SuperCoach RD19: The Heroes, The Villains, The Damned.

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Has there ever been a better second-year SuperCoach player than Clayton Oliver?  


The feisty Demon red nut is having a staggering season and looks to be getting better with every game.  He smashed out a lazy 170 on Saturday, boosting his season average to 112.

For a second-year kid, his numbers since Round 1 are incredible: 109, 139, 102, 112, 115, 108, 91, 142, 91, 112, 107, 102, 113, 80, 116, 95, 116, 170.

Of course there is the flog factor to take into consideration, but credit where credit is due, the kid has been exceptional on the field this season.

The absence of a high-scoring captaincy option kept scores down for the round, with par around the 2200 mark.


The Heroes

Jeez, it was some game Tom Hawkins (192 SC) played on Saturday night. The big Tomahawk gathered 27 disposals, booted six goals and clunked 12 marks. Aside from his performance in the 2011 grand final, it could well be the best game he has ever played in the AFL.

It was a mammoth game from Clayton Oliver (170 SC), especially considering his kick to handball ratio. Oliver had 27 handballs and just six kicks. But he thrived in the contest, amassing a staggering 26 contested possessions and 12 tackles, while still managing to keep his efficiency at an elite level – going at 81%.

Taylor Adams (144 SC) was on fire on Sunday afternoon, amassing 34 disposals, 7 marks, 6 tackles and 3 goals in a best on ground performance. Fellow Magpie Jeremy Howe (131 SC) also shone for Collingwood with 32 disposals and 8 marks.

Dustin Martin (142 SC) has compiled a magnificent body of work in 2017. His 34-possession outing on Saturday night was just another chapter in his extraordinary year. Seb Ross (132 SC), Patrick Ryder (130 SC) and Matt Crouch (120 SC) all continued their stellar form in 2017, rewarding their owners with excellent totals.

Nat Fyfe (132 SC) is well and truly back after a sublime 31-touch, 2-goal effort, while Dockers team mate Luke Ryan (136 SC) produced the best performance of his short AFL career – 19 kicks, 6 handballs, 14 marks, 6 tackles at 88%.

Other significant scores: Luke Dunstan (140 SC), Aaron Hall (134 SC), Andrew Swallow (131 SC), Daniel Rioli (131 SC), Daniel Wells (130 SC), Jordan Roughead (127 SC), Brodie Smith (127 SC), Daniel Rich (124 SC), Luke Shuey (121 SC), Dayne Beams (121 C).


The Villains

Gun midfielders Zach Merrett (67 SC), Joel Selwood (65 SC) and Rory Sloane (36 SC) were all tagged out of their respective games, with Tom Liberatore blanketing Merrett, Sam Kerridge doing the job on Selwood and Levi Greenwood successfully keeping Sloane to just 16 disposals.

Swans trio Isaac Heeney (80 SC), Dan Hannebery (74 SC) and Lance Franklin (65 SC) were all well down on their usual output on Friday night, something that no doubt factored into Sydney’s loss. Defensive pair Dylan Roberton (82 SC) and Michael Hibberd (81 SC) continued their yo-yo form, while Hugh Greenwood (51 SC) struggled for game time in what perhaps is a bad omen for those still holding him.

Popular selections Gary Ablett (late withdrawal) and Sam Lloyd (late withdrawal) provided their owners with a nice bit of carnage, while Elliot Yeo (80 SC) has dipped in form over the past month after a strong start to the season.

Matthew Kruezer (74 SC) suffered a rare blemish in an otherwise quality season, while Blues teammates Kade Simpson (61 SC) and Bryce Gibbs (58 SC) were also quiet. Bulldogs duo Mitch Wallis (81 SC) and Luke Dahlhaus (72 SC) both had little impact on their match.


The Redeemers

Those still holding Jarryd Roughead (130 SC) were handsomely rewarded on Friday night. The Hawks captain kicked 2 goals, including the match-winner, and had 24 possessions and 8 marks to be one of his side’s best players.

Marcus Bontempelli (123 SC) was back to his vintage best to register only his second triple figure score in the past five matches. The Bont had 23 disposals – 15 contested – as well as 7 marks, 6 clearances and 2.3 on the scoreboard.


The Prodigies

Alex Witherden (103 SC) continued the stunning start to his career with another ton against West Coast. He’s on track for rookie of year status if he can keep this sort of output up.

On the bubble: Jack Scrimshaw (64 SC), Alex Keath (47 SC), Conor Glass (43 SC), Harry McKay (36 SC), Will Setterfield (26 SC).

First gamers: Sam Skinner (62 SC), Luke Partington (58 SC), Jacob Allison (53 SC), Max Spencer (47 SC).


The Damned

Heath Shaw (55 SC) has to go. His mediocrity can’t be tolerated any longer. Likewise for Tom Rockliff (60 SC), who has been a shadow of his former self for a number of weeks now.

Josh P Kennedy (50 SC) has another injury cloud hanging over his head and could be straight swapped for a better-performing premo for those who have luxury trades available.

Toby Nankervis (66 SC) is trapped in a very unfriendly SuperCoach role at the moment, playing predominantly as a forward. As long as Ivan Soldo continues to get a game at Richmond, expect the Nank’s scoring to continue to dwindle.


How did you go this week?

 Twitter: @CarlPfeiffer9


Graham Harris · 31/07/2017 at 11:39

Shocking week 2090. Dropped over 400 in ratings.

