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SuperCoach RD13: The Heroes, The Villains, The Damned.

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Come on down… the Bryce is right.

The Carlton midfielder with the majestic man bun was everywhere for the Blues on Saturday night, churning out a performance for the ages.

Gibbs amassed a stunning 208 SuperCoach points, the second man to do so this season after the great Gary Ablett.

The massive haul propelled his average up to 111 so far this season and well-and-truly into SuperCoach relevance.

In addition to Bryce’s splendid doubt ton, coaches had another reason to celebrate this week…the bloody byes are over!

In what has been somewhat of a horror period for some, it will be a feeling of pure relief that we are able to slot our best 22 back on the field and not bank mediocre rookie scores.

The Heroes

Thousands will be entertaining the thought of trading Gibbs (208 SC) in this week after his colossal game. He collected 43 disposals, 8 marks, 10 tackles, 7 clearances, 2 goals and 4 free kicks in a magnificent display. He was everywhere for the Blues, helping them get over the line against Gold Coast. Looking at his numbers this year, he has been particularly consistent, producing 90 or higher in 11 of his 12 games in 2017 with only the one underpant stain (a 58 in round 2). Well worth a look.

Carlton team-mates Sam Docherty (153 SC), Matt Kruezer (144 SC) and Kade Simpson (142 SC) were almost as imperious. Docherty (who had 30 touches at an elite 96% efficiency) and Kruezer have taken their games to another level this season, while those old bones of Simmo are just starting to warm up nicely and he looks primed  for a big second half of the season.

Patrick Dangerfield (141 SC) was the one shining light in a horror outing for the Cats on Thursday night. He compiled 34 disposals, including a mammoth 22 contested possessions, 8 clearances and a goal. Shadowed by Elliott Yeo (117 SC), Danger probably had the better of the battle.  

Brisbane’s Dayne Zorko (143 SC) continued his fine recent form during the Lions’ loss the Power. Zorko’s past five games have been phenomenal, posting 119, 123, 130, 129 and 143 to boost his overall average up to 114.  The two Ryans – Lester (127 SC) and Bastinac (122 SC) also performed well for Brisbane.

West Coast enjoyed some good numbers in the round opener, with Dom Sheed (127 SC) lively up forward, Nathan Vardy (125 SC) enjoying a good match against his former side and midfield pair Sam Mitchell (122 SC) and Andrew Gaff (120 SC) finding plenty of the pill.

The Villains

Thousands of coaches have traded in Tom Lynch (37 SC) at bargain basement price in the past few weeks, but reborn again defender Liam Jones took him to the cleaners on Saturday night. Lynch was kept to just 1 mark and 0.1 as he battled to combat the unconventional defensive style of Jones.

The Selwood brothers both had games they would rather forget on Thursday night. Scott (44 SC) was tagging Luke Shuey before experiencing hamstring soreness in the third quarter, meaning he took no further part in the game. It was a huge blow to those who traded him in. Joel (73 SC) was tagged by Mark Hutchins and not only was he down on his usual output but he was also reported. Joel’s elbow happened to come into contact with Sam Mitchell’s neck, but it remains to be seen if he misses games for the incident.

The usually prolific Brisbane trio of Stef Martin (72 SC), Dayne Beams (66 SC) and Tom Rockliff (59 SC) were all very ordinary in their side’s loss to Port Adelaide. Martin copped a knock early which impacted his output while Rocky was sketchy after coming off an injury break and Beams just couldn’t work his way into the match.

Just when we thought Dan Hannebery (66 SC) was fully resurrected, he goes and pulls out a performance like this. He had 25 possessions, but 5 clangers meant he went at only 48% efficiency. Team-mate Lance Franklin (48 SC) also had a poor game, only kicking one goal and racking up a monster 8 clangers.

Jason Johannisen (58 SC) has really struggled to handle the extra attention he has received in the past two weeks, with his form slump coinciding with the rut the Dogs find themselves in. Fellow defenders Zach Tuohy (78 SC) and Michael Hibberd (82 SC) did not hit their averages, with a whopping 8 clangers severely hindering Hibbo’s output.

Popular Dogs forward pair Luke Dahlhaus (82 CC) and Jack McRae (74 SC) were also below their best.   

The Redeemers

Bacher Houli (129 SC) is doing what he has done for many years now and tempting us to pick him as defensive premo. He’s on many coaches never-again lists, but could he be the real deal this time? His last three games have been highly impressive, belting out returns of 127, 139 and 129. These scores have come during the holy month of Ramadan, where Houli has to fast during the day. However Ramadan finishes up next Saturday, so it will be worth monitoring to see if this affects his output in the future.

Owners of Port’s Robbie Grey (129 SC) certainly have endured a roller-coaster ride so far this season. He’s had three 125+ scores and also three returns under 50. He bounced back from tallies of 44 and 85 in his past two games with a fine outing against the Lions. Grey had 21 disposals, 7 marks, 6 tackles and 2.4 on the scoreboard.

The Prodigies

Nic Newman (104 SC) continues to stake his claim as a defensive keeper, collecting 26 disposals and 8 tackles.  Those who are still holding Sam Powell-Pepper (85 SC) would not have been disappointed, while Mitch Hannan (90 SC) has proved to his owners he could be a valuable asset on the bench.

Other rookies who were so-so included Sam Petrevski-Seton (64 SC), Shai Bolton (63 SC), Jake Barrett (54 SC), James Parsons (51 SC), Zac Fisher (47 SC), Jarrod Berry (44 SC), Ben Ainsworth (39 SC), Hugh McCluggage (33 SC) and Tom Williamson (29 SC). 

