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PODCAST: The shifting of the SuperCoach sands

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SUPERCOACH 2017 CRUNCH TIME APPROACHES

We’ve covered each line over the past four weeks.
This week the time has come to take some serious stock of where we’re at with team structure.
There is an important issue that underpins much of our discussion this week our friends. A clear and present danger – the threat posed to us by the lack of bankable midfield rookies.
How should we adjust our team structures to cope? Which strategies can we deploy to counter this chilling reality?

This is one you can’t afford to miss!

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Declan

Love the work lads. Keep it up

Harvey

Bloody legends.

Jiggs

Love it lads, Jock what's your team line up at this stage

mason

Can you provide captions or a transcript with your podcasts please?

I cannot understand a single word because I am deaf πŸ™

Valens_FC

Hope they can sort something out for you mate…… although some of the language used might be a bit difficult to caption!

The BONT

As soon rd 1 teams come out all of my rookies will be changed

The BONT

Does anyone know if O'Meara will play r1

Jib_Jib

Clarko

Derek

I doubt it. I thought round 4 would be around the time the Hawks would risk him. Give him a few VFL games.

Krups

Um ok lol. Play in the JLT but na leave him till round 4. Ross Lyon isnt coaching him is he?

Derek

Ummmm there is a fair step up from JLT to play for points AFL. I saw one decent tackle all weekend.

Hawks will not risk this guy.

Essendon round 1, they won't need him. Maybe a chance for round 2 at home to the crowd….. maybe if he is ahead of schedule. They won't take him to the Gold Coast, leaves round 4 vs Cats……. hmmm just like the hawks said a month ago.

Krups

Hahaha he will play round one. Essendon at $2.50 to roll the Hawks and don't be surprised of an upset. Round one never goes to an and usually have a few surprises.

INPieman

The only way I can watch a Hawks game is to bet against them. Ultimate boring. I'll have a piece of the 2fiddy & cheer on the Bombers

Burnmen

Hawthorn Assistant coach Cameron Bruce said he believes O'meara will line up in round one?

Derek

That is significant!

Burnmen

"Hawthorn assistant coach Cameron Bruce said it was his gut feel O’Meara would line-up in Round 1 against Essendon after a carefully-managed preseason."

Herald sun article.

Liam

Why would the play him in the JLT if they weren't going to play him round 1.

Burnmen

he's now played two JLT games, I'd assume they are planning to play him round one. Their midfield needs him.

Clock Management

Derek is on the money. Won't play Rd 1 look for a round 3-4 debut for hawks. JLT is like VFL, that's why he would play in JLT and not first 2 red in AFL.

Clock Management

Rounds not red lol

Burnmen

Well if he's not named round one I'll ditch him and grab him on the bubble. JOM>Beams

Glorin

He was at every centre bounce in the first half at the weekend. Was pushed hard for a half and eased in the second.
Said himself that if he pulled up ok he would use the 2 weeks to recover then push harder again jlt3.
If he has no new set backs he will play rd 1.

Derek

as a hawks fan, pretty happy with that. still won't pick him in my SC team

The BONT

Mills or Adams

Jib_Jib

Madams

Krups

Neither

ado

jj or matt boyd are both solid options. Shane biggs is also a roughy

Patch

Jock mate, if a 2-0-6 structure scares you, make sure you have an industrial strength diaper for my team reveal old mate…

Eric_the_Red

Looking forward to it Patch. Keen to see something out of the ordinary!

INPieman

I have heard of a few at 1-0-7 Patch. What have you got for us!!! At my vantage point the best rookies have Def status so no Def structure is ludricrous

Clock Management

Correct Pieman, your wise man bud. Especially with the lack of rookies in other lines particularly midfield.

RobDog

All true, but 2-0-4 still means very low point generation from your 4 rookies. Def is the lowest point generating line and depending on rookies will hurt. That is on top of Crouching's/Jock's point about being landed with a surprise donut. Can see a Scharenberg/Hampton type being best 22 but the others are all speculation. No free startup team/Essendon glut of rookies, love this game. Starting teams so important this year.

The Ranger

Could Patch be the first man ever to go in with a 0-0-8!

demon_spud

Crouching good comment on Nanky…..while his stats looked good, Jacobs was running around holding his back…no real competition.

Sean S

Zach Touhy is my pod.

Thought

Burnmen

Never been a top defender.

INPieman

Nice. Save a trade for him

Holty

Hi sean. I think you seem pretty sold on him already. Its like me with Titch. You can ask the question to the community for their thoughts but you already know no matter what they say you are still going to select him. Ill try and help though with my thoughts on Touhy
Pros: potential breakout candidate with role in backline.
Enright leaving could mean Touhy gets some of his role.
Cons: never been elite
Will he actually have the rebounding defender role come season proper?
Good luck

INPieman

It's called a priority pick. By the time you've realised you've picked a turd you've got other priorities & your stuck with him. Been down that path plenty of times. Pass

Holty

I agree pieman. I wont be touching him. We are all giving our thoughts. Up to the people concerned if they still want to go with him.

ado

trash pod. biggs will be better. expect big things

moyleos

WHats the big deal around Marchbank?