    InTheNickofTime · 01/08/2017 at 06:52

    I went for 2043 and dropped 2211. Painful after a good mid season.

Tommo09 · 31/07/2017 at 11:48

Trade or hold Mummy?
2 trades and 20k left

    Strummer · 31/07/2017 at 12:13

    Hold if he plays

    Soothsayer · 31/07/2017 at 14:38

    Any news on his ankle? I have Goldstein as well…..killing me….I had 8 villains and 2 damned. I'd add Goldstein and Mummy to that list to make it more than half my team in the toilet this week. Let's hope they all bounce back next week and its out of their system!

INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 11:51

Might take a few months to finish updating the banned for life list

    The Ranger · 31/07/2017 at 12:28

    Gonna be a fair few ex-premos nice and cheap next year at this rate

      INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 13:05

      Ex premos correct. And ex relevant

        The Ranger · 31/07/2017 at 13:15

        I'm fine with walking away from Shaw, Hanners and Ablett but I just know I'm gonna be tempted by Rocky again!!.

          INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 13:53

          Think it's finally time to move on from rocky. He kills your trade bank every year

            The Ranger · 31/07/2017 at 15:08

            Yeah his quality is undeniable but his durability…not so much.
            I'll still be tempted ços there's so few that are capable of a 125+ avg.
            The poor bugger just needs a good run at it!

              RobDog · 31/07/2017 at 18:21

              Will be interesting if he leaves the Lions and goes elsewhere. Then he will be a steal.

          redherringfc · 31/07/2017 at 18:27

          I haven't completely lost all faith in Rocky this year.

          I'm holding him ( mainly due to limited trades and Scooter as backup) and hoping like hell he bash out a big score when i desperately need it.

The Ranger · 31/07/2017 at 12:24

We all have at least one Loophole or Emergency cock up every year don't we?
What you don't want to do is have that cock up happen on the week before finals and it end up costing you a top four spot…
Don't ask me how but I buggered up the E with Ablett being a late out and ended up with bloody Boltons 38 instead of Witherdens 103…dóh!

    The Ranger · 31/07/2017 at 13:13

    Every cloud has a silver lining.
    Just realised that coming 5th does at least give me the chance to knock out Mark Robinson…

      SC_Kev7 · 31/07/2017 at 13:36

      Knocking out Slobbo is a dream of mine, Ranger!

    Kenny Powers · 31/07/2017 at 13:49

    Haha .. I flushed him out of our league's final 8 on the weekend .. good luck Ranger, you wont be a LONE!!!

TheGreatBozza · 31/07/2017 at 12:33

Coming in to finals with 6 trades and a top 4 spot but were carrying some passengers.
At the moment I have Shaw at D6, JPK possibly injured and the combo of Lynch, Nank & Greenwood as F5, 6 & 7.

Who do you think is priority at the moment? No fwd targets other than Ryder are standing out to me, but he's getting up there in price.

My early move is Scharenberg to Junker to bring Witherden to my backline, and JPK > Dusty or M.Crouch

    Soothsayer · 31/07/2017 at 14:29

    A good move if you have no other priorities.

TRIGGA_HAPPY · 31/07/2017 at 12:39

Geez Carl extremely harsh to put Kruez in as a villian

Would be more fitting to put Danger in as a villain for ending Kruez's night early by pinning his arm and crashing his head into the turf.

While we are at it Scott is also a villian for playing danger predominantly forward all game. Cmon Scotty most of our VC's were on the nose (stunk to high heaven) so we had our hopes pinned on danger to deliver again!

But nah can't cop Kruez was a villian. He was on track for another ton before he went to sleep.
Guess that is why he was quiet. Lol.

    INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 13:11

    Kreuzer might get suspended for causing havoc in the Brownlow market

      TRIGGA_HAPPY · 31/07/2017 at 13:14

      I think I saw a dozen bottles of grange delivered to Kruez today.
      Name on the thank you card was Tom Mitchell.

Tommy · 31/07/2017 at 12:44

2 trades, 46k in the bank

Def: Doc, Adams, Laird, Simmo, Rance, Hibberd (Ryan, Junker)

Mid: Danger, Titch, Neale, Jelwood, JPK, Bont, Treloar, Fyfe (Witherden, cousins, JDC)

Ruc: Grundy, Ryder (Buzza)

Fwd: Macrae, Yeo, Dahl, Heeney, Buddy, Greenwood (Lynch, Strndica

Thoughts on what i can do? Would like to swing Witherden as a D7. Ideally, i would also like to bring R.Gray in at M9, but looks as though i will need to use both trades which isnt ideal.

Thoughts please community.

    SC_Kev7 · 31/07/2017 at 13:35

    You can get Gray in one trade but it means sacrificing a defender and shifting Witherden back. Witherden/Ryan at D6

    Is Gray a must? Not really. Kicked the winner so that 112 is inflated a little

Trealornation · 31/07/2017 at 12:52

Suitable 1st bench players??
Witherden def, Lloyd mid, greenwood fwd
Have Ryder in fwd line as swing?
With that 1 have one trade left.

Cogla13 · 31/07/2017 at 13:01

Think you meant Jake Lloyd and not Sam Lloyd. Doubt very much Sam Lloyd would be a popular selection.

    Bad_News_Brown · 31/07/2017 at 20:26


Nic Newman's bro · 31/07/2017 at 13:15

Is there any injury update on JPK?

