Jock Reynolds Supercoach Podcast

We’ve lost some ripping FWD DPP options in SuperCoach 2017

And while the SuperCoach Gods have takethed away Dusty, Zorko The Magnificent, Zach Merrett and a few more, he has givethed us some others to stew over.

We look at forward structure, we assess the most likely looking selections at each price point – and we look at ripping the forward line to absolute shreds in 2017.

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207 Comments

Jack A Fraser · 07/02/2017 at 17:03

Thoughts on starting with two rookie rucks to then latter in the season upgrade to the two best ruckman?

    K-diddle shizzle · 07/02/2017 at 17:13

    I am loving Witts with Nicholls and Curry not convincing over the preseason.

    MorrowSC · 07/02/2017 at 17:39

    You need bare minimum, one ultra premium ruckman and his name is Max Gawn, simply put you'll lose far too many points. Seek to save money elsewhere and lock and load in your rucks imo, especially without the the third man up rule this year could see Gawn monster over the lesser rucks.

    Patch · 07/02/2017 at 17:56

    Quaking in my boots at the prospect. You need one ruckman you can rely on at an absolute minimum or you're going to pull all your hair out by round 6

      gaveday · 07/02/2017 at 18:43

      I'm going Stef Martin R1. Witts/sandi r2 Bench is a rook Dpp and player ryder in the fwd line.
      I'm acknowledging the fact I may have to trade my way out of a headache, but I may also strike gold.

      Fortune favours the brave.

        Derek · 07/02/2017 at 20:15

        From someone who started TBC in 2015 and Lobbe in 2016, don't do it!

        Patch · 08/02/2017 at 11:59

        Having Ryder as cover makes a huge difference – would be comfortable with that

jezzzahill · 07/02/2017 at 17:20

Would love to get people's thoughts on my early team.

DEF: Shaw, Rance, Laird, Scharenberg, Hibberd, Newman (Stewart, Ryan)

MID: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, JPK, Selwood, Fyfe, Beams, Ainsworth, Powell-Pepper (Myers, Balic, Freeman)

RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Strnadica)

FWD: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, McCluggage, Pickett, Bolton, (Rioli, Eddy)

    Tyruddanaut · 07/02/2017 at 19:50

    Strnadica is an okay option but I'm not using him for the fact that if a ruck doesn't play there is no way to sub someone in. Your decision though

    Beams has had a bad preseason so swapping him out for a good rookie like McGrath would be a strong choice and using the money elsewhere. Just because he is cheap it doesn't mean he is good

    Your forward line is weak. If you trade out beams use the money to upgrade someone cheap. I'd choose eddy out and Bowes (Fwd, Mid) in for a likely first round play and DPP

    Newman????? Why?????? For a little bit more you can get keeffe who fits Collingwood a line up well and will give you instant profit after the first round if he plays. Or should I say when he plays?

    JPK can be a good choice but hannenberry is performing extremely well in this preseason and is a good sub who will play 22 matches if he doesn't get injured.

    Shaw is declining. Look at his stats. I suggest go for a mid price that is garanteed to go up e.g. Callum Mills, Weitering, Vlaustin, Adams

    Consider these but they might not be what you are looking to do this year in supercoach. Anyway good luck

      Hart_attack · 07/02/2017 at 20:24

      For what its worth i think 80% of the community with vehemently disagree with most of the above

        Keenbutclueless · 07/02/2017 at 20:49

        I am one of the 80%. I do understand how we can get into a group think environment in this forum, and a lot of our teams end up looking the same. What I have found, however, that whilst the teams may look similar, they are better. The logic that created the group think is sound. It is challenged and tested. So when someone says cheaper rookies generate more cash than expensive rookies, the evidence has been put before us to back it up. You may still choose to take the risk, but you do so armed with better knowledge.
        This forum is biased towards a guns and rookie approach. Again because it's proven. I actually looked back in the archives and saw that in 2012, the great man was suggesting a 10-10-10 set up. It appears we have moved on from that. There are some variations – well discussed – about the strengths and weaknesses of the odd mid-pricer, but generally it leans towards GNR. So to actively push someone towards more mid priced options, seems counter intuitive to all our learnings.
        I read everything on this site. I don't mind seeing variant opinions because it is a good challenge to the safety of a group think environment. So whilst I welcome the contribution, I would also suggest it is a radical point of view.

          jockreynolds · 07/02/2017 at 21:39

          "The logic that created the group think is sound." – could not agree more Keen. I think that's true of this season inside the mess hall of our community this year more than ever before.

      Jib JIb · 07/02/2017 at 21:28

      Just one point about Strnadica, I'm picking him in the hope that he gets zero game time because he is the perfect captain loophole for 2017. Lowest possible price, lots of Sunday games, no Friday games and ruck/fwd eligible so you can swing in ruck cover. The worst thing he could this year is start getting games!

      jezzahill · 07/02/2017 at 21:41

      Appreciate the feedback Tyruddanaut. I'll go through the points you've raised and why I've set my team out like this.

      Strnadica is purely for captaincy loophole purposes. Freo play a lot of games in the second half of H&A rounds. I've gone with Gawn and Grundy so (hopefully) I won't need to use trades on the rucks. Set and forget.

      Beams – not locked in at this point. Will monitor over the JLT competition. Will also be watching Dave Swallow closely. If Beams can get a full season together, I believe he can hit a 110+ average just as he did in 2014 and '15.

      The group of forwards we have to choose from this year is pretty threadbare. Dahlhaus should be nearly everyone's first picked forward and Macrae should at least hold his value/average. Heeney is not locked yet by any means. McCluggage is almost guaranteed to play Round One, likewise with Eddy. I think most people throw rookies in at this time of the year as placeholders. The rookies will be finalised just prior to Round One.

      Every piece of info I've read is saying Newman is likely to get a Round One gig. You're right about Keefe also being an option but I don't have the cap space to fit in both him and Scharenberg at $160K+.

      Can't fault picking Dan Hannebery. He's played 44 games in the last two years and has averaged over 113 in both. Kennedy has only missed one game in the last two years. They're both outstanding SuperCoach options and I think it's really just personal preference about which one people choose.

