AROUND THE GROUNDS with Barron von Crow

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Round 2 is in the books and it was a mixed bag for sure. Lots of high scoring, but some poor scores from individual players, with a few late outs to throw some spanners in the works too. Thankfully we’ve had some very high scoring rookies early on this year, which could set us up very nicely later in the year when it comes time to upgrading. So, let’s go take a look at what happened in Round 2.

Around the Grounds

Victoria

Carlton

Not the greatest game we’ve seen from Carlton, who looked to regress a bit defensively from what we saw in Round 1, going down to the Gold Coast 67-101. Paddy Dow again didn’t find a ton of the ball, finishing with 11 disposals, 1 mark and 2 tackles for 46 SCPoints, while Ciaran Byrne had just 14 disposals and 3 marks for 53 SCPoints. Cam O’Shea was a late addition to the side, but he finished with just 14 disposals, 2 marks and 3 tackles for 48 SCPoints. Jarrod Garlett was a bit quieter this week with just 11 disposals, 1 mark and 3 tackles for 36 SCPoints. That can be the way these small types of players go in SC, he’ll be up and down, so I am leaving him as an emergency only option for the time being.

In a VFL trial match, the Northern Blues went down to Port Melbourne 100-69. Harry McKay booted 2 goals for the Blues, with Patrick Kerr and Kym Lebois also hitting the scoreboard for a goal each. Angus Schumacher finished with 21 disposals and Lachie O’Brien had 14.

Collingwood

It was a close game on Saturday afternoon, but the Pies were just pipped at the line in the last quarter by GWS, going down 79-95. Sam Murray couldn’t replicate his efforts in Round 1 with just the 58 SCPoints, although his stat line was largely similar to Round 1, with 20 disposals, 2 marks and 2 rebound 50’s. The stats are there, so I would still start him next week. Callum Brown played his first match of the year and had 12 disposals, 1 mark and 4 tackles for 50 SCPoints, while Jaidyn Stephenson finished with 13 disposals, 2 marks, 4 tackles and 64 SCPoints.

In the VFL, Collingwood lost to North Melbourne in a trial match, losing 103-66. Sam McLarty, Brandon Sier and Flynn Appleby were listed among the best for the Pies.

Essendon

Essendon couldn’t replicate their Round 1 fourth quarter heroics against Fremantle, they were down 22 at 3 quarter time, but couldn’t halt Fremantle’s momentum, eventually losing 106-90. Again, the Bombers just had Joshua Begley play from a rookie priced prospective and he had a similar game to Round 1, finishing with 12 disposals, 3 marks, 2 goals and 2 tackles for 52 SCPoints, with 5 clangers likely driving down his score a bit.

In a VFL trial match, Essendon went down to Footscray 91-81. Jake Long, Jordan Houlahan and Matt Guelfi were among the goalkickers for the Bombers.

Geelong

It went down to the final seconds of the game, but Geelong just fell short at the end, going down to Hawthorn 118-117. Well, first up, what a game from Tim Kelly! Dangerfield was back, but Kelly didn’t look to take a step back at all, finishing with 27 disposals, 6 marks, 6 inside 50’s and 4 clearances for 117 SCPoints. His BE sits at a lazy -166, with a projected increase of $127K if he can belt out another triple figure score. Awesome. Lachlan Fogarty was quieter in his 2nd game, with just the 8 disposals, 3 tackles and a goal for 47 SCPoints, the same with Zach Guthrie, who had 12 disposals and 5 marks for 45 SCPoints. Jack Henry made his AFL debut and had 5 disposals, 2 marks and 2 tackles for 27 SCPoints, while Mark O’Connor had an OK game with 12 disposals, 7 marks and 2 tackles for 62 SCPoints.

Geelong played the first game of the official VFL season, defeating Werribee 84-80. Charlie Constable starred with 31 disposals, 8 marks and 5 tackles while Jordan Cunico had 35 disposals, 9 marks and 5 inside 50’s.

Hawthorn

Again, no rookie priced players for Hawthorn, who won a terrific Easter Monday game against Geelong 118-117.

In their final VFL trial match, the Box Hill Hawks lost to Richmond 80-57. Mitch Lewis booted 3 goals, with James Worpel and Dylan Moore also booting singles.

Melbourne

Melbourne were given a bit of a scare in their match against Brisbane, but in the end proved to be the better side, taking the win 100-74. Bayley Fritsch was again OK in his role up forward for Melbourne, booting 2 goals with 9 disposals, 3 marks and 3 tackles for 60 SCPoints. Early days, but his BE is at -51, so should earn a solid $50K or so on his first price rise should be knock out a similar score in Round 3.

In a trial match the Casey Demons smashed the Frankston Dolphins 144 to 33. Sam Weidman was listed in Casey’s best, kicking 3 goals, while Mitch King and Lachlan Flipovic also hit the scoreboard.

North Melbourne

North Melbourne produced a quality second half, kicking 11.7 and restricting St Kilda to just 3 goals to take away a 95-43 win. Luke Davis-Uniacke had a very solid game, producing 16 disposals, 3 marks, 5 tackles, 4 clearances and more importantly, 77 SCPoints. That’s the type of scoring we’d like to see from him going forward. His BE is 9 this week, so hopefully he can score well again and push that BE down even further for Round 4. Ben Jacobs also produced some good defensive work with 10 tackles, with 18 disposals, 4 marks and a goal also for 104 SCPoints. He’s always going to be an up and down player in Supercoach terms, but when he manages to find the ball some, he can score OK. 6 disposals in Round 1 to 18 in Round 2 highlights this.

North Melbourne had a nice 47-point win against Collingwood in their VFL trial match, taking the win 103-66. Nick Larkey booted 4 goals.

Richmond

Richmond fell short in Round 2, going down to the Crows 118-82, and again their rookie priced players didn’t set the world on fire. Corey Ellis produced just the 11 disposals with 2 marks for 41 SCPoints, while Shai Bolton had 10 disposals, 2 marks, 1 goal and 3 tackles for 44 SCPoints.

In the 2nds, Richmond had a trial match against the Box Hill Hawks, which they won 80-57. Jack Higgins recorded 22 disposals, 5 marks, 5 tackles and a goal, while Noah Balta had 8 marks across half-back. Ivan Soldo finished with 20 hit outs in the ruck, along with 15 disposals and 4 marks, while Mabior Chol booted 2 goals up forward.