Derek · 31/07/2017 at 13:46

only 6 villains and 3 damned for me this week, getting better.

    JohndJames · 31/07/2017 at 14:08

    Hi Derek,6 heroes,9 villains,1 redeemer,1 prodigy,1 damned for me,but still ended up with a 2369 score,thanks to the heroes.

Derek · 31/07/2017 at 13:47

Brodie Smith (127 SC), Daniel Rich (124 SC)

the SC Gods are a funny lot!

    TheGreatBozza · 31/07/2017 at 14:20

    My 2015 SuperCoach side would have killed it this round

Derek · 31/07/2017 at 14:04

I'll be crunching the numbers over the summer, but players who changed clubs with no past injury problems seemed to stand out this year.

was there an article on the website pre-season that talked about this?

    Redgumwon · 31/07/2017 at 14:09

    I think players who have changed clubs have stood out the last couple of years

    INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 14:25

    Looking through the list of players that changed clubs it seems most either improved or significantly improved. And many of them were SC relevant. Something to look at next year for sure Derek

    Wattsieesq · 31/07/2017 at 16:43

    If I recall correctly, Lek Dog did an article on it a few years back?

      johnno2908 · 31/07/2017 at 20:21

      Yeah, good rule and something I definitely look at preseason. There is always the exception though…Josh Caddy for instance… who I started this year haha.

      Daniel Z · 31/07/2017 at 23:18

      I recall reading an article on this as well, probably 2-3 years ago.
      Some players improved but it wasn't across the board.

    Curious George · 31/07/2017 at 23:54

    SMitchell, JLewis, ZTouhy, all the same or worse. Hibberd Jones changed a few years ago Who are you referring to?

      Captain Risky · 01/08/2017 at 08:14

      Witts is the standout, not too many others that come to mind though.

        Swans2012 · 01/08/2017 at 08:32

        tom Mitchell and the nank

          Corey · 01/08/2017 at 08:38

          What about Dangerfield, Ablett, D.Beams, Buddy and Ryder all guys who have taken their games to new heights at new clubs

ChewyOnYa · 31/07/2017 at 14:04

Who to start on my bench as emg?
1. Murphy
2. Jelwood
3. Bont
Who do I take off if they score well?
1. Treloar
2. Zerret
3. Neale
4. Fyfe


    toast · 31/07/2017 at 15:12

    jelwood, treloar

    SAUSIG · 31/07/2017 at 17:49

    murphy, treloar

    Bells · 01/08/2017 at 13:41

    Leave Jelwood on. With no JPK he could get a lot of the footy indeed. I'm predicting 8 free kicks at least.

Ruddigar · 31/07/2017 at 14:10

Ta for suggesting a flog factor reference on Clayton Oliver, those of us that have had this young man from his 382 k start hear your bitterness loud and clear. For me flog factor is a red flag that says do not select. Is he really a flog, he Told a Carlton muppet supporter to shut his pie hole, and believe what you like about the Weat Coast staging incident where he must have been trying to kick the first half time goal in history, this bloke has 30 games now and looks ok to me. Hate him and don't pick him at your own loss….

    Rick Grimes · 31/07/2017 at 14:25

    I'll be picking him next year, that's for sure.

      RobDog · 31/07/2017 at 18:27

      Agree Ruddigar, had him and M Crouch from the start and both have delivered.

    JohndJames · 31/07/2017 at 18:31

    Had him from the start,was always going to be my M8 and has done so much better than that.People have had heaps of opportunity to trade him in,kept seeing people asking is he the real deal,will he last,they just had to look at his scores,one of the most consistent players going around.

Simo · 31/07/2017 at 14:11

Looking to upgrade Nanky. Should I go for McEvoy, Gawn, Stef Martin, or swing Ryder to Ruck and trade JJK or Wallis in as fwds?

Redgumwon · 31/07/2017 at 14:19

Big Maxie looks to be back

    Cogla13 · 31/07/2017 at 16:09

    Might need to bring him in if Kruezer fails the concussion test.

Mike · 31/07/2017 at 14:22

Is going Shaw to J.Howe and good trade. Is Howe consistent enough??

    Redgumwon · 31/07/2017 at 14:25

    I think so I brought in Howe last week and have had in my draft league all year. Like all defenders he will spit out the odd average score but in general he has been getting close to or above his average all year

    B T · 31/07/2017 at 16:32

    Yeah shaw has to go, he's in terrible form and doesn't look like getting out of it.

    Howe's a good option, decent POD.

INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 15:27

Brownlow night just got boring

    GloryDays90 · 31/07/2017 at 15:55

    What a joke! suspended for a fair tackle..

    Dids · 31/07/2017 at 16:31

    Disappointing that the best player may not win the medal for being the best player.

      jez_m · 31/07/2017 at 17:05

      Best and fairest*

        Defying_Madness · 31/07/2017 at 17:14

        My thoughts exactly

        criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 19:58

        It was a fair tackle. Why not just outlaw tackling altogether? The game is being sold and packaged to libtards, SJWs and quite frankly, faggots. Ted Whitten would be turning in his grave.

    criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 20:07

    It just drips with irony – a Brownlow ratings bonanza is snuffed out by the sanitizers and SJWs at both the JewFL and Channel 7.

      SteveC · 31/07/2017 at 20:44

      Your comment is a disgrace. This forum is about footy not race.

