252 Comments

H.O'Neil · 10/03/2017 at 11:04
With heeney being out to start the year. Who is the next best option?
H.O'Neil

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 11:11
Hard to say without knowing who you already have but I'd look at Caddy, Roughead, Nank, or Stringer as bit of a pod.

Swans2012 · 10/03/2017 at 11:18
Take your pick of any of about 10, none a safe bet. I like nank, roughy, Steele, billings probably in that order, or better still find some cash and go up to one of the better options, macrae, lynch buddy caddy jjk etc

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:07
no one ever mentions Cyril 😉

Swans2012 · 10/03/2017 at 14:09
I can't mention his name without hearing a ""twang""". Not for me but is a jet if those hammies hold together

Kev · 10/03/2017 at 11:18
Gaff will suck a few in. No contested game. Had the pill 35 times, 30 uncontested, for ONE inside 50

@t_woof · 10/03/2017 at 12:34
Doesn't need to have a contested game when you have Priddis and Mitchell in the side. Feeding off Mitchell a plenty. Gut runner. Interesting to see how he scores this season. Will definitely improve on his 90.3, but question is by how much.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:08
not enough

Bailes · 10/03/2017 at 14:15
oi talking smack Derek?

@t_woof · 10/03/2017 at 14:47
Of course, most likely not if talking re top 10 midfielders. Interesting nonetheless.
I like him as a player, was kind to me last year with disposal cash bets.

To CARLOS · 10/03/2017 at 11:37
You absolute idiot of a man don't be talking smack about my man gaff you bastard

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 10:55
Yep. Zero arousal from what Goodwins doing to big Max.

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 11:15
100% spot on. He's probably still going to be a top 3 ruck when sharing duties with Spencer, but if they're both named I'd rather wait get him after his price drops. No way he'll maintain a 118 average if he's sharing. Will be interesting to see what Goldi/Grundy can produce this weekend.

undypuncher · 10/03/2017 at 13:13
if spencer gets named think i might just swap gawn for sandi and bank the cash and wait for goods to pull his finger out. if sandi goes down straight swap if he doesnt well winning and i upgrade grudge undies to gawn when spencer gets dropped

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:09
its a pity that Spencer is $236k

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 10:50
He's in my team as a pod but his scores have been underwhelming.

Matt · 10/03/2017 at 11:03
he's had low TOG. his PPM average is 1.01. get on him!

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 11:05
Great info. Let's keep it quiet.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 11:55
He's someone I'd prefer to either pick off during the season closer to $400K, with his likely KPP ups and downs, or after his early Rd11 bye rather than start myself.
Last season he got off to a horrid start averaging about 70 in his first 7 games that saw his price plummet well below $400K and had his starting owners pulling their hair out but came home super strong after his bye for those who picked him off cheaply.

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 10:52
Nankervis a safer bet than Witts.

Swans2012 · 10/03/2017 at 11:05
Agree, Nank is a lock in my forward line, just think wits might just average 80 odd, any other year I'd lock him into r2, but sandi presents too much value and wits to expensive to sit on the pine imo

Kev · 10/03/2017 at 11:08
It has been a common thread in these Melbourne writeups that Gawn looks like he's just jogging around. Could this be calm before the storm, community? You don't pull out a 118 average being an ordinary footballer.

Swans2012 · 10/03/2017 at 11:13
Very true, and once you miss those 150's he scores, there is no getting them back!

Crowls · 10/03/2017 at 18:49
No 150's in two ruck system to worry about missing.

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 11:19
Not his scores per se that concern me Kev, it's the 2 ruck system that Goodwin has been using. Hopefully he dumps it for the season proper but persisting with it in JLT4 isn't a great sign.
Solo ruckmen or bust for JibJibFC.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 12:10
I don't think many doubt Big Maxy will still be one of the best rucks in the comp and a premium scorer.
But can he still maintain that ultra high 118 average with Goodwin and Spencer seemingly sabotaging his fantasy output? It's also quite rare for the No.1 ruckman to again finish the No.1 ruckman the following season in recent years. Just look at Goldy and his 130 average in 2015. Shit happens. It only takes a sluggish start or compromised output due to shared roles to whack $100K off his price in no time.
So there could be a 5-15pt drop off which may not sound like a lot but could reward those who go with seemingly better value options to start with. After all you can't start with every ultra premium, you have to bet against some of them, and Gawny is now giving some coaches reason to bet against his $645K asking price.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:10
he looked alot thinner than last year.

TRIGGER HAPPY · 10/03/2017 at 11:11
Swans good to see you in the comments.
There is a spot in my league of regulars if you want to join.
Code: 394942

Swans2012 · 10/03/2017 at 11:28
Thanks bud, thewinningchoice is in! Appreciate it! Bloody amped for this season!

