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SuperCoach RD4: The Heroes, The Villains, The Damned.

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The Supercoach heroes, the villains and the DAMNED of 2018

Easter is supposed to be a joyous time of the year, where we delight in receiving chocolate eggs as gifts from a mythical furry creature.

Unfortunately this weekend many SuperCoaches received gifts of a different brown variety – turds.

There were stinking nuggets everywhere. Dusty. Treloar. Rance. Cripps. Swallow. Robbie Gray. Heater. Buddy. Higgins. Roughy. Ward. Heppell. Watson. The list goes on. The stain in the underpant was absolutely enormous.

For the first time this season the Villains list was bigger than the Heroes. Coaches were doing well to pass 2200 in a round many would like to forget.

The Heroes

Tom Rockliff (176 SC) was enormous in a losing side for Brisbane on Sunday, amassing 33 touches – 21 of them contested – 11 tackles and 8 marks to register an imperious score.

A trio of Crows had a day out in Adelaide’s thrashing of Essendon, with Eddie Betts (150 SC) nailing six majors, captain Taylor Walker (142 SC) banging home five of his own and Rory Sloane (124 SC) continuing his magnificent start to the season.

Eagles duo Elliott Yeo (141 SC) and Luke Shuey (127 SC) were the pick of the players from the Thursday night match against the Swans, while Luke Dahlhaus (145 SC) and Ben Cunnington (125 SC) were arguably their respective sides’ best in Good Friday’s historic first AFL match.

Shane Mumford (133 SC) and Stef Martin (130 SC) were the pick of the ruckmen for the round, with Mumford shaping as a nice POD if he can continue his current output.

Collingwood’s Jeremy Howe (130 SC) is shaping a potential top 6 defender after cracking his second ton in four matches. A consistent Howe is yet to drop below 85 this season.  Freo’s David Mundy (121 SC) is recapturing the form that saw him present as a decent midfield option in season 2015, once again outshining Nat Fyfe in Freo’s upset win over Melbourne.

You have to admire the tenacity and consistency of Carlton’s Marc Murphy (123 SC) and Essendon’s Zach Merrett (120 SC) so far in 2017, as both gun mids have easily been their side’s best players this season.  Sam Menegola (126 SC), Mitch Duncan (125 SC) and Steven Motlop (123 SC) led the way for Geelong in their demolition of Hawthorn on Monday.

Brandon Matera (159 SC), Daniel Rich (137 SC), Jeff Garlett (131 SC), Shaun Grigg (127 SC), Dylan Roberton (126 SC) and Jack Riewoldt (122 SC) were others to post quality scores over Round 4, however they don’t appear SC relevant at this stage.

The Villains

Bloody hell, where do we start. Many bought into Dustin Martin (54 SC) following his prolific start to the season but a hard Mitch Robinson tag and a leg complaint hindered his output severely. Team-mate Alex Rance (55 SC) also was quiet but in fairness he didn’t really have a lot to do as the ball rarely made it into his area during the Tigers’ big win.

I’ve nicknamed Adam Treloar (72 SC) “The Butcher” for his extreme talent of regularly chopping up possessions and turning the pill over to the opposition.  He always gets plenty of it, but again he went at under 70% efficiency for third time this season.  Fellow Pie Steele Sidebottom (64 SC) also had a nightmare, going at just 51% efficiency despite gathering 31 possessions.

Lance Franklin (77 SC) was sore against the Eagles after a Shannon Hurn bump while team-mate Zak Jones (72 SC) is looking like the classic mid-price trap at the minute. Speaking of traps, I bet Shaun Higgins (75 SC) gets some sort of sick pleasure from sucking coaches in every season only to turn around and burn them severely. Heath Shaw (80 SC) is in doubt for this week with a shin issue, while poor efficiency hurt team-mates Toby Greene (84 SC) and Callan Ward (65 SC). Father time might just be catching up with Bulldogs champion Matthew Boyd (62 SC), while fellow veteran Leigh Montagna (77 SC) couldn’t back up a brilliant outing last week.

Bomber pair Dyson Heppell (67 SC) and Jobe Watson (44 SC) had matches to forget, as did Carlton duo Kade Simpson (84 SC) and Patrick Cripps (77 SC). Port Adelaide’s Robbie Gray (68 SC) appears to be spending more time up forward which will hamper his ability to post consistent high scores.

David Swallow (46 SC) was plagued by an ankle complaint while Gold Coast team-mate Jarrod Witts (79 SC) was never going to be able to maintain the high standard he had set himself in the first three rounds.

The Redeemers

It was a case of when it rains it pours for Gold Coast spearhead Tom Lynch (161 SC). Coming off erratic totals of 43 and 94, Lynch slammed through seven goals as well as 12 marks to register a monster score.

The yo-yo form of Lachie Neale (140 SC) has also continued. After being one of the top-scoring SC mids last season, Neale start 2017 with scores of 83, 129, 84, before roaring back into form during Freo’s upset victory over Melbourne. Only had the 22 touches but kicked 4.1 to help bolster his score.

Finally, Cam McCarthy (100 SC) showed us something. Kudos goes to the brave coaches who held him after his shocking start to the season. This was a good display from the young man, registering 15 kicks, six marks to go with 2.3 in front of goal.

It wasn’t the massive 150 his owners were hoping for, but Todd Goldstein (96 SC) showed enough for his coaches to hold the champion ruckman. In a reversal from last week, Goldy attended far more centre bounces than Pruess and looks back in favour as the number one ruck at North.

After starting brightly in Round 1, number one draft pick Andy McGrath (97 SC) looked average in the following two matches, but he showed plenty on the weekend. Was one of Essendon’s best in their poor display against Adelaide, racking up a cool 28 possessions at 85% efficiency.

The Prodigies

Once again it was Adelaide’s Andy Otten (98 SC) that led the way for the rookies, racking up yet another nice score. Otten is thriving in the absence of Josh Jenkins playing the back up ruck role at the Crows, but keep an eye on his output once big Josh returns.

Nic Newman (80 SC) was the pick of the Sydney rooks, enjoying another notable performance, despite his side’s woes. Will Hayward (61 SC), Robbie Fox (59 SC) and Oliver Florent (59 SC) were all ok without standing out.

