SuperCoach Significance Report: GCS v WBD
Everywhere I went today people were asking me “How do you think Gary is going to go?”
“Gary sucks!” I’d yell at them. “I’ve never seen a worse player in my life!” I said to one particularly confused passer-by who stopped me along Rundle Mall while I was getting lunch (Hawaiian pizza, because pineapple belongs on pizza, no matter what that moron Guðni Th. Jóhannesson says).
Of course, it wasn’t until Jock reminded me I’d be covering the Gold Coast VS Western Bulldogs match that I realized people were talking about Gary Ablett and not my mate Gary I play golf with who should be called a gardener since he spends so much time looking for his ball in the bushes.
So, just how did Gary go? Well, he had just 3 disposals in the first quarter. I know, I know, that’s about 10 less than normal. The good news however is he managed to kick 2 goals with those disposals, so that’s a pass. He then moved into the midfield in the 2nd quarter and racked up 8 disposals and 4 clearances. Just doing his thing no matter where he is on the ground.
The game was one of two halves (who’d of thought that’d happen at a footy game?), the Suns dominated in the first with some quality run and carry, as well as some good defending and rebounding in the back half. The Suns booted 11 goals in the first half to the Bullies 4 and then the momentum switched, with the Bullies kicking 10 goals (including 3 super goals) to the Suns 5 to take out the game by 21 points. As for how the players faired from a Supercoach perspective.
GOLD COAST
Gary Ablett | MID | $620,600
The good news is he didn’t sit forward the whole game, with Ablett spending the first quarter forward and then rotating into the midfield in the second. He finished the first half with 47 SCPoints and the game with 22 disposals, 4 clearances and 2 goals from 81% ToG. I won’t be picking him, but it looks like I’m not the only one…
Officially putting a line through Ablett. I have seen enough. #SuperCoach
— Peter J Higginbotham (@PeterHiggo) March 9, 2017
Michael Barlow | MID | $533,200
Looks like he’ll be continuing his Fremantle form into 2017 with the Suns, with 13 disposals and 56 SCPoints in the first half and had 29 disposals, 9 marks, 2 clearances and a goal. Quality game, but will likely be just short of being a premo and no longer has that FWD eligibility.
Aaron Hall | MID | $519,800
Racked up a ton of possessions in the first half, especially across half back with 17 disposals and 4 rebound 50’s and 59 SCPoints in the first half. Led the game with 36 disposals (30 uncontested), 7 marks and 6 rebound 50’s. He blew the bloody doors off at the start of last year and tapered off towards the end, but he’s super talented and will be a POD if you pick him.
Tom J. Lynch | FWD | $507,200
The guy is probably going to win the Coleman this year and I’m not just saying that because he booted 5 goals in the first half. Could only kick one more to finish the game with 6 goals, along with 9 disposals and 6 marks. Sounds like a few may take a chance on grabbing him.
Jarryd Lyons | MID | $490,900
Suns got a bargain with Lyons only costing them pick 43. He had 12 disposals, 4 clearances and 4 inside 50’s in the first half. Finished the game with 17 disposals, 4 clearances, 7 tackles and 4 inside 50’s. No longer a FWD eligible player, like Barlow, he won’t score enough to justify picking him in the middle.
Pearce Hanley | MID | $471,600
Scored 47 SCPoints in the first half from 12 disposals and 4 clearances. Did a ton of work in the middle, leading the game with 8 clearances, along with 23 disposals and 7 inside 50’s. He’s been a star in the past, could he regain that form?
Touk Miller | MID/FWD | $428,900
Notched up 13 first half disposals, but had 12 uncontested in there and finished with 20 disposals and 6 tackles. May still be considered a FWD play by a few, but there are risks.
Kade Kolodjashnij | DEF | $375,400
Finished the first quarter with 9 disposals at 100% efficiency, but all were uncontested. Finished the half with 16 touches and 55 SCPoints and the game with 29 touches. He burned me bad last year and I said some mean things about him in the off-season. I might have to take it back if he can continue this form. The classic mid-priced risk.
Jarrod Witts | RUC | $217,600
Did some good work in the ruck, tapping 19 hitouts in the first half along with 51 SCPoints. He had 14 disposals, 4 clearances and 31 hitouts. This has probably done quite a lot towards restoring our confidence in picking him as a R2/R3.
Ben Ainsworth | MID/FWD | $198,300
Recorded 3 tackles in the first half, but not a single possession. Ended the game with 3 disposals and 1.1. Not enough there to justify picking him at his price.
Will Brodie | MID | $175,800
Didn’t see the field in the first half and got a little bit of junk time at the end of the game to finish with 3 disposals. Just 15% ToG for him, so hard to judge.
Jack Bowes | MID/FWD | $171,300
Guessing from the fact that he played 72% ToG, while Ainsworth got 60% and Brodie got 15% that he’s the GC rookie with the biggest chance of being there in Round 1. He had 11 disposals and 2 tackles for the game.