Swans2012 · 10/03/2017 at 20:00
At least I was in, now it appears I'm not? Tried to rejoin but says it's full, I've been culled haven't I!!! Lol all good either way, let me know if I've still got a spot anyway!

TRIGGER HAPPY · 10/03/2017 at 21:46
Someone else jumped in but i have made room
Try jumping in now 🙂

Swans2012 · 11/03/2017 at 01:42
Thewinningchoice is back in, thanks trig, you'll regret this when I take the title!

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 11:04
Has to be considered. If Nank goes into your ruck who would you carry as cover for Sandi in your fwd line? Could go on n with Cameron and Preuss at r3 and hope they are playing if you need them.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 11:18
Witts could be relatively affordable R3 cover at just over $200K as he looks to have the Suns starting ruck gig all but sewn up with Nichols ongoing body issues and Currie not quite up to AFL level.
Definitely a structure worth exploring depending on how the final rookie picture shakes out. Would have the advantage of not committing to a premo ruck right now and then jumping on the best 2 midseason after some of this uncertainty has settled.
#NANKILANDS is real folks!

HumDinger · 10/03/2017 at 11:37
do not be fooled by others, money on your ruck bench is a waste and will cost you in the long run. trades are there for a reason. if you back you team to be healthy don't do it

Scott · 11/03/2017 at 01:01
Lock

TRIGGER HAPPY · 10/03/2017 at 11:10
Gawn bit of a worry
Super Simon has stated he would like to go with two rucks and after Frank kicked 3 last night be a shoe in for Rd 1.
Might have to look at Grundy. $140K saved does allow me to upgrade a mid rook to swallow or JOM.
Grundy does have a decent midfield at his feet. Like to lock in Mummy but they don't call him mummy for nothing he has a habit of ending up in bandages.

Shake n bake · 10/03/2017 at 12:54
Mummy did avg 100 last year and played 21 games. Better clearance team then the pies are GWS but Grundy will give you more around the ground. If I knew Collingwood wouldn't stuff around with Pendals especially in the centre bounces the pies would win a lot more clearances tough call. Pies & Gws play tomorrow will be interesting Trigger.

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 11:22
If I change R1 from Gawn it'll be to Goldi or Grundy. Nankiballs R1/R2 has wayyyy to much risk for my liking

neil Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 13:37
Spencer is just a good back up player forget his 3 goals never done that before and never again not in the same league as Maxy .MIGHT be in R1 but doubt much more Goodwin more likely to go with a part timer and playing spencer where he belongs at Casey another Fitzpatrick cheers

Top 200,000 player · 10/03/2017 at 12:23
But then averaged 110 thereafter…

Seb · 10/03/2017 at 12:27
He actually only averaged 100 after the byes…. and I was silly to pick him last year. But has found a spot in my team this year again.

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 14:31
Matt Crouch is a valid pick this year. Sometimes we pick players a season early, I did it with Kelly last year.

Seb · 10/03/2017 at 16:25
Yep exactly what I just did with crouch, but am taking another change on him

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 17:55
Yeah same.

Scott · 11/03/2017 at 01:03
Very popular and in Jock's team…

Troy · 10/03/2017 at 11:51
Like it

John James · 10/03/2017 at 12:15
I've had M.Crouch at M5 and Oliver M6 from the start,both should score over their. BE.A risk I know, I could upgrade Crouch and downgrade Oliver,but I haven't.Would be happy for them to end up as my M7 and M8.

neil Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 13:40
Think youre on the money brownlow boy both astute picks love to see ur team

John James · 10/03/2017 at 15:12
OK neil I don't usually put my team out there but hear we go. Adam's, Laird, Tuohy, Mills, Hampton, Vickers, /Newman, Stewart. Dange, Pendles, Zorko, Fyfe, M.Crouch, Oliver, O'Meara, Powell-Pepper,/Barrett,Miles,Hibberd. Grundy,Sandilands,/Preuss. Dahlhaus,Buddy,Roughy,Steele,Taranto,Houston,/Begley,Eddy. I did have Max as R1,but as soon as the Dees started with Spencer as second ruck,I traded him out,still not happy about it,had Max from the start last year as my R1.

John James · 10/03/2017 at 15:15
That should have been here not hear.

BrownlowBoy · 10/03/2017 at 15:51
Are you talking to me Neil?

John James · 10/03/2017 at 16:34
Sorry I thought Neil meant me since 'John James' won the Brownlow in 1961.

BrownlowBoy · 10/03/2017 at 16:43
Yeah I had no idea who he was talking to haha

Jake · 10/03/2017 at 15:21
I wouldn't sell Treloar, I'd trade Oliver down to Swallow or O'meara and Tuohy up to someone like Shaw.