Many coaches were playing two or three of Will Hoskin-Elliott (70 SC), Dan Houston (69 SC) and Dan Butler (64 SC) on field in their forward lines and they again did not disappoint.

Freo’s Harley Balic (73 SC) produced a much better display in his second outing, finishing with 15 touches, five tackles and a goal. He’s on the bubble this week and should be considered as a trade-in option in the midfield. His team-mate Griffin Logue (21 SC) is playing a key defensive role and will not score high enough to earn a place in your side.

Carlton have been producing plenty of cash cows with first-gamer Zac Fisher (74 SC) looking very promising, while Caleb Marchbank (74 SC) again got the job done. The same can’t be said for Jarrod Pickett (49 SC), Tom Williamson (45 SC) and Harrison Macreadie (32 SC).

Popular rookie selections Sam Powell-Pepper (41 SC) and Curtly Hampton (52 SC) were highly disappointing and many coaches will not have the confidence to play them on their field next week.

The more expensive forward line options of Jack Bowes (74 SC), Tim Taranto (60 SC) and Huge McCluggage (52 SC) actually improved on their outputs from last week but it is still not enough to justify having them in your sides.

There was plenty of anticipation over how defence contenders Ben Long (28 SC), Jarrod Berry (29 SC) and Cedric Cox (37 SC) would fare, but so far their outputs haven’t exactly filled us with confidence.

James Parsons (68 SC), Tom Stewart (51 SC), Brandon Parfitt (52 SC) and Blake Hardwick (63 SC) were the rooks who played the Monday game, with Parsons and Hardwick on the bubble next week.

North trio Braydon Pruess (60 SC), Jy Simpkin (57 SC) and Kayne Turner (49 SC) were all run of the mill, as were Melbourne’s Mitch Hannan (53 SC) and Richmond’s Todd Elton (47 SC).

The Damned

There is no doubting Callum Mills (56 SC) is going to be a good player, but those who selected him in defence were banking on him to be a premo keeper, which is a big ask for a second-year player. Has started 2017 with scores of 78, 54, 83 and 56. Nowhere near good enough.

The same can be said for Kade Kolodjashnij (67 SC). His owners would have been hoping he could hit an average in the 90s after a poor last season, but so far the signs aren’t good. After four rounds, he’s averaging just 75.

Those who took a punt on Chad Wingard (58 SC) up forward would be somewhat disappointed at the moment. The Chad started off brightly enough with a ton in Round 1, but since then his scores have been on a downward spiral. At the moment he’s not looking like a keeper in our forward lines.

It’s the same old story for Matt Crouch (78 SC). He get shitloads of the pill, but his tendency to handball and poor efficiency lets him down. Had 31 touches on the weekend but 21 were handballs. It might be time to look elsewhere.

As much as we all love a good inspirational comeback, maybe Jarryd Roughead (53 SC) needs to be traded out. There were always going to be concerns about how he would cope with a year out of football and so far he hasn’t been able to adjust fully to the speed of the modern game. His team-mate Josh Gibson (55 SC) is finished as a SuperCoach player and also probably as an AFL footballer. Can’t see him going on next season.

Josh Caddy (69 SC) has appeared in this section two weeks in a row now and if you still have him, I’d be getting him the hell out of your side. He’s been the let down of the season so far for mine.

How did you go Supercoach Round 4?

Twitter: @CarlPfeiffer9

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Elliot

Yeo a good trade? Will he be top 6 forward??

SCDamien

Early signs suggest he might, but he doesn't get the nickname "Yeo-Yeo" for nothing. I'd keep him in mind as an upgrade target, see what his average is like towards round 8 when you'd probably be looking to trade out some Port Adelaide or Gold Coast rookies.

Danners

I'd agree with SCDamien, wait a couple of weeks. Might be a breakout year, might not. Had a similar run last year

Holmes_Heroes

the forward line is keeping me up at night. Higgins already burnt us, and I'm looking at former burnmen Yeo and Tex as best options to upgrade Roughie before he starts losing money… scary

KSinny

Yeh I'm tryna decide whether to go Yeo, Tex or Betts or just to keep roughy another week or two not sure

whatyasmokin

Roughy only has a 76 BE, won't bleed much, if anything.

There's more to lose trading in yeo than to gain, it will cost two trades if he fails.

If he's a winner sure you save about 100K and get some extra points, not worth it for mine. Make sure he's a sure thing before doing that.

Started with him? Happy days.

H8 treloar

Treloar can get the boot! So frustrating

PJH

yeh hes starting to bleed $$$$

Rick

Doesn't matter if premos bleed cash. They are just set and forget. The worry is when mid-pricers and rookies bleed, since they are the ones you use to trade.

SF4

No, you have to hold.

@t_woof

Your team must be flying if Treloar is your major concern. In my team, and sticking fat.

whatyasmokin

Yet I bet you have players like Hibberd etc on your bench.

oldmate65

Too many premos underperforming this week. Instead of getting those lovely, brown chocolate Easter eggs, from many we got something else of the brown variety.

Kyle

2192 has me ranked in the top 1000 this week…absolute shocker for most coaches

John

@Kyle No-one likes a gloater in a sh!t week!

Kyle

Wasnt really gloating mate, just shocked cause any other weak 2100s is a pretty par score yet this week has me in the top 1000, apoligies if it did come off as gloating

Daniel

Didn't sound like gloating to me FWIW.

whatyousmokin

Not at all. If the majority had a similar week and posted the same thing, suddenly wouldnt be gloating.

whatyasmokin

Nice work, must have a fair few out of the box picks.

b_sh3p

exact same score as me mate. topped my league and agreed… wouldn't be great other weeks just get lucky sometimes!

I had Rocky as captain thankfully and my opponent had Danger which made for an interesting game on Monday.

Tyruddanaut

I got under average and I jumped 23,000 spots

Mike

Thankyou Tom Lynch . Almost traded you out this week . Out SPP .In the Bont . Total S.C score 2113 was that on par this week? how did everyone else go

Kyle

I reckon par score is probably between 1950-2000 this week mate. 2100+ is a great score considering

John

Again Kyle….Me Me Meeeeeeee

whatyasmokin

Yeah 2070 was in the top 7%, so 2113 should be top 5%?