St Kilda

St Kilda won’t be happy with their effort on the weekend, going down to North 95-43, and we probably won’t be too happy with the results from their Supercoach rookies either. Hunter Clark had just 7 disposals, 1 mark and 4 tackles for a disappointing 26 SCPoints, while Ben Long had just 8 disposals, 2 marks and 2 tackles for 51 SCPoints.

In a VFL trial match, the Sandringham Zebras defeated Coburg 131-78. Bailey Rice had 24 disposals, while Josh Battle kicked 3 goals with Rowan Marshall chipping in with 2 goals.

Western Bulldogs

The Bulldogs didn’t have much luck at Etihad on Sunday, going down to the West Coast Eagles 121-70. Aaron Naughton was again a disappointment, producing 12 disposals, 8 marks and 2 tackles for 48 SCPoints. The stats themselves aren’t terrible, they’re just not translating to SC success much. His BE this week is 25, which he should hit, but we’d normally be looking at that sort of BE 5-6 weeks down the road, not in Round 3.

Billy Gowers had 13 disposals and 8 marks, but was inaccurate in front of goals, booting 1.3 for 57 SCPoints. 4 shots at goal is nothing to sneeze at though. Ed Richards made his AFL debut and had 11 disposals, 6 marks and a tackle for 49 SCPoints. Not the greatest starts, but not a total dud either. Finally, Tim English couldn’t re-create his form from Round 1, finishing with just 8 disposals, 2 marks and 6 hit outs for 33 SCPoints. Hopefully he can turn that form around for Round 3.

In a VFL trial match, Footscray got a 10-point win over Essendon. Lewis Young and Patrick Lipinski were listed among the best for the Bulldogs.

South Australia

Adelaide

A quality win for the Crows in the Grand Final re-match, and even better for us, a quality performance from both Tom Doedee and Lachlan Murphy, while the Crows other rookie selection Darcy Fogarty showed some nice glimpses, but remained slightly quieter outside of his goal scoring. Doedee was the big winner, notching up 25 disposals (@ 96% efficiency), 11 intercepts, 6 marks and 3 rebound 50’s for 115 SCPoints and a Round 2 Rising Star nomination. Murphy got most of his work done in a quick 30 second period in which he booted 2 goals, while also having 10 disposals, 2 marks and 3 tackles for 80 SCPoints. I’d still leave him as a bench option going forward though. Fogarty also booted 2 goals, while having just 7 disposals, 2 marks and 3 tackles for 44 SCPoints. The injury merry-go-round for the Crows might be good news for Murphy and Fog, with both Mackay and Matt Crouch likely to miss next week, which could be the easy ins for the returning from suspension Richard Douglas and Tom Lynch.

On the SANFL side of things, the Adelaide Reserves side was smashed by Port Adelaide, going down 128-33. Patrick Wilson was the standout for Adelaide, notching up 26 disposals, 7 marks, 7 clearances, 3 tackles, 7 inside 50’s and 4 rebound 50’s. Jackson Edwards was 2nd best with 17 disposals, 7 tackles and 4 clearances, Matthew Signorello had 16 disposals, 4 tackles and 2 marks while Ben Davis had 14 disposals, 5 marks and 4 inside 50’s.

Port Adelaide

It was neck and neck in the first half of the Power’s game against Sydney, but they pulled away in the 2nd, kicking 10 goals to 4 to win 94-71. Riley Bonner couldn’t replicate his terrific Round 1 form, but he still had a quality game, finishing with 18 disposals and 5 marks with 4 rebound 50’s for 76 SCPoints. He’s at the tippy top of the rookie price scale at $257K, but still has a -44 BE, with a projected change of probably $50K coming if he scores similar in Round 3.

Dom Barry had 15 disposals, 2 marks, 6 tackles and 6 inside 50’s for 62 SCPoints. His score was probably capped a bit by having 11 of his 15 disposals as uncontested. Finally, Todd Marshall was again dangerous in front of goals, booting 3, along with 12 disposals and 3 marks for 93 SCPoints.

In Round 1 of the SANFL season, the Magpies made easy work of the Adelaide reserves, winning 128-33. Joe Atley finished with 24 disposals, 5 tackles and 5 inside 50’s, Jarrod Lienert had 16 disposals, 4 marks and 4 rebound 50’s and Will Snelling had 22 disposals, 4 marks and 11 tackles.

 

Western Australia

Fremantle

Fremantle get to be the first AFL side to post a win at the new Optus Stadium in Perth, taking down Essendon 106-90. The Dockers introduced 2 new starters into their side for Round 2, with Adam Cerra and Mitch Crowden making their AFL debuts. Cerra had just 9 disposals, but booted 2 goals, along with 4 marks and 4 tackles for 61 SCPoints. We’d probably like to see him get a bit more of the ball, because he probably won’t be able to boot 2 goals every game. Crowden had just 11 disposals, with 2 marks and 2 tackles, with 4 clangers for 29 SCPoints. Not the greatest start in Supercoach, but he’ll likely get better.

We also had Andrew Brayshaw play, with AB finishing with 16 disposals, 3 marks, 5 tackles, 6 inside 50’s and 62 SCPoints. He’s in a tricky spot as we’d probably want him to do slightly better than the 60 he’s averaging so far since he started at $198K, but he hasn’t been a total disaster yet and there’s still time for him to improve. Bailey Banfield did slightly better with 14 disposals, 6 marks, 3 tackles and 64 SCPoints. Finally, Alex Pearce had 13 disposals and 4 marks for 70 SCPoints.

In the first round of the WAFL season, the Peel Thunder defeated East Fremantle 78-63. Sam Switkowski had 19 disposals, 3 marks and 6 tackles.

West Coast

West Coast had a solid win away from home in Round 2, defeating the Western Bulldogs 121-70.  Liam Ryan was the obvious star of the game, showing off some amazing abilities and finishing with 14 disposals, 6 marks, 3 tackles and kicked 3.3 for 115 SCPoints. He won’t score like that every week, but it’s nice to know he has that sort of potential in him.

Jake Waterman also had a quality impact up forward, kicking 2 goals with 13 disposals and 2 marks for 78 SCPoints. Daniel Venables was good in front of goals, kicking 3.1, with 12 disposals and 7 marks, but a disposal efficiency of 58% and 6 clangers dragged his score down to 59 SCPoints. Finally, Willie Rioli made his debut for the Eagles and had 8 disposals, 2 marks and 2 tackles for 31 SCPoints.