David Swallow | MID | $280,200
Spent some time in the forward line, kicking a goal in the first half and had a goal and 10 possessions and 37 SCPoints at the half. Ended the game with 20 disposals, 4 marks, 2 clearances, 4 tackles and a goal. Lots of bodies to be thrown about in the midfield it looks like, so his time there may be limited to start.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
Marcus Bontempelli | MID | $586,100
Spent some time forward, but still got plenty of work in with 25 disposals, 5 clearances and a goal. Had an ankle injury earlier in the pre-season, but didn’t look like it was slowing him down at all. I wouldn’t hesitate to pick him if you were interested in him before the JLT series started.
Matthew Boyd | DEF | $563,900
He had 6 rebound 50’s, but only 17 disposals. Will need to do more than that if you are to pick him.
Robert Murphy | DEF | $392,300
Murphy had 18 disposals and 3 rebound 50’s. His price puts him in that really risky category. He hasn’t averaged below 84 SCPoints since 2010, but it’s a big ask for him to get back to that level after coming back from an ACL.
Jake Stringer | FWD | $410,100
Looked like he may be back to that 2015 level of form, Stringer looked fantastic today with 1 Supergoal, 3 normal goals, 26 disposals, 6 marks and 2 clearances. There’s risks in picking him and he may not be super consistent, but if he can put up games like that with some frequency, his should score very well.
Luke Dahlhaus | MID/FWD | $520,700
Ended the first half with 11 disposals, 5 marks and 3 inside 50’s and finished with 27 disposals, 6 marks, 4 clearances and 5 inside 50’s. You can safely lock him up in your forward line I’d think.
Jack Macrae | MID/FWD | $511,700
He had 14 first half disposals and 4 tackles. Didn’t do as much in the 2nd half, finishing the game with 22 disposals, 6 tackles, 3 marks and a goal. Will likely hold his current price and average for the year, so is still in play as a F2/F3 selection.
Tom Liberatore | MID | $494,100
Led the Bullies with 28 disposals, and 4 clearances. I think we know his ceiling by now, which is good, but not likely to be at a premo level.
Travis Cloke | FWD | $354,900
“The Bear in the Square” as Dermie described him, he failed to score a goal and had 13 disposals and 5 marks. Not worth the risk, certainly don’t think he’ll be jumping back up to having a 90 point average again.
Tom Boyd | RUC/FWD | $290,300
Aided a bit by 4 frees for in the first half, he also had 10 hitouts 2 clearances and 6 disposals. Ended the game with 27 hitouts, 5 clearances and 15 disposals. He looks to be the primary ruck going forwards for the Doggies, an interesting (and risky) pick though.
Timothy English | RUC | $130,800
Named and suited up, but the Doggies decided to replicate a real game and only used 22 players, so English sat on the sidelines (he might have stood for periods, I wasn’t watching him the entire time).
Marcus Adams | DEF | $438,700
Same as above, which might mean Adams won’t be there in Round 1 for the Doggies?
And that’s it for my review, but there were some quality players in the mix from this game..
..so what are your thoughts on the Bulldogs VS Suns game, Community?
@BarronVonCrow
142 Comments
Eric_the_Red · 09/03/2017 at 21:14
Top stuff, Barron. Love your work. This JLT series is playing havoc with my structures. What are your thoughts on the line with the best rookies available so far? Defence looks ok.
Kev · 09/03/2017 at 21:18
Definitely defence. I reckon we'll see many teams with a 2/1/5 or 2/0/6 structure.
Plenty of forwards, no real 117/123k standout though
Eric_the_Red · 09/03/2017 at 21:22
Yeah thats what I reckon Kev. I'm seriously considering a 2/0/6 structure but just looking at it gives me anxiety. Keen to run deep in mids (to M7), but then FWDs look weak. Tell me again why we play this game?
Cr0magn0n · 09/03/2017 at 23:21
I currently have a 2-0-6 defence structure. It doesn't sit well but we have to adapt to what we've been given to work with.
Tyruddanaut · 09/03/2017 at 21:27
I agree with jock that 6 rooks is way too much. The 2nds don't count for SC you have to realize
Clokey · 09/03/2017 at 21:30
Houston from Port has looked pretty good Kev
Northernsoul74 · 09/03/2017 at 21:32
I'm concerned he won't stay in the port team long enough to make cash when Pittard returns.
Clokey · 10/03/2017 at 08:13
Pittard will be out for 3-5 weeks
Dee · 10/03/2017 at 00:46
2-1-5
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:11
Definitely looks like DEF. A few more expensive options like your Marchbanks in there, but we also got Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis, Hibberd, Otten, Guthrie etc who all look like getting a game and might actually score well too.
There's a few options up forward too, but I don't think they have the greatest scoring potential.
Someone will reveal themselves to us (not in a flasher sort of way) by the time round 1 starts.
