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PODCAST: SuperCoach Round 12

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AFL SuperCoach Jock Reynolds round 12

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Tommo09

Trading Barrett and Parsons to Cousins and Dahlhaus
Will leave me with 12 trades and 157k left

Targeting Doch, Rocky, Gawn, Macrae and Greene to finish my team
Gawn and Greene are coming in for Steele and Sandi so are luxury trades

Thoughts???

Tyruddanaut

I don't think that they should be "luxury trades". There are two way of using Mid-Pricers: As a breakout contender premium and as a steeping stone for premium. Look at it as the latter

Big Dazza

Hold onto your trades , nothing much ro gain here.

Steeeve

People really don't plan for the byes do they? I got a very average sub 1700 and went up 1500 spots…

This week I was planning to sit tight but am thinking Myers down to Cousins and Marchbank up to Doc.

nankthetank

Marchbank to doc is a must steve, he's the #1 defender and will hold that title all year

Tyruddanaut

Adams is a much better player in general so I wouldn't speak too soon

Dan V2

Adams is a shite kick though costs him points week in week out that being said him & Doc and slightly lesser extent Laird are must haves after that I think it's much of a muchness.

Ethan

they play in different positions so it is difficult to compare

Steeeve

Yep that requires a downgrade so two trades it is!

Doggy

I'd planned for an even spread through the bye rounds, then in the two weeks prior I had 3 premos out with injury and 2 rookies dropped who were all round 11 players . Left me with 15 on field for R11. Still got nearly 1600. But I wasn't going to change my trading strategy to cover one round, so I tanked it.

Kyle

Even with planning the byes can still go ass up. I managed a score in the high 1500s with sandi and JJK. Every out during the byes hurts a lot more than usual. So whilst a lot of the time it is poor planning, sometimes there is other reasons

Top Gun

Depends on your rank. I scored a little over that and climbed 78 places.

Randomcliche2

I did but Sandi and special buy of Harbrow have fd that right up. #burningtrades

Wingard

Any thoughts on Zak Williams community? Can get Taylor Adams, have Heath Shaw,,,

nankthetank

I've had Williams from day 1 and have never looked back, but if you can get adams then that's the safer and smarter pick

Top Gun

Get Adams

nankthetank

Thoughts on bringing in Mitch Wallis this week?

Will

I like it

INPieman

Looks like a good option until you do research. I don't like the numbers & durability is no good either http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pu-western-bul

nankthetank

Oh yeah that's a bit troubling, not liking the handball : kick ratio

Ethan

Macrae or Dahl are more reliable options, would be a brave person to jump on him given his history of being a known "tagger"

jake

bulldogs dont tag

Rowlers

Hello all, any help is good!
this is my team wanting to make some trades got 18 in the bank and $56,900
Adams, Laird, Shaw, Otten,Simpson, Hibberd, Stewart, EVW,
Danger, Titch, Bont, Fyfe, Cripps, JPK, Swallow, Myers, Greenwood, SPP, Barrett
Nank, Witts
Yeo, Dahlhouse, Buddy, Heeney, Steele, Taranto, Parsons, Eddy
thinking of getting rid of Otten and EVW

nankthetank

Otten should go, and I'd be trading SPP for a premo mid, as you're a bit short there

Rowlers

thoughts on Wallis in the mid?

Rowlers

I could go
Out: Otten, Taranto, SPP
In: Wallis, Ebert and L.Ryan (i know) breaking supercoach rules but it sets me up for next week.

Ethan

Ryan didnt look that impressive in his first game so i wouldn't be banking on him to keep his spot after the bye.
Wallis is a risky selection given that you could invest in a definite top 6 forward in macrae.
Ebert is a pod pick but he is their go to player to attempt to tag someone. But like coniglio wins plenty of his own ball but he won't pull off big scores as often.

Diesel

otten out, doc in. Full premo defence! – post bye
Taranto out, cousins in – through DPP (you should still scrape through round 13 without a donut or trades….. pending selection)

I'd also be looking at scooter next round and maybe scharenberg round 13. Both will make some cash and have scoring potential and give you room for another premo upgrade soon.

