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SuperCoach RD2: The Heroes, The Villains, The Damned.

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The Supercoach heroes, the villains and the DAMNED of 2018

Ying yang. It was that type of round, Community.

While there were some very admirable performances, plenty of our premos simply shat their pants when we needed them to stand up and be counted. It was enough to drive any decent coach to drink.

I was on the receiving end of several poor returns from my on field players, finishing with an ordinary 2146 and plummeting me out of the top 1000. But it is important that we stick to our plans and don’t panic.

The Heroes

Robbie Gray was the star of the round with a whopping 161 SC in Port’s big win while team-mate Ollie Wines (144 SC) also feasted out on a poor Freo midfield.

Rory Sloane (146 SC) and Luke Shuey (138 SC) are proving to be excellent points of difference in our premium midfields, while Marcus Bontempelli (140 SC) and Patrick Dangerfield (140 SC) are presenting as reliable captaincy options as expected.

Melbourne pair Clayton Oliver (139 SC) and Christian Salem (134 SC) look like tantalising prospects if they can keep this sort of form up.

Brodie Grundy (135 SC), Toby Nankervis (124 SC) and Stef Martin (126 SC) continue to be revelations in our ruck divisions, while Trent Cotchin (135 SC) seems to be benefiting from the inclusions of Caddy and Prestia and the extra attention on Dustin Martin (118 SC).

Jack Gunston (131 SC) gathered 22 touches and 8 tackles playing further up the ground than usual, while Lachie Neale (131 SC), Shaun Higgins (130 SC), Marc Murphy (130 SC), Joel Selwood (128 SC) and Sam Docherty (124 SC) provided their owners with good returns.

Giants trio Tobias Green (138 SC), Dylan Shiel (132 SC) and Josh Kelly (120 SC) helped put Gold Coast to the sword, with Greene finishing with 5 goals in an outstanding exhibition.

Pendles (120 SC) did what Pendles does in another effortless display, while Dayne Beams (120 SC) was everywhere for the Lions and almost helped them get over the line against the Bombers.

The Villains

Popular premo selections Tom Lynch (43 SC), Kade Simpson (57 SC) and Heath Shaw (55 SC) top this list with horrendous returns from their matches.

As a key forward, Lynch is always going to struggle to score when he’s held goalless. Not sure what Heater’s excuse was as he had only 15 touches despite the Giants’ big win. Maybe the ball didn’t get down there enough. The usually ultra-consistent Simmo’s below par score was surprising to say the least.

Gary Ablett (73 SC) looks a shadow of his former invincible self and those who took a punt on him are yet to reap the rewards. But at least he hasn’t got injured yet, right?

Rory Laird (76 SC) went from hero to zero and was lucky to crack the 70s in the end, while disposal efficiency and a tendency to handball let down team-mate Matt Crouch (76 SC) despite gathering 28 possessions.

Dan Hannebery’s (71 SC) decision to get off the piss in the off season is looking worse and worse by the week. I’m sure his owners would be suggesting he get back on the cans if he is going to dish up this sort of rubbish each week.

Swans defenders Zak Jones (55 SC) and Callum Mills (55 SC) had off nights in Sydney’s loss to the Dogs, while Matthew Boyd’s (55 SC) 21 touches came at only 66% efficiency.

Forward line options Jake Steele (67 SC) and Jack Billings (68 SC) had off nights against the Eagles as the Saints crashed and burned after a strong start.

Others to stink it up included Jack Viney (64 SC), Aaron Sandilands (72 SC) and Patrick Ryder (76SC).

The Prodigies

Will Hoskin-Elliott (120 SC) and Andy Otten (108 SC) were the two standout options from the young guns with both cracking nice tons. The hyphened one was brilliant for Collingwood despite their disappointing loss, slotting 3 goals and clunking 12 marks.

Power trio Sam Powell-Pepper (91 SC), Dan Houston (82 SC) and Brett Eddy (77 SC) all excelled but keep in mind they can’t play Freo every week.

Tim Taranto (75 SC) redeemed himself after a poor first outing while Nic Newman (73 SC DEF) and Will Hayward (82 SC MID/FWD) both enjoyed excellent debuts for Sydney and should be good rookie options if they can keep their places in the Swans side.

Popular selections Curtly Hampton (64 SC), Daniel Butler (65 SC), Ben Ainsworth (64 SC), Jake Barrett (50 SC) and Jy Simpkin (47 SC) were all reasonable without being outstanding.

Andy McGrath (56 SC), Sam Petrevski-Seton (54 SC) and Oliver Florent (44 SC) all looked ok but loom as management risks for their owners, while debutants Teia Miles (46 SC) and Robbie Fox (44SC) are still finding their feet at AFL level.

After showing a bit last week Brandon Parfitt (36 SC), Mitch Hannan (31 SC), Jack Bowes (26 SC) and Harry Marsh (31 SC) were very ordinary in their second outings, while Jarrod Pickett (35 SC) had only 9 touches.

The Damned

Jack Steven (60 SC) punctured his lung early in the match against the Eagles, but bravely played on, which would explain his low output. He is expected to be out for this week at least. Nathan Hrovat (57 SC) has put in two disappointing performances in a row and it might be time for his owners to consider a corrective trade, while the same goes for Cam McCarthy (29 SC).

Injury-prone Kurt Tippett (11 SC) stuffed his ankle and looks set for an extended stint on the sidelines. Josh Gibson (46 SC) no longer looks like a relevant SuperCoach option in defence and should be offloaded immediately.

