BY DAMIEN
Hayden who? Most people wouldn’t know a thing about Hayden Crozier, because he’s just not a standout player.
He’s not a highlights package, he’s not a ball magnet – in fact he’s never averaged more than 17 touches a game in his seven-year, 69-game career.
A lot of people might not even know the forward flanker was traded to the Western Bulldogs in the 2017 off-season.
I bring you this to consider Hayden Crozier the running defender, rather than Hayden Crozier the half forward flanker. Shock and horror ensued when I found out Ross Lyon wasn’t playing Crozier in his best position for 90% of his career, but he’s in safe hands now. I think.
Luke Beveridge sweet talked him into requesting a trade to the Dogs, which the Dockers were happy to facilitate. Well, happier to facilitate than some other trades they had to do in the off season.
So, Crozier has been brought over, and if news reports are to be believed he is being primed to take over the role Robert Murphy left behind after his retirement. And the stats for him in that role are encouraging, despite the small sample size.
| 2017 Games | 19 |
| Price (Position) | $341,400 (FWD) |
| Scores Below 80: | 18 |
| Scores Above 80: | 1 (84) |
| 2017 Highs and Lows: | High of 84, Low of 42 |
Not very impressive, is it?
So what stats have we got to go on to even consider him as an idea?
Well, not a lot to be honest, but let me cast your mind back to 2016. In 2016, Fremantle had an injury crisis, it resulted in them having too many of the same player available, so they sent Hayden Crozier to defence for the final 10 weeks of the season. He wasn’t bad either. He averaged 88.4 SuperCoach points over the first 5 weeks of that 10 week period.
THE GOOD
In the first 5 weeks of that 10 week period, Crozier had scores of 90, 100, 71, 87, 94 – Not bad for someone who mainly played in attack for his pre-registered career. Positively, he also recorded a close to 2:1 kick to handball ratio, with an average disposal efficiency of around 85%.
In the 10 weeks he spent in the backline he was ranked third at Fremantle for metres gained, and ranked the sixth best kick retention rate of the top 15 metres gained players at the club.
In 2017, despite not getting to the same lofty heights, his best scores were produced against clubs which the Bulldogs play in 4 of their first 7 games. As a forward, mind you. The Bulldogs play Fremantle (his former club) in those first 7 games, and he didn’t play in the Dockers only game against the Swans last season, another one of the first 7 teams the Bulldogs play. On top of that, in 2016, his top score of 100 came against Essendon who they play in round 3.
THE BAD
Not a lot to go on to consider him a safe option. His final 5 games in that 10 game stint in defence also produced scores of 54, 64, 56, 77, 62 – Not great. In fact, it calculates to about an average of 62.6 which is pretty much the average he is priced at in SuperCoach this year.
THE UGLY
As a forward, Crozier scores terribly. Both in SuperCoach and actual terms. If Luke Beveridge decides to backflip and sends him to help out in the forward half of the ground he won’t be any good to us. According to this season’s AFL prospectus, Crozier is rated below average for goals, shot at goal accuracy and score assists.
THE SUMMARY
Overall, there is not a lot to go on considering the small sample size we have for the defensive position he has been recruited for. The signs are good, but we have nothing to really bite at to quash our fears in selecting him. He had some nice scores, and his metres gained is a nice stat, but what will he be like as his new club? And will Luke Beveridge prefer to play new players like Ed Richards or Aaron Naughton over him or alongside him? What will that do to his scores? We don’t know, because there is such a small sample size. On the positive side though, we know what he can do if given the freedom to run and make the play across half back, and that’s something to monitor closely during the JLT series, because that’s probably our best indication of what to expect.
THE VERDICT
He was in my team when I started writing this. Now he is part of an contingency plan for my team, based on round one selections, and pending his JLT form.
54 Comments
Post_MaSloane · 27/02/2018 at 20:53
Wow, not a player I would have ever thought of. Thanks Damo. He would be a massive pod and if you are right in your predictions, an 88.4 average would be a great return for his price. Not for me though, if he shows some form I might jump on the bandwagon 😉
Russty_ · 28/02/2018 at 03:04
Really?…maybe if your ambition is to finish in the top 20,000
Post_MaSloane · 28/02/2018 at 10:11
Surely you're not starting with him rusty?