        Bad_News_Brown · 31/07/2017 at 20:51

        well said Steve, I have no doubt this criticalunity is a beer bellied racist sharecropper that needs a good wake up call – I had to look up the term SJW

          criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 20:53

          You had to look up the term 'SJW.' Not too bright.

        criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 20:53

        If race doesn't exist then how can I be a racist, genius?

    Bad_News_Brown · 31/07/2017 at 20:28

    Not when you have a hundred bucks on Dusty at $6's

yung crippa · 31/07/2017 at 15:30

brought in de goey for nank this week. geez he was poor, was at the contest but couldn't get his hands on it, anyone know why

    B T · 31/07/2017 at 16:30

    He's a young player, I wouldn't expect for him to have great scoring consistency yet.

    Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 23:03

    De Goey is always up and down and hasn't proven otherwise yet.

Shake n bake · 31/07/2017 at 15:39

Danger 1 week sideways trade for me!! What will the community do??

    Cogla13 · 31/07/2017 at 16:07

    I'm holding but suspect he'll appeal and get off with a fine.

      Shake n bake · 31/07/2017 at 16:37

      I don't think he will , will be interesting if he does appeal thou.

      Tyruddanaut · 31/07/2017 at 19:12

      If he attempt it'll be 2 weeks

    neil demons delight · 31/07/2017 at 18:15

    doing it again shake n fake

      Shake n bake · 31/07/2017 at 18:27

      Definitely will Neil!! Have 5 trade left make or break hey!

    Wedge · 31/07/2017 at 19:04

    If you trade danger it can only be considered a downgrade

      Shake n bake · 31/07/2017 at 19:18

      Only for a week!

    redherringfc · 31/07/2017 at 19:39

    Holding. Hope he takes the week as i am top 4 in every league and am happy to treat this week as a bye if i end up playing non Danger teams the following week.

    But, he'll challenge and get off.

Jim_bob321 · 31/07/2017 at 15:45

Anyone trading Danger out or just benching him for witherden?

    jez_m · 31/07/2017 at 17:06

    You'd be mad to trade out Danger if he just misses a week.

    JohndJames · 31/07/2017 at 17:32

    Witherden welcome to the playing arena.

    B T · 31/07/2017 at 18:04

    I'm confident in fielding Witherden + if the suspension stands and Danger comes back and scores 140s like he has been you will be kicking yourself.

    INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 18:12

    If your in an elimination final in a cash league there is every reason to trade him out

    thenewgirl · 31/07/2017 at 18:35

    I think I will be – still 5 trades left.

    If i trade him this week (and my opponent doesn't), I should get the win and can then skip the semi finals next week. Will then trade him back the week after for the prelims!

    Cash league though, not worried about overall rankings!

      Sloppy Jo. · 31/07/2017 at 19:42

      I have 6 trades and that is what I am doing. Many can't because they have so few trade after being stupid with their trades.

        wightyswarriors · 31/07/2017 at 21:29

        Or maybe they have been smashed by injuries and had no choice ??

          JohndJames · 01/08/2017 at 15:50

          Had to use a total of nine trades on injuries this year,have two left,it's amazing that I even got to full premo.

GloryDays90 · 31/07/2017 at 15:54

Dangerfield suspended for a game! What a f#cking joke the AFL has become… soft and weak

    BrownlowBoy · 31/07/2017 at 16:02

    Very weak

    Russty_ · 31/07/2017 at 16:28

    Bloody hell, this is the worst possible week for him to be getting a holiday…grrrr.

      JohndJames · 31/07/2017 at 17:28

      No way Russty,it's great,it will sort the teams out that don't have good cover,and make people think about who to put the VC and C on.

        Vintage Pete · 31/07/2017 at 18:15

        I'm happy because I have seven trades. I'd laugh when I'd read about trigger fingered SCers trading away. It is not rocket science. There are going to be injuries and suspensions so you must save trades for a rainy day. I reached full premium last week well behind most of my league mates so I will trade out Danger this week and trade him in the following week.

          Leeds17 · 31/07/2017 at 19:11

          Overall rank?

            Vintage Pete · 31/07/2017 at 19:44

            9,000's but always going for my three cash leagues.

        BrownlowBoy · 31/07/2017 at 18:38

        Forget about supercoach for the good of the game, the decision is wrong.

    Tyruddanaut · 31/07/2017 at 19:12

    He gave a man concussion and he can't play for more than Dangers suspended. I think it's fair

      hedski · 31/07/2017 at 19:27

      He can play this week if he passes the concussion protocols, was no malice in the tackle, unfortunate accident.

        Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 23:02

        Exactly, intention was fair.

      criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 19:47

      Players get knocked out when players sink their knees into their heads going for hangers. What's the difference? But you can see where this game is heading.

Joshua · 31/07/2017 at 15:57

3 trades left, 95k in bank. Covering Danger with Lloyd (hoping he plays) and putting Scharenberg on field in backline.
Should I trade JPK though? Is it worth it with only 2 trades left after?

    Joshua · 31/07/2017 at 16:03

    Would go to Oliver if I do

BrownlowBoy · 31/07/2017 at 16:04

If Danger is gonna get 1 week, may as well go for 2 by challenging it.

