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PODCAST: SuperCoach 2017 Forward Line

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Jock Reynolds Supercoach Podcast

We’ve lost some ripping FWD DPP options in SuperCoach 2017

And while the SuperCoach Gods have takethed away Dusty, Zorko The Magnificent, Zach Merrett and a few more, he has givethed us some others to stew over.

We look at forward structure, we assess the most likely looking selections at each price point – and we look at ripping the forward line to absolute shreds in 2017.

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Jack A Fraser

Thoughts on starting with two rookie rucks to then latter in the season upgrade to the two best ruckman?

K-diddle shizzle

I am loving Witts with Nicholls and Curry not convincing over the preseason.

MorrowSC

You need bare minimum, one ultra premium ruckman and his name is Max Gawn, simply put you'll lose far too many points. Seek to save money elsewhere and lock and load in your rucks imo, especially without the the third man up rule this year could see Gawn monster over the lesser rucks.

Patch

Quaking in my boots at the prospect. You need one ruckman you can rely on at an absolute minimum or you're going to pull all your hair out by round 6

gaveday

I'm going Stef Martin R1. Witts/sandi r2 Bench is a rook Dpp and player ryder in the fwd line.
I'm acknowledging the fact I may have to trade my way out of a headache, but I may also strike gold.

Fortune favours the brave.

Derek

From someone who started TBC in 2015 and Lobbe in 2016, don't do it!

Patch

Having Ryder as cover makes a huge difference – would be comfortable with that

jezzzahill

Would love to get people's thoughts on my early team.

DEF: Shaw, Rance, Laird, Scharenberg, Hibberd, Newman (Stewart, Ryan)

MID: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, JPK, Selwood, Fyfe, Beams, Ainsworth, Powell-Pepper (Myers, Balic, Freeman)

RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Strnadica)

FWD: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, McCluggage, Pickett, Bolton, (Rioli, Eddy)

Tyruddanaut

Strnadica is an okay option but I'm not using him for the fact that if a ruck doesn't play there is no way to sub someone in. Your decision though

Beams has had a bad preseason so swapping him out for a good rookie like McGrath would be a strong choice and using the money elsewhere. Just because he is cheap it doesn't mean he is good

Your forward line is weak. If you trade out beams use the money to upgrade someone cheap. I'd choose eddy out and Bowes (Fwd, Mid) in for a likely first round play and DPP

Newman????? Why?????? For a little bit more you can get keeffe who fits Collingwood a line up well and will give you instant profit after the first round if he plays. Or should I say when he plays?

JPK can be a good choice but hannenberry is performing extremely well in this preseason and is a good sub who will play 22 matches if he doesn't get injured.

Shaw is declining. Look at his stats. I suggest go for a mid price that is garanteed to go up e.g. Callum Mills, Weitering, Vlaustin, Adams

Consider these but they might not be what you are looking to do this year in supercoach. Anyway good luck

Hart_attack

For what its worth i think 80% of the community with vehemently disagree with most of the above

Keenbutclueless

I am one of the 80%. I do understand how we can get into a group think environment in this forum, and a lot of our teams end up looking the same. What I have found, however, that whilst the teams may look similar, they are better. The logic that created the group think is sound. It is challenged and tested. So when someone says cheaper rookies generate more cash than expensive rookies, the evidence has been put before us to back it up. You may still choose to take the risk, but you do so armed with better knowledge.
This forum is biased towards a guns and rookie approach. Again because it's proven. I actually looked back in the archives and saw that in 2012, the great man was suggesting a 10-10-10 set up. It appears we have moved on from that. There are some variations – well discussed – about the strengths and weaknesses of the odd mid-pricer, but generally it leans towards GNR. So to actively push someone towards more mid priced options, seems counter intuitive to all our learnings.
I read everything on this site. I don't mind seeing variant opinions because it is a good challenge to the safety of a group think environment. So whilst I welcome the contribution, I would also suggest it is a radical point of view.

Jib JIb

Just one point about Strnadica, I'm picking him in the hope that he gets zero game time because he is the perfect captain loophole for 2017. Lowest possible price, lots of Sunday games, no Friday games and ruck/fwd eligible so you can swing in ruck cover. The worst thing he could this year is start getting games!

jezzahill

Appreciate the feedback Tyruddanaut. I'll go through the points you've raised and why I've set my team out like this.

Strnadica is purely for captaincy loophole purposes. Freo play a lot of games in the second half of H&A rounds. I've gone with Gawn and Grundy so (hopefully) I won't need to use trades on the rucks. Set and forget.