      Shaw's SuperCoach averages have fluctuated his entire career but he's had two great years in 2015 and '16 in particular. Even if his average dips to the 100 mark, he's still a viable selection. He may not hold his value, but will still end up as one of the top handful of defenders in my opinion.

      Picking people's teams apart is good because it makes everyone think a bit harder about their structure and which players they pick, and you're comment has certainly done that so cheers!

        jockreynolds · 07/02/2017 at 22:13

        Absolutely love this breakdown action Jezza, and you're attitude to the game is exceptional son.

          jezzzahill · 07/02/2017 at 22:24

          Learnt most of it through the Father of Fantasy yourself, Jock. Keep up the great work!

            Derek · 08/02/2017 at 08:57

            As Jock say, who are we not if we can't hold up a mirror to ourselves and to our community.

        throttlefinger · 08/02/2017 at 09:14

        Completely agree, Jezza. Take the feedback and put it through that great mind of yours. No geniuses here. All working toward a common goal…SC Domination. Best of luck to you this year, my man.

        Daniel · 10/02/2017 at 10:40

        I frequently got smacked last year for not having Shaw so I'm pretty keen on him this year. Plays in a gun side, defends no one and demands/gets the pill.

      Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 21:58

      There is no guarantees in supercoach. ie Mills/Weitering/Vlastuin/Adams.

    Derek · 07/02/2017 at 20:18

    I see teams with Beams in them and they feel incomplete.

    I'm a no Beams

      Kevan · 08/02/2017 at 01:46

      No Beams either.

      Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 21:58

      Had him, dropped him. No Fyfe either. can't be bothered this game has too many unforseen injuries let alone large risks.

    Hart_attack · 07/02/2017 at 21:20

    Personally id drop ainsworth and mcluggage for a lower price rookie (depending on availability of course) especially ainsworth, small forward = no
    Pretty similar to mine actually
    Hooe yoir worried about beams as much as i an lol

    fatboyfat7 · 08/02/2017 at 15:53

    Sorry to do it again and comment the same thing as I have been the last few weeks but I feel I have to…
    I am very concerned about the impact the R11 bye will have on many teams forward line. This is as good an example as any. Its a decent forward line BUT;
    Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, McCluggage, Pickett all miss that Round 11. I know you could argue that you'll upgrade the rookies by then but that's far to risky for me. I'd strongly consider making at least one corrective change to try and put some more balance in there.

    Luke444 · 09/02/2017 at 21:06

    Which Hibberd lol

    Jack · 11/02/2017 at 20:04

    Great team ✌️

Patch · 07/02/2017 at 17:53

HERE WE GO. Been waiting for your thoughts up forward for a very long while here gents. Keenly awaiting discussion of Shaun "Bloody" Higgins

I'm currently running 1-2-5. Possibly moving to 2-1-5. Not going less than 5 rookies.

    Eric_the_Red · 07/02/2017 at 18:18

    Jeez Patch, seems light! How many defenders you running with?

      Patch · 07/02/2017 at 18:27

      3 premiums at the moment, sometimes two and Hartlett. Trying to go large in the middle – currently have 5 shifting uber premos and Dyson Heppell

        Eric_the_Red · 07/02/2017 at 18:30

        Not confident on this years crop of midfield rookies, or just more confident of the other lines? I must say, I love the look of a mid heavy team.

          jockreynolds · 07/02/2017 at 22:17

          The more I think about that 3rd exposed onfield rookie – especially in teams with a risk/reward like Sandi at R2 – the more I don't like it. Firstly you've got the obvious risk as in underperforming rookies leading to donut risk – then you've got the situation where R2 goes down – Ryder or your FWD/RUCK DPP swings into R2 – whooska – 4 on field rookies required. I'm pretty set on 2-2-4 as it stands

            Eric_the_Red · 08/02/2017 at 12:09

            Great point Jock old boy. Good luck this year.

            Patch · 08/02/2017 at 12:10

            The way I'm looking at it is most of the premiums up forward are KPFs, and the Buffalo Jump article from the 2015 JR Mag dictates most forward premos will drop in price, and drop a lot. Most premium mids won't drop half as much.

            I'm willing to take a short term hit for long term gain, and I'm hoping having a stacked midfield will make up for most of the point loss there.

          Patch · 08/02/2017 at 12:06

          It's hard to know at this stage which rookies are looking good. The more we learn, the more my structure will shift, but at this stage McCluggage, Broomhead, Tiea Miles from Hawthorn, Eddy could all hold their own, plus more to be uncovered perhaps?

            Eric_the_Red · 08/02/2017 at 12:10

            Yeah its a tough decision without seeing them play yet.

        Tjd · 08/02/2017 at 14:44

        Hey patch, I'm thinking a stronger midfield, 3 defence premo and weaker forward line.
        What are your thoughts on Pendles, Treloar and Adams in the same lineup?

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 07/02/2017 at 18:44

    Hey patch
    Yep floating the same idea wavering between 4-5 fwd rooks.
    Can we just get the bloody JLT underway so we can put some meat on the bones instead of relying on what ifs?

      Patch · 08/02/2017 at 14:27

      AMEN, trigger

    SCaddict · 07/02/2017 at 19:58

    I'm 1-4-3 atm although you could debate whether Roughie, Bennell and Ryder were midpricers or fallen premos so you could look at it as 4-1-3 depending on your POV with Jock and Higgo's trapdoor spider Heeney as my 1 true midpricer.

    Are you including any from the $200K club in your forward rookies right now Patch?

      Patch · 08/02/2017 at 12:12

      McCluggage is still in due to going weaker as a forward – I really want a really secure rookie at F3/4 if I'm going that way, but aside from that it's hard to tell at this stage.

    Leeds17 · 08/02/2017 at 05:57

    At the moment I've got Dalh, Macrae, Roughhead & Hrovat + 4 rooks, not happy with it.