Community, your thoughts about Supercoach Round 2?

Twitter: @CarlPfeiffer9

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SCDamien

While Parfitt will continue to make money, I think it won't be long before he starts leaking coin. He'll probably be the first rookie of mine to hit the trade table. Harley Balic and Ben Long will be on the bubble when the time comes too, most likely.

Great write up Carlos. I look forward to this article every Monday.

Tim

The disappointing thing about Parfitt's performance was he was on about 26 pts at 1/4 time. Hardly touched it after that and when he did, he got tackled or had a clanger.

INPieman

Actually he was on 26 about 5 minutes into the game after he kicked a goal. Barely heard his name after that. He can't have much JS. I'm surprised he's playing in front of Menegola. Surely that won't last long

SCDamien

Menegola is/was injured, wasn't he?

INPieman

Menegola had 35 touches 7 tackles 5 Marks & a goal in the VFL on the weekend. If he was injured he isn't anymore. And it's safe to say someone will be booted for his inclusion this week. The Cats have a history of giving the kids a couple then putting them back in the VFL. And I'm afraid Mr Parfitt could well be the next of our rookies to disappear

Noirlust

Darcy Lang will be outed back to VFL for menangola

jez_m

Parfitt's BE will still be negative for a couple of weeks at least if he keeps scoring 40-50 points per game. All he needs is a 70+ game and he'll push that BE down again.

Tim

I think JS is the issue going forward

SCDamien

His JS should be okay while Cockatoo is injured, but it's probably a flip of the coin between him and Lang who stays in the team.

Tim

You had me excited when reading Will Hayward was a MID/FWD but on double checking, he is only a FWD. So many rookie options in the FWD line, needs some MIDS.

INPieman

Harley Balic. Remember that name. Surely Ross has to give him a go now. Ball magnet gun who is destroying the WAFL

Tim

You would think he's a sure thing for rd3

INPieman

You would think that Tim. But it's Ross & he's a dick head

Patch

That's the sting, IN. Ross wouldn't know a good footballer if he stepped in one. In fact you could throw him in a pool of good footballers and he'd still walk out with Zac Dawson as his "catch"

INPieman

HAHA Patch. I wonder which gun he'll drop to the WAFL this year. Probably Fyfe

Stirlsy

Watched his (Balic's) first 2 games and were both great games not sure how he went on the weekend but Peel got beat.
He had 28 in first game and 33 last week he must be close, was another kid as well that looked alright in first 2 games, think he might be in front of Balic was named emg for Freo on weekend, can't think of his name but it starts with M.

Danners

Heard rumours that he wants to get a few kids in within the next few weeks after the Port performance

INPieman

So did I Danners. But he may have mistaken the word Kids with Veterans

Stirlsy

At his presser he said play kids and the good servants who weren't up to it will make way.
He was just letting his love child know his about to be dropped.

Neil Demons Delight

if only it wasn't with Lyin

Steven Jurica

That round was as dirty as Carl's moustacca.

HallyMate

Currently sitting at a ranking of 150 which I'm stoked with, what's everyone's thoughts on Steele? Just doesn't seem to be getting enough midtime which is surprising

Tim

I'm holding on the basis that Steven is out for 2-4 weeks so Steele should get more midfield time over that period then I'll re-assess.

Carl

Spot on! Also coming from a late start to preseason so expecting him to improve as the seasons goes

jez_m

He's still a good pick for mine. With Jack Steven set to miss a couple of weeks at least with a punctured lung, Steele should get more mid time.

INPieman

Has a break even of 22. Not a concern this week

SCaddict

Have we been conned by another Feb flyer Lumumba style?

Fortunately he recovered in the 2nd half to at least get his 65 average from last season so I guess we should be thankful for that much, after an abysmal first half. For if he only finished with 35pts it might be a completely different conversation this morning

But I think we should cut him a little bit of slack as plenty of our so called premos spudded over the weekend but if he backs up with another 60 this weekend the duped alert will begin to sound. But for now he's making us some cash so let's see what happens this weekend against the Lions and hopefully he can get back on track with a 90 plus .

Kangas18

Just 66% TOG too. That didn't help.

Patch

Playing on Subi didn't suit him – does his best contested work in the cramped spaces of Etihad. Give him another few weeks – will still make cash. Steven out will only help him, as Tim mentioned

INPieman

Steele is playing at Etihad against the Lions this week. You'd be mad to get rid of him

Carl

Could be 140+ JLT style

J.K

Community, got some serious MondayRageTradeitis going on!

Considering punting Cal Mills, maybe for Marchbank, and using the cash to go Parfait/Picket to WHE.

I know I know, I picked Millsy for a reason etc etc. Should I really stick with him at the expense of getting those two money makers in? In hindsight the chances of Millsy being a top 6 DEF seem very slim. Should have went Lloyd instead. Thanks legends

SCaddict

Marchbank is close to a must have in my book and Mills has not performed in the first fortnight so I'd make that move myself. It was always going to be doubtful that Mills was going to finish a top defender in his 2nd season but I can understand the punt and Marchbank has performed to expectation so far, or even surpassed it.

So if you are going to scrap what you see as a failed midpricer or premo then your best option is usually to jump on the juiciest cows before their price explodes.

Danners

Good trades, Mills is a midpricer which we all can't get them all right . I never would have seen Mills averaging well anyway

J.K

Thanks for the response guys – unless someone steps in to talk me out of it I will be running with those trades.