Beams – not locked in at this point. Will monitor over the JLT competition. Will also be watching Dave Swallow closely. If Beams can get a full season together, I believe he can hit a 110+ average just as he did in 2014 and '15.

The group of forwards we have to choose from this year is pretty threadbare. Dahlhaus should be nearly everyone's first picked forward and Macrae should at least hold his value/average. Heeney is not locked yet by any means. McCluggage is almost guaranteed to play Round One, likewise with Eddy. I think most people throw rookies in at this time of the year as placeholders. The rookies will be finalised just prior to Round One.

Every piece of info I've read is saying Newman is likely to get a Round One gig. You're right about Keefe also being an option but I don't have the cap space to fit in both him and Scharenberg at $160K+.

Can't fault picking Dan Hannebery. He's played 44 games in the last two years and has averaged over 113 in both. Kennedy has only missed one game in the last two years. They're both outstanding SuperCoach options and I think it's really just personal preference about which one people choose.

Shaw's SuperCoach averages have fluctuated his entire career but he's had two great years in 2015 and '16 in particular. Even if his average dips to the 100 mark, he's still a viable selection. He may not hold his value, but will still end up as one of the top handful of defenders in my opinion.

Picking people's teams apart is good because it makes everyone think a bit harder about their structure and which players they pick, and you're comment has certainly done that so cheers!

jezzzahill

Learnt most of it through the Father of Fantasy yourself, Jock. Keep up the great work!

Derek

As Jock say, who are we not if we can't hold up a mirror to ourselves and to our community.

throttlefinger

Completely agree, Jezza. Take the feedback and put it through that great mind of yours. No geniuses here. All working toward a common goal…SC Domination. Best of luck to you this year, my man.

Daniel

I frequently got smacked last year for not having Shaw so I'm pretty keen on him this year. Plays in a gun side, defends no one and demands/gets the pill.

Burnmen

There is no guarantees in supercoach. ie Mills/Weitering/Vlastuin/Adams.

Derek

I see teams with Beams in them and they feel incomplete.

I'm a no Beams

Kevan

No Beams either.

Burnmen

Had him, dropped him. No Fyfe either. can't be bothered this game has too many unforseen injuries let alone large risks.

Hart_attack

Personally id drop ainsworth and mcluggage for a lower price rookie (depending on availability of course) especially ainsworth, small forward = no
Pretty similar to mine actually
Hooe yoir worried about beams as much as i an lol

fatboyfat7

Sorry to do it again and comment the same thing as I have been the last few weeks but I feel I have to…
I am very concerned about the impact the R11 bye will have on many teams forward line. This is as good an example as any. Its a decent forward line BUT;
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, McCluggage, Pickett all miss that Round 11. I know you could argue that you'll upgrade the rookies by then but that's far to risky for me. I'd strongly consider making at least one corrective change to try and put some more balance in there.

Luke444

Which Hibberd lol

Jack

Great team ✌️

Patch

HERE WE GO. Been waiting for your thoughts up forward for a very long while here gents. Keenly awaiting discussion of Shaun "Bloody" Higgins

I'm currently running 1-2-5. Possibly moving to 2-1-5. Not going less than 5 rookies.

Eric_the_Red

Jeez Patch, seems light! How many defenders you running with?

Patch

3 premiums at the moment, sometimes two and Hartlett. Trying to go large in the middle – currently have 5 shifting uber premos and Dyson Heppell

Eric_the_Red

Not confident on this years crop of midfield rookies, or just more confident of the other lines? I must say, I love the look of a mid heavy team.

Eric_the_Red

Great point Jock old boy. Good luck this year.

Patch

The way I'm looking at it is most of the premiums up forward are KPFs, and the Buffalo Jump article from the 2015 JR Mag dictates most forward premos will drop in price, and drop a lot. Most premium mids won't drop half as much.

I'm willing to take a short term hit for long term gain, and I'm hoping having a stacked midfield will make up for most of the point loss there.

Patch

It's hard to know at this stage which rookies are looking good. The more we learn, the more my structure will shift, but at this stage McCluggage, Broomhead, Tiea Miles from Hawthorn, Eddy could all hold their own, plus more to be uncovered perhaps?

Eric_the_Red

Yeah its a tough decision without seeing them play yet.