Mavs17

Hey guys,
Need some help finishing my team.
Im fine with players for this weeks bye.
Team is as follows:

Laird, Adams, Roberton
Hibberd, Tuohy, Burton
(Stewart, Hibberd)

Danger, Pendles, Martin
Kennedy, Fyfe, Zorko
Oliver, Selwood
(Fisher, Lloyd, Cousins)

Martin, Nankervis (strndica)

Greene, Dalhaus, Yeo
Franklin, Steele, Greenwood
(Parsons, Eddy)

11 Trades left and 40,000 in bank

Thanks

Defying_Madness

Have you considered Burton and Stewart to Ryan and Doch?

Mavs17

Is ryans JS good though? And Doch or should i wait for Lloyd to drop in price?

jez_m

Doch has to be a priority. You could trade Lloyd in later as well as a mid/def rookie (non-playing) and use them as a swing set to cover your defenders and mids if you cop and injury later on.

Mavs17

Alright thanks. Will trade in Ryan and Doch this week

DavidSA

Harbrow copped a club ban for drink driving

INPieman

Yep. Copped a week for not following the Ben Cousins exit strategy

Tyruddanaut

I know a couple of people who brought him in last week. Just glad that I had to fix a donut otherwise he would've been my problem too. Lucky it's only a week though

Jordan

Worth bringing in cousins even though he has the bye next week?

Hoot

To free up cash yes

INPieman

Depends on your team structure & use for him. Unless your flush with trades your likely to see him on your bench in round 23

The benchmark

Thought I was going to drop a few thousand after my horror score, but still hanging on to 1600 overall after only losing 600 spots. Bring on the back end of the byes. How's everyone looking towards a premium team? I'm 2 away with 12 trades left 70k in the kitty
Wonder if there is a full premium out there already hunting

Lazza

Hmmm.. sitting around 1100 but still 6 short of what I call full premo. With only 14 trades and $170k left probably won't get there.. so probably have to keep Ryder and Nankervis..

Fisting

3 spots off Full premo, 14 trades, 500k in the kitty.

Hoping to go bang bang bang after this round and bring in my final spots.

The BONT

Is this a good Trade
SPP to Ebert
Balic to Cousins
Burton to Hibberd

YES OR NO and why

jez_m

Sound like good trades to me. I'd target Lloyd next week if you have the funds for it.

rory

dont get rid of burton he can sore pretty cositsyently even when the hawks are losing

smote

"Nathaniel, Nathaniel let down your hair."
Thats gold lads.
Had a good old laugh at Ross being outBossed.

The BONT

Who is the best defender for $500,000 at the moment

bob the builder

Zac Williams is 500 on the dot :p
Other roberton/lloyd if you can wait

Dildor

Wait a week on Lloyd and get him at stuff all price.

Boner Contention

Heater. Already cheap

Darc

Hey all.

Need a bit of advice on the team, RD 13 looks like a nightmare for me.

109k in the bank, 16 trades left.

Doc, Adams, Laird, Tuohy, Newman, Stewart (Scharenberg, Hibberd from NM)

Danger, Dusty, Hanners, Bont, Treloar, Pendles, Fyfe, Scotty Selwood (Cousins, Myers, Lloyd)

Grundy, Nank (Strnadica)

Macrae, Dahl, Buddy, Heeney, Taranto, Greenwood (Bolton, Parsons)

I want to free up some cash in the bank so any ideas?

Tyruddanaut

You should try to get rid of Myers, Taranto, Greenwood and Newman within the next few weeks

David C

Hold Greenwood.

TOPHAWK1

Is it true?

Is Higgo is turning into a Super Coach pimp? Is he getting desperate for some real action?!?

All good Higgo, but not taking your pimpy advice this week.

Looking for smart and bang for your buck trades this week. I am looking to use all 3 this week. That leaves me with 12.
(And 20 warm bodies for round 13, the round of reckoning) Might save a trade or two when everybody else is panicking.

B Eddy to J Cousins via DDP (Greenwood)
A Otten to Michael Hibberd.
JJK to TJ Lynch or Macrae…..

I dont trust JJK's injury prognosis. I still reckon his calf is like the knee of Nick Riewoldt. Its all good, he will be back!

And then like Roo, he misses more matches.

Thoughts?

Tyruddanaut

I think Tom Lynch could turn his season around but that's only if GCS as a team improve. Macrae on the other hand is… I don't know… it's a gut feeling that he won't go great but I also had a gut feeling that Hanners would be good

TOPHAWK1

I traded in Hanners when he was dirt cheap in round 6. Happy with his output since.