The Damned

Could it be time to trade out Richmond’s Toby Nankervis (72 SC)? Nank the Tank has been on a downward trajectory in his past 6 games, posting on one ton in that time and averaging just 81.6. He had only 9 possessions on Saturday against his old side at a concerning 33% efficiency. After a stunning start to the season, his overall average in 2017 has now dropped to 95.7.

Caleb Marchbank (55 SC) has been a tremendous servant to our backlines, but the time has come to trade the young gun out if you have still held him. With the likes of Jake Lloyd ripe for the picking and Taylor Adams due to drop in coin in the coming weeks, now is the ideal time to upgrade Marchbank.

How did you go this week?

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Jeffry

Mark Robinson is a flog

INPieman

The original Flog Prince

Moustachio

What'd I miss?

Tyruddanaut

I don't know off recent events but he's just a bad person

Gold Rush

Super flog, can't stand him.

Pitch 72

Hello Gerard…

Crimewave

looking at Merrett or Neale as an upgrade for Barrett,
What are we thinking?

Winter

I'm doing the exact same and going with Neale

Patch

Looking at both as well, Crimewave. Essendon's draw is helping cement my pre-existing bias towards The Zach

Stirlsy

Iwent Merrett both good picks tho.

Mandingo

Pick 1. T.Mitchell, Neale, Merret or Martin?

stêvę

mitchell, martin, merret and neale in that order id say

Whatyasmokin

Merrett, Titch, Martin, Neale.

Whatyasmokin

Sorry was meant to reply to mandigo 😉

redherringfc

I'd go Neale. Didn't slow down last year. Nice POD.

Wattsieesq

Titch

Danners

Titch if money is no concern, runs the Hawthorn midfield brigade

Alex

Neale or merrett for final mid spot can't decide

Winter

Same problem for me, I went Neale

Wattsieesq

I'm in the same boat as you. I've gone for Zerrett. Dons have a reasonable run home.

Whatyasmokin

Zach.

INPieman

8 Villains & a Dammed. I believe that's a new PB

Connor

Should i pick up seb ross, dyson heppell or zach merret?

Whatyasmokin

Merrett without a second thought, Ross is interesting though as big POD.

Lazza

Lock Ross and Merrett in for next year .. Merrett for 2017.

stêvę

can have any of kelly, jelwood, pendles, rockliff, merrett, gibbs or zorko. Who do we reckon?

stêvę

just saw jelwood reported, probably not him then

ProTravo

Merrett or Pendles safest options. Kelly hurt himself at training but if he gets up this week might be the best POD.

Wattsieesq

Pendles for me

Whatyasmokin

Merrett almost before Pendles for me, sounds crazy but that kid is a freaky ball magnet.

I'd get one of those two though as suggested by others.

Stirlsy

Merrett…. Dons have an easy run home.

Tan

It amuses me so much that Ramadan has become a legitimate concern for supercoach this year ahahha

LoganJosh7

bringing in ryan and neale this week – need to trade 2 out of barrett/berry/P-Pepper/myers and fisher…

leaning towards barrett and fisher. any help would be great

Patch

If you can get rid of Myers I would do so!

Skinny McThin

Should I bring in Goldy and put Nank on the fwd bench or should I trade Nank for Kruezer?
Pruess ended up having a good game against the Nth Blues after they lost both rucks but before that Phillips was taking him to the cleaners so, I doubt he will get a game. Kruezer is finally realising his potential and I can't see any other rucks matching his output.
What's the opinion here?

Skinny McThin

I was considering Max but his injury history is equally as putrid as Kruezers, in 7 years he's only managed more than 13 games once!

INPieman

If I was spending 600 on a ruck this week I'd go balls out & pick Gawn. His interstate scores last year were ridiculous & playing West Coast who don't offer much in the ruck ATM. But I won't be doing that as I don't have 600k to spend on a ruck. Other issues to deal with

Stirlsy

Do you think he will play pure ruck Pieman? I think he will spend chunks up fwd in his first game back.

INPieman

Will be interesting to see if they keep Pedersen. He's been good. Maybe Pedersen for the chop out

DeeSupreme

Great call stirlsy. We beat the pitiful pies and deadbeat dogs without a ruck so Max might be Jesse' replacement for a few weeks. Then if we need a ruck in September he'll be prime to become the first ruck Norm Smith medalist

Prophet Trevor

Hahaha Max is an ordinary ruck who had 1 non injury year out of 7 that's not really worthy of superstar status. Anyone who brings him in at the expense of grundy sandi or witts will be bitterly disappointed

INPieman

Getting a bit ahead of yourself deesupreme. Is that some sort of pizza you get in the ski fields?

Skinny McThin

I'm planning to trade witts to Max in a couple of weeks. The ruck role is more athletic this year because of Kruezers success and I want to make sure Max isn't breakdown again. Plus he'll be 70k cheaper

Winter

Who to get for last mid spot?

Current mids are Danger, Pendles, Jelwood, Hanners, JPK, Treloar, Fyfe

Looking at mainly Neale or Merrett

Lazza

TMitchell

Josh Hunt

Bont or maybe rockliff when his price comes down due to his very high breakeven

Wattsieesq

Dusty

savemebarry1

Neale, Merrett, Zorko or Titch

DEE

Would you trade in Ryan this week?
Stewart for cash generation though be a nice D7 or Hibberd as doesn't look like getting a game.,
Or Fyfe to Zerrett as had his bye?
Or maybe Myers to Ryan opening up DPP Mid/Def?