Ben · 10/03/2017 at 16:30
I can't see Guthrie getting a game with his small frame and all the Cats options in defence. Has certainly been one of the better players for them throughout the JLT but I reckon they'll be patient with him and look to build up his strength over the next few years.
Northernsoul74 · 09/03/2017 at 21:15
Stringer certainly looks like the weight of the world is off his shoulders after his personal issues. Been very good in all the JLT games. Tempting but currently already have Dahl and Macrae.
SCaddict · 09/03/2017 at 21:29
Yeah I wouldn't get sucked in by Stringer mate. He's teased us in meaningless preseason games before.So buyer beware and whilst there is a Supercoach return policy it does cost a precious trade. 🙂
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 06:49
Flap that.
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 07:00
Nobody mentions Caleb Daniel………..would take him over Stringer anytime. Take him over Wingard, Heeney etc too………..
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:11
Agree mate, i'm sticking by Dahl.
Mitch · 09/03/2017 at 21:17
Tossing up between A.Hall or J.Kelly for my POD in the midfield, who would you all go?
Currently sitting Danger, Kennedy, Fyfe, Hall, Beams, O'Meara, Swallow, Powell-Pepper
Eric_the_Red · 09/03/2017 at 21:23
Go Hall. Bugger it. Upgrade him at the byes. He's likely to come out blazing and then slow down. Could be a good move.
Tyruddanaut · 09/03/2017 at 21:28
I wouldn't do 3 mid-pricers
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 06:49
4 if you count Beams, risky but high reward as three of them are quality players if they stay on the park. Big IF.
Danners · 09/03/2017 at 21:49
By going one of them with what you already have presents you with 4 big risks. All of them could come out and be exactly what we want them to be or that could be below expectations and get injured or not score as well, etc.
Tommo09 · 09/03/2017 at 21:17
Liked Gaz and Lynch today!
But dont know if Gaz will stay in my team.
DaleKickett · 09/03/2017 at 21:19
how'd JJ go tonight?
Tyruddanaut · 09/03/2017 at 21:30
17 Disposals, 11 kicks but won't score high sc
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:12
Kind of "meh" for mine. Bulldogs were plenty rubbish in the first half though, so he can do better if they have a 4 quarter effort.
The BONT · 09/03/2017 at 21:19
What should i do with Brodie
Eric_the_Red · 09/03/2017 at 21:24
Its been him v Bowes for me lately. But now I don't know if I want either. Downgrade him and pocket the cash?
Burnmen · 09/03/2017 at 21:54
Agreed neither.
Go cheap rooks up to 130k I reckon. (other than Black and Hampton but I wouldn't count them as rooks)
SCaddict · 09/03/2017 at 21:25
Will probably have to dump him. If Rocket was serious playing him Rd1 then Brodie surely would've got more than a handful of junk minutes at the end?? Just 15% TOG!
TRIGGER HAPPY · 09/03/2017 at 21:32
100% addict if he was gonna roll out rd 1 would have been 75% plus tonight
Still rate him highly will look for him once the season kicks off.
Kev · 09/03/2017 at 21:44
Remember Rocket saying ages ago Brodie will be ready to go mid year? Stick with that. Bowes is a better choice
Danners · 09/03/2017 at 21:39
Find a cheaper rookie
The BONT · 10/03/2017 at 17:11
who is a cheaper rookie that is relyable
Tyruddanaut · 09/03/2017 at 21:22
I've always looked at hall for a POD and I decided he's done enough to be put in my team. Any thoughts on my new one would be appreciated
Def: Doch, Laird, Touhy, Marchbank, Hampton, Ed VW (Newman, Guthrie)
Mid: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Fyfe, Tmich, Hall, JOM, Brodie (SPP, hibberd, bolts)
Ruck: Gawn, Sandiballs(English)
Fwd: Dahl, Franklin, Roughy, Taranto, Black, Pickett (Houston, Eddy)
Northernsoul74 · 09/03/2017 at 21:30
Why English at R3?
Tyruddanaut · 09/03/2017 at 21:31
To much of a risk at R2 and I'm sure he'll get games so sort of a cheap insurance
Northernsoul74 · 09/03/2017 at 21:41
I wasn't suggesting r2. I really don't think he will get many games at all this season unless there is a monumental injury crisis. He's way too underdeveloped to play afl ruck. Preuss or Cameron much more chance or just go cheap as you can and save something me cash.
Cr0magn0n · 10/03/2017 at 01:53
Agreed, English wont be playing
Tyruddanaut · 10/03/2017 at 06:30
I mean he could go at R1
Dean · 09/03/2017 at 22:23
Nice team, I like Tmich a lot and got him in my side.
However your safer going Shaw rather then Docherty because Shaw has averaged 100+ for 6 seasons in a row and Docherty just had a awesome year last season and the highest priced defenders more often then not score well below expected.
Just a suggestion even though I understand all rookies are subject to change until round 1 teams have been revealed but I wouldn't spend $236k on Marchbank even though he isn't officially a rookie.
