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SUPERCOACH 2017 BARGAIN HUNT

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Know your discounts, know their history.

by GAVEDAY

Greetings community, if you’re like me, you love a good garage sale. But sometimes, as my wife points out, you’re just filling your garage with more and more junk. It can be hard to tell if that BBQ works. Where’s the rust? What’s that smell? And do I even bloody need the thing?

You need to know if the price is a rip and what faults to look for before you buy. And this logic is no less relevant in the land of SuperCoach. Research is king, that and not being dazzled by seemingly cost effective acquisitions. And that BBQ? I spent more on repairs than a brand new Webber. Lesson learnt.

Before you pick up any crap at this garage sale, make sure you get a dose of reality by reading Patch’s article.. yep, midpriced players can SUCK.

So here I’ve listed most of the discounted players for 2017, including their previous price and their 2017 price. In some cases I’ve included their previous season high price to highlight potential savings. I’ve also given you a brief write up as to why they were out and what I think is the applicable logic to apply on the selection table. 

Enjoy!

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Jackson Thurlow (def) was 379K, now 267k. He screwed his ACL (right knee) in nab 2016 – looks a starter but awkwardly priced with a dubious ceiling. CONSIDER

Jaimie Elliott (fwd) was 413k (season high 451k in 2015),now 291k. Missed the entire 2016 season with a back injury. Will play if fit. CONSIDER (YES for me!)

Patrick Ryder (fwd/ruck) was 447k (season high 543k), now 418k. Suspended for 2016 – Number one ruck for the power. Solid option at his price. YES

Harley Bennell (mid/fwd) was 548,600, now 387k. Calf injury ruled him out for the season. If his calfs hold up he’s a bargain. Proceed with caution. YES.

Jarryd Roughhead (fwd) was 520k, now 367k. Out with cancer (blimey!) and beat it to death. Onya Roughie. Locked in cause it’s a great story, but he’s also a bloody decent player. YES

Sam Reid (fwd) was 390k, now 275k. Calf and Achilles issues, missed 2016. Mid price madness, decent player, not SC relevant. Averaged 72 in his last full season. PASS

Aaron Sandilands (ruck) was 433k (season high 581K), now 308k. Got flattened by Nic Nat, puncturing a lung. Only played 5 times in 2016. Massive discount for this aging behemoth. Will divide the community. THE CHOICE IS YOURS! YES for me.

Jarrod Witts (ruck) was 393k, now 217k. Never really made an impact at the pies, traded to GC. Uncertain TOG in 2017, whispers around he will get the R1 spot. Can’t lock him in on a whisper though. WATCHLIST.

Nat Fyfe (mid) was 624k (670k high), now 573k. Basically broke his leg and only played 5 in 2016. Super elite on the cheap? Yep. YES

Dyson Heppell (mid) was 499k (season high 571k), now 513k. Suspended for the year. Definitely should consider at this price. YES for me.

Jobe Watson (mid) was 439k (season high 576k), now 453k. Suspended for the year. Question marks a plenty over Jobe, I’m backing him to have impact, but maybe not for SuperCoach. PASS

Michael Hurley (def) was 485k, now 464k. Another banned Bomber. Rebound king last time around the traps, potential to peak over 550k. I’m in. CONSIDER

Michael Bellchambers (ruck) was 294k (season high 333k), now 305k. *altogether now – “another banned bomber”. Strange price on this lad, could get R1 at windy hill (or whatever they call it now) but beware – he wanted to quit football and I heard a whisper he’s carrying an injury. PASS

Dayne Beams (mid) was 612k, now 432k. Only played 2 in 2016, out with basically a completely shattered body. BUT super elite output available for 432k. Get in my team! YES.

Mark Murphy (mid) was 421k (season high 556k), now 432k. Played 10 in 2016 then screwed his ankle. Looks worth the punt to me. YES

Kristian Jaksch (fwd/def) was 281K, now 206k. Played 1 in 2016. Ex-giant who plays a lot in the magoos. Wait to see if named. WATCHLIST

JOM (mid) 525k (2015 starting price), now 318k. Has no knees. Last sighted on the titanic. Proceed with caution. Hawks debut in rd3-4 is the word on the street. Watchlist

David Swallow (mid) was 554k (2015 Starting price), now 280k. He’s missed eons, lord knows why. Too cheap to pass up for a bloke with his ceiling. YES

Josh Thomas (mid/fwd) was 385k, now 193k. Ate a cow and got suspended for 2 years. Rookie priced DPP should be watched closely. WATCHLIST

Lachlan Keefe (def) was 330k, now 165k. Helped Josh Thomas eat that cow. Rookie priced key position back. Won’t set the world on fire, unless by accident. But there’s still money to made here. YES.

Matt Sharenberg (def) was 271k, now 164k. Knee and ankles have stopped this kid. Missed all of 2016. Huge talent, locked in for me if fit. YES.

Curtly Hampton (def) was 264K, now 160k. Missed last year and only played 5 in the season previous. Rookie bench option – if he can get fit, and stay fit and break into the Crows line up. Just a few conditions then! WATCHLIST.

David Myers (mid) Was 460k, now 133k. Stuffed his shoulder in 2015 then suspended for the season of 2016. Massive discount. Most likely on everyone’s bench. YES

Angus Monfries (mid) was 342K, now 325k. Suspended for the season. Nope. PASS

Billy Longer (ruck) was 368K, now 260k. Behind Hickey in the pecking order. Nope. PASS

James Stewart (fwd) was 280K, now 169k. Couldn’t crack into the GWS forward line, played 1 in 2016. Like many, if named, will attract attention. WATCHLIST

Hugh Goddard (def) was 308k, now 186K. Played once in 2016 and ruptured his achilles. Good kid by all reports. Might be worth a look if he can crack into the Seaford backline.WATCHLIST

Jake Carlisle (def/fwd) was 381k, now 337k. *Say the line* yet another banned bomber. Unseen in the saints colours, big doubts over his SuperCoach relevance, despite DPP. But he is 25 and at a new club. WATCHLIST

Michael “Dr.” Hibberb (def) was 419k (season high 491k), now 402k. Last banned bomber I promise! Same write up as Carlisle, but slightly older and averaged 82 in his last season. WATCHLIST

Matt White (mid/fwd) was 328K, now 198k. Tore his pectoral in round 1. OUCH. Out for the season. Very much on my radar as a bench option. CONSIDER

Riley Knight (mid) was 290K, now 201k. Played once in 2016. Persistent ankle problems. Barron reckons he’s a big chance for senior footy in 2017. Smokey for RD1. WATCHLIST

Tom Downie (ruck/fwd) was 326K, now 217k. Played once in 2016, behind Mummy and Lobb for Ruck duties. PASS

Micheal Talia (def) was 390k, now 213k. Common theme here…. Played once in 2016. Injured himself, then club suspended for possession of illicit drugs. If he’s off the horse but in with horse he’s a chance. WATCHLIST.