Team:
Doc, Adams, Lloyd, Newman, Jones, Rance, (Stewart, Hibberd)
Pendles, Kelly, JPK, Zorko, Neale, Bont, Sloane, Fyfe. (Myers, Bolton, Cousins)
Sandi, Witts (Cameron)
Dahl, Maccrae, Wallis, Nankervis, Lynch, Franklin (Greenwood, Parsons)

$60k – 10 trades left.
Any other moves
I will bring in Gawn when he drops in price for Witts or Sandi.,

Is Ryan a must have?

Whatyasmokin

Pretty much, and you won't miss much by ditching Stewart now.

Otherwise you may not be able to get Gawn…………

NM94

Love your team big fella, Whats your overall ranking??

DEE

Thanks i started a few pods in the midfield.
It's little lady actually.
Ranked around 5000 was higher but dropped lots due to Rd 11 bye

Dannn

Jones just got given a 1 match ban didn't he? might be worth holding Stewart as cover.

hedski

Fyfe to Danger seems like a decent trade Dee.

DEE

Gr8 idea thanks.

Skinny McThin

Myers to Ryan and get another fwd your f5,f6 both pump out regular sub 50's

Dean

First and foremost you need Danger, so trade out Stewart for Ryan then get rid of Fyfe and bring in Dangerfield over Zerrett. That will still leave you with $60k

Also if Sandiballs doesn't get called back in trade him for Goldy, Kreuzer or Gawn

Apart from not having Danger your side is extremely solid.

DEE

Thanks Dean started Kelly as a stepping stone to Danger when he dropped in price.
All my mids did so well couldn't bring in Danger.
But I like that trade.
Ryan can cover Jones this week and Fyfe to danger.
Hopefully only need 1 trade and the $60k to go Witts or Sandi to gawn in a couple of weeks.
Thanks.
Will make those trades.

Steve

Which fwd should i get in this week? Already have Yeo, Dahl, Macrae, Heaney, Nank

Whatyasmokin

The forward line is really tough, I feel Nank could even slip out of contention, but of course HOLD him for now.

I have the exact same forward line but I bought T/Lynch and he got me a ton followed by a turd.

The best option if he can not get reported is Toby Greene I reckon.

ProTravo

Greene. I have stayed away from key tall forwards all year and it has worked out well. Wallis is another good option.

savemebarry1

Greene I would say is top priority. Others are Buddy (although he got reported against Richmond so watch how that plays out, most likely should be fine), Wallis or Billings if you like a punt (Just 1 score under 90 in his last 7 games, top score of 136 in that period)

Dean

Bring in Wallis or Greene

iLoveNMFC

Thoughts community?
Myers to Brown/Beech (already have Ryan)
Stewart to Lloyd
Just the standard trades most will be doing this week.

Shake n bake

Selwood to miss a week or two.

ProTravo

Joel 1 week, Scott at least 2.

Rooster XXX

Joel Selwood no chance of being suspended for that "accidental" incident… Low impact, not intentional there is no way the MRP can come up with a suspension…..
Sam Mitchell totally not effected from the contact – so much so he was able to run him down and square up immediately…
Nothing to see here.. Joel will be good to go, Scooter you would think be missing 2 as a minimum if it is a stock standard twanger….

Whatyasmokin

Low impact?

Rooster XXX

It will definitely be grade as low impact – how else can it be graded? Mitchell suffered no side effects, played out the game, will lay this week, was able to retaliate immediately – so yes definitely low impact in the MRP eyes….

Absolutely no doubt about it being graded as low impact

Cr0magn0n

I agree, can't see him getting suspended for that

Randomcliche2

A fine. Well played. I thought he was an education funding package!

Stirlsy

will get off nothing in it.

Shake n bake

Sorry that was when l heard the news about scooters hammy.

Jim

T.Stewart to Ryan
Marchbank to Roberton

Levi

Who to trade first between Berry & Stewart to Ryan?

Wattsieesq

I'd trade Berry. That 44 will stick around for a few weeks in his BE calc. Stewart has had a better 2 weeks

INPieman

Ahhh Wombats. Speaking of absolute flogs. Did you enter a team this year? Or did you panic & delete your team like you always do & become keyboard warrior. You sir are the GREATEST flog prince of them ALL. Disappear back down your hole

Rick Grimes

Wombats his a bigger turd than Lynch's weekend score. This is a community where people come to give each advice and share stories, not to be a flog.

INPieman

Agree Rick. As suspected he didn't enter a team again. I've floated with Jock to make it a member only site to be able to comment. Hope he implements it. Stop the keyboard warrior flogs

Stirlsy

Ahhh Pieman….. always good for a laugh….

Top Gun

More fakes on here than Pamela Anderson' breasts

Randomcliche2

There is an intense debate profile for the good wombatsFC and none for this clown.

Whatyasmokin

For everyone saying Lynch is now a useless spud let's look at why we picked him.

Yeo – Lock
Wallis – Risk
Heeney – Lock
Macrae – Lock
Pedersen – JS shaky
Dahlhaus – Lock
Greene – Misses games
JJK – Injured
Reiwoldt – Tooth length
Nank – Running out of steam
McKernan – Burnman, played only 2.
Ryder – Under performing
J.Cameron – Considering the team he is in….under performing.
Menegola – Missed games, unproven.
Franklin – under performing. price.
Higgins – Unreliable, possibly miss games.
Wingard and R.Gray. Unreliable.
Billings – Unproven, small forward.
Westhoff – Ok option.
Jack Steele – Tank, performance issues, something going on.
Tom Lynch (Adel) – Ok option

Then we come to Tom Lynch of the GCS. I still stand by my pick considering the rubbish that is our forward line options this year.