 

In Round 1 of the WAFL season East Perth couldn’t stop Subiaco, who booted 29 goals to take away a 188-70 win. Luke Partington had 21 disposals, 2 marks and 7 inside 50’s, Jarrod Brander kicked 1.1 with 12 disposals and 7 marks, Thomas Cole had 11 disposals, 3 marks and 2 tackles and Brayden Ainsworth had 24 disposals, 7 marks and 2 inside 50’s with 3 behinds.

New South Wales

GWS

GWS continued their winning ways, defeating Collingwood 95-79, while Jeremey Finlayson continued his Heath Shaw Jr ways, producing a 23 disposal (21 kicks), 6 marks, 7 rebound 50’s game for 106 SCPoints. He has entered must start range. Zac Langdon managed to get on the board with 2 goals, along with 13 disposals, 3 marks and a tackle for 65 SCPoints. Not the worst result, but I fear that may be his ceiling and you’ll be fighting an uphill battle for him to hit that each week. That will generate him some OK cash, but may make him an iffy selection each week. Finally, Daniel Lloyd had 13 disposals, 1 mark, 3 tackles and a goal for 54 SCPoints. Not much worth getting excited about there.

In a NEAFL trial match, the UWS Giants lost to Sydney 88-57. Nick Shipley was noted as the BOG for the Giants, with Aidan Bonar receiving praise for his contested skills, as well as his ability to move forward, with Isaac Cumming also getting through his 2nd trial match after some injuries during the pre-season.

Sydney

The Swans couldn’t get the win at home in Round 2, going down to a tough Port Adelaide side 94-71. Robbie Fox finished the game with 12 disposals for 51 SCPoints, while Oliver Florent found the ball a bit more this week, finishing with 20 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles for 73 SCPoints.

 

Queensland

Brisbane

The Lions were down by 4 goals at 3 quarter time, but managed to fight back to get the scores level into the 4th, before Melbourne put the foot down to run away as eventual winners, winning 100-74. On the rookie front, it was another disappointing effort from Cameron Rayner who had just the 4 disposals, 1 mark and 3 tackles for 20 SCPoints, which failed to even his breakeven for the week, which now sits at 61, which is higher than the total amount of points he’s been able to score in the first two weeks.

In their final NEAFL trial match, the Lions went down to the Suns 78-53. The Lions didn’t provide any stats for the game.

Gold Coast

Top 4! Who’d of seen that coming, but that’s where the Suns find themselves after a solid 101-67 win against Carlton at Etihad on Saturday. The man is quickly becoming a favourite of ours thanks to some fantastic defensive work with Nic Holman notching up 11 tackles, along with 15 disposals and 2 marks for 92 SCPoints. The man is currently leading the league in tackles and is also 4th for tackles inside 50, which is a great result for him (and us!). I would continue to start him without any hesitation heading into Round 3.

The Suns defeated Brisbane in a trial match, though no stats were provided.

Top 5

  • DEF
    1. Tom Doedee – 100.5 AVG
    2. Jeremy Finlayson – 96.5 AVG
    3. Zach Guthrie – 65.5 AVG
    4. Sam Murray – 65 AVG
    5. Alex Pearce – 63.5 AVG


    MID

    1. Tim Kelly – 117.5 AVG
    2. Jeremy Finlayson – 96.5 AVG
    3. Nick Holman – 94 AVG
    4. Ben Jacobs – 66.5 AVG
    5. Lachlan Fogarty – 64.5 AVG


    RUC

    1. Tim English – 58 AVG


    FWD

    1. Liam Ryan – 76.5 AVG
    2. Todd Marshall – 76 AVG
    3. Jake Waterman – 64.5 AVG
    4. Jaidyn Stephenson – 63 ACG
    5. Bayley Fritsch – 60 AVG

 

 

And that’ll be it for this week. Thanks for reading and if you have any questions/comments, make sure you whack ‘em in the section below.

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  1. Dylan says:

    Naughton to Ryan via Sicily DP
    Crouch to Dusty
    Crouch to Oliver

    Pick 2 trades, weighing up my options

  2. Bloodnut says:

    Bradshaw to Smith. Also thinking about Neale to Dusty before Neale drops and Dusty goes up and out of my price range

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      Remember Matt Crouch last year! I haven't watched Freo yet this year, but look for what Neale is doing. Has his role changed? He's actually touching the ball more this year, he's just got his clangers up a bit more this year so far. Personally, I'd give him another couple of weeks to settle.

  3. Josh says:

    Went for Sidebottom as pod, not exactly what I was hoping for so far. Should I trade him for Coniglio and crouch for Oliver, hold Naughton. Or crouch for Crouch and Naughton for Coniglio and Bonner.
    My team currently is as follows:
    Back – Laird, Hibberd, McGrath, Doedee, Murray Finalyson (Naughton, Murphy)
    Mid – Dusty, Titch, Crouch, Fyfe, Cripps, Sidebottom, Kelly, Holman (Brayshaw, Banfield, Barry)
    Ruck – Gawn, Nic Nat (McInerny)
    Forward – Heeney, Billings, Smith, Petracca, Stephenson, Ryan (Fritsch, Giles-Langdon)
    Happy with my backline so would be ok with holding Naughton.
    Thoughts?

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      Sidebum hasn't absolutely stunk yet, so I'd go with Crouch and Naughton as the priorities to trade out.

  4. Ahmad rubas says:

    Was planning to trade Dow and Clark out as they aren't performing. But with hibberd bad start to the season would you reccomended hibberd down to a rookie and upgrade either Dow or Clark to dusty?

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      My general rule on premo downgrades is to try and trade for the sure thing, rather than a speculative choice. So if you're trading one premo out, whack another one in to replace them.

  5. Harry To says:

    Thoughts community?
    Hibberd to Luke Ryan
    Naughton to Bonner

  6. Goose says:

    Anyone know how P.Ahern is travelling for North Melb, is he still injured ?

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      He has played in their last two trial matches, but North have only been doing a one page wrap-up on their games and he wasn't mentioned in any of them, other than being listed as playing.