    Nathan · 08/02/2017 at 09:17

    I've currently got fwd 3-1-4 fwd 500+ line setup
    Backs is 1-2-5 500+
    Mids 6-1-4 hanners m1 to Fyfe m6
    Rucks 1-1-1
    Looks strong and only really stuck my neck out on 1 or 2

    fatboyfat7 · 08/02/2017 at 16:00

    Currently going 2-2-4 with Caddy and Ryder the mid pricers. Not massively convinced on the fwd rooks htis year personally…

OldOcker · 07/02/2017 at 18:04

"He who should not be mentioned" has got another bloody mention, When my nerves settle down a bit I will return and try and make a sensible comment.
One of the biggest bloody burn men is just a glimmering coal in my memory now, I even emptied the Esky ice on him to completely put it out He will NEVER fit into my structure of guns and rookies in the main, Forwards I have not yet decided but I may have to go a midpricer or two.

MorrowSC · 07/02/2017 at 18:08

ROUGHEAD.
Will he average 95+ for the season and a cheap F6 prospect? I like the idea of having him at F4, what's everyones thoughts?

    Patch · 07/02/2017 at 18:16

    Can't see too many going in without him barring bad news before round 1

    RuckmansYEAR · 07/02/2017 at 18:27

    Roughy great prsopect. Had him in but Behind eight ball at moment trying to get right.. i think he misses rd1 so gunna trade in later if he's right..
    He could just go bang though who knows.

    Derek · 07/02/2017 at 20:23

    If I decide to have Sandi at R2, I'll need Ryder at F4, there no room for Roughie.

    He will start slow, but if your patient he will end up being pretty good. As long as you don't judge him on his first 11 weeks.

    Might still be able to get him at a reasonable price around the byes

      jockreynolds · 07/02/2017 at 22:05

      Ryder at F4 here as well DMan – 2 exposed on field rookies – in the event I need to swing Ryder into the ruck allows me to shift the third rookie onfield. I'm worried there's a stack with Ryder at F3.. leaves a fair old pickle if he's required at R2!

        TRIGGER HAPPY · 08/02/2017 at 11:35

        Totally with you on this one Jock.
        If run with Sandi (big if) you must only have two on field rooks so if Ryder is needed in the ruck you only have 3 not 4 rooks on field.

        Although not sold on Sandi holding together or Ryder for that matter after a year off.

        So if upgrade Sandi to a premo can drop Ryder and run 3 rooks on field.

        But again all just hot air until we see all these blokes play and who is picked Rd 1.

          Derek · 08/02/2017 at 11:53

          i really want Sandi to be right to go. Was only planning to get 6-7 weeks out of him.

          one reason was for some nice cash increase, but mainly because i don't know who the second best ruck will be this year, Grundy, Goldy, Martin or Hickey. Having sandi at R2 for a few weeks lets me have a good look at the big guys, especially Goldy, and see who will be the R2 for the season.

Kevan · 07/02/2017 at 18:15

3-0-5. have been able to do this at the moment. Roo, JJK, Macrae. Riley Knight as the expensive rook.

    Redgumwon · 07/02/2017 at 19:12

    No love for Matty White as the cheap rookie?

      Sean · 07/02/2017 at 19:58

      Hamstrings that is alk

        Redgumwon · 07/02/2017 at 20:37

        I plan on being aggressive again this year in early trading of rookies. White could be an early up grade if the hammy goes ping. If not he could be handy if he doesn't get injured,

    Tyruddanaut · 07/02/2017 at 20:07

    I like to keep my F4, 5, 6 expensive rookie because they will probably play

wombatsfc · 07/02/2017 at 18:44

Get on Toby. No Delidio to take points off him

TRIGGER HAPPY · 07/02/2017 at 18:50

Anyone thinking about starting Lids?

Better re think that one he has done his calf already before a ball has even been bounced.

Straight into the can't trust basket.

    SCaddict · 07/02/2017 at 19:49

    Lids has been an accident waiting to happen for a while now. I wasn't a believer in him last season either so at least dodged one disaster there. This latest news merely reinforces that FACT, no longer a cognitive bias I'm afraid.

      OldOcker · 07/02/2017 at 20:28

      SCaddict, Good one, Not hard to tell you have been doing some reading.
      Lids is one less media tool.

Jack Viney · 07/02/2017 at 19:06

Hi guys, what are everyone's thoughts on Jack Viney having a breakout year and becoming the next 'SuperCoach beast'

    Sean · 07/02/2017 at 20:02

    Not strong always a chance to get injured or suspended in my opinion

    Off The Bench · 07/02/2017 at 23:53

    Aren't you best placed to tell us how you'll go?

Hart_attack · 07/02/2017 at 19:18

Dunno if im the only one just fonding out but ben long from saints will miss first 2 rounds with suspension
Quoted from coach on afl site ask the coach
Another rookie scratched

    Jib JIb · 07/02/2017 at 19:28

    Not all bad, we get to suss him out for 2 rounds without commitment and if he's good our first downgrade is sorted.

    SCaddict · 07/02/2017 at 21:21

    Indeed I have already removed him from my defence accordingly. Reckon you need 7 bench earners from day dot plus one loophole most likely at R3. Starting with him on your bench and then praying that he MIGHT get picked for Rd3 is probably only putting yourself behind in the cash generation race.

    Only scenario I might consider starting him is if he tears up the JLT and there are no other viable rookies named to take his place at Rd1 which I seriously doubt will be the case. Even then I'd probably prefer to just restructure my side and bring in an extra midpricer or premo on that line.

    So will likely bring him in as a bubble boy even as early as Rd5 (if he was start playing from Rd3) as there is always some injured premo or under-performing midpricer you can downgrade to him from, especially with DEF/FWD eligibility.

      Off The Bench · 07/02/2017 at 23:54

      Timing might be good. Unlikely he'll jump start in the seniors post his suspension…

        Off The Bench · 07/02/2017 at 23:55

        * jump straight

      Hart_attack · 08/02/2017 at 07:19

      Yes may be a very handy swing set, especially if ridley can get a run for the dons
      Don't think i could have him on the pine as a maybe type rookie, i used to do thay when i first started out but i like to think im wiser these days

      Derek · 08/02/2017 at 08:19

      If he was a no brainer to play round 3 you might think about him in your starting team to save a trade

        SCaddict · 08/02/2017 at 10:48

        If he proves to be the next coming of JOM in the JLT perhaps I'll reconsider but too many ifs buts and maybes for my liking right now – so out of my side he comes.