Hanners U Tool

Defs do that!

Derek

i have Mills as well and was very keen on him all pre-season.

He was my only mid-pricer who wasn't a fallen premium and i thought one will be ok. It wasn't.

Can't see him being top 6. May have to trade him to the Nank

J.K

I think all of those intercept possies in one of the pre-season games induced some premature arousal on my part Derek! He might prove me wrong but unless he is taking intercept marks he seems to struggle to win his own pill. Although it has only been two weeks it seems an average in the 80s is best case, which just won't do.

Like the Nank trade – he is close to a must now isn't he?

Derek

don't tell anyone i'm considering The Nank. Pure correction trade.

wighty

Doing a similar thing…..J Martin and Taranto to WHE and Houston……show me the money !!!

Simmo6

What's the communities thoughts on Luke Parker.. knee already strapped. Looks like he is already carrying an injury? Sideways trade to slone or bontempelli?

Danners

I have him as well and didn't know of this. Still hold should do pretty well against Collingwood

adam

Simmo my thoughts exactly… he looked slow on friday night and I also noticed spent a lot of time forward which also has me concerned… sometimes SC takes a few ballsy moves and this maybe one… I am leaning towards a swap for the Bont this week… just think the bont could be on his way to a permanent price in the $600's which may make him unattainable later… Parker will slide to low 500's on his current output

Dildor

Is an extra 20-40k really that unattainable for bont? I think probably not.

adam

if he averages 125 from here to round 10 you will need more than 20-40k to pick him up post byes.. off that average his price will be approx $648k… paying $650k means less cash for other upgrades..

SCaddict

I have Parks in RealDreamTeam but will be holding this week for sure. I don't believe he's carrying anything although it always impossible to know for sure when someone is undeperforming. But usually it's just ordinary form woes and confidence to blame.

The Swans midfield have really struggled against some excellent opposition but it probably won't be too long before they kick into gear. Definitely want to see how their midfield go against the Pies who can give up fantasy points to their opponents.

For all we know this could be the week they turn it all around and we can finally say TFFT ha ha!

Lazza

Parker was always going to be a slow track to form. He had pre-season surgery, no way he should have been selected before the bye rounds.

Abel

Cheers. Great input

Goose

Get rid of Pickett for Dan Butler for more cash generation or hold onto trades?

Tim

Do it, need to make corrective trades to get the right rookies in for cash generation.

jez_m

Yep if you haven't got Butler then you need to get him in.

redgumwon

Butler had a cracker of a first game against Carlton 96 and Carlton. Game two against the pies 65. First two games against average sides who won't make the top 8. This week Tigers come up against West Coast who are a strong side with a very good defence. Butler will score less than 65 nothing surer. Pickett will keep playing as Carlton are going to play the kids more this year. Pickett is also coming off an ankle reco from last year Pickett should keep improving and not to mention DDP. I think save the trade and keep Pickett as a slow burn on your bench while adding some DDP cover between mid/fwd

INPieman

It's worth noting the Blues traded a first round draft pick to GWS for the Marchbank/Pickett package. They are going to want to develop those boys for their investment. Port plays a Showdown this week. They will want to field the strongest team they can. Hamish Hartlett & Jasper Pittard will be available & almost certain inclusions. So who makes way. My guess is Eddy & Houston

Goose

If Eddy gets dropped do you reckon trade him for Butler instead of the Pickett trade and pick Eddy back up later as a downgrade if the timing is right? Or go with the Pickett trade and wait for Eddy/Houston to get the recall?

Boltons Blues

Exactly, Pickett has the best job security out of all our rookies, Carlton need kids and they need small forwards who can apply forward pressure, ticks all those boxes

Andos

Andrew Gallucci kicked 3 goals for Blues 2nds on the weekend, could be knocking on the door for a small forward spot. He's had 12 months out injured and Blues will be keen to see what he can do on the big stage. Hopefully this pressure for a spot makes Pickett dig deeper!

Andos

Strike that, I think Andrew Gallucci is still on rookie list.

Ozz

Hey lads,
started off the season alright and havent had to make any trades yet, should i hold roughead and ryder or trade? if so what are some trade options?

Tim

Roughy to WHE seems to be a popular trade. Free's up some cash while WHE is set to make some good coin.

Steeeve

That's what I'm doing.

Boltons Blues

Hold roughy, 1 year out of the game with cancer, will take to find his feet, once his match fitness is up i reckon you'll find him in the middle alot more, plus, we need to wait for the Hawks to gel a lot more before we start axing the players, hes not losing cash, so im holding

bUCKET__

Why'd you get both in?

They are key position players and are bound to be inconsistent, so hopefully you weren't expecting consistent 100s. But they haven't exactly produced poor scores either. If you got them as keepers, you should be backing them in still: both have played pretty well for minimal goals, and there's no new reason to think that bags of goals won't come eventually.

If you got them as cash generators, trading to WHE makes sense. But selecting them in the first place for that reason probably wasn't a good move.

jez_m

Time for some rookie correctional trades. Definitely flicking Taranto for Hoskin-Elliot, mainly because with that 120 point game WHE will make cash at a faster rate than Taranto. Not sure what to do with J. Smith this week though. Only have $35K in the bank to use. What do the community think of Newman's job security? With Rampe out with a busted arm does he stay in the side?