Clock Management

That he has a clock in his bedroom

gawdk

Look, if I play sandy at r2 I'm not wasting my f3 or f4 with someone I don't want (Ryder) just as back up. You pick sandy that's the risk your taking odds aren't that high he's gonna get injured, be like me and Have a good fwd line and sandiballs.

Eric_the_Red

I actually think I agree with you. Take the risk and see what happens. Better than having someone sitting at F3 or 4 'just because'. Good luck with it.

Clock Nanagement

I actually agree with you, Ryder or Nank won't be valid selections.

Derek

Have a bit of cash, just in case

RobDog

Is 2 trades to rectify, that's why. He goes down and you need to burn two to replace him. Keeping a warchest in case means you go lighter on the other lines. If Pruess gets named might solve the issue.

Holty

Hi clock. Any reason you think ryder wont be a valid selection?

Coolibar to Riv

Thank-you good man. Trouser adjustment required over your in-sight. Agree 100%

Tommo09

My team is pretty risky I know but if could pay off.

Def: Doch, Shaw, Laird, Scharenberg, Newman, J.Smith (Ryan, Stewart)
Mid: Danger, Gaz, Bont, Fyfe, T.Mitchell, O'Meara, Swallow, SPP (Hibberd, Freeman, Graham)
Ruc: Gawn, Sandi (Cameron)
Fwd: Dahl, Lynch, Heeney, Rough, McCluggage, Bowes (Pickett, Eddy)

Not sure about:
Mitchell – can he be top 10 but will be in the mid lots without S.Mitchell and Lewis
O'Meara – injury-prone but looked very good
Swallow – also injury-prone but I like him this year
Gaz – could be a great POD
Sandi – could be very good or very bad

Any advice is more than welcome community

Derek

Gaz will spend a lot of time forward this season. Especially early season

JOM is this years BCrouch

Coolibar to Riv

Sorry Derek disagree. JOM fit looks like Gary Jnr. Will become Michael Jordan of AFL. Watch his highlights reel…..beyond comparison.

RobDog

I'd hold off on Gaz until Rd9 and avoid losing a premo that round. Like Titch's chances of top ten with new hawks lineup too. Omeara looks the goods, not as confident with Swallow.

Also, not counting rookies, you lose 3 in Rd9 (where all 22 score), and 8 in Rd 13.

Would use the Higginator and balance the byes out a bit.

Sean

People need to forget about gaz as hard as it is I know just a waste of trades doesn't want to be there injury prone has god on his brain Gold Coast bottom 3 resting forward just a simple no

ado

get shane biggs in the def. he's a jet

Clock Management

Not sure what this has to do with the podcast but it's good looking team. Forward line would have me nervous though, particularly Heeney, do you believe he will be a top 6-8 fed this year? Cause I don't

INPieman

I agree with you Clock. There are signs. But nothing proven. At his price your picking him as a keeper. Dangerous territory. Huge talent but we've seen this type of pick fail countless times. I'll sit back & watch

Derek

The JLT is in full swing and the mid-price madness has hit.

I'm seeing Tuohy, Nankervis, JOM, Roughie, Vince, Wingard… even Petracca in a few teams.

Sure these guys had good games, but have a look who they were up against? There have been a lot of quality players rested or told to take it easy.

Don't get fooled by the JLT and think it is serious.

Just use The JLT to find out rookies.

Dukes

Half those players you named are fallen premiums which i consider valid selections. Its the other half you mentioned the breakout players that people need to not get too carried away with

RobDog

Agree Dukes, Vince has been very consistent and with a stronger Demons lineup should do well, JLT just confirming he is in form. Rough is a gun, if fit at that price is a lock, could well stay all year. JOM too, with added responsibility at a weakened Hawks could be a keeper even if it's M9 etc. Wingegard less certainty, always been inconsistent. Nank & Tuohy need more evidence yet.

Burnmen

Vince is a consistent performer, he shouldn't have made your list. Averaged 92-98 the past 3 years. Barely missed a game the last 4 years.

JOM natural football talent, as is Roughy. Worth taking a risk.

The rest are unproven or inconsistent even if their body is right.

Kev

Harsh call on Rough, Derek. Averaged 95-103 five years running. Doesn't look troubled by his knee, moving all around the ground from what we've seen so far

Derek

I think you are right. There is a place for fallen premium mid pricers.

They must have been a true premium. JOM and Swallow never were.

Roughie and wingard, maybe were.

Beams and Murphy were.

SCaddict

Yeah if guys returning from injury/illness are having great preseasons then I think the risk is only moderate to low that something will go wrong. It's the guys who don't play any preseason games and are then are wheeled out in Rd1 like Gaz and B.Crouch last year that you have to really worry about.