Gjlane123

2139 captained danger glad stuck it out with Lynch thinking will do the same with Trelor once team full premo will look at getting someone better if he still not performing by then same for Heath Shaw.

SCDamien

1968. Absolute shocker this week, rankings took a bashing but it's a long season.

Kroc

Its funny seeing so many coaches do average because majority pick the same players with the exception of a few different picks, and also majority who have Dangerfield put him as captain, because they're too scared to take a risk and put it on someone else. Everyone says "pick Bont, pick Treloar". I went Rockliff and Pendlebury because Pendles is a far more better player then Treloar and Rockliff will always be better scoring than Bont overall. I even went Ablett because i choose who i want and not what everyone else is choosing, great week of supercoach (-;

Trumpet

oh wow you are amazing, please tell us more of your marvellous achievements, we are not worthy

Kroc

I got in the top 2% this week, and had Rock as C when majority were took soft to take a risk and instead played safe with Dangerfield, in fact 1 of onky 6% with Rock, thank you (- :

Hooksjpg

Are you really comparing Rock to Danger?
People are going to go Danger everyday of the week, that's not risky its stupid lmao.

Kroc

I was simply pointing out that only 6% of teams have Rocky and that I took a risk with while the majority got a sub par score from Patricia. And thats why they'll never be true PODS.

Kyle

Rocky at his best is just as SC relevant as danger. Kinda why rocky averaged 130 a few seasons ago and so far, is showing that same form this year. I try C VC both rocky and danger each week depending who plays first. Definately not stupid.

INPieman

Your not getting ahead of yourself are you Kroc?

Kroc

Never mate,.

whatyasmokin

It is true, but yeah you chose Ablett so……………..

Kroc

Explain to me why his a bad pick. Looks to be ok to me, don't be a follower.

whatyasmokin

Oh mate, superb pick. Averaging 99 and has dropped 50K+.

I'm not a follower, that's why I picked Witts, and players like Oliver for 380K who are averaging more than Ablett.

So what's your scores for other weeks if you know how it's done?

Kroc

What did he start at ? 620k. With his injury filled season last year, did you think he would average 120plus at the start of this year? No, but i think a 99 avg is good for a player who has the potential to score big, now lets look at one of the golden boys that is worshipped on here. Treloar, coming off a stellar season last year, picked by 24% of teams, oh, 96 avg with a 43k drop off and soon to be more. Witts is averaging 93 mate, awkward. Oliver is averaging 115 which is a great effort but guess what? His also averaging more than Treloar as well, nice you mentioned Ablett, but not Treloar. My scores have all been over 2100, is it lighting it up, no, but i dont go all out trading early because I want to fet to full premium without letting my rookies cash up to their peak, i wait it out, it works in the long run.

whatyasmokin

So people made a mistake on Treloar, you made a mistake with Ablett. Not sure why you are parading around like god's gift to SC.

Ablett is a reasonable possibility of being good this year, as is Treloar as he had a cracker last year, and is young and fit.

There are reasons for both picks, and there's reasons not too. Ablett was barely doing contact training before round one.

Will I pick him up after the byes? Possibly, but doubtful as he more than likely won't be a top 10-15 mid.

Kroc

Except i didnt. I knew Gaz wouldn't score 120 plus at the start, but you wait until he gets more games in, everyone will jump on his band wagon, just like they did with Rockliff last year. Treloar wad hyped as the next big thing, even over Pendlebury, who may i add, is not only a better player, but is averaging 121, thats what? 25 more points?

Thats my point, Ablett was labelled a SC God or the first official one, now because of injuries, no one picks him and because Jock didnt, people listen to him, he has Treloar fyi, Treloar is a good player but his not as good as Ablett.

True, but what if you picked him, and as the season goes on, he gets better and better? We pick premiums but doesn't mean they will dominate, look how many have been flat so far. Like you said, Oliver 300k avg 115 where Treloar is only avg 96 and you paid 250k more for treloar at the start.

I guess time will tell when the byes are over.

Joshua

I started Pendles over Treloar but it's simply a matter of backing your choices. You see Ablett as a probable success like others see Treloar as the same. And with Witts I think it's a bit harsh to compare averages with premium mids to a rookie ruckman.

whatyasmokin

Darcy is absolutely right though if kroc 'KNEW' (lol) that Ablett would come into form……….

Then get him in after his round 9 early bye seems so logical………but only others make mistakes according to Kroc.

Darcy

I hate to say this but this is what everyone is thinking (notice how no-one is backing you up?) your ideas are flawed and no-one especially after a week like this likes people who showboat as you have done. Many of your theories are stupid so let us go through them.

'I knew Gaz wouldn't score 120 plus at the start' Why start with him then, we can't start with a fall premo midfield why not wait for his price to dip, get match fitness and start scoring big again post byes. No benefit in starting with him if he starts badly. Infact your at a disadvantage as you won't be able to capatalise on this opportunity you predicted would happen. It's dumb.

'now because of injuries, no one picks him' There's a reason for that. If he gets injured he doesn't score. In the past 4 seasons he hasn't played more then 15 games. Not sure about you I would much prefer someone who will play 22 games saving trades.

'Treloar wad hyped as the next big thing' With good reason. He is durable past four seasons has played 20 games plus. Averaged 106+ past 4 seasons and was showing signs late last year of ripping up the competition. Even now despite his poor start I would want tremor in my team not Ablett. Both are proven scorers averaging similar, but, tremor is more likely to play 20+ games.

'i think a 99 avg is good for a player who has the potential to score big' This is pretty silly. Why would you want someone with the potential to go big averaging poorly over someone who will average more with the same potential even less potential!

'it works in the long run.' From what you have said

I even went Ablett because i choose who i want and not what everyone else is choosing'
If you base your decision on what other people are choosing as I have said before it's stupid.

whatyasmokin

He probably has Titch too, doesn't mean everyone here does.

You've lost more on Ablett than people have on Treloar…………..

So you should've got Oliver, Murphy, Bont, around 20+ players over Ablett.