  7. The underdogs says:

    I need to trade rayner before his price drops but idk who to
    Fwd: smith, petracca, sicily, rayner, d.fogarty, fritsch, (ryan, garlett)

    122k 29 trades

  8. Walter says:

    Thanks Barron. I appreciate the enormous amount of work you have put into this.
    I was never confident about Sicily but I picked him anyway but now he is out.
    I have the funds for Heeney or Billings – but don’t like their bye round
    So, Boak or Robbie Gray.
    Who would you recommend. It will be my first trade.

  9. CJudd3Votes says:

    Love your work Barron. Naughton has proved to be superbly disappointing point production wise and will now be traded out by a stack of coaches. My inclination is to trade Bonner in for him however if Bonner isnt going to be a keeper (based on his round 2 form) would it be a better option going down to an O'connor given we are effectively trading in a cash cow?

    (For context backline currently is Hurley, Laird, Finlayson, Doedee, Murray, Murphy and Mihocek)

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      I doubt Bonner will be a keeper, but I still think he'll be capable of putting out scores of 80-90 more often than not. Smaller SCG ground probably isn't the greatest for a guy like him.

  10. Walter says:

    Or Taranto? His draws suits my structure. He might come on like Oliver did last year!

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      He very well could be this year's Oliver. Scully out may only improve his chances.

  11. TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

    Thanks Baron comprehensive and thorough as always.
    Only rook i dont have is Ryan.
    With an avg of 76 and the 100 from the weekend to hang around for another two weeks reckon it is worth trading him in as gonna make some sweet cash.
    Higgins is pretty close (rd 4 be ideal) so be a good downgrade rd 6.

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      I wouldn't be trading someone in on one performance personally. We saw how that went last year with Hannanan..ananan. However you spell that bloke from Melbourne's name.

      • Tibor says:

        Hannan is the name BVC. He went in and out more than……….last year, Not unlike a bloke called Oliver the year before. I think Melbourne call it the don't do what we did to Jack Watts development theory.

        Hannan looked pretty good early on smashed them in the VFL on the weekend. What chance do you think they bring him back in for Bailey Fritsch. It fits with what they do now and Fritsch got a heavy knock against Brisbane

  12. The Wizard says:

    G’day Community
    To trade crouch? Have 311,000 in the bank. Should I bring in dusty? Or go with a more conservative approach and bring in Cripps? My only issue with Cripps is whether he’ll be a top 10 midfield throughout the season.

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      That's it I think, mate. If you don't think he's a top 10 mid, then go for Dusty.

  13. redherringfc says:

    No mention of Keeffe from gws in the 2’s. He was named on the extended bench both weeks. Does anyone know if he played.

    When i did a reshuffle after Kreuzers 1st game injury (to keep him and get Lycett in as cover) I left myself with him in my team.

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      No idea on Keeffe, wasn't mentioned in the Giants wrapup, but that doesn't mean he didn't play.

  14. derek says:

    Patrick Wilson was the standout for Adelaide, notching up 26 disposals, 7 marks, 7 clearances, 3 tackles, 7 inside 50’s and 4 rebound 50’s

    looking for downgrade targets in a few weeks for the first culling.

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      Honestly, he'd probably be the only one with a chance ATM. I'd list Poholke too, but he didn't play on the weekend because of a sore hip.

      • derek says:

        Higgins must be getting close.

        what about Ahern?

        • Derek says:

          Very strong whispers out of Richmond that Higgins is playing this week. Bolton out

          • Russty_ says:

            I read that somewhere too, Bolton should get dropped.

          • BarronVonCrow says:

            He's been talked up by Richmond in both their trial write-ups. Sounds like they're pretty happy with him.

  15. gator59 says:

    Any news on Kruz or do we let him go… Still has one week before he starts bleeding cash

    • BarronVonCrow says:

      I think they said he'd likely be back this week.

    • SC_Sixty6 says:

      Lost power in his groin…..big men and groins spell trouble!

      • SW Roosters XXX says:

        He lost power in his groin as a result of the injury… That doesn't men it is an ongoing ailment…..

        He is either fit this week or he isn't……….. No doubt they will load up his training today and then will no more…..

        One would presume if he plays this week he is ready to go and over any power issues….

        The fact he returned to the ground in Round 1 albeit heavily restricted and then was a game day decision for round 2 suggests it was only a minor jag of the groin and he should be back firing on all cylinders sooner rather than later – eg Friday night!!

  16. Crowboy94 says:

    Still fighting with myself whether to trade Lambert or not?
    Also who could I trade Hunter Clark for?

    Please help community! 🙂

    • redherringfc says:

      Clark for any decent rookie you don’t have. See the lists above and pick from those.

  17. NiqPower says:

    Barron. I noted that you suggested to someone earlier that Sisily to Gray was ok since he was using his/her first trade.
    I haven’t used any either yet, but to get Gray, I have to use two trades. Perhaps Naughton to Murphy and Sicily to Gray, who hopefully will be a top 10 fwd. Sicily is $400K and Gray is $500K. That is why I didn’t get him a couple of weeks ago and, he was serving a suspension first game.
    If Barron is inundated, does anyone else have an informative opinion?

    • SC_Sixty6 says:

      Gray will be top 6 fwd. Clear of testi cancer now. He is in for a big year.

  18. Nick says:

    Baron and community thoughts on this trade;
    Merrett to congs then Naughton to Simpson?

    • James says:

      Depends if you think cogs will be a keeper, I'm still not convinced so seems like wasting trades for move around money for mine. Zerrett will come good.

  19. redherringfc says:

    Lots of questions being asked at the moment, my answer to almost everyone is hold.

    Hold Sicily
    hold merrett
    hold kreuzer
    hold zorko
    hold petracca
    hold greene
    hold hibberd (I think)
    hold. hold. hold.

    Why did you pick these people in the first place?

    Will you trade Dusty out after he gets a 90?

    Save your trades. Only trade multiple week injuries, like Crouch, or really dud selections.

    If my team avoids injuries (or rookies getting dropped) I’ll be on 30 trades until a rookie hits over 300k with a BE getting near their average.

    • Crowboy94 says:

      What about Lambert?

      • redherringfc says:

        Haven’t paid attention to him in a game. He had some 40’s early last season and backed them up with decent scores.

        Is he a dud selection? Possibly, but you won’t be happy if he comes good.