SCaddict

I'm 1-4-3 atm although you could debate whether Roughie, Bennell and Ryder were midpricers or fallen premos so you could look at it as 4-1-3 depending on your POV with Jock and Higgo's trapdoor spider Heeney as my 1 true midpricer.

Are you including any from the $200K club in your forward rookies right now Patch?

Patch

McCluggage is still in due to going weaker as a forward – I really want a really secure rookie at F3/4 if I'm going that way, but aside from that it's hard to tell at this stage.

Leeds17

At the moment I've got Dalh, Macrae, Roughhead & Hrovat + 4 rooks, not happy with it.

Nathan

I've currently got fwd 3-1-4 fwd 500+ line setup
Backs is 1-2-5 500+
Mids 6-1-4 hanners m1 to Fyfe m6
Rucks 1-1-1
Looks strong and only really stuck my neck out on 1 or 2

fatboyfat7

Currently going 2-2-4 with Caddy and Ryder the mid pricers. Not massively convinced on the fwd rooks htis year personally…

OldOcker

"He who should not be mentioned" has got another bloody mention, When my nerves settle down a bit I will return and try and make a sensible comment.
One of the biggest bloody burn men is just a glimmering coal in my memory now, I even emptied the Esky ice on him to completely put it out He will NEVER fit into my structure of guns and rookies in the main, Forwards I have not yet decided but I may have to go a midpricer or two.

MorrowSC

ROUGHEAD.
Will he average 95+ for the season and a cheap F6 prospect? I like the idea of having him at F4, what's everyones thoughts?

Patch

Can't see too many going in without him barring bad news before round 1

RuckmansYEAR

Roughy great prsopect. Had him in but Behind eight ball at moment trying to get right.. i think he misses rd1 so gunna trade in later if he's right..
He could just go bang though who knows.

Derek

If I decide to have Sandi at R2, I'll need Ryder at F4, there no room for Roughie.

He will start slow, but if your patient he will end up being pretty good. As long as you don't judge him on his first 11 weeks.

Might still be able to get him at a reasonable price around the byes

Kevan

3-0-5. have been able to do this at the moment. Roo, JJK, Macrae. Riley Knight as the expensive rook.

Redgumwon

No love for Matty White as the cheap rookie?

Sean

Hamstrings that is alk

Redgumwon

I plan on being aggressive again this year in early trading of rookies. White could be an early up grade if the hammy goes ping. If not he could be handy if he doesn't get injured,

Tyruddanaut

I like to keep my F4, 5, 6 expensive rookie because they will probably play

wombatsfc

Get on Toby. No Delidio to take points off him

Pitch 72

deledio wont be doing much now, done his bloody calf again the git..

Redgumwon

News update at the AFL site
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-02-07/giant-blow-

TRIGGER HAPPY

Anyone thinking about starting Lids?

Better re think that one he has done his calf already before a ball has even been bounced.

Straight into the can't trust basket.

SCaddict

Lids has been an accident waiting to happen for a while now. I wasn't a believer in him last season either so at least dodged one disaster there. This latest news merely reinforces that FACT, no longer a cognitive bias I'm afraid.

OldOcker

SCaddict, Good one, Not hard to tell you have been doing some reading.
Lids is one less media tool.

Jack Viney

Hi guys, what are everyone's thoughts on Jack Viney having a breakout year and becoming the next 'SuperCoach beast'

Sean

Not strong always a chance to get injured or suspended in my opinion

Off The Bench

Aren't you best placed to tell us how you'll go?

Hart_attack

Dunno if im the only one just fonding out but ben long from saints will miss first 2 rounds with suspension
Quoted from coach on afl site ask the coach
Another rookie scratched

Jib JIb

Not all bad, we get to suss him out for 2 rounds without commitment and if he's good our first downgrade is sorted.

SCaddict

Indeed I have already removed him from my defence accordingly. Reckon you need 7 bench earners from day dot plus one loophole most likely at R3. Starting with him on your bench and then praying that he MIGHT get picked for Rd3 is probably only putting yourself behind in the cash generation race.

Only scenario I might consider starting him is if he tears up the JLT and there are no other viable rookies named to take his place at Rd1 which I seriously doubt will be the case. Even then I'd probably prefer to just restructure my side and bring in an extra midpricer or premo on that line.

So will likely bring him in as a bubble boy even as early as Rd5 (if he was start playing from Rd3) as there is always some injured premo or under-performing midpricer you can downgrade to him from, especially with DEF/FWD eligibility.