Scott · 11/03/2017 at 01:56
My physio mate is concerned with Beams' injury recurring…not so with JOM. I've changed out Beams on that basis…Just saying…:)

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 12:21
I like the look of Tim Taranto. Still scratching my head how he got up from the Buddy bump

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 14:33
Looks a likely rd 1 starter as well.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 14:39
He does. You've got the something incredible to crack that team as an 18 year old. I see more upside in McGrath & McLuggage but this blokes ready to rumble right now

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 17:58
Personally prefer him to Swallow or JOM. Lower price, quicker cash generation, should average 70+

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 18:06
No arguement here jib. As it stands I have all of them

BlakeyP · 10/03/2017 at 19:30
Think it was the other 200k rookie McClug that got the Buddy treatment

Northerner · 11/03/2017 at 07:03
No. It was Taranto. He's firming for me. Rookie FWDs are fickle. He spent large time forward last night, much more than other JLT games where he had more time on the ball and did not look out of place. Even with more forward time he scored 75pts. I'll take that. He's a pure midfielder and got his DPP by virtue of the number of goals he kicked last year as a mid.
I don't think I've seen him have a clanger yet. If he does cough the ball up it has been to a contested situation. Very unusual for a rookie – EVW a case in point last night. The GWS tsunami messed with his head and his decision making got exposed. Played poorly, but Scott hopefully will treat as a learning experience.

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 12:24
New on here. How much hard earned we talking ? Also how decent / completely useless do we need to be ?

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 12:27
$100. To be honest Wood there is some very high level players in the leagues. You'd want to know what your doing

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 12:32
Righto. We talking top 5 and 10 % or the elite 1 and 2% ?

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 12:41
Top 1% to have any chance Woody. Great challenge

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 12:51
Cheers. Seems I'd most likely be donating then. I'll have a think over the next couple days and see if I've got the testicles to give it crack. In the meantime I'll keep using the crap out of this beautiful group to get on the right path. Keep up the good work lads.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 12:56
Great place to learn the craft Wood

Beastiano · 10/03/2017 at 13:07
Ive emailed jock mate

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 13:57
Beast Neil & Nath check your email. Check junk mail as well

Phil · 10/03/2017 at 17:13
Hi Pieman, I'd like to jump in if there's still a spot? Cheers mate

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 17:17
Email Jock & ill be in touch

Bezo56 · 10/03/2017 at 20:16
Was great pitting my overseas witts against you in the MW Wines league last season Pieman, but I don't think I've got the restoration to put my money where my pommie mouth is! Hope to see you in that league again this year. Still some places up for grabs, have a word with Mr Ruddick.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 21:17
G'day bezo. Hope your well mate. There is more criteria to that league like playing DT. Which doesn't interest me in the spud trophy battle. So I dont fit the role. But geez there aren't many better fantasy footballers than Dancing Dave. Year in year out gun

Marco_Polo94 · 10/03/2017 at 12:53
Has looked pretty good so far mate, McVeigh out early stages of the season too should mean he has a higher output.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 13:01
If you are looking for a midprice breakout in defence then Mills and Tuohy would probably be the two leading candidates right now.
Asking a 2nd year player to be a top 10 defender may be a little too much although he has the talent and opportunity to make that a reality, even if it's unlikely in the eyes of most coaches. Not enough value as a stepping stone so would need to be a season long keeper if you were to planning to start him. Not for me but I can understand the appeal.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:24
well said re Mills. I have been very keen on him all preseason. He is/will be my only midpricer (except for sandi).
I prefer to have midpricers who are Fallen Premiums and usually avoid second year players. So Mills is crossing (not ticking) all the boxes.
He would also be at starting D3, looks a bit thin without Simmo, Shaw or Docherty.
With heeney not playing i thought Mills would be a lock, but with McVeigh injured, i know that Mills will play the half back role and score nice 85-90's.
If i get Simmo instead, will Simmo score 120's to justify the extra cash, but in turn will he save me a trade? To make the cash, i would have to have Barrett/Wigg etc instead of Swallow, so there is a loss of points there.
Simmo and Rookie OR Mills and Swallow?
Right now, Mills is in my team.

Liam · 10/03/2017 at 14:35
He will float between midfield and defence. Lock for me will average around 95 which is good enough for D6.
Will pick up Shaw, Simmo and Doc when they drop, not keen to pay those prices for defenders.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 13:24
I'm guessing he's still a super valid pick based on his 2014 scoring pedigree. However I can understand why some coaches are jumping off and over to JOM given what we can surmise their relative roles will be this season and what it may mean from a fantasy output perspective.
Definitely an argument could be made for starting both depending on rookies and structures but right now you would have to say JOM is the slightly more enticing midpriced pick, especially if he again produces the goods on Sunday and gets through unscathed and is named for Rd1 obviously.

Rick Grimes · 10/03/2017 at 13:24
I feel the same MP. I think Brodie might be a better pick, if he gets a gig.

Crowls · 10/03/2017 at 18:59
Agree, though Rocket sounds committed to waiting to give Brodie a start. Therefore a likely downgrade option later in the year.