    Cogla13 · 31/07/2017 at 16:06

    Don't panic, he'll get the MRP get out of jail free card. Reduced to a fine I reckon.

    savemebarry1 · 31/07/2017 at 18:00

    Geelong have Sydney and Richmond in the next two games, don't think that's gonna happen. Would rather lose the chance of a potential Brownlow than be without the best player in the comp against a top 4 side.

    neil demons delight · 31/07/2017 at 18:18

    doesn't warrant a week a fine more likely

    Tibor · 01/08/2017 at 09:45

    They painted themselves into a tight corner with the cam McCarthy decision. Guaranteed the AFL want Danger cleared and Brownlow eligible. The mrp have done the job and are at least half consistent with McCarthy call, if Danger appeals and they let him off they are covered now because they can simple shrug it off and say Freo should have appealed also….

    This would, god forbid, be pretty close to the truth and a reasonable decision

Jim_bob321 · 31/07/2017 at 16:05

Hey community.
I have 3 trades left, thinking going Lloyd to Roberton for finals so we both cancel eath other out.

    Hoops · 31/07/2017 at 18:17

    Robo has lost his mojo. Plenty of others better for a similar price. Troll through the players list.

    Cogla13 · 01/08/2017 at 07:54

    That's just a sideways trade. Lloyd could easily outscore Roberton from here, who knows?

Alabamie · 31/07/2017 at 16:27

No way. Lloyd in a better team and Roberton not in the form he showed earlier.

Mormon man · 31/07/2017 at 16:41

With Danger and Kennedy? Syd out, I am moving Adams to the mid to cover for Danger, Ryan to start in defence, and Witherdon to cover for Kennedy.
One trade leaving me with 3. Greenwood ADE looks cooked so Kennedy WCE to replace him.
Probably Zerrett as VC and Fyfe as C. Might use Titch as worried Zerrett won't handle tag again.
If late outs again I'm in strife.

Rick Grimes · 31/07/2017 at 16:59

Be surprised if the ban doesn't get overturned for a fine.

    INPieman · 31/07/2017 at 18:13

    Hope he challenges. It's either 2 weeks & trade him or he gets off

      Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 22:59

      Surely he challenges? Not just talking for SC sake but generally speaking.

    TRIGGA_HAPPY · 31/07/2017 at 18:30

    Yeah not 100% convinced it will get overturned and he will get a fine.

    AFL wanted to cracked down on pinning a players arms and letting the unprotected head hit the ground.
    granted it was the perfect tackle but ask Viney about the perfect tackle. He did the same and got suspended.
    AFL – head is sacrosanct. Be a big call either way.

Doc · 31/07/2017 at 17:08

Need to trade Cameron.

Best forward (or mid) under 450k???
Thinking Billings.

Any other suggestions?

    Russty_ · 31/07/2017 at 17:30

    Who do you already have?

      Doc · 31/07/2017 at 19:44

      Mids: danger, Titch, hanners, Zerret, Bont, Jelwood, Steven, dusty

      Forwards: Mccrae, dahl, wallis, yeo, JJK.

      Have Greenwood and Nank as cover, together with designated donuts/loopholes.

      Can't decide whether to go a mid (to start looping with Hanners or Steven) meaning I loop greenwood and Nank for F6, or take a forward to loop with Nank, and loop greenwood/Steven/Hanners.

    Leeds17 · 31/07/2017 at 19:07

    Billings has North R22. tempting.

Joshua · 31/07/2017 at 18:10

Worth trading JPK to Oliver with 3 trades left?

    Northerner · 31/07/2017 at 21:34

    The thing with him is he's not damaging enough with the footy to be tagged. Like TMitch. Better than the risk you take with Sloane and Zorko and Jelwood.

      cofada · 01/08/2017 at 00:45

      Has been tagged in multiple games this year! Only he can beat them unlike sloane
      I'd go zorko from those options or selwood if strapped for cash

neil demons delight · 31/07/2017 at 18:22

JPK could be an out with danger and cameron

RobDog · 31/07/2017 at 18:37

Hearing that H Greenwood is cooked a lot. Considering he is a rookie, and the whole Crows outfit were down, missing B Crouch out of the middle and up against a great midfield in the Pies, I wouldn't be writing him off. It was a tough game and we can't expect premo scores every week from him. Showdown this week, Crows get players back and Port don't have near the midfield that Collingwood do. I'm holding and expecting a much better game. He is still the best bench cover so a required player for the RobDogs.

    Rodgedodge · 31/07/2017 at 19:50

    Greenwood will be a ripper player next year. But, he isn't played for sufficient time on the ground because he is being managed for his future which is fair enough. Also, unlike you he is my F6 so I need to trade him up.

Tyruddanaut · 31/07/2017 at 19:11

Would all this backlash about the brownlow medal being too harshly done (ineligible if suspended) be there if someone else e.g. Literally anyone who isn't Danger, was favourite?

    criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 19:52

    The dude hasn't been suspended before. He is one of the cleanest and fairest players playing the game. He is a certified superstar. Burgoyne and Mumford escaped sanctions. Now he loses the chance of winning a Brownlow because the game is now heavily scrutinized and sanitized, and the tall poppy syndrome again raises its ugly head. Might as well make it a non-contact sport. Who said communism was dead?

      DARC · 31/07/2017 at 21:16

      I agree, 1 small mishap in a lengthy career doesn't make you unfair.

      I'd expect Geelong to challenge and for him to get off, because come brownlow night if Danger wins, it will be a bad look for the AFL.

      They should just introduce a rule like -3 votes or just simply not get votes for the games they miss, meaning they are disadvantaged but still have time to redeem themselves.

        criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 21:19

        Hear, hear.