I will be trading out the Nank if he can't increase his output.

INPieman

Completely agree WYS. He was literally the best of a bad bunch. I only got him in because of Steele. Didn't want to but it was the only half decent option available. And didn't have the funds to get Heeney. Hopefully he can string together some decent games

Whatyasmokin

Yeah I used the season rankings list on footy wire as a reference here, note also Lynch was a fair way up that list last week so anyone who traded him in I wouldn't beat yourself up.

I dare say Lynch wouldn't be very happy with his performance (nor would the GCS in general) last week and should come back strong. Don't mind GCS rounds 19-23 either.

Richmond at Metricon.
Freo in Perth.
Brisbane at Gabba.
Essendon at Metricon.
Port at AO.

Could be very handy in finals should bag a few reasonable, if not big scores.

INPieman

His run home was my reasoning with the exception of port. My concern about getting him last week was Liam Jones. And so it proved. Hope he bounces back

Dildor

I tossed him up as an option but had enough for Heeney. Heeney and Wallis worked alright for me this week, lets see the long play though.

Dildor

Weird that you included R.Gray considering he's a mid only? If he was DPP he'd be an absolute lock?!?!

Whatyasmokin

Hmm footy wire has him listed as a supercoach forward………..lol

INPieman

Gray will be a forward next year & possibly Mid/Fwd

Dildor

Already have him locked

Whatyasmokin

Agreed. Should be priced ok too.

Skinny McThin

None of those lesser options had 2 sub 50's before last week but TJ Lynch did and he now has 3 sub 50's and 3 tons for the season. Sometimes a players basement is equally as important as there ceiling

finnigin

ryder lol twittsland

wightyswarriors

Gotta have 6….mine are yeo, dahl, buddy, greene, heeney, and ryder. ryder not performing…..lmao…his 119 was very handy this week

Jimmy

Anyone know how long Scooter is out for?

Winter

1-2 weeks with a small hamstring tear

Whatyasmokin

I Hear possibly back for a few tons in 2018.

Lack of details on return time is worrying.

Jim

Questions to why I started Shaw over Docherty and I guess I'm not alone?

Dildor

I started with neither, my housemate started with both and has let me have the docherty abuse all year.

Whatyasmokin

So then remind him that heath Shaw has dropped 130K and been average?

INPieman

Lucky Derek doesn't live at your place Dildor. Would have stabbed your housemate by now

Dildor

I've considered it.

INPieman

Non Doch owners at the start of the season were expecting a price drop at some point. Not go to a level we haven't seen from a defender. He is a gun. Williams & Wilson have really impacted Shaw's output

DavidSA

He is a good player but gun?
The guy gets to do what ever he wants, never tagged never bumped absolute joke imo.
Carlton were a decent side or simply put it.. more damaging a side he would fall from the top def podium

Great player yes. Great scores yes (record breaking) for defender but gee wiz he is as free as it gets

INPieman

I guess it's hard to tag a defender. Seems coaches prefer to sit someone on Cripps or Murphy & Doch runs riot. It's been happening for a year & a half

Boltons Blues

Gun, 30 touches at 96%, I don't care where you play, that is elite stats for anyone who can kick the ball and hit the target 96 out of 100 times, he doesn't kick it backwards or short chips, he drills it 40 and hits targets lace out, watch the game

DeeSupreme

He regularly/randomly starts at the centre bounce and then plays a classic defensive wingmans role. It's not his fault all the other wingers can't defend. He'd walk into any team in the comp

TigerNut

If u watched any football you'd notice he's been playing in the Centre and in the backline

Top Gun

He is an absolute gun. His contested mark is one of the best in the game.

Pete

Well he does have an opponent just like every other defender across 18 teams in the afl. So why aren't there more defenders getting his scores ?

ProTravo

This is very true Pieman, unfortunately you have to continue to hold Shaw because the week you trade him he's sure to go big!

Moustachio

He did drop, by 20k =) I ended up getting him for same as basically start price, so no harm done as I spent the cash effectively elsewhere.

The Ranger

I planed to get him in when his price dropped a bit or at the latest around the byes but his scores the last two weeks have ruined my chances again.
Stewart and Berry plus my 60K bank still don't bloody do it!!

Moustachio

Shaw was proven SC royalty over multiple seasons, Doc had done it once. Just because it didn't work out doesn't mean it was a bad decision. Until a few weeks ago Docs average was not worth more than his start price, and that was ample time to trade him in.

Starting most expensive player on all lines would have produced 3 of 4 fails this year: Doc yes, Danger no, Gawn no, NRoo no. All the campaigners are out laughing at people without Doc, but most of them are ranked nowhere because they have a philosophy of "pay for the best" and have now run out of money and/or trades before full premo.

Top Gun

Williams has taken over most of the run that Heater was doing.

Tony

I did the same. My reason was that in the JLT series, Shaw was looking like he'd just roll on with his SC friendly game (long effective kicks, play on to self from behinds, intercept marks) and Docherty had only done it for one season so not confident of him doing it again. In summary, I got this completely wrong.

I reckon I'd be top 500 now but for this error (I'm about 6,000).