Do you see people telling others that getting Ablett was a stupid choice?

Big deal you got a lucky captain's score. You're the kind of person that comes in here ranting that if you don't get Waite you're an idiot and then you'll vanish from these discussions when your ship sinks.

Bravis Toak

"more better"?

just "better" will do.

Kroc

More better than Treloar.

PJH

what a crock

whatyasmokin

Oh and people picked danger as captain because he got a 138, a 140 and then another 138. fairly educated guess that he is in good form. If he hadn't of got hurt this week probably would've done a 120+

Kroc

Point is, majority were going to pick him, so why not try a risk and put it on a different player who could score big. High risk = high reward.
I.e Dangerfield scored 90 = 180
Rockliff scored 178 = 356
See the profit?
Dangerfield wont score 20 plus every week.

@t_woof

Congrats on the Rockliff captaincy choice Kroc.

Though potting those that chose Dangerfield as their captain is a little rich. Dangerfield's last four scores against Hawthorn were 162, 106, 159 & 173 (average of 150). Hawthorn were also belted by 80 odd points last week. It was a more than validated captaincy choice. I chose him, the 2 x 90 doesn't bother me. It was a well educated choice at the time. All you can do is make the choice with the information at hand. It will never come off 100% of the time. All the best moving forward.

Kroc

That's my point though, Dangerfield wont score big every match, And my opinion is that people slap the C on him because its the safe thing to do, i mean alot of teams had Eddy, and couldve had the VC on Dahl or Fyfe or Bont, What did Bont score 115 or something? Dahl scored 145 so that was a good score to loop. I had the C on Rocky because I picked him way back when no one spoke about him and he always got me out of sticky situations and only 6% of teams, if he goes big, then it puts you in a powerful position. Now Dangerfield will have great games, but if he has a off game to his standards, then most teams will suffer.

@t_woof

Of course he won't, but past results did suggest a good showing. Regardless whether 'everyone' was going with him or not, was a logical choice. Yes it was a safe option to (C) him this weekend, but also had the data to back that up.

If you VC'd Dahlhaus then very well done. I looked at him, but previous scores v North were quite ordinary so i chose Fyfe (107).

Yes Rockliff has been a very good POD thus far. Have had him in previous seasons, but burnt me hard. Will be an upgrade option if he can keep his body sound.

Yes you'll have an edge over a good percentage of the competition if Dangerfield has an off week, like yesterday. Especially if the numbers suggest he's a good choice. Does make the VC choice even more important.

Kroc

Regardless of his avg against hawks, people will still go him every week because its the safe option, but if he is sub par, then majority of teams will suffer.

I tend not to look at the past because i have picked many players as VCs who did well against certain teams, and spud it up, i look at my players and know who can score big or not, high risk yes, but high reward if it works, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

I understand that, its hard to trust players who burned you, i had that with Williams last year, thought he'd be a good pod but he dried out.

True, and if he scores big, im willing to accept that.i do put VC and C on him but not every week, depending on how i am going, if im on a high, ill take the risk, if it works, you climb up the rankings better.

Darcy

You keep on referring to Danger as the 'safe option'. I would like to remind you of a quote from our man Peter J Higgobothem 'Sometimes, having no POD is the best POD of all' This instance it's true, he is less likely for injury, has the same ceiling and more consistent. What u don't realise that for every win u have with Rocky u have many loses, which, out way the wins. Your logic is 'i look at my players and know who can score big or not, high risk yes, but high reward'. Just looking at players, is a pretty poor effort at this point it is complete guess work, your not putting odds in your favour. It's high risk with little reward. Having a POD for the sake of a POD is stupid, you go with the best player and you will win over the long run.

whatyasmokin

But you can claim the big win here and there, and just vanish on the losses…………….

whatyasmokin

That's what your vice is for. You risk it, then you put on your most reliable captain. Not rocket science and it's how you maintain the best scoring, can't get lucky all season.

@t_woof

Agree. I passed on Fyfe 107, as would most.

Darcy

'Dangerfield wont score 20 plus every week.' Your correct, but he is more likely too then Rockliff in these circumstances.

Supercoach is a game of chances and twisting the odds in your favour. The best chances this week was to go with Danger not Rocky. Based on previous games vs hawks and form, danger was certainly the better choice leading into the round. There are always exceptions to the rule e.g this week, however, if we extrapolated the data from previous years you would find that the better choice would be Danger. This makes me completely fine with Danger having an off day as by seasons end I will have ended up with more points choosing danger then rocky if this circumstance presented itself again.

Best of luck.

Randomcliche2

Damn straight, I took 125 on a VC last week and missed Danger, this week pass on 107 and get 90. I was confident last week that Gawn would limit Danger, only he got injured. This week I was confident Danger could do the job, only he got injured. Doesn't make any of those choices wrong ex ante. Only ex post, so go on and tell me how good your choices are, no wait, I'll do it for you because you'd like that (Krok not Darcy) you chose a corner case and it came off – well done lucky son of a biatch. That's it!

Kroc

IMO Rocky has a bigger ceiling, but Dangerfield would be a safer option, yes i know Dangerfield scored over 200 like Rockliff did, but Rocky has more potential to score around 160-180 So i like picking him.

undypuncher

Do you think we got s kindergarden education or something your a flog kroc. I pick danger as captain because if he has a bad one most of my opponents have him to so i back my pods in to do the rest but according to you we dont have pods and were all stupid so im done with supercoach cos i think krocs got this yr sown up because he picked rocky as captain this week … ship off

Kyle

Gone a bit far here mate. So far this year ablett has looked like a shit pick so idk what your tryna say about that.

Talking shit about treloar..? Some went pendles over him, a lot went treloar. He was looking the goods last year and in the pre season. He is getting a ton of the ball but just cant hit a target. Atm does pendles look like the better pick? Sure. Could that change over the year? Absolutely.

Ease up about danger and rocky aswell. Both are strong c/vc options and idk why anyone is trying to dispute that for either player. Danger has the strong history to back up a captaincy choice. Rocky has strong form leading into the game and has been a ultra premium for a long time. Rocky has burned a lot in the past and danger is the safer option sure. I went with danger as C instead of rocky and still made a huge score this week. Danger will go big a lot more often than he wont so ifk what your ranting on about.