Nathan Vardy (ruck) was 293k, now 265k. Played once for cats in 2016 then traded to WCE. No Nic Nat opens the door, but Lycett and Giles are also in line. I smell rotation. PASS

Cam McCarthy (fwd) was 288k, now 200k. Homesickness – out for the season. Looks primed to take the full forward spot at freo, although he has the potential to go hot and cold. Still good for the coin. YES

Tim Broomhead (fwd) was 329K, now 185k. Played 2 uninspiring games in 2016. Seems VFL bound. PASS

Will Hoskin Elliott (fwd) was 220k, now 200k. Traded by GWS to the pies, you’d have to think he’s a big first team chance. WATCHLIST

Cam Ellis Yolmen (mid/fwd) was 401k, now 304k. Appeared twice late in the crows campaign, if Thompson moves out of the mid CEY could be one to move in. Good average when not sub affected (82) but at a super awkward price. WATCHLIST.

Hope this helps someone win 50k, if so, spot me a pineapple?

GAVEDAY

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TRIGGER HAPPY

Classic Gave.
To stick with the castle theme "you could sell that"
Is there any returning bomber you missed? 🙂
if you go with all your yes selections there is a team of mid price madness right there which could very well go alright.
I'm gonna roll out the old bbq which has been around for a few years but is ultra reliable and won't let you down. No need for some cheap knobs or grill she has proven to get the job done.
May grab just a couple of discounted accessories to finish off the job.

Gaveday

Cheers, there's a few I missed – but it felt like I was writing war and peace. So I tried to hit the most arousing choices. With a few left fielders. My ratings are advisory – I don't think I'd take all my yes men based on overall team structure – for example murphy may get the chop if he spends more time up forward and Heppell I might not go with after reading about the soft tissue risks for the returning bombers.

But pretty sure I'm rolling with the rest of the YES men.

SupercoachNerd

Nice job gaveday mid pricers are always very tempting

Northernsoul74

The potential soft tissue issues for the returning bombers means I won't be picking any of them. It's a long time to be out of the game.

Moustachio

Injury risk is much, much less than a normal player who missed a season due to injury. Any professional will have spent 2016 at the very least maintaining fitness, and the champion players will have improved it.

Kyle

If you could go roughy or elliot who would you chose?

SupercoachNerd

Roughy for me last 5 seasons he has played he has averaged aleast 95

Gaveday

Take Elliot- he'll earn more coin.

Moustachio

Roughy by the length of the MCG. Elliott is only for cash, Roughy may be a keeper.

@t_woof

No brainer Kyle, Roughead.

Bobby Yilmar

roughy as elliot is injured for first round and youd get more coin

wombatsfc

Hilarious Gaveday you slotted 14 of those blokes into your team?.
For a minute I thought that you were serious but I realised that it was an Australia Day Joke when I saw Hurley's name.
Chunks @464k is an absolute ripoff! Has an 8-year career high ave of 95 he only averages 16.5 games p/y (except whilst on James' juice he played 19 and 20) and he makes a tennis ball appear sharp.

Gaveday

Yes, I do have 14 of them in my team. JOM likely not to start but I'll wait for rd1 teams to be named.

The Coach

I reckon if we look at this list in 3 months time some of us are gonna be feeling a lot of pain….

Also, what does the community think of Bob Murphy? Not mentioned, was tearing it up before he got injured. Any love?

SupercoachNerd

At 392k I like him but I'm not starting him at the moment but I will keep him in the back of my mind

Northernsoul74

Love Bob but at his age it's a hell of an effort to return from an injury like that. He took a while to decide to go round again. That coupled with the fact the Dogs really need to get games into the likes of Bailey Williams, Dale, Rourke Snith, Webb, Lynch plus others, otherwise they'll leave, makes me nervous about Bob and Matt Boyd playing every game. People down realise the depth the Dogs have. Williams and Webb are really knocking the door down for games.

Gaveday

Yeah I missed him mate – couldn't squeeze them all in without writing a monsterpiece. He's on the radar for sure. Probably a no for me.

Damien

Good list to keep in mind, but I can't bring myself too many of these guys. My team currently has Ryder and Fyfe in it, and that's about it from this list.

Gaveday

I'd highly recommend you take Dayne Beams. HIGHLY. Ask Jock.

Northernsoul74

Even though Beams has said himself his knee will never be right and will have to manage it for the rest of his career?

Damien

Beams has said himself that his knee is forever stuffed and will have to be managed

Gaveday

He could sit on a chair and still score 100+.

Derek

He will miss games.

Gaveday

Glass is half full vs glass half empty – if he plays most of the season he'll crack 600k+ he's history says he will and doesn't need to run hard to rack up points.

Read the arictle in the community series and read Jock's 1st comment.

Honestly – believe in beams!

Mac

Why pick a bloke who your going to trade later in the year? He's not going to be a top 10 mid.

Moustachio

True, if fit he is top 5 =p

Gaveday

look I can't tell it's a guarantee – but honestly – check his history – roughly speaking he goes higher than 125 every 3rd game.

Derek

Beams will be last years Libba. Will do pretty good until the next injury. Miss a few, play a few.

graham

is it too risky to start with two mid prices in the forward line? Bennel and either roughy, elliot or Yolmen

Gaveday

Most would say yes. But Bennell is a premo DPP – so don't think of him as a mid pricer. Roughy is great value. I'm taking Elliot at 290k and betting he'll hit 450k. Yolmen is watch listed but I'm keen.