    • Tibor says:

      Fair enough on all but Sicily. There is bugger all wrong with his footy the question for everyone who picked him and those that considered him but said no was his flog factor. Those of us that picked him trusted that he would be less of a flog than last year but clearly he's not and that certainly isn't based on just the one incident. He will probably come back and post some good scores but his next flog tantrum will never be far off. Take your medicine and get rid of this imbecile

    • Russty_ says:

      Yep, Sicily is the exception on your list, don't need a loose cannon like that in my squad, thought his handlers would've told the flog to pull his head in but even Clarko doesn't seem to think he can control such a hotheaded dick.

      • SC_Sixty6 says:

        I'll be holding Sicily Russty. Team is scoring well enough……if he comes back and doesn't pull his head in he's then getting the flick.

        If I were to rage trade the flog I would look at Simpson coming in.

        • Russty_ says:

          Hey 66 I had him in the forwards though, and aren't really keen on a 34 year old, although Simmo is very good, I just can't do it mate, hold I mean..I just want him out, and really want Curnow in.

          P.S are you in my Last minute Rag's League 66?….what's your team name?

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Only have two of those guys,Petracca & Hibberd,keeping both.

  20. Angus says:

    You have been lucky – so far.

  21. JohnDJ59 says:

    Hi Barron,the detail and time you put into your articles are first rate,going with the full two trades this week,didn't want to but my hand has been forced.Mills to Simpson as my first upgrade,was going to downgrade to Bonner,but decided against it,the other trade is Crouch to Oliver due to the fact he might be out for 2+ weeks. I had Oliver in my team all preseason then when he had that knock on the knee scare I traded him out for Bont just before the start of the first round,been cross with myself about that trade for the last two weeks,so getting Clarry back in will be fine by me.

    • Russty_ says:

      Good trades Johnny Boy!

      • JohnDJ59 says:

        Thanks Russty,have to admit it didn't take long to hit the trade button.I am now starting to doubt my trades though,should I give Mills one more chance,he did get 90 in the first round,should I trade in Dusty instead of Clarry,since North have that guy who is a good tagger and get Oliver the week after.What was a simple decision,has turned complicated from thinking about it too much.

        • Russty_ says:

          Can understand your doubts John, but Dusty always has a slump, just gotta wait for it…he usually/ historically always drops significantly..that's when you bring him in, don't believe the talk about Oliver getting shut down, Oliver is a premo gun, he'll deal with it…he has more help now than he had previously, with Petracca, Hogan rotating through the mids.

          • JohnDJ59 says:

            Hey Russty,going to go with what I planned,last time I started thinking about it too much,Danger,Oliver & Buddy went out of my team,so sticking with my first thought.

  22. Adam says:

    Anyone else heard anything about a 4 week injury for Giles-Langdon?

  23. Pendleberries says:

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    Join this 222921
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  24. TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

    Geez there are at least 400 people who just like to burn trades.

    Nat Fyfe traded out by 150 people this week
    Josh kelly traded out by 250 people. He is averaging 112 and just gonna get better.

    Mind blowing its rd 2 settle down and take a breath.

    • JohnDJ59 says:

      Why the hell would anyone trade Fyfe is life out,he scored 120 on the weekend and was my VC.

      • Russty_ says:

        Haha, buggered if I know John, I guess if there were too many people playing this game who were good at it, it'd be too hard to do well lol

    • Russty_ says:

      For some people…stupid is a way of life 🙂

    • belly button fluff says:

      I suspect they maybe trying to get Danger in somehow. It's the most sensible possibility out of the silliness.

      • Russty_ says:

        Best thing to do was to hold on Danger though, only out a week, too problematic to try and get him in after the horse has bolted.

  25. James says:

    Deciding what to do with Naughton, Langdon, Hibberd, and Sicily.

    Was thinking of using just one trade with swings for Naughton to Liam Ryan and fielding Ryan and Fritsch as forward cover for Sicily and Langdon, but if Langdon is out for a while may be worth bringing in L.Fogarty in the mid for him and having Garlett forward.

    Also really tempted to flick off Hibberd for Simpson.

    Thoughts?

  26. Adam says:

    Hey guys, got T bell sitting on the pine do I downgrade to a rookie make some cash or spend some and get Curnow or someone similar??

    • Kevdup says:

      Hi Adam, got the same problem. Have Bell and C Ellis.
      Weighing up 3 options
      1. Get Kelly(cats) and Ryan (450k in bank to get Danger soon) via dual pos
      2. Get Kelly(cats) and Cripps via dual pos (not sure on top 10 mid)
      3. Get Kelly(cats) and Simmo via dual pos (looks top 5 defender)

      • Adam says:

        Hey mate like option 1 more or 3
        But that’s not helping me at all lol

        • Kevdup says:

          Sorry 🙂 I'd make the cash, if I were you.
          Same as your choice of option 1, which I like.
          cheers

  27. Rick Grimes says:

    Macrae. In 1% of teams. Looks like a great POD.

    • INPieman says:

      Dogs main ball user. Very vice POD

    • Tibor says:

      He's been better than handy for quite awhile but the doggies look like a train wreck at the moment. As a general rule I reckon there's always a better option than taking a bloke who is in a team that is battling..

  28. Noah says:

    Naughton or Murphy on field?

    • Dessie says:

      Good question. I m pondering too. I believe Naughton will come good, however Murphy in my opinion.

  29. johnno2908 says:

    I’ve got most of the good rooks, contemplating 1 trade this week. Sicily to Simpson.
    If Kade Simpson keeps his current role which surely he does, has to be a top 2 or 3 defender. Carlton are going to get scored against heavily, and he is taking the majority of kick ins. Kicks it to himself on pretty much every occasion, then kicks long to Casboult/Curnow etc. Playing loose and getting a lot of kicks. Very SC friendly game.
    Trade/No Trade?

    • INPieman says:

      Hard to argue Johnno. Kick in to yourself players score well. Heater back in the day a good example. Hibberd not taking kick ins seem to be hurting his scores. I'm very seriously considering swapping Hibbo for Simmo based on evidence. But it will come down to selections & possible carnage. Sicily will be a frustrating & rewarding player. Don't mind the trade if you have Sicily down back. Simmo will be far more consistent

    • Tibor says:

      Looking like the perfect SuperCoach player at the moment. With some of those kick it to himself kick ins I'd just like to see him kick to himself, then go short and run past for the handball receive.

      Slotting him in a vc this week.