Phil · 10/03/2017 at 17:17
All my mid pricers are put on notice this weekend and must perform.
Sadly, David didn't do enough last night, and as such will not be a required player at my club this year. We wish David all the best for 2017 and will never forget his contribution in 2014.

Moustachio · 11/03/2017 at 16:48
Any playing rookie will be better than just about any midpricer. It all comes down to which mid rookies are playing R1

Off The Bench · 10/03/2017 at 13:48
He was very very good. Easy marks on the lead, ball on a platter. He was already in my side, now locked given he will likely be a top 6 forward.

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 14:14
And yet he still just scraped 100. I think that's Clocks point.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:31
Hey Clock, i've been talking about Clubs returning to the two Ruckman structure all preseason. Thought it might happen as the season progressed as i could see most clubs had strengthened their big man departments, but needed to get game time into some of these big boys.
We are shifting back to the Pre-sub rule days of teams running two ruckmen. However, the big difference is the number of interchanges. Pre sub days it was 160 and the ruckmen would rest on the bench, now they have to rest in the forward line, therefore ruckmen need to have some other skills, but they are learning fast. Means they have much higher TOG than before.
Also, the deliberate out of bounds has reduced the number of stoppages by at least 21%, therefore Clubs are going with more Nimble ruckmen who can get around the ground alot more.
it is the death of the Lone Wolf ruckman alright.
I love how Gawn had trimmed down, looking very Nimble!

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 15:04
SC scores are often a little out of kilter in the preseason with extended benches and a lot of the established players not quite going at 100% and doing everything they usually do in a regular h&a game for premiership points. So wouldn't read too much into it.
JJK should again be a top 10 forward this season but like most KPPs it will probably be a roller coaster ride, so just make sure you bring your barf bag as you may need it at times if you are starting with him. 🙂

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 13:40
I'd be more comfortable going 1 more premium deeper in the midfield so Wigg wasn't your M8. Obviously it would be at the detriment of one of your other lines.

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 13:59
Yeah I'd probably be more comfy as well. That said, It'd mean Reiwoldt out (who I'm confident will finish a top 10 forward) for a Coniglio or T.Mitchell (not as confident on finishing top 10 Mid)

Phil · 10/03/2017 at 17:23
For the price you're paying for Riewoldt you'd want him to be better than top10…more like top2 or 3, otherwise he should be an upgrade target. Having said that, I reckon he will finish number 1 so he's in my team currently.

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 18:01
Yep. I'm with ya. Can't see him finishing outside the top few.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 13:42
That's the hot topic right now both here and on Twitter. A fortnight ago many coaches had the Gawnsta locked at R1 with concerns over both Goldy and Grundy but it just goes to show that lock is nothing more than a meaningless label we try to convince ourselves with.
No doubt the lads will mull it all over on the next podcast so will be interesting to see where they all land after some time to digest the matter. Higgo is already asking the question:
https://twitter.com/PeterHiggo/status/83979625706…

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 16:11
No

Loophole · 10/03/2017 at 19:31
Yes

Northerner · 11/03/2017 at 07:25
He looks up and about and will generate more points than he's costing you imo. Will have a good year and looks like he's got an extra spring in his step this season. Ignore points from JLT 1, but in 2 and 4 he's scored pretty well.
However won't be a keeper. So at that price a no for me. If you are looking at enhancing your early round on field point scoring and using him as a stepping stone there's some validity in that, but he won't make much cash and that strategy will cost you a trade. He's also Rd 12 bye which does add appeal.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 14:11
Nice idea Derek although let's face it who isn't concerned with trying to achieve the best rank possible, especially at the start of a season, before everything goes pear shaped and then we have to resign ourselves to focussing on leagues. 🙂
I joined yesterday btw.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 14:27
I'm looking forward to taking your hard earned SCA lol

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 15:13
With all your cash leagues up and going and no doubt countless H2H bets on the side you are all set for a huge cash windfall in 2017 Pieman.
Now all INP Arbitrage has to do is go out there and actually perform. It sounds so easy right? 🙂

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 16:09
Could be a very expensive season SCA! Very heavily invested into SC 2017! I still can't believe you challenged the bye master in that head to head bet

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 16:56
a few years ago jock had a number of leagues that people were able to move through on a promotion and relegation system. there was also the qualifiers group (and a donners group). the ultimate was to make the Premier Jock reynolds League. i'm sure you were part of that.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 18:04
Yep. Jock won the premier league from 8th once

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 18:11
any chance Jock will start that again?

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 18:19
Unlikely. The lads are pretty time poor with the CK expansion. I've started the cash leagues instead. 2 this year & see how that goes

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 22:05
I'll be in those cash leagues with bells on next year – final year uni this year = no cash leagues for me

Jib_Jib · 10/03/2017 at 22:06
Hey that link isn't working for me, not sure if anyone else is having the same problem?