Neverweaken

I hate paying big money for defenders. But even I had to get him. Luckily got him right after the bye so didn't cost anymore than his start price. It a nice feeling having him there

garfield_da_cat

I am thinking of doing 2 trades this week marchbank to lloyd and barrett to zorko or neale? Can't decide which one to go with. If i went with zorko i'd be left with 10 trades left about 50k in my bank and if i went for neale i'd have about 96k left. Any thoughts would be helpful cheers

Whatyasmokin

I'd lock Neale in, good value and with Sandi returning should help him. Zorko is peaking in price and unlikely to keep that run of scoring up.

Dean

Zorko will continue to average 117+ for the rest of the season.

However Neale also a great selection.

You won't be sorry with either player mate.

Pete

14 on field , 1580 pts , not too bad

Whatyasmokin

Not bad at all.

Hawkas2017

Probably with 4 emergencys lol

pete

preying to the SC gods for sum Sandi action this week

Gogz

You're not the only one who needs some good Sandi action!!

Hawkas2017

Im going to build a Sandi – pit before calling the Doc to make Shaw im alright. Before filling in the sandi pit with Rock's(y) and Beams to prepare it for my Dogs Mac and Rae to sleep for the (r)Knight.

Daniel Z

Was going to hold tight and do double upgrade this week (Neale and Lloyd).
Last minute, decided to upgrade rucks this round (Kreuzer) and paint the fence this week – worked out okay so far but I'm torn between Lloyd and Neale as I want to have the D/F connection (Adams).

Cjay

Don't get attached to your Rookies they say.
Newman you are making it very very hard.
Trade to Lloyd I will do but will be through gritted teeth.

INPieman

I watched the Tigers Swans game & Rance was insane good. Next best man on the ground for mine was Newman. If he didn't play the Tigers would have won. I can't trade him after watching that performance

Rooster XXX

Could argue that is bordering on sideways trade given Newmans current output….. Not sure there is any hurry to punt Newman so long as Horse keeps selecting him there is no doubt that his role is very conducive to good SC scoring…..

Why not keep the trade and look to upgrade elsewhere? If no more upgrades to do just bank the trade for later in the season when inevitable injuries or (general soreness) resting hits….

I'm just not sure that trading Newman to LLoyds is really doing much for you in terms of points generation??

Other option is you could bring Lloyd in as a mid so you still get his bargain basement price and then if Newman goes pear shaped (form tapers off/is dropped) you can swing Lloyd into to Def and pick up a uber premo mid down the track……

Hawkas2017

BEAUTIFULLY SAID ROOSTER

ProTravo

Similar issue here Cjay.
Was planning to go Newman to Lloyd this week but now gone Scooter to Lloyd.
Now i have to decide who to upgrade to a midfielder out of Heath Shaw and Newman next week.

At least this way I get to see how Lloyd, Newman and Heater perform this week before making a decision.

Cjay

Thanks guys.
Some very valid points above for not punting him.
Will give it a serious re think.

Rick Grimes

Yep he's a keeper I reckon.

JEL

Newman for Lloyd sounds like a waste.
They both have the same average and are pumping out similar scores

bUCKET__

Anyone else eyeing off Jarrad Waite as a sneaky F7 loophole option for later in the season?

pete

injury prone

Keenbutclueless

He would be a handy loophole because he can go big. But to make that work, it is better if he plays early in the round. Looking at North's draw, they play late a lot. So probably can't use him effectively as a loop.

bUCKET__

Lots of early Sat games for North… only wouldn't work in rd 21 as far as I can see. Hence the possibility!

Agree with others there's probably better out there, just exploring the possibilities

jez_m

If you're going to have an F7 loophole it's better off being a Mid/Fwd player who can cover both lines.

bUCKET__

At this rate going to have Lloyd/Newman/Fyfe sitting on the pine with the emg around def and mid, depending on the draw. A pure fwd F7 can work with a ruck swing I've got. Agree that I'd prefer a mid/fwd but there's not much value there atm.

Another option I'm keeping a close eye on is Lycett upon return, if he plays to his potential it'd make Nank the ideal F7.

Top Gun

Spud. Did bugger all against the saints.

Hothi_FC

looking for a downgrade option in the fwd line to ugrade spp to zachy merrett

pete

moore

SC_Kev7

Brown if you want to go early on him

Craig

Thoughts on Zachary Merrett community ? Look at my final midfield spot

bruce

i get around the kid. kicks the ball a heap and is also accurate and damaging with it. having not watched a heap of him in previous times i didnt consider him in my team, but after watching essendon play they love giving it to him and he is a ball magnet.

Rick Grimes

It's the way I'm going.

Tyruddanaut

Three words. Young Ball Magnet

TigerNut

Why the hesitation? Or Zorko if u don't have him

Danners

Good option, otherwise Cripps/Neale/JPK aren't bad options either

gary

thoughts on my team, officially full premium this week. slipped by 700 ranks this week down to 2300.
trades going to be an issue from now on as injuries have plagued my team this season.. ie gawn, beams, jaeger, riewoldt etc..

DEF: docherty, laird, adams, lloyd, tuohy, hibberd (ryan, scharenburg)
MID: danger, dusty, titch, zerrett, JPK, hanners, treloar, rocky (bolton, cousins, hibberd)
RUCK: martin, ryder (strnaidica)
FWD: macrae, dahl, franklin, nankervis, higgins, greene (greenwood, pickett)

pending no injuries i'm going to look to not trade for a couple of rounds and pending big gawns form trade him in for nankervis swapping ryder into the fwd line. thoughts?
my only other stain is burnman higgins, entices me every supercoach season and i get sucked in every time, finally thought he might be something this year with all of the retirements from NM and him being able to get more midfield time.