          Derek · 08/02/2017 at 11:54

          there are so few DEF/FWD players this year, really was hoping he was our guy

            Wighty · 08/02/2017 at 12:42

            This means he could be the first bubble trade when ever he has played two games.

              Derek · 08/02/2017 at 12:51

              if there was another rookie with DEF/FWD status that is playing (Ridley) it could be worth starting with Long just to have a swinging loophole player to maximise the rookie scores.

              I used H Goddard as that a couple of years ago. will have to check when Essendon and saints play and even if Ridley gets a game.

            I N Pieman · 08/02/2017 at 15:08

            It comes down to the other rookies. I'm not against starting Nomcoc if he looks like he belongs through the JLT. I did it with Petrecca last year. That was a good move

Tyruddanaut · 07/02/2017 at 19:31

Heeney and scharenberg or Vlausin and thurlow
Both heeney and vlaustin may move up to midfield so they are similar
But what about a mid pricer or a rookie price (I am using this for cash cow position btw
Plus I have lots extra so mixing and matching or give me another option bc I don't know what to do with these spots

    Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:10

    Sharenberg is the only one worth having in your team out of those four, unless Heeney is going to break out and become a 500-550K keeper……good luck with that.

demon_spud · 07/02/2017 at 19:39

Just throwing some names out there, happy to get burnt from feedbacks, typical 'burning it up' comments from reports
In no particular order:
1. Riley Knight 200k (3rd year looking for a new contract?)
2. Jamie Elliot (returning from a back injury…oh yeah…..nevermind)
3. Nathan Hrovat (new home, pumping into the midfield)

    Declan · 07/02/2017 at 19:46

    Hrovat props will get mid time considering the senior departures however I can't see him warranting the spend of 300k, Riley knight at 200k looks the most appealing to me, because he is 100k cheaper, however needs to get some time in mid to have a decent output.

    Jamie Elliot's highest score for a season was in 2014 an average of 83 I believe. If he can replicate that form his selection may be warranted, however with the injuries in the last years and Thomas and young rookies coming back it might make it hard for Elliot to score heavily, only one I'm considering is Riley Knight.

    Derek · 07/02/2017 at 20:27

    Knight is in my team

      Derek · 07/02/2017 at 20:28

      I also like Turner (Norf) $171k

        OldOcker · 07/02/2017 at 22:07

        Derek, I am with you on the Turner selection at this stage of proceedings, At least he has climbed a hill.

    sharmanism · 07/02/2017 at 22:10

    Saw the rat play in the practice match on Saturday – he's 90% locked in after that effort. If he looks decent in JLT he's a definite starter and will score pretty well.

    Keeping a keen eye on Knight.

    Not at all keen on TS.

Sean · 07/02/2017 at 20:05

Riley knight currently in my side after winning time trial and tex stating he thinks he can fill one of the midfield roles Elliot injury prone and hrovat neither here or there risky selection imo

Derek · 07/02/2017 at 21:25

I think I'm the only one who has mentioned Cyril in their team, is there anyone else considering him?

    Kev · 07/02/2017 at 21:43

    Had a look into him a few weeks back, Dreek. 88-92 average looks about his range. His average stats are more or less unchanged over a 5 year period. 7 tons in 2016 but also 8 times under 80. Pass.

      Derek · 07/02/2017 at 22:14

      I'm interested.

      His history average has been affected by a few hammy injuries, he seems pretty fit now and reports are he has improved in every part of his preseason. Should increase his TOG, averaged less than 78% last 3 years.

      He may get some midfield time with Sam and Lewis and Hill now gone. Part of leadership group now, he will step up

      I also think the rushed behinds rule change will make defenders keep ball in forward line longer, giving Cyril more opportunity.

      Having Tyrone and Roughie big bodies in forward line will give more crumbing opportunities

      He only needs to increase his average 5/6 points to be top 6 forwards

      I might just have some serious Cognitive Bias problems.

        jockreynolds · 07/02/2017 at 22:31

        Part of the leadership group.. now that IS very very interesting. All I can think of is TWANG with junior boy. Worth a thought mate great stuff

        OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 00:31

        I love the thought of a fully fit Cyril.
        I obviously had a look at him Derek but the Twang is too much stress for me and just does not fit into my Top 6 forwards.
        Hawthorn have a Utility player by the name of Burgoyne who I am sure will share midfield time with others.
        That is the way Hawthorn seems to play and I don't think it will change this year. Duties are shared by all.
        I just think he is way too risky to start in my team. If you decide to go with him mate I wish you and Cyril the best of luck.

          Derek · 08/02/2017 at 08:30

          I've never had him in my team, but always wanted to just for the excitement factor alone.

          I hear you about the Twang, but all reports he is 100% and has been all year. Only missed 5 games in last 2 years and 2 of them were when his grand father died and was "managed" twice.

          He doesn't need to touch the ball much to score. His PB is 21 disposals. He won a Norm Smith with 18 touches.

          I might hold onto him. Massive POD, especially at F3.

            OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 10:32

            Yeah I agree he would be a massive POD, I am not here to talk you out of it mate and I know very well you do your research. (I just cannot see him finishing in the top 6 FWDS)
            I remember the family situation very well and you may well be right. You do make some very good points.
            I personally am not looking at a player that I might have to make a corrective trade with in my opinion but it does seem to happen every year for me and trades are going to be so important as always.
            Decisions and final team selection is going to come down to what rookies are available in the first round.
            Structure for me is G&R except for FWD line maybe, I am undecided on that line.

              Derek · 08/02/2017 at 12:09

              He is currently the 11th most expensive forward, and that has Waite ahead of him, so we could argue he is already in the top 10.
              I really don't like Key position players, so looking for midfield types. Might have a closer look at Caddy

                OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 12:51

                KPP Might be the go this year, I have been working on formulae on last years Break Evens and contacted INP to do an article either on his own or in conjunction with me about how, when and what effect the CD changes take and make effect on player prices. I am SURE many are not aware of this and could affect decision making.
                Let's face the facts all gun prices fall unless they have a better than career best average at the start of the season.
                Just some food for thought ATM. Maybe looking at Stepping Stones rather than mid priced keepers is the way to go. (There are Nuggets worthy) Upgrade early like last years winner did was a great move.
                Just a thought.