Bombers56 · 11/03/2017 at 11:14
the links not working for me either

Tony · 13/03/2017 at 22:08
Hi Guys, does anyone have the correct link to the JR Community Rank group?

Zee888 · 10/03/2017 at 14:21
Something I did separately was create a top 10 list for DEF, MID and FWD. As in.. I made a list predicting who would be top 10 by end of this year. If you are picking premos who dont fall within your top 10 in each line.. why are you including them? So my point it: not sure on Prestia and Steven… Prestia more so.. i just dont see him being a top 10 mid. Otherwise: team looks good!

James · 10/03/2017 at 14:23
Can you suggest a better 2 to go with?

Zee888 · 10/03/2017 at 14:32
its a tough one because there is no one at that price point. Keep Steven – he's a great POD for you. But you are already holding a bit of risk in your mid with Beams, JOM and Swallow. I'd actually lose Adams or Touhy and play 3 premos and 3 rookies in defense.. use the money to buy a Pendles. Treloar, Hanners JPK.. get another ultra premo in your mid.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:37
Yep Zee. Ultra premo list is where i start and work backwards.

James · 10/03/2017 at 14:42
Any rookies you can suggest?

HumDinger · 10/03/2017 at 15:40
Spot on Zee, You Could even go a Touhy for Marchbank then split the extra upgrading Beams and Prestia. Too much risk with your mids. or Even cheaper still Stewart from Geelong

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 14:30
Shuey is definitely a valid pick. Jock has been a huge advocate of the kid over the years although he's never been quite able to take his game to the ultra elite level. Neither has Jock for that matter ha ha.
Can he join the 110+ club for the first time I'm not sure but Smitch can only help the cause. I'd still prefer Pridda for slightly more coin for at least we know he can do that – cracking 110 plus in 4 of the last 6 seasons and only just missing out in 2016.

Zee888 · 10/03/2017 at 14:37
I did have Pridda in actually but i was wondering if S.Mitch might hinder rather than help Priddis' output. I know everyone is SAYING that priddis will play better.. but they are both in and under players… so they could end up stealing points from each other.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 14:46
If you have doubts on Pridda and prefer Shuey then back your gut in I say. Both would be huge PODs for either good or bad at just 3% and 1% ownership respectively.

James · 10/03/2017 at 14:31
You need Dahlhaus in ur forward line. lock it

James · 10/03/2017 at 14:34
sorry didnt see his name

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 14:38
i see your post above. Do you have Shuey in your top 10 mids??…. and Beams?…and Roughie?

Zee888 · 10/03/2017 at 14:46
haha i knew someone would ask me this! Beams yes. Roughie is in, I'm a hawks supporter.. he is in.
Shuey… well… he's all I can afford so there's that.Or someone around his price point. My top 10 mids are: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Fyfe, Bont, Beams JPK, Selwood, TMitch, Neale…

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 16:52
the old "he's all i can afford…" answer. Shame on you. start again.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 17:02
Agree Derek. He's all I can afford always costs a trade

Zee888 · 11/03/2017 at 10:18
I'm not saying I'm going to hold him all year. Im purchasing someone who will bring in points and may trade to an ultra premo later on OR he has a cracker year and I hold him. Last year's winner only had 7 keepers in the end.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 17:09
Beams top 6. really?

Phil · 10/03/2017 at 17:42
Beams doesn't necessary have to finish top 10 by seasons end for mine. If he's top 10 by the bye rounds, gets himself injured…….. I'll happily trade him to a gun, satisfied that he's got me off to a great start and made me some coin.
In the Ol' days of 20 trades I'd never think like that. I had a 300k policy, meaning I'd never pay over that for someone who I didn't think was a keeper. Times have changed though and you gotta be more creative with those extra 10 trades.

Zee888 · 11/03/2017 at 10:16
I agree Phil. Last year's winner showed us that he only needed 7 keepers!

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 15:21
I think if you're going Beams it's with an eye on him being a keeper if he can stay fit. If purely true generate cash/stepping stone there's better options including swallow.

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 16:40
Indeed that is the hope. It may not turn out that way but if Beams can stay healthy all season he should be able to match it with any other M8 he faces in league finals. But if he does fall over mid season he should be worth more than his starting price to help ease that pain.
Swallow will probably be buggered off by time his Rd9 bye swings around for a quick and dirty cash grab by many coaches. So both selections are offering slightly different things for mine.

Keenbutclueless · 10/03/2017 at 16:02
If you work on 5.14, then Beams hits 540k, a profit 107.5k. Swallow hits 437k, a profit of 157.2k

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 16:11
Bang on Keen!

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 16:21
Cheers for the number work. Seems finding the rookies that'll generate 200k + are the better option. That'll require an avg of around 65 if I'm correct. Challenge now is finding who they are and will they keep their spot till they get the $$$ up that high. Fair chance I'm going to need another day of stress leave.