But Roughy, JOM and Swallow have been flying in the JLT so wouldn't overly stress picking those guys if you ask me.

Coolibar to Riv

Great insight here^^^^^^

Valens_FC

Agree with Dukes – the definition of mid pricer needs to be tightened. Best value player last season was Wells. Last season he was a unique proposition but this season there's more guys that qualify as fallen premos.

Derek

Wells is the only mid pricer in last two years that I've had that has done well. Out of 11.

Valens_FC

So proves you just have to pick the right one πŸ™‚

Top Hawk

Yep, and Dazza (Derek) said that Wells was a "trap" during last season's NAB cup. Go figure…..

Derek

actually, Wells was rookie priced last year, not even a mid pricer, pure cash cow, low risk. He was in my team purely to make cash.

Where there were other mid pricer I thought could have become keepers. I was wrong 10 out of 10.

Top Hawk

That's a rough call on Roughie Derek! Trust me, the guy can still play football even after a year out with life threatening medical issues. If anything, he will be a better player now he is on the road to recovery. Your "mid price madness" post is fake news! As a Hawthorn supporter, (Like you?) I have a duty to stick up for Roughie. What a legend.

Moustachio

Gauging fitness of JOM/Roughie is valid, I agree with the rest

Derek

I'm starting to think Roughie is a very good F4, maybe even F3

Rivo

Just brilliant again Jock, Higgo & Crouching. Especially liked the Priddis joke.

Like many, not sold on Ryder as F3 and Hibberd (Melb) at D4. So if go for JOM at M6 & Swallow M7, then I'm thinking Hibberd (Melb) to Hampton at D4, then Ryder to possibly Lycet or Nank. Thoughts Community? My head hurts…

The BONT

J J Kennedy has been the most inconsistend shit last year one week he would get 170 but the next is 40 Is it worth getting him

Burnmen

You answered your own question. If you don't like inconsistency then go for Mccrae/Dahl/Caddy type.

Rick Grimes

I'm looking at either him or Lynch. I think they could be great loophole options. If you get the 170, sweet, if you don't, can chuck it on Danger or Gawn. Rank is my primary goal, so as long as he's top 5 at year end i am happy.

The BONT

Gray or Selwood

Top Hawk

Selwood. (Not Scott……) Robbie Gray you grab after the round 9 bye after cashing in SPP and B.Eddy!

Burnmen

True.

Burnmen

Which one you think will have the better season?

SCaddict

It's a close call but Jelwood for me. You just don't know what you are going to get from Port week in week out although I'm sure Gray will still be a good pick as he's a dead set superstar.

Jelwood does have that useful Rd12 bye and Cats have a fairly decent early draw which makes him a slightly more attractive option to me.

Derek

Selwood. Think about Gray round 10

Seb

What are people's back ups for sandi?

Clock Management

Tyrone Leonardis looks like a good r3 option so does Caleb Daniel, 50/50

Derek

I'm liking preuss at R3

HaloumiMan

Injury to Mason Wood does open up a KPF role for Preuss at North, he's my R3 atm. Wouldn't use up a Fwd slot in Supercoach team to cover Sandi beyond that. You've got problems when Ryder is your most reliable option. Just hope Sandi makes it to bye rounds, even if he goes down about round 6-7 he'll hopefully have made enough coin to sideways trade to another premo. If he goes down before that you may have to burn two trades. Best mitigation measure with Sandi is to limit your risks taken on other lines.

Holty

Why are so many bagging Ryder? He wont be sharing the ruck with lobbe this year.

HaloumiMan

Not criticising his scoring potential, more his durability. From 2012-2015 he missed an average of 4.5 games per season (18 in total). Too much risk in tandem with Sandi for mine. Ryder is also a risky keeper selection so there's a good chance you'd have to upgrade both of them, not just Sandi.

Holty

I see your reasoning and fair point. First real explanation ive read on here as to why someone wont select him. I see him as a risk worth taking. He is a fallen premium in my eyes.
Cheers Haloumi

Keenbutclueless

Haloumi nailed it. I would add one more thing for you to consider- Brendan Lade, Port's ruck coach said he thought the Lobbe Ryder combination could work. Let's say they try that for a few rounds before they realise it's shit. Ryder's price could conceivably drop or remain stagnant during that time. If you catch him a couple of weeks after his scoring starts to improve, best case coincides with his bye, then he could be a good trade in option. If Lobbe is picked Round 1, might be the perfect signal not to pick him.
Certainly if you are basing your team around him now and you see Lobbe picked Round 1, you would be nervous. Best to have a contingency plan if that happens

Burnmen

He shared ruck duties in the JLT game?

Do you have a source for your info?

Keenbutclueless

It was an interview with Brendan Lade that appeared on the AFL website. Will see if I can find a link.

Keenbutclueless

It appeared in the Geelong Advertiser on 20 Jan. AFL website must have lifted it.