Leeds17

Every chance to be this seasons version of 2016 Daniel Wells, also every chance to be this seasons version of 2014 Daniel Wells.

Jib Jib

Depends how much injury risk you've got in other lines and how much you're prepared to roll the dice on players returning from injury.

Personally I've currently got Fyfe, Scharenberg and Sandilands so I wouldn't be prepared to roll the dice on 1 or 2 more injury risk players in my forward line. However, if by seasons start I've dropped 1 or all of those players and someone like Bennell is picked to play then I'd seriously consider him.

Jib Jib

Also worth considering is what sort of injury are they coming back from? Multiple soft tissue injuries (like Bennell) are a big red flag for me. Whereas Fyfe and his broken leg is less of a concern, as is Sandi coming back from fractured ribs – as they are more freak/1 off types of injuries.

Keenbutclueless

Fyfe, Sandi and Ryder for me.
Fyfe is a proven premium. The fact that he is a viable VC and C choice means those double points are worth the risk.
Sandi is a gamble. But if he averages 90, it's worth it. With the change in rules, I think he will benefit and average 100+ If Goldy ends up being R2, then Sandi's R13 bye is perfect. I am running 6 deep in the mids, so a corrective is not so hard. It could be as simple as Swallow in for Sandi.
Ryder is a good chance to finish top 10 forwards this year. We are all hoping he takes over the number 1 ruck. Brendan Lade talked during the week about his belief that the Lobbe Ryder combination can work. Shudder. He may also be required forward. So, if he shares the ruck, or eases into the number 1 role, and/or spends time forward, is he still worth picking? I have still given him a yes. Buys me time if the Sandi call goes wrong. He is Super handy through the bye rounds. He's still a marginal yes for me.
Beams is out of my team. When he said he will have to manage his knees, I don't believe he can get back to premium status. To be a stepping stone, he'd have to get to 575k to be worthwhile. I can't see him doing that.
Swallow is one I would like, but I have gone Sandi instead.

Kev

I've got the same three, Keen. My thinking is there can be no Sandi without Ryder. If Ryder is sharing R1 at Port with Lobbe then Sandi has to go

Northernsoul74

What's the fear with Sandi? Last season was a punctured lung which is just very unlucky/accidental. Goldy has knee issues so you could argue he's more risky for example.

Derek

Agree. I can't find anything wrong with Sandi and if fit will play every game

Gaveday

Sandi's problem is he's 34 and tall. Not to many of that ilk play out the season. Mind you I'm in. r2 for him.
Don't expect him to play the full season though.

Danners

Nice Gaveday! A lot of interesting names in there, trying to avoid the temptation as midpricers screwed us over last year

The Bont

Well here we are , every year we say we're not going to touch them but the next year we have all forgotten the pain they caused . Straight guns and rookies for mine . The only two in that list that I would consider would be beams ( who has tendonitis issues that won't get better with age ) and smurf , who could be the pick of the lot but all carry danger . Good article gave but I'm steering well clear of most if not all . Throw a low price onnone them and everyone forgets why the low price is there .

Derek

What is murphys injury

jessecanavan

Currently have Fyfe, Smurf, Swallow, Sandiman, Ryder and Roughy. Swallow and Sandi the only risks for me. Forward line currently St. Nick, Macrae, Caddy, Ryder, Roughy and rookie. How do i fit Bennell in if fit. Does Caddy go. Think him and Bennell will score simular, and Bennell is 100k cheaper. Would give me 100k to strenghen other lines, although Smurf at m5 and Z.Williams at d4 seems pretty strong.

Gaveday

That's why I don't have caddy. Risk v reward. Bennell looks all gain to me.

jessecanavan

Freo will go much better this year. If fit, which ive heard he is, Bennell is a steal at that price. You have to take a few calculated risks in this game.

Gaveday

And Bennell isn't even a gamble at the price and DPP.

Moustachio

He injured his "good" leg in the pre season. If named R1 I will start him, but not holding my breath.

ethan

Community thoughts on Hamish Harlett as a d3. Averaged 92, 91, 90, 97, 101, 77 in the last 6 seasons and is listed at just 423k

Moustachio

The 101 looks like an outlier, if he returns to 92 av he's not a keeper, and won't make enough cash to be worth the trade. If you think he goes 95-100+ on the other hand he's a lock.

Krups

Caddy or macrae?

Gaveday

I've gone maccrae as the dogs want to him win more CP this year.

Moustachio

Macrae a sure thing. Don't have room for Caddy with all the other gambles up fwd :S

Danners

Tough one, probably save the bills and go Caddy looks promising

Tommo09

Thoughts Community

DEF: Docherty, Shaw, Rance, McGrath, Scharengberg, Stewart (Ryan, Long)
MID: Danger, Gaz, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, Florent, Myers (SPP, Freeman, Graham)
RUC: Gawn, Sandi (Strndica)
FWD: Dahl, Lynch, Heeney, Bennell, McGluggage, Bowes (Pickett, Eddy)

Thinking about Rough, Watson, Elliot, Ryder
Thanks

Kev

Chuck that said n the team reveal page, Tommo.

Those you mentioned:
Should get a look at him/his fitness preseason matches
"Primed for forward role" apparently
Won't score enough to be worthwhile
Needs R1 role for mine. I've been burnt before so I'm wary of him

Tommo09

Ok thanks Kev

jessecanavan

Considering a radical, left field strategy. Team structure. Super strong up front, as thats were the only reliable mid pricers are.Almost set and forget fwds. Will trade aggressively early on to upgrade DEF rooks to fallen premo defs ASAP as always pick a couple off cheaply.
DEF
H.Shaw
T.Adams
R.Laird
M.Scharenberg
C.Hampton
L.Ryan (Stewart, Vickers-Willis)
MIDS
P.Dangerfield
M.Bontempelli
N.Fyfe
D.Shiel
M.Murphy
D.Swallow
S.Pepper pig
D.Myers (C.Brown, Freeman, Bolton)
RUCKS
B.Grundy
A.Sandilands (Strndica)
FWDS
N.Riewoldt
J.McCrae
J.Caddy
P.Ryder
H.Bennell
J.Roughead

Thoughts from the community would be greatly appreciated. This is only a consideration at this point. DEF midpricers killed me last year, pure guns n rooks. Trade up ASAP to Montagna eg who can quickly be picked up for 450-500 early on. Will trade aggressively to do so. Risk v reward.
(Eddy, W.Rioli)

Moustachio

Take Dahl over Roo. I'm assuming there will be 1 onfield worthy cow in fwd, eg Black, so maybe you could take 5 fwd premos instead of 6 (Bennell unlikely to start R1 anyway)

jessecanavan

Reconsidering, think 6 is a bit top heavy, and will miss a cash cow.