Phil · 10/03/2017 at 17:47
Keen is correct (in answering your question) however I think it's more complicated than that.
It would also depend on how you spend the extra cash. For example, if it's Beams + a rookie vs Swallow + a mid priced player, then most likely the rookie will make more coin than the mid pricer.
In your example, I think I'd possibly prefer Beams as he is only 5 points off a premium.

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 18:18
Yeah the possibilty of Beams as Keeper with the $$$ a well selected rookie could earn definitely seems the go over Swallow and another mid price.

Zee888 · 10/03/2017 at 15:19
Thumbs up. I really like this team.

jezzahill · 10/03/2017 at 15:21
Really like this team, James. Like the Steven pick as a bit of a POD!

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 15:46
Steven is almost certainly under-priced and quite durable with his only injury affected year back in 2014. The only knock I have on him is that he can go mysteriously missing for portions of games and seasons. For instance take late last year where he had 4 games in a row under 80pts (including a 56) around the time of the SC finals – ouch baby!
That said I intend picking him in DT as his preseason form has been impeccable, so hopefully he and his Sainters get off to a flyer and at his 2017 starting price he definitely offers value for mine.

Lazza · 10/03/2017 at 16:27
On first pass I like your on ground team … strong across all lines, can' t fault your FWD and RUC line. DEF line is strong, but I'd look at one of the Blue boys in place of Rance … he will be solid, but you wont get many, if any, super scores.
Note: Bolton wont play for some time, he's not ready for AFL, so that would be a wasted rookie .
Not counting Roughy, you have 4 players coming back from injury – 3 of these in the middle.
Not sure if you rate Steven to be Top 10, in 2016 he wasn't in the Top 25 … a big jump expected with little reasoning.. its not as if they have a class RUC to help him out. You have Titch who is similar profile, but now with more time in the middle than he did at Sydney.. So I'd be looking at swapping Steven for a guaranteed Top 10 – you have only 3 with risky Beams a potential fourth.
As it stands your team looks fairly balanced for the byes.

Northernsoul74 · 10/03/2017 at 15:24
Are you going Tom Lynch purely based on last night or have you had him for a while? He won't have a first half like he did last night every week.

Chenz · 10/03/2017 at 15:31
Nope had him for a while, I believe he's a great chance for all Australian this year and the Coleman.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 16:14
I'm calling this Spencergate!!! If he plays round 1 watch Gawn's ownership crash
By the way Neil check your email mate. Replied to you about the cash league

neil Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 18:47
all good INP IN ON TUESDAY what do I do then and how do I check it out many thxcheers NEIL

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 19:01
All details on your email buddy

Clokey · 10/03/2017 at 16:14
That might be a bit of heart thinking instead of brain thinking Niel, it's not like Danger is about to lose 25% of his on ball time like Max is

neil Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 19:12
IF and a big if Franky plays .Watts and Pederson still doing ruck drills at Cranbourne good luck at your new club mate Cheers

SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 16:27
Got the usuals in Eddy and Black but will probably pass on Pickett if more attractive options present this weekend.
Also have an eye on Knight, Taranto and WHE but those $200K guys need to not only suggest improved JS but also superior point production over the $120K guys to interest me and I have my doubts on all 3 there.
Lastly I might consider using a loop F8 donut guy depending on final structures.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 16:50
Knight, Simpkin & Shoenmakers (Hayward & Eddy)

Monitor · 10/03/2017 at 17:18
Houston from port as something different

Browncow · 10/03/2017 at 20:28
Simpkin and Turner about to gain in popularity for F5 / F6

Youngster · 12/03/2017 at 11:20
Is Shoenmakers worth it? His previous scores are ordinary to say the least. If he's playing he's better than a rookie who's dropped after a few games but that seems about the extent of it. What does your Hawthorn intel reveal Derek?

Derek · 12/03/2017 at 12:01
Clarko will play McEvoy and Tyrone as the two ruckmen, resting deep in goal square. Roughie looks like playing centre half forward and crashing through stoppages to combate other teams big midfielders. Gunston will be more on the wing running hard end to end. No Hill and Hartung playing as the running half back gives Gunston freedom. Sicily looks like he has moved to defence, was taking a lot of the kick ins.
Shoenmakers will play the second tall forward. He can make a contest and attract a tall defender, get the ball on ground and let Cyril and Breaust do their thing. He is a good set shot and should kick a goal or two.
I think his JS is good. He will give 100%. Don't expect much better than 55-60 from him though.

Youngster · 12/03/2017 at 21:44
Thanks Derek, that's interesting. $155k for a guy who should play every game (at least until he's upgraded) is probably good enough. I guess we have to be prepared to use a corrective trade on this if it doesn't work out. If he makes my team, he'll have to be on the bench as I roll the dice on a rookie to outscore him…

Jib_Jib · 11/03/2017 at 01:13
Shoenmakers, Black (Hayward & Eddy). Also have Taranto and Miles in the mids.