                  Derek · 08/02/2017 at 13:13

                  It wasn't that long ago when a player could kick the winning goal on the siren and score 50 pts just for that.

                  The scoring has changed from those days and with it came dominance of the midfield type players

                    Derek · 08/02/2017 at 13:16

                    The was a swans player once who subbed on in last quarter kicked the winning goal from outside 50 on the boundary and he ended with 98sc. Those were the days, your guys were playing poor but could still do ok with a last gasp win

                    SCaddict · 08/02/2017 at 15:01

                    Yeah Andrejs Everitt I believe it was versus the Cats.

                    How many SC points must have Nick Davis racked up in that 4th term of that famous semi-final comeback against the Cats in 2005!

                    OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 15:30

                    Addict, who knows that is why I was looking for INP to do an article either on his own or in conjunction with me to fully explain when B/E changed last year and what effect it has on prices, Also add in the SC scoring system for this year.
                    I don't think a lot truly understand this and it could be helpful to them.
                    My bloody internet keeps dropping out and my phone is having the same problem so if I don't answer questions or responses you know why.

                    OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 15:37

                    Exactly right mate, Scoring has changed and now we may have to take a fair dinkum look at the KP Player again which some have undeniably good consistent stats. Tough decisions and a lot of research happening in the fwd line ATM.
                    Bugger my internet it keeps dropping out and my phone won't connect either.
                    If I don't reply you know why.

                    Derek · 08/02/2017 at 17:47

                    i had a quick look at the SC scoring system, didn't realize that they had added "Mark on a lead – 5pts" in 2016, instead of the regular 2pts for an uncontested mark. This is significant, especially as a contested mark is 6pts.

                    Jib JIb · 08/02/2017 at 17:59

                    That is a revelation. Could totally change my approach to my forward structure.

                    OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 20:06

                    Spot on mate and the B/E currently used is 5440 but that is not affecting trading time where as R5 the figure changes. That is why i use the figure I do because it gives you a realistic view of price change and expected average for their price. People may debate this but the figure when you start trading is what i was working on.
                    This is why ALL guns drop in price if they do not perform above last years average.

    Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:11

    Good option, one of the better forward picks this year for sure. Would take him over Caddy personally.

Jimmy P · 07/02/2017 at 22:45

Would love some feedback on my team, pretty confident on my structure although it is risky.

DEF: Laird, Lloyd, Hibberd, Keefe, Scharenberg, Otten (Ryan, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Hannebery, Treloar, Martin, Bont, Fyfe, Heppell, Beams (Myers, Graham, Bolton)
RUCK: Grundy, Ryder (Strndica)
FWD: Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, Pickett, Rioli, Long (Eddy, Smith)

Thanks in advance!

    Kevdog · 08/02/2017 at 08:34

    Solid team. However I reckon the defense and forward line are a bit weak, so I would be downgrading some of your mids like Martin, heppell and beams and using the extra cash to upgrade hibberd into a premo defender and perhaps adding a premo in your forward line as well.

    Derek · 08/02/2017 at 09:02

    Not sure if Martin, Bont and Heppell are top 8

    JessCoach · 08/02/2017 at 09:24

    Hey there,

    I dont like all the risks and midpricers you've got here, as theres a few too many 'maybe' picks. Beams as M8 is too deep in the mids, which hurts your other lines and doesnt provide oppurtunity to give your mid rookies some field time. I suggest taking some cash from the midfield, and moving towards upgrading the midpricers in ruck, def, and fwds. Get more rookies in the team because nobody ultimately wins without a more guns and rookies approach. Good luck Jimmy ☺

    Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:18

    Don't like Lloyd,Hibberd, Keefe, Otten, Fyfe, Beams (unless 100% fit), Ryder and Heeney. All maybes and most of them with little reward. All will likely end up in a trade wasted. Poor supercoach basics 😉

Tjd · 07/02/2017 at 23:12

Hi all few quick questions.

– Is T.Adams, S.Pendlebury & A.Treloar too much pie in one team? Guessing responses will be depends on if you have other players from the same bye round? Any other things that people think would come into speculation please let me know.

– Do people think it is key that we try and pick who we think will be 2017s next SuperCoach beast or is it still a good chance that one can be highly successful without selecting a 'predicted 2017 scoach beast' in your starting lineup.

– Current D3 is Jasper Pittard – thoughts on him?

– Other good $450-$520k defence options?

Cheers lads

    Declan · 08/02/2017 at 07:08

    TJD you can still be successful without going out and trying to predict the next super coach beast, Other fairly solid defence options is TMac, Hodge, possibly Jake Lloyd, however I would spend an extra 25k on Pittard and go with Laird.

    Derek · 08/02/2017 at 08:34

    I'm slightly worried about having Pendlebury and Trelor in same team, until I see Pies are top 8 team

      Jib JIb · 08/02/2017 at 12:44

      Agreed. Also Pieman (I think) has also said a few times that Pendles might be playing forward a lot more this season, obviously not ideal.

        Derek · 08/02/2017 at 13:19

        Yes, and Pendlebury can do that where the other boys can't

        I N Pieman · 08/02/2017 at 14:56

        That's the word. Hopefully he's just resting forward. But he is still the best Mid in the team & one of the best in the business. Hopefully Buckley is smart enough to realise that. But that's a big if. I have Pendles in my team. Track record second to none for durability with elite scoring

      Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:21

      lol they both scored great last season…..top 8 doesn't mean jack.

      I remember they said pendlebury would play a different role last year too……..he still scored really well even carrying rib injuries right?

      There's nothing wrong with having both of them in your team just like having multiple sydney blokes wasn't a problem last year…..it's the myth that keeps on mystifying.

    Jib JIb · 08/02/2017 at 12:46

    I don't think it's necessary to start with one in your side although if one emerges early in the season you want to get them in ASAP. Last years winner did this with Zerrett, bought him in with a corrective in rd2, about 10-12 weeks before the rest of the comp got on board in a big way.

    Derek · 08/02/2017 at 13:17

    Mills is the best mid price option in defence

      Derek · 08/02/2017 at 16:27

      Keep an eye on Atley (Norf $353k)

        Tjd · 08/02/2017 at 22:10

        Interesting, though 1 Ton in last 42 outings.

      Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:22

      420K? Barely mid price. That's a sure waste of a trade there or an average D6.

    fatboyfat7 · 08/02/2017 at 15:18

    I don't mind the Pittard selection personally. He's not in many teams, perhaps due to his limited ceiling. If you can cover him him for the early bye then he's handy to have come R11-R13. Relatively consistent scorer albeit not prolific and IIRC, has slightly increased his output 2 consecutive years. I'm guessing maintain 90-95 point avg, nothing wrong with that…

      Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:23

      Pittard has proved himself to be reliable.

Urbanlegend · 08/02/2017 at 00:29

Thought's on McCarthy from Freo???

    Redgumwon · 08/02/2017 at 10:56

    Be a slow burn I think. I like other fwd/mid around the same price

    I N Pieman · 08/02/2017 at 14:30

    Not keen on Cam Mac in the slightest. Will have the main Gorilla every week, historical average is bad & hasn't played for ages. Pass

Big G · 08/02/2017 at 10:21

I have never started with Buddy, but he reliably averages over 90 each year and can go big. Could be a nice forward POD?

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 08/02/2017 at 11:42

    Had surgery in preseason.
    Back with main group non contact work so far.
    so a delayed pre season.

    Do you have the stomach to ride the buddy roller coaster?

      Derek · 08/02/2017 at 12:12

      he is a perfect bye round upgrade. will come home with a big Buffalo Bounce

        Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:24

        Agreed

Thomas · 08/02/2017 at 12:13

I know this isn't fwd related, but originally had Doch in my team but thinking i should wait until he drops in price and pick him up a little later. So who should i bring in? I'm ruling out Simmo and Shaw as they are similar in price, and i already have Laird and Adams. So i was thinking either TMac, Rance or JJ. Am i right to think this or should i lock him in anyway and take the points?

    Jib JIb · 08/02/2017 at 12:42

    They all have their pros and cons but if TMac can carry his form from the second half of 2016 into the JLT then I'd say TMac – although I admit that I probably suffer a little cognative bias about TMac.

      fatboyfat7 · 08/02/2017 at 15:13

      TMac. I'm applying the same logic as you, currently have TMac at D1 but I'm hot/cold on Burgoyne…

        Jib JIb · 08/02/2017 at 15:21

        Jeez TMac at D1 is a big risk. This year he's D4 at best I would've thought

    MorrowSC · 08/02/2017 at 15:29

    Why rule out Simmo/Shaw? I'm with the idea that you at least have to have on of Doch, Shaw or Simmo locked in as your D1.. you'll find yourself trying to get them in the whole season other wise.
    If you're not going either of those three, lock in Rance. Durable. Consistent. Will have his ups and downs but likely to average 100 for the first time of his career and thus, finish top 6 defenders + play 22 games, barring injury.
    TMac too inconsistent and JJ, just no.

      Jib JIb · 08/02/2017 at 16:10

      TMac is nowhere nearly as inconsistent as what people think, his main problem is that if he has a bad run of form can it last 4-6 weeks – same goes for when he hits a good run of form. That's why it's important to see how he's travelling in the JLT before making a decision. If he's not hitting 90's+ in the JLT I wouldn't consider him.

      Surprise stat: TMac's consistency rating is 9, Rance is almost 24 (to be fair Rance has a much higher ceiling).

        jockreynolds · 09/02/2017 at 14:14

        Gday JIB – I noticed that the auto spam filter thing knocked off a few of you're comments which happens from time to time for no reason – should be right now mate

          Jib JIb · 10/02/2017 at 11:22

          Cheers Jock I was wondering what was going on.

      Derek · 08/02/2017 at 16:17

      If you have already identified your top 6 defenders, as long as you start with at least 3 of them, it doesn't matter which 3 imo.

      Don't go and get a "near-top 6"

        Derek · 08/02/2017 at 16:22

        Docherty, Shaw, Simmo, Adams, Laird are my locked in top 5.

        My D6 is still being considered and may not reveal themself until a few rounds. TMac, JJ and Silk are unlikely.

          Leeds17 · 09/02/2017 at 05:53

          Montagna & Hodge are the two that I think will be around the mark though I couldn't go with Hodge with his injury history & joey seems at peak price, Never had Rance but impressively consistent over the last 3 seasons

          Don · 09/02/2017 at 11:39

          Who is Silk.

        Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:25

        Exactly

Zee888 · 08/02/2017 at 14:14

Thoughts on Coniglio?

    OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 14:54

    I like the boy.

    Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:25

    Solid choice

hedski · 08/02/2017 at 14:58

I wonder if Harry Taylor could be an option in defence now that he's likely to play forward this year, a few sausage rolls per game could boost his average back up a bit.
Too hot and cold?
Any thoughts?

    I N Pieman · 08/02/2017 at 15:58

    Playing as a key forward with all the other great options down back….all yours Hedski. SD is huge & will be worse playing forward

      hedski · 08/02/2017 at 16:23

      Yeah ya probably right Pieman, he's no chance to be in my team had him a few years back, just putting it out there,

I N Pieman · 08/02/2017 at 15:55

Not sold on the 5 rookie strategy in the Fwd line. I think the better scoring ones will come from other lines

    Derek · 08/02/2017 at 16:13

    Agree

    I'll go pretty deep in forward line.

    3 guns. Ryder F4, Knight F5 & Turner F6.

    There are a few cheapie rookies but I'd be worried if they need to be on field

    OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 16:18

    Five rookie strategy in the fwd line could be a tragic mistake, Too many things can go wrong.
    Do you have cover for Rucks or do you think your Ruck bench will be playing? (Even if you think you have set and forget)
    Relying on 3 on field rookies is very dangerous.

      Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:26

      True, but will have to wait for NAB and round one teams to make a decision on structure I believe. Till then play around and get your choices sorted.

    Leeds17 · 09/02/2017 at 05:39

    It is the only line that I'm really willing to slot in a stepping stone player like a Hrovat.