Off The Bench

Timing might be good. Unlikely he'll jump start in the seniors post his suspension…

Off The Bench

* jump straight

Hart_attack

Yes may be a very handy swing set, especially if ridley can get a run for the dons
Don't think i could have him on the pine as a maybe type rookie, i used to do thay when i first started out but i like to think im wiser these days

Derek

If he was a no brainer to play round 3 you might think about him in your starting team to save a trade

SCaddict

If he proves to be the next coming of JOM in the JLT perhaps I'll reconsider but too many ifs buts and maybes for my liking right now – so out of my side he comes.

Derek

there are so few DEF/FWD players this year, really was hoping he was our guy

Wighty

This means he could be the first bubble trade when ever he has played two games.

Derek

if there was another rookie with DEF/FWD status that is playing (Ridley) it could be worth starting with Long just to have a swinging loophole player to maximise the rookie scores.

I used H Goddard as that a couple of years ago. will have to check when Essendon and saints play and even if Ridley gets a game.

Tyruddanaut

Heeney and scharenberg or Vlausin and thurlow
Both heeney and vlaustin may move up to midfield so they are similar
But what about a mid pricer or a rookie price (I am using this for cash cow position btw
Plus I have lots extra so mixing and matching or give me another option bc I don't know what to do with these spots

Burnmen

Sharenberg is the only one worth having in your team out of those four, unless Heeney is going to break out and become a 500-550K keeper……good luck with that.

demon_spud

Just throwing some names out there, happy to get burnt from feedbacks, typical 'burning it up' comments from reports
In no particular order:
1. Riley Knight 200k (3rd year looking for a new contract?)
2. Jamie Elliot (returning from a back injury…oh yeah…..nevermind)
3. Nathan Hrovat (new home, pumping into the midfield)

Declan

Hrovat props will get mid time considering the senior departures however I can't see him warranting the spend of 300k, Riley knight at 200k looks the most appealing to me, because he is 100k cheaper, however needs to get some time in mid to have a decent output.

Jamie Elliot's highest score for a season was in 2014 an average of 83 I believe. If he can replicate that form his selection may be warranted, however with the injuries in the last years and Thomas and young rookies coming back it might make it hard for Elliot to score heavily, only one I'm considering is Riley Knight.

Derek

Knight is in my team

Derek

I also like Turner (Norf) $171k

OldOcker

Derek, I am with you on the Turner selection at this stage of proceedings, At least he has climbed a hill.

sharmanism

Saw the rat play in the practice match on Saturday – he's 90% locked in after that effort. If he looks decent in JLT he's a definite starter and will score pretty well.

Keeping a keen eye on Knight.

Not at all keen on TS.

Sean

Riley knight currently in my side after winning time trial and tex stating he thinks he can fill one of the midfield roles Elliot injury prone and hrovat neither here or there risky selection imo

Derek

I think I'm the only one who has mentioned Cyril in their team, is there anyone else considering him?

Kev

Had a look into him a few weeks back, Dreek. 88-92 average looks about his range. His average stats are more or less unchanged over a 5 year period. 7 tons in 2016 but also 8 times under 80. Pass.

Derek

I'm interested.

His history average has been affected by a few hammy injuries, he seems pretty fit now and reports are he has improved in every part of his preseason. Should increase his TOG, averaged less than 78% last 3 years.

He may get some midfield time with Sam and Lewis and Hill now gone. Part of leadership group now, he will step up

I also think the rushed behinds rule change will make defenders keep ball in forward line longer, giving Cyril more opportunity.

Having Tyrone and Roughie big bodies in forward line will give more crumbing opportunities

He only needs to increase his average 5/6 points to be top 6 forwards

I might just have some serious Cognitive Bias problems.

OldOcker

I love the thought of a fully fit Cyril.
I obviously had a look at him Derek but the Twang is too much stress for me and just does not fit into my Top 6 forwards.
Hawthorn have a Utility player by the name of Burgoyne who I am sure will share midfield time with others.
That is the way Hawthorn seems to play and I don't think it will change this year. Duties are shared by all.
I just think he is way too risky to start in my team. If you decide to go with him mate I wish you and Cyril the best of luck.

Derek

I've never had him in my team, but always wanted to just for the excitement factor alone.

I hear you about the Twang, but all reports he is 100% and has been all year. Only missed 5 games in last 2 years and 2 of them were when his grand father died and was "managed" twice.

He doesn't need to touch the ball much to score. His PB is 21 disposals. He won a Norm Smith with 18 touches.

I might hold onto him. Massive POD, especially at F3.