Russty_ · 28/02/2018 at 21:38
Surely not indeed Post 🙂 P.S there is no bandwagon on Crozier.
Post_MaSloane · 28/02/2018 at 22:03
Looks like in jumping off the roberton bandwagon as well
ZerrettForPM · 28/02/2018 at 23:27
There was a roberton bandwagon??
neil.Demons Delight · 28/02/2018 at 10:31
Zac Dawson much better thought he was a cricketer Hayden Crozier totally irrelevant give us a decent one fellas
The BONT · 27/02/2018 at 21:24
Im not convinced on Danger this year would it be better to go with:
Danger and Christianson
or
Kelly and Petracca
D_I_L_D_O_R · 27/02/2018 at 22:10
Are you nuts?
Russty_ · 28/02/2018 at 02:09
Danger would still play with a broken back…and still knock out 150, 2 out of every 3 weeks.
leedy · 28/02/2018 at 01:41
If I may … in reality that 10 game spell Crozier "spent in defence" only the first 5 or thereabouts were purely as a defender. After that he was shifted forward during games. I know because I was salivating at the thought that Freo had found a replacement for the Duff man. He reads the play exceptionally well and has a long accurate kick. Has always been a great mark too. After those first four of five games in defence Ross couldn't help but tinker around throwing him onto the wing and back and forth to the always non functioning forward line. Could be a huge POD and reward the plumsters handsomely.
SC_Kev7 · 28/02/2018 at 08:31
Spot on, leedy. Damien mentions the final 5 games of that 10 game stretch in ‘the bad’ section
Claire · 28/02/2018 at 06:14
Thanks Damien. And Leeds , above also. Very interesting.
A query from a relatively new Supercoacher.
Some advice I have read suggests that a good initial plan is to go for 10 premiums, no more than 5 mid priced players and say 15 rookies.
Using my forward line as an example –
Heeney @ $536K would be a premium and McLean, $470, D Smith $439K, Petracca $433 and Christensen $267 would be classed as mid pricers and say Rayner, $203 a rookie. If the advice I have read is correct that is 4 mid pricers just on my forward line!
What is the cutoff price between the grades. Is it only price or do other factors come into it?
SC_Kev7 · 28/02/2018 at 08:42
Hey Claire, best of luck for the season. The best way to look at it would be to class a “premium” as someone you, injury and form permitting, don’t plan to trade out. Heeney, McLean and Smith should serve you well. Trac is a 50/50 call. Christo would be unlikely to be in the top dozen forwards and you should look to trade him out once he hits his peak price
neil.Demons Delight · 28/02/2018 at 10:54
kev if I think Bundy is staying he becomes a premium and someone else may like Dahl all year so he is a premium in their view.. Too much — 250-500 midpricer above premium. .GAWN 503 k is a premium Dahl 498k a midpricer Easy for us all Someone " you don't plan to trade out " is a KEEPER simple this way
Claire · 28/02/2018 at 12:13
This is a little confusing Neil. Kev’s formula is a little clearer to a newie like me.
So you are saying that $500+ is a premium. My premiums are: Laird, Hibberd, Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Jacobs, Gawn & Heeney.
$250 to $499 (Say) is a midpricer. Mine are: Seedsman, Bonner, O’Meara, McLean, Smith & Petracca.
Up to $249 is NOT a midfielder. I don’t know enough about the recently drafted players yet so my team is incomplete. I’m thinking about Cheney ($242K), James Cousins ($209K) & Rayner ($203K) Surely the first can’t be classified as rookies. I have a lot to learn and the Damien type stories and replies are very SC educational to me.
neil.Demons Delight · 28/02/2018 at 12:42
we have to have a cut off point somewhere same as Dahlhouse @ 498k not a premium We use these cut off points to give advice.. good luck to you Claire these sites will help you a lot try fantasy supercoach .com for top articles videos and heaps of good advice you will enjoy it and improve cheers
Derek · 28/02/2018 at 11:53
Try working backwards.