Derek

because it is doubtful he will be top 8 forward. expensive backup plan

Burnmen

Preuss + 250K

hedski

Don't start him or have some nice strong rope.

Dave2008

Latest draft to fit Omeara and D Swallow in:

D Shaw Adams Laird Vickers-Willis Ryan Stewart Hewitt Long
M Danger Treloar T Mitchell Fyfe J Steven Omeara D Swallow SPP Pickett Hibberd Bolton
R Gawn Goldy
F McRae DAL Heeney Roughy Black Dear Rioli Eddy

D Swallow Omeara H Shaw J Steven B Long Vickers-Willis Heeney
or

Greenwood Drew Doc JPK Scharenberg Keefe N Roo plus 93K

Thoughts anyone?

Kev

Keep tinkering, Dave. TMitch not M3 material

THE NANK

Thoughts community
Changes galore, Goldy IS in R2
Def: Doc, Adams, Laird, Hampton, Newman, Ryan (Stewart, Guthrie)

Mid: Danger, Pendles, Selwood, Cripps, Fyfe, Mitchell, Brodie, SPP (Wigg, Miles, Bolton)

Ruck: Gawn, Goldy (Strndica)

Forward: Dalhaus, Gunston, Ryder, Black, Pickett, Smith (Cameron, Eddy)

Derek

Goldy is $280k more than sandilands.

think about what you could do with all that cash and won't lose that many points.

Upgrade sandi to Goldy in a few weeks when Goldy has reduced in price a bit. Use one extra trade, seems worth it.

Holty

Hi community. I'm very curious to find out why so many have ridden off Ryder. So many saying he is a waste of space, not a keeper etc but no reason behind it. I look at a bloke who averaged 84 in 2015 sharing the ruck with Lobbe. Doubtful this will happen this year as Lobbe is rubbish and wont get a game.
The 3 years before that he averaged 101, 90 and 105.
I think he is a great back up for the ruck and a great chance at being a keeper in the forward line considering only Riewoldt averaged 100+ last season.
Would love to hear the communities opinion

SCaddict

He underwhelmed in JLT1, played forward plenty sharing the ruck with Lobbe and Trengove which was a major turn off and to top it off he has burnt plenty of coaches in the past. Plus now Nankervis and Preuss both seem to be shaping up as cheaper legit ruck cover options. Oh and let's not forget his problematic Rd9 bye.

But I agree with you it's probably too early to write him off after just one poor JLT game after missing over a year of footy. Let's see what happens in JLT2 and 3 first.

Btw have you still written off JOM? As I mentioned to you a fortnight ago it was going to be Jaegermania around here. πŸ™‚

Holty

Lol very true about the JOM. He has been extremely impressive and having a look his % of ownership has skyrocketed. Still not in my side but another impressive jlt game and he will be very hard to refuse.
I think Trengove will help Ryder in the ruck but thats where Ryder will spend most his time. Lobbe wiil play SANFL. Had his opportunity last year and was terrible. Ryder did spend plenty time up forward but when in ruck looked impressive. Hopefully we will see him more in the ruck next few jlt games to give us a better idea. As it is, i have set and forget rucks (changes everyday though) with ryder at f3 hoping he will be that keeper

Burnmen

Lobbe scored better than Ryder in the JLT game with less time on ground.

Lobbe is a pure Ruck.

Ryder is a much better forward and kick at goal, so that's where he'll mainly be if Lobbe is also playing.

There's no clear evidence that Lobbe will not get a game, he also averaged 100 in 2014 so is not rubbish when his body is right etc.

Holty

Cheers Burnmen. Its good to get all these opinions. The Ryder selection is obviously pending on Lobbe but id be very surprised if Lobbe plays.

Benchwarmers

Also food for thought re the whole Ryder/Lobbe issue is that in the Adelaide Advertiser a little while ago, an article from Port's ruck coach, Brendan Lade threw up the suggestion to Kenny Hinkley that Charlie Dixon should be considered in the ruck as well – may never happen but it's being discussed.

Abalone Sheen

Know it's not the place but just looking for some feedback to help adjust the team. Thoughts on going Roughead at F3 or Grundy at R1 to upgrade Galluci to O'Meara

DEF: H.Shaw, T.Adams, R.Laird, B.Vince, C.Hampton, T.Stewart (BENCH) L.Ryan, E.Vicker-Willis

MID: P.Dangerfield, D.Hanneberry, A.Treloar, M.Priddis, N.Fyfe, D.Swallow, J.Galluci, S.Powel-Pepper (BENCH) T.Miles, H.Wigg, J.Graham

RUC: M.Gawn, T.Nankervis (BENCH) L.Strndica

FWD: L.Dalhaus, J.Macrae, D.Smith, H.McCluggage, J.Bowes, D.Butler (BENCH) T.Smith, B.Eddy

20 K leftover

Keenbutclueless

If you drop a defender you would be able to upgrade McCluggage to Roughy and Galluci to O'Meara.
It depends on how you feel about having 3 defensive rookies on field. It does seem the most popular structure (doesn't mean it's right or wrong, but you are on site that has a pretty well informed opinion) personally I think EVW can move on field. I also think Newman is a good chance to get games.