You can get Otten for $123k who is a 28 year old player who has suffered tragically with injury but he will definitely generate you cash if named round 1 – His two games in the JLT series thus far have been 98 & 80 and he is a player who hasn't played a AFL game since Round 20 in 2014 so he hasn't played for 2 years but going by his JLT games he is a LOCK for mine albeit with injury risk but the same can be said with Marchbank.
If you're not a fan of Otten then get a cheap rookie such as Stewart who as a rule of thumb will usually generate you allot more cash compared to your $236k player who is very close to being a rookie. Out of all the tiers this season, there is no shortages of rookies in defence that's for sure. I will be very surprised if Guthrie played at AFL level this season, he needs to bulk up a lot more.
I'm not a fan of spending $200+l on Rookies when we have a ton of rookies to chose from, let alone this year when there are only a select few.
With that extra $113k you can get from getting rid of Marchbank you can upgrade Hall to any top midfielder you wish.
Good luck mate,
Chiefy · 09/03/2017 at 23:17
Docherty is on his way up and shaws on his way down pal. There'll be plenty of ball down carltons backline for Docherty to collect.
Tyruddanaut · 10/03/2017 at 06:36
I'm sure my boys at the blues (gun team) will wooden spoon this year and avg. 10 goal losses so that's why I have marchbank. The defense will get most of the ball, and marchbank will probably be in the best 22. I have docherty for the same reason but I'm not going for Shaw because of his age. He's 31 and Doch is 23 (risk not being the best 22 anymore XD I'm such a comedian) so he's pretty much in his prime age
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 06:55
Get ready for your mind to be blown. I'm not starting with either of them.
Derek · 10/03/2017 at 08:41
I think Weitering and Mills were both very good picks last year.
Last year we had many more rookies to pick from and they still stood out
TRIGGER HAPPY · 09/03/2017 at 21:30
Nice one BVC
What's the saying?
Golf: A beautiful walk spoiled by a little white ball.
I think your review is spot on, bowes based on tonight is most likely rd 1. But has he done enough so far to justify spend?
KK and hall are going well but geez could you seriously pick them in the season proper?
Gold coast could well be the lynch mob this year – big Tommy first upgrade fwd after rd 9 for mine.
Tyruddanaut · 09/03/2017 at 21:32
I think the extra 60k is alright if he's still under 200k so price isn't a massive issue at M8
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:18
My mate wonders why I usually stick with mini-golf. I tell him you get to have a nice stroll out in the sun, only have to carry one club and as the cherry on top, you get to abuse a papier mache gorilla when you can't get the ball in the hole.
The issue that looked like it may impact both KK and Hall is the fact they got nothing but uncontested ball. Hall getting 102 SCPoints from 36 touches and KK 85 SCPoints from 30 is not a very good return at all.
Dukes · 09/03/2017 at 21:32
Hampson lti makes nank a lock
Phil · 09/03/2017 at 21:33
Thoughts on Suckling?
TRIGGER HAPPY · 09/03/2017 at 21:34
Likes to kick a super goal or 3.
Gotta be a record that.
Dukes · 09/03/2017 at 21:35
I think scotty lucas kicked 5 supergoals once
TRIGGER HAPPY · 09/03/2017 at 21:37
Really? Wow that would have been a show.
Sven · 09/03/2017 at 22:13
Equals the record. Both Dylan Shiel and Scott Lucas kicked 3 in a game.
He may have also equalled or even surpassed Lucas's career mark of 7 supergoals tonight too…
Adam · 09/03/2017 at 21:37
lock
Danners · 09/03/2017 at 21:41
Too many good defenders at Bulldog land, better options around
Northernsoul74 · 09/03/2017 at 21:43
He loves JLT. Goes missing in the real stuff. His left peg is a weapon though.
Burnmen · 09/03/2017 at 21:53
Once a burnman always a burnman. Nah that comment is stupid but I'd still not pick him 🙂
SCaddict · 09/03/2017 at 21:54
On my never again list personally. Got sucked in last year when I thought his price bottomed out mid season but he didn't ton up after Rd13. A substantial injury risk too if recent history is any guide.
Patch · 10/03/2017 at 13:14
I held him all year, through injury and spudding it up. Like him as a player, but not as a supercoach option.
Jack · 09/03/2017 at 21:39
Thoughts on the team gents?
Def: Simpson, Rance, Laird
Hampton, Vicker-willis, Stewart (Smith, Melican)
Mid: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Fyfe, T.Mitchell
Heppell, Brodie, Power-Pepper (Hibberd, Wigg, Barrett)
Ruck: Grundy, Sandi (Strandica)
Fwd: Riewoldt, Dalhause, Lynch(gcs)
Roughy, Black, Eddy (Durdin, Cameron)
Obviously rookies aren't set but I feel like def is bit weak any input would be appreciated
Tyruddanaut · 09/03/2017 at 21:42
Incredibly similar to one of my earlier teams so it must be a sign. A sign that, like me, you are going to avg. 1,700 this year. So good luck
clokey · 09/03/2017 at 21:48
It's now looking like Brodie wont play early games Jack. If you must have him maybe consider him as an M9 instead of M7. Your F5 and F6 are a bit scratchy also
Jack · 09/03/2017 at 22:21
Who would you recommend for the f5 and f6 position?