    • neil demons delight says:

      To get him for 517 k is a bonus.

  30. Multi_ says:

    Sticking with my team as it is even Sicily I had figured he would miss 3 games this year due to stupidity, unfortunately its only Rd 3.
    Only 1 trade this week Matt Crouch to Danger although as simple as that should be, I will doubt it through the week as with all decisions SuperCoach related and I will wonder if I can pick him up cheaper later and should go Parker or Oliver instead.
    Still slight concern on how all those 3 will go in that midfield Monday's game was a really clean possession game from both teams and will not always work out that way.

  31. Alby says:

    M Crouch to T Mitchell and M Hibbert to K Simpson are they good trades or am I jumping the gun by not giving Hibbert a chance as for Crouch unsure how long he will be out. Thanks for the I put.

    • Multi_ says:

      pull the trigger on the M Crouch trade to Titch it will be a long enough injury that you cannot hold Crouch.
      Hibberd is a hard one really go with your gut on that he either bombs all year like Heath Shaw last year that I personally stuck with and did not trade to Hibberd, hindsight I should have.
      Generally speaking we stick with our premos and they usually come good but personally I doubted Hibberd would follow up last years efforts.

  32. CalebCripps922 says:

    Thinking of getting Bonner but i would need to Downgrade LDU to L.Fogarty to get Naughton to Bonner not really sure it worth 2 trades.
    Any help appreciated community!

    • INPieman says:

      Scooter Selwood back shortly. I'd be worried about L Fogarty's JS. I wouldn't trade LDU. Finally backed out a good score & he does have solid JS. I wouldn't cause that much compromise to get Bonner in

  33. neil demons delight says:

    Dumping the flog has created a problem because I now have a useless swing man Keefe.. Thinking of keeping FLOG and trading keefe to Murphy then trading FLOG to a real footballer Martin. Preserving trades is one thing but good corrective moves are neccessary

    • INPieman says:

      Sicily to Dusty sounds like a fair deal to me

    • Hawksburn boy says:

      Thanks to this forum, I have a good mid field but worried about Sicily. Being a Hawker I thought Clarkson might have gotten through to him so I’m making my first trade. Sicily to a real keeper – Gray.

      • Tibor says:

        As good a coach as Clarko is mate and he is very good this might be a weak area for him. Not sure how he goes for credibility if he wants to have a go at someone for throwing what amounts to a tantrum or convincing someone to shut the …..up.

        He was a yappy little mongrel when he played. Probably a bit unfair to raise the Battle of Britain incident but there is some great Clarko footage from his playing days including one Where Clarko is playing for Melbourne and follows Carey back gobbling off at him while Carey is lining up for about his tenth goal.

        He's been a legend as a coach but hardly a monument to self control.

        Maybe this is the sort of stuff he delegates to assistants. Who would be his go to now that Fagan and Hodge aren't there

    • SC_Sixty6 says:

      Can't believe you didn't start Martin. 😂😂😂😂😂

  34. Cliffy says:

    G'day community,

    Need a little assistance.

    Currently as my team stands:

    DEF: Laird, Hibberd, Lloyd, Bonner, Doedee, Finlayson (Naughton, Murray)
    MID: Martin, Mitchell, Kelly (GWS), Fyfe, Coniglio, Brayshaw, Kelly (GEEL), Holman (Banfield, Garlett, Barry)
    RUCK: Martin, Gawn (King)
    FWD: Heeney, Billings, McLean, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch (Giles-Langdon, Ryan)

    My biggest concerns it seems are Giles-Langdon (hand injury, out for a month), and Naughton (high BE already prior to 3rd game). Are there any other viable rookie Fwd options to trade in for Giles-Langdon, or should I utilise him as a loophole for now this week (pretty sure I can execute that).

    Additionally, is Naughton – Murphy worth a trade also in the long run?

    Cheers

  35. DacZawson says:

    Flirting with the idea of going Menegola down to Taranto. My concerns are that I'm going from a top-price forward to a mid-price risk but looking at Taranto's stats from the first two weeks his scores haven't been unrealistically inflated by goals so he could be the Clayton Oliver of 2018.

    What are people's thoughts?
    My other trade will be Giles-Langdon to Ryan.

    • INPieman says:

      Gary & Kelly have booted Menegola from the mids. So before he loses too much cash get rid of him. Taranto is a big risk but it could pay off. Awkward price

      • Sc_Wow says:

        Mena to a top 6 pick, don't see taranto being there come season end

        • SW Roosters XXX says:

          Depending on individual team structure and cash in bank I see Taranto as a valid risk given he has DP mid/fwd status….

          If he can average 95+ and be a keeper well that is a great get at just over 350K…

          If he doesn't quite get to that level then he makes a lot of appeal as an ideal M9 & F7 option using his DP late in the year to cover inevitable "general soreness" omissions of premiums as well as suspension and legit injuries… having someone like Taranto swinging b/w mid and fwd late in the year when trades are low as M9 & F7 option has plenty of appeal and means there is potential to keep him squad to sesaons end (thus not wasting a 2nd trade getting him out)

          Playing a very SC friendly role in a Top 4 team gives him a strong chance to continue to score consistently.. he is playing as a genuine mid with high TOG, attending plenty of centre bounces, wins contested footy, gets clearances and can kick a snag – all important attributes to accumulate SC points….

          Can see him scoring equally as well as the likes of Petracca and D Smith and having every chance to be a Top 10 fwd….

          Always great to have SC forwards in your team who are playing as genuine mids…

          No doubt Taranto is a risk but the lad can play and he does tick a lot of boxes that give plenty of food for thought and potentially a calculated and educated risk worth taking…..

          • Tibor says:

            Ya sold me, in he goes

          • TRIGGA_HAPPY says:

            And whitfield has moved out of the midfield into defence so it is timmy time.
            I reckon i will upgrade brayshaw to tarranto.

          • Valens_FC says:

            Taranto also scored on a 100 run rate in both JLT games so that’s 4 straight now. Score driven by CPs – 13 each of the last 2 weeks. Not Oliver 20+ territory but the right driver for SC scoring. Coupled with above excellent points from SW it’s the type of risk that makes sense – one where the risk / return looks very favourable.

      • SW Roosters XXX says:

        Interesting stat is that Menegolas midfield time has actually increased this year compared to last year according to champion data??