OldOcker

Yeah I agree he would be a massive POD, I am not here to talk you out of it mate and I know very well you do your research. (I just cannot see him finishing in the top 6 FWDS)
I remember the family situation very well and you may well be right. You do make some very good points.
I personally am not looking at a player that I might have to make a corrective trade with in my opinion but it does seem to happen every year for me and trades are going to be so important as always.
Decisions and final team selection is going to come down to what rookies are available in the first round.
Structure for me is G&R except for FWD line maybe, I am undecided on that line.

Derek

He is currently the 11th most expensive forward, and that has Waite ahead of him, so we could argue he is already in the top 10.
I really don't like Key position players, so looking for midfield types. Might have a closer look at Caddy

OldOcker

KPP Might be the go this year, I have been working on formulae on last years Break Evens and contacted INP to do an article either on his own or in conjunction with me about how, when and what effect the CD changes take and make effect on player prices. I am SURE many are not aware of this and could affect decision making.
Let's face the facts all gun prices fall unless they have a better than career best average at the start of the season.
Just some food for thought ATM. Maybe looking at Stepping Stones rather than mid priced keepers is the way to go. (There are Nuggets worthy) Upgrade early like last years winner did was a great move.
Just a thought.

Derek

It wasn't that long ago when a player could kick the winning goal on the siren and score 50 pts just for that.

The scoring has changed from those days and with it came dominance of the midfield type players

Derek

The was a swans player once who subbed on in last quarter kicked the winning goal from outside 50 on the boundary and he ended with 98sc. Those were the days, your guys were playing poor but could still do ok with a last gasp win

SCaddict

Yeah Andrejs Everitt I believe it was versus the Cats.

How many SC points must have Nick Davis racked up in that 4th term of that famous semi-final comeback against the Cats in 2005!

OldOcker

Addict, who knows that is why I was looking for INP to do an article either on his own or in conjunction with me to fully explain when B/E changed last year and what effect it has on prices, Also add in the SC scoring system for this year.
I don't think a lot truly understand this and it could be helpful to them.
My bloody internet keeps dropping out and my phone is having the same problem so if I don't answer questions or responses you know why.

OldOcker

Exactly right mate, Scoring has changed and now we may have to take a fair dinkum look at the KP Player again which some have undeniably good consistent stats. Tough decisions and a lot of research happening in the fwd line ATM.
Bugger my internet it keeps dropping out and my phone won't connect either.
If I don't reply you know why.

Derek

i had a quick look at the SC scoring system, didn't realize that they had added "Mark on a lead – 5pts" in 2016, instead of the regular 2pts for an uncontested mark. This is significant, especially as a contested mark is 6pts.

Jib JIb

That is a revelation. Could totally change my approach to my forward structure.

OldOcker

Spot on mate and the B/E currently used is 5440 but that is not affecting trading time where as R5 the figure changes. That is why i use the figure I do because it gives you a realistic view of price change and expected average for their price. People may debate this but the figure when you start trading is what i was working on.
This is why ALL guns drop in price if they do not perform above last years average.

Burnmen

Good option, one of the better forward picks this year for sure. Would take him over Caddy personally.

Jimmy P

Would love some feedback on my team, pretty confident on my structure although it is risky.

DEF: Laird, Lloyd, Hibberd, Keefe, Scharenberg, Otten (Ryan, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Hannebery, Treloar, Martin, Bont, Fyfe, Heppell, Beams (Myers, Graham, Bolton)
RUCK: Grundy, Ryder (Strndica)
FWD: Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, Pickett, Rioli, Long (Eddy, Smith)

Thanks in advance!

Kevdog

Solid team. However I reckon the defense and forward line are a bit weak, so I would be downgrading some of your mids like Martin, heppell and beams and using the extra cash to upgrade hibberd into a premo defender and perhaps adding a premo in your forward line as well.

Derek

Not sure if Martin, Bont and Heppell are top 8

JessCoach

Hey there,

I dont like all the risks and midpricers you've got here, as theres a few too many 'maybe' picks. Beams as M8 is too deep in the mids, which hurts your other lines and doesnt provide oppurtunity to give your mid rookies some field time. I suggest taking some cash from the midfield, and moving towards upgrading the midpricers in ruck, def, and fwds. Get more rookies in the team because nobody ultimately wins without a more guns and rookies approach. Good luck Jimmy ☺

Burnmen

Don't like Lloyd,Hibberd, Keefe, Otten, Fyfe, Beams (unless 100% fit), Ryder and Heeney. All maybes and most of them with little reward. All will likely end up in a trade wasted. Poor supercoach basics 😉

Tjd

Hi all few quick questions.

