Supercoach 2017 Team Reveal v1.0
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I'm breaking every rule in SC this year and some you may break down in tears just looking at this monstrosity of a team but I'm breaking the shackles of seasons past and going on a suicidal path of experimentation.
DEF
Rance Adams Hibberd
Langdon Scharenberg Hampton
MID
Dangerfield J Kennedy Sloane
Martin Bontempelli Fyfe
Beams Myers
RUCK
Sandilands Giles
FWD
Macrae Heeney Touk Touk
Roughead Rioli Hoskin Elliot
Didn't bother listing bench rookies they will change 10000000 times
Unleash your hatred now.
It is the time to experiment – I like it!
Tell my why Myers & Riloi please Moshed.
Myers criminally cheap for a bloke who averaged 86 in 2014. If he's named (and he should) he's a must have
It's Willie Rioli just a rookie subject to change but I do think he can sneak into West Coast best 22
Love the rucks. Doing that myself. Think you should reconsider Hibberd. Avg last time he played in mid 80s. I do t see a reason to be confident of that changing.
I really like langdon, his got a lot of talent but i dont see him averaging over 90 probably not worth a spot
someone told me Roughie might not play until may
Yeah Roughie is likely to be changed I just love the bloke. Him coming in mid year would be ideal to offload that stagnating rookie we all have on the bench at that time cough Menadue cough
How the hell do I get myself setup to initiate discussions ?
My team is
Heater, Berry, Ryan, Montagna, Scharenberg, Stewart (Rookie 1 and 2)
Bont, JPK, Danger, Cripps (Car), Beams, Fyfe, Pendles, Powell Pepper ( Graham, Bowes, Myers)
Goldy, sandi (Strnadica)
Deledio, Pickett (Car), Caddy, Dahl, Macrae, Eddy (Stewart Ess, Darcy)
Set and forget mids, cash cows on all lines hopefully.
Early days obviously, but happy with the structure.
DEF: Shaw, Laird, Johannisen, Hampton, Scharenberg, Berry (Ryan, Stewart)
MID: Dangerfield, Kennedy, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, Brodie, Powell-Pepper (Myers, Wigg, Ahern)
RUCK: Gawn, Goldstein (Strnadica)
FWD: Kennedy, Dahlhaus, Heeney, Ryder, Simpkin, McKay (Lebois, Eddy)
Very nice, similar to mine, but not sure about Kennedy at F1????
Yeah I'm not 100% sold on him yet either, but I can see him having another good year. WC will be there abouts again and whenever they play weak teams at home Kennedy goes bananas. 16 scores of 80+ last year means he's not the worst option and a bit of a POD.
Like the structure, jezza.
Fyfe, beams, swallow in the guts is ballsy. I'd take 2 and try to get Bont down to M4
I'm leaning much more heavily towards a gun's a rookies structure this year (except the mids, as always there is too much fallen premo value to be had there).
Goes without saying that this is an early iteration.
DEF: Adams, Liard, JJ, A.McGrath, L.Ryan, T.Stewart
MIDS: Pendles, Zerrett, Bont, Fyfe, Heppell, D.Beams, D.Swallow, D.Myers
RUC: Gawn, Goldy
FWD: Dahl, Heeney, McCluggage, J.Stewart, A.Black, J.Pickett.
Straight up guns and rookies for me.
DEF: Shaw, Boyd, Rance, Stewart, McGrath, Ryan (Long, Witherden)
MID: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Fyfe, Neale, Bontempelli, Treloar, Powell-Pepper (Brodie, Bowes, Graham)
RUC: Goldstein, Grundy (Lynch)
FWD: Dahlhous, Macrae, McCluggage, Pickett, Simpkin, Gallucci (Florent , Eddy)
And also have Berry in my mid
Nice looking premo's. Try to scrape together the cash for a better F3
im not really confident on any forward premos at the moment so thats why i havent gone for a quality f3
Still chopping and changing a bit with the structure and players but liking the look of this team.
DEF: Doc, Adams, Laird, T.McDonald, Hartlett, Newman (Stewart, Ryan)
MID: Danger, Pendles ,GAJ, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams, Myers, SPP (Freeman,Ahern,Barrett)
RUC: Gawn, Sandi (Strnadica)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Ryder, McCluggage, Ainsworth, Black, Pickett (Rioli, Eddy)
Would love to hear some thoughts on my team.
Cheers Liam.
Maybe your 2/4 FWD lineup is off balance a little? Maybe one more non rookie player at F3?
Like the ryder back up for sandi
Yeah is a bit light, lots of good rookies in the forward line so feel liek they could do a role until I work out who I want in my forward line as there is not many options.
It seems most people who are going with sandi in Ruck are also playing Ryder in Forwards for cover.
Not sure whether two mid-pricers make a premium.
I think Ryder will do enough to be top 10 in forward and Sandi if fit can easy average 95 plus and acts as a great stepping stone to Goldy/Grundy.
Is Lobbe still playing for Port? or did they get rid of him?
Still playing but Ryder will be number 1 ruck.
True but if your running Sandi at R2 then you must have some ruck cover at F3/4. Don't think Ryder is the answer though, too much $$$ for a burnman. Better value a Boyd, or Nankervis IMO.
Currently adopting an unorthodox structure and would greatly appreciate some feedback.
Def: K Simpson, H Shaw, L Montagna, H Hartlett, R Murphy, M Scharenebrg, ( E Vicker-Wills, N Newman)
Mids: P Dangerfield, S Pendlebury, D Hannebery, J Kennedy, J Selwood, N Fyfe, D Swallow, S Selwood, (D Myers, S Powell-Pepper, J Graham)
Rucks: M Gawn, A Sandilands, (L Strandica)
Fwds: C McCarthy, H McLuggage, K Turner, J Bowes, O Florent, A Black, (J Pickett, B Eddy)
Reckon the FWD line is waaaayyyy too light on mate
Got the same structure in defence with the 5 premos, but in saying that I would maybe downgrade one of them as well one of Selwood or Swallow to get a few more premos in your fwd line.