Clokey · 09/03/2017 at 21:39
Would having SandWitts rucking and Nanscrevice at F5 be asking for a spanking?
Burnmen · 09/03/2017 at 21:44
It's a high risk strategy but then again I'm thinking of doing it myself.
Dukes · 09/03/2017 at 21:48
Somthing ill seriously consider if spencer is named rd1
Clokey · 09/03/2017 at 22:03
Spencer's looking like a starter, they want a genuine foil for the HOG and they both have 2 goals to half time
Burnmen · 09/03/2017 at 21:45
As long as you have a ruck/fwd as R3 of course.
SnakeWu · 09/03/2017 at 21:45
yes
Clokey · 09/03/2017 at 21:57
Thanks for the encouragement guys.
If I had that Sydney rck/fwd as R3 I could potentially make as much from rucks as I do from rookies and start the season with 6 mid prems + beamer + Jom, 3 premo def and, 3 premo fwds +roughy + Petracca
If Tommy Nicholls could maybe snog Heeney this week it'd be a lock
Tyruddanaut · 10/03/2017 at 06:42
A whipping more like
Danners · 09/03/2017 at 21:47
Great article BVC! I would say your mate Gary is less likely to occur an injury in everyday life than Ablett in a game. The only Gold Coast player worth considering is Swallow, surely should be locked away by now. The Bont does interest me still have doubts that the third man up rule will still have an impact on him, be interesting to see what he's scores though
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:20
Agreed Danners, at the end of the day I will likely only be having Swallow in my side from this game. I'd already jumped off Gaz at the start of the year and this game didn't change my mind about him at all. Lynch looks very good, but will likely have the usual KPF issues in SC.
SCaddict · 09/03/2017 at 21:50
I can see some coaches going Sandi, Witts and a rookie R3 for a ruck dept grand total less than one Big Maxy ha ha.
Too much risk for mine although with all this Spencer nonsense going on right now giving Gawny the boot has to considered, especially if Spencer is named Rd1. $650K would be a shite load to stump up for a ruckman playing house with another.
Burnmen · 09/03/2017 at 21:56
I reckon I can snag Maxy for 500-550K mid season, and if not, I'm sure he won't be much over his current price.
Negative side to this is missing big scores and therefore captain scores early. Could cause me to fall behind the front runners fast.
SCaddict · 09/03/2017 at 22:13
With that early Rd11 bye he could be the perfect Sandi/Nank upgrade in Rd12 assuming he doesn't burn you too badly for not having him before then. Risks either side of the equation.
Jack · 09/03/2017 at 21:55
anyone tempted with Clayton Oliver?
BrownlowBoy · 09/03/2017 at 22:18
Yes, he looks very good.
SCaddict · 09/03/2017 at 22:29
Similar story to Parish in that they will both be future guns of the competition but at nearly $400K there just isn't enough meat on the bone to be a legit stepping stone.
And as keeper material I think they will only likely disappoint falling well short of top 20 mid output. Just better value options out there like JOM and Swallow if you are looking for a midpricer in the guts.
Cr0magn0n · 10/03/2017 at 04:48
Hell yes!
JLT1 101 SC from 68% TOG
JLT2 103 SC from 71% TOG
JLT3 122 SC from 73% TOG
Leeds17 · 10/03/2017 at 05:41
No doubt he'll be a gun sometime but he doesn't have any endurance yet, don't expect to see his TOG get any higher.
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 06:47
Not convinced
Hugh · 10/03/2017 at 07:42
Oliver is dead set a young red headed JPK. Big bodied, gets hard pill and does most of his damage by hand. When melbourne players are interviewed about the best inside mid at the club they always, always say Oliver rather than Viney. I reckon this time next year his starting price will be 550k so he is looking at a 105 ave.
NEIL Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 10:44
absolutely Jack will be the big mover this year
Dice · 09/03/2017 at 22:09
Very undecided this year……any advice much appreciated.
DEF: Adams, laird, tuohy, evw, offend, Stewart….Newman, guthrie
MID: pendlebury, hannebery, priddis, cripps, fyfe, t.mitchell, beam, spp….barrett, Myers, fox
RUC: goldstein, sandilands….cameron
FWD: dahlhaus, miller, roughead, nankervis, Steele, butler….eddy, houston
Very undecided at the minute
wombatsfc · 09/03/2017 at 22:09
Hmmm I might be able to swap Taranto for Gaz in round 10.
Thanks Barron another quality contribution.
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:20
Don't think you'd be unhappy with that!
Rivo · 09/03/2017 at 22:26
Touk Miller borderline again at F3.
Options – Nankervis, Higgins, others?