– Is T.Adams, S.Pendlebury & A.Treloar too much pie in one team? Guessing responses will be depends on if you have other players from the same bye round? Any other things that people think would come into speculation please let me know.

– Do people think it is key that we try and pick who we think will be 2017s next SuperCoach beast or is it still a good chance that one can be highly successful without selecting a 'predicted 2017 scoach beast' in your starting lineup.

– Current D3 is Jasper Pittard – thoughts on him?

– Other good $450-$520k defence options?

Cheers lads

Declan

TJD you can still be successful without going out and trying to predict the next super coach beast, Other fairly solid defence options is TMac, Hodge, possibly Jake Lloyd, however I would spend an extra 25k on Pittard and go with Laird.

Derek

I'm slightly worried about having Pendlebury and Trelor in same team, until I see Pies are top 8 team

Jib JIb

Agreed. Also Pieman (I think) has also said a few times that Pendles might be playing forward a lot more this season, obviously not ideal.

Derek

Yes, and Pendlebury can do that where the other boys can't

Burnmen

lol they both scored great last season…..top 8 doesn't mean jack.

I remember they said pendlebury would play a different role last year too……..he still scored really well even carrying rib injuries right?

There's nothing wrong with having both of them in your team just like having multiple sydney blokes wasn't a problem last year…..it's the myth that keeps on mystifying.

Jib JIb

I don't think it's necessary to start with one in your side although if one emerges early in the season you want to get them in ASAP. Last years winner did this with Zerrett, bought him in with a corrective in rd2, about 10-12 weeks before the rest of the comp got on board in a big way.

Derek

Mills is the best mid price option in defence

Derek

Keep an eye on Atley (Norf $353k)

Burnmen

420K? Barely mid price. That's a sure waste of a trade there or an average D6.

fatboyfat7

I don't mind the Pittard selection personally. He's not in many teams, perhaps due to his limited ceiling. If you can cover him him for the early bye then he's handy to have come R11-R13. Relatively consistent scorer albeit not prolific and IIRC, has slightly increased his output 2 consecutive years. I'm guessing maintain 90-95 point avg, nothing wrong with that…

Burnmen

Pittard has proved himself to be reliable.

Urbanlegend

Thought's on McCarthy from Freo???

Redgumwon

Be a slow burn I think. I like other fwd/mid around the same price

Big G

I have never started with Buddy, but he reliably averages over 90 each year and can go big. Could be a nice forward POD?

Zee888

Thoughts on Coniglio?

OldOcker

I like the boy.

Burnmen

Solid choice

hedski

I wonder if Harry Taylor could be an option in defence now that he's likely to play forward this year, a few sausage rolls per game could boost his average back up a bit.
Too hot and cold?
Any thoughts?

I N Pieman

Not sold on the 5 rookie strategy in the Fwd line. I think the better scoring ones will come from other lines

Derek

Agree

I'll go pretty deep in forward line.

3 guns. Ryder F4, Knight F5 & Turner F6.

There are a few cheapie rookies but I'd be worried if they need to be on field

OldOcker

Five rookie strategy in the fwd line could be a tragic mistake, Too many things can go wrong.
Do you have cover for Rucks or do you think your Ruck bench will be playing? (Even if you think you have set and forget)
Relying on 3 on field rookies is very dangerous.

Burnmen

True, but will have to wait for NAB and round one teams to make a decision on structure I believe. Till then play around and get your choices sorted.

Leeds17

It is the only line that I'm really willing to slot in a stepping stone player like a Hrovat.

Glenn

my current team (changes 5 times a day)

Backs: docherty, Adams, laird, keefe, sharenburg, Hampton (hibberd, Ryan)

Mids: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Fyfe, rockcliff, Hepple, Murphy, pepper-Powell, Myers (pickett, McGrath, freeman)

Rucks: Gawn, Martin (stranadica)

Forwards: dahlhouse, Heeney, Ryder, mcluggage, turner, Bowes (eddy, Bolton)

33k left over.
Obviously my first 2 upgrades will be in defence and up forward.
Thoughts please? Cheers

Burnmen

Not bad but that forwardline is risky, and that midfield injury prone. Rockliff and Fyfe?

I'd be tempted to drop Martin or Gawn too and run Giles/Witts if they are named no.1 rucks.