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 16:31
Hurn has had ownership of kick in duties for the last 45 years over there. Can't see them handing it over to Wellingham. Might be just a pre season trial thing they're giving a go. More importantly, do you really want a bloke called Sharrod in your side ?

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 16:57
Sharrod Av 63 from 18 games last season. That's putrid. His preseason numbers are called "The Lumumba Trap". Move on, nothing to see here!

Wood · 10/03/2017 at 18:20
"The Lumumba Trap". Brilliant. Could not have put it any better.

Momitor · 10/03/2017 at 17:15
He will get rested for some away games so be wary

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 18:09
TOG will be limited therefore won't have a high ceiling.

Holty · 10/03/2017 at 18:56
I think 39 touches and only scoring 85 points is a good sign in itself not to pick him.

Scott · 12/03/2017 at 01:03
And Lycett now dislocated shoulder.

INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 17:22
Taranto

BrownlowBoy · 10/03/2017 at 17:22
Maybe Miles? Maybe Taranto?

The BONT · 10/03/2017 at 17:49
already have miles and i think Taranto will struggle to get a game

Rivo · 10/03/2017 at 18:56
Reckon Taranto will be named Round 1. Keep an eye on selections. Already highly rated in a strong list.

Jib_Jib · 11/03/2017 at 01:11
All signs out of GWS are that Taranto will play rd 1

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 18:08
Atley might get early games

Phil · 10/03/2017 at 18:10
atley by far

wombatsfc · 10/03/2017 at 20:34
Multiply the total minutes of a game by the % of game time that the player had, then divide that number by the amount of points the player scored. The result should be the ppm

Moustachio · 11/03/2017 at 16:56
Actually that would be minutes per point =p

BrownlowBoy · 10/03/2017 at 18:08
Better options

Randomcliche2 · 11/03/2017 at 02:41
I cut him 2 weeks ago 🙁

Dean · 11/03/2017 at 20:19
He bloody LOCK

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 18:07
it looks odd, as i have had a no hawks policy the last few years. great team but poor SC options.
All 4 look ok for this year. I would also have a good look at Shoenmakers at F6.

Dean · 10/03/2017 at 18:40
Do you have any Hawks players this season?

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 19:34
Right now I have TMitch, Cyril and Shoenmakers.

Dean · 10/03/2017 at 19:26
I also don't usually chose Hawks players, apart from Gunston, I thought you brought in Gunston last season? Tmitch without Hanners, JPK & Parker is something I cannot ignore and I see him averaging 110.
Gunston has been one of the most consistent players to play in a SC forward position and now that Mitchell & Lewis are gone I'm certain he will play more in the guts and average 100+
I personally have never owned Roughead in the past, however he is another player who has averaged around the 100 mark for 5 consecutive seasons, you gotta have him this season due to his price and doesn't have injury concerns like many others who are priced around his price.
What Hawks players do you have this season?
I cannot fit schoenmakers in because I have enough Hawks players however due to his $155k price tag he is a awesome Cash cow prospect and will be in Hawks best 22 so theirs no worries about him playing Round 1 providing he remains sound.

Derek · 10/03/2017 at 18:05
no NicNat. dunno

Swans2012 · 10/03/2017 at 18:12
I'm keen on gaff but don't think he'll push over about 105 average which is a win @490k (I think he is) but still no mans land as far as top 10 mids go.

Browncow · 10/03/2017 at 20:13
Agree with Swans – value but not top 10. Get yourself a Fantasy team MM and slot Gaff into that. Shuey might break into premo category – NicNat did seem to look for him in the middle though.