Beezneez

Was able to use Smith as a loophole and took Ottens score.Useful for that till get another look at Newman and see if Berry plays.

jez_m

Won't be able to do that this week as Melbourne play Geelong before Adelaide plays, so if I keep Smith both he and Stewart will be locked before the Adelaide game starts and I won't get a look at Hampton/Otten

Neil Demons Delight

couldn't agree more beez though I am sure Newmans gold

Carl

I'd be keeping Smith until Newman is named for his 3rd game. He looks the goods but no need to rush the trade unless you're going to have a donught?

jez_m

Yeah will probably end up holding him I think as I don't have the cash to get McGrath. Will probably go Petrevski-Senton to WHE via fwd/mid swing (which allows me to keep Taranto) and hold my other trade. Can get Newman or Hayward once they're on the bubble.

Ben Kerrigan

McCarthy out hoskin elliot in for me

INPieman

No brainer

Fig

Same here. Also flicking T Lynch for Higgins as Lynch doesnt look like he will see the ball down the forward line for GC

MorrowSC

Average as move but I'm considering trading out Hanners, Petreski-Seton (took a punt on him) to Higgins and Hoskin-Elliot… had Higgins all pre-season but didn't have the balls to pick him and paying for it now, reckon he's a keeper in the forward line with his new role and want to get some more POD mids in there next few weeks.. allows me to have a $250k kitty for a quick upgrade to a fallen Shuey, Dusty perhaps.

wighty

SC rule 101….never trade a fallen premo on the back of a couple of bad games.

INPieman

Jack Steven playing the game with a punctured lung & scoring 60 means he should have the Hero section to himself. That's extraordinary

Derek

Birchell played half a game with a broken Jaw. Will miss 4-6.

The Magpie Dentist

KK out for Hoskin-Elliot and Pickett out for Butler, worth considering?

INPieman

I really don't like what I've seen from the Suns. They are a train wreck. The odds of KK being a 95+ keeper are extremely remote. I like those trades as correctives as long as it doesn't leave your defence to exposed

SCaddict

I'd do the KK to WHE move although I've never been the world's greatest KK believer so have some cognitive bias there. Not sure I'd pull the Pickett to Butler trade unless Pickett gets dropped this week. If he say slots 3 goals against the Dons this weekend and scores a 75 suddenly he is making some decent coin.

Not saying that will happen of course but if it does and Butler goes goal less against the white hot Eagles you might be then wondering why you burnt a trade in the first place. I have Pickett, Barrett and Parfitt who could all make way for Butler so part of me is hoping one of them gets dropped to justify a Butler trade in.

But otherwise I will just give Butler a skip and save the trade as we've seen how wildly some of these rookie scores can vary from week to week like Hannan and Otten for example. There will be other Butlers to jump on in the coming weeks so you don't have to get on every single one right now.

The Magpie Dentist

Thanks for the advice guys

Yeah the Suns don't look inspired whatsoever, I definitely will make the KK to WHE trade. I agree with you SC Addict that there'll be more rookies to come as the season wears on

Liam

Should I trade sps to whe ?

Danners

Yes, WHE would have better JS

jez_m

Yes

John

Is trading Tim Taranto to Hoskin-Elliot a bad idea?

Danners

No, WHE would have better JS

jez_m

I'm pulling the trigger on that trade myself. WHE will make cash quicker than Taranto before the byes, which is what our starting rookies are for really.

Daizy

I think it's a poor trade.
Every second person on here trading Taranto for WHE.
I agree hoskin Elliot is worth bringing in I just don't think Taranto should b the one to make way.
He looked heaps better the other day and looks to have bought himself a few games.
Taranto is one good score away from getting his price moving. Ur all gonna look pretty silly if he hits 100 this week and I think he's a chance

Kev

Personally I don't think it's a case of him buying more games if he plays well. Once Coniglio and Whitfield return Taranto will probably get squeezed out

Derek

until he gets squeezed out, i think he should stay.

Webspyda

Yes have to agree, If you have an under performing premium (Hanners,Treloar) who is going to bleed money, you can S Taranto to mid bench and have plenty of cash for WHE or Reid or both.
There are more options than you think….

whatyasmokin

You're off your head he's averaging 102 one good score and he'll be back to performing for his price tag of 600k.

whatyasmokin

Taranto was always a trap in that GWS outfit. People don't learn.

Webspyda

Don't be silly Billy. Taranto is no worse than most of the rookies and will make money for those that hold for a few weeks.

whatyasmokin

GWS have a lot of depth, and they had/have Coniglio/Hopper/De Boer returning probably among others.

If Mzungu didn't get injured he probably would've got dropped for Hopper last week.

When there's players like WHE and Marchbank for 200K-ish you don't need another one with limited JS.

I prefer the Petreski-Seton pick in a club that is rebuilding.

luke

roughy to nankervis?

Danners

Is what I'm doing so I suppose it would be a good trade

Noirlust

already done for me, i liked roughy, but when there is someone the same price scoring 40 points more, it becomes a no brainer.

ron swanson

Thinking the same. Then they mention Soldo could come in. How does that affect the Nank? It is never easy…..

Izzy

trading either roughy or ryder, who stays?

Danners

Roughie stays, has averaged over 90 for a lot more seasons than Ryder has

Webspyda

Ryder as he plays for a better side
Roughy is not playing in the same Hawks of old

whatyasmokin

Both traps that many bought into.