SCaddict · 09/03/2017 at 22:37
Touk probably hasn't quite shown enough in the preseason to attract significant interest from coaches although he was quite good today. Will probably out perform his starting price but you would still need to see him finishing as a top 10 forward to justify the selection. So maybe upgrade to him post his Rd9 bye should he prove top forward material.
Nank is already a popular choice now owned by over 20% of coaches and that will only increase before Rd1 if he keeps playing the way he has been this preseason again this weekend.
Rivo · 09/03/2017 at 22:43
Thanks SC. Will keep a close eye on Nank as he has a tougher opponent this weekend. Touk may still get the nod as the options aren't great at this price.
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:21
From what the commentators were saying, Rivo, while Miller may be attending more than a few CB's, they want him to be the outside receiver while your Barlow, Lyons types do the grunt work on the inside. That may put a ceiling on how well he can score if he's not getting a ton of contested possession and clearance work.
SCnoob · 09/03/2017 at 22:47
Current team, thoughts?
DEF – Docherty, Adams, Laird, McGrath, Scharenberg, Vickers-Willis (Berry, Stewart)
MID – Dangerfield, Kennedy, Treloar, Fyfe, T Mitchell, O'Meara, Bowes, Powell-Pepper (Hibberd, Brown, Bolton)
RUC – Gawn, Nankervis (Strnadica)
FWD – Dahlhaus, Macrae, Caddy, Hrovat, Hoskin-Elliott, Gallucci (Daicos, Eddy)
Burnmen · 09/03/2017 at 22:52
Weak mid. Don't like the defense. Not sure the attraction on Strnadica at this point.
BlakeyP · 09/03/2017 at 23:45
The attraction is a floating donut which cost 102k and plays the most sunday games with the added bonus of DPP
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 00:07
Ah of course.I admit I haven't researched a good donut yet this year.
Webspyda · 10/03/2017 at 01:48
Baaaaa Baaaa
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 06:58
Spot on
Fuzzy · 09/03/2017 at 23:29
I think it is a pretty good side overall. My only concern is you are spending quite a bit on higher-priced rookies (McGrath, Hoskin Elliot, Galucci, Bowes). You are probably playing wait and see on who gets selected but if you downgraded a couple to $117k you could fit another premium maybe in the mids.
Good luck 🙂
Lazza · 10/03/2017 at 08:34
Can't see the fascination with Scharenberg.. Injury risk, not much to show so in JLT.
Berry just coming back from minor knee surgery.
Daicos unlikely to play R1.
Much better options than Hoskin-Elliott. E.g Taranto or Black.
Patch · 09/03/2017 at 23:05
Matty Boyd taken off at the end of Q3 with his ear pretty much split in half by Two Metre Peter's elbow, but agree that he's not an overly good option this year. Brilliant stuff mate.
BarronVonCrow · 10/03/2017 at 08:22
Good catch, Patch (I'm rhyming! Take that, Eminem!). I forgot to mention that.
BlueBoy · 09/03/2017 at 23:09
SCORES
GOLD COAST
Tom J. Lynch 114
Michael Barlow 108
Aaron Hall 102
Peter Wright 95
Pearce Hanley 86
Jarrod Witts 85
Kade Kolodjashnij 85
Gary Ablett 78
Alex Sexton 73
David Swallow 68
Touk Miller 68
Steven May 66
Jarryd Lyons 60
Jack Leslie 57
Jesse Joyce 55
Matt Rosa 53
Jack Martin 51
Adam Saad 46
Rory Thompson 39
Jack Bowes 39
Brayden Fiorini 35
Callum Ah Chee 32
Ben Ainsworth 29
Will Brodie 15
WESTERN BULLDOGS
Jake Stringer 116
Matthew Suckling 108
Lachie Hunter 98
Marcus Bontempelli 97
Jack Macrae 96
Lin Jong 96
Zaine Cordy 90
Liam Picken 89
Tom Liberatore 89
Luke Dahlhaus 89
Caleb Daniel 88
Robert Murphy 82
Tom Boyd 79
Stewart Crameri 75
Easton Wood 73
Shane Biggs 70
Clay Smith 61
Toby McLean 61
Jason Johannisen 57
Fletcher Roberts 56
Matthew Boyd 51
Travis Cloke 40
Tim English 0
Marcus Adams 0
Lazza · 09/03/2017 at 23:34
Ahead of the WCE v Dees review … Gawn and Petracca … value questionable. I'm not starting with Gawn, reckon he will be $100k cheaper by R12.
Looking fwd to see how Goldy goes tomorrow. Mid price rucks will be common.
Mitchell, Gaff and Kennedy serious consideration for R1.
SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 01:08
Looks like Spencer could be here to stay after performing well tonight. It's a new regime post Roosy and Goodwin does seem an avid fanboy of Spencer – unfortunately for us fantasy coaches.
Gawny will still score well even if he spends more time up forward as he's a downright superstar but whether he can maintain that ultra high 120 output may be in some doubt now.