This could open up funds for upgrades to some risky picks.

OldOcker

Todd Goldstein set to miss Kangaroos' first 2 pre-season games with an ankle injury.
Source is SuperFooty on Twitter via LEK.

Bugger that Cognitive Bias ain't working out for me this year already.
Do we need to worry about Goldy after playing with obvious injury last year?

Derek

this is why i'm really really keen to start with Sandi. I'm not sure who will be the second best ruck this year. I was hoping i'd get 6-7 weeks out of Sandi for a nice cash rise and also give me time to see who will be R2

hedski

I think Sandiballs is a bit banged up ATM as well Derek

Kevan

Watched a training session recently. Sandi looking good, very good. Hoping, like Derek, he can last 6>8 weeks, will be a good cash cow. Not going in with cover.

SCaddict

I've pretty much scratched him off my short list of starting ruck options OO.

OldOcker

I never had him on my starting list this year.
I am going deep in the mids Rucks (Wait for it) Martin & Grundy ATM. Tom Boyd who should improve as fwd ruck cover. F4 ATM
I am also worried about Gawn and One of my choices will be easily upgraded to him if necessary.
We would all love Sandi to be right and play but even though a bargain price could be too risky.
Must consider Tom Hickey as well for a stepping stone to Gawn if he remains injury free.

SCaddict

The alarm bells were already ringing even before this latest setback. If I'm paying uber premo dollars that guy needs to be fit as a fiddle and wrestling gorillas in the preseason. As much as I would love to start say Parker for example his interrupted preseason means it just safer to go JPK or Hannners.

For the bargain bin brigade like Sandi, Beams and Bennell I'm prepared to give them a little more leeway as the upside can be so huge and often worth the added risk. But not Goldmember just shy of $600K!

hedski

I think a Gawn + Stef/Grundy is starting to firm as best bet unless you wanna go a risky R2 (Nankervis/Witts etc).

SRivo

Gawn & Grundy at this stage. Grundy has a good midfield to help his stats this season. Goldy is very durable though, and more likely to get up for Round 1than Sandi. Not an easy decision though set and forget rucks appear to be the safest option.

John James

Going with a set and forget Ruck of Gawn and Grundy,just like I had last year,never been sold on Goldy.

SRivo

Jock, the magazine is pure gold. Perfect for throne & bedtime wisdoms. Thanks to your glorious team for this piece of genius.

Re forwards, I'm going with a 2,2,4 in the Fwd line. Roo and Dahl to start. As for rucks, Gawn/Grundy/Stnadica with Ryder at F3.

Damien

My forward line is currently 2-2-4

Dahl, Macrae, Ryder (Rioli)
Hrovat, Pickett, Balic (Smith)

Not entirely sold on Hrovat and Ryder, but their JLT series will hopefully cement their spot. I'm prepared to make a corrective trade early for someone like Roughead if I need to as well.

Daniel

Ryder is a great player but I have a feeling in my gut that Port are going to try and persist with Lobbe and Ryder in the same side, which will kill Ryder's scoring.

Hawthorn wouldn't have made Roughead their skipper without being confident in his ability to get on the park. He plays all over the ground, is way cheaper and can go huge. Plus their is the smashing cancer thing which is awesome : )

Kevan

After much thought, going Sandi with no forward cover. Cyril for Ryder. I have the same gut feel about Port and Lobbe. Gamble I know, but you have to be slightly different don't you?

sandni836

I want to know the thoughts from the community!

DEFS: Laird, JJ, Burgoyne, McGrath, Scharenberg, Ryan. (Berry, stewart)
MIDS: Dangerfield, Treloar, Martin, Fyfe, Hepple, Beams, swalllow, powell-pepper. (Myers, Freeman, Graham)
RUCKS: Gawn, Grundy (strnadica)
FWDS: Dahlhaus, Heeney, Roughhead, Steele, Bowes, Pickett. (Bolton, Eddy)

Leeds17

Feel like you're mids should be a bit better with only one premo up forward.

Daniel

Given the lack of super strong DPP fwds I'm going with the following side. Would love to get thoughts?

BACKS: Simpson , Montagna, Murphy, Keefe, Scharenberg, Ryan (HIbberd, Stewart)
MIDS: Danger, Pendlebury, Hanneberry, Priddis, Sloane, Fyfe, Powell-Pepper, Myers (Barrett, Pickett, Graham)
RUCKS: Gawn, Martin
FWD: Dahlhaus, McCrae, Roughy, McCarthy, McGluggage, Bowes (Eddy, Smith)

I know I have some of the more expensive rookies up forward, but appear at this stage to have the best job security.