Write down your ultimate team as if money was not limited. A team to start, not finish so take into account injury history.
These are your “keepers”. Was Devon and McLean in there? Shaw?
Everyone else in your team are there to make you money.
Pick Danger.
Then pick 2 defenders, 4 mids, 1 ruck and 2 forwards. Gives you 10.
Pick your starting keepers on “value” because you can’t have them all. I think Buddy and Menagola are overpriced. It is usually a gut feeling, knowing that nearly all of them will drop in price at some point, but some will drop more.
Previous years I’ve tried to squeeze 14 “keepers” into starting team, but was fooling myself to think a few of the were real keepers.
Hope that helps
Derek · 28/02/2018 at 11:59
Make that 2 rucks.
Claire · 28/02/2018 at 14:33
Thanks Derek. Very encouraging to me because I am close to your formula but having 5 not 4 mid premiums and 1 not two forwards. So, perhaps ditch Mc Lean and pick Greene, Winfield, Billings, or even Dahlhaus ($499K). You seem to know what you are talking about, who would you recommend?
Derek · 28/02/2018 at 14:58
the forward line traditionally drop in price more than other lines, mainly because of the key position forwards who's starting price is based on their whole 2017 year, but as you know it can be feast or famine with them.
i like to look for forwards who are genuine midfielders, because that is where the consistent points will come from.
menagola, Heeney, Billings and barlow are all on my keeper list because of this.
Buddy makes my list because he is very good.
The final place was going to be RGray, but i'm not sure now as it doesn't look like he will be playing much in the guts.
D_I_L_D_O_R · 28/02/2018 at 22:13
I also like to steer clear of loose cannons, blokes that are really valuable in your team but have the temper of a 4 y/o. Ie. Greene, Gray, DeGoey, Stringer
Claire · 01/03/2018 at 19:48
Is it best to pick new rookies valued at $200K or those around $123K. I read somewhere that the dearer rookies don’t make as much as the cheaper ones. I don’t get it? Obviously the new players have to get a handful of games to make some money. Also, when is it best to sell a rookie. Lots to learn!
Russty_ · 01/03/2018 at 23:55
Hey Claire, the ones you need to pick are the ones you are certain will play round 1, they could be a mixture of cheap and expensive rookies, but trumped up rookies who don't get a game won't do you any good at all.
So, you might have to make several decisions regarding that on the last selection night before the first game.
The key with rookies is, trade them out when they've made their maximum money, or keep them if they're scoring well enough…but that is rare.
Rookies are for making profit off, to upgrade to reliable premium players.
gator59 · 28/02/2018 at 15:27
Hi Claire if you want a decent league to get into which derek and a few well named coaches are in … Oceans 14.. code…262945 welcome aboard if you want.. Just let me know your team name.. Cheers gator… btw Derek and Neil are very good mentors
Claire · 28/02/2018 at 17:53
Thanks but no thanks. I am a novice and I’d be embarrassed getting thrashed by you experienced SCers. However I’d appreciate som3 advice occasionally.
gator59 · 28/02/2018 at 18:18
I hear what you are saying but there's only one way to learn this caper and that is to play against some of the best and learn from your mistakes and see how they go about it.. So don't be embarressed.. We all had to start somewhere and i'm giving you the opportunity to come into a league that already have 2 women in it and I say good on you for having a go.. Just remember you can join up to 10 leagues and this could be one that you can learn from for future years to come.. So Please have a go
Claire · 28/02/2018 at 22:19
I’ve spoken to my boyfriend Pete and together we will give it a go. I’ll use his email address. So our team is called ‘Another PP’. He claims? He played SC about 4 years ago however I think he is as clueless as me. Is there a booby prize?
Russty_ · 28/02/2018 at 23:35
You'll be right Claire, just dump guys when they start losing money and jump onto guys when they start knocking out good scores and you'll be ok.