Abalone Sheen

Cheers for the advice, will definitely look through a few scenarios with a 3-0-3 Def now

THE NANK

Thoughts community

option 1:
Def: Doc, Adams, Laird, Hampton, Newman, Ryan (Stewart, Guthrie)

Mid: Danger, Pendles, Selwood, Cripps, Fyfe, Mitchell, Brodie, SPP (Wigg, Miles, Bolton)

Ruck: Gawn, Goldy (Strndica)

Forward: Dalhaus, Gunston, Ryder, Black, Pickett, Smith (Cameron, Eddy)

option 2

Def: Doc, Laird, Adams, Hampton, Ryan, Vickers-Willis (Stewart, Guthrie)

Mid: Danger, Pendles, Selwood, Bont, Fyfe, M.Crouch, David Swallow, SPP (Wigg, Miles, Bolton)

Ruck: Gawn, Sandi (Strndica)

Forward: Dalhaus, Caddy, Ryder, Roughie, Black, Pickett (Eddy, Smith)

Kev

I prefer option 2

Matze

Tuohy, JOM, roughy, swallow and menegola too much in the same team?

Kev

Yeah, Matze. Menegola, JOM, Swallow all in your mids. None are keepers or have potential to be imo

Matze

Yea I figured as much. Think I got sucked in by menegola 99 avg hahaha

mikeg

I'm slightly tempted but unlikely . priced to avg 89, so should make that easy enough. looked good in the first game.

Marco_Polo94

Matty Crouch is doing my bloody head in, everything screams breakout but not sure I want him over a proven premium.

hedski

Same here Marco, he's sitting at M6 atm but just keep staring at him, doesn't look quite right.

mikeg

Monitor game time over the next couple of pre-season games. needs to build up to more minutes on the field, still only 70 odd last week.

TRIGGER HAPPY

Haven't had a listen yet fellas but sure it will be top shelf as usual. That is what wed lunch in the park is for. Pod 101.

Some interesting tidbits last couple of days.
Crows mids sloanedog, crouch, tommo, struggling to be ready Rd 1. Brings rooks wigg and Riley right into calculations. Cey injured opens up a permanent spot.

Port due to suspension and injury fwd line looks a bit bare brings eddy right to the front of the queue, the chad and 50 shades to also help out fwd

Ablett to be eased back in starting fwd opens up a mid spot rocket has likes brodies JLT so far not far off Rd 1 gig.

Roughie to play all 3 JLT almost certain starter Rd 1.

Some big names to make their debut this week.
Lots to think about.

Not changing my team if at all until end of JLT when I have all the information I need to make a informed decision. Ie silly to take Ryder out now after one bad pre season.game. hasn't played for 12 months. See how he goes next two matches then make the call if not lone wolf will have to be replaced.

No need to be so Trigger Happy well at least not yet.

star shel

Who do i get for Dustin Martin i have $603,000

Supercoach Spud

Have a look At Matt Prisdas

Kevan

I have this horrible vision of Viney going through Fyfe in Rd4. Can't get it out of my head.

Derek

My V3 team.

has changed a fair bit from V.2

Out: Scharenberg, berry, Priddis, McCluggage, Myers
IN: Hampton, Vickers, TMitch, Roughie, Brodie

Swallow has been in and out more times than i dare to count.

Adams, Laird, Mills, Hampton, Vickers, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
Dangerfield, Fyfe, Hanners, Selwood, Treloar, TMitch, Brodie, SPP (Hibberd, Bolton, Wigg)
Gawn, Sandi (Strd)
Dalhaus, McCrae, Cyril, Roughie, Knight, Pickett (Miles, Eddy)

I'm stacking up on crows midfields (Laird, Hampton, Wigg, Knight) with the opportunities there.
OldOcker convinced me TMitch is worthy of a top 8 midfield spot and along with Roughie looking good and Cyril as my big POD, i'm looking to cash in on the hawks good early draw. Miles may become Shoenmakers.
Mills is locked at D3. Docherty, Simpson & Shaw are just way to expensive to start, will look at upgrading them later, but can see Mills holding onto a D6 spot for the run home, will be 100% midfield by year end.
I'm staying away from anymore mid-pricers (JOM, Swallow, Wingard, Ryder have all been considered) i have 3 already, two fallen premium midpricers (roughie & sandi) and only 1 breakout midpricer. that is enough to worry over.
Brodie could become McGrath or Berry (love their DPP) or any other midfield rookie who steps up.

thats all fellas, what do you reckon fellas, thanks fellas….