Lewyhewy

Mate the hawks lost two games. When the [email protected] have the power been good, 2007!!! The hawks will hit there straps soon, you would have to be a dickhead to rate the power over the hawks, roughy for me

Crowmagnon

So far this year Port ARE better than Hawthorn.

Dice

J. Pickett out for D. Butler
M. Hibberd out for ?????? N. Newman?

SCaddict

I wouldn't do either unless Picket gets dumped or not taking Newman means an onfield donut for you this week. As good as Newman looked last week it's always prudent to wait until rookies have played two weeks just in case he either spuds and/or gets dropped next week even if that doesn't seem particularly likely right now. Those coaches who jumped early on Hannan for Eddy may have some regrets this morning.

Some coaches will argue that trading Pickett to Butler is worthwhile and they may end up being right but personally I'll be holding Pickett if he plays and passing on Butler fwiw. There will be other bubble boys to trade Pickett to soon enough if he proves a failure but I think it's still a little too early to tell.

redgumwon

Well said SCaddict. There seem to be far to many coaches ready to hit the trade button in panic

@t_woof

Eddy to Hannan. I am one of them. Sad.

Agree with you Addict. I also own Barrett, Pickett and Parfitts along with being Butlerless. Will be following suit and passing on Butler if all those three rookies are named. Liked the way Hayward played, so have my eye on him.

wighty

Wait till Newman plays second game and is selected for 3rd….Hibberds price wont change if he isnt selected.

Neale

Is Sam Reid a risk

Danners

He might do alright while Tippett is out, but definitely a big risk. Try and get cheaper rookies before looking at him

Kev

Not counting his debut season where he only played one game, he's averaged between 58-71 over 5 seasons. Expect more of the same

Steeeve

Is water wet?

Webspyda

High risk but good chance of High reward if continues for a few more weeks $$$$$$$$$
Thats the name of the game now POD $$$$$$$$$$ Proj 75.9k increase. V WHE 64.6k

whatyasmokin

Should've started with him if you thought he was good value. Chasing. Will cost two trades because he won't be a keeper.

ULTRA-slim chances of being a keeper if you look at his career.

Daniel

Is tim Taranto to Hoskin Elliot a decent trade?

INPieman

Only if Taranto is dropped. He still has a 0 break even

Kev

See John's post above

Freddie

Thoughts on Roughead to Nankervis
and O meara to Murphy

jez_m

Don't mind the Rough to Nank trade, but hold O'Meara.

whatyasmokin

Chasing or correcting? Time will tell.

Harry

I want to get in Nankervis….trade out Lynch or dont bother?

J.K

IMHO you want to hold Lynch. I know GC are a rabble but he is a proven premo and despite only kicking 2 goals in the first two weeks still has an average of 70 odd. He will start finding the sticks soon surely.

That being said, Nank is close to a must. Any other way?

Dogs

Roughy down to WHE for me. It's my first trade and I need it for cash generation. Then need to look at a replacement for smith, hopefully Newman holds his spot at the swans.

Steeeve

Anyone want a crack listing the following rookies from most job security to least? Here's my attempt.
S Powell-Pepper
D Butler
J Barrett
C Hampton
T Stewart
A Otten
M Hannan
J Pickett
T Taranto
D Houston
B Preuss
B Parfitt
B Eddy
This is based on performance but more importantly the other players to come back in for their sides, which helps guys like Pickett but hurts a LOT of others including Preuss and Houston who have otherwise been impressive.

jez_m

I reckon from that list:

Powell-Pepper (by the length of the Flemington straight)
Butler
Barrett
Otten
Hampton
Stewart
Taranto
Pickett

Then throw a blanket over the rest.

Boltons Blues

Pickett is up there with the rest of them, Carlton are playing kids, they didnt give up a first rounder for Marchbank and Pickett for either of them to play in the VFL.

Steeeve

Good to hear. Haven't caught a Blues game yet, where is Pickett playing? Saw him listed on a wing round 1 and back pocket round 2. But judging by his scores he has mainly been playing with himself, on the bench.

Boltons Blues

Forward half of the ground, as you can see, my blues struggle to score, he will struggle, can be a decent onballer i reckon

Kev

Ran down Hunt after giving him a 15mtr headstart! He is enormously talented and footy smart he will be given every chance to improve his confidence and by mid season will probably have an offensive fwd role with a bit of midfield time rather than primarily a defensive fwd which he is now.

Steeeve

I'm holding. Only needs one big game to make money aka Menapoo

Mac D

Hi

Steven Jurica

Hoskin-Elliot has Jarrad Waite of last year written all over him. He didn't play on anyone against the Tigers and had to kick 3 goals in order to get his SC score up to 120. PASS..

jez_m

WHE's job security is the most important thing though. The difference between him and Waite is that Waite wasn't priced at $213K at the start of 2016. Just need WHE to play until the byes then turf him, doesn't matter if he only averages 70-80 in that time.

Steven Jurica

So you're burning two trades on the one bloke to get him and then out, your funeral.

jez_m

I'll most likely end up keeping Taranto and trading out Petrevski-Senton for WHE via a forward/mid swing. But given how sparse quality rookies are this year, people may need to burn a couple of trades to get the best rookies. Using two trades (in some cases) can be justified.

whatyasmokin

Start with WHE. Winning.

J.K

Even if he trips over his own feet to a couple of 50s over the next few weeks he will still make sufficient coin to justify selection won't he? No-one is saying he is a keeper – with rookies so poor overall I get the feeling that early season $ generation will be key. Just my two cents of course.