Nice, Adam. Reckon you'll be caught short with cash generation though
there is alot of tooth length in defence
I like your idea. Not sure but didnt the overall Supercoach winner have the same structure with his team last year but did the same with his backline…
Def: Simpson, Doc, JJ, McGrath , Scrimshaw , Berry ( Scharenberg , Ryan
Mid: Danger, Pendles, Kennedy, Treloar, Murphy, OMeara, Taranto , McCluggage ( Petrevski -seton, Jarman, Junker)
Ruck: Martian , Sandi ( Cameron)
Fwd: Dalh, Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Ainsworth, Long ( Brown,Eddy )
Would downgrade a few of your expensive premos and upgrade Murphy and/or Martin to uber premiums.
thanks bloke. Which premos should i downgrade?
Jesus not premos rookies.
Would go
Taranto > Myers
Petrevski-seton > Powell-Pepper
McGrath > Stewart
Martin > Gawn.
Would also have Hampton over Scrimshaw.
Lol no worries. What about Newman also as rookie in backline
Yeah he is a great option as well.
Also Simpson, docherty and jj all have round 11 byes and you also have Dahl and macrame also in fwd line that's a lot of premo keepers out already in round 11 keep that in mind in you are trying to win overall. Range has round 12 bye and Heath shaw round 13 just a few other options for you.
Heeney also has found 11 bye I just realised which is why I'm not starting with him. So you don't want 3 Feds and 3 defender premises out in the same round, I would change 2-3 of them if I were you.
I've got a fairly vanilla sort of team, should gain some flavour towards the start of the season
DEF: Docherty, Adams, Johannisen (Hibberd, Ryan)
McGrath, Scharenberg, Berry
MID: Dangerfield, Treloar, Bontempelli (Powell-Pepper, Petrevski-Seton, Freeman)
Fyfe, Beams, Swallow,
Brodie, Galluci
RUC: Gawn, Goldstein (Strndica)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Caddy, Heeney (Black, Eddy)
McCluggage, Ainsworth, Bowes
Like it, but not sure about Caddy & Beams, who has admitted his knee will forever be cooked?
Thats big news on beams Matt. Where did you hear that. Not doubting you just super interested in checking out the story. I have him in my side this time of year, every year and have to drop him before the start. Was hoping this year would be diff.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-21/beams-winni…
in the article below — > "i'm going to have this problem for the rest of my career… still going to have some battles." Doesn't sound promising for me, unfortunately, A.K.A. Cooney 09' onwards.
Shaw, laird, Adams, JJ, McGrath, Scharenberg, Newman, Ryan
Danger, Pendles, Gary, Fyfe, Beams, Murphy, Swallow, Myers, SPP, Scheer, Graham
Gawn, Sandi, Strandica
Heeney, Ryder, Bennell, The luggage, J Smith, Long, Eddy, Smith
God, Fyfe, Beams, Murphy, Swallow… Missing a few heads, shoulders, knees, and toes in that lot!
Newman to tear the comp a new one if he gets a shot
Hoping 1-2 of those boys is a keeper Kev. I agree on Newman Kev. Named round 1 he's a must
Given your fondness for picks 30- 80 i have surprised to see McGraph and Luggage get a birth. You must have big opinion of both
Massive opinion Luskin. I'll reveal why in due course. It's isually picks 18-40 I'm fond of
Never was good with numbers. I'll look forward to your articles on the big 2 rookies. Dont have them in my side but you have been known to infuence my opinion
I've got a couple of crackers coming up
Mate that is a kenny rogers team right there.
Laird, adams and to a lesser extent jj in the back line hopefully they all hold up
Gaz (huge pod for you there), fyfe, beams, murph and swallow – played about 10 games between them last year
Sandi – hard to pass up his value
heeney #1 fwd!, ryder and bennell
Wow if that comes off pure genius, but for mine the cards are stacked against you.
lots of water but ….
That won't be my round 1 team trigger. No way in a millions years. Just playing around ATM
Like a few things in Pieman's team. Solid backline. Some real PODS, but as stated you'll change these 1000 times as preseason starts and roles develop. Love the selections in the Mids, taking a risk, but that's what the game is about. Murph is very good value if he is fit. Same with Swallow, I am keen on S Selwood myself over Swallow.
Heeney……choo choo jump aboard. Hopefully will get mid minutes.
Cheers German. If s Selwood is not tagging them he's real value. The question is what is his role
who is The luggage?
which Smith is that in the forward line?
Hugh Mcluggae & that's Tim smith for the Dee's
Have Scheer, SPP and Graham myself sitting on the pine. All in all I really have a similar midfield but lackly a mid/fwd DPP… Pickett may have to get a spot instead of one of those boys, maybe even instead of Myers….
DEFS: Premos: Doc (587,142), Rance (531,630), Tuohy (443,200) Rookies: McGrath (211,800), Scimshaw (184,800), Scharenberg (164,00)
Bench: Cox (BRL) (117,300), Berry (139,800)
MID: Premos: Danger (711,558), Pendles (645,700), Hanners (616,800), Gray (588,200) Bont (586,100) Mid priced: Fiorini (279,100) Rookies: McCluggage (211,800), Sam Petrevski-Seton (198,300)
Bench: Brodie (184,800), Powell-Pepper (135,300), Myers, (133,700)
Rk: Gawn (640,170) , Sandy (308,200)
Bench: Ratugolea (117,300)
Fwd: Premos: Dalh (520,700), Lynch (GCS) (507,200), Henney (433,400) Rookies: Ainsowrth (198,300), Simpkin (NTH) (162,300), Florent (166,800)
Bench: Ahern (123,900) Bolton (117,300)
Like the Fiorini pick Tim. Going to be a gun
a lot of people are telling to go with swallow but look at Fiorini 2 games 46,125 i know his first game isn't that impressive but his 2nd game shows there is value there and with o'meara and prestia gone who is going to step up? swallow, miller, fiorini?
Mate Ahern's got a busted knee. no chance to play 2017
DEF. Doc. T Adams. B Murph. A McGrath L Keefe. Berry.
Int. L Ryan. T Stewart
MID Danger. Hanners. Treloar. Bont. Fyfe Beams. Omeara. Swallow. Int. P. Pepper. Myers J Graham
RUCK Max. Sandi. Strainyadick
FWD. Dahl. Heeney. Ryder. McLuggage Bowes Pickett.
Int. Bolton Eddy
Gonna be a fair bit of switching going on before the season begins as with everyone else. Especially after a few cans
Guns & Rookies to start – bound to change over the pre-season…
Def: Docherty, Shaw, Rance, Marchbank, A.McGrath, Witherden (L. Ryan, T.Stewart);
Mid: Danger, Martin, Bont, Fyfe, T.Adams, Beams, Bowes, Powell-Pepper (Myers, J.Graham, Jarman);
Rucks: Gawn, Grundy (Cameron);
Fwds: Dahlhaus, Gunston, T.Nankervis, McCulggage, Ainsworth, Battle (S. Bolton, B. Eddy).
How's it looking Jock & Community????
Mids look a bit thin, Stevo
Think about putting Adams in defence. If he averages 105 its only fair for a mid but its great for a defender
Is Nankervis a GUN or a ROOKIE?
Neither, a DPP option though have since opted for Ryder.
Def: Docherty, Adams, Rance, Scharenberg, Mitch Hibberd, Ryan, (Stewart, Long)
Mids: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Hannebery, Fyfe, Heppell, Beams, Swallow, Myers, ( Powell-Pepper, Barrett, Graham)
Rucks: Gawn, Sandilands ( Strnadica)
Fwds: Dahlhaus, Macrea, Heeney, Ryder, Black, Tim Smith, (Lebois, Eddy).
Rucks have been doin my head in, normally set forget but I'm lookin at the "Sex on the Beach" combo this year to spread some $ to the guts.
Doch Vince Z.Williams (Newman)
Bob McGrath Berry (Ryan)
Danger GAJ Hannas (Petr-Set)
Treloar Fyfe Heppell (Ahearn)
Swallow Myers (Graham)
Big Stiffy/ Sandiballs (Stradniclush)
Rooey Heeney Ryder (Eddy)
Luggage Pickett T.Smith (Bolton)
Rooks subject to normal change, let's face it they all are bar Danger.
Pick away cheers.
Love your mids, hedski. Worried about Bob Murphy a bit. 34 and coming back from a knee.
Don't mind it at all Hedski. But I'm with Kev here I'm a bit worried about old Bob
Thanks lads, yeah Bobs a worry but could slash a rook or two and upgrade him a bit I'll suss it out. Cheers.
Nice to see someone else line up with Bernie in the defense… I'm EXTREMELY surprised he's not featuring in more teams….
Yeah I reckon he'll go well in an improving demons outfit fatty, tooth length not that long yet, cheers.
(Have slotted Hooker in for Bob ATM, might even slash Doch and up Hooker a bit)
Hurley ahead of Hooker by the length of the straight
Yeah have Heppell and Myers and Ryder ATM don't wanna over load on the peptides
3 sub 60 scores in his last 5 games, reckon the tooth length might be catchin up with him??
Nice one Moustasch didn't see that, food for thought
Def: doch,Adams, jj, t-mack, a otten, e Vick-will. Bench: L Ryan, n larkey
Mid: gaz, dusty, bont, Fyfe, hepp, beams, swallow, a witherden. Bench: c brown, s Bolton, j graham.
Ruck: sandy, s martin. bench: l strnadica.
Fwd: macrae, t lynch, heeney, Ryder, Bowes, Balic. Bench: t miles, t smith.
Going in heavy with comeback kids, but very confident fyfe beams will return in good shape and finish top 8, rolling the dice a bit with Heppell, Ryder and swallow. Pre season form pending with those selections but with their ability should come back into form straight away. Thoughts please
Otten is not best 22.
DEF: T.Adams, Lloyd, Hartlett, Murphy, McGrath, Logue (Scrimshaw, Ryan)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hannas, Bont, Fyfe, D. Beams, Swallow, Petrevski-Seton (Berry, Myers, O'Hanrahan)
RUC: Gawn, Ryder (Eagles)
FWD: J.Kennedy, Heeney, Mccluggage, Ainsworth, Bowes, Gallucci (Rioli, Eddy)
Will only be some minor tweaking to find a better R2 but am more than happy to roll. Preseason watch for rookies is the no brainer.
Like the Lloyd selection Beastiano!
DEF Adams, Hurley, Tuohy, McGrath, Scharenberg, Ryan BCH Berry, Stewart
MID DANGER, GAJ, JPK, Gray, Tom Mitchell, O'meara, swallow, mcclugage BCH Powell- Pepper, Myers, florent
RCK Gawn, Goldstein BCH Cameron
FWD Dalhause, Ryder, Elliot, Hoskin-Elliot, Ainsworth, Simpkin BCH McKay, Eddy
staggered more haven't picked Tommy Mitchell Jacob! I'll have him.
Hey lads, good to be back for SuperCoach 2017! Thoughts on my team would be great.
DEF: Simpson, Shaw, Laird, McGrath, Berry and Ryan (Long and Stewart)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Bont, Fyfe, Heppell, Swallow, Brodie and Myers (Powell-Pepper, Fisher and Graham)
RUC: Gawn and Goldy (Strnadica)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Deledio, Heeney, Taranto, McCluggage and Bowes (Williams and Eddy)
11.5k left with a not so good bye structure of (R9) 5, (R11) 9, (R12) 4, (R13) 11. Cheers!
Not a lot of teams having Omeara????
To big of a risk
Omeara ? Locked in.
Expected more JOM in teams as well lads!
Swallow looking like the better option. Previously had JOM but his injury history keeps me worried.
Yeah a lot of people are staying clear of JOM only because of the history of his injury more commonly seen in NFL the average amount of games played coming back from an injury like that is 45 but that was between 1994-2004
https://twitter.com/gaveday/status/81655728640755…
Lacks some star power, gaveday. No Danger, Pendles, Hanners/JPK. Backline needs Shaw or Doc at D1
The stars will come when the Rockies emerge – however my midfield is locked
Id consider moving Bennell to the fwds. If he scores 105 its an ok score for a mid but a great score for a fwd.
Bennell did his calf (again) in training. (fact.)
Bennell was out with Yarran. (Rumour I just made up! 😉 )
Back: Shaw, Laird, Adams, JJ, rooks
Mid: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Fyfe, Beams, D Swallow, rooks
Ruck: Goldy, Sandi, rookie fwd/ruck
Fwd: Dahl, Heeney, Wingard, Ryder, rooks
Think Beams is M6 at best. Personally think having all three of Heeney, Wingard and Ryder in your forward line is a huge risk. Would suggest trying to get one more premium mid in there at the expense of one or more of these three
Hoping there is money to be made in the mids.
The forward line is a mess but I like Wingard and Ryder. Wingard has averaged 110 then 890 then 100 then 80. Surely he lifts again this year. Ryder can finish up as F7 ruck cover. And think Heeney will be the NUMBER ONE FORWARD.
JJ, Tuohy, hibberd, S May, Bob Murphy L Keefe
Danger,Pendles, Heppell, Seb Ross, M Murphy, D Beams, D Swallow A McGrath ( really want him in defence with my def/mid swing on the bench)
Grundy/ Sandi
Macrae,Heeney, Hrovat,T Boyd, C Mcarthey Mcluggage
I like your team for being different mate but reckon you'll be doing lots of sideways trading when the season begins.
Will Hibberd/May/Keefe/Heppell/Ross/Murphy/Hrovat all be top 8 in their respective areas? or are they cash generation selections? IF they are neither I don't think they warrant a spot in your team! Maybe one or two of them but think you've got too many "maybe" breakout contenders.
Good luck for the season.
Does no one want Jobe?
There's a few too many question marks around him mate. A very big chance that he's lost his desire which is understandable
Hey Jock, conversely do you think that he might also have a burning desire to set the record straight in a swansong season?
Banned last season, handed his brownlow back amd captain of one of the biggest and proudest clubs in the land who will need to work hard to remove that dark dank smear of their guernseys. I'm thinking he may have more to prove than anyone and could come out of the blocks on fire, can't see him sustaining it if he does but could offer a very nice step up to a ultra-premo early on.
Personally I feel he is too much of a Clubman to line up round 1 if his heart or head wasn't in it (handing back his chas shows this to me) so is in my thoughts currently and will watch keenly during nab as significant value there in early scores and $$ to ignore.
Scouser – I've been around the block too many times to not pay significant heed to and of your opinions mate. It is bloody fantastic to see you in here and raise a good point. He is a proud man and a man of character there's no arguments there. The possibility of using him as a potential stepping stone to a premo is interesting. I'll be leaving him alone at this stage but you've got me thinking you brilliant beautiful bastard
Early dayz
Doc, jj, harlett, murph, hampton, berry. (ryan, newman)
Danger, jpk, treloar, gray, sloane, fyfe, beams, myers. (scheer, graham, fwd/mid rook)
Martin, sandi (strand…)
Dahl, heeney, bennell, mccarthy, bowes,/mclug, Galluci. (Eddy, pickett)
This is my gun midfield version
Other option drop a mid sloane maybe to torranto/brodie and upgrade ruck to big maxy.
Its only Jan so lots of water….
Reckon you need R/F to cover Sandi, Trig.
Seen Hampton a lot. Don't see where he fits at the Crows. Plenty of competition for his position.
Dont agree on the ruck cover Kev. Dont like having someone in the team to cover for someone else. Its like setting a field in cricket to defend bad bowling. With you on Hampton though.
Cheers lusk.
hampton just thrown in there could be any number of players, could become McGrath or schareberg etc
Liked martins back end to the season, apparently fixed what was wrong in the pre season. Surely fagan lets him go in the guts by himself and a stinger took out their back up ruck for awhile, if rucking solo and not playing fwd I'm in.
Sandi I'm hoping makes it to rd 12 where the plan is to upgrade after gawns bye.
I wouldnt make that change mate. Gawn will be cheaper later plus Martin and Sandi are both capable of scoring 105 regulalrly. Martin was injury impacted last year.
No Pendles trigger! Hartlett is an interesting one, could be gold could burn you. I'm not sure about him
Cant afford them all INP need another 50-60k to go sloane – pendles.
danger lock, jpk figure he has 5-10 more points per game now tmitch gone, gray pod big fan, treloar just getting started, fyfe improving every day – value, sloane can go big but would love to change to pendles.
guess if a cheapo rook performs during preseason could dowwngrade a excy rook and upgrade to pendles.
Hartlett yeah not sure either but need to save some cash to afford all those mids calculated risk guess
Don't see any evidence of Titch stealing points from JPK… RGray maybe better as upgrade target after his bye (can see whether he is gonna crack the shits again this year).
Do people think jarrod witts is to expensive for ruck cover? Leaning towards him as im not convinced by any of the rf options and would much rather have that extra midfider in the forward line
I think he's a huge shot mate , Nicholls will go down and they'll throw Witts through . As far as price might be a bit much for r3 , if you have sandi better off having Ryder in the fwd line to cover , if you've gone goldy and Gawn would go darcy Cameron from the swans at 117k .
Ohh and also my team
Back – docherty , heater, joey , Ryan , berry , Newman
Middle – danger , pendles , hanners , titchell , beams , swallow, Myers
Forward- Dahl , macrae , heeney , Bowes , black , eddy
Ruck – Gawn and sauce Jacobs
More a case of being too shite.
I don't like any fwds so far so waiting on rookies to pop up and hopefully rest of field makes up the points. Purely keepers from the get go as every year I seem to sideways trade.
Doch, shaw, Adams,laird, JJ, Ryan
Danger,hanna, Bont, Fyfe, Heppell, beams, Meyers, rookie
Gawn, goldy
Dahl, heeney, rookie rookie rookie rookie.
C'mon fwd gems!
That's bold. Really going to leave your knackers swinging in the breeze if no decent rookie fwds step up
Got 200k put aside for when Pieman convinces me to pick McGraph and Luggage but until then here is my team
Doc, T Adams, Hurley, Thurlow, Scharenberg, Berry, ryan, Newman
Danger, Pendles, Merritt, Cripps, Fyfe, Beams, O'Meara, Swallow, myers, scheer, Graham
Sandi, Giles, doughnut valued at 102000
Dahlhaus, lids, Bennell, Knight, Thomas, Williams, long, eddy
I think when preseason games begin you won't need me to convince you on McGrath & luggage. That's a very deep midfield Luskin!!! But I like it
Problem with Giles is Lycett is back after 3-4 rounds isn't he? Vardy could always get the nod too….
Think you'll find Lycett might be a little longer than that. Giles would have to do some big convincing to role the dice in him
Lycett expected back around time of byes. By then Giles will have had 3 games where he might score about 70 and 8 where 90 is possible. That will do me for less than 300k. Intend trading to Gawn, Goldy or Martin ( if he has recaptured 2015 form) at that stage.
Solid plan
They'd have to average 80 to justify the price, much safer ways to make cash that will also leave you cash to buy the top premos.
PS Hope Mccluggage is on a serious peptide program over summer, you look at his height/weight he is a string bean. Doubt he will line up r1.
My team atm:
Def – Doc, JJ, Mills plus rookies (McGrath, Witherden, Stewart, Hinge, Ryan)
Mid – Danger, JPK, Neale, Sloane, O'Meara, Swallow plus rookies (Berry, SPP, Myers, Drew, Graham)
Ruck – Gawn, Martin (Cameron)
Fwd – Dalhaus, McCrae, Lynch, Heeney, Nankervis(Ruck DPP) plus rookies (McCluggage, Pickett, Eddy)
Rookies obviously subject to change.
No Fyfe? Neale is in for back surgery. Like the Mills selection
Mills is definately going under the radar. Swans have said he and Heeney likely to share Mitchell role.
Very keen on both Mills and Heeney this year.
When you say Mitchell roll are they talking about a tagging role ?
Thanks. Didn't see that news on Neale
Backs; Adams, Laird, Z.Willams, McGrath, Newman, Ryan….Bench; Hewett, O'Riordan
Mids; Danger, Pendles, Sloane, Fyfe, T.Mitchell, Beams, Swallow, Myers…. Bench; Hibberd, Freeman, Dawson
Rucks; Goldy, Sandi…. Bench; Strnadica
Fwds; Kennedy, Dahlhaus, Heeney, Ryder, Bowes, Leonardis…..Bench; Beech, Long
Reckon you could swap Kennedy for one more premium defender. I think the premo options in Defence are more solid than the forward line. Kennedy especially as a KPP in a team that might see supply reduced with no NicNat.
W/Coast shark ok, and im expecting them to go ok even without NicNat, they were up and down last year with him, they will float around 5th most of the year, im in the west and see plenty of them JK avg 98 last year so he will be in the mix, early days yet plenty will change and i don't expect many will start with him. So he stays for now.
Zac Dawson isn't a midfielder!!!
I think he is referring to Jordan Dawson from Sydney.
Ross'es secret weapon Derek, yes its the swan kid.
DEF
Docherty Adams McGrath Sharenberg Berry Newman Ryan Stewart
MID
Dangerfield Pendlebury Hannebery Treloar Bontempelli Fyfe Beams Swallow Powell-Pepper Myers Graham
RUCK
Gawn Sandilands Strnidica
FWD
Dahlhouse Heeney Ryder McLuggage Bowes Bolton
Smith Eddy
Reckon you could afford to bat deeper in Defence and lighter in the forward line. Personally would swap Doch and Heeney for two solid premos in Defence
A couple of differences from the others but really I'm just playin until the end of JLT. Some of these guys are rookies and without an upgrade they're ineligible to play but we can always hope
Doch, Montag, ZacW, Marchbank, Vickers-Willis-Brophy-Schberg-Ryan
Danger, Pendle, Gaz, Fyffe, Heppell, JOM, DSwallow, Myers, Leonardis-Brown-Graham
Max & Steph
NRiewoldt, Dahlhouse, Heeney, McCarthy, Pickett, Smith, Black-Eddy
Def. Adams, Laird, JJ, Hartlett, Scharenburg, Ryan (Stewart, Newman)
Mid. Danger, JPK, Treloar, Rockliff, Fyfe, T Mitchell, Swallow, Myers (SPP, Freeman, Graham)
ruck. Gawn, Sandi (Strndica)
Fwd. Dahl, Ryder, McCluggage, Knight, Bowes, Turner (Rioli, Eddy)
50k left to find room for McGrath if need be
Rocky is interesting. If Beams holds up his output could fall. In the games they have played together Rocky averages 100 only. Way down on what he does with no Beams.
Hmm that's a great insight. Thanks. Rocky was my Bruyn manoeuvre for 2017. His early draw made him a great VC/ Capt option with Danger. I actually had dreams of him hitting 700k and selling him off. Might put Selwood in instead. Great for the bye structure. Thanks again for the insight.
Hartlett is interesting. Big POD, but will he score well? Is he going to be a top 10 by season end? I like your other three
top priced, perhaps try to bring one of those up to Doc or Shaw. Hard to do that though.
I've had enough of Rocky, burned too many trades getting rid of him on an injury, then back in when in form 10 weeks later, only to be injured yet again. Massive risk with this guy. Beams will hopefully hold up and will be one of the best steals this year. Unsure on Mitchell also, just unsure on his talent vs the Hawthorn way.
Rest is pretty solid. Good start, now to restructure about 1000 times before round 1!
That's like… 6 games.
Be interesting to see what we (Pies) do with Shaz play him early or bring him on slowly, unsure on pies back 6 set up they look light on to me and Bucks wont have a job next year because of it.
You look light on with the fwds.
Like everyone else my team is really just speculative ATM. My final structures will depend on the availability of quality rookies come rd one. This year I will try to stuff as many into my team as possible even if it means being slightly unbalanced for the first few weeks.
Adams Laird JJ McGrath Scharenberg Newman (Ryan Stewart)
Danger Pendles Zerrett Bont Fyfe Beams Swallw Luggage (SPP Myers Graham)
Gawn Goldy (Hunter)
Dahl Heeney Boyd Stewart Black Pickett (Smith Eddy)
If you think luggage is good enough to be in starting lineup then you should move him to fwds. Whatever he scores will be of more value there.
Just there for structure ATM.
Zerrett wont score as highly as he did in 2016 with all the Ess players back.
Yeah I understand why people think that but I actually think he'll be just as good, hopefully even better. He's arguably Essendon's best mid and he's not going to lose his spot. This year he proved himself to be a hard ball getting, high disposal, high DE% tackle machine. If he was more of an outside player I'd be more concerned.
Ok this quote today from Guy McKenna re the returning players concerns me:
“The beauty about the big tractors coming back in is those lighter fellas – Darcy, even ‘Junior’ Merrett … instead of putting his head in the trough all the time, he can get some ball on the outside and really hurt the opposition.”
Positional change for Zerrett coming up?
See a lot of teams with Docherty. Really think that's a steep price for a defender. He has only produced one year of that level. Given the other solid options in Defence, plus the likelihood that his price will come down, really think he is an upgrade option and spend the money on a proven mid premium.
It was his 4th season and his average has gone up each year. Factory in also that there is nothing to suggest a role change and it doesnt smell like a fluke to me.
Agree his score is no fluke and I expect him to be in the top 3 defenders this year, but I also agree with Keenbutclueless and I'll be waiting for his price to come down.
The fact is he is priced at a price he's never ever achieved. He's coming down. No doubt about it. That's when you strike
I am not afraid to say that I immediately discount any team proposing to start Doc. There's just no value there.
Defenders:
Heath Shaw
Matthew Boyd
Jason Johannisen
Jarrod Berry
Alex Witherden
Ben Long
Luke Ryan
Tom Stewart
Midfielders:
Patrick Dangerfield
Josh P. Kennedy
Joel Selwood
Marcus Bontempelli
Tom Mitchell
Lachie Hunter
Sam Powell-Pepper
David Myers
Dylan Clarke
Kobe Mutch
Shai Bolton
Rucks:
Max Gawn
Brodie Grundy
Luke Strnadica
Forwards:
Luke Dahlhaus
Jack Macrae
Isaac Heeney
Hugh McCluggage
Jack Bowes
Aaron Black
Jarrod Pickett
Brett Eddy
Think you should name your team "The Kennel ", with all those Bulldogs. Your Rd 11 Bye lineup will be a mess with 9 premos missing (assuming you count Hunter as a premo).
DEF: JJ, Laird, Zilliams, Scharenberg, Newman, L Ryan, T Stewart, Witherden
MID: Danger, Fyfe, Bont, JJK, Sloane, Beams, D Swallow, S Powell-Pepper, D Myers, J Pickett, J Berry
RUC: Gawn, Ryder, Strnadica
FWD: Dahl, Lynch, Heeney, J Stewart, Bowes, McCluggage, W Rioli, B Eddy
Looking to take a few risk this season, early days of course but what are your thoughts on J Steele (in place of Heeney, could easilt replace McCluggage though?), Coniglio (in place of Fyfe), or Viney in place of Sloane.
Thanks in advance lads!
http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2016/12/30/steven-… http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2016/11/25/jack-vi…
Use these to make your decision about those 2 players, I would wait to see on Steele's role within in the Saints before selecting him
Sorry I fell of my seat when you typod "in place of Fyfe", which clearly no same person would say.
Hi all,
Where is everyone getting the prices from? Has supercoach 2017 site opened?
Ignore that, just found it.
Hope you're Higginating away Holty 😉
Backs
Docherty, Shaw, Adams, Johhanisen, McGrath, Scharenberg — Ryan, Stewart
Mids
Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, AInsworth, Berry — Powell-Pepper, Myers, Bolton
Rucks
Gawn, Sandilands — Strnadica
Fwds
Dahlhaus, Heeney, Ryder, McCluggage, Bowes, Black — Pickett, Eddy
$55,600 remaining
Only 5 players between 250k and 500k, of which 4 should be keepers (Beams, Sandilands, Heeney & Ryder, with Swallow needing an upgrade).
Byes for keepers:
B: 11×2, 13×2
M: 11×2, 12×1, 13×2
R: 11×1, 13×1
F: 9×1, 11×2
Thoughts?
Sandy and Ryder may need an upgrade, heeney, beams are locks
Solid Holey. Probably would consider Ainsworth as a forward since you already have a DPP in Bolton in your midfield. Brodie could be a better option still early days though.
Initial team for 2017 is:
DEF: Adams, Vince, Hartlett, K.Kolodjashnij, McGrath, Scharenberg BENCH: Witherden, Ryan
MIDS: Treloar, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Heppell, O'Meara, D.Swallow, Myers, BENCH: Brodie, Powell-Pepper, Pickett
RUCKS: Grundy, Nankervis BENCH: English
FWDS: Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Petracca, Ellis-Yolmen, McCluggage BENCH: Lyons, Jarman
A very different looking team! I think what it is missing is Captain options. I was strong on Rockliff also, but received some good advice re his average when Beams plays. See above. Basically leaves you with Fyfe.
Was thinking Treloar as Captain… starting to become more consistent with only 6 scores under 100+ last year and a season low of 73. Coming into his prime. I initially had Patty Cripps in place of Rockliff prior to the back injury.
Was not good advice due to being based on very low number of games, not to mention whether either of them were carrying injuries.
Love the POD team Keen! Midfield especially – LOVE the thing mate.
yep that team is way out of the norm
Alrighty lads, first shot at it. Rookies will come and go as season approaches, but, here's my take on it:
DEF: Shaw, T Adams, Tuouy, McGrath, Scharenberg, Hampton (Newman, Ryan)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Kennedy, Fyfe, Beams, S Selwood, Pet-Set, McLuggage (Myers, SPP, Berry)
R: Gawn, Jacobs, (Strnadica)
F: Dhouse, Heeney, T Miller, Ryder, Ainsworth, A Black (Pickett, S Bolton).
Going for Tuouy for a POD. Same goes with Selwood, who's back and fit.
I'm in the Touk Miller is a trap camp. Maybe cos I got burned by Lonergan last year. Other than that, really solid.
Yep, agree with you here. I guess these type of variable players will come and go by season start. We are really stuck with Mid type players in the forward line. Unless something pops up, may stick with him, though depending on preseason form and role more so.
I'm also in the touk Miller is a trap camp. Pretty solid indeed German. I wrote on a piece for jock on SPP, have a read. He's not a bloke you want on the field. And no swallow? Interesting
Yes, I think he's one of the guys that will be on the in/out of my team throughout the preseason. Looking for a good option in the price range that Miller has. Or less should that be.
Love your writeup on SPP. Will keep him on the bench for sure. I've also upgraded Pet-Set to Swallow. However, that leaves me with a risky four in the midfield; Beams, Fyfe, S Selwood and Swallow. I think Selwood and Fyfe should be ok, the other two are a risk due to injury.
Thanks for the feedback!
If miller gets a lot of mid time he is a great pick. Do t think he will though. Suns have Ablett, Barlow, Hanley, Swallow, Fiorini, Hall, rischitelli, lyons, lomergan and all tne rookies they grabbed.i think the only one there he will definately be higher in pecking order than is lonergan
Hi all.
See Rance or Laird in a fair few teams. Thoughts on best.option or go with both? Very new to super coach. Thanks.
Welcome to supercoach. Be warned it takes over your life. Think you want both in your team at the end of the year. So if you can afford both i would. If picking one would go for laird. He is going into yr5 while rance is going into yr9 so you would expect more improvement on previous year from laird.
Thank you. Already has. Can't stop thinking supercoach.
I start with both last year and both should be fairly good options again this year. Can't really see them drop in average too much
Thank you. Think i will go both.
Def: Docherty, Rance, Hurley, Hartlett, Hampton.C, Berry.J (Rice.B, Ryan.L)
Mid: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Kennedy, Gray, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow.D, Myers.D (Barrett.J, Gore.D, Freeman.N)
Rck: Gawn, Sandilands (Strnadica.L)
Fwd: Dahlhaus, Heeney, Ryder, Bowes.J, Pickett.J, Eddy.B (Black.A, Brown.C)
Solid team. Only question is on the rookies- have you left enough room for some of the Premo rookies like McGrath and McCluggage? You are relying on the cheaper ones to get you through.
That's a valid point. Ive only got $600 to spare so I will see how the rookies go in the NAB cup.
my first time commenting on this forum so please take it easy on me 🙂
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ive gone for 13 keepers , which includes 4 from defence , 5 forwards , and 4 mids ,
2 rucks and 4 mids will be upgraded , before the bye rounds once their value increases
i will be completing my backline & forward line with premos once the rookies do their job 🙂
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B…Docherty ,Simpson ,Adams , Tuohy , ..rookie x 4
M..Danger , Ablett , Kennedy , Fyfe , Beams , O’meara , Swallow , Myers ..rookie x 3
R..sandilands, Giles …(strnadica)
F…Mcrae .Caddy , Wingard , Heeney , Ryder …rookie x 3
Generally like the team. Got issue with Tuohy. .A lot of people picking him on expectation that he will get Enright role but i dont think he is good enough to produce enright numbers.There are 2 Wingards. Depends which one turns up. If the good one does he is a steal
Nice start abs. Probably need a solid premo ruck. Giles and Sandilands probably aren't 100% reliable in my book. Simpson could be mid season upgrade so there is less risk with him. Otherwise nice team
Welcome abs!! Great to see you getting amongst it mate.
LIKE: Some relative PODs in Tuohy, Ablett, JOM (noone picking him!), Giles i bloody love.
Like the way you're going about it mate – this is a unique team with great creds.
I think Defense is very hard this to find value, Defense is always the lowest scoring area and therefore we should spend the least of our starting cash there. Our initial $10m needs to work harder earlier to score points.
This year there are some great choices for premiums, much better than previous years and the top 10 look clear cut, however i think most of them are over-valued compared to other lines. Initial money would be better spent in other lines and wait for the Defense Premiums to fall in value and pick them up once the cash cows have fattened up.
Compare Docherty/Simpson/ Shaw/Boyd to Sloane/Gray/Bont/Fyfe for same value. I would initially be going one or even 2 less premium defenders and looking for value in the midfield.
there does seem to be enough defense rookies (there always is) to fill the starting spots and generate some cash.
The forward line seems the opposite this year. the top 10 premiums is not clear cut plus there seems to be alot of value with some players who may end up being top 10 premiums by the end of the year. Such as Gunston, Wingard, Heeney, Ryder, Betts, Rioli, Greene, Bennell, Yeo, Petracca. The trick is who?
I think N Riewoldt & dahlhaus pick themselves, good value and guaranteed top 10 premium keepers.
there also seems to be a lack of obvious Forward rookies.
If your feeling like a bit of Mid-price Madness, i think the forward line is where we can have the best rewards.
The Rucks will be divided into those who have Sandi and those who don't. To me he just represents too much value at $308k (however, i did say that about lobbe last year and TBC the year before – shudder)
the midfield is just filled with quality, you could throw a dart at the top 30 and not be unhappy with who you get. It just comes down to your structure and how many uber premiums do you start your season with? Previous years i've gone with 5, but i'm thinking 6 or even 7 might be better value this year.
There is a little bit of value in the midfield, Beams, Murphy & Swallow stand out to me but they come with an injury concern. I started last year with Rocky & B Crouch and my season was shot by week 4, why didn't i listen to all the wise old heads who were warning against picking injury risk players! this year, i'll be the wise old head and warn everyone else…………and then pick Beams.
My team as it is prior to reading the Jock Reynolds magazine……
DEF: Adams, JJ, McGrath, Scharenberg, Newman, Ryan, (Rookies x2)
MIDS: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, JPK, Selwood, Fyfe, The Bont, Beams, Power-Pepper (Rookies x3)
RUC: Goldy, Sandi
FWD: N Riewoldt, Dahlhaus, Wingard, Heeney, McCluggage, Black (Rookies x2)
$20k left.
I think there might be a few more forward rookies emerge. Riley Knight, Bowes, Turner – maybe even Matt White. So if you are gambling on Wingard because you think there is not enough rookies, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Midfield is gold. But I would suggest you reconsider Beams. If you do trust a rookie to replace Wingard, then Beams becomes another uber premium. Which would be consistent with your philosophy outlined.
Beams is there for now as insurance
You have to take the gamble on Beams, he is priced to avg 79. In his last 100 games he has scored more than that 87 times
Agree, he is the Libba of last year. His price alone almost picks him.
But, I went B Crouch last year instead of Libba, stuffed my start. Could Beams be another Crouch.
The more I think, the less likely to select.
Taken Beams out and put Docherty in. Extra rookie in Mids.
Wingard out and R Kight in
Points scoring capacity of team just plummeted. Reverse trade.
I do have my fears over Beams and Swallow as well, but they could easily make around $200k if they were to get injured later on. Hurley is a defence premo with some value. Nice looking team, I suppose rookies will come along in time
I'm thinking the backline is offering more certainty than other lines and so I am taking a different path. Set and forget down back — four premos in my starting team.
Who knows which forwards will end up being top six? Lock in Dahl, take a punt on two or maximum three others, load up on rookies.
I'm taking one more rookie than usual in the guts, as long as good rookie options abound. All the premo midfielders are priced right near their peaks I reckon. Value to be had if you're patient. Just hope you're not too far behind the pack by then.
I did that last year, loaded up defence thinking there were no rookies. Struggled to get decent scores from them.
I kind of agree re: fwd vs def. Although we don't know who will be top, there is ridiculous value in fwd eg Dahl, Lids, Bennell, Roughy, Wingard, Heeney. In def there are a lot of guys in contention for top and not much value other than Hartlett.
In the end though I will max out on top rookies who are named r1, regardless of position, and the rest will fill itself in.
One of the best wisdoms I've heard Derick!
Look for Simpson/Shaw/Docherty all to drop…
My defence so far is an interesting one…. Adams, Williams, Tuohy and Murphy as D1-4… too many risks so far? perhaps. One will surely fall for Simpson as he is just like a fine wine, getting better with age. Ultra consistent.
I agree with everything you just wrote. However if you load up 6 – 7 premos deep into your midfield aren't you just limiting your access to the best cash generating rookies (typically mid rookies)?
I think those days are gone since the better rookies are now much higher priced.
Some of the gun rookies in the guts will be $170+ where rookies on other lines will be $120k
It is always a bit of a trade off between cash and points early on. Last year I got too far behind early.
7 does feel a bit too much, 6 uber premiums would be better.
I'm going down to 6 this year mate! You used to lose your best cash generating rookies but I agree those days are more limited now.. Load up on the high scoring promo's and get ahead of the pack with points and pick the right ones in defence/forward.
Docherty/Simpson/Shaw/Boyd SMASHED Sloane/Gray/Bont/Fyffe by more than 1,000 points in 2016. Maybe that theory of yours would be a good anchor for that little boat
I like your m1-6 and f1,2,4 but I hope that your defense is a joke
Perhaps the reason that the defence smashed the midfield by 1000 was because Fyfe had played just 5 games? Not a SuperCoach freak but seems logical.
We only need a starting team for now, obviously I will improve my defence once cows have fattened and the overpriced defence premiums have fallen.
Hopefully early points lost in defence will be picked up elsewhere.
They also have about 1000 years more of age. Risky times to pay full price for Simpson, Shaw and Boyd. Then you have Doc who has exactly one good season under the belt, plenty of others who have failed to follow up similar.
Im always the vanilla type of team dude, straight forward, 0 curve balls and dont get sucked into the mid price hype (Sheridan last year etc)
Doc, Laird, JJ, Hibbered, Marchbank – Rookie x3
Danger, Bont, Fyfe, Pendles, JPK, JOM, Swallow – Rookie x 4 (JOM and Swallow pending preseason gametime, if they get minutes they are in my team, dont care about form, i want hours into those legs)
Giles, Sandi – Loophole x1 (cheap and should get some decent points if both are fit, both will be #1 rucks in fit which helps)
Dahl, Macrae, Ryder, Heeney – Rookie x 4
nice strategy and should finish around 10,000th.
16 trades without injury assuming 200k growth of each rookie = highly unlikely.
Far too benign to win imo. Nice league winning system though!
By the way I would love to hear your thoughts on Marchbank? what do Carlton expect this year from him?
thanks
i finished 3k with the same opening strategy last year, nice opinion though.
you can find all your Marchbank details on http://www.google.com
take it easy 🙂
I see 11 keepers bolts. I don't understand AMAC's comment on 16 trades (I get 30) and not being top 10,000, at least 3 of your rookies will ave 70 over the first 6 weeks and 2 of them will ave more than 80. Giles Sandi combo is probably a bit weak I hear Kruez has been ripping it up at CHF if it's true he'd be a nice POD
My first effort for the year for a Supercoach Team…..for some reason I never go that well in Supercoach….I am a gun at Real Dreamteam where I am regularly in the top 50…..Anyway looking to improve so all comments appreciated and any observations as to different strategies between Supercoach and Real DreamTeam…..Thanks guys and girls.
TEAM NAME: WinesNPepper
DEF: S. Docherty, H. Shaw, H. Hartlett, A. McGrath, L. Keeffe, G. Logue (M. Scharenberg, J. Thurlow)
MID: P. Dangerfield, S. Pendlebury, D. Hannebery, G. Ablett jnr, N. Fyfe, D. Heppell, D. Beams, S. Selwood (H. McCluggage, S. Powell-Pepper, M. White)
RUC: M. Gawn, A. Sandilands (T. Bellchambers)
FWD: J. Macrae, P. Ryder, H. Bennell, J. Carlisle, J. Bowes, B. Ainsworth (J. Simpkin, B. Eddy)
CASH LEFT: $12,700
TBC? Is he still playing
$117k….should get a game or three….might make a small amount of money….and loophole if he doesn't.
TBC, isn't he $305k?
For some reason on the program i'm using to generate this team I can't pick Dahl as a fwd….would consider him over Macrae…..and M7/8 open to change if form of JOM D Swallow warrants or move Mccluggage onto the field and use money elsewhere….all very early
FanFooty by any chance ?
If so some of the prices are completely off, would check the real ones.
wow….your right…The Higginator has TBC at 330k I think….not quite such a bargain