Marco_Polo94

Looks good, ballsy going with Mills at D3, and I hope for your sake Cyril stays on the park. Thoughts on Gunston this season? Reckon roughy will help or harm his SC output? I love the stacked midfield, this really seems like the season to do so considering how few mid rookies are on offer.

Derek

I had another look at the hawks vs north game last night. main reason was to look at TMitch, when i finished i locked him in and threw away the key and went looking for the odds of TMitch winning the Hawks B&F. thanks OldOcker for your words of wisdom on the podcast you did.

Roughie and Gunston were everywhere. that might change when all the players are back, especially ISmith. But it looked like Gunston was on the wing leaving Tyrone and Shoenmakers to be the tall targets in the forward 50. Gunston will be top 8 forward this year.

Shoenmakers is a lock for round 1. Sicilly is now a defender, O'Brien won't be considered. if Miles doesn't get named, i'll be looking at Shoenmakers at F6.

Burnmen

Plenty of defensive rookies Mills is my F3 as well at the moment.

Burnmen

D3*

Derek

McVeigh injured and will miss start of season. I can see Mills having to stay in defence and play that sweeping role that McVeigh would have played

Keenbutclueless

Very close to my side, Derek. We have identical backlines and rucks and the same top 6 mids. I have JOM and Swallow at M7 and M8. In the forward line I have Caddy instead of Rioli and Hrovat instead of Macrae. Given the closeness of their starting price, the choice between Rioli and Caddy is just a personal choice, not a structural decision. I have taken the value of JOM and Swallow over Macrae because I don't think Macrae will burn me early and I can get him after his bye. I also have little to no faith in any of the mid rookies as onfield options. I took Hrovat basically because I had money left over. It could have been a rookie, but I went up to Hrovat because I could afford him. If Knight shows me something I might go down to him and keep the cash.

Derek

i don't think Knight has played in JLT yet. looking forward to seeing him this weekend.

Valens_FC

Really well constructed and thought out team Derek. Slightly surprised at the inclusion of Mills after previous comments re mid price madness. Could say the same for Cyril, but you are a Hawthorn fan and have been saying he's your POD all pre-season.

The only thing going that deep in midfield from the start is that you only have 2 spots to fit in other proven premos or any emerging beast as this season's top 8 takes shape. JOM, Swallow or another rookie surely carries risk, but also gives flexibility in case there's a mistake in those first 6 you have picked….. many threats to top 8 from last season: Titch, Cripps, Zerret, Zorko, Dusty, Gray, Bont, etc. Neale came through last season for example to finish with 6th best average.

So wonder whether the right play might be to not have Titch at M6 and get a premo like Simpson in your DEF from the start. Never misses a game and not much variation in points output (low ceiling, high floor). Set and forget, almost no risk of not being top 6 and history says low injury risk. Can be at expense of Mills or in addition to if you are willing to go another rookie in MID. Titch may well end up top 8 and you may have to pay a bit more later, but he's in a new team whose midfield has just lost its two best players. Probably worth a look and pay an extra $40k later if needs be.

Derek

Thanks Valens. Mills has been in team for a while now. there might be some cognitive bias happening as my son played footy with him and i know how good he will be.

My other two spots in midfield are reserved for JPK and Pendles. I think of my best 8 midfield, they seem to start the slowest. there are other emerging talent, but these blokes won't be far off the pace. For me it is all about staying on the field, TMitch looks robust which i like. i had Rocky and BCrouch in my starting team last year.

I really like Simmo, and had him at D1 instead of Adams for a period. he has same bye as Mills. Willing to pick Simmo, shaw and Docherty up at cheaper prices later to fill my defence.

Top Hawk

A very good side in my humble opinion πŸ˜‰

Quite a few similarities to my side at this stage. Great to see you are backing Roughie! Worried about Rioli with those suspect hammies of his mind you. I am not sure about your choice not to have either D Swallow nor JOM. Perhaps you need to pick at least one of these two blokes to hedge your bets. I have picked both. I have kept Myers as a loophole donkey. I expect him to play around round 6. Preserve that cash generation trade.

Other than that, good side. And I love the Mills pick by the way. I am going to see if I can find a way to squeeze him into the Tophawks structure.

cheers

Derek

Thanks TH.
Swallow has been in and out many times.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to go from Brodie to Swallow.

I'm more likely to go Brodie to a cheaper rookie if I can find one. Just don't see either Swallow of JOM earning enough cash fast enough. This year I'm going to cull earlier and get to full premium sooner, those boys not in my plan.

I see Berry only 1-2 weeks away. Very interest in him.

Top Hawk

Fair call Derek.

However, SC is just not about fast cash generation. It is also about fast SC points generation.

Here lies my argument- You pick Swallow and JOM and you get premo SC point output at a discounted price. Both will still generate cash whilst onfield. Period

If one or both get injured, or under perform, then that is bad luck. This is why we have season trades. If I have to trade these guys out, they will not drop a lot in price, and can still replace them/him with a player(s) on "the bubble".

