Supercoach 2017 Team Reveal v1.0

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discojim · 04/01/2017 at 17:33
It is the time to experiment – I like it!
Tell my why Myers & Riloi please Moshed.

Kev · 04/01/2017 at 17:39
Myers criminally cheap for a bloke who averaged 86 in 2014. If he's named (and he should) he's a must have

Moshedpotatoes · 04/01/2017 at 17:57
It's Willie Rioli just a rookie subject to change but I do think he can sneak into West Coast best 22

Luskin Star · 04/01/2017 at 18:26
Love the rucks. Doing that myself. Think you should reconsider Hibberd. Avg last time he played in mid 80s. I do t see a reason to be confident of that changing.

Vchap · 04/01/2017 at 22:28
I really like langdon, his got a lot of talent but i dont see him averaging over 90 probably not worth a spot

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 13:40
someone told me Roughie might not play until may

Moshedpotatoes · 05/01/2017 at 15:02
Yeah Roughie is likely to be changed I just love the bloke. Him coming in mid year would be ideal to offload that stagnating rookie we all have on the bench at that time cough Menadue cough

Wighty · 05/01/2017 at 14:18
How the hell do I get myself setup to initiate discussions ?
My team is
Heater, Berry, Ryan, Montagna, Scharenberg, Stewart (Rookie 1 and 2)
Bont, JPK, Danger, Cripps (Car), Beams, Fyfe, Pendles, Powell Pepper ( Graham, Bowes, Myers)
Goldy, sandi (Strnadica)
Deledio, Pickett (Car), Caddy, Dahl, Macrae, Eddy (Stewart Ess, Darcy)
Set and forget mids, cash cows on all lines hopefully.

Matt · 04/01/2017 at 17:33
Very nice, similar to mine, but not sure about Kennedy at F1????

jezzzahill · 05/01/2017 at 10:49
Yeah I'm not 100% sold on him yet either, but I can see him having another good year. WC will be there abouts again and whenever they play weak teams at home Kennedy goes bananas. 16 scores of 80+ last year means he's not the worst option and a bit of a POD.

Kev · 04/01/2017 at 17:42
Like the structure, jezza.
Fyfe, beams, swallow in the guts is ballsy. I'd take 2 and try to get Bont down to M4

Joshua Bankes · 04/01/2017 at 16:14
And also have Berry in my mid

Kev · 04/01/2017 at 17:48
Nice looking premo's. Try to scrape together the cash for a better F3

Joshua Bankes · 04/01/2017 at 20:42
im not really confident on any forward premos at the moment so thats why i havent gone for a quality f3

Krups · 04/01/2017 at 17:18
Maybe your 2/4 FWD lineup is off balance a little? Maybe one more non rookie player at F3?
Like the ryder back up for sandi

Liam · 04/01/2017 at 20:07
Yeah is a bit light, lots of good rookies in the forward line so feel liek they could do a role until I work out who I want in my forward line as there is not many options.

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 13:49
It seems most people who are going with sandi in Ruck are also playing Ryder in Forwards for cover.
Not sure whether two mid-pricers make a premium.

Liam · 05/01/2017 at 17:55
I think Ryder will do enough to be top 10 in forward and Sandi if fit can easy average 95 plus and acts as a great stepping stone to Goldy/Grundy.

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 19:00
Is Lobbe still playing for Port? or did they get rid of him?

Liam · 05/01/2017 at 19:14
Still playing but Ryder will be number 1 ruck.

Jib Jib · 06/01/2017 at 10:24
True but if your running Sandi at R2 then you must have some ruck cover at F3/4. Don't think Ryder is the answer though, too much $$$ for a burnman. Better value a Boyd, or Nankervis IMO.

Krups · 04/01/2017 at 16:45
Reckon the FWD line is waaaayyyy too light on mate

Liam · 04/01/2017 at 16:46
Got the same structure in defence with the 5 premos, but in saying that I would maybe downgrade one of them as well one of Selwood or Swallow to get a few more premos in your fwd line.

Kev · 04/01/2017 at 17:50
Nice, Adam. Reckon you'll be caught short with cash generation though

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 13:51
there is alot of tooth length in defence

Ryan · 12/01/2017 at 19:56
I like your idea. Not sure but didnt the overall Supercoach winner have the same structure with his team last year but did the same with his backline…

Liam · 04/01/2017 at 16:47
Would downgrade a few of your expensive premos and upgrade Murphy and/or Martin to uber premiums.

Krups · 04/01/2017 at 17:09
thanks bloke. Which premos should i downgrade?

Liam · 04/01/2017 at 20:14
Jesus not premos rookies.
Would go
Taranto > Myers
Petrevski-seton > Powell-Pepper
McGrath > Stewart
Martin > Gawn.
Would also have Hampton over Scrimshaw.

Krups · 04/01/2017 at 20:34
Lol no worries. What about Newman also as rookie in backline

Liam · 04/01/2017 at 20:52
Yeah he is a great option as well.

Kimmyd · 20/01/2017 at 22:03
Also Simpson, docherty and jj all have round 11 byes and you also have Dahl and macrame also in fwd line that's a lot of premo keepers out already in round 11 keep that in mind in you are trying to win overall. Range has round 12 bye and Heath shaw round 13 just a few other options for you.

Kimmyd · 20/01/2017 at 22:06
Heeney also has found 11 bye I just realised which is why I'm not starting with him. So you don't want 3 Feds and 3 defender premises out in the same round, I would change 2-3 of them if I were you.

Matt · 04/01/2017 at 17:38
Like it, but not sure about Caddy & Beams, who has admitted his knee will forever be cooked?

Luskin Star · 04/01/2017 at 18:31
Thats big news on beams Matt. Where did you hear that. Not doubting you just super interested in checking out the story. I have him in my side this time of year, every year and have to drop him before the start. Was hoping this year would be diff.

wombatsfc · 05/01/2017 at 10:21
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-21/beams-winni…

Matt · 05/01/2017 at 15:13
in the article below — > "i'm going to have this problem for the rest of my career… still going to have some battles." Doesn't sound promising for me, unfortunately, A.K.A. Cooney 09' onwards.

Kev · 04/01/2017 at 17:56
God, Fyfe, Beams, Murphy, Swallow… Missing a few heads, shoulders, knees, and toes in that lot!
Newman to tear the comp a new one if he gets a shot

I N Pieman · 04/01/2017 at 18:14
Hoping 1-2 of those boys is a keeper Kev. I agree on Newman Kev. Named round 1 he's a must

Luskin Star · 04/01/2017 at 18:38
Given your fondness for picks 30- 80 i have surprised to see McGraph and Luggage get a birth. You must have big opinion of both

I N Pieman · 04/01/2017 at 19:53
Massive opinion Luskin. I'll reveal why in due course. It's isually picks 18-40 I'm fond of

Luskin Star · 04/01/2017 at 22:48
Never was good with numbers. I'll look forward to your articles on the big 2 rookies. Dont have them in my side but you have been known to infuence my opinion

I N Pieman · 04/01/2017 at 23:09
I've got a couple of crackers coming up

TRIGGER HAPPY · 05/01/2017 at 12:19
Mate that is a kenny rogers team right there.
Laird, adams and to a lesser extent jj in the back line hopefully they all hold up
Gaz (huge pod for you there), fyfe, beams, murph and swallow – played about 10 games between them last year
Sandi – hard to pass up his value
heeney #1 fwd!, ryder and bennell
Wow if that comes off pure genius, but for mine the cards are stacked against you.
lots of water but ….

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 12:25
That won't be my round 1 team trigger. No way in a millions years. Just playing around ATM

The German · 05/01/2017 at 16:20
Like a few things in Pieman's team. Solid backline. Some real PODS, but as stated you'll change these 1000 times as preseason starts and roles develop. Love the selections in the Mids, taking a risk, but that's what the game is about. Murph is very good value if he is fit. Same with Swallow, I am keen on S Selwood myself over Swallow.
Heeney……choo choo jump aboard. Hopefully will get mid minutes.