Throwing insults at players for their choices is pretty low mate. Atm ablett looks like a failed choice but no one was throwing that in your face till you started doing the same to them. And if you knew he would start slow why start him…common sense to wait till byes i would have thought.

In all seriousness tho, i am curious as to what you are ranked overall kroc? And lay off the fighting and throwing shit in peoples faces after 1 bad week cause all it does is make you look like a total asshole.

whatyasmokin

Spot on, it was Kroc's approach to the discussion that was pathetic, could've got his points across in a sensible way, and without embarrassing themselves.

TyS

Thoughts on Yeo? He looks bloody promising and was thinking of upgrading either O'Meara or Roughy potentially

Joshua

Upgrade Roughy.

Neverweaken

2112 so hopefully will jump up a bit. Will keep Treloar. He gets the pill and will get more efficient.

Kyle

If shaw misses a week i would be moving him on before the rest. Underperforming, bleeding cash and missing games is a recepie for disaster. Howe is looking the goods and a nice POD.

Id be looking at upgrading crouch aswell to an ultra premo if you have the cash.

Those rookies can still make some cash if you are happy to leave them alone. And JOM i think could come good aswell.

Joshua

upgrade or downgrade Shaw?

Daniel

Up if you can. You brought him in as a premo.

KiwiSaint

2224 not to bad expected danger to do more thank roughy for smashing him early bastard. lynch, howe, dahl and rocky helped alot

Tommo09

Nice score
I only got 2076

He Man

Tom McDonald to Yeo or too side-ways?

chef

Yet again, Shaw and Simpson putting in the rounds for me. Only 1 of my uniques in all my leagues managed to get past his projected. Absolute shocker at 1968 points.

Krups

Not point getting the pill heaps if the efficiency is poor. Treloar and Mitchell for mine is killing me and need to go. Players like Bont don't get much but the efficiency is way better. Rance is another poor option to start with.

@t_woof

Mitchell scored 116, 118 and 103 the first three weeks. One sub 100 score (85) and he's killing you? Tough coach Krups lol.

Daniel

I've got Titch and I thought that was harsh.

Westy

2111. I'm ok with that in light of some of the comments so far.

INPieman

Not sure what the fuss is about Treloar. He was one of the saints best players. Didn't miss any of them by foot

Beezneez

LOL

BrownlowBoy

What rookies are people moving on for Balic? Pickett?

Pete

Eddy didn't play this week so he's gone for Balic. Already dumped Pickett because his scoring is awful.

@t_woof

Early thoughts, perhaps Barrett if doesn't get a recall. But drawn out Friday-Tuesday round will likely make things tricky. Also contemplating pulling the early trigger on SPP, but need to see BE's first.

whatyasmokin

SPP has a BE of 41, I'd hold Barrett Brissy gonna cull/rest someone.

whatyasmokin

Barrett BE -23.

@t_woof

Thanks whayasmokin!

Could well be SPP that gets the chop then.

Kyle

Is balic really a must have? I dont think so personally. Scored a 30 and a 70. I would leave the cows to fatten up unless pickett or another slow burner rookie is dropped. Thats the only reason i would think aboutctrading in balic

whatyasmokin

I'm not convinced with Balic either, one game 8 touches, next one 15 touches, below average numbers.

Kev

I'll pass on him. Not an absolute must have. Trading him for Eddy will get you 18k. Barrett – 47k. Not worth it imo

Big G

I can see Balic playing a lot of games this year though. Who cares what he scores – he is a cash cow.

whatyasmokin

Bit of a contradiction. It does matter what he scores, he ain't no cash cow if he gets 40's every week.

Daniel Z

*cough* Florent *cough*

SF4

Too early to trade out Taranto, thinking of offloading both taranto and Hampton this week, is it to soon?

SF4

Worded that incorrectly.
Is it too early to Trade out Taranto?
Currently have
Taranto>Balic
Hampton>Docherty

Captain Risky

Breakevens

Hampton 6
Marchbank 46
Taranto 38
Powell Pepper 41
Omeara 58

Taranto Yes, but I'd hold Hampton for another week or 2, still making a bit of cash.

SF4

Thanks mate. Yeah I might hold onto Hampton for another week and hope he gets another 70+
Taranto is probably gonna make a move for Balic this week.

Keithy

Footywire has Tranto's break even at 10? If it's 10 you have to hold. Even at 38 I would hold. I also have Taranto BTW, but I am trading JOM to Balic at this stage.

whatyasmokin

Has footy wire updated them since round 3?

whatyasmokin

SPP is cooked.

Captain Risky

SPP Home game against Carlton this week, I'm tipping he'll get to 41, but he's nearly buggered.

Taranto is up against Sydney. Haven't won a game i know, but a better side than Carlton..

Steeeve

Only needs a 70 and he's making bank again

SF4

I can go Hampton>Lloyd. But as said he still has a low breakeven and has at least 1 or maybe 2 price rises left in him.

Sam_01

Was keen on cripps given his early run, haven't been happy with him so far, seems like murph is mopping up to much of the little pill that Carlton actually get, should probably just hold Cripps but it's annoying when a premo isnt quite preforming

Joshua

In for another price drop with a break even if 136, could be looking at him in a couple of weeks as a cheap proven premium back on the rise if he turns his form around. Word is that he is sore as well I believe.

Steeeve

I'm planning to jump on board for sure. Cripps was close to a must have in the home stretch of last season

CJudd3Votes

Was at the game Saturday night Cripps isn't right, he's still a beast at the contest but can't get out of first right now wouldn't be surprise d to see him get a week off in the next couple

Joshua

Yeah I was too, Bolton said he 'should' play against the power so there is definitely an underlying problem.

gator59

Wow I won 9 out of ten leagues with a crap 2046 points… Crazy

INPieman

Not surprised. Seen many good coaches slip under 2k. Just a shit week really

gator59

Moustachio is flying in Triggs Happy Place A very solid 2218

babo

a score of 2000 would be around the top 20% for this round thus likely to result in a win.

Jim

Trade in Williamson or Balic?