Stirlsy

Top job Gav, lots of interesting reading, it's going to be an interesting season.

ethan

Thoughts?
Def: Laird, Adams, Hartlett, Mcgrath, Scharnberg, Stewart (Ryan, Berry)

Mid: Danger, JPK, Sidebottom, Fyfe, Heppell, Beams, Swallow, Myers (Bolton, Graham, SPP)

Ruck: Gawn, Ryder (Witts)

Forward: Dalhouse, Macrae, Caddy, Hoskin- Elliot, Mcluggage, Pickett (Smith, Eddy)

SupercoachNerd

Sidebottom I like as a smokey

Gaveday

I love the Steele but for me I'm going Treloar At this stage.

Derek

Is Adams going to play in the guts this year? I didn't notice him much last year

derek

wasting money with Witts at R3

Gaveday

Witts is money for jam if he nails r1. Rookie priced
Defo watchlist at least.

Thomas

Nice midfield

Leeds17

Usually I'd be dead against Witts at R3 and I still am in your team with Ryder at R2 but if it was Sandilands at R2 that could be a different story for me.

Jib Jib

If Witts gets a starting spot at GCS a lot of forward structures (mine included) will change.

Derek

ive seen plenty of people say that they can get premiums at a cheaper price later on. It seems to me that the defence premiums are more overpriced than the forward premiums. I've also seen plenty of talk that the defence premiums are alot clearer than the forwards and people will wait to see who the forward premiums will be this year.

so i've been researching all of these things and come up with some Team Changing stats.

I looked at the top 8 defenders, imo – Docherty, Simpson, Shaw, Montague, Rance, Adams, Laird, Burgoyne and the top forwards – Rieworldt. Kennedy, Dahlhaus, Delidio, Buddy, Macrea, Gundton, Lynch. You might argue about those 16, but i'd be happy with them in my team.

i compared their 2016 starting price to their highest and lowest prices – prior to round 14 (no point in getting then after round 14) and found the following:

1) 15 out of the 16 players did fall in price from their 2016 starting price, therefore able to be be bought cheaper, some then went back up. Docherty only exception, he never fell below his starting price.
2) If you were able to pick up each player at their lowest price of the year (prior to R14), you would have been able to buy the 8 defenders for $364k cheaper than their starting price, an 8.6% discount. For the Forwards this was $516k cheaper than their starting price or 12.4%.
3) for 2 out of 8 defenders, their starting price was their season highest price, where for 4 out of 8 forwards their staring price was their highest price for the year.
4) amazingly the total 2016 starting price of these 8 defenders and these forwards only differed by 27k (defenders slightly more expensive), but their season ending price showed the defenders were $328k more than the forwards.
5) there was only 2 forwards who reached their season high price after they had reached their season low, where this occurred with 4 out of 8 defenders.
6) however, the same defenders 2017 starting prices are 194k more expensive than their 2016 starting price, where the forwards 2017 starting prices are 11k less than their 2016 starting prices.
7) 4 out of 8 defenders 2017 starting prices are higher than their highest 2016 value reached (Docherty, Simpson, Adams & Laird), where 0 out of 8 forwards have there starting price higher than their highest 2016 price.

So what does all that mean.

The rumor is true, nearly all premium defenders and forwards will fall in price from their starting prices. Forwards however may fall further and in 50 % of cases the starting price will be the most expensive they will be for the season. There didn't seem to be much of a Buffalo Bounce in 2016.

It is true though that the defenders are more expensive this year for the same players, but only about 4%.

The forwards are a mixed and messy bunch, but they do represent good value this year compared to the defenders.

Gaveday

Derek you legend! Great points all round.

SCaddict

The way the fantasy salary cap system work means that nearly all premos across all positions will be cheaper later in the season so this is not exactly a revelation. The only players who might be more expensive as the year unfolds are obviously rookies, significantly discounted premos coming back from injury like a Wells and the few select midpricers who go on to have a breakout season like Doch as you mentioned. But the vast majority of premos will be available cheaper than their starting price at some point in the season.

In the past I have been extremely reluctant to pay more than a smidge over $500K for a premo defender. Last season I didn't start with Shaw and was somewhat able to get away with it as he had a slightly sluggish start and so I got him for about $50K cheaper around Rd6 as my first upgrade.But there was an element of luck there and was fortunate he didn't drop that 203 monster until Rd9.

However this season I'll probably start with at least 3 (and maybe 4!) 500K plus defenders rather than buggerise around with too many value options like Hodge, Hartlett, Lloyd, Murphy, McDonald, KK, Hibberd etc – who I'm just not sure I can fully trust to have a legit shot in finishing both as a top 8 defender and also play at least 20 games.

jessecanavan

My defense killed me last year. Had the likes of Brodie Smith and kk. strict guns n rooks in defense this year. Shaw, Adams, Laird and Z.Williams and 4 rookies. Waiting for slight price fluctuations is not worth the accumulative points you miss on a weekly basis.

Derek

Yep. Pay the price to get the points

Derek

Love to hear your thoughts SC.
I was heading off on the wrong path, only going light in defence, 2 premiums and rookies and starting 6 premiums in mids and 4 in forward line.
What my research told me was that was a bad idea and I'm currently unpacking my team.
But that is what this time of year is all about

AMAC

It's good research though Derek. It reinforces what we intrinsically know. That you should pay the price for premium output from the start. Focus on fallen premos throughout the seaon and something else which can be called mid price madness but I call unlocking value. Most of my preseason is spent on identifying break out candidates and rookies who are best 22.