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 16:32
Cheers German. If s Selwood is not tagging them he's real value. The question is what is his role

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 14:02
who is The luggage?

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 14:04
which Smith is that in the forward line?

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 14:49
Hugh Mcluggae & that's Tim smith for the Dee's

fatboyfat7 · 05/01/2017 at 20:00
Have Scheer, SPP and Graham myself sitting on the pine. All in all I really have a similar midfield but lackly a mid/fwd DPP… Pickett may have to get a spot instead of one of those boys, maybe even instead of Myers….

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 12:01
Like the Fiorini pick Tim. Going to be a gun

Tim · 05/01/2017 at 12:14
a lot of people are telling to go with swallow but look at Fiorini 2 games 46,125 i know his first game isn't that impressive but his 2nd game shows there is value there and with o'meara and prestia gone who is going to step up? swallow, miller, fiorini?

AMAC · 06/01/2017 at 21:20
Mate Ahern's got a busted knee. no chance to play 2017

Kev · 05/01/2017 at 08:01
Mids look a bit thin, Stevo

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 12:09
Think about putting Adams in defence. If he averages 105 its only fair for a mid but its great for a defender

TOMAHAWK · 07/01/2017 at 12:46
Is Nankervis a GUN or a ROOKIE?

Stevo Rivo · 09/01/2017 at 20:58
Neither, a DPP option though have since opted for Ryder.

Kev · 05/01/2017 at 08:06
Love your mids, hedski. Worried about Bob Murphy a bit. 34 and coming back from a knee.

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 09:49
Don't mind it at all Hedski. But I'm with Kev here I'm a bit worried about old Bob

hedski · 05/01/2017 at 09:58
Thanks lads, yeah Bobs a worry but could slash a rook or two and upgrade him a bit I'll suss it out. Cheers.

fatboyfat7 · 05/01/2017 at 20:04
Nice to see someone else line up with Bernie in the defense… I'm EXTREMELY surprised he's not featuring in more teams….

hedski · 05/01/2017 at 21:00
Yeah I reckon he'll go well in an improving demons outfit fatty, tooth length not that long yet, cheers.
(Have slotted Hooker in for Bob ATM, might even slash Doch and up Hooker a bit)

AMAC · 06/01/2017 at 21:32
Hurley ahead of Hooker by the length of the straight

hedski · 06/01/2017 at 22:57
Yeah have Heppell and Myers and Ryder ATM don't wanna over load on the peptides

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 13:47
3 sub 60 scores in his last 5 games, reckon the tooth length might be catchin up with him??

hedski · 07/01/2017 at 14:01
Nice one Moustasch didn't see that, food for thought

Kev · 05/01/2017 at 08:08
Otten is not best 22.

@t_woof · 07/01/2017 at 02:07
Like the Lloyd selection Beastiano!

jockreynolds · 07/01/2017 at 17:21
staggered more haven't picked Tommy Mitchell Jacob! I'll have him.

Billy · 04/01/2017 at 19:06
To big of a risk

Gaveday · 04/01/2017 at 19:12
Omeara ? Locked in.

jockreynolds · 04/01/2017 at 20:11
Expected more JOM in teams as well lads!

Harvey · 04/01/2017 at 21:07
Swallow looking like the better option. Previously had JOM but his injury history keeps me worried.

Tim · 05/01/2017 at 12:25
Yeah a lot of people are staying clear of JOM only because of the history of his injury more commonly seen in NFL the average amount of games played coming back from an injury like that is 45 but that was between 1994-2004

Kev · 04/01/2017 at 20:17
Lacks some star power, gaveday. No Danger, Pendles, Hanners/JPK. Backline needs Shaw or Doc at D1

Gaveday · 04/01/2017 at 21:12
The stars will come when the Rockies emerge – however my midfield is locked

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 08:19
Id consider moving Bennell to the fwds. If he scores 105 its an ok score for a mid but a great score for a fwd.

AMAC · 06/01/2017 at 21:56
Bennell did his calf (again) in training. (fact.)
Bennell was out with Yarran. (Rumour I just made up! 😉 )

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 11:30
Think Beams is M6 at best. Personally think having all three of Heeney, Wingard and Ryder in your forward line is a huge risk. Would suggest trying to get one more premium mid in there at the expense of one or more of these three

Steeeve · 06/01/2017 at 15:20
Hoping there is money to be made in the mids.
The forward line is a mess but I like Wingard and Ryder. Wingard has averaged 110 then 890 then 100 then 80. Surely he lifts again this year. Ryder can finish up as F7 ruck cover. And think Heeney will be the NUMBER ONE FORWARD.

Morrow · 10/01/2017 at 12:36
I like your team for being different mate but reckon you'll be doing lots of sideways trading when the season begins.
Will Hibberd/May/Keefe/Heppell/Ross/Murphy/Hrovat all be top 8 in their respective areas? or are they cash generation selections? IF they are neither I don't think they warrant a spot in your team! Maybe one or two of them but think you've got too many "maybe" breakout contenders.
Good luck for the season.

jockreynolds · 04/01/2017 at 20:13
There's a few too many question marks around him mate. A very big chance that he's lost his desire which is understandable

Scouser · 05/01/2017 at 09:58
Hey Jock, conversely do you think that he might also have a burning desire to set the record straight in a swansong season?
Banned last season, handed his brownlow back amd captain of one of the biggest and proudest clubs in the land who will need to work hard to remove that dark dank smear of their guernseys. I'm thinking he may have more to prove than anyone and could come out of the blocks on fire, can't see him sustaining it if he does but could offer a very nice step up to a ultra-premo early on.
Personally I feel he is too much of a Clubman to line up round 1 if his heart or head wasn't in it (handing back his chas shows this to me) so is in my thoughts currently and will watch keenly during nab as significant value there in early scores and $$ to ignore.

jockreynolds · 05/01/2017 at 10:24
Scouser – I've been around the block too many times to not pay significant heed to and of your opinions mate. It is bloody fantastic to see you in here and raise a good point. He is a proud man and a man of character there's no arguments there. The possibility of using him as a potential stepping stone to a premo is interesting. I'll be leaving him alone at this stage but you've got me thinking you brilliant beautiful bastard

Kev · 04/01/2017 at 22:58
Reckon you need R/F to cover Sandi, Trig.
Seen Hampton a lot. Don't see where he fits at the Crows. Plenty of competition for his position.

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 08:26
Dont agree on the ruck cover Kev. Dont like having someone in the team to cover for someone else. Its like setting a field in cricket to defend bad bowling. With you on Hampton though.

TRIGGER HAPPY · 05/01/2017 at 10:07
Cheers lusk.
hampton just thrown in there could be any number of players, could become McGrath or schareberg etc
Liked martins back end to the season, apparently fixed what was wrong in the pre season. Surely fagan lets him go in the guts by himself and a stinger took out their back up ruck for awhile, if rucking solo and not playing fwd I'm in.
Sandi I'm hoping makes it to rd 12 where the plan is to upgrade after gawns bye.

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 08:30
I wouldnt make that change mate. Gawn will be cheaper later plus Martin and Sandi are both capable of scoring 105 regulalrly. Martin was injury impacted last year.

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 10:20
No Pendles trigger! Hartlett is an interesting one, could be gold could burn you. I'm not sure about him

TRIGGER HAPPY · 05/01/2017 at 12:02
Cant afford them all INP need another 50-60k to go sloane – pendles.
danger lock, jpk figure he has 5-10 more points per game now tmitch gone, gray pod big fan, treloar just getting started, fyfe improving every day – value, sloane can go big but would love to change to pendles.
guess if a cheapo rook performs during preseason could dowwngrade a excy rook and upgrade to pendles.
Hartlett yeah not sure either but need to save some cash to afford all those mids calculated risk guess

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 17:57
Don't see any evidence of Titch stealing points from JPK… RGray maybe better as upgrade target after his bye (can see whether he is gonna crack the shits again this year).