        Tyruddanaut · 31/07/2017 at 21:45

        Brownlow: Best & Fairest
        MVP: Best

      Northerner · 31/07/2017 at 21:31

      They need to change the Brownlow rule to make it that you need to be charged with an intentional offence. Then you keep everyone happy

        Curious George · 01/08/2017 at 00:00

        What was unintentional about Dangers action? I doubt that he accidentally pinned both arms and ran 3 steps to make sure he crunched Kreuzers head into the turf.
        Maybe it was accidental because Danger is so dumb that he doesn't know how arms humans have and he thought that kreuz had the ball in his 3rd arm and could protect himself with his 4th

      Tyruddanaut · 31/07/2017 at 21:45

      But you see the brownlow is based off seasons not careers and the MRP aren't biased in the way that flogs get longer time. Danger stuffed up and he has to pay the consequences

        criticalunity · 31/07/2017 at 22:09

        Other players have regularly been cited and cleared for having good records and for having displayed good behavior. Danger is not Toby Greene. Common sense needs to be applied here, as well as consistency, not hard and fast rules that have not applied to Burgoyne and Mumford. This is the MRP which has buckled to media pressure. The same MRP that gave a religious nut (irony being it was 'multicultural round' lol) two weeks for intentionally round-arming an opponent instead of the rightful four (minimum). And this is the same MRP which has made a statement on behalf of the tall poppy brigade that were clearly baying for rarefied blood.

          Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 22:54


          Dean · 31/07/2017 at 23:36

          I understand the AFL are huge on trying to protect the head and fair enough.

          However I hate this whole rule when a PERFECT tackle is made and IF the person getting tackled ends up concussed then they get suspended, yet if the person who is tackled doesn't get concussed then none the wiser.
          How the hell can the player tackling, predetermine how the person he tackles is going to land/fall, its just BS and beyond absurd.
          Players are left in the dark, also if a team is 40 points down with a quarter to go, who's to say the player being tackled isn't pretending to be concussed along with the Club and club Doctors, this just gives the sport so many more reasons and ways to be corrupt.

          Fair enough with sling tackles as they are being thrown down to the ground while simultaneously being twisted so their is a very high risk that their head will hit the turf first or hit the turf very hard.

          However Danger's tackle was a text book tackle, its just unfortunate that Kruezer ended up being concussed.

          Curious George · 01/08/2017 at 00:01

          Players like Bachar?

      Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 22:54

      Agree 100%.

      Curious George · 31/07/2017 at 23:56

      So if Kruezer had held both of Dangers wrists and crunched him into the turf causing concussion and potentially a missed game next week you'd be fine with that?

    Curious George · 01/08/2017 at 00:03

    If the same thing had been done to Gaz by Zac Dawson how many weeks should he get?

    Derek · 01/08/2017 at 10:31

    Can't change the rule, if suspended can't win Brownlow.

    If they changed that rule it is unfair to the past players who didn't win it because of that rule

Tyruddanaut · 31/07/2017 at 19:18

2 trades:
Dahl, (English) to Gawn, (Simpson)
Danger, Parsons to Kelly, Gawn

Any other ideas? I want Parsons, Nank and Dahl out but want Gawn in No matter what

Bad_News_Brown · 31/07/2017 at 19:54

I think I will be able to get my house back now – downside is Hanners is still on the field for me – GROW SOME BALLS YOUR SPINELESS COCKROACH HANNERS OR PICK UP A STUBBIE

Joshua · 31/07/2017 at 19:56

Oliver's or Kelly?

    Bad_News_Brown · 31/07/2017 at 20:27

    Kelly – don't trade in a flog

      BrownlowBoy · 31/07/2017 at 20:37

      Unless that flog can play football…

      Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 22:50

      A flog that I started with for 380k, has played every game and is overall ranked 5 in SC? Haha

      Tibor · 01/08/2017 at 09:36

      Kelly could easily be a flog, he is surrounded by so many other snotty over rated little flogs at gws he flogs under the radar

Noah · 31/07/2017 at 20:00

1 trade left and need to decide who to trade out of greenwood and witherden and who should i relpace them with.
Have 30k left

    Joshua · 31/07/2017 at 20:05

    Neither, keep for injury/suspension imo

      Bad_News_Brown · 31/07/2017 at 20:27


TOPHAWK1 · 31/07/2017 at 20:06

Anyone thinking going Danger to Zorko, the magnificient this week?

This is based on Danger being out this week. If he challenges and wins, don't bother reading the rest of this post. If he challenges and loses, by all means, keep reading.

Zorko should be refreshed physically and mentally after his little holiday at home watching his mates play in Perth last week.

Has very friendly games to finish the season.

It might be the ultimate shark move which separates the boys from the men this finals series.


    Jim_bob321 · 31/07/2017 at 20:22

    Lib might tag zorko

    B T · 31/07/2017 at 21:12

    Zorko is really poor when he's tagged, as Brisbane can be very competitive in some matches, I'd expect the opposition to tag him.

      TOPHAWK1 · 31/07/2017 at 21:46

      Trust me. He will break ANY tag this week…..He is now also in Brownlow medal contention.

        TopHawkGoingNuts · 31/07/2017 at 23:48

        Are you for real TopHawk? "Zorko in Brownlow contention" After being suspended?

        It's Dusty's Charlie this season now thats for sure and certain.

        Cogla13 · 01/08/2017 at 07:41

        He's ineligible for the brownlow and most likely tag target now that Rich showed last week he can handle the tag.

    Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 22:48

    It is worth a thought for sure.

Russty_ · 31/07/2017 at 20:34

Witts could miss this week too…some kind of Foot issue.

    Northerner · 31/07/2017 at 21:28

    That will make Witts to Gawn a certainty for me. And you generate $20k in the process. Who would have believed that at the start of the season?. Witts is my vote for rookie of the year.

      Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 22:47

      I always thought Witts was a great tap ruckman at Collingwood but probably not as athletic as Grundy. Had some injury and form issues too. Hopefully he doesn't miss.

    Whatyasmokin · 31/07/2017 at 22:42

    Crap. Just traded Goldy to Kreuzer last week. Can only cover one with Nank. Might have to burn my last trade Witts to Gawn.

      Hedge Hog · 01/08/2017 at 00:47

      Only one trade left?????

Northerner · 31/07/2017 at 21:43

My Rucks are Kreuz and Witts. Looks like Witts will miss so welcome Maxy. Starting to thank that I traded in Darcy as bench ruck cover when he was on the bubble. Might now need him if Kruezer is out as well.

TBrab · 31/07/2017 at 21:56

5 trades left and $2k in bank

Def: Doc, Hurley, Adams, Laird, J Lloyd, Shaw (Witherden, Ryan)

Mid: Danger, Dusty, M Crouch, Bont, Treloar, JPK, Jelwood, Watson (Mountford, Bolton, Lloyd)

Ruc: Kreuzer, Grundy (Darcy)

Fwd: Ryder, Yeo, Buddy, Dahl, Greenwood, Petracca (Young, D Cameron)

Do I trade Danger out and bring in Oliver/Zorko or maybe Mitch Duncan as POD? He should see more of the ball with Danger out this week.

James · 31/07/2017 at 22:40

Have 5 trades and $87k in the bank. Don't what trades I'm gonna do this week any suggestions? Either thinking of upgrading JPK to Martin or upgrading Shaw.

DEF: Docherty, Hurley, Laird, Simpson, Adams, Shaw (Witherden, Ryan)
MID: Danger, Zorko, Merrett, Fyfe, JPK, Bont, Treloar, Jelwood (Bolton, Cousins, Glass)
RUCK: Grundy, Gawn (English)
FWD: Macrae, Franklin, Heeney, Dahlhaus, Yeo, Greewnood (Strnadica, Young)


Momma Mia · 01/08/2017 at 00:45

Looking for a forward under $460. Currently have Dahl, Macrae, Heeney, Buddy and Paddy..

    Shane · 01/08/2017 at 00:59

    JJK at 435k is a steal

      Leeds17 · 01/08/2017 at 06:08

      6 goals & couldn't crack the ton hmmmm.

      Cameron is out for 3 weeks, Patton is a high risk high reward option.

        Derek · 01/08/2017 at 10:14

        GWS and Crows for the last 2 games.

    Derek · 01/08/2017 at 10:16

    Wallis needs to be considered

    garfield_da_cat · 02/08/2017 at 10:24

    what about dahniher he is in career best form and leading the coleman race

Shaun · 01/08/2017 at 08:07

Is this a good trade?
Mountford to Glass
JPK to Titch
My mids at this stage are Danger, Martin, Bont, Oliver, Fyfe, JPK, Jelwood, Treloar (Mountford, Bolton, Hibberd)

Max Stubbs · 01/08/2017 at 09:09

Hey guys need some help, if anyone has the time. Finished 4th so obviously playing 1st this week, who is undefeated.
Projected me – 2327 him- 2301

Four players I have who might let me down, which of these should I trade??? And for who???

Have 43k in coin,

Rockliff 381.6 (stick with him? Hope he improves?)
H.greenwood 386.5
Nankervis 403.2 (fwd) kruez/Jacobs in ruck
Ainsworth 297.1

My thoughts are rocky + nank to Kennedy (wce) + witherden
Still leaves me with Ainsworth as a start.

    Derek · 01/08/2017 at 10:12

    I would hold Rocky.

    Since he hurt his shoulder he has been averaging 82 at home and 61 away.

    Lions have 3 of last 4 at home. Home games are dogs, suns and Norf, not bad.

    Max Stubbs · 01/08/2017 at 11:05

    InterestIng, rocky may be worth the hold then… what about nankervis ? Trade out now or back him in? I'd like to hold greenwood if I can… maybe nank+ Ainsworth + 43k = 700k ?

      Derek · 01/08/2017 at 11:46

      If Nank is lone ruck he scores ok. As a forward he is hopeless. Hope JackR is back this week and Nank gets ruck time.

      I wouldn't be surprised if he is main ruck against hawks. Big Boy is playing really well around the ground, running hard, Nank would be a good match up

Paul · 01/08/2017 at 09:15

9 villains and 2 damned – what a week.

Not sure who is the greater priority to trade out of Nank and Rockliff

Richard · 01/08/2017 at 10:19

The Danger decision was purely decided by what the media were banging on about brownlow favourites being favoured on the field especially Wayne Carey.

INPieman · 01/08/2017 at 10:49

Danger takes the week. What a decision everyone has to make now. I think it's fairly simple. If you've got the double chance then hold. Elimination final & you have trades he goes

    Gumnuts · 01/08/2017 at 11:22


    JohndJames · 01/08/2017 at 15:42

    I have 4 double chances and 3 elimination finals I will be holding,Witherden will take Dangers place in the arena.

Big G · 01/08/2017 at 10:49

Any update on JPK?