Kev

Breakout contenders are just that, contenders. It's much easier to be a bandwagon jumper than trying to guess what the coaches instructions to a player and his role is – especially if his name is Ross Lyon

AMAC

I agree Kev, breakout contenders are just contenders. It is however, much more fulfilling and definitely more rewarding to get them right at the start of the season, than to ride the wagon with the band. Not to mention the saving of trades. You only need one or two like Zach Merrett or Docherty last year to be well in front of the pack.

Jib Jib

Yeah but for every Docherty there is a Tom Sheridan, ever Zac Merrett a Josh Kelly. I've had such appalling luck picking breakout players I'm not going to bother this years. Guns and rookies all the way.

Kev

Depends how you play the game, AMAC. If you go too balls out from the start your year can be over pretty quickly.

Unless you get completely boned by injury, saving trades isn't as big of a deal as it used to be.

Derek

I agree, will trade more aggressively this year than other years

AMAC

I play to win Kev.
Identifying the top premos is relatively benign. Selecting 4 of Adam Treloar, Tom Rockliff, Matt Priddis, Dayne Zorko, Rory Sloane, Dustin Martin, Robbie Gray, Marcus Bontempelli, Josh P. Kennedy, Dan Hannebery, Lachie Neale, Luke Parker, Joel Selwood, Zach Merrett is not difficult and will not win you anything.
Going balls out is the only way and I respectfully disagree about trades not being a big deal. They are gold. Most teams will need at least 20 to get to full premo. You cannot waste them.

Shane-O

It's TOM Bellchambers… not that he's overly relevant but still

Shane-O

And seriously, did anyone read Patch's article! So many burn men this post is a fire hazard!!

Gaveday

Whoops. Guess the belch is so not on my radar his first name eluded me. And thanks for the feedback….. look this article is more to deter than to attract -but there's some seriously good value in the YESMEN. It's subjective,granted, and I was always going to provoke debate, but I do outline why they are cheap. The auctioneer can't do much more that!

ethan

Playing around with team a bit could we gets your thoughts community

Def: Leigh, Adams, Laird, McGrath, Scharenberg, Ryan (Ed Vickers-Willis, Stewart)

Mid: Danger, Pendlebury, JPK, Coniglio, Fyfe, Heppell, Swallow, Myers (SPP, Bolton, Graham)

Ruck: Gawn, Sandiballs (Darcy Cameron)

Forward: Dalhaus, Macrae, Caddy, Mccluggage, Pickett, Smith (Eddy, Long)

Kevan

Hi Jock and community. Have been looking at returning Bombers, not to the Bombers, but to new clubs. Will Carlisle's return boost the significance of Shane Savage? Penny for your thoughts. My brief glance says yes.

AMAC

Savage is a good average player imo. I think Carlisle will have a small positive impact on Savage but he is still not Supercoach relevant. I have a very strong feeling that a St Kilda player is going to take a large step forward this year. I haven't identified who just yet but my eyes are squarely on Luke Dunstan and Jack Billings.

Ross

*Hint* Blake Acres *Hint* Just trust me

Raging Bulls

Yes Acres is definitely one to watch

AMAC

Good info gents. I had looked at him but he doesn't fit my games profile with only 26. It seems to me the most likely brake our candidates have 40-60 games, 3-4 seasons and are 22 year olds. Even better if they show steady progession and were high draft picks. Jack Billings typifies my thinking. I will watch Acres with much interest in th JLT. thanks

matt

Hey lads, join up to 714759, looking to make a competitive league, hopefully make the top 10 leagues! If you're regularly in the top 500 I would love to have you!

Leeds17

Is their really much point starting anyone priced over 200k unless you're really confident they'll be a keeper?

Gaveday

I understand your pain.To me if you can make a minimum of 150k you'd give the bloke a pass. Like a D+. Really you want +200k and beyond. Elliott for example is priced at 290k and I'm copping flack for calling him a yes. But his peak price in his last full season is 450k. I'm betting he'll get there again.

jessecanavan

on my watchlist. Who am i. I have previously averaged 88 off half back. I have a deadly left foot. I will benefit from the retirement of Malceski. The coach loves me. I am playing for my career. I am a defender priced at 238k. The ultimate risk v reward selection. If im fit, which by all accounts i am, and play pre season cup, i must at least be considered. I am a burn man, but then again, so was Heater.I am Trent McKenzie, and before you laugh, at 238k, i should be on your watchlist. Only needs to play5-8 games to be a brilliant stepping stone. Not a keeper by any means, and plums the size of texas needed to select. Not for me personally, but for those who like a risky smoky that could pay off handsomely.

jessecanavan

Is Callan Ward a good pick. I know will share points, but the Giants will smash all before them this year. Sharing points does'nt seem to hurt Sydney mids too much. I like him. A contested beast, with very low ownership. Thoughts community.

Ross

Can have some big ones but some low ones as well. What's his price?

Rogie

I've had him the last two years and while his average is ok he also goes missing in quaters if he can't get near it. Will have a couple of good games but on game day, when your looking at a match up and your 10 points behind (or in front!) and you've got Ward up against a Treloar or other similar premium, i know where i want to be. Contested ball winner no doubt but not for me.

TRIGGER HAPPY

He was a beast (still is) a couple of years ago when GWS were still developing their kids. Owned the middle.

He still is a beast but over the last two years his scores have started to drop off as the boys arrived.

Problem I see is swans have 3-4 gun mids who share the points.

GWS will 8 plus (doesnt include tarranto) who will all feast on the points but there r only so many to go around so one mid will score big one week and another the next. Ward will be part of that cycle.

Pitch 72

Going with 'guns and rooks' this year, with the exception of Ryder who will be No 1 ruck this season at port and T. Boyd who announced himself in the finals last season and reckon should ave 85+.

Def – Docherty, Shaw, Adams, Burgoyne, Berry, Ryan. (Stewart, Long)
Mid – Dangerfield, J Kennedy, Treloar, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Powell Pepper, Myers, Graham. (Hibberd, Brown, Bolton)
Ruck – Gawn, Sandilands. (Strnadica)
Forwards – Riewoldt, Dahlhaus, Ryder, T. Boyd, Mcluggage, Bowes. (Pickett, Eddy)

No doubt this line up will change in the nest couple of months, especially the rooks, but will be steering clear of the likes of Swallow, O'meara, Beams, reckon they will be much talked about burn men later on this year.