Burnmen

Mccarthy and McCluggage are risky.

Priddis is declining.. Montagna and Murphy long in tooth. That saying they could all be good picks 🙂

Daniel

Yeah McCarthy will most likely turn into a cheaper rookie DPP guy who pops up from JLT games, McGluggage too (although his job security should be pretty decent in a rebuilding side).

I have picked Priddis pretty much every season I have played and he has always been a strong POD. Gets 30 touches falling out of the shower (most of them contested) and tackles like a mad man.

Montagna could turn into Laird or Adams. Picked him as St Kilda have 7 of their first 10 in the dome and he tends to run around that place at will getting touches.

Murphy is a risk but much like Montagna and Simpson defends fresh air most weeks and will kick 15 kicks and 6 marks without much trouble.

Kevan

Round 11 bye might hurt you a bit Daniel.

Daniel

Thanks for the heads up mate. Have not really considered that stuff yet. Just chucked the availability thing on for that round and spot on (both ruckman out!!!). So much time before the season that one or two injuries or emerging rookies changes your whole side : )

One's Bowler

Don't know if I've had too many Rums? Ar&& clown Vickory? 310K and play 2nd ruck. Reminds me of Hale when he started at the Hawks. Cant see his price going down and Clarkson has a way of getting best out of players?

Great fact hunt

I think you should have another rumbo. Vickers is a spud. Always was always will be. Good luck choosing him be a very much a pod

Bill

So far I haven't change my team for a week and I would love the communities thoughts on my team?

BACKS : Docherty, Shaw, Laird, Scharenberg, Hibberd, Ryan (Stewart, Long)
MIDS: Danger, Pendlebury, Sloane, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Beams, Swallaw, Powell-Pepper (Myers,Picket, Graham)
RUCKS: Gawn, Grundy (Strnadica)
FWDS: Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, McCluggage, Bowes, Bolton (Rioli, Eddy)

Got $38 leftover

Daniel

Like the side Bill. Great structure on all lines. I like Marc Murphy over Beams in the mid price midfield slot.

Sloane is very underrated and much like the Bont doesn't need 30 touches to score well.

Bill

Thanks for the Advice

tim

thoughts on my team would be great fellas

def: shaw, adams, laird, scharenberg, ryan, stewart (berry, long)

mid: danger, jpk, treloar, gray, fyfe, mcgrath, spp, myers (pickett, freeman, graham)

ruck: gawn, grundy (strnadica)

fwd: dahlhaus, macrae, caddy, roughy, mcCluggage, bowes (bolton, eddy)

cheers all

Bill

Can I get some advice for this years team cheers lads

BACKS : Docherty, Shaw, Laird, Scharenberg, Hibberd, Ryan (Stewart, Long)

MIDS: Danger, Pendlebury, J.P Kennedy ,Sloane, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Powell-Pepper, Myers (Picket, Freeman, Graham)

RUCKS: Gawn, Grundy (Strnadica)

FWDS: Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, McCluggage, Bowes, Bolton (Rioli, Eddy)

I got $9,700

Krups

Def: Shaw, Williams, Hibberd, Marchbank, Newman, Ryan ( Vickers-willis & Stewart

Mid: Dangerfield, Ablett, Kennedy, Hannebery, Treloar, Fyfe, Powell-pepper, Pickett ( Myers, Bolton, Ronke)

Rucks: Gawn & Hickey ( Strnadica)

Fwd: Dalhalus, Macrae, Lynch, Hoskin-Elliot, Balic, Eddy ( Smith, Allison

Bill

Pendulbery or Treloar

Luke

Treloar

Thom

Really struggling with this myself. If Pendlebury was averaging 124 like he used to it would be easier but a few years of 118 makes it a borderline call for treloarto pass him this year.

Jack

Should I keep beams?

Steve1

Hi Guys, I made a league for anyone who wants to join, I had my best year and ranked 828 overall last year, not sure if i can beat that but i will try. Anyways league code is 832422 all welcome.

The BONT

Who do i go with
Bontempelli or Sloane

sam

new to supercoach take it easy boys only trying defence shaw laird McDonald hibberd newman ryan mids danger pendles jpk hannabury fyfe Kelly swallow myers rucks gawn /sandy forwards dahl mccrae mccluggage knight turner bowes thanks