gawn may struggle for a big score with grundy

redherringfc

I think Kelly for vc is a good move. He may see a bit more of it if Coniglio doesn’t play and at home against gold coast.

If Sandi is back then Fyfe should be good. If not then he might not go so well again.

Jack

Danger into Fyfe locked and loaded. Jacobs will tag Selwood I think

Ricardo

Champions generally bounce back from a bad game. Fyfe C

Defying_Madness

Cogs into Fyfe for me

hedski

Cogs could be touch and go to play DM, got concussed.

Defying_Madness

Not really any other options though. Heeney? Menegola?
Could bring in Robbie Gray or Wingard and put it on them

nick

So with Lever out with an ACL, does this mean that Hibbo's role will change?

Ahmad rubas

Hibberd has looked good past few weeks could start pumping out tons again

Jack

Fair call Nick definitely one to look out for. Jake Lever does play as the plus1 alot you would think with him gone Hibberd would be playing that role a bit.

Derek

Very interesting…………

FearTheBeard

Can I get some early advise lads. Looking at last forward.

Walters, McDonald (would allow swing with Sicily in finals if anything happens allowing more cover for bench options) or Menegola?

Leaning towards McDonald or walters

I have Heeney franklin smith McLean gray

Also can anyone else only use 2 trades despite it showing 3?

Jack

I'd go McDonald if money doesn't matter

Derek

Menagola is ticking a lot of boxes for me

redherringfc

Walters and McDonald are definitely up there in calculations, but I’m going Menegola this week. His numbers look very good and hardly anyone has him.

As for trades, I can do all three.

Steeeve

Bringing in Gray this week. Will play deep forward but should still average over 90. And good bye cover.
That makes my forward line:
Heeney, Gray, McLean, D Smith, Petracca and Curnow.
Should I bite the bullet and move one of Petracca/Curnow to Walters this week?

theRealPod

Na don't sideways trade until you're full premo. Hopefully Hinkley let's Gray play mids more otherwise you'll get the occasional turd.

Steeeve

Glad I didn't go either Curnow or Petracca to Walters this week, they both scored well. Will hold until after Freos bye then reassess