Derek

If Lobbe is named round 1 get rid of Ryder.

Boyd won't go near an 85 average. He might crack 85 in a couple of games but his average will be 65-75 imo

Pitch 72

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Pitch 72
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@t_woof

Does anyone know if "sharked hitouts" will be negative points again in 2017?

They were last year, but never listed on the official scoring table on the SC website.

Kev

No idea. I wish they'd be a bit more transparent with the stats they use. HOA are a huge part of the game now but not available

@t_woof

I wish they were too Kev. Was dirty about the mid season discovery of this rule last year.

Agree with you again there. Would love to have access to historical HOA stats. Would be good to sink the teeth into em'.

Tommo09

Is it risky to have Lynch, Heeney, Bennell and Rough in the Sam fwd line?
I could downgrade Bennell or Rough to a rookie and the other to a premo
Thoughts?

Kev

Lynch (the GC one) is a safe pick one would think. Question marks over the other 3. Bennell right for round 1? Will Heeney get enough mid time to be push his average up? Rough, match fitness?

It's not a bad setup. Hope the JLT gives us some answers

Derek

Roughie is fit enough.

Burnmen

Roughy, lock, Lynch lock. others are potential burnmen. heeney has potential but is over rated.

Wighty

Shoenmakers f6/7/8 ??

PillyBuster

safe option, but no real potential

Wighty

He's only 155.1

@t_woof

Roughead back, and the inclusion of Vickery. Need to see where Schoey fits in. Hopefully know more after the pre season matches.

I'm not sure where he fits in right at this time. Forward line all available, to me would be; Roughead, Vickery, Gunston, Rioli, Breust, Puopolo.

Unless he's tried as a defender again. Still smarting from the retirement of Lake.

Too many questions to make a firm call at the moment. Watch the pre season matches closely.

Derek

He did play the last 3 games of 2016, but I can't see him in best 22.

Even if he does, never averaged over 68 in his best years

UncleSwaggy

whats the communities thoughts on kayne turner? never considered him until i saw the 170k price tag. should play most games for north and id expect a solid 60-70 point average

Keenbutclueless

Certainly on my radar. North played him late in the season, so would appear to be best 22, which at his price tag should be enough.

Kevan

According to Footywire, played rounds 5 (51) and 6 (11).

Keenbutclueless

That's what happens when you do things from memory and don't research properly. You make a goose of yourself. Thanks for setting me straight Kevan. Will still keep him under watch, but you have cooled my enthusiasm a tad. Might have been a POD trap you saved me from stepping in. Wish someone had saved me from stepping in that trap last year. Yes, I am looking at you Kyle Langford.

Kev

Forward rookies are looking pretty well stocked at the moment. A 60-70 average is not beyond a 117-123k rookie

UncleSwaggy

all good points guys, probably wont go him myself. hasnt been the best scorer in the past but has shown flashes of being a decent player

Derek

What forward rookies? Who

UncleSwaggy

in terms of cheapies theres rioli, long, eddy, bolton, brown to name a few, thens theres other more expensive ones like galucci venables ainsworth bowes s theres quite a few options

Moustachio

Many of those are very unlikely R1 starters, or are guns but have questionable JS due to competition for spots. I will be happy to have one cheap onfield playable rook up fwd this year

UncleSwaggy

theres a few more also that are popular picks early, but at the end of the day its all speculation at this point and none of us really know untill we've seen a few rounds of preseaon

Leeds17

Someone has to get the free points from the retirees at North, my money is on Wood and Hrovat… And probably Higgins to have a better season

UncleSwaggy

as a north man i love wood, but im not sure id pick any of the three for supercoach this year, id say wood a 2018 option, dont think hrovat will scre enough to justify putting in your team and higgin is well… higgins, will get injured at some point

Liam

Lids or Macrae ?

Brendan

Hey guys need some help with my team.
Not sure to either go
Gawn and Roughead/Bennell
or
Stef Martin and Macrae ??

Please let me know which option is better.
Cheers Brendan.

Derek

Gawn is almost a must have to me.

SCaddict

Assuming Roughie and/or Bennell lace up for Rd 1 I'd lean towards option A right now. I really like Macrae as a forward option and will be trying like buggery to squeeze him into my forward line but he's just short of a "must have" or lock for mine.

Also I was pretty badly burnt starting Stef last season where many other coaches went with big Maxy instead. Really put me at a competitive disadvantage in many of my early league matches and my ladder position suffered accordingly.

So I personally can't go back to the Stef well in 2017 nor can recommend other coaches do either.

PhillyBuster

Stef if he plays a sole ruck will go large with the new rule. Macrae is a a jet. No risk.
So I disagree . Roughy/Bennell carry a risk factor you can bypass Brendon

poloko48

First crack for 2017, welcome back everyone!

DEF: Doc, Adams (MID), Kelly (MID), Keeffe, Scharenberg, Collins (Ryan, Long (FWD))
MID: Danger, Pendles, JPK, Bont, Prestia, DSwallow, Ainsworth (FWD), Myers (Pickett (FWD), Freeman, Witherden (DEF))
RUC: Gawn, Goldy (Strnadica (FWD))
FWD: Macrae (MID), Heeney, Ryder (RUC), McCarthy, White (MID), Thomas (MID) (Simpkin, Gallucci (MID))

A few POD's in there as well as some fallen mid pricers which should help get to premo a bit quicker hopefully.
First draft though so I'm sure this will change a couple of dozen times.
Only $11.8K left is an immediate concern though…

Love some feedback guys & gals!

Gaveday

I'm looking at Prestia myself. Everyone seems likely to go Martin or Caddy. I like Dion. Goes +125 at least a few times in a season. Looking to him for a BIG year with the Tiges.
You could probably trade Goldy for sandi and use the extra 200+ to boost your fwd line. Get Bennell!

Leeds17

Kelly is an interesting one, looking at the Dons' make up he does still look like the main distributor off half back I just feel they'll be looking to replace him over the season.