Heath Shaw is in the last lounge saloon this week. If he screws up again, I have a nicely priced DEF/MID replacement for him.

Tophawk

Defying_Madness

I like your thinking. It will be a popular trade next week if he stuffs up again. Also fixes my Round 13 bye problem

Swans2012

Do you really think a Shaw trade is worthwhile? Shawly he gets better, and still averaging 90ish, and let's face it that mid/def is breaking out and now has a concussion to deal with….who is to say he keeps it up. I own both and expect similar output for remainder of year….

Wedge

Other than first two rounds hanners has been more than serviceable. Three rnd average of 128. 5 rnd average of 121.

neil Demons Delight

the three outs are no brainers whats eddy doing there anyway and replacements perfect but Tophawks every man and dog will do them

rex

Upgrade Berry, Stewart or SPP to roberton?
My R13 bye is fine

Tyruddanaut

SPP has started to look like his cash is dripping on the carpet. Don't let it leave a stain and kick him out of your house before he does any real damage

Notorious mac

Powell pepper has lost a cent all season and is projected to go up 11k this week

Notorious mac

*hasn't

pod

Keep SPP and Stewart, both are improving and gaining confidence.

bob the builder

Myers to cousins this week?

B.T

Good move, Myers been nothing but crap.

Danners

Thats what I'm doing, so good move

LoganJosh7

Don't really see a reason to trade someone who's getting games?

if he gets dropped then definitely a viable option

The BONT

Burton to Lloyd this week considering Break Evens

SF4

Lloyd will probably drop another 40-50k in the next week or so. Should wait until then.

LoganJosh7

cant wait to buy you next week!

WC Falcons

What does the community think about Jake Spencer in for Grundy or Martin. Then Spencer out for Gawn when when Gawn has dropped in price after he comes back?

Tyruddanaut

Jake Spencer just isn't a good player. He won't generate enough cash to go up to Gawny without a worry and won't generate many points. If you haveNank in FWD swing him into ruck and if you don't have him….. GET HIM

WC Falcons

I would be interested to hear why you think Spencer isn't a good player. Not that I know but he had 100 sc points game one and 45 Sc points too half time before he got injured. Even if he averages 80 as the main ruck, he will make a quick 100 k. And with Gawn's BE he will drop 50 k or more. I don't care that Spencer isn't the best Ruck but I see him as a great stepping stone because I will have money in the bank as insurance after the initial trade so I won't need the full amount to trade up to Gawn.

Goat

Spencer will pay until Gawn returns (maybe). Gawn's price drop will take a week or 2 after he returns.. Who is playing in those 2 weeks while his price is dropping?

David

NanK

Doc

Who should I lock in for D6 community?

Wallis, Cameron, Dixon, Greene ?
Or someone else.

Already have Dahl, McRae, Yeo, JJK, Nank

Doc

Or even M6.

Doc

Must be really tired … should be F6

INPieman

The most unique defence structure I've seen

Russty_

I reckon Greene out of that lot Doc..get some sleep fella haha

Whitey

I'm going to see how Roo goes and look at him for F 6.

SCdonkey

I thought i was nuts of thinking of doing a sideway trades Lloyd to Roberton and Priddis to Wines and a Rookie downgrade. Then after Rd 13 bring Lloyd and Priddis(someone else) at a cheaper price.

Might actually do those trade Higgos "Pimp my Ride" strategy.

JohndJames

I'm doing the same with Lloyd this week,trading to Hibberd then in two weeks get him back,burn a trade but save 70k,have no cash so have to look at these type of moves.

Randomcliche2

Valid move. Especially of hibb goes to 550k.

Roughead&SheSwallos

G'day community, was thinking this week:
Sandi-Cousins via Nank and other dpps
Newman or steward to Roberton
Myers/Spp/Barret -Kelly
Would some some opinions, cheers!

David C

Kelly has the bye next week.

Tyruddanaut

Looking at my F5/6 depending on how Roughy plays the rest of the season out. Already locked in the likes of Dahl, Lynch, Buddy and wondering about Heeney but I have that spare spot to fill in. I'm looking at Dixon with an easy run ahead of him but I also want Gawn when he comes fit again so I don't know whether to do an early trade or wait. Nank is my R2 right now so possibly even Kreuzer or Mummy could be good
Thoughts?