ProTravo

I'd say Higgins will have to go. You will need one of Yeo or Heeney as a forward to move up the ranks as they are almost 'must haves'.

pete

big risk now with gawn , big guys n hammys are a bad combination

SC_Kev7

Well done on finishing your team, Gary! Honestly if trades are going to be issue now hold off making sideways moves. You'll be kicking yourself if you face a donut that you could have avoided

INPieman

Rocky 59% TOG. That's worse than Steele. Literally dissappeared in the second half

Rick Grimes

Zorko the Magnificent is the one you want. Information we all could have used 13 weeks ago…

INPieman

Agree Rick. His last 5 have been truly magnificent

Moustachio

Had gastro apparently. Not too worried.

INPieman

Poor bugger was wearing white shorts

Randomcliche2

Thanks Moustachio…..I was totally thinking it was his shoulder after seeing them ripping the tape of after game prior in the post match telecast! Glad to be wrong.

ProTravo

I heard this too. Hope that shoulder is holding up!
Last time he had a shocker he backed it up with a couple of big games… Here's hoping.

Skinny McThin

Mate I think you're a bit of a troll for anybody who has wombats in their name. In this instance the name is different and there isn't any image, What's your problem?
How do we know that your trolling doesn't extend to creating obviously fake posts like this and attributing them to others so as you can cut them down?
From memory the real wombats provided analysis gold every preseason until this year when he mentioned that you were tipping almost every first year rookie to be an instant star, after that you went psycho on anybody with wombat in their handle. Grow up

DeeSupreme

I noticed the same thing Skinny, pieman isn't fond of people who don't kiss his butt.

Skinny McThin

The wombat with the picture was pretty funny sometimes and only a random poster I don't know what piemans problem is. Maybe the wombat stole his missus, that could explain why pieman spends so much time on tinder 🙂

INPieman

I know who he is & he's been doing the same thing for years. I think the member subscription solves the problem

Fatty McChub

Pieman is always the first reply to wombats comments that don't have the image. that's a strange coincedence.

LoganJosh7

I love how you ask for opinions on a trade – pieman gives some decent tips and then you shred him in these comments? not sure who needs to grow up here…

Paul

Berry to Ryan and Barrett to Yeo my likely trades this week to complete my fwd line.

Brought in Lloyd in the mids last week to switch for Newman and upgrade, but now left with the dilemma of Shaw/Newman/Rance for D6 given Newman's recent form…

Dojo_Warrior

In a bit of a pickle here guys.

I'm looking at upgrading Berry, however I can either go to the Doch and have 73k in the bank, or to Lloyd and have 296k to upgrade Parsons down forward. Is Doch worth not being able to upgrade an extra rookie at this stage? Got 8 trades left so not looking good!

Rick Grimes

I'd grab Doc. That big ceiling and captain option outweighs the 25 odd points more (on average) the other pair provides.

Dojo_Warrior

That's what I'm thinking at the moment, unsure though! Parsons -> Macrae would be doable if I took Lloyd which is super tempting though!

Rick Grimes

It would be a nice feeling to not have to look at Parsons score each week. Not a lot in it, to get fair. Trust ya gut.

Moustachio

Locking in the price rise on Doc now is pointless. I would grab the value, esp this season.

Tyruddanaut

With Lloyd being 200k cheaper he is much more a better option. That way you can get 2 premiums instead of just the one from 2 trades

Dean

Docherty is AWESOME don't get me wrong we all know this, however spending $635k on a defender is just absurd.

Especially when considering you are bringing in two PREMO'S with two trades its a much better move going Lloyd and Macrae or Wallis as opposed to just Docherty and a rookie.

The fact is those who missed out on Docherty from day 1 most likely brought in Shaw instead – I know I did thinking Shaw was the most consistent defender over the last Decade what a mistake that was, however here is the key, those who brought in Docherty over Shaw have already missed out on the extra 377 points that Doc scored thus far over Shaw, so basically the damage has already been done and its getting to late to hop on the Doc train when your side requires other PREMO'S.

PRIORITY is to fill your side with premo's ASAP – If I were you I would analyse your team in 3 to 5 rounds and see how you're going, only then if you have enough trades left and can generate the cash to bring in Docherty then consider going Lloyd to Docherty or Shaw to Docherty.

Dojo_Warrior

Thanks guys. Gone with Lloyd and will have enough to upgrade to Macrae next week, I'm sure it will still hurt to see the Doc smash out such huge scores but I'll live!

Rivo

So Scooter done for a week or 2. A hold it is then.

Don't Blush Baby

IMO with what you have said I'd go the Lloyd and trade up Parsons to ? ,others might say different though

Choppers

I'm moving Berry and Barrett on this week but have 2 options and not sure which one to take.

1. Bring in Ryan (DEF) and Heeney (FWD) leaving $65400 in the kick and 7 trades left
or
2. Bring in Ryan and Merrett (MID) leaving $10100 in the pot and 7 trades left.

Only Newman and Witts on field who aren't true Premo's.

Any thoughts on which way I should go..