Jib Jib

He will definitely be rested, I predict 15-17 games tops.

poloko48

Yeah food for thought there, have replaced him with Heater instead.

Natho

Love this community's work been around for a while dont often comment created a league i usually rank around the top couple of thousand feel free to join up 503125

Leeds17

Little help from the community please can you guys throw up some names of SC relevant players who've comeback from season ending injuries pre 2016, Libba and Menzel last season obviously but would like it to be at least 2 seasons since injury, I know Robbie Gray but struggling to think of others. cheers.

Mac

Barlow? Had a broken leg
Linc McCarthy who was a popular rookie last year
Bryce Gibbs did his pectoral
Jobe Watson and his shoulder
Jaegar O'Meara
Mumford
Petracca

Kev

Sandi was cheap in 2014 after buggering his hammy (I think that was his injury)

PhillyBuster

About 1/2 the pies team if you believe what you read….seriously

Danielle

Any love for that mummys boy Cam Mccarthy?…..He is so cheap….think he will be in round 1 team for Freo?

Kev

Massive opportunity at Freo. I have doubts over how much of the ball ge can get. 9 touches and 3.7 marks per game in 2015. Not enough

Gaveday

I have much love for Cam Mac. Priced at 200k if he emulates the pav's last season, which was dire, he'll end up around 380k 420k. Died not have to set the world on fire to get there either. Fyfe and Bennell feeding the ball to hells.

Yes for cam!

Gaveday

That read like garbage. Heat must be getting to me. I meant *does not have to set the world on fire. And *feeding the ball to him helps

Rabbits16

The all knowing wise part of your mind is having an intervention with that part of your mind that is considering cam mcarthy hence the mindless dribble coming out 😉

Gaveday

Wise old zen philosophy says "we won't know till round 6 or 8"

Zen. True story.

SCaddict

He should be on our watch lists. Agree with Pieman that he probably doesn't present as the most attractive cash cow prospect given that he is a KPP, missed a full year of AFL footy and only averaged a very modest 53pts from his 20 games in 2015.

But if some of the cheaper forward options on Jock's rookie cheat sheet dry up and don't get named for Rd1 he could come in to play. Will be interested to see how he performs in the JLT.

Matthew

First crack needs some improvements
DEF: Doc, Adams, Laird, Bob Murph, Mcgrath, scharenberg (Ryan and stewat)
MID: Danger, JPK, Bont, Fyfe, S Mitchell, Swallow, Sam Powell Pepper, D Myers. (Freeman, Graham, Greenwood)
Ruck: Sandi and B Grundy (Strandica)
FWD: Macrae, Caddy, heeney, Roughy, Mccluggage, Bowes. (Eddy,Pickett)
Thoughts are much appreciated!

Kev

Not bad, Matthew. Few too many expensive rooks for my taste. Have a look at other teams to find popular cheaper ones.

Andrew

Can anyone tell how to subscribe to SC Gold, Everything on the website seems to send me to a place to subscribe to the paper, which I don't want.

Krups

Knowledge is power: An automatic SuperCoach Gold trial comes with your registration. Check it out, grow your super power and remember the trial expires at the end of Round 2

Krups

Go through the my account option that is located in the top right of screen and have a play in there

Andrew

cheers, thanks

poloko48

poloko48 team #2:

DEF: Doc, Heater, Adams (MID), Keeffe, Scharenberg, Collins (Ryan, Long (FWD))
MID: Danger, Pendles, JPK, Prestia, DSwallow, Ainsworth (FWD), SPP, Myers (Pickett (FWD), Freeman, Witherden)
RUC: Gawn, Goldy (Strnadica (FWD))
FWD: Buddy, Macrae (MID), Heeney, Ryder (RUC), McCarthy, White (MID) (Thomas (MID), Galluci (MID))

$57.2K left over.

Changes:
OUT Bont IN SPP
OUT Simpkin IN Buddy
OUT Kelly IN Heater

Thoughts?

neil demons delight

mids look weak maybe macrae to rook and get bont back

Willymack1234

Thoughts on Coniglio as a pod?

Jib Jib

One of a bunch of GWS mids who are going to take turns at sharing big scores. I think that's why everyone is avoiding GWS players this year.

Sean

Pretty keen on consiglio for what it's worth

Kev

http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2016/12/30/steven-

Fantastic unit GWS mids. There's no massive standout though, likely to share around points

I was big on him early but cooled a bit. Upgrade target if he's going well cos I love him

SupercoachNerd

I really like him

Danners

A very handy POD, was a former top 3 pick so he has the potential to go bigger

Lazza

4th player in my team after Danger, Gawn, and Docherty.

Sean

Okay first draft would love any feedback first to admit shocking backline but all expected to play and will heavily upgrade asap
Rance Francis dpp Logue keefe vickers Newman Ryan Stewart
Danger jpk Hannebery Neale treolar cripps Fyfe Myers pepper hibberd graham
Gawn sandy srrnadica
Lynch caddy Ryder Bennell knight Rioli eddy

Please tear this to shreds and let me know why this won't work midfield done bar Pendles and will get ample points early for midfielders I count 12 maybe 13 keepers

Kev

You must be sitting on plenty of cash, Sean? Why no faith in the backline mate? Shaw, Doch, Simmo, Joey, ZW, Adams all fairly popular.

Sean

Hi Kev thanks for the feedback I love the early discussion I have faith just that the midfielders average higher than the backs just wanted to sneak early points that's all but it is a risky tactic no doubt just throwing ideas around

neil demons delight

ged ay Sean pure keepers rance danger hanna neale treloar fyfe gawn maybe lynch 9 cripps may miss a couple.Sorry mate but mid pricers like caddy sandy bennell ryder don't think so but my opinion backline weak

Sean

Okay taken on board back to the drawing board thanks for the feedback I think caddy Bennell and Ryder will be top 10 forwards though only see Nic reiwoldt mcrae and Dahl ahead of them also you missed jpk

neil demons delight

sorry mate definetely top 8

Paul

You're missing out on plenty of mid rookies. Go back over the years and see which rookies make the most money….mids. The game is about increasing the value of your team, not banking early points.

gator59

Thoughts on this side guys Much appreciated.. Cheers

Backs Simmo… Rance … Vince… Bob murph … Berry… Newman…( Ryan.. Ridley)

Mids Danger… Pendles… JPK… Trealor… Fyfe… Prestia… Myers… SPP… ( Witherden… Brown… Bolton)

Rucks Gawn… sandilands… ( Strdick)

Fwds Dahlhouse… Ryder… Bennell… Roughie… T. Smith… Eddy….. (Long… Pickett

Kev

Looks good, gator. Solid rooks. Starting to see Prestia in a few more sides now. He could go 110+ injury free.