Points win Supercoach. Only points! (The rest is a negotiation)

Derek

Fair enough. Taking the high injury risk of picking Swallow or JOM away for a moment, lets say they average 90 each. When do you get rid of them? I would say you need to keep them until the byes to reach full potential.

The great thing about cheapies is they have one big score and Bam for 3 weeks massive price rise. For the expensive rookies it doesn't have the same effect, in fact as the big score rolls out, and you are not ready to cull, you may in fact have a price drop.

In the meantime, the cheap rookie who might have just been averaging 70 has long been culled and the next bubble boy is also about ready to upgrade to a premium coming off their bye. The cash made on the first cheapies was used to get a premium who scores better than JOM and Swallow.

So come the byes, you will have less cash, less premiums and probably less points plus two almost sideways trades to make to premiums.

Look at last years winner. The biggest take away was he culled rookies quickly and got to full premium very soon.

The bottom line is JS.

We want players who will Play. Not even considering the injury risks with Swallow and JOM.

Jordan

Sloane and SPP or
Swallow and omeara

Burnmen

All 4.

Sloane might not play round one, So Swallow O'meara and SPP.

Jimmy

Why is no one selecting Parker this year??

mikeg

Coming back from surgery in the off season- limited training and prep I suspect.

hedski

If he plays jlt3 and named round 1 he's in for me Jimmy, starts like a madman (Brownlow smokey).
Hopefully can play 22 this year, have Hannas there atm.

John

Libberatore and Riewoldt or Sloane and either Isaac smith or caddy

Dukes

Sloane likely to miss rd1

Burnmen

None of those options.

wolfman1226

BACKS : Docherty, Shaw, Johannisen, Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis (Stewart, Smith)

MIDS: Danger, Pendlebury ,Hannebery, Treloar, Fyfe, Swallow, Brodie, Powell-Pepper (Hibberd, Freeman, Miles)

RUCKS: Gawn, Goldstein (Strnadica)

FWDS: Riewoldt, Dahlhaus, Macrae, Black, Pickett, Butler, (Cameron, Eddy)

this is what i am currently sitting on
any advice lads

Dave

Bernie Vince or Zac Williams ? Leaning towards Vince for DPP

Seeker

Vince is likely to play that Doc, Shaw defensive sweeper role, His DE % might rise as he's hitting up targets. He'll get less time in the middle because of the Dee's midfield development but there will be still be some time in there. He also enjoys contested possession.

Zac is very good but I worry he needs more time in the middle to get his scores up enough to be a top 10 defence keeper and with GWS's midfield just don't see it happening. He also seemed to run out of steam last year post the bye

INPieman

Vince for me. But I wouldn't be surprised if Zac stepped up to premo

liam

petracca yes or no

Burnmen

Risky.

hedski

Na

Doc

H.shaw/Rockliff/Gawn/Pickett

Or

T.adams/Titch/Ryder/caddy

Derek

It seems like there are 3 types of Mid-pricers.

1. Fallen true premium (Sandilands, Beams, Maybe Roughie & Wingard)
2. The "never was and never will be" (there are too many to name…Rich, BSmith, Higgins types)
3. Young up and coming breakout (Petracca, Heeney, Mills, JOM, Swallow)

Category 1 is where we need to look to get most of our mid-pricers from. the trick is to look at why they have fallen and weigh the risks associated with that. Does this problem still exist?

Category 2 you get a big RED pen and start crossing out names. (last two years i have failed with 9 out of my 9 selections. Two selections from category 1 were Wells last year and Cloke the year before, 1 out of 2)

Category 3 is for the bragging rights. Bit like poker machine addicts, only brag about the times they won and forget to mention the losses. Will be hit and miss, mostly miss. I had a look at some old Jock Mid-price cheat sheets of years gone by….wow there were some bad one in there that were considered valid at the time

Patch's article on Mid-pricers…. for those who have not read this magnificent piece… read it NOW http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2017/01/19/superco

SCaddict

I'd say by JOM and Swallow are closer to the fallen premium category than the breakout contender. Both have produced premium output for an entire season before. In Swallow's case it was just over a ton per game and JOM just under.

So you're not hoping for them to "break out" as such but rather return to or slightly exceed the premium output they have already delivered in the past.

SnakeWu

Def: Docherty, Montagna, Adams, Laird, Hampton, Vickers (Stewart, Ryan)

Mid: Danger, Pendles, Rocky, Fyfe, O'Meara, Swallow, Brodie, SPP ( Barrett, Wigg, Hibberd)

Ruck: Goldy Grundy (Sterndick)

Fwd: Dahl, Macrae, Caddy, Mclug, Gallucci, Black (Cunico, Eddy)

Thoughts appreciated community!

Jason

Gaz for 2018 FORWARD ELIGIBILITY LOCK

Supercoach Spud

Who should take out of my back 3 for Vince ,,, Doch,Adams or Laird

Burnmen

Why are you changing to Vince?