SCaddict

The key difference for me is that Waite was meant to be a season long keeper. WHE will be more than likely a short term stepping stone to a Macrae type. If he scores even just 75 this week he will jump about $75K. Unless Bucks totally screws with his role which is a possibility of course it's hard to see how he won't make at least an easy $150K from here which is all that we really need from a cow with excellent JS.

Bottom line coaches need to decide what they are doing on the WHE front this week (if they don't already have him) as if he scores well again this weekend it will definitely be too late to jump on next week as that ship will well and truly have sailed.

Either way it's going to be damn interesting to see what happens Friday night as about half the community are hoping he tons up again and the other half will be hoping he spuds out a pitiful 30 so that they can say their "I told you so's". 🙂

Whatyasmoking

Nothing like Jarrad Waite in any aspect. A forward had to kick 3 goals to get 120. Mhmm big pass. Ludicrous.

Tim

Agree entirely Whatyasmoking.

whatyasmokin

For starters Waite cost around 430K if I recall. he's long in the tooth etc etc etc etc

Kev

I hope he's like Jarrad Waite 2016. A couple of 140+ nuthin below 110 in the first 6 weeks will be absolute SC gold

Kim

He is even getting some midfield time so very easy decision for me to get him in. I went Pickett to WHE so I have another on field option compared to Pickett who was on my bench and will make up that 80k this week after his price rise.

Tony

In a site full of information, I suppose we have to cop the occasional misinformation. This is the most amateur (mis)comparison I've seen in a while, though. It can only prove accurate if WHE dominates, leads the comp for points six weeks in and then has his season destroyed by injury.

Iconic

Who to trade – 2 of; J. Smith, M. Hibberd, J. Pickett, B. Parfitt, D. Cameron, Z. Guthrie

Trading out for WHE + A. Otten/N. Newman

Carl

Otten over Newman until he is on the bubble – I'll be trading Smith > Newman when that happens. He can be a loophole until then and isn't loosing money.
Parfitt of those would be the first to go, maybe Hibberd next. Both havnt excelled.

redgumwon

Not really save the trade.. O'Meara is finding the pill he just needs to kick it more 🙂 How long until Murphy gets injured again? JOM is a cash generating machine until you're ready to upgrade to a premo

Gren

Hvorat to whe and ? Treloar Mr 300 touches for 100sc points to C.Oliver keeping 300k in the bank for upgrades??

INPieman

I don't mind Hvorvat to WHE. But Treloar to Oliver is a move the gods will almost certainly punish you for

Zander

Dont drop Treloar, he will be solid across the whole year. Just wasting a trade if you do.

If these first two games swayed you – you must not have been sold on him from the start, in which case, why did you pick him?

Kim

I wouldn't trade treloar mate he is a keeper who will only get better. Priddis is averaging 99 after 2 games treloar is 102 not the end on the world. Oliver has started very well unlikely he will keep it up, remember Melb has won both games pies have lost both. Waste of a trade in my opinion you will need all 30 trades this season esp with less reliable rookies.

Zac

What should we do with hanners? If I trade him who should I trade him for

Charlie

Don't trade him

Emma

WHE or Witts I can trade Tarintino to either with my ruck swing, or should I keep Tarintino?

INPieman

I wouldn't trade a guy with a 0 break even. But if you must then Witts. Amongst the discussions of all the must have rookies he's being overlooked

Kim

Keep him he is one big game away from making a lot of extra cash. I can see him averaging 70+ from here on out he is a gun look at his jlt stats no fluke

SCaddict

Not for me even though I just have the cash to do that and no other real trade plans if all my rookies play. JOM had 36 touches against a serious premiership contender so he has no trouble finding the footy. Just a shame 30 off them were handballs otherwise he would've tonned up for sure.

Hawks will be looking for their first win of the season and I expect them to take their frustrations out on the Suns so JOM, Roughie and Titch owners could be in for a field day, or at least here's hoping.

Although Smurph or Oliver could indeed end up being one of the best fantasy pickups of the season I wouldn't be using JOM to get there myself.

INPieman

An addict with spare cash. I find this hard to believe SCA!

SCaddict

Gee you really don't miss much INP. You'd be shocked to know i actually have a 6 figure bank balance right now although how long I can resist the temptation to splurge it all on my fantasy addiction remains to be seen.

INPieman

We argued about this all preseason & now you have a 6 figure bank & I'm under that! How the world can change so fast

Derek

who did you trade WHE for?

SCaddict

Got lucky when Matt Kennedy was dumped on the team sheets last Thursday. Was 50/50 about starting he or WHE in the preseason so after I saw WHE perform in Rd1 it was an easy decision to make when MK got omitted. So the fantasy gods definitely looked after me on that one.

INPieman

That's the kindest the gods get! Insane ROI

Jason Di Staso

Is vickers willis to otten a waste of trade
Already trading mcarthty to whe

Kev

No. If EVW isn't named this week you need the right rookies in to make cash

Rivo

Concerned over M.Crouch at M5. Poor score on the weekend and not convinced he will boom this season. Other options include Heppel, Murphy & Beams. Thoughts or a wasted trade?

jez_m

Hmm tough one. Crouch's ability to consistently go 100+ is why I didn't pick him. Personally I think he'll be outscored by all three of those players you mentioned. So if you're still not 100% sold on him, you'll need to pull the trigger now.