Glenn · 08/02/2017 at 17:18

my current team (changes 5 times a day)

Backs: docherty, Adams, laird, keefe, sharenburg, Hampton (hibberd, Ryan)

Mids: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Fyfe, rockcliff, Hepple, Murphy, pepper-Powell, Myers (pickett, McGrath, freeman)

Rucks: Gawn, Martin (stranadica)

Forwards: dahlhouse, Heeney, Ryder, mcluggage, turner, Bowes (eddy, Bolton)

33k left over.
Obviously my first 2 upgrades will be in defence and up forward.
Thoughts please? Cheers

    Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 01:28

    Not bad but that forwardline is risky, and that midfield injury prone. Rockliff and Fyfe?

    I'd be tempted to drop Martin or Gawn too and run Giles/Witts if they are named no.1 rucks.

    This could open up funds for upgrades to some risky picks.

OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 17:21

Todd Goldstein set to miss Kangaroos' first 2 pre-season games with an ankle injury.
Source is SuperFooty on Twitter via LEK.

Bugger that Cognitive Bias ain't working out for me this year already.
Do we need to worry about Goldy after playing with obvious injury last year?

    Derek · 08/02/2017 at 17:50

    this is why i'm really really keen to start with Sandi. I'm not sure who will be the second best ruck this year. I was hoping i'd get 6-7 weeks out of Sandi for a nice cash rise and also give me time to see who will be R2

      hedski · 08/02/2017 at 18:24

      I think Sandiballs is a bit banged up ATM as well Derek

        Kevan · 10/02/2017 at 10:56

        Watched a training session recently. Sandi looking good, very good. Hoping, like Derek, he can last 6>8 weeks, will be a good cash cow. Not going in with cover.

    SCaddict · 08/02/2017 at 17:54

    I've pretty much scratched him off my short list of starting ruck options OO.

      OldOcker · 08/02/2017 at 18:34

      I never had him on my starting list this year.
      I am going deep in the mids Rucks (Wait for it) Martin & Grundy ATM. Tom Boyd who should improve as fwd ruck cover. F4 ATM
      I am also worried about Gawn and One of my choices will be easily upgraded to him if necessary.
      We would all love Sandi to be right and play but even though a bargain price could be too risky.
      Must consider Tom Hickey as well for a stepping stone to Gawn if he remains injury free.

        SCaddict · 08/02/2017 at 19:35

        The alarm bells were already ringing even before this latest setback. If I'm paying uber premo dollars that guy needs to be fit as a fiddle and wrestling gorillas in the preseason. As much as I would love to start say Parker for example his interrupted preseason means it just safer to go JPK or Hannners.

        For the bargain bin brigade like Sandi, Beams and Bennell I'm prepared to give them a little more leeway as the upside can be so huge and often worth the added risk. But not Goldmember just shy of $600K!

    hedski · 08/02/2017 at 18:27

    I think a Gawn + Stef/Grundy is starting to firm as best bet unless you wanna go a risky R2 (Nankervis/Witts etc).

    SRivo · 08/02/2017 at 19:58

    Gawn & Grundy at this stage. Grundy has a good midfield to help his stats this season. Goldy is very durable though, and more likely to get up for Round 1than Sandi. Not an easy decision though set and forget rucks appear to be the safest option.

    John James · 13/02/2017 at 14:05

    Going with a set and forget Ruck of Gawn and Grundy,just like I had last year,never been sold on Goldy.

SRivo · 08/02/2017 at 18:45

Jock, the magazine is pure gold. Perfect for throne & bedtime wisdoms. Thanks to your glorious team for this piece of genius.

Re forwards, I'm going with a 2,2,4 in the Fwd line. Roo and Dahl to start. As for rucks, Gawn/Grundy/Stnadica with Ryder at F3.

    jockreynolds · 09/02/2017 at 14:12

    Absolutely rapt you're enjoying it mate. We're pretty bloody proud of it!

Damien · 08/02/2017 at 19:03

My forward line is currently 2-2-4

Dahl, Macrae, Ryder (Rioli)
Hrovat, Pickett, Balic (Smith)

Not entirely sold on Hrovat and Ryder, but their JLT series will hopefully cement their spot. I'm prepared to make a corrective trade early for someone like Roughead if I need to as well.

    Daniel · 10/02/2017 at 10:26

    Ryder is a great player but I have a feeling in my gut that Port are going to try and persist with Lobbe and Ryder in the same side, which will kill Ryder's scoring.

    Hawthorn wouldn't have made Roughead their skipper without being confident in his ability to get on the park. He plays all over the ground, is way cheaper and can go huge. Plus their is the smashing cancer thing which is awesome : )

      Kevan · 10/02/2017 at 11:00

      After much thought, going Sandi with no forward cover. Cyril for Ryder. I have the same gut feel about Port and Lobbe. Gamble I know, but you have to be slightly different don't you?

sandni836 · 08/02/2017 at 20:42

I want to know the thoughts from the community!

DEFS: Laird, JJ, Burgoyne, McGrath, Scharenberg, Ryan. (Berry, stewart)
MIDS: Dangerfield, Treloar, Martin, Fyfe, Hepple, Beams, swalllow, powell-pepper. (Myers, Freeman, Graham)
RUCKS: Gawn, Grundy (strnadica)
FWDS: Dahlhaus, Heeney, Roughhead, Steele, Bowes, Pickett. (Bolton, Eddy)

    Leeds17 · 09/02/2017 at 05:57

    Feel like you're mids should be a bit better with only one premo up forward.

    Clarky99 · 09/02/2017 at 10:42

    Not sure i would have Burgoyne in there. For an extra 20k, you can bring in Rance and for an extra 50k you can afford the likes of Simmo and Shaw. Both a lot more consistent.

      Pitch 72 · 09/02/2017 at 16:51

      Burgoyne a lock this year

        Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 20:09

        Due to Lewis and Mitchell leaving? Interesting.

          One's Bowler · 10/02/2017 at 01:54

          As a Hawk fan heard Hodge is flying. Long in the tooth but so is Burger?

Thomas · 09/02/2017 at 10:37

Why is there no love for Lachie Neale? only 2 scores under 90 last year and 8 120+ games.

    Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 10:49

    Because people are getting Fyfe instead? Even though he'll get injured again………..

    SCaddict · 09/02/2017 at 14:47

    Captain team diversity could be one reason if they already have Fyfe. He's also had an interrupted preseason with shoulder, knee and wrist surgery although I think all those were relatively minor procedures and he's back in full training now. Still when you are paying north of $600K some coaches may look elsewhere.