NickMacMan

Are there gonna be any good downgrade options next week do we think?

Goat

No

LoganJosh7

oh look its Nathan lyon

stêvę

12 trades left, 2 away from full premo, should i go myers->cousins and newman>hibberd to make 1 away from full premo? or conserve trades

KrazeeEyezK1lla

do it

LoganJosh7

impressive

Boner Contention

Don't stop now Steve. Seems to be working….. Trade Early, Trade Hard, Trade Often

Danny

Charlie Dixon or Macrae?

redherringfc

Macrae, Dixon is far too erratic.

Ben

Is it worth dumping Myers for Cousin for a bit of cash in the bank?

David C

Myers only needs one big score (think Hannan) and then he'll generate heaps of cash.

Gjlane123

Have 11 trades left and 3 premos to upgrade over next few weeks planning to have full premo with 5 trades left in either round 15-16 is that a reasonable amount of trades to hang on too for injuries ?

wightyswarriors

Too few sadly

Russty_

I reckon you'll be royally screwed, especially when there are multiple injuries and or suspensions, always happens.

jez_m

I'm big on Ollie Wines this week. He's averaged 106 vs teams not currently in the top 8 and they play 8 more games against those sides in the back half of the year. Super value at $479K in my opinion.

pod

Good info, he's a friggin bargain!

Russty_

Hey guys, anyone think Pederson will stay in the side if Spencer comes in?

jez_m

Gawn due back in a couple of weeks time so I'd say neither of them have great JS going forward

Russty_

Cheers Jez

neil Demons Delight

wasn.t a fan of Pederson but Hogan needs help and he is the one similar to Dawes but twice as good makes him average as Dawes was crap

ToneStar

Is this crazy?

Trade Kelly next week who will be around 620k to Bont who will be around 525k… I predict they will average the same from here on.
This helps with my byes to field 18 and I pocket nearly 100k to upgrade my final forward premo. Don’t need to rely on our slow burning rookies this year for $$$$$… get to full premo quicker…

Crazy or am I crazy?

WC Falcons

No probs with the move provided you have the trades to burn. Early cash is like making extra payments on your mortgage IMO. Increases equity sooner.

Defying_Madness

I really like this move

ToneStar

No problem with trades. Doing these trades allows me to upgrade Hanna to Yeo next week. 12 trades left after that with the only rookie left on field is Newman. Newman becomes Adams with 2 trades.

ToneStar

Hannan ^

pod

Crazy but I like it.

ProTravo

If it helps with the byes and cash flow it's not a bad option. I wouldn't trade out Kelly personally, lowest score of the year is a 92 and after last round has shown he is capable of massive scores.

neil Demons Delight

woudnt do it personally Kelly too good

BingoBangoJingoJango

Dixon, Franklin or Greene lads?

pod

Franklin then Greene

ProTravo

Greene

Mike

Peter you say you'd do aggressive trades does that mean you'd trade in Lloyd and Macrae this week, even though they'll drop in price or would you hold off to save cash??

P_J_Higgo

Trade regardless of potential drop in price, Mike. If this enables you a more fruitful Rd.13 with trades next week I feel the point gain will more than justify the slightly higher expense.

Go well me friend.

Kyle

Would go now on macrae. Wait on lloyd tho.

Will

Should I get Tom Lynch instead of Toby Greene if it means I can get Doch instead of Roberton?

pod

Yes, Lynch is the best key position fwd in the game.

Jose

I think ill go early on macrae this week via
Myers to cousins
Sandi to macrae via nank

Rd 13 is going to be interesting if i dont get some bodies in. Going for leagues not rank

Rivo

13 trades and $20k. Do I hold or trade? This weeks team…

D: Doc, Laird, Simpson, Shaw, Scharenbeg, Stewart (Rance, EVW);
M: Hanners, Sloane, Pendles, Treloar, JPK, M.Crouch, Fyfe, SPP (Cousins, Danger, Pickett);
R: S.Martin, Sandi (Nank);
F: Dahl, Franklin, Heeney, Greenwood, Parsons, Bolton (Eddy, Stnadica).