RobDog

Crouch has had two tough games and another this week, then it opens up a bit. I'm holding for now and will re=evaluate in a couple of weeks. Only one poor score and he's getting plenty of the pill, am backing him to lift.

Leeds17

TOG dropped this game need to be playing 80%+.

Jiggs

how do you find his TOG cos thats what im concerned about too

mich

footy live app has it

Abel

Beams

Rivo

Ok. What about Crouch & Barrett to Beams & WHE via DPP swing?

whatyasmokin

I'd be tempted, very tempted. Could be a big move.

Nobody worse than barrett to move on? His JS should be decent.

TRIGGER HAPPY

Is that a record?
6 Villians in one week?
That just sucks.
Nice one Carl.

INPieman

5 Villains for me Trig. But somehow it feels like I had more

SC17

I have 90K in the bank.
I am thinking of doing Roughead to Higgins and Taranto to WHE.
Thoughts?

Webspyda

I would go roughy to WHE and keep Taranto

jez_m

Hold O'Meara. Had 30+ touches on the weekend, just needs to kick the damn thing when he gets it.

Steven's good lung

Is Tom Mitchell a top 10 mid by years end?

Kev

I think just outside. He has a friendly SC game but some weeks his tendency to handball a lot may catch up with him

Boltons Blues

Gets a hard ball, but handballs alot.
Like a Mat Priddas in a way

Steeeve

My top 10 from before the season started, in no real order:
Danger
Fyfe
Pendles
JPK
Treloar
Bont
Cripps
T Mitchell
Hannebry
Gray

After two rounds I'd sub out Hannebry for one of: Jelwood, Rockliff, Priddis, Neale, Parker, Sloane or Dusty.

Overall that's 17 players I could picture going top 10. I'd be happy with any combo of them by the end of the year. T Mitchell included.

neil DEMONS DELIGHT

only one change jelwood a must for cripps

Burnmen

Danger
Pendles
Rockliff
Fyfe
Bont
Sloane
Gray
Martin
Treloar
Oliver

The Saltshaker

so youre saying oliver is going the merrett way not the zaha way? interesting he does look good but not sure on him over titch, jpk,
beams murphy or heppell

hedski

Jelwood and JPK surely

whatyasmokin

Yeah just threw together a top 10-ish type list that may be different than the norm and based on current form.

There'd be Jelwood, JPK, Merrett, Titch, Cripps, Neale and others (ie GWS Kelly/Coniglio?/Ward) as well in contention for top 10 spots.

Then there's left field picks like heppel and the always breaking into uber category wines (not convinced), even Beams imo.

Personally think Cotchin/Murphy/Priddis/S.Mitchell will be just out of the top spots, but you never know.

Then there's Gaz, he's capable of anything.

Nathan

Sam Reid is going well- is he good pick for cash generation? He is only 50k ish more then WHE and has a great BE- also nice draw coming up. Thoughts community?

Bob

Avoid key forwards

Derek

nah….. have a look at Burton from the hawks. played his first game for the year with 104SC.

kid can play…. they gave him SMitch's #5 jumper.

Birchell out for 6 weeks with broken jaw gives him more JS.

has DPP – FWD/DEF nice

only $254k

Nate

Thanks mate!!! That's awesome

whatyasmokin

Awkward price…………..

Saundo

Mcarthy I see a huge stain in my jocks. I am considering trading Zac Jones down to Otten or Newman, which would leave me about 450k to spend on a forward? Any suggestions?

Anthony

Higgins!

Burnmen

People are now trading Zac Jones? This is madness, why bother with him to begin with?

THE NANK

Is it worth going Mcarthy to WHE for first trade of the year?

SCaddict

Ummmmm HELL YEAH!!!

INPieman

If you don't have WHE I think that trade is mandatory. CamMac could actually lose money

Derek

i think that is a no-brainer

neil DEMONS DELIGHT

tough one that macca could score massive but I think WHE by a whisker a bloody big whisker

Captain Risky

Jones & Pruess survive the MRP review with a fine. Suspensions to Thompson 1, Lewis 3 and Hogan 2.

Hopefully Pruess can back up last weeks perfomance..

Steeeve

Every year I pick a ruckman who could make me money, every year the wrong one. Preuss, please change my fortunes! Would love him to fatten up then turn into Strnadica for a neat profit.

jason

Pruess's fortunes rest on Goldstien's fitness.

INPieman

Think Preuss can consider himself lucky. But $1,000 fine would actually mean something to him. Lewis & Hogan are massive out for Melbourne

hedski

Yep go cats.

smote

Wow…MRP made a bit of a statement there with the off the ball sniping by Lewis and Hogan. Play hard but fair fellas!

neil demons delight

Hogans a love tap fine only Lewis worse hope they are consistent

Boltons Blues

Bowes to WHE via Pickett DPP this week for me.

Witts sitting at R3 is killing me, i put him there for cash generation/Sandilands back up but hate seeing 100 points sitting on the pine.

whatyasmokin

Should've had the FWD/Ruck/loophole swing of darcy Cameron/Strndica so you can move them round with Nank.

Sandi is injury prone and no 100% guarantees that Witts will be no.1 ruck all year leaves you open for sudden ruck donut syndrome.

FEARTHEBEARD

Same boat except I have Gawn, Sandi, Witts lol

Plums for days

Is there any rookie mids that are on the bubble and worth looking at this week? I have other trade plans this week but if there's any worth seriously considering it might throw a spanner in the works of said plans!