Also, sometimes you have to hang onto guys for a bit longer than you think if you believe they can turn it around…and are keepers.
Above all, make sure you have trades left to go into the finals, maybe 6.
gator59 · 28/02/2018 at 23:52
Great advice there Russty and we'll help guide her through … Oh yeah Russty jump in to the code is above
Russty_ · 01/03/2018 at 00:59
Cheers Gat, jumped in mate.
gator59 · 28/02/2018 at 23:38
Hi Claire,,No booby prize sorry.. You may be surprise yourself and do ok … One thing I have learnt over the journey is DON'T be afraid to ask questions ..You'll be surprised on how many coaches will try to help if you have a problem.. If not on this page head over to fantasysupercoach.com where there is a lot of info and articles that are brilliant.. cheers and thanks for joining and good luck..
Lekdog · 28/02/2018 at 23:34
I’m more flexible with the premium title (I actually have a different set of categories I use but it hasn’t caught on yet), in midfield and ruck $500k+ although in the mids you need a couple captain worthy players I.e Fanger and Dusty. In the forwardline and backline I go $450k plus for premium
neil.Demons Delight · 01/03/2018 at 12:50
It would be a lot easier if we all used the same system but give credit LEk I think 50k less at the bookends makes sense but what of the midpricers You get rookies like Weiters who were well over 200k so its got to start later that's why many use the 250 k cutoff
SC_Kev7 · 28/02/2018 at 08:45
He will need a very special JLT and a few other guys to fall over to assure me he would be #1 choice rebounder at the Dogs.
Applaud the out of the box thinking though
Danners · 28/02/2018 at 11:35
Good stuff Damien! Too much risk for me, in that price range where he would have to make a quick $150k or become a premo. I can't see Crozier doing either of those. Would rather spend the extra $100k on D.Smith or Petracca
TommyC99 · 28/02/2018 at 16:02
I am actually considering taking Mcevoy over Jacobs. Thoughts?
Derek · 28/02/2018 at 22:00
Ceglar is prob not going to be ready for round 1, so if he isn’t named don’t get too excited about McElroy being a lone wolf.
Clarko loves the two ruck structure and it won’t be long before Ceglar is playing
Pittonet it also a chance to play.
PDAP · 28/02/2018 at 18:05
Gator. I’m looking for a league to join that will improve me. I finished in the 9000’s last year.
What do you reckon.
gator59 · 28/02/2018 at 21:36
Seeing that you have asked and not like others and jump in when they're not invited jump into the… Oceans 14… private league.. Code is.. 262945 … Let me know your team name so I don't kick you out.. cheers bud
arz · 28/02/2018 at 21:44
Hey gator also looking to join a league with all the guys on this page. Finished in the top 2k last year
gator59 · 28/02/2018 at 22:37
Ok arz.. mate jump in and let me know your team name..cheers
arz · 28/02/2018 at 23:00
Just joined mate. Should be team 14
arz · 28/02/2018 at 23:03
Team name is:arazyzz
gator59 · 28/02/2018 at 23:13
ok mate
JEL · 01/03/2018 at 14:45
Hi gator, any chance in joining your team. finished in the 7,000's last year
gator59 · 01/03/2018 at 16:24
jump in JEL mate and let me know your team name so I don't kick you out
JEL · 01/03/2018 at 17:12
Thanks mate, that would be the Jolly Jels
gator59 · 01/03/2018 at 17:40
cheers mate
JEL · 01/03/2018 at 18:03
Feel free to join the Jock Straps (981153) if your after another league to join
nick french · 01/03/2018 at 18:34
hey gator could I jump in I am a pretty experienced SuperCoach player my team name is frenchys flock
nick french · 01/03/2018 at 18:35
also JEL if thats alright with you
gator59 · 01/03/2018 at 19:11
jump in Nick .. you have snagged the last spot .. gl mate
Seeker · 01/03/2018 at 10:58
Nice one Damien.
As a Bulldog member I am rapt to have Crozier at the club. I just can't start him in SC, however. I think he could be a solid POD upgrade if he does fulfill his promise across halfback, though!
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