KiwiSaint

balic

SF4

Balic

Mitch

Higgins with a be of 130, trade or hold?

whatyasmokin

If you started with him could trade, if not hold.

SF4

Got to hold, 2 weeks ago people were considering him a top 6 fwd.

hedski

Burn baby burn

Youngy

Great write up Carlos, Look forward to this article every week

The BONT

Trealoar and Barret
OUT FOR
Bontempelli and Fisher

GOOD or BAD trade

JamiesNinjas13

BAD, be patient and save that trade for injuries (yes there will be injuries during the season, it's surprising I know)

whatyasmokin

The kid's not even 19, played one game.

Swans2012

Hold treloar, will come good and wait and see with fisher this week, not on bubble till next week I believe

SF4

Hold Treloar, should still average well from here.
Fisher has only played 1 game, wait a week until he is on the bubble.

Finnius123

If you want to trade Barrett then I reckon bring in Balic

Joshua

Barrett should get named considering the players that came in didn't have good games,I was really surprised when he got dropped after a fairly good game.

whatyasmokin

Yep holding him. he fired in the seconds too with 30 touches and two goals. has plenty of cash left to make.

@t_woof

Hold Treloar.

Can bounce back. Scored 115 v The Sash on Anzac Day last year.

Joshua

Will Dusty redeem himself on Monday? I sure hope so

Joshua

Is
SPP out for Fisher
Taranto out for Hanners
absolutely crazy?

whatyasmokin

I'm not convinced by Hannebery at the moment. Has a BE of 109 let him play another.

Finnius123

Probably a couple of weeks too early to be upgrading – especially SPP. I reckon both he and Taranto can get up to the 270k mark if you give them another couple of weeks.

whatyasmokin

Kind of, although SPP has BE of 41, those two low scores are killing him. Probably go up another 20-30K the next two weeks. Has to be traded out before round 9 bye anyway. Will moving him be more productive? Depends on your team.

SF4

Agree, Even if Hanners gets 110-120 he wont go up much.

@t_woof

I'd wait another week on Fisher. Did some really nice things, but best to get two weeks of scores before trading in the rookies.

Balic could be your option instead…

Joshua

Yeah I went to Balic straight away but unfortunately I fall short by a few thousand

@t_woof

Bugger! Nothing worse than a few K short.

Perhaps wait another week on Hannebery. Surely his BE is 120 plus.

whatyasmokin

Hanners 109 BE, not a bad time to lock him in.

@t_woof

Didn't expect that. Thanks again whatyasmokin.

SC Gold trial ran out, really need to pay subs lol.

whatyasmokin

Footy wire 😉

@t_woof

Champ! *heads over there now.

Joshua

Yeah been using that website ever since I started. Very handy.

Tommo09

My team at the moment
Not sure what to do this week
Maybe Balic in, Rough out or O'Meara out

Def: Laird, Simpson, Tuohy, Otten, Hampton, Newman (Stewart, Hibberd)
Mid: Danger, Selwood, Bont, Fyfe, Kennedy, TMitch, O'Meara, SPP (Parfitt, Barrett, Pickett)
Ruc: Nank, Sandi (Strnadica)
Fwd: Lynch, Kennedy, Steele, Rough, Butler, Houston (Eddy, Hannan)

Thoughts community?
Have had a shocking year to date and looking to climb up to rankings
Thanks in advance

whatyasmokin

If you weren't keeping JOM this week why not dump him last? Got a 44, then sat on your bench and gave a donut for 300K+. Hold.

Had a shocking year……Time to take a big risk?

Dump Roughy. Move Nank Forward. Trade in Spencer.

Ditch Pickett for Balic. Good luck mate.

Finnius123

Dump Roughy and bring in balic. Then try and upgrade Hannan/Hampton/Barrett if you have the cash. Maybe try and get in Hanners if you can afford it.

Tommo09

Am thinking of going Eddy to Williamson and holding Roughy for one more week

SF4

Look to get Taylor Adams in.
JOM>Balic, frees up some cash so then you can go rookie defender to Adams, Doc or Lloyd.

IntheNickofTime

Looking to not rage trade but certainly need to plug up this sinking ship, I've got a lot of players, rookies and premos – like most people, that either need to stay or go and I'm not sure what to do. I'm thinking of cutting my loses and grabbing some cash off dying rookies before they go bad. I'll post my team below, I'd love to hear of who realistically should get the chop or who I should stay with in the long run. I'm happy to stick with the choices I've made pre-season in the hope that they'll stablise – but I'm thinking a couple of changes will need to be made in the next few weeks e.g. Simpson, Mitchell, Treloar. Would love to know in which order these rookies need to go, some seem obvious but I'm trying to get as much blood out of these stones that I can e.g. Pickett, Taranto.

Laird Lloyd Otten
Simpson Marchbank Hampton
Newman Stewart

Danger Fyfe
JJk Mitchell Priddis
Treloar SPP Swallow
Taranto Barrett Pickett

Grundy Sandi Strndica

Dahl Nank Franklin
WHE Butler Houston
Parfitt Eddy

Thanks in advance team!

whatyasmokin

Well you could trade Marchbank out if you think he's cooked, I've gone a little early on him myself but I started with him and don't really care.

Personally I'd get rid of Pickett and Taranto though if their BE's are high.

Finnius123

I would hold everyone for at least another week. No one is done fully making cash and if you just wait one more week then you are gonna be much more able to upgrade to a premo

@t_woof

I'd be keeping Simpson, Mitchell and Treloar. Saw someone else mention Mitchell. Averaged 112.3 the first three weeks, now one sub 100 score of 85 and he's a concern. Doesn't make sense to me. I don't own him, but would be sticking fat if i did. Treloar i do own, have to stick with him. Scored 115 v The Sash last year on Anzac Day, can bounce back. He's not injured, he's getting plenty of the football. Ride it out.

I see you have Jake Lloyd, nice selection. I also have him. It's been bloody handy also having Mitchell Hibberd to swing Lloyd Back and Mid. Perhaps if Berry (BRIS) is selected this weekend, you can trade one of those mid bench players to him. This will then allow you to swing Lloyd to the midfield, and start Newman on the ground down back. Allows you to bench SPP, who appears to have dropped off the past fortnight. DEF/MID DPP has allowed some good flexibility with the rookies. Some food for thought.