Supercoach Spud

Have a good feeling about him

Burnmen

Could trade out Doch if you think his price will go down by the bye period.

Bruce paperclips

Adams- Other two are proven. Adams still has a question on his durability IMO. In saying that I think Adams has a better upside than Vince. Go with your gut Bro!

gator59

Currently have 13 keepers, but am i going in to hard with Fyfe at M7

Top Hawk

WTF? That strategy is retarded. WELCOME!

Derek

You have far too much time on your hands

Supercoach Spud

Backs=Doch,,Laird,Vince,Hamton ,Newman,Ryan,Vickers-Wills,Stewart,
Mids=Danger,JPK,Pendles,Gray,Shuey,Fyfe,SPP,Picket,Jarman,Graham,Freeman,
Rucks=Gawn,Toby Nak,Strnadica,
Fwds=Josh Kennedy,Dalhouse,Ryder,Roughead,Black,Eddy,Smith,Camreeon,

help with any part of team and $8,111 in bank

Need to look at Andy Otten he was good till he started getting injured

Woody

Bloody brilliant podcast fellas – arousing, hilarious material. Keep it up!

Here is my 100th version & counting…:)

Doc, laird, adams, hampton, ottens, whatcha talkin about willis, hibbo, stewart
Danger, ablett, zerrett, rocky, fyfe, jaegerbomb, swallow, spp, myers, barrett, wigg
Gawn, sandi, preuuuusssss
Dahl, macrae, gunston, rough, black, pickett, T. Smith, eddy

My team is quite similar to a lot of you good people, with some subtle changes.

Still bit unsure with the big investment in doc. Ppl give me reassurance.
Gone ablett great pod now. Yes he is a risk, but reward outweighs that. Won't succeed if you don't take some risks. He is fit now (all i care about & has done most preseason) & im not worried about fwd time – he will be playing in the guts if suns are serious in wanting to win, especially if a game is tight. 1 worry is the round 9 bye, but im comfortable i will have plenty of cover by then.
Zerrett: might be biased being a dons man, but this kid is an absolute gun & another great pod. I dont know if any player in the game in their 3rd yr has polled top 10 in brownlow playing in a team that got the spoon & getting smashed almost every wk? Confident he will only improve this yr.
JOM: why bloody why have you smashed the jlt so far… now every bandwagon person is getting on you. Hasnt left my team since day 1. Welcome majority.
Keeping myers atm as a loophole option in mids & to save a trade for later. If a great rook in mids pops up i will replace him. He will be back around round 4.
Havent gone the jpk, pendles, hanners, treloar etc types as will pick them up later. Don't like 2 uber premos from 1 team, hence not going any of these to start with. See who the best value out of these is later in season & snap them up then as they will drop in value.
Liking preuss with every day goes by as a reasonable backup for sandiballs. I believe he will play & the article yesty re Goldy is giving me more confidence that will happen.
Still unsure with macrae in my fwd line. Only got him in last week replacing billings. Might swap him back with a breakout contender (billings, heeney).
Gunston love, despite being a hawk! Let me just say get jocks mag!

Please provide feedback you beautiful community, criticism not welcome… nah jokes fire away only way to improve. Good luck to you all!

Supercoach Spud

Like the team get rid of gunston i reckon because with Rough back he wont score as much

Derek

I believe Myers has been put on long term injury list. I thought that meant 8 weeks.

Woody

Yes he has, but 2 wks has already past, another 3 wks before season starts leaving round 4 where he is due back.

Seb

Will Deledio be fit round 1 or any JLT?

THE NANK

no

Seb

Thoughts on the team?

Shaw, laird, mills, Hampton, vickers Willis, Newman (Stewart, Guthrie)

Danger, Pendles, hanners, Fyfe, Mitchell, JOM, swallow, PP ( Myers, wiggs, hibberd

Gawn, sandi (preuss)

Riewoldt, Dahl, caddy, roughy, black, miles ( smith, eddy)

I have 146k left so I can upgrade Mills or keep him not sure,

Any opinions, feedback or criticism would be great.

Burnmen

Looks solid to me, although that cash will have to be sorted out as it's not enough to upgrade Sandi to Grundy if he goes down, but it's enough to upgrade someone like Mills as you say.

I think your midfield is a little lean but you might get away with it.

Personally I'd be tempted to go one leaner in the forwards and drop maybe Reiwoldt/Caddy, but that's just me and could be risky.

Derek

McVeigh to miss start of season again. Mills to fill that sweeping role, maybe less midfield for him

Burnmen

Either way should rack up possessions and rebound 50's?

Zee888

Main reasons behind Libba's fall in SC average last year? Could he bounce back?

Steeeve

First year back from an ACL. Could bounce back, showed a lot toward the end of last year. But that midfield is a lot deeper and more polished than it was when he pumped out a 110 average as the top Dog