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RD11: The Heroes. The Villains. The Damned.

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Big Carl CoachKings Community

Like a jilted ex-lover, Tom Rockliff continues to seduce us as fantasy coaches.

He’s hurt us many times over the last two seasons, but we kept taking him back. Then he’d hurt us again. And again.

When it was good, boy was it good. He could produce monster ton after monster ton. It was pure bliss.

But the last time he hurt us, most of us said “never again”.

However, here he is, Community. Trying to lure us back in for another roll in the hay with a tantalising outing of 204 SC on Saturday!  Bloody 204!

You have to admire the swagger of the bloke, who predicted during the week he would go 180+ in his first game back despite not playing since Round 7.

Now, here we are, being tempted again. Here is a short list of pros and cons when considering picking up Rocky:

Pros

  • He’s bloody cheap (should be in the 500K range this week even after the double ton).
  • A proven SuperCoach gun (leading overall average in 2014 with 132 SC).
  • He has a massive ceiling (as evidence this week).
  • Loves being a one-man band and plays well in losing sides.

Cons

  • We are chasing points – he won’t crack the double ton every week.
  • Durability – the bloke is bloody injury prone.
  • Regularly misses games (has only played six matches this year, 16 in 2015 and 18 in 2014).
  • Prior history – has burnt many coaches on multiple occasions. Will he do it again? Possibly.

The revelry of CoachKings continued to produce the goods on the weekend as punters in pubs across the nation battled it out in both AFL and NRL formats. In AFL, Jakey Welsh out at the Tonsley Hotel did enough to secure the weekly prize with his score of 1091.  

The Heroes

Tom Rockliff (204 SC)

Had it a phenomenal 48 times. Nine tackles and a goal to cap it off. A goliath performance in a side that was beaten convincingly. Believe it or not, Rocky actually thrives on being the only decent mid in his side and battling against the odds. With Beams out for the rest of the season, will be an absolute steal at this price IF he can keep his body right. But, that is a big IF.

Josh Jenkins (172 SC)

There wouldn’t be many that have him. But a 170-odd is too hard to ignore. Helped by seven goals, big JJ made the most of the Crows’ dominance over an insipid Saints line up. His inconsistency and key position status mean he should almost certainly not be considered in the future in our teams, but an effort like this deserves to be recognised.

Joel Selwood (150 SC)

Produced one of the greatest last quarters in the history of SuperCoach. Selwood’s 74-point final term epic propelled him to an excellent score, as he went into beast mode for 12 touches, four tackles and a goal. Handsomely rewarded those who have stuck with him after a couple of sub-par performances.

Honourable mentions: Marcus Bontempelli (147 SC), Rory Sloane (139 SC), Daniel Wells (138 SC), Tom Mitchell (131 SC), Lachie Neale (138 SC), Zach Merrett (128 SC), Matty Boyd (128 SC), Scott Pendlebury (125 SC), Lachie Hunter (124 SC), Gary Ablett (121 SC).  

The Villains

Toby Greene (57 SC)

Many picked him thinking he would fill the void in the midfield left by Adam Treloar at the Giants. But it is now abundantly clear he will continue to play as a half forward only. Kicked three goals and was sitting on nearly 50 at quarter-time. So what the bloody hell happened the next three quarters, Toby? Is looking increasingly likely he will not be a top six forward come season’s end.

Aaron Hall (50 SC)

Hall’s case is almost as curious as Green’s. Was in absolute white-hot form at the start of the season. But coinciding with his team’s decline since then, he has dropped off significantly. Now it doesn’t even look like Rocket wants to play him in the bloody midfield anymore. Didn’t start in a centre bounce for the whole match. A significant concern.

Leigh Montagna (43 SC)

Like many of his team-mates, Lethal Leigh was not so lethal on Sunday as his side got absolutely bulldozered by the Crows. Age counts against him when considering as to whether he is a top six forward or not and scores like this are deeply concerning. Has a big ceiling and can big on his day, but needs to gain consistency if he is to prove a worthwhile selection in our forward lines.

Honourable mentions: Nic Naitanui (71 SC), Luke Dahlhaus (69 SC), Elliott Yeo (56 SC), Josh J Kennedy (49 SC), Nick Riewoldt (45 SC).  

The Redeemers

Sam Jacobs (150 SC)

The likable big man was once the best ruckman in the game a couple of years ago and he wound back the clock with a vintage performance on Sunday. Gave the Crows midfielders first use of the ball allowing them to rack up some big numbers and pump the ball up forward, where Josh Jenkins benefited.

Heath Shaw (124 SC)

Stung a few who put the C on him last week in an attempt to chase points, but rebounded nicely with a solid outing. Excellent use of the ball again by foot. We must accept the fact that throughout his career, Heater has been prone to the odd stinker. But once you get past this fact, he still remains one of the most valuable defenders in SuperCoach.