Plover · 01/08/2017 at 10:53

I have read a bit about Greenwood who has been ok and that is why I have kept him as my F6 but I watched his game at the weekend and like his mates he was ordinary. Will he come good or might Pyke rest him anyway which we will find out Thursday. If so do I get Daniher or Kennedy – probably the latter! If you can be bothered let me know what you think.

    INPieman · 01/08/2017 at 11:23

    There's a new podcast called "the drill" & it's done by champion data. Last week they covered off how important Hugh Greenwood is for the Crows. In the games he's player before last week they've won the clearance count in each game. In the game he was rested they lost the clearance count by 21. He's probably one of the first names on the team sheet

    Jackson · 01/08/2017 at 11:29

    Big crows fan here, greenwood is a keep. Of course depends on your trade/cash status, but greenwood is great in front of goal and superb in tight won't be rested as already had a spell few weeks ago. Showdown this weekend I expect a tough congested match, expect greenwood to have a high number of tackles and contested possessions. He won't guarantee and can't be relied upon to score 100+ but will score enough to be serviceable, I think he'll get 75-90 this week…

      Plover · 01/08/2017 at 12:46

      Thanks Pieman and Jacko. I am keeping him now and I bet a few others do with that excellent bit of data.
      I think Kennedy is out for more than a week. Is Ward worthwhile?

Gumnuts · 01/08/2017 at 11:01

Hamstrings worry me. I remember my old coach when I tried to play with a hammie saying "You can't be half pregnant" so I may trade Kennedy because despite having a strain and expert medicos/ physios at the Swans this 'strain' maybe a 2-3 weaker? Pendles was a week????? Only got $555 so perhaps Ward @ $552 who has played ok for the last 5 games. Any comments?

Doc · 01/08/2017 at 12:00

Best forward under 455k?

Already have Dahl, Yeo, Wallis, McRae, JJK

    GloryDays90 · 01/08/2017 at 12:05

    Daniher or Brown if you want big goal scorers.
    Douglas or Degoey if you want Fwds who play MID
    Papley is also another option

CaptKaOs · 01/08/2017 at 12:31

Who are the emerging midfield premos for next year? There is a changing of the guard happening in front of our eyes. Players who formerly commanded big dollars because of consistent high output are no longer worth a 580k – 620k spend at the start of the season.
Worse still, when they have a bad score, it can be a shocker. E.g. Sloane.
Here are a few players I still like. But I won't pay 550k+ for them at the start of next season.
Sloane- Genuine premos don't dish out the sub 100 scores he has since April. 36 this week FFS. The potential 170 scores still make him worth having. But not worth paying 550k+
Swans mids- None are in the top 30 players this year. And if you can pick one as his form lifts, good luck. I've tried it in the past and always traded in the wrong one. Their prices have all settled around 500k for a reason. Inconsistency.
Pendles- Many will call this blasphemy. But is he really worth 550k+ ? Each year he seems to give us an opportunity to buy him cheaper. As good as he is, his best footy is behind him.
Rocky- His current price is 381k. Yes, you read that correctly, 381k. It didn't get there by him lighting up the stats sheets. So does that make him a bargain? If you brought him in sometime in the last few weeks, I don't blame you. But he has burned owners all through the second half of the season. Genuine premos don't do that. Maybe he will turn it around next year when his playing future at the Lions has been resolved.
Fyfe- The only one of this bunch I will be happy to pay good dollars for next year. Don't forget how bad his injury was last year. No surprise it would take a while to get over fully. And then all the speculation about his playing future. Looks like the weight has been lifted off his shoulders with the signing of the new contract.
Well…thats enough rambling. The bigger question is who are the young guns who are worth premium dollars next year….

    Niko · 01/08/2017 at 14:06


    JohndJames · 01/08/2017 at 15:32

    My starting Midfield next year will be out of these eight players Danger,Dusty,Mitch,Oliver,Bont,M.Crouch,Fyfe,Beams.I will then pick five of them depending on price and form,with the intention of them being keepers,if there is such a thing.PS seven of these eight are in my midfield at the moment,M.Crouch/Hanners are the difference.

      neil demons delight · 01/08/2017 at 16:56

      selwood not there

        BrownlowBoy · 01/08/2017 at 18:19

        Joel barely gets injured. He is a workhorse.

        JohndJames · 01/08/2017 at 18:34

        Out of the eight that I have named Selwood only has a higher average than Beams.

    Derek · 01/08/2017 at 15:57

    Heeney, Mills and Papley is the swans midfield for the next 5 years

    neil demons delight · 01/08/2017 at 16:54

    Oliver has to be considered though expensive

    BrownlowBoy · 01/08/2017 at 18:20

    Josh Kelly and Tom Mitchell are both in my team along with Danger, Oliver, Selwood and Fyfe

Gumnuts · 01/08/2017 at 12:42

Fantastic report. Thank you for your effort.

neil demons delight · 01/08/2017 at 18:43

Got stuck with JPK and Treloar this year because I filled the mids too quick meaning keep them or sidewards trade both .Not next year only 4 uber prems probably Danger Tich Oliver and Selwood The rest pick them up on the cheap

    Whatyasmokin · 01/08/2017 at 20:48

    I'd add Fyfe and Zerrett as another couple of trustworthy mids next year. As long as Fyfe stays injury free of course.

SC16 · 02/08/2017 at 10:53

Brett Deledio… Thoughts?

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