SCaddict

Simmo is certainly a significant concern given that he has been handed a sh1t sandwich with an unfavourable role change with the introduction of Marchbank this season.

So if you have the cash to get him to either a Doc or Adams then I'd probably at least entertain the idea whilst he is still worth something. That said holding him and hoping for a reversal of fortune is certainly a valid play too if you would prefer to keep the faith.

The BONT

Addicts Anonymous or SCAddicts
I am winning in your leauge and it is coming 247th overall out of 25,619

SCaddict

Yeah The Magnificent 7 league is tracking nicely and your score this week certainly contributed to bumping us up the rankings. It also helps heaps when you have Ryan coaching Hall of Fame in our league who is individually ranked 72nd overall.

Keep up the great work mate!

Beezneez

Ryan beat me by 60 last week (3rd highest score in the league) but this week I beat his score by 12 (2nd highest score). However, I am about 900 behind him overall so he must have had a good first week. Have been on track for scores of >2300 – 2400 each week but my last few players have dropped the ball badly. Anyhow, good to be involved in what appears a very strong league and, hopefully, we can continue to move through the rankings.

whatyasmokin

Time to start kicking butt.

I go bang bang.

SPP>Sloane
Marchbank>Laird.

Adams, Doch, Laird, Loyd, Otten, Newman – McGrath/Hampton

Rocky, Sloane, Danger, Oliver, Fyfe, Beams, Treloar, GHS – SPS/Fox/Barrett

Witts, Sandi – D.Cameron

Dahl, Nank, Steele, WHE, Butler, Houston – Parfitt/Eddy

SF4

Cracker of a backline

whatyasmokin

Cheers yeah really happy I started with Adams, Doch and Loyd as premiums.

Finnius123

Wait so are you upgrading or downgrading?

whatyasmokin

Double upgrade have a huge bank. March and SPP out.

Finnius123

That is huge. You are killing it at the moment. What is your rank? Would maybe try and get rid of GHS personally instead of SPP

whatyasmokin

My rank is poor (but good considering value on field). Went in with over a million in bank. Going for league wins. Have 318K even after the two trades.

Rank: 21779 (top 11%)

R1 1,968 (100K)
R2 2,282 (48K
R3 2,231 (31K)
R4 2,073 (21,779 – Top 11%)

Team value is 11,450,100 after the trades, tracking well so far. Traded hard 23 left.

whatyasmokin

Was thinking that but I've held him for two weeks now. When he comes back he has a solid role in that midfield, he's been in the system a while and should be more reliable than SPP and a slow burn to 400K or so.

Finnius123

Fair enough. If you have held him for so long then you might as well continue now hey. I reckon with those upgrades you will slowly climb up the rankings – probs finish in the top 2 or 3% nice effort!

whatyasmokin

Whoa doubt it, maybe top 5-7%. Will get harder and harder to move up now.

Randomcliche2

Nah, I went 40k ish to top 1k one year after about this stage. Yes, did the last 6 rounds on 24 premo's no trades. Go hard and good luck.

@t_woof

"Bang, Bang" Crouching will be proud of you!

whatyasmokin

I reckon he'd like my picks too!

PJH

history says 1 underperforming premo will skyrocket now & 1 over achieving midpricer will crash back to earth , maybe treloar & murphy

whatyasmokin

Would not surprise me.

Finnius123

I hope so

The BONT

Who gets upgraded first
Treloar or Mitchell

whatyasmokin

Neither.

Swans2012

Agreed

SF4

Both should be keepers, Assuming you mean Tom Mitchell.

Iamme

Yeah hold both as they are getting heaps of the ball and they will both get better…. last season they both had several 150+ games as I recall.

@t_woof

Another one wanting to trade out Tom Mitchell.

Averaged 112.3 first three weeks. A week is a long time…some tough coaches around.

Michael

Real villian is Barrett. Getting dropped meant i changeed my vc from Dahlhaus to Fyfe

Swans2012

After a crap week @ 1980 and With 300k of gawns cash sitting in the bank I have options, but it just feels a little early on anyone I'd consider upgrading or upgrading to this week. Need another look at hanners before bringing in, Simmo and shaw (not to mention his shaw leg) still bleeding cash, and all the midpricers get another chance (Higgins/swallow/jaeger). I think I'm going to try to hold, oh and anyone talking of trading treloar is talking crazy talk as far as I'm concerned….

whatyasmokin

Agreed. probably would've gone bang on JOM last week with that cash but hey.

Swans2012

couldnt only came from the Gawn trade and needed to bring in newman

whatyasmokin

I guess if jaeger or Swallow aren't named you might have to move one of them for an ultra premo like Rocky, Pendle, Sloane, Bont, Fyfe?

Joshua

I did that last week to Dusty, Martin didn't score well so hopefully that trade works out for me in the end

whatyasmokin

Dusty will be fine.

Swans2012

Yep, same page tgere

Randomcliche2

Yep, tricky round especially with the long rolling lock out……hmmmm……I'm thinking Roo is scoring well, going to be top 6….even if knee is not 100%……hmmmm …..flick ya team print screen across.

Charles

Thoughts on Brandon matera??

Finnius123

He has had one good week. On that premise people would be trading Christian Salem. Give him a couple more weeks at least. If he can keep it up then look at him as an upgrade target.

Joshua

Got 98 last week

Finnius123

I didn't realise. Still I would hold off and give him a couple more weeks. You don't want to be trading to burnmen at this point in the comp.

Joshua

Yeah I agree with you just pointing that out. His two scores were in comfortable wins for the suns, those won't come very often.

Northerner

But got that 98 with six goals – they were mostly cheap goals as well. Other than that he hardly touched it. I was there.

I do think he has improved his tank markedly and he is a confidence player, just like Phil was. I think he will make some cash and could be a useful F6 for many weeks. I went rookie to Swallow last week and if I hadn't I might consider say Eddy to him this week. That would be the only scenario where I think he's relevant. The chances of him being a full season keeper are so slim to be irrelevant.

whatyasmokin

Do like him as a player but not in my SC team.