The Bont · 04/01/2017 at 22:59
I think he's a huge shot mate , Nicholls will go down and they'll throw Witts through . As far as price might be a bit much for r3 , if you have sandi better off having Ryder in the fwd line to cover , if you've gone goldy and Gawn would go darcy Cameron from the swans at 117k .
Ohh and also my team
Back – docherty , heater, joey , Ryan , berry , Newman
Middle – danger , pendles , hanners , titchell , beams , swallow, Myers
Forward- Dahl , macrae , heeney , Bowes , black , eddy

The Bont · 05/01/2017 at 10:32
Ruck – Gawn and sauce Jacobs

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 17:53
More a case of being too shite.

Jib Jib · 05/01/2017 at 11:10
That's bold. Really going to leave your knackers swinging in the breeze if no decent rookie fwds step up

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 06:43
I think when preseason games begin you won't need me to convince you on McGrath & luggage. That's a very deep midfield Luskin!!! But I like it

Gaveday · 05/01/2017 at 10:13
Problem with Giles is Lycett is back after 3-4 rounds isn't he? Vardy could always get the nod too….

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 10:25
Think you'll find Lycett might be a little longer than that. Giles would have to do some big convincing to role the dice in him

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 12:36
Lycett expected back around time of byes. By then Giles will have had 3 games where he might score about 70 and 8 where 90 is possible. That will do me for less than 300k. Intend trading to Gawn, Goldy or Martin ( if he has recaptured 2015 form) at that stage.

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 14:49
Solid plan

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:02
They'd have to average 80 to justify the price, much safer ways to make cash that will also leave you cash to buy the top premos.
PS Hope Mccluggage is on a serious peptide program over summer, you look at his height/weight he is a string bean. Doubt he will line up r1.

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 11:13
No Fyfe? Neale is in for back surgery. Like the Mills selection

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 12:39
Mills is definately going under the radar. Swans have said he and Heeney likely to share Mitchell role.

Stewy_the_Swan · 05/01/2017 at 14:48
Very keen on both Mills and Heeney this year.

Tip Rat · 05/01/2017 at 22:23
When you say Mitchell roll are they talking about a tagging role ?

Stewy_the_Swan · 05/01/2017 at 14:48
Thanks. Didn't see that news on Neale

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 11:36
Reckon you could swap Kennedy for one more premium defender. I think the premo options in Defence are more solid than the forward line. Kennedy especially as a KPP in a team that might see supply reduced with no NicNat.

Stirlsy · 11/01/2017 at 02:07
W/Coast shark ok, and im expecting them to go ok even without NicNat, they were up and down last year with him, they will float around 5th most of the year, im in the west and see plenty of them JK avg 98 last year so he will be in the mix, early days yet plenty will change and i don't expect many will start with him. So he stays for now.

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 16:49
Zac Dawson isn't a midfielder!!!

David · 07/01/2017 at 10:56
I think he is referring to Jordan Dawson from Sydney.

Stirlsy · 11/01/2017 at 02:09
Ross'es secret weapon Derek, yes its the swan kid.

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 11:40
Reckon you could afford to bat deeper in Defence and lighter in the forward line. Personally would swap Doch and Heeney for two solid premos in Defence

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 12:43
Rocky is interesting. If Beams holds up his output could fall. In the games they have played together Rocky averages 100 only. Way down on what he does with no Beams.

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 15:06
Hmm that's a great insight. Thanks. Rocky was my Bruyn manoeuvre for 2017. His early draw made him a great VC/ Capt option with Danger. I actually had dreams of him hitting 700k and selling him off. Might put Selwood in instead. Great for the bye structure. Thanks again for the insight.

The German · 05/01/2017 at 16:24
Hartlett is interesting. Big POD, but will he score well? Is he going to be a top 10 by season end? I like your other three
top priced, perhaps try to bring one of those up to Doc or Shaw. Hard to do that though.
I've had enough of Rocky, burned too many trades getting rid of him on an injury, then back in when in form 10 weeks later, only to be injured yet again. Massive risk with this guy. Beams will hopefully hold up and will be one of the best steals this year. Unsure on Mitchell also, just unsure on his talent vs the Hawthorn way.
Rest is pretty solid. Good start, now to restructure about 1000 times before round 1!

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:07
That's like… 6 games.

Stirlsy · 11/01/2017 at 02:25
Be interesting to see what we (Pies) do with Shaz play him early or bring him on slowly, unsure on pies back 6 set up they look light on to me and Bucks wont have a job next year because of it.
You look light on with the fwds.

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 12:44
If you think luggage is good enough to be in starting lineup then you should move him to fwds. Whatever he scores will be of more value there.

Jib Jib · 05/01/2017 at 13:27
Just there for structure ATM.

JJB · 05/01/2017 at 16:42
Zerrett wont score as highly as he did in 2016 with all the Ess players back.

Jib Jib · 05/01/2017 at 18:53
Yeah I understand why people think that but I actually think he'll be just as good, hopefully even better. He's arguably Essendon's best mid and he's not going to lose his spot. This year he proved himself to be a hard ball getting, high disposal, high DE% tackle machine. If he was more of an outside player I'd be more concerned.

Jib Jib · 11/01/2017 at 12:35
Ok this quote today from Guy McKenna re the returning players concerns me:
“The beauty about the big tractors coming back in is those lighter fellas – Darcy, even ‘Junior’ Merrett … instead of putting his head in the trough all the time, he can get some ball on the outside and really hurt the opposition.”
Positional change for Zerrett coming up?

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 12:50
It was his 4th season and his average has gone up each year. Factory in also that there is nothing to suggest a role change and it doesnt smell like a fluke to me.

Jib Jib · 05/01/2017 at 13:29
Agree his score is no fluke and I expect him to be in the top 3 defenders this year, but I also agree with Keenbutclueless and I'll be waiting for his price to come down.

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 14:54
The fact is he is priced at a price he's never ever achieved. He's coming down. No doubt about it. That's when you strike

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:11
I am not afraid to say that I immediately discount any team proposing to start Doc. There's just no value there.

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 12:16
Think you should name your team "The Kennel ", with all those Bulldogs. Your Rd 11 Bye lineup will be a mess with 9 premos missing (assuming you count Hunter as a premo).

Tim · 05/01/2017 at 13:44
http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2016/12/30/steven-… http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2016/11/25/jack-vi…
Use these to make your decision about those 2 players, I would wait to see on Steele's role within in the Saints before selecting him

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:13
Sorry I fell of my seat when you typod "in place of Fyfe", which clearly no same person would say.

Holty · 05/01/2017 at 13:03
Ignore that, just found it.

jockreynolds · 07/01/2017 at 18:42
Hope you're Higginating away Holty 😉

Tim · 05/01/2017 at 13:17
Sandy and Ryder may need an upgrade, heeney, beams are locks

Danners · 06/01/2017 at 07:56
Solid Holey. Probably would consider Ainsworth as a forward since you already have a DPP in Bolton in your midfield. Brodie could be a better option still early days though.

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 16:12
A very different looking team! I think what it is missing is Captain options. I was strong on Rockliff also, but received some good advice re his average when Beams plays. See above. Basically leaves you with Fyfe.

Matt Robison · 05/01/2017 at 16:22
Was thinking Treloar as Captain… starting to become more consistent with only 6 scores under 100+ last year and a season low of 73. Coming into his prime. I initially had Patty Cripps in place of Rockliff prior to the back injury.

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:15
Was not good advice due to being based on very low number of games, not to mention whether either of them were carrying injuries.

jockreynolds · 07/01/2017 at 18:57
Love the POD team Keen! Midfield especially – LOVE the thing mate.