Scott · 12/03/2017 at 01:06
Lycett done a shoulder

Dean · 10/03/2017 at 22:45
For a side that has Sandilands & Nankervis as your two ruck selections. Your team looks like a train wreck to be brutality honest.
Your defence is still quite week by not having Shaw, no idea what people see in Marchbank at $235k also I personally am not a fan of Mills but that's just a personal thing.
Your team needs TOTAL restructuring only because SIX of your players are injury prone & 5 of those are in your midfield. You also have far to many mid priced players such as Marchbank, Beams, JOM, Swallow, Sandilands, Nankervis, Roughead & a high priced rookie in Taranto.
I don't mean to be rude but I think you should look at your side properly and FIRSTLY decide what ELITE PREMO players you personally really love regardless what others think, when I say ELITE PREMO'S I mean players such as Danger, JPK, Treloar, Fyfe, Adams, Laird, Riewoldt, Dahlhaus, Lynch and start that way and restructure the rest of your team.
This is just advise mate, starting in DEFENCE:
I personally would get rid off Marchbank and put in Otten save yourself $113,000 even though Otten suffers with injury problems his price is far to cheap to ignore as a cash cow, Also consider fitting in Shaw in your defence and I would get rid of Mills myself.
YOUR MIDFIELD:
As for your midfield players, You have a midfield full of injury prone elite & midpriced such as Hall, Beams, JOM, Swallow & Fyfe to a lesser extent but everyone has him including myself so Fife is fine.
Out of Hall, Beams, JOM & Swallow – I strongly suggest that you select no more then two of them.
YOUR RUCK:
You have no Ruck backup at all don't count on Preuss mate.
I strongly suggest you swap Preuss with Cameron or any Ruck that has DPP (FWD/RUCK) then in your forward bring in Lycett as this will give you RUCK cover which you SERIOUSLY must have especially if you stick with your current Ruck.
I personally would get rid of Nankervis and put either Goldy or Gawn in and have Sandilands as your R2 and either stick with Lycett in the forward as a Ruck back up or if you prefer stick with Nankervis in your forward line as your ruck back up.
YOUR FORWARD:
Roughead I like, I have him like most people do.
However Taranto's price scares the hell out of me, only because he plays for GWS who have more players with decent ability then any other side in the competition, if he played for the Lions then sure I would LOCK him in but my concern even if selected for Round 1 is how many games will he get overall, if he has a average day which 90% rookies do, then a side such as GWS have another 10 players lining up waiting to replace below average players and GWS this year aren't the GWS of old, they are premiership favorites because of the great players they have along with the quality back up players they have waiting to jump in as soon as a player under-preforms.
I would swap Taranto with someone like Derek stated in (Schoenmakers) a player priced at a rookies price ($155,100) but he has played for the Hawks for 8 seasons already, he will make Hawks top 22 and will generate you cash without a doubt and will play Round 1 providing he remains uninjured.
Also keep an eye out on these rookies in the forward (Houston & Black)
Just try and eliminate so many injury prone players along with so many mid priced players. I hope this helps mate. Good luck!!!

Monitor · 10/03/2017 at 17:16
Keep him I have had him from day 1. Mind you I also have gaff!! Both in line for big years

John · 10/03/2017 at 19:44
Back yo self

Don't Blush Baby · 10/03/2017 at 22:03
Is he going to be in the Top 10 ?

Scott · 12/03/2017 at 01:07
Lycett done shoulder

Nick · 10/03/2017 at 19:41
like this team a lot. i feel like marchbank is a huge risk, and i also think beams is a must have this year which u should consider fitting in

Rivo · 10/03/2017 at 19:52
Thanks Nick. Risk with Marchbank though he is not a keeper. Stepping stone for the byes at this stage. Ageee on Beams though to fit him in means either JOM or Swallow have to go.

Nick · 10/03/2017 at 20:17
and zach guthrie is injured so should change him out

De ui · 10/03/2017 at 20:27
When did this happen?

Nick · 10/03/2017 at 20:48
im pretty sure he did someting to his knee not that long ago

Rivo · 10/03/2017 at 21:09
Don't think so Nick. He's played both JLT games. Are you maybe referring to his brother, Cam, who did his calf a few weeks ago?

Scott · 11/03/2017 at 02:32
I have t seen any of Beams' games. Is he right to go? My physio mate was worried as he had a man ch more serious injury than JOM and when it comes to 4 points that might come kncking. I had had m in my team before that. Cheers

The BONT · 10/03/2017 at 20:08
$246,000 leftover

Seb · 10/03/2017 at 20:21
Upgrade atley to JOM or Taranto, not sure about atley job security

neil Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 20:43
you fixed the forwards up The whole team looks good Atley is the brother to norths lad .From memory he captained Bendigo pioneers was an in and under like Libba Agree with M5 plus Swallow just got to get rookies right Cheers neil

Dean · 10/03/2017 at 23:08
You answered your own question yourself mate. OUTRAGEOUS!!!

One's Bowler · 11/03/2017 at 00:10
If the Nank is so highly thought of I don't see why this lad at a lower price is irrelevant?

Scott · 12/03/2017 at 01:12
I'm not spending those bucks given his uncertainty. There does not appear to be a clear 1,2 rock combo this year so upgrade after see what happens. Means more cash for premos elsewhere.

Top Hawk · 10/03/2017 at 23:24
Anonymous you shit!
He Bloody LOCK !!
Welcome!

Top Hawk · 10/03/2017 at 23:43
WTF Bowler? What is your point?

One's Bowler · 10/03/2017 at 23:54
My point is he's a champion but beware picking him. I don't think he'll play 22 games and his high disposal games do not necessarily equate to large SC scores.

One's Bowler · 11/03/2017 at 22:12
Couldn't have phrased it better Delight. Concur.

Scott · 12/03/2017 at 01:13
Sheet . Lycett done shoulder