Wedge

B/E minus 68
Massive score will be rolling in his next two games. Should make $100,000 in two weeks and then easy trade to any player if you trade again. Could probably make it to rnd 9 when gold coast have the bye.

Blaknight

Seriously considering him this week as he's on the bubble just for some cash generation then drop him for his bye in Rnd 9. Would be a Sideways trade for either TT or JOM. Expected to climb $64.2K next round and with a BE of -63 would quite possibly see that again, but has Adelaide at home..

Im sitting on 27 trades left.

whatyasmokin

I'd want him to be 550K by round 9 if trading him, ain't gonna happen.

FEARTHEBEARD

If he had anyone but Crows in Adelaide you would have to think about it. He scores well so far and has got to make some good cash, better then Balic and co. That said can he keep it up? I'm toying with it too even just to ride for 3-4 weeks and try and make quick 150k-200k and upgrade to premo straight up.

Beezneez

Playing Crows at Metricom.

Finnius123

He won't make that much. If he spuds it with a 40 odd then he is cooked like nobodies business. Much less risk in picking Balic – cheap so even if he doesn't make cash you still have the cash in the bank.

Moustachio

Definitely thinking about it, can ride the 100k+ and flick Roughy.

Swans2012

I'm normally against even considering this awkward price range but it is tempting, looking at his heat maps from the last two games he seems to be roaming the ground, not just hanging out in a pocket, maybe been given license to move about a bit? And is going to make some serious coin next couple, it's most likely a no for me but the temptation is there…..

jimmy_raiders

Don't get him because no one else will

Ross

Best premo midfielders to put in currently (besides Bont,danger,Murphy,Martin)
Please give me your thoughts, cheers.

Joshua

Sloane and Rockliff

KSinny

Pendles and selwood

whatyasmokin

All of the above 4.

whatyasmokin

Oh and Fyfe chugging along nicely…..under the radar. One big score and bang! People will trade in like crazy.

Joshua

I think not a lot of people are talking about him because he was sort of a given to start in most teams unlike the other 4.

whatyasmokin

Yep, I just checked team ownership, didn't know it was so high.

Ross

thanks

whatyasmokin

Also Zac Merrett, possibly Neale.

whatyasmokin

JPK*

Hanners could bounce back and is cheap.

Jack

Shaw now under 500k with b/e of 124. Would u still go early on Marchbank to Shaw even though he has a b/e of 46?

Joshua

I'm seriously considering Shaw to Newman depending on team selections and then Taranto to a premium MID.

Finnius123

Wait one more week. Shaw will do well to get that BE and Marchbank will still be climbing $$$

Joshua

What about Newman? Or is it too late?

whatyasmokin

Bit risky, has a nice -63 BE, will it be worth the two trades? Hope he can get to 450K+

He already went up 82K, that's around half a trade if you wanna put a value on it.

If you started with Otten and Newman in your back line you've done extremely well.

Joshua

Yeah started Otten, doing very nicely since his role change covering Jenkins. Had the option of either Smith (injured rookie) to Newman or O meara to Martin last week and guess which one I went with! Got sucked in.

John James

Yes we did,I did both trades so ended up ahead,but I should have waited on Dusty,I also got rid of Shaw two weeks back,before he started going down,traded him out for Adams who should be more stable.

Joshua

Adams is looking the goods, hopefully he avoids injury which was the only reason I didn't pick him but might have to reconsider my thinking with Shaw stinking up my backline and possibly carrying an injury himself

Hawks

No wait at least 1 more week on that trade.

Shaw not likely to score 124, Marchbank likely to get at least 48

whatyasmokin

Sydney vs GWS at SCG this week. Watch Shaw go big.

Joshua

If he plays.

whatyasmokin

True.

@t_woof

Very tempting Jack.

Not sure of the severity of Shaw's injury, but does score well against Sydney.

2016: 118, 129
2015: 164, 109

Joshua

Could that be due to Sydney being a really good team in previous years? Or am I underestimating Sydney this year?

@t_woof

Possibly. I'm not too sure.

I think Sydney will be fine. Being a Hawks supporter, i'm definitely not writing off any team.

whatyasmokin

I think they will come good, going to be a hard fought match at the SCG this week that's for sure.

SCaddict

Think we need to see Shaw either post a monster score i.e. 130 plus or at least back to back tons before I'd jump on. Could leak another $50K yet and with cash generation from our rookies so tight this season we need to extract maximum value from our upgrades.

KSinny

Alright Community I have both roughy and Watson, do I trade roughy to a risk like tex or yeo or maybe betts or use my $196k and upgrade Watson to a premo like pendles, Kennedy or Rockliff?

whatyasmokin

I'd cut my losses on Watson, an uber premo will bring in big points. Could paint the fence with Roughy to Balic if you really wanted.

Tex, Betts will be up and down, Crows are in great form, have to call them the most consistent team at the moment, real flag chance.

Is Yeo going to Yo Yo? I've taken enough risks this year and will grab him later and pay according if he holds up, not worth risking the trade even if he ends up a top FWD might have to pay 550K at most I reckon after byes.

Joshua

93, 100, 97, 44-Watson
73, 82, 99, 53-Roughead

I think Roughead is the bigger problem but you could be trading in another issue so it's risky but I I was you I'd go Roughead-Yeo

whatyasmokin

Sideways though, Two trades if he stinks it up later.

Watson only got 16 touches on the weekend, looked slow. 3 Clangers from his 10 handballs and 6 kicks. Only 2 tackles….

32 years old, points been declining for years. Kids are flying past him now, was great, but Merret, Heppell and Zaha going to get all the touches these days.

Hasn't played a full season since 2012. Hasn't averaged over 100 since 2014.

He'll dig a few out of course and then handball them off. Will bounce back against the pies a bit, maybe.

Then watch him tired on the expanse of Domain stadium a week later, then Geelong at MCG. Then WCE at Etihad.

BE of 123 this week because of the 44 watch Watson bleed cash.

Joshua

yeah you make a really good point

whatyasmokin

I reckon Roughy will make his BE at least, but damn it doesn't seem right keeping a Hawks forward either. Great teams bounce back though.