    • Tibor says:

      Don't think he can be the Clayton Oliver of 2018. Clayton Oliver wants that job. Taranto looks like a good pick up. He's a good player in a strong team, he's got some development time behind him and his role just expanded due to injuries, what's not to like about all of that

      • Derek says:

        Oliver will be the Oliver of 2017

        • juddy says:

          will scully out bring whitfield back into the guts now and stifle tarantos scoring? food for thought…

          I have to offload lambert/lobb and taranto may be the man for me

          • SW Roosters XXX says:

            Scully being out will not change Whitfield role one bit… Whitfield is flourishing in role of half back so that will not alter.. There was no Scully Round 1 and Whitfield played off halfback……

            Both Scully & Whitfield are outside mids regardless so will not effect Taranto role as an inside mid/fwd……

            • juddy says:

              thanks SW. just had to ask the question i haven't watched GWS this year was all. cheers

        • Tibor says:

          Oliver 2017 achieved quite a lot especially considering Gawn missed so much footy and Oliver did not have the benefit of a dominant ruck. Curious to see whether he gets a boost from having Max back. Early signs indicate that might happen

  36. r_calve says:

    should i trade either zorko, merret or hibberd and if so who for

  37. Rick Grimes says:

    What's the deal with Zac Fisher? Just a fluke start? 93 and 110 to kick off the year. Awkward $263k price but -48 be.

  38. AB13 says:

    Have gone Brayshaw to Kelly and Stoddart to Doedee.

    Sicily hits the pine for one week and Kelly starts ahead of Rockliff.

    Hibberd and Rockliff are only staying due to the trade limit at the moment. I do now have 101K in the bank so some upgrades should hopefully come next week.

    • Kracker says:

      Keep Brayshaw – Freo and get rid of Rocky. Keep Hibberd.
      4 trades in three weeks!!!!!
      You better go easily after this.

    • Derek says:

      oh my gosh. you didn't have Kelly or Doedee. at least you will get the cash increase

    • INPieman says:

      If that's the case I'd trade Rockliff to Tim Kelly & Stoddart to Doedee. Nice bank

  39. Ben says:

    What do u guys think of Armitage to Coniglio?
    Cheers community

  40. MRmoMAN says:

    In my opinion hibberd has to go… It's obvious he has had a role change with the limited kick ins he's had unlike previous years which would obviously increases his scoring by a fair bit. With the dees off to a good start this year i seriously dont see anything changing either? theres no need too. Lewis is there VC, and IMO will continue to be the 'leader' down back.

    at 545k i can only see him avg 85 max, and at 100k cheaper i like the look off both ryan, hurn and shaw..

    Seriously think if you have an underperforming midpricer for example JOM its worth downgrading to either one of the 3, and upgrading that midpricer to an uber premium.

    Is it worth trading a midpricer to a midpricer like coniglio? personally i think thats just a waste of two trades. do you want him in your final 8 mids? Dont think he will keep up his current form however do see him avg 105 from here out.

    The real Q is shaw hurn or ryan? would love your opinions,

    • INPieman says:

      Also thinking the same with Hibberd. It was a lot of cash to cough up for him. I will most likely cull him. Not that I like doing that with premiums. I'd like some more evidence with Shaw. Simmo I am more sold on

      • MRmoMAN says:

        yep.. and i think its okay for at least 1 sideway trade of a premium at the start of the season. I would much rather fix my team now than not correct it at all.

    • Tibor says:

      Shaw has been in decline for awhile and went on my never again list after last year. Prepared to wait on Hibberd because I think that defence set up at Melb is very much a work in progress. They leaked 80 points in the first half against Geelong but then restricted Geelong to 17 points in the second half and held Brisbane to 18 points in the first half. They then give up 7 unanswered goals in about twenty minutes of footy. They have Lever down there and they don't seem sure how to best use him. Frost will come back in because North has tall forwards. Once they settle down I think you see Hibberd back to better sc scores. He hasn't actually played poorly.

      Sideways trades on premos are usually a bad idea unless needed

      • INPieman says:

        I usually waste 6 trades a season on Rockliffe. I'm not picking him this year. So I have 6 trades to waste elsewhere. Getting rid of Hibberd until a clearer picture emerges about what's going on down back at the Dees might be a very wise decision

  41. juddy says:

    i am thinking lambert/lobb too taranto…
    thoughts?

    • juddy says:

      or lambert to L.Ryan/venables and really create a nice dusty fund

      • Maverick_ says:

        lambert > taranto (will outscore lambert by seasons end)
        lobb > ryan
        if ya structure allows it.
        free up some cash & looks like a fair play to me

    • Derek says:

      There is a lot of love for Taranto this week

      • Russty_ says:

        Is he a trap Derek?

        • Juddy says:

          Yeah I haven’t see him play myself but have looked at his stats, TOG and he was a star in U18s. Ticks a few boxes to show he may warrant selection. But it’s a star studded midfield already :/ what’s your take derek

  42. WinterHasArrived says:

    What do we think community?
    Hibbo to Bonner and Langdon to Coniglio.

  43. Mervtheperv says:

    Hi Barron or anyone who has an informed opinion.
    I have enough to get Martin if I do ONE of these trades.
    Dow, [email protected]$194K, promised so much, plus, through this community, I now realise not to buy expensive rookies, to Barry, [email protected]$117. But what is his JS like in a strong side? OR
    Naughton, WB @$167K to Murphy, Adelaide @$102K. What’s his JS in a strong side?

  44. Harry says:

    Hello community,
    Would u rather trade Armo to Coniglio or Hibberd to Simmo?
    Cheers community

    • fitzy says:

      you and ben the same bloke or just asking the questions… stop clogging the thread by asking the same questions under different names mate. it will get answered below

      • fitzy says:

        but armo to cogniio is definately the smarter trade ben/harry

      • Russty_ says:

        You're wrong fitzy, it's 195 guys asking the same question…because no one can be fkd reading anything these days…boring!

        • Fitzy says:

          Have noticed a lot of this going on unfortunately russty. A lot of scrolling n reading doubled up posts before you actually find some SC gold. Haha oh well still the best website out there 🙂

          • Russty_ says:

            A lot of panic out there, and people not trusting their own guts.
            At least if you use your own decision, you can blame yourself in the end rather than someone else.