Sam Kerridge (126 SC)

It was looking like Sam had nearly reached his expiry date and many traded him out this week. But for those who kept him, hasn’t he responded magnificently? Was prolific for Carlton and pumped out his fourth ton and highest score for the year.

Honourable mentions: Matt Crouch (132 SC), Matthew Leuenberger (105 SC).

The Prodigies

Sam Collins (100 SC)

Should be your number one rookie downgrade option for this week. Although it was only against Essendon, he looked bloody good. A mature-aged draft pick that has dominated the WAFL in the past couple of years, he looks set for an extended stint in the side. A key position defender, reminded me a bit of Marcus Adams the way he was able to take strong intercept pack marks and finish off with quality skills.

Ryan Davis (84 SC)

The laughing stock of the SuperCoach world in the early stages of the season, this bloke looked like an absolute spud. But hasn’t he turned things around in the past couple of weeks. Scored 90 and 84 in his last two matches and is benefiting from extended opportunities in a depleted Gold Coast side.

Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (80 SC)

The solid little nugget has been bloody serviceable to his owners in defence. Doesn’t mind throwing his frame around and cleaning up blokes and might be looking at a week for smashing into Chris Mayne’s jaw. Woosha talked about resting him in the coming weeks anyway, so he probably looks set to miss a game either way. Consider holding even if he misses, as he might be a bloke worth keeping as defence bench cover.

Honourable mentions: Christian Petracca (89 SC), Darcy Byrne-Jones (73 SC), Mason Cox (64 SC).      

The Damned

George Hewett (10 SC)

Copped a knock to the head, so you can’t really hold it against the kid. Had been good in the past month up until now. But with that 10 in his system, his break even will sky rocket. Time to go, George.

David Zaharakis (21 SC)

Went head to head with Barlow and got absolutely slaughtered. Those of you that still have this man need to look at upgrading him ASAP. You can’t put up with a mid that is produces this sort of filth. Not the first time this season, either. Will leak some serious cash as well.

Stef Martin (69 SC)

Just hasn’t been the same since being cleaned up by that massive hit from Steve May a month ago. A miracle he came back so quickly, but has looked a different player since. Was the second best ruckman in the comp last season but now looks a shadow of his former self. Almost all his owners are jumping off.

Honourable mentions: Jarrad Waite (74 SC), Matt Dea (42 SC), Tom Ruggles (24 SC), Mitch Brown (28 SC).

 

Over to you Community, who were your Heroes and Villains from this round?

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The Beard

Rocky or Swannys Mitchell for last midfield spot?

Jangles

Mitchell…don't get burnt!

The Beard

I'm unsure. Rocky if healthy will rip it up. Yeh he might miss the odd week though I have Davis & Smith as cover for the odd week or two.

@an3vilmonk3y

You just answered yourself. If healthy. Does history show he'll stay healthy?

JamiesNinjas13

History shows from the past few years that he plays almost every game after the bye rounds and avgs 130s while he's at it. Let that sink in.

Rowan

dont chase points with mitchell. Before 2 weeks ago he was terrible and i nearly traded him.

The Beard

Who would you think for last midfield then?

It's Mitchell, Rockliff, Priddis maybe?

Leaning towards Rocky.

azza

priddis easy

The Beard

Thinking Rocky. Just got a gut feeling.

Rick

A Gut feeling of 200 last week

Derek

Priddis by a mile

The Beard

Really? You are usually pretty on the money mate.

What makes you so sure? So far I've seen Priddis struggle (looked with injury) seems to have come through it.

Mitchell I'm wary of though some of his scores are proving hard to overlook.

Rocky is a proven gun when healthy. Granted it's been a long time since he was healthy though he's surely due some luck with injury soon!?

Southern S

Last 4 scores 100-123 so his consistency is back.

He's a lot cheaper than he started (85k cheaper)

He's barely missed any games since 2011.

The other two have way more risk involved for various reasons.

The Beard

So you too are on the Priddis wagon?

Steeeve

The big question: Are there any rookie forwards on the horizon?!?

Wattsieesq

Doesn't look like much. Mackenzie Willis is still cheap and James Rose is coming through at the Swans. Both have extremely suspect JS.

Rooster XXX

Hams from Essendon will play most of the games on the run home. Won't be a huge scorer and comes at a slightly inflated starting price – but likely to have pretty good JS given the Essendon situation.

JamiesNinjas13

How do you know his JS is pretty good, he's only managed to crack into the team now, with many other young players rested and injured. Could be dropped at any time I rekn.