    Perhaps some are even concerned about his numbers slipping a tad with Teen Wolf back in town but make no mistake the kid is a gun if not a downright superstar already!

    Great fact hunt · 10/02/2017 at 09:42

    Sshhh he is a gun and no one is taking him and never breaks down lock for me

    Jib_Jib · 10/02/2017 at 21:26

    Injury concerns, interrupted preseason and price.

Daniel · 09/02/2017 at 15:33

Given the lack of super strong DPP fwds I'm going with the following side. Would love to get thoughts?

BACKS: Simpson , Montagna, Murphy, Keefe, Scharenberg, Ryan (HIbberd, Stewart)
MIDS: Danger, Pendlebury, Hanneberry, Priddis, Sloane, Fyfe, Powell-Pepper, Myers (Barrett, Pickett, Graham)
RUCKS: Gawn, Martin
FWD: Dahlhaus, McCrae, Roughy, McCarthy, McGluggage, Bowes (Eddy, Smith)

I know I have some of the more expensive rookies up forward, but appear at this stage to have the best job security.

    Burnmen · 09/02/2017 at 22:01

    Mccarthy and McCluggage are risky.

    Priddis is declining.. Montagna and Murphy long in tooth. That saying they could all be good picks 🙂

      Daniel · 10/02/2017 at 10:14

      Yeah McCarthy will most likely turn into a cheaper rookie DPP guy who pops up from JLT games, McGluggage too (although his job security should be pretty decent in a rebuilding side).

      I have picked Priddis pretty much every season I have played and he has always been a strong POD. Gets 30 touches falling out of the shower (most of them contested) and tackles like a mad man.

      Montagna could turn into Laird or Adams. Picked him as St Kilda have 7 of their first 10 in the dome and he tends to run around that place at will getting touches.

      Murphy is a risk but much like Montagna and Simpson defends fresh air most weeks and will kick 15 kicks and 6 marks without much trouble.

    Kevan · 10/02/2017 at 11:03

    Round 11 bye might hurt you a bit Daniel.

      Daniel · 10/02/2017 at 16:26

      Thanks for the heads up mate. Have not really considered that stuff yet. Just chucked the availability thing on for that round and spot on (both ruckman out!!!). So much time before the season that one or two injuries or emerging rookies changes your whole side : )

One's Bowler · 10/02/2017 at 01:33

Don't know if I've had too many Rums? Ar&& clown Vickory? 310K and play 2nd ruck. Reminds me of Hale when he started at the Hawks. Cant see his price going down and Clarkson has a way of getting best out of players?

    Great fact hunt · 10/02/2017 at 09:39

    I think you should have another rumbo. Vickers is a spud. Always was always will be. Good luck choosing him be a very much a pod

Bill · 10/02/2017 at 08:49

So far I haven't change my team for a week and I would love the communities thoughts on my team?

BACKS : Docherty, Shaw, Laird, Scharenberg, Hibberd, Ryan (Stewart, Long)
MIDS: Danger, Pendlebury, Sloane, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Beams, Swallaw, Powell-Pepper (Myers,Picket, Graham)
RUCKS: Gawn, Grundy (Strnadica)
FWDS: Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, McCluggage, Bowes, Bolton (Rioli, Eddy)

Got $38 leftover

    Daniel · 10/02/2017 at 10:20

    Like the side Bill. Great structure on all lines. I like Marc Murphy over Beams in the mid price midfield slot.

    Sloane is very underrated and much like the Bont doesn't need 30 touches to score well.

      Bill · 10/02/2017 at 12:13

      Thanks for the Advice

tim · 10/02/2017 at 09:41

thoughts on my team would be great fellas

def: shaw, adams, laird, scharenberg, ryan, stewart (berry, long)

mid: danger, jpk, treloar, gray, fyfe, mcgrath, spp, myers (pickett, freeman, graham)

ruck: gawn, grundy (strnadica)

fwd: dahlhaus, macrae, caddy, roughy, mcCluggage, bowes (bolton, eddy)

cheers all

Bill · 10/02/2017 at 23:50

Can I get some advice for this years team cheers lads

BACKS : Docherty, Shaw, Laird, Scharenberg, Hibberd, Ryan (Stewart, Long)

MIDS: Danger, Pendlebury, J.P Kennedy ,Sloane, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Powell-Pepper, Myers (Picket, Freeman, Graham)

RUCKS: Gawn, Grundy (Strnadica)

FWDS: Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, McCluggage, Bowes, Bolton (Rioli, Eddy)

I got $9,700

Krups · 11/02/2017 at 11:09

Def: Shaw, Williams, Hibberd, Marchbank, Newman, Ryan ( Vickers-willis & Stewart

Mid: Dangerfield, Ablett, Kennedy, Hannebery, Treloar, Fyfe, Powell-pepper, Pickett ( Myers, Bolton, Ronke)

Rucks: Gawn & Hickey ( Strnadica)

Fwd: Dalhalus, Macrae, Lynch, Hoskin-Elliot, Balic, Eddy ( Smith, Allison

    The BONT · 12/02/2017 at 08:50

    Back line is too light

Bill · 11/02/2017 at 11:17

Pendulbery or Treloar

    Luke · 11/02/2017 at 13:28

    Treloar

    Thom · 12/02/2017 at 00:16

    Really struggling with this myself. If Pendlebury was averaging 124 like he used to it would be easier but a few years of 118 makes it a borderline call for treloarto pass him this year.

Jack · 11/02/2017 at 19:59

Should I keep beams?

Steve1 · 11/02/2017 at 21:25

Hi Guys, I made a league for anyone who wants to join, I had my best year and ranked 828 overall last year, not sure if i can beat that but i will try. Anyways league code is 832422 all welcome.

The BONT · 12/02/2017 at 08:39

Who do i go with
Bontempelli or Sloane

sam · 12/02/2017 at 23:36

new to supercoach take it easy boys only trying defence shaw laird McDonald hibberd newman ryan mids danger pendles jpk hannabury fyfe Kelly swallow myers rucks gawn /sandy forwards dahl mccrae mccluggage knight turner bowes thanks

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