Not sure too many coaches will be keen to fork out Pendles like dollars for him if this is to be the new reality now. I guess we'll have to see what happens when the team sheets drop in a fortnight but it's not looking too rosy right now for prospective Gawn owners.
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 06:53
Can't have your ruck fall away in the last quarter due to fatigue, seems most teams are following suit.
Rivo · 10/03/2017 at 07:30
Yes Gawn looked a little flat last night. I still think he will push out a 110+ average. I'm sticking with him at this stage, and can't see any other rucks passing him yet.
Youngster · 10/03/2017 at 08:12
With Sandi at R2, I need a keeper at R1. Currently have Gawn but if that falls through, besides Goldy who has his injury risks, what other option is there?
Rivo · 10/03/2017 at 08:36
Youngster – Grundy & Mummy are the next tier. Mummy injury prone with a higher cieling – risk profile backs that up. Grundy consistent and working with a good midfield, safer option. Worth waiting a couple of weeks before jumping off Gawn. Plenty can happen still.
Derek · 10/03/2017 at 08:52
SMitch put on a clinic last night. An absolute gun and superstar of the game. As a Hawks fan, I don't think I'll be able to watch many WCE games this year.
Jager Bombs · 10/03/2017 at 09:18
Watching Mitch & Lewis run around in opposition colors brings a tear to my eye.
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 06:51
Yep I'm going to get involved. There's only one 'full' priced ruck I would start with this year.
Derek · 10/03/2017 at 09:11
If it wasn't for his DPP, would people be selecting the Nank?
There are 3 ruckmen and 4 forwards all cheaper than him who I would select ahead of the Nank.
I think he can average 70-80, so you should get reasonable value for money.
Is the DPP worth it?
I can see if people have Sandi at R2, he is good cover at F4. But what if Sandi gets a long term injury and you then trade him out, this may happen by round 10 anyway once his price Max's out, what do you do with the Nank when you don't need Sandi cover? Does he stay as cover all year? Do you put him at R2 as a keeper? Do you waste another trade to upgrade him?
BlakeyP · 10/03/2017 at 09:51
I believe the DPP is a big bonus. That and his risk is minimal due to his price.
I believe you can keep him as Ruck cover for as long as possible and use a luxury trade if you are doing okay with trade count.
If not there would be a lot worse F6-7 or R-3 out there. Remember the big buggers tend to get little niggle and or get rested for a week or 2. So ruck cover could come in handy
Kev · 10/03/2017 at 10:55
The trade just moves elsewhere imo. Nank is not going to be a top ruck and I'll be looking to trade him. Conservatively I see him raising 80-100k
Grabbing him now for Gawn nets you 280k, which in turn makes the trade you'll use to upgrade, for example, Swallow, into a keeper
SCaddict · 10/03/2017 at 10:53
Part of the attraction is his DPP no doubt but have you seen how Nank has been going about it in the preseason? He has been one of the Tiges best players competing well in the ruck, tackling with ferocity, presenting as a marking option around the ground and looks to be reinvigorated playing at a new club. He also looks to have improved his fitness and tank in the offseason.
Remind you of anyone? All he needs is a mullet and we could call him Maric 2.0! 🙂
Speaking of which he looks to have no competition for the role in the first half of the season with the original Maric now well past it and Hampson placed on the LTI list yesterday: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-09/tigers-put-…
So you Derek, more than anyone, should know how valuable a lone razorback ruck is these days after your insightful posts last month on the death of the solo ruckman. At a mere $366K it's a licence to print money!
Derek · 10/03/2017 at 13:59
The lone Wolf ruckman is an endangered species.
My only concern is that he hasn't yet done it.
Look at guys like Sandi, McEvoy, Kreuzer who will be their clubs clear Lone Wolf Ruckman this year. They have all been there and done it. Averaged around 100sc, fallen premiums.
the Nank is either a never was or a young breakout contender, neither categories do i like.
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 14:45
This is true, but I kinda see it as he's being forced to breakout. 22 is a good age to do it and he seems to be really taking it on.
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 11:45
Can you name these cheaper 3 rucks and 4 forwards that you would pick ahead of him please?
Derek · 10/03/2017 at 13:55
Forwards: Roughie, Cloke, Phillips, Moore, Vickery. All should score better than the Nank, but i'm not picking any of them (maybe consider roughie).
Rucks: McEvoy (Sandiland obviously) & Kreuzer. All clear #1 ruckmen at their club, all averaged around 100sc in past years. Will score better than the Nank.
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 14:44
Thanks Derek. Good food for thought.
Most people will have Sandi if using Nank in the forward line. Some may even go Sandi/Nank combo in ruck.
McEvoy is basically priced the same. No DP. Like this option though.
Kreuzer is more expensive and highly injury prone. Daniel Gorringe might do some ruck work for them? You'd really pick Kreuzer for +32K and no DP?
Roughy yes. The others are highly unlikely to score more than Nankervis as no.1 ruckman, each to their own opinions and this is why I love discussing SC. Cheers.