Rooster XXX

Logic would say the Essendon Football Club are using this year to get a good look at the entire list so they can make an assessment on their players moving forward so when all the sanctioned players return they are well positioned to make calls on players such as Hams. That being the case I would think it is reasonable to presume that Hams will be play a decent a amount of footy on the run home. He was pretty solid on Saturday night despite Essendon getting smacked.
Given the lack of options I think he is a very worthy of consideration and will potentially provide a heartbeat on benches for the run home. At that this stage of the season shouldn't be needing to play him on field.

Leeds17

Silvagni maybe

Cameron

Worth going Brand to Collins if brand isn't named? Only way to get Collins in as my other bench player is Tucker and need all my players playing for the byes

Jangles

Nice work Carl!
Should I be looking brining in Ablett at his low price? Will he dominate like the old GAJ now?
I'm rank 2200 and want to keep climbing..and I'm
Thinking the bye round is the time to strike. I'm only 3 players away from having full premo solid side

jezzahill

This is probably the last chance to get him if you haven't already, Jangles. BE of 70 this week with two big hundreds in his price cycle means he probably won't be this cheap again unless he gets injured.

James

paint the fence with Hartley and Kennedy to Collins and Zorko? Leaving me with 19 trades.

Moustachio

There are better value options than Zorko, so it all depends how many other upgrades you still have to make. I'm guessing quite a few since you have so many trades.

Steeeve

Zorko just refuses to get much cheaper. Lock him in.

I'm considering Kennedy to him as well.

jezzahill

Very good trades.

bUCKET__

I'm bringing in either Hannebery or Parker, either this round or next.

Who'd you pick, superpremo or value? And think it'd be worth losing the points to pick up one of them up for ~10k less by waiting a week?

Steeeve

I have neither. I want Hanners by the end of the year. Not sure I want Parker.

BKW

Go Hanners, has scored over 100 in every game – only player in the league to do so this season I believe!

I've got Parker, and while I like him there is snog gap between his up and down games – Hanners more consistent.

Beezneez

Neale has scored over he ton in all but one early game when he scored 92. He is dearer than Hanners though. I have had Parker since round 1 and am leaning towards Neale for that reason and the upcoming byes.

Moustachio

Care of Parker, he and JPK compete for points

Jangles

Here's my team Carl and community..Not sure what to do coming into bye rounds!!?? Thinking of Ablett or downgrading hall this week…thoughts???

Shaw, docherty, DJB, Bartell, tippa, pittard.
(Collins, Ruggles)
Pendles, danger, wines, Libba, Parker
Sloane, S. Mitchell. (Smith, keays)
Gawn, Nic Nat. (Grimes)
Buddy, Martin, Zorko, Wells, Hall, Petracca.
(Brown, Menadue)

jezzahill

What's your bye structure looking like with your team as it is? Given that you have Collins and 8 solid mids, I would advocate holding your trades this week in preparation for the byes. Hall is causing me headaches as well, but there are lots of people in the same boat – gotta hold him I reckon. For now anyway

bUCKET__

Hewett will be rested mate, he's a young bloke who's had a big year and was just concussed. Bet the house on it!

Steeeve

Hmm what about Ben Ken? Did he play in the VFL?

I N Pieman

Love BVC's meme on Daniel "shit" Rich. God I know how that feels. He's useless. Can wait to get rid of him or shift him to the pine

Derek

i saw he was getting tagged on the weekend, why do coaches do that to that poor fella. he has very short arms and can't push them away.

i got Rich at D5 and Brodie at D6, was going to bring in Rance at D7 after his bye, with a non-playing rookie at D8 and try my best to loophole them for the rest of the year. hopefully 2 out of 3 will play ok.

Decas

Already got tucker but need a defensive downgrade for brown? Is Tom Lee a chance to return with ST Kilda's shocking performance?

jezzahill

Sam Collins has to be a priority this week if you don't have him

Seb

Sam Collins all the way, breakeven of -88 don't look any further

deccas

Thanks I N Pieman i meant Collins.

Luke

Thoughts on kade stewart? 102k priced rookie, scored 90
How is his js?

Moustachio

Would not rate JS high at Hawks.

Jansen from Lions got 98 on debut, may keep his spot (assume he took it from Mathiespud) if he can back it up next week.

@an3vilmonk3y

JS at Hawks is good 3 games. Once you play your 3rd you're cut.