Tyruddanaut

You will have the extra cash if you go Heeney but you will have to use 3 trades to get full premium anyway. You can risk Gawn dropping down low enough so you can sideways trade one but if you don't have DPP, that won't work. Simply, you will be safer if you go option 2, but risk/reward for option 1

INPieman

Jelwood & Buddy get fines. Zac Jones gets a week

DeeSupreme

Must be a few staff at afl house with SC teams featuring buddy & Jelwood. It might be a good week for Doch to get punchy

Tyruddanaut

Praiise the SuperCoach Gods

hedski

Didn't even realise Rooey was getting looked at too, thank god they all got off or I was fingered.

DavidSA

It's TV ratings and money making that keeps the big names from actually doing any time for things that would sit the lesser names out for weeks. This is the same shite as always.

But Fyfe got a week for a bump you say? Yup a big name player but not relivant to the AFL when it's teams outside of Victoria. Vic+big name = fine Hodge, Jelwood, Franklin ect are proof

DavidSA

Franklin plays for Sydney now though…. yup but is also too valuable to the AFL for TVs ratings taking him out for a week

INPieman

I did think Buddy was lucky to get away with that. Looked a little intentional

Rooster XXX

What absolute rubbish mate!! What other conspiracy theories you got for us Mulder… Elvis is alive??

INPieman

I have Buddy so I'm happy he got away with it. Would have meant playing Parsons

Don't Blush Baby

Jelwood gets just a fine, Seriously if it was a no name player they would have got 2 weeks

Tyruddanaut

Then again, some players get weeks because they have a name

Rooster XXX

Absolute dribble mate!! Nothing in the incident at all, unlucky to even cop a fine

Pete

No, in the action of falling, enough evidence to create doubt it was not deliberate.

The BONT

Wallis or Greene who averages better from here on out

DeeSupreme

McCrae or Wallis who will ton up more regularly for rest of year

HarryO

I just went Macrae on the w/e… i think i regret it wallis will avg just as well and a cheaper price. better than greene also

Harry H

Interested in C thoughts this week. I see Pendles into Danger as a great option but may bring a dilemma. Danger's been a brilliant VC recently with Thursday games and playing Freo at the Cattery he's almost guaranteed to go big. But he doesn't play until Sunday this week so what would Pendles need to score to loophole? 140 enough? Danger's averaging 151 in his last 4 so the old 130-140 loophole test may be tough this week….

jez_m

General rule of thumb is anything over 120 is good for a VC. Even if Danger gets 140 for example, you're only missing out on 20 points.

Tyruddanaut

I have lost myself the SuperCoach season. I was hoping to go into the bye rounds with 20 trades and ended with 17, then I hoped I would finish full premium with 6-7 and I have 4. In addition, I'm looking to trade Scooter in a couple of weeks which will put me down to 3. I just hope that no-one gets injured

INPieman

Definitely pray hard to the gods! That's low. Maybe hold Scooter. Probably only misses a couple

TigerNut

I thought 6 was low… I'd be holding scooter mate. I did this last year and 6 wasn't enough trades by the end of the year. I ended up having a donut in a league final. So hold all your trades. No more bang bang haha

Danners

Lost myself a long time ago this Supercoach season. Two donuts last week doesn't help

HarryO

either Zerret or neale genuine options over the likes of dusty, jelwood ablett zorko even pendles?? could save a handy 40k not going the latter options but may bleed the points….

INPieman

Zerrett & Neale are good options

Relton

Is cotch a genuine option to fill me last mid spot his so cheap?? i have danger, tmitch, fyfe, JPK, bont, beams, treloar, SPP (barrett scooter cousins)

TigerNut

I like it. I have been wanting Cotch for ages. My first upgrade was to Heppell. Wish I went cotch instead. Good POD

Danners

Would rather Cripps, but Cotchin isn't too bad

Will

Hey Community, which mid should i pick up out of: Neale, Jewood or Pendles?

Danners

DePendlebury

Guru

Go left field. Everyone is considering the same midfielders to bring in. Go a Duncan or Ross type.

Pete

Neale

Will

Yeah think i might go Neale

DavidSA

Be honest with you guys I have hung up the Pen in the locker room this year but have brought out a new pad of paper with SuperCoach 2018 written on it. Will look at the rest of season very closely and have givin myself new rules to base selections on next year

Based on 2016/17

1) TOG % over 80%
2) DE % over 75%
3) Kicks over 55%
4) Scored no lower than 70 pts
5) Avg 105+ over 2016/17
6) Get Doch yup even though he will be priced at 600k ans some he is a must even if he averages 105 next year.

That's my premium player rules, no more mid price bs… this year sucked in a lot of coaches unless you went Murphy,
Oliver as such

BrownlowBoy

There is somewhat a changing of the Supercoach guard. Players such as Shaw, JPK, Ablett, Riewoldt won't be bought into next year with the likes of Doch, Oliver, Kelly, Merrett, Yeo emerging before our eyes.

INPieman

Was listening to a draft expert yesterday who said he can only see 29 players "draft worthy". Usually twice that much. He said next years draft was way better. That will mean rookie options will be limited & the need for mid pricers under valued will probably be needed

Derek

Don't tell me that!

Jake.B

Weird. Considering last year they said that this year's draft was going to be way better haha.

INPieman

Things changed quickly it seems! 29 players is not good. Hopefully some more step up. Like 40 of them

Dutch

I heard the same, from memory early afternoon on sen, may need to revisit our strategies if that is correct. Having said that it's the quality of the top 20-30 that's arguably more important for sc than the depth of the talent pool, and they were mostly talking about depth. The talk was around clubs trading away 2nd and 3rd round picks from this years draft as a result .