@t_woof · 10/03/2017 at 13:24
As i saw John Bruyn tweet, Nank isn't "cover" if you have to swing him into the ruck and play a fwd rookie on the ground. Witts at R3, that's cover.
If you have Nank in your forward line, he's there for output, cash generation and a degree of freedom when trading.
TOMAHAWK · 11/03/2017 at 12:04
'It is 'cover' if you had a donut as your R3' as I just said right here…
Leeds17 · 10/03/2017 at 17:12
"If it wasn't for his DPP, would people be selecting the Nank? "
I would be selecting him at R2 if we didn't have Sandi, so to answer your question i guess the answer is no I wouldn't but i'd still be tempted.
I can't help but think he has the SC game to be something a little special, from very limited game time he's averaged 60 odd and 70 odd whilst never being the sole ruck and never really being the no1 ruck.
I've been toying with the idea of letting Sandi run against me and just going Nank at R2 is that crazy?
Shake n bake · 10/03/2017 at 09:27
Had Gawn probably 1st picked when were able to put our teams together but now im really thinking of strengthening my fwd line and not start with Gawn my reasoning is 1 Spencer 2 strengthen my fwd line 3 he was my ligit vc, capt loophole but know not sure about that. Back to switching things up!!
NEIL Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 10:35
shake I will have a coffee with him down Loch and pick his brain Must admit bias to the beard but I for one wouldn't get carried away with Spencer good ordinary ruckman but reluctantly see your point about Nank good thinking wrong player
NEIL Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 09:37
Having to endure my team getting beat was bad enough but those west aussie commentators ex eagle players are terrible.At least Eddie is not as biased .I was trouser rouser impressed with OLIVER so much so he is in my team.I have been trying to get Swallow in and Oliver has provided just that.The rookies are just not coming through as quick this year.To have Parfitts and Boltons even wiggs doesn't sit well with me IN OLIVER and SWALLOW OUT Kelly and Parfitt BYES are not affected which is so important.
Shake n bake · 10/03/2017 at 09:52
Im doing a bit of that in my fwd line neil freeing up some cash to get in nank as my F5. Dont like alot of names being thrown around as potential rookies there. Hampson out gives nank every opportunity and that dpp is a factor.
NEIL Demons Delight · 10/03/2017 at 10:27
what is ur ruck set up do you need him or any cover
Shake n bake · 10/03/2017 at 10:43
Have sandi at no 2. But not sure why but maybe there midfield, maybe hes a one out ruckman want to see mummy against Collingwood.
Luke · 10/03/2017 at 10:29
How's my team looking guys
Rance, laird, adams
Sharenberg, Hampton, EVW
(Stewart, Ryan )
Danger, Pendles, jpk, Fyfe
T. Mitchell, beams, o'meara, Powell pepper
(Barett, Pickett, Hibberd)
Gawn, sandi
(Starndica)
Dahlhaus, McRae, Roughead
Nankervis, Bowes, black
(Eddy, Stewart)
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 11:42
Cookie Cutter.
Luke · 10/03/2017 at 12:02
About how you trade buddy, had some of these selections for ages, turbo
Burnmen · 10/03/2017 at 14:34
True, and being cookie cutter is not necessarily a bad thing just something I observed.
INPieman · 10/03/2017 at 10:32
Still a few spots left in the cash leagues. First come first served basis. Please email [email protected] he forwards that to me & I will be in touch
@t_woof · 10/03/2017 at 13:28
Excellent report BVC.
Sana · 10/03/2017 at 13:30
I just wish we knew for sure if Timothy English stood or not…
Saundo · 10/03/2017 at 14:33
Anyone going for a Goldy, Witts ruck lineup?
Leeds17 · 10/03/2017 at 17:14
If Witts averaged 75 till his bye what would his price be then?
The BONT · 10/03/2017 at 20:09
Where abouts does everyone think I will finish overall and how can i change that
DEF: Docerty, Rance, Laird, Hampton, Otten, Vickers-Willis (Stewart, Guthrie)
MID: Dangerfield, JPK, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Swallow, Powell-Pepper, Atley (Wigg, Barrett, Hibberd)
RUCK: Gawn Sandilands (Cameroon)
FWD Dahlhaus, Macrae, Lynch( GC ), Roughhead, Black, Miles ( Butler, Eddy)
$246,000 left over
Carl · 10/03/2017 at 22:56
Can you trade Swallow with the left over $ to a premium? Couple of rookie changes maybe to get an extra 20-30 k
Top Hawk · 10/03/2017 at 21:16
Stephen and Bradley Hill seem to be loving playing together at Freo! Both have been running riot in the JLT in recent weeks. Started well again tonight. Bradley at $355K (MID/FWD) has just been put on my watchlist.
Carl · 10/03/2017 at 22:58
20 Touches, a goal, few tackles only 70 points plus lots of time forward not in the mids – no D.Swallow for mine
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