INPieman

Barett Pickett & Parfit are all on the bubble. But you could pick them all up for about the same price next week. None of them look destined to make much coin

Plums for days

Yeah I've got all of them. Also started with Hall from GC – What was I thinking?? Just turned him into the majesticness of one Oliver Wines (I think Higgo might be on to something there)… Still top 5% so I'm backing this sideways one in as one that needs to happen.

Whitey

Yo guys,
making my first set of trades and i'm thinking ryder (maybe roughy) for WHE and hibberd or EVW (depending on selection) for caleb marchbank.
cash generating trades and i will have 90+k in the bank, what are your thoughts

Luke

Roughead breakeven this week 58. Should Nail that. Ryder breakeven 81. I'd Trade Ryder to WHE and Bring in Marchbank for a non scoring rookie such as EVW

NEIL DEMONS DELIGHT

Problem with that Luke is Roughy looks like a slow slow burner better JS THAN MOST like Taranto but I fancy a Murphy or beams or oliver who can score big tons and good JS CHEERS

GC suck

What to do woth tom lynch?? Suns look destined for a horrible year and i seem to have lost faith in him.. considering going
Lynch and smith(melb)
To
Whe and newman and nank the cash for furtjer rookie carnage

Currently have hibberd, mountford, smith not playing but need to re structure to make changes as i only have 50k and none of the expensive rooks

Team is
Doch laird adams touhy hampton otten stewart smith
Danger jpk treloar selwood fyfe beams spp barrett mountfors hibberd miles
Martin sandi preuss
Dahl lynch nank roughy butler pickett eddy parfitt
56.2k

Suggestion community

J.K

GC were a disgrace last year and Lynch had a solid year. Although they are struggling they will surely be better this year than last year you'd think? As a Lynch owner I am holding. He has only had one bad one after all. Hold those premos!

Personally I would favour Roughie to WHE over Lynch, but obv just my opinion.

Burnmen

Agree

GC suck

Looking at my team what would you advise??? Csn go smith to hannan/houston via dpp but dont like there js
Cant get whe in one trade unless i change structure
Decisons decisons
Still have faith in my premium selections other than lynch but thay could be a bit kneee jerk

J.K

Smith to Houston via DPP, Rough to WHE.

whatyasmokin

Can you afford Marchbank and WHE if you trade Roughy and Smith?

Worth consideration.

Anthony

JOM playing GC this week…..will be pumped for a big game and knows the ground well – HOLD.

Tet

Is it worth the trade to go from a non-playin rookie such as Aaron black or Wigg to Parfitt? It's purely for cash generation but I'm not sold on parfitt's cash generating abilities so would it be a waste?

Burnmen

Don't tell me you have Aaron Black and Wigg………………..

Tet

maybe………yes

whatyasmokin

Maybe not Parfitt, but other rookies with good JS…..for sure.

The BONT

Downgrade Roughy to Nank or WHE

Saintsational

Definitely Nank, looking like a keeper at this stage

Reiwoldting

If Nank is keeper then Nank. Is he top 2 ruck or top 6 forward? Otherwise WHE for cash. But can you trade anyone other than rough for that?

Jib_Jib

I think he could be a top 6-8 fwd, not a top 2 ruck (prob top 4).

Luke

Hey guys and gals, rapt with where im sitting at the moment. Overall rank: 855 List of SQUAD with AVERAGES so far.
DEF: Docherty 107.5, Otten 76.5, McGrath 69.5, Stewart 58.5, Hampton 57, Jake Kelly 33 (Smith – loophole, Hibberd 23)
MID: Danger 139, Martin 138.5, Wines 135, Heppell 130, T Mitchell 117, Fyfe 112.5, J. Kelly 112.5, Beams 105.5 (Powell- Pepper 84, Barrett 48, Parfitt 40)
RUC: Gawn 119.5, Witts 90.5 (Preuss 77.5)
FWD: JJ Kennedy 128, Higgins 120.5, Nankervis 119, Hogan 93.5, Steele 89, Taranto 59.5 (Houston 76.5, Eddy 53)

Wondering what trades I should do this week? $75,000 in the bank. I could probably hold and not trade. but thinking its Vital to get Will Hoskin-Elliot (average 104) in and possibly Marchbank (average: 89.5) also. any feedback or opinions would be Greatly appreciated Community!

The Saltshaker

id get march for your structure and taranto > whe, dont think hogan will avg 93 for season

Congrats on your position, mate in my league 651st overall

Luke

Thanks Dude. Hogan rubbed out for 2 weeks suspension but a breakeven of 55. I Could Swing Parfitt with Taranto and leave Taranto on the mid bench to make some cash. What about moving on Hogan instead of Taranto? Both will make cash then Jake Kelly to Marchbank?

Finnius123

I would trade Hogan for WHE and move kelly to Marchbank. That will make you some dosh and hogan is out for two weeks so it is the right time to move him if you are going to.

whatyasmokin

2 Weeks without Hogan maybe ditch him for WHE.

Trade worst rookie from backline for marchbank after looking at the teams this week.

Trade up a defender to Laird/Adams/Loyd ASAP sometime after round 3 with cash and a fattened defensive rookie.

Although your ruck is in danger if Preuss and Witts are dropped at some point. No swing to move Nankervis back into ruck.

Like the team though.

carlo

when do prices change for players?