  45. Mike says:

    WILL HIBBERED SCORE A TON THIS WEEK AGAINST NTH. OR WILL HE ROLL OUT ANOTHER 72

  46. fitzy says:

    is trading lambert & hibberd out to say taranto & shaw/Luke Ryan going to bite me?
    do i just hold tight and ride it out on hibbo atleast ignore the price drop and pray he finishes top 6-8 still?
    lambert has to go i think

    thoughts?

  47. Rick Grimes says:

    I'm holding onto Lambo. Looks like I'm in the minority. I don't think he's far off a score. There's no lack of energy, ball just not running his way. 118 last time he played Hawks.

    • Maverick_ says:

      still undecided myself! maybe lambert > taranto or L ryan for me. currently heavy up fwd with only two rookies one being the injured ZGL. or i'll hold he will be a nice POD if he comes good RG. big IF though. hopefully sooner rather than later. good luck

    • Rick Grimes says:

      Or I grab Robbie Gray. Yikes

  48. arz says:

    Naughton to murphy
    Bell to mclean
    1 forward rookie of fristch or liam ryan
    3 mid rookies – kelly holman brayshaw

    Or

    Naughton to Murphy
    Bell to cogz
    2 forward rookies from fristch,ryan and garlett
    Mid rookies: kelly holman (brayshaw on bench)

    Currently leaning towards mclean as he is more chance of being a top 8 fwd than cogz a top 10mid
    What do you guys think?

  49. JDP says:

    I picked Mills on advice from members of the community – I however now have concerns. As a D3 he is not cutting it.
    Thinking of giving Heater another chance – he gets the ball and when he does generally scores well.
    Thoughts appreciated 👍

    • Hobo says:

      Der3k is a Mills man!!!!

      • Derek says:

        I’m allowed, I have a cognitive bias towards him. Watched him play for years in the swans academy with my son, absolute gun and always played in the midfield. Went to the Swans and they put him in defence. Never had played there before. I’m just waiting for the day he goes into the midfield because I’ve seen what he can do.

        I started him again.

        Week one he scored ok as the loose player in defence. If he plays that role, only expect 80-90.

        Last week McVeigh took the role of the loose man and Mills was given a defensive role. I hardly saw him touch the ball.

        He isn’t playing midfield and looks unlikely.

        I’ll probsbly be moving him on, get Simpson. Sorry to say

        • Derek says:

          i'm back flipping. decided to back my man Mills.

          Simpson is pretty old and getting older.

    • Rick Grimes says:

      Gotta take personal responsibility. No one forced you to take Mills. That said, Ryan is another option at a similar price.

  50. Ja191 says:

    Looks like I will be going Greene to Heeney. Would you prioritise hibbered to simpson or omeara to coniglio for the second trade?

    • SW Roosters XXX says:

      Why would you be trading Greene?
      No LTI – still a chance to play this week..
      Surely he is a hold…

  51. Caleb says:

    Lambert to:
    Option 1 : Taranto
    Option 2 : ryan/o’connor via dpp
    Option 3 : hold he will come good

    I have 1 premo 5 midpricers and 2 rooks up fwd so going ryan won’t make me too light but will bank some serious coin

    • Russty_ says:

      Maybe post your side, and how much money you have..stand to gain from doing or not doing.

      • Caleb says:

        Def: laird hibberd bonner doedee finlayson Murray (murphy naughton)

        Mid: danger titch Fyfe oliver cognilio kelly Holman brayshaw (barry Garlett banfield)

        Ruck: Gawn Goldy

        Fwd: heeney lambert McLean Sicily smith lobb (fritsch ZGL)

        85k in the kitty and 29 trades remain.
        Thinkin lambert too Taranto or even Ryan to make a nice kitty of 430k for dusty rd 5 or 6.

        • Russty_ says:

          Maybe just get rid of ZGL and keep Lambert…he's better than what he's shown so far, ZGL out for 4 weeks, maybe Ryan for him?
          Sometimes holding pays off. Ryan could cover for Siciflog missing this week.

          • Caleb says:

            Is lobb going to be a keeper or could I go him to Taranto maybe… & ZGL to ryan

            • Russty_ says:

              Lobb could be a keeper, he's still trying to settle into his ruck role, or Taranto could be good too, but could also be a trap, if he can't maintain the points, Curnow is an option also…has had a good start.
              I went Sicily to Curnow this week.

  52. Caleb says:

    Def: laird hibberd bonner doedee finlayson Murray (murphy naughton)

    Mid: danger titch Fyfe oliver cognilio kelly Holman brayshaw (barry Garlett banfield)

    Ruck: Gawn Goldy

    Fwd: heeney lambert McLean Sicily smith lobb (fritsch ZGL)

    85k in the kitty and 29 trades remain.
    Thinkin lambert too Taranto? A lot of hype around him
    Is lobb a decent pick or could I go him down to a ryan. Make 450k in the kitty for dusty in 5-6 weeks

    Thoughts ?? Throw other options at me 🙂

  53. Nate says:

    No sure why everyone is going Cog crazy? They have played pretty easy opponents, and he kicked 3 goals at 63% for 120.

    Not sold at all- is he undervalued?, probably. But wasting a trade and buying someone at 450k, you are picking him as a top 8 keeper. I’m not so certain.

    A lot of points will get shared in that GWS midfield.

    I could be wrong but I won’t be wasting a trade on a maybe top 8. Big maybe… massive maybe…

  54. Dean says:

    I have Giles Langdon as one of my bench rookies in the forward and he will be out for 4 to 5 weeks due to braking his hand, im deliberating whether I should trade him out for Waterman what do you think?

    I have all the other rookies such as: Doedee, Murray, Finlayson, Naughton, Murphy, T Kelly, Holman, Banfield, Garlett, Barry, Fritsch & Ryan.

    Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

  55. Dean says:

    Also what option below do you all think is best. Option 1 im leading towards.

    OPTION 1
    Hibberd to Simpson
    Menegola to Robbie Gray

    OPTION 2
    Armatige to Cogs
    Menegola to Curnow or Acres

  56. Dave says:

    Hey community,
    Have Rayner (about to lose $) & Langdon (4+ weeks injury) and i need to replace them.
    Already have Ryan & Fritsch as FWD rooks. Any suggestions??? Looking at flicking Rayner for Gowers or Waterman for a few weeks cash,, and holding Langdon for a week or 2 to have a look at the next debutants coming through….