Sandi an issue now, with 1 x premo short in defence, and 2-3 premo's short in Fwd line.

Who should I be targeting here? Any trades suggested for this week?

Rivo

? any help here?

Boner Contention

Sandi out. Ryder in.
Parsons to Brown if you need the cash.
SPP to Scooter for next week preparation

Fyfe

Fyfe to Rockliffe?

INPieman

Back yourself Nat

wightyswarriors

again i say…ignore sc101 at your peril, especially for a proven injury prone player…I'm so glad I still have hanners and treloar

ProTravo

All this sideways trade talk has got me thinking… Would you say Fyfe to Wines a wasted trade?

neil Demons Delight

yep bad one

Marco_Polo94

Not many discussing Montagna as an upgrade option. Dropped $90k, b/e of 88, high ceiling, proven premo, had his bye, 1.5% of teams. Is it a role change or just injury risk that is scaring people away? Have I missed something?

Da_Boysh

i was thinking the same, people are worried about age he seems to be dropping off

I Steele Your Girl

It feels like Roberton has taken away Joeys half back role at this stage

INPieman

Agree with Girl thief. Joey was the man out of defence last season. This year it's Roberton

Budgie63

Higgo mentioned his team is just inside the top 2,000. Does anyone know his team name?

INPieman

Mathemagic FC

Ryan

Who is the best midfielder option to bring in that has already had the bye?

Already have Danger, Pendels, Treloar, Merrett, Cripps, Tom mitchell and Fyfe.

I can afford any midfielder.

Cheers community

ProTravo

Bont, JPK or Hanners

Captain Risky

Rockliff

pod

The Bont is cheap but wait another week for him, b/e 159. Jelwood b/e 62 and JPK b/e 103 also relatively cheap.

Derek

Jelwood

Diesel

Rocky & Ablett can both go BIG
Wines is another option that will bring cash as well as good scores

Steeeve

Fess up ladies and gents. Who is below 10 trades after this week?

INPieman

Not me. I will still have 12 or 13 depending on if Sandi plays

Swans2012

10 & 170k in bank, maybe 9 and 100k if I deal with sandi…..and one midfield spot to fill before full keeper (incl.steele,witts,sandi as keepers and puts sselwood @m9)

Wedge

I'll have ten. Plan on two next week for doc and then hopefully hold 8 for finals

Mavs17

I have 9 after trading stewart and Burton for doch and ryan

pod

15 before this weeks trades, $80K bank.

TheGreatBozza

19 left. Playing for league wins this year after my team plummeted to 20k by being too conservative. I've won my league premiership in 3 of the past 4 years by leaving myself with 6+ trades through finals. The year I lost in a prelim I ran out of trades.

Kyle

Have 11 and 144k and am 3 off full keeper. Straight swap newman to lloyd in a few weeks. Bont in next week and maybe mummy after his bye. Then team should be complete

BockChoy

If I get to make the trades I'm planning on, I'll have 8 left but with close to a full premo side. I torched a few trades early on covering injuries (Rampe, Smith, Gawn and O'Meara).

After the Max Gawn Disaster (when I had my captain tag on him) in round 3, my ranking plummeted to around 95,000. For a period, I got to see how the other half lived. I've managed to claw my way back to around 37,000… way lower than I want to be but all things considered, not so bad! I feel a bit like my beloved Tiger in 2014… shocking first half of the year then coming home like a train in the 2nd half!

redherringfc

sitting on 11 and one off Pseudo full premium (steele, newman, witts and pedersen)

2 trades to get Adams in next week and make a few $$. Then sit it out to Finals only trading for injuries. Hopefully two trades per week in finals.

Randomcliche2

Max trades haven't missed one yet, yep 6 left. 4 LTI in first 2 weeks. Full premo though Round 12 2017 https://imgur.com/gallery/fN93l what do you think? Too agressive? Overall goal.

Boner Contention

I confess.
Have a great team though.

Mitch

So i come into round 12 with 15 trades.
Ive chosen to upgrade otten > Hibberd / Turner > Tom J Lynch
I can field 19 this week but i need a downgrade option for Brett Eddy

INPieman

If you've got Greenwood in the mids trade Eddy then sub Greenwood to the fwd line & get Cousins

Mitch

Eddy is only fwd, no dpp

Wedge

Once you trade out eddy you will be given the option to sub in a dpp to replace him. Hit trade on eddy and hit sub on greenwood and he will fill the gap in your forward line. Then trade in cousins to your midfield

ProTravo

Just a bit of possibly useless information..
After looking into the consistency of all the premo's, this is the top 5 highest 'Lowest scores' out of premo's who have played every game this season.