Stirlsy · 11/01/2017 at 02:38
yep that team is way out of the norm

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 16:14
I'm in the Touk Miller is a trap camp. Maybe cos I got burned by Lonergan last year. Other than that, really solid.

The German · 05/01/2017 at 16:16
Yep, agree with you here. I guess these type of variable players will come and go by season start. We are really stuck with Mid type players in the forward line. Unless something pops up, may stick with him, though depending on preseason form and role more so.

I N Pieman · 05/01/2017 at 16:35
I'm also in the touk Miller is a trap camp. Pretty solid indeed German. I wrote on a piece for jock on SPP, have a read. He's not a bloke you want on the field. And no swallow? Interesting

The German · 06/01/2017 at 08:12
Yes, I think he's one of the guys that will be on the in/out of my team throughout the preseason. Looking for a good option in the price range that Miller has. Or less should that be.
Love your writeup on SPP. Will keep him on the bench for sure. I've also upgraded Pet-Set to Swallow. However, that leaves me with a risky four in the midfield; Beams, Fyfe, S Selwood and Swallow. I think Selwood and Fyfe should be ok, the other two are a risk due to injury.
Thanks for the feedback!

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 22:18
If miller gets a lot of mid time he is a great pick. Do t think he will though. Suns have Ablett, Barlow, Hanley, Swallow, Fiorini, Hall, rischitelli, lyons, lomergan and all tne rookies they grabbed.i think the only one there he will definately be higher in pecking order than is lonergan

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 22:26
Welcome to supercoach. Be warned it takes over your life. Think you want both in your team at the end of the year. So if you can afford both i would. If picking one would go for laird. He is going into yr5 while rance is going into yr9 so you would expect more improvement on previous year from laird.

Alferton · 06/01/2017 at 08:51
Thank you. Already has. Can't stop thinking supercoach.

Danners · 06/01/2017 at 07:53
I start with both last year and both should be fairly good options again this year. Can't really see them drop in average too much

Alferton · 06/01/2017 at 08:52
Thank you. Think i will go both.

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 18:28
Solid team. Only question is on the rookies- have you left enough room for some of the Premo rookies like McGrath and McCluggage? You are relying on the cheaper ones to get you through.

Woodman · 05/01/2017 at 18:41
That's a valid point. Ive only got $600 to spare so I will see how the rookies go in the NAB cup.

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 22:34
Generally like the team. Got issue with Tuohy. .A lot of people picking him on expectation that he will get Enright role but i dont think he is good enough to produce enright numbers.There are 2 Wingards. Depends which one turns up. If the good one does he is a steal

Danners · 06/01/2017 at 07:52
Nice start abs. Probably need a solid premo ruck. Giles and Sandilands probably aren't 100% reliable in my book. Simpson could be mid season upgrade so there is less risk with him. Otherwise nice team

jockreynolds · 07/01/2017 at 19:11
Welcome abs!! Great to see you getting amongst it mate.
LIKE: Some relative PODs in Tuohy, Ablett, JOM (noone picking him!), Giles i bloody love.
Like the way you're going about it mate – this is a unique team with great creds.

Keenbutclueless · 05/01/2017 at 19:23
I think there might be a few more forward rookies emerge. Riley Knight, Bowes, Turner – maybe even Matt White. So if you are gambling on Wingard because you think there is not enough rookies, you might be pleasantly surprised.
Midfield is gold. But I would suggest you reconsider Beams. If you do trust a rookie to replace Wingard, then Beams becomes another uber premium. Which would be consistent with your philosophy outlined.

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 20:14
Beams is there for now as insurance

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 22:47
You have to take the gamble on Beams, he is priced to avg 79. In his last 100 games he has scored more than that 87 times

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:22
Agree, he is the Libba of last year. His price alone almost picks him.
But, I went B Crouch last year instead of Libba, stuffed my start. Could Beams be another Crouch.
The more I think, the less likely to select.

Derek · 07/01/2017 at 00:35
Taken Beams out and put Docherty in. Extra rookie in Mids.
Wingard out and R Kight in

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:20
Points scoring capacity of team just plummeted. Reverse trade.

Danners · 06/01/2017 at 07:50
I do have my fears over Beams and Swallow as well, but they could easily make around $200k if they were to get injured later on. Hurley is a defence premo with some value. Nice looking team, I suppose rookies will come along in time

Steeeve · 06/01/2017 at 15:09
I'm thinking the backline is offering more certainty than other lines and so I am taking a different path. Set and forget down back — four premos in my starting team.
Who knows which forwards will end up being top six? Lock in Dahl, take a punt on two or maximum three others, load up on rookies.
I'm taking one more rookie than usual in the guts, as long as good rookie options abound. All the premo midfielders are priced right near their peaks I reckon. Value to be had if you're patient. Just hope you're not too far behind the pack by then.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:25
I did that last year, loaded up defence thinking there were no rookies. Struggled to get decent scores from them.

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:26
I kind of agree re: fwd vs def. Although we don't know who will be top, there is ridiculous value in fwd eg Dahl, Lids, Bennell, Roughy, Wingard, Heeney. In def there are a lot of guys in contention for top and not much value other than Hartlett.
In the end though I will max out on top rookies who are named r1, regardless of position, and the rest will fill itself in.

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:24
One of the best wisdoms I've heard Derick!
Look for Simpson/Shaw/Docherty all to drop…
My defence so far is an interesting one…. Adams, Williams, Tuohy and Murphy as D1-4… too many risks so far? perhaps. One will surely fall for Simpson as he is just like a fine wine, getting better with age. Ultra consistent.

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 20:20
I think those days are gone since the better rookies are now much higher priced.
Some of the gun rookies in the guts will be $170+ where rookies on other lines will be $120k

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 20:43
It is always a bit of a trade off between cash and points early on. Last year I got too far behind early.
7 does feel a bit too much, 6 uber premiums would be better.

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:25
I'm going down to 6 this year mate! You used to lose your best cash generating rookies but I agree those days are more limited now.. Load up on the high scoring promo's and get ahead of the pack with points and pick the right ones in defence/forward.

Logan · 05/01/2017 at 19:37
Perhaps the reason that the defence smashed the midfield by 1000 was because Fyfe had played just 5 games? Not a SuperCoach freak but seems logical.

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 20:24
We only need a starting team for now, obviously I will improve my defence once cows have fattened and the overpriced defence premiums have fallen.
Hopefully early points lost in defence will be picked up elsewhere.

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 18:29
They also have about 1000 years more of age. Risky times to pay full price for Simpson, Shaw and Boyd. Then you have Doc who has exactly one good season under the belt, plenty of others who have failed to follow up similar.

AMAC · 06/01/2017 at 22:27
nice strategy and should finish around 10,000th.
16 trades without injury assuming 200k growth of each rookie = highly unlikely.
Far too benign to win imo. Nice league winning system though!
By the way I would love to hear your thoughts on Marchbank? what do Carlton expect this year from him?
thanks

Boltons Blues · 07/01/2017 at 20:41
i finished 3k with the same opening strategy last year, nice opinion though.
you can find all your Marchbank details on http://www.google.com
take it easy 🙂

wombatsfc · 07/01/2017 at 21:56
I see 11 keepers bolts. I don't understand AMAC's comment on 16 trades (I get 30) and not being top 10,000, at least 3 of your rookies will ave 70 over the first 6 weeks and 2 of them will ave more than 80. Giles Sandi combo is probably a bit weak I hear Kruez has been ripping it up at CHF if it's true he'd be a nice POD

Derek · 05/01/2017 at 21:36
TBC? Is he still playing

David · 05/01/2017 at 21:45
$117k….should get a game or three….might make a small amount of money….and loophole if he doesn't.