Tofor

Hawks fan here would expect JS to be pretty low..
Wouldn't surprise me to see him drop out for Langford this week.

ting tong falang

my sneaky thai slipper caught me doing the doggy the other night with the missus, after one too many beverages (lukes). What i thought to be a stamina performance turned out to be unfulfilling for the little lady, and she left promptly in the morning. oh well, i log on to the supercoach for a review of the weekend, only to find i'd dropped ranking. My sneaky thai slipper hopped on the bed with a grin..and he say me.. "khun tin tong…winning 50 grand like winning lady heart….you want come from behind win..you need more libido, more libido!". now u see community, my thai snlipper hab velly hard accent to understand. all day i wondered what he meant by "more libido"..it finally dawned on me the next night..more libido..more libido? he wasn't saying More Libido..he was trying to say Morabito! Morabito! Welcome…

Matt

Dickhead

Steeeve

Morabito probably the only bloke who could have a season ending injury putting on a pair of slippers.

He's more disappointing than you seem to be in the sack and, like your missus, rooted.

The Mountain

Tommy lee could be a chance with Goddard going down and he looks like he could be out for a while

winters

thinking of getting rid of Byrne from Carlton to upgrade a defender but my problem is i only have 417k for a backmen

who is my best bet community T.Mcdonald or M.Suckling

and should i keep or trade hall

tim

suckling looks the goods, average severely affected by that injury score

Phil

Suckling averaging 94 if u take his injured score out. Extra benefit too if you've still got a F/B rookie

Neverweaken

Suckling. Had him since the start. Def/fwd was about to trade when murph went down. He has stepped up since then apart from injury.

Southern S

Byrne is only a BE of 29

Boltons blues

I'm ranked in the 4000 area and I'm worried about my cash generation on the bench, need some help, I just scored 2318 and beat the guy in my league whom was undefeated and ranked 25 in the Comp.

Shaw, laird, rance, docherty, Simpson, Byrne (Ruggles, Collins)

Danger, Ablett, Parker, Cripps, Sloane, Shiel, libba, Priddas (Dunkley, Davis, McPherson)

Gawn, goldy (cox)

Martin, wells, hall, Dahl, Kerridge AMT (petracca, grimley)

I have 14k and 14 trades left.
I'm thinking no trades this week, but this the lack of coin sitting on the bench there isn't much point trading them cause they still have more to make, the only one I can possibly see this week is Ruggles down to Lee if he gets a game

Need some help, thanks

Derek

this year cash is hard to generate, but we still need it to get to full premium. Squeeze every last cent out of the rookies that you can. you have mcpherson sitting there not making any cash for you, but only 14 trades left, probably can't trade him out at this stage.

James

Gday lads, would love a bit of feedback on my team.
Def
Shaw, tippa, laird, dea, KK, Adams (Hartley, Collins)
Mid
Hanners, Parker, Ablett, Libba, Priddis, Danger, Wines, Kerridge (Smith, Keays, MacPherson)
Ruck
Gawn, Nic Nat (Grimley)
Fwd
Dahl, Zorko, Martin, Hall, Wells, Barlow (Petracca, menadue)

17 Trades and $135k in the bank.
Obviously backline is lacking and Dea hs to go this week. Will most likely go to Simpson but need to downgrade someone (Hartley or menadue) for this to be possible. Rockliff is also very tempting with wines not looking even slightly likely to crack a ton but don't want to get sucked in. Any thoughts appreciated

breakevens

Thoughts community
DEF: Shaw, Simpson, Bartel, Adams, Laird, Suckling (Tucker, Collins)
MID: Danger, Parker, Ward, Selwood, Ablett, Libba, Priddis, Gray (Davis, Keays, Gore)
RUCK: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cox)
Forward: Dalhaus, Merrett, Dustin, Hall, Wells, Wingard (Petracca, Grimley)
Trades this week
Smith out for Selwood
AMT out for Suckling
I've decided to pull the trigger on both Smith and AMT as I am competing to get my team to full premo as quickly as possible
Both underpriced
13 trades left

cashcows

What output are you expecting from suckling for the rest of the year?

Like the move to go a little early on Smith to go full premo. Only reservation with Selwood is his performance does deviate a little more with danger in the team, but he's definitely underpriced and a premo, shame he could score 70/80s instead of solid 90+s from years past.
Will you be getting pendles anytime during the season? Libba -> pendles near the end of the season?

winters

Im ranked about 5k and have 100k in the bank my main concern is that i have 10 trades left is it worth me going early on Jansen/trengrove/stewart so that i can generate a lot of cash for post bye upgrades scored 2269 last week team is

DEF: Shaw, Docherty, Laird, Enright, Byrne, S.Collins (Ruggles, Tucker)

MID: Dangerfield, Hannerbery, Ablett, Ward, Shiel, Priddis, Zieball, Lewis (Hewett, Davis, Gresham)

RCK: Gawn, NicNat (Lorensch)

FWD: Dahlhaus, Martin, Hall, Boomer, Kerridge, Tipungwuti (Petracca, Wyatt)