Not a huge fan of Vince and Bob in your backline.

gator59

Thanks Kev,, It's bloody harder than we think this year with so many solid in defence players to pick from this year compared to others..

Derek

What do you expect from Bob? Keeper? His best years he didn't average 90, so don't expect him to go near that. Won't be a cash cow, too expensive.

gator59

Have swapped to Laird an Scharengerg.. Thanks Derek

SCaddict

I did a similar thing last week replacing Bob with Laird after thinking it through.

Whilst Bob is definitely underpriced it is probably a stretch to expect he could seriously press for top 8 defender honours given his age, previous SC averages and missing a year of footy with a serious injury.

gator59

Hi SC are you doing the same league as last year that we were in!!

SCaddict

If you mean the True Believers league – where all participants had to start with Gaz – probably not as I'm unlikely to start with the bald genius in 2017. Finally fatigued on having to trade the blighter out every season once that shoulder eventually went kaput again.

Might upgrade to him post byes if he can show us he still has that magic and just as importantly that the ole bod looks like it will hold together for the back half of the season.

But I'll create some new leagues closer to Rd1 once we've had our fill of JLT action including a different themed one which you and other community members will be welcome to join. So far I have only joined 3 leagues of the 10 allocation and will announce the codes for the new leagues here some time in March.

gator59

Thanks SC , Will keep a look out for your code.. Cheers mate

Derek

roughie is a bit different as he can be top 12 and maybe a keeper. Underpriced and could score ok. I'm thinking about Roughie but usually don't like KEy position players

gator59

Yeah a pity Roughie has'nt got a DPP….More than likely will have a run in the ruck from time to time

SCaddict

Absolutely Derek. Roughie was a perennial 95-105 avg player up until his illness. He also only just cracked the big '3 O' last week so tooth length is not a major concern in my view.

If he can average near that 95 this season he would very likely finish a top 8 forward considering Lids averaged 95 in 2016 and is currently the 4th ranked forward based on 2016 averages.

At this stage I'm planning to go either Roughie or Bennell for F5 so hopefully at least one of them lace up for Rd1.

Liam

Deep forward line. What is your current structure with them at F5 ?

neil demons delight

tim smith from dees I think Liam.Casey player not without a chance

SCaddict

It's very early days obviously so I'm sure things will change but right now I'm thinking something along the lines of Dahl, Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Bennell or Roughie, rookie, rookie, rookie.

But plenty of premos are still in the frame including JJK, Lynch (GC) and Buddy so we'll see what happens over the next 8 weeks.

How about you Liam? What forward line are you rocking with right now?

Liam

Roo, Dahl, Macrae, Bennell/Roughead then 4 rookies.
I have gone with 'safer' premium options, (not confident in Heeney and Ryder to be top 10).

What is your overall team structure ? Just wondering in where you've taken the cash for your forward line from.

Derek

Ive taken Roo out. Read that he hasn't been joining in with much of the running at training, trying to nurse his left knee through pre-season. Sorry Roo.
I'm seriously considering Cyril.

SCaddict

From my midfield. I'm probably one mid elite short compared to a lot of coaches right now.

But the key determinant for structures for many if not most coaches will be how the rookie tree shakes out for Rd1. Until we know the quality and availability of rookies across all lines we are probably fooling ourselves if we think we have our structures solidified in January.

For we won't really know that until the team sheets drop on March 23.

Gaveday

Bang on about team sheets. See a lot teams with SPP and Eddy and I'm just not convinced. I'm locking in Keefe and Sharenberg though. "Locking"….

Derek

Roughie was doing some centre clearance work prior to his last injury.

SCaddict

If he had DPP ruck status he would be a dead set lock if he lines up for Rd1 and would lessen my interest in Ryder for ruck backup.

But even as it stands he has every chance of making my forward line and plenty of other coaches I'm guessing.

Paul

Sandilands with 3rd man up rule + Fyfe/Mundy/Neale = free points. Must pick Sandilands.

Krups

Get on Hickey

Redgumwon

Does anyone think that Birchall (Haw) could spend more time on the wing in the midfield? With Lewis, Mitchell & Hill moving on the Hawks need a little more outside run that uses the ball well in the midfield. Birchall might be a backline option if he does move into the middle

Ryan

Very minimal chance mate, Birchall doesn't have the engine to play on wing. Lewis and Mitchell will be replaced by omeara and Tmitchell. Outside run will be provided by smith, Hartung, even brust and rioli fur periods of time.

Derek

Birchells best days are behind him

Burnmen

Agree

Redgumwon

Thanks Ryan

Alferton

Hi community. Quick question I'm only a second year player and my team as it stands has 6 Collingwood players in it. Rd 13 bye rd I have 12 outs. Is this to many players from one team? As it stands I have: T Adams, L Keeffe, M Scharenberg, S Pendlebury, A Treloar, J Thomas. And I'm not even a Collingwood supporter.
Thoughts please.

Treloar & Order

can get rid of josh Thomas until he has been confirmed as elevated from the rookie list, plenty of other cheaper options that will play

Burnmen

Taylor Adams is over rated…………..

Declan

Alferton, I would say that 12 outs is to many cause u would have to cop 4 donuts. And also 6 Collingwood players is quite a lot of players from one team I would say.

neil demons delight

sorry Declan but I disagree .its important to load up r 13 bye .I have 14 outs 3 will go to premiums.Remember what Shake n Bake did with Danger last year..This strategy gives me the best possible bye outcome..The only hiccup is port and gold coast.needsa lot of thought but Ryder spp and Bowes could well be fattened by then