INPieman

Yep Dutch. It was Brett Anderson on SEN. He knows his stuff

Moustachio

Draft experts told us this years crop was a strong. Draft experts are pretenders just like the rest of us…

Cr0magn0n

Hey David, I like that you're planning ahead. I do this too. Here's the thing, each season presents different challenges and different opportunities. It's making sure you exploit the opportunities that will improve your game. So, I think hard and fast rules could hold you back from building the best team you could. For example, you've said no mid pricers. I'd argue that the likes of Nank, Sandi, Oliver, Steele, Scooter, Murphy, Marchbank and maybe most of all Witts have been resounding successes. Next year looks to be hard IMO, there won't be the gun players returning from injury that we had this year. Hopefully the trade period will throw us some bones with players changing clubs to seek better opportunities. Best of luck with it buddy.

TOPHAWK1

Hi David,

I have a rule going into each season of Supercoach. It's a new season, and we start again. I try to remember the little errors I made in previous year(s) and build from there. Many coaches tend to over research and over analyse things.

With all due respect to Derek, he is a good example. He does not own Docherty and here we are looking at round 14! I started with the doc, because he was good last year and has youth on his side. Big upside.

Kade Simpson is the opposite. He is on the downward slide to retirement, despite still being a great player. This game is always in a state of flux Dave. Try and keep it simple. Its more fun that way.

Good luck next year mate.

Derek

I'm a good example of someone who for the last couple of years have stuck stubbornly to my golden rules and unfortunately where they might have held true in previous years (top 100 twice) they have failed me this year.

Rules are good, but maybe I've got too many.

KrazeeEyezK1lla

to be honest, not sure doing a ton of research and planning is all that necessary. if you know footy, which I'm sure you do, just back yourself in. I didn't play last season as I was overseas for 6 months, and didn't pay attention to any stats at all, so when I decided to make a team this year I spent maybe a couple hours or deciding on a team, read some stuff on here, and bang. just before the bye rounds I was ranked around 700 overall. now, some planning for the bye round may have been smart as I'm now ranked 1620 overall(oops), but the moral of the story is, just back yourself in. you don't want it to be a chore. take a punt and see how you go!

Whatyasmokin

You'll have a crap 2018 then as well.

1. Good rule.
2. Not bad.
3. So this will apply to rucks too?
4. Lol, rubbish.
5. So you will get no breakouts, and no good midpricers. Guns and rookies again hey. If the season is like 2017 get ready to fall behind all over again.
6. I hope Doch is 700K, then you'll get him, and I'll get him round 5 or so for 100K less.

List of successful midpricers 2017

Josh Kelly (kinda midprice)
Oliver
Heeney
Yeo
Roberton
Kreuzer
Sandi
Murphy
Beams
Z. Jones
Steele
WHE
Witts
Marchbank
Sheed
Papley
Pederson
Taranto
McGrath

The problem isn't mid priced players it's YOU. Look at the names in that list and how they are performing. Your strategy is laughable.

Brutal honesty was needed here David, you just failed to pick the right players.

Cr0magn0n

Brutal!

Derek

Over the previous 3 years I had one out of 11 midpricers do well.

I started this year with the memory of BSmith and Rich still in my head

Fact is most midpricers fail. We only remember the one who didnt

I could give you a list longer than that of midpricers who were not good

DavidSA

well no shit Sherlock
Hindsight is a funny thing ain't it
Of that list you put up I had Steele, Nank, McGrath, Beams and Marchbank in my mid priced starting players. Can't fit them all in can you. You make such a claim based on no evidence "brutally honest" how honest you think you are being is debatable.

Oliver, Murphy and such or maybe should have worded it better for people like you "players who have been that cheep and have far far… far exceeded expectation.
Docherty you will wait hmm like this year went well for that strategy doh! Bad hope for 700k at my expense lol righteo

Problem is you can't just give feedback you have to be a prick at the same time don't you

DavidSA

@whatisyourproblem

Moustachio

Great list (and response… lol)

Hoot

Burton had been great for me. Mid priced selections will alalways play their role.

Pete

Too much analysis and too many rules. Look for young players on the rise not older players in decline. Injured players returning after missing half a season such as Murphy,Sandilands, Beams can be good value but don't go for players out for a season or more such as Roughead or OMeara. Keep it simple, the players are still human after all, not machines.

Rocksta

I don"t agree with the GnR.
I went GnR this season aside from Beams, JOM and Sandi and will really struggle to get my last 2 Premos in due to limited cash gen potential.The reason for this is that the Rookies for the most part have been shite, and I've lost patience with them and thus traded them out prematurely.
I think bringing in the right mid pricers is the difference between being in the top 1000 and the top 10,000. I'm not saying to go mid price madness, but how I woyld have loved to have had Murphy, Oliver, Witts from the start.

Derek

The GnR strategy had a golden period with the Suns, GWS, Port and Essendon offering us endless choice of high scoring rookies, especially back when you could get the #1 draft pick for $117k.

we did have the Green Vest to worry about

I stuck with the old Guard. My mids are; Ablett, Danger, Selwood, Fyfe, Pendlebury, JPK, Hanners and TMitch.

Defenders; Shaw, Laird, Simpson, Adams, Rance.

About time I look at the younger brigade.

The Ranger

Spot on Derek. The old guard have under performed and the younger breed have stepped up.
But next year this years young mid priced brigade will be priced at a higher level so I'm already trying to spot who will be next years Oliver, Kelly, Lloyd etc.
However I think it's a mistake to think that just because the midpricers have done well this year it will be the same next year.