1. J.Kelly 92
2. Oliver 91
3. Ebert 89
4. Cotchin 89
5. T. Mitchell 85

ProTravo

I missed Doc whose lowest score is also 91

pod

Leave Doc out of this.

KrazeeEyezK1lla

Handy info! is this a sign of things to come, or a sign that they're due to have some down games at some point?

ProTravo

I guess time will tell. What I found most interesting is the very low ownership of Cotchin and Ebert given their avgs, consistency and handy bye rounds.

Dice

This is the list Matty Priddis is a gun at….not this year the prick

Mitch

Def
Laird, Simpson, Rance E. Vickers-Willis
Johannisen, Otten, Newman M.Scharanberg

Mid
Sloane, Neale S.Selwood
Zorko, Oliver H.Greenwood
Bont, Fyfe S.Bolton
Dahlhaus, Spp

Ruck
Grundy, Witts N.Vardy

Fwd
Heeney, JJKennedy K.Turner
WHE, Garlett F.Mcinnes
Taranto, Eddy

15 trades $191.8k salary remaining
Who do i trade?
Was thinking Otten > Hibberd and Turner > Tom J Lynch

jez_m

Confirmed: Sandi is going to miss again this weekend vs Brisbane.

INPieman

I think it's time to shoot the big prick

neil Demons Delight

Ryder still cheap been a good choice cant deny that problem is his coach

jez_m

I turfed him two weeks ago for Goldy. He was never going to be a keeper.

Gregory

I have 20 playin this week so I trade Sandilands for Martin this week or wait a week for Martin to drop some more in price

INPieman

Have you heard of a bloke called Archie Smith who halves Stef Martins scores?

Winter

Is Preuss to Strnadica a solid trade if my reasons are to pocket 160k and have a swing between Nank?

And Myers to Scharenberg but for 50k only it might not be worth it.
Other options are trading Stewart or Berry

jez_m

I'd trade Preuss if you have two premo tucks and Nank. It sounds like you could probably pass on Scharenberg, but it depends on how many players you can field in your byes.

pod

There was media discussion today about Preuss and how he should be given a crack. Not sure why he hasn't yet but he keeps producing in the VFL. Might pay to hold him for now.

Whitey

JPK or the Bont? Or will they end up the same anyway?

pod

The Bont. He's not on fire right now but you know he will produce the goods. JPK is also down a bit but he's tough and will bounce back.

Bob Butter

Hey guys, would love some feedback on my team as i am pretty stumped on what to do this week. At this point i think the only trade i will make this week is sandi out if he is not named. I can't see how i will be able to field 18 in round 13 though which worries me, any thoughts on potential trades this/next week will be greatly appreciated. Got 67k in the kitty, 12 trades left, ranked 2000

Laird, Doch, Williams, Howe, Shaw, Newman (Berry, Hibberd NM)
Danger, Selwood, Pendles, Murphy, Fyfe, Treloar, Kennedy, Selwood (SPP, Myers, Lloyd)
Witts, Sandi (Strndica)
Yeo, Dahl, Nank, Franklin, Steele, WHE (Parsons, Greenwood)

B.T

Sandi has been ruled out, time to move him on.

David C

Swing Nank into the ruck and bring in someone like Macrae or Lynch.

Keenbutclueless

I would suggest Sandi out. Move Nank into the ruck. Bring in Lynch or Wallis. Consider Parsons down to Cousins this week so that you can take WHE up to Macrae the following week. That would give you 18 in round 13.

neil Demons Delight

only D6 to go but if I do McGrath and Stewart to DOC and crappy rook my def bench is suss Hibbo and scharra or mcniece. long way to go with crappy cover thinking Macca /stewart better than doc ./crappy rook don't know but

Keenbutclueless

Get Doc Neil! I believe in Pieman's assessment of rookies, so on that basis Ryan will get better.

neil DEMONS DELIGHT

forgot about Ryan thanks cheap too