Jib Jib · 05/01/2017 at 23:19
TBC, isn't he $305k?

David · 05/01/2017 at 21:39
For some reason on the program i'm using to generate this team I can't pick Dahl as a fwd….would consider him over Macrae…..and M7/8 open to change if form of JOM D Swallow warrants or move Mccluggage onto the field and use money elsewhere….all very early

Liam · 05/01/2017 at 22:00
FanFooty by any chance ?
If so some of the prices are completely off, would check the real ones.

David · 05/01/2017 at 22:07
wow….your right…The Higginator has TBC at 330k I think….not quite such a bargain

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 23:03
His price is currently 305100.

Luskin Star · 05/01/2017 at 23:01
I think tne big difference in strategy is as a result of the scoring systems. SC rewards impact not just stats. You could get 50 possesions and i could get just 25 but i might outscore you because i won more contested ball and didnt squander if wheras your posessions were uncontested and mostly you kicked it to the other team.Study the scoring and you will soon catch on to the type of player you want.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:30
Rioli has only ever had more than 20 touches twice. Both times he had 21 disposals he scored 145sc.

Danners · 06/01/2017 at 07:43
Nice start Jambo, tooth length maybe the problem. Simpson (probably out do himself again), Montagna, Sandilands could pay off though. Maybe better options than Fiorini though like Swallow maybe Jaeger bomb. Otherwise nice start

Jambo · 06/01/2017 at 23:40
Jaeger bomb is more likely to blow up in our faces. I hope to be proven wrong though.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:31
I'll be keeping close eye on Knight

Mac · 06/01/2017 at 10:38
Coniglio! Love him as a selection. Will not be in many teams.

Keenbutclueless · 06/01/2017 at 09:57
I think that Heppell at M4 is a little light. Really think that M4 should be someone who is guaranteed top 10 at year end. Not sure Heppell will be.
Two things to consider;
Downgrade Docherty to a 520k premo and upgrade Heppell to a uber premo, hoping to buy Docherty cheaper later
Or, downgrade Gunston and Wingard to rookies and bring in a uber Mid

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:35
I agree on Heppell. Was in my initial team, but not sure he is top 8 midfielder, even without missing a year.
Pay the price and go Uber

Kyle · 07/01/2017 at 00:13
Don't go near gunstan. Ceiling not very high and when you need him he's not there.

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:28
I agree Heppell at M4 is light as..
Docherty over priced and only one good season in his belt.
Love Grundy,
Too much risk not enough reward on offer with Macrae, Gunston and Wingard.

Northernsoul74 · 06/01/2017 at 10:23
A lot seem to be picking Gawn or Goldy but not both. A lot of Sandi lovers.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:36
JOM and Swallow? Really?

Kyle · 07/01/2017 at 00:14
I'm going Gawn and goldy. Sandi won't hold up. Goldygawn will be top 3 ruckmen come season end.

Derek · 08/01/2017 at 20:48
Sandi is too much value to ignore

Keenbutclueless · 06/01/2017 at 10:56
rock solid team. Only weakness seems to be your on field rookies in the forward line. That seems a little thin. Rest is awesome

Mac · 06/01/2017 at 11:00
Thanks for the feedback Keenbutclueless, I as most of us are in the dark regarding rookies at this point in time. They are only place holders, and will most likely only be selected when the teams are announced for the first round of games. NAB challenge will be when we can unearth the rookie options who are a chance to line up round 1 for their respective sides.
Cheers Mac

I N Pieman · 06/01/2017 at 12:09
Nice team Mac. I think you've got a grasp of the relevant rookies at this point. They will of course change over the preseason.

Mac · 06/01/2017 at 12:32
Cheers Pieman, as I said rookies will change frequently. I like the look of your team above also.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:38
Very solid team.

Logan · 06/01/2017 at 11:49
Side note: One of the rookies in defence is McGrath and I have 20 k remaining. Thoughts much appreciated.

Mac · 06/01/2017 at 12:02
Is Bennell still injured? Knew he was going overseas for surgery?

Logan · 06/01/2017 at 12:06
They say that he should be ready for the pre season games.

Mac · 06/01/2017 at 12:11
Solid team, I personally don't like Hibberd. Don't think he will be one of the top 10 defenders come season end so you have to burn a trade to get rid of him.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:41
I think the top 10 defenders are pretty clear cut. Hibberd not one of them

fatboyfat7 · 06/01/2017 at 12:50
Who's Stevens?

fatboyfat7 · 06/01/2017 at 12:51
Apologies, didn't realise he was DPP!

Freddy · 06/01/2017 at 13:13
Yeah, I was pretty happy when I found it. I reckon he's going to be huge for St Kilda in 2017

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:43
There are 2 Stevens from Saints. Are you thinking of the right one?

Freddy · 08/01/2017 at 02:59
My team is already different to this. I can't stop shifting and changing! I guess I'll have a better idea after the Community series pending round 1 selections.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:45
I'm considering NO LOBBE this year

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 20:44
Have to get the funds for Zac Dawson somehow

Derek · 08/01/2017 at 20:52
i might be able to get him a bit cheaper later in year

Steeeve · 08/01/2017 at 15:13
Foolish Derek

Graham · 08/01/2017 at 10:33
Team A by far Steeeve.
You bat 4 deep in defence, 7 deep in mids in both teams.
Only sacrifice is in the fwds where you've added Wingard. I think you could make those points up later in the season when the fwd premos show themselves.

Aaron · 06/01/2017 at 17:29
I think too many people (myself included) have been burned one time too many with Rockliffs durability issues. At 600K odd its hard to choose a player i cant trust to stay on the park. Personally ill be looking at him as an upgrade target provided he looks fit.

Keenbutclueless · 06/01/2017 at 19:23
I had Rocky in. Received some good advice that he averages less than 100 when Beams is playing. So Beams return might diminish Rocky's scoring. I also looked back at last two years.
2015
Rd1. 71
Rd2. Out
Rd3. Out
Rd4. 57
Rd5. 0 (yes, was injured)
Rd6. 97
Rd7. 91
Then came good
2016
Rd1. 89
Rd2. 48
Rd3. Out
Rd4. Out
Rd5. 83
Rd6. 117
Rd7. 41 injured
Back in Rd11
So even though they look like they might have a friendly draw early, the Beams factor and his slow starts for the last two years have changed my mind

Butcher of the ball · 07/01/2017 at 03:05
If Rocky gets on top of his injury issues this off season he could really catch people off guard.
Looks to a slimmed down a touch more, maybe help those skinny legs?
Nearly no one will start him but the payoff of a fit Rocky as a pod could be greater than that of Fyfe or Ablett.
Watching the Lions very closely this preseason.
IIRC Rocky's stats alongside Beams (though a small sample) and pretty good, i remember looking into that last year or something.

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 20:46
Rocky actually looks in the shape of his life, ie not fat. Am watching with some interest too, but at 600k and already starting enough VC/C options I will probably wait til after his bye.

Luskin Star · 08/01/2017 at 19:18
You are right it is only a small sample (9games) but when rocky and beamsplay together rockys average is only 100. Beams averages 113 in those games.

Kev · 07/01/2017 at 11:23
I'd give Higgins the flick for a good D4, plenty of options this year.

Fisha · 07/01/2017 at 15:23
Cheers Kev, looking forward to getting stuck into the season

AMAC · 06/01/2017 at 21:49
Not top 10 material and won't grow fatter than a rookie, therefore has no relevance imo.

hedski · 06/01/2017 at 23:00
Agree with AMAC but like the way he goes about it for the cattas

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:50
No.
I would consider the other two boom rookies from last year, Petracca and Hopper. Both are FWD, under $400k and will play midfield.

Luskin Star · 07/01/2017 at 23:38
I had him penciled in but then the prices came out. Nope.

Derek · 06/01/2017 at 23:53
I count 10 season long keepers.
Think you should set up with at least 12

Martin · 07/01/2017 at 00:03
Thanks I take that with some thought I try to do the guns and rookies structure

@t_woof · 07/01/2017 at 02:16
Shaw, Parker, and please yourself.

Liam · 07/01/2017 at 11:31
Shaw, Parker, McCrae.

Krups · 07/01/2017 at 16:37
Shaw
Bont ( Parker hurt his knee or something?)
Macca

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 20:54
If price matters, JJ. If not then Shaw.
Bont over Parker either way (Bont cheaper, should average similar to Parker, Parker has had post season surgery).
Macrae over NRoo either way (may go 105 next year as very young, NRoo a gun but risky with getting old).

Butcher of the ball · 07/01/2017 at 02:55
Agree.

Derek · 07/01/2017 at 15:29
What do you think about Mills. $420k

@t_woof · 07/01/2017 at 16:20
Good young player, though awkwardly priced for a 2nd year player.
Probably lands into that 75-85 average again. Not quite a keeper i would think.
Are you tossing up whether to take a punt on him?

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 20:56
Tipping JJ to average 100, therefore a decent amount underpriced (not to must have level tho, esp with inj tendency)

@t_woof · 07/01/2017 at 21:31
That's fair enough mate. The beauty of pre season, so many varied lineups and opinions.
Priced at 94.4, so i can't see a 5.6 bump as huge value. But if you believe he can play 20+ @ 100.0 then you have to back yourself and go with him for sure. Would think a 100 ave lands him in the top 5 defenders.
I've got nothing against him, just don't think there is much value in his price off the back of only 13 game 94 year. Grand Final performance no doubt fresh in plenty of people's minds.
On the contrary, i have Hodge in my early side. Which would disgust plenty.

Moustachio · 07/01/2017 at 20:58
Injured himself 3 times last season. Doubtful he is a top defender by total points at seasons end.
Treloar is right up there for contention for one of my limited midfield slots against the likes of Bont and Titch.

Kev · 07/01/2017 at 11:18
Nice looking setup, Nick. Don't mind the Lloyd selection down back.
Seen some very strong mids so far, do you think M5 will be deep enough? Not a fan of Ryder at R2

Luskin Star · 07/01/2017 at 23:33
Id move Mcgrath to defence..whatever he scores will be of more value there

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:34
Love the Williams selection (but keep it on the down low) 😉
I think there's better selections than Rance,. die hard Tiger supporter but he does have the shut down role a few games… Definitely missing Taylor Adams. Look into him, will be top 6 defender. Lock.
McGrath has to be swung into defence, even with the DPP can't take up a precious midfield rookie spot. You can sort out the swing trading during the season.
Riewoldt in the forward line. Rate it.
Good v.2 mate, good luck for the season!

Kev · 07/01/2017 at 16:26
Finding that balance will be key this year. Won't really have an idea of rookies until we get much closer to season start.

Luskin Star · 07/01/2017 at 23:32
Nothing wrong with that structure. Ive done something similar. In my case iwanted a 3rd premo in fwds but couldnt find one that i fancied. Alot of the rookies avaiable as fwds are likely to get time in mids as well so i wouldnt worry about them.

I N Pieman · 07/01/2017 at 17:11
Not sure how much value is in that price Adam. No chance of a top 10 defender. So he's not a keeper. I'd pick Andy McGrath who's about 30k less. Absolute JET

Luskin Star · 07/01/2017 at 23:27
Mckenzies job security is poor in my opinion

I N Pieman · 07/01/2017 at 17:16
Looks pretty good Harvey. Many trades will happen before the byes. So don't be too deterred by them. Looks like you've got a pretty sound knowledge of the rookies. Which is a highly valuable. Although I'd remove Taranto, he won't play a SC friendly role for GWS. If he even gets a game at all. I reckon he's trade bait at the end of the season

Harvey · 07/01/2017 at 17:33
Cheers mate.

Kev · 08/01/2017 at 09:36
Huge call, Pie. #2 pick just to keep him on the books for a year?

I N Pieman · 08/01/2017 at 11:35
How could they fit him into the best 22 Kev. He's surplus to needs

Keenbutclueless · 07/01/2017 at 18:28
Strong deep midfield! I really think you will be able to get Docherty cheaper, so I would save some money there. Reckon Roo is overs. His average was pushed (and therefore starting price was pushed up by that 200 point effort in Rd 23). If you look at both of those, maybe you get Swallow at M7, which I think would really round this off. But it is a rock solid team. Would understand why you wouldn't change it!

gator59 · 07/01/2017 at 18:34
Thanks Keen for your thoughts.. I will give a little tweek and see what we come up with.. Cheers mate

Paul · 07/01/2017 at 19:35
Sorry forgot Myers at D8.

Paul · 07/01/2017 at 19:37
Make that M8

Keenbutclueless · 07/01/2017 at 19:48
Nothing wrong with that team. Pretty sure you won't finish so low in 2017 starting with a team like that. Only small concern would be round 11 bye, with Dahlhaus, Heeney and Macrae all missing from your forward line. So maybe Macrae or Heeney for another premo defender.

Paul · 07/01/2017 at 20:03
Thanks Keen. Appreciate your feedback. Definitely a concern the rd11 bye. According to the higginator I have 12 outs. Cheers.

Luskin Star · 07/01/2017 at 23:22
12 outs gives you 18 starters. Going into rd 11 you will have 3 trades. Which gives you the chance to have only 9 outs and 21 starters. Remember only best 18 count.

fatboyfat7 · 07/01/2017 at 23:16
100% what he said ^^ . Have the same issue myself. R11 bye is tough up front. Caddy fits in nicely for me but not 100% sold on him….

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:36
Looks like a great draft team so far mate! Definitely will improve on the 43k rank, I leave you with one question:
what's the purpose of Heppell in your team? Will he be a top 8 mid or generate cash? If you answer no to either of those questions he shouldn't be in your team R1.
Good luck for the season!

fatboyfat7 · 07/01/2017 at 23:14
I'd like to see how you could get 16 premium players in your def, mids and rucks to only need to upgrade the forwards… You must be very confident of the fwd rookies to attempt a strategy with that.

Luskin Star · 07/01/2017 at 23:17
Id go for it. Id go the whole hog though because i seriuosly dont think roughy will be money eell spent.

Kev · 08/01/2017 at 09:28
Nothing wrong with trying it to see how it looks, Adam!

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:39
Looks like a good draft so far mate, probably spending too much coin in defence having both Simpson/Shaw,.. I'd rather go one or the other, heaps of value in defence to save an extra $70k and you can wait till these boys string three games together and go sub $500k (will happen).
McGrath/Mcluggage/Ainsworth/Bowes are too expensive to all be in the same team, you're losing the extra $70k profit you'll make off the cheaper cash cows in the season and I guarantee there will be rookies $50k less that will average more. But you have the opportunity to trade them down when they arrive before R1.
Good luck champ!

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:41
Decent draft mate, not sure about Hartlett.. is he a top 8 defender end of 2017?
Sam Jacobs back to his best?
Rate the forwardd line but reckon you're one premo too deep and no DPP swing. What happens if Sandi goes down R5? Who do you trade him too?
Good luck for the season boss

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 22:44
One of the better teams I've seen mate!
Defence in my opinion is probably one too deep, rather find an extra $50k and get another premo in the mid?
Everyone's on the Docherty train after one good season, some times it's the players you don't pick that are the POD's.
In saying that, Gray as a POD is genius and I wouldn't even be posting that in your team posts (seriously good POD)
Petracca finishing as a top 8 forward end of 2017? What's his purpose in the team? Not for mine.
Again, if Sandy goes down in R5, what do you do? What ruck man do you trade in at around $305k? Need a DPP swing.
Petracca for Ryder (or Boyd as a POD).
good luck for 2017.

Morrow · 10/01/2017 at 01:04
Symmo's a great pick mate, start him almost every year but $570k is bloody steep as.. think about who you can get in the mid for it, save $50k and lock in Adams.
JPK – Great.
Jelwood, is he still a top 8 mid? reckon there's better pods.
No Beams? Price sells himself.
Caddy is an interesting selection, I'd be looking elsewhere. Won't be a top 8 forward (honesty hurts some times)
Tommy Boyd, lock that bloke in.
Hope that helps, good luck in 2017.

Benchwarmers · 10/01/2017 at 08:01
Thanks mate, always a tough one re rolling the dice on the injury discounts boys like Beams, Adams, Murphy and even the "Shoulders of God".
Hope all your picks come off mate, the J Bomb a big call, can see where you're coming from re the blokes now gone from the Hawks, want to see him play a couple pre-season games.

Morrow · 10/01/2017 at 12:24
yeah call me crazy, but I'm running with a few roll of the dices at the moment. My team and analysis is posted below! Still struggling to go past Ablett if his ownership is so low…
Definitely want to see the J Bomb play a few pre-season games but he is value!

hedski · 09/01/2017 at 20:33
Missing a mid Cap A ?

Captain Awesome · 10/01/2017 at 06:10
Rockliff

Morrow · 10/01/2017 at 01:06
Not going batshit crazy at all mate! Reckon it's pretty safe compared to my V1.
Looks solid as, love the weak forward line… definitely the way to go this year if the rooks get named R1.
Unsure if Hurley's gonna be a top 8 defender,.. better value out there mate! Murphy? 34/ACL but consistent jet at $367k. Ages like a fine wine.
Treloar? Not so sure about either, rather have Pendles there. Hannebery great early pick.
Good luck for 2017.

Morrow · 09/01/2017 at 23:14
Edit for defence, it's TUOHY not Docherty (stay away from that trap).

Derek · 10/01/2017 at 16:16
I like your team alot, however…
Not sure about Williams. GWS in for a big year, ball will be in forward line more than defense, will have Heater to contend with.
Tuohy is a good shout. I personally like the chance of Mills getting midfield time for about the same price, will think about Tuohy now, good comments.
Bob is too big risk for me. Pass but i would love to see him do well.
Dusty doesn't match it with the big boys in the midfield. You can get Gray, Sloane, The Bont, Priddis all for the same price as Dusty.
If Roughy is right for round 1, he is locked in. Not sure he will be ready.
I like Knight alot more than Bowes.
good luck

Morrow · 10/01/2017 at 20:59
Cheers Derek,
I read an unreal article about Z.Williams,.. unable to find it again though? For now I'll track his preseason and see how he goes. I think GWS will go well, but I don't believe they'll go as well as what everyone thinks they will.
Tuohy is locked and loaded for mine, barring form.
Murphy's last five year averages: 89, 84, 99, 88, 91, 103. I know he's a huge risk but he's just value, if he comes through he's a cheap as D6. Prior to last year only misses 1-2 games a season.
I'm liking Dusty as a POD. Contract year, primed to explode I reckon… I'll take him with less than 5% ownership any day.
Gray will sneak in though, crazy if I don't pick Danger and pick him up when he drops?
What's the info on Knight?
Cheers mate.

Luskin Star · 14/01/2017 at 19:07
Dont agree with some of your selections but cant fault the logic except Tuohy, I reckon Thurlow might get the rebou d role.

wombatsfc · 15/01/2017 at 00:25
Geez Morrow you seem pretty certain about your team mate. Why did you post it? You've attempted to justify your every selection and derided every alternative. Sort of looks like you'd like to debate the merits of your selections so I'll give it a go.
Defense. You had 1 reliable keeper and a potential top 10 in D until you swapped Docherty for Tuohy then you justified it with fairytale about blokes who get traded increasing their average, your calculator must have a virus.
Adams is a definite 3-week injury in first 6-weeks, if he makes round 1, Bob will play until bye averaging mid 70's and then retire, McGrath, if he plays before round 14, will make less cash than any other defensive rookie and score less than any other D5. You require 4 more premos for a full premo defense. If everybody from your D4 down averages 80 you will only use 7 trades for those upgrades.
Your midfield isn't too bad except JOM wont play before easter and Beams hasn't completed a full training session for 3-years.
Gawn & Sandi is OK but risky unless you have planned to cover the potential round five 2-week injury to Sandi that turns into a 5-week injury then a 9-week injury
Your F1 is good but your F2 is a stepping stone and the rest of your forwards except roughy will need to be upgraded. Pickett and eddy are wise selections but Black and Bowes are wasted cash Bowes is a boy and, in 6-years at a club with the 3rd worst fwd line in the AFL Black's best is an ave of 76, the other 5 in descending order 58, 50,42 and 33 cash him in before round 1 for somebody who'll get a game maybe upgrade him to Troy Menzel his 3-year best is only 51 but he was traded to another club and your research says he'll star, oh wait that was last year and he didn't get a game.

Morrow · 16/01/2017 at 22:21
Nothing wrong with a bit of detail behind the selections to your team, I'm all for debating selections and criticism around players.
Look up the article about players getting traded and the increase in their average the following season, it was posted on Jock Reynolds itself in an extensive article about two pre-seasons ago.
Adams may be injury prone but he offers a midfield selection in defence until then, if he can string 8 games together so be it, but he'll be smashing out tonnes until then. All other defence premo's are too high, by that time I can swap him for Simpson/Docherty and probably make coin.
Why will Bob average 70? Nothing to say he can't average the 90+ he has done the past five years.. ageing and coming back from injury but still under valued and a champion.
I'm light on in defence but by doing so I can have an increased output in my mids and forward.
Sandi's just a stepping stone.. I reckon he's gonna be in good knick and an easy upgrade target to the best ruckmen out of Goldy/Sauce etc around the byes.
No reason why Heeney can't be a top 10 forward this year, Longmire himself has said he'll spend heaps of time in the guts.
I'm not focusing too much on the rookies, their just in there at the moment until the true ones named R1 show their value.
All selections are based on some research, I'll be keeping an eye on most of the eyebrow raising ones to see how they track in the pre-season and to some extent, the NAB cup.
Cheers for the feedback Wombat and Luskin!

Morrow · 16/01/2017 at 22:24
Updated squad:
Adams, Tuohy, Murphy, McGrath, Scharenberg, Ryan (Berry, Stewart)
Danger, Pendles, Gaz, Dusty, Fyfe, Beams, Ainsworth, Myers (Brodie, Powell-Pepper, Graham)
Gawn, Sandi (Strandica)
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, Roughy, Boyd, Pickett (Black, Eddy)
Needed the DPP swing in the Ruck/FWD, happy going light as in defence at the moment and risking it til these defence premo's drop.

Liam · 10/01/2017 at 18:25
Parker and Gray are big PODs. I like Parker but not sure on Gray, think there is better options.

Derek · 10/01/2017 at 21:44
Just looking st structure. Ablett and Parker could easily be JPK and Hanners. Gray could be The Bont or Sloane.

Morrow · 10/01/2017 at 21:08
Decent V2 mate!
Not sure on JJ personally, reckon there's heaps of hype since the GF and he's only really stringed one decent season together. Played 13, 11, 13, 20 and 13 games in the last five years? No thanks.
Mills for me simply just falls under the category of 'second year blues'. Happened before, will happen again. Pass for mine!
I'm the opposite to Liam. Love the Gray POD but don't rate Parker as a selection, I'd rather go JPK/Hanners.
Beams is a lock.
Any DPP swing for Sandi or just running the risk?

Derek · 10/01/2017 at 21:50
I started the pre season with a guns and rookies team in mind, somehow there are some midpricers in there, might have too many.
Thinking that I'm in the No Beams camp.

jrfc · 12/01/2017 at 14:57
110% agree, beams not worth the risk, and priced that you will have to make 3 trades to turn into premo if he fails
i personally like the jj pick, proven super elite scorer and priced high enough to use one trade to replace god forbid, he goes down
but any of this could change depending on strategy, everyone has their own, mine is like your first thought, strictly guns and rookies so beams doesnt fit into my strategy

Derek · 12/01/2017 at 15:52
DEF: Docherty, Adams, JJ, McGrath, Berry, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
MID: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Ablett, Parker, Gray, Fyfe, Myer, Powell-Pepper (Barrell, Hibberd, Jarman)
RUC: Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Knight, Black (Bolton, Eddy)

Luskin Star · 14/01/2017 at 19:14
If beams plays you wont need to upgrade him so i assume you are talking about him being injured and yes if it happens early in season you will need 3 trades. If you go pure guns and rookies you also often fall into that situation. Reckon he is worth the risk

Liam · 14/01/2017 at 19:50
Personally I won't be going in with him because of two reasons.
1. Durability- don't think he will play all of the year.
2. Points- I think that if he plays the year he will only score around 100pts which is isn't enough to be a keeper in the mids
(refer to Libba).

Derek · 11/01/2017 at 13:30
my last version i've taken out JJ and thinking about Z Williams.

MoustachioSC · 11/01/2017 at 02:17
I would run Beams, and Myers is a lock. Handy to have guys on the field who average high enough that you don't have to use 3 trades to bring in a big gun…

Derek · 11/01/2017 at 13:29
i'm not going with Beams. Not a keeper and won't make much cash. I went with B Crouch last year and it didn't go well. Will prefer to spend the same money on Ryder at F4. He could be a keeper plus gives me back-up for Sandi.

MoustachioSC · 11/01/2017 at 15:56
I demand that you withdraw your comparison of Beams and BCrouch :S

Derek · 11/01/2017 at 16:40
what about if i compare Beams with Libba 2016.

MoustachioSC · 12/01/2017 at 11:00
Better 🙂

Derek · 13/01/2017 at 10:08
was Libba a good pick last year? i didn't have him.

Derek · 11/01/2017 at 13:23
Hodge is very interesting

IDontLose · 12/01/2017 at 20:25
Yes, he is

Morrow · 11/01/2017 at 22:31
Decent V2 mate!
Not sure about running so deep into defence,.. Hurley and Kolo both going to be season long keepers? Not sure.
I think in the mids you've almost went for mids that are too different,.. Selwood/Treloar/Bont/Heppell….. think one of them has to go for Danger/Pendles or one of the Sydney mids.. Not sure of Selwood/Treloar will be a top 10 mid, but Heppell definitely won't be.
Absolutely love your defence, not sure on the price you'll pay for CEY and will be better options with McCluggage (don't start him, already missing out on the extra $80k profit when you find that $120k rookie that will outscore him).
Good luck for the season.

Morrow · 11/01/2017 at 22:32
Maaaaaate, not bad at all. Do you see him increasing this year? Priced at $515k is awkward but huge POD. Love it.

t-mitch · 11/01/2017 at 23:30
yeah i do, i see him avg 105-110 which is a perfect m7-8 so set and forget pod

Derek · 13/01/2017 at 11:37
i don't see him in the top 10 midfielders.

T-Mitch · 13/01/2017 at 17:22
Exactly, if you did he would be in your side, this is what makes him a pod

Derek · 14/01/2017 at 00:17
Do YOU see him in the top 10 midfielders?
Starting team should only have two types. Keepers and money makers. No sure if he is either.

Morrow · 11/01/2017 at 22:41
I don't mind your defence mate. I rate Tuohy and Murphy over all three of those selections, bank the coin and back those lads in! Although as soon as I see Docherty as D1 I dismiss almost all team credibility. In five years has only managed above 13 games, once. ONCE and he's had literally one good season. You're paying a price for a player that has never even averaged that value of worth. Get him out… Simpson on the other hand, consistently been a jet for years.
Shallow in the forward line but that's like many teams this year, mine's looking very similar. I think I'm going one less premo in defence at the moment and one more in the forward line!
Good luck for the season.

jrsc · 11/01/2017 at 22:58
doc played every game last year missed only 2 games the year before, dont know who told you that 13 stat but its very wrong

t-mitch · 11/01/2017 at 23:25
when i pick my team i look at stats over the past 3 seasons, and these stats show that docherty highly warrants d1 status,
docherty has played 4 seasons so lets include that shall we,
debut year, played 13 games @52.8
2014, played 16 games @76.8
2015, played 19 games @87.7
2016, played 22 games @108.7
i only see positives here, increased games played every year since debut at the same tim as increasing his avg every year at an average of 18.6 points per year!!!
if hes not the number 1 def at the end of the year he will be top 3 easily
100% a d1 candidate

Luskin Star · 14/01/2017 at 20:24
You are spot on with Doc. Lots of people acting like last year was a fluke. None of them aire producing any thing to back that up. The argument seems to be that he had never avg 100+ before. This is flawed because the forst time anyone avg 100 they have done it before. Most do repeat it though.

tomsteam · 12/01/2017 at 23:30
I am thinking of going with shaw or Simpson for a bit cheaper, I will trade them in later! Expect docherty to drop at least 50k at some point in the season! Thanks for the tips mate! Last year was my first proper crack at SuperCoach and learnt a lot, ranked 2027 at the end of the day. Would love your take on my gaff Steven mid and if one needs do be a hanners, pendles premium or if the different take is worth the risk! And what you think of grundy and if sandi would be a good call instead? Cheers mate appreciate the comments

tomsteam · 12/01/2017 at 23:31
I am thinking of going with shaw or Simpson for a bit cheaper, I will trade them in later! Expect docherty to drop at least 50k at some point in the season! Thanks for the tips mate! Last year was my first proper crack at SuperCoach and learnt a lot, ranked 2027 at the end of the day. Would love your take on my gaff Steven mid and if one needs do be a hanners, pendles premium or if the different take is worth the risk! And what you think of grundy and if sandi would be a good call instead? Cheers mate appreciate the comments

Derek · 13/01/2017 at 10:13
Docherty to drop $50k during the year…….in the grand scheme of things is that worth the wait?
I would pay the price now.

T-mitch · 13/01/2017 at 10:31
100%

tomsteam · 13/01/2017 at 11:09
Thanks lads! Definitely take that on board!

wombatsfc · 14/01/2017 at 23:52
Dude this is a planet earth AFL forum, even I can't make sense of what you wrote.

Derek · 12/01/2017 at 15:56
Jack Stevens an interesting one. Considered him for a few minutes and then passed. what do you like about him?

tomsteam · 12/01/2017 at 23:26
Love that he's a big POD and wouldn't expect to see him in many teams, has massive scoring potential with 4 scores of 148+! Although I am re assessing having him and gaff to start with the season, would love a sure thing like pendles in the mid next to danger, any advise?

Luskin Star · 14/01/2017 at 20:29
Id flick gaff for pendles. Dont like Steven either but better than gaff

Derek · 15/01/2017 at 19:10
Burgoyne not a bad idea. Hawks light in the midfield. He just bit expensive. Hodge is cheaper but might get a few rests.

#EngineRoom · 15/01/2017 at 19:59
yeah, really not keen on Hodge this yr. General consensus was he should have retired last yr. Think Burgoyne will be their highest scoring defender this yr..

Derek · 17/01/2017 at 12:51
you left out Dangerfield. Pay the Price!

Tim Smith · 18/01/2017 at 02:00
yuck Touhy

Tim Smith · 18/01/2017 at 01:59
you dont think pendles, Treloar and adams is too many pies players till the byes? i need another premium mid and I've got pendles at the moment but dont want to many pies

Rainman · 18/01/2017 at 07:52
No mate.. 12 rounds of premium scores. Not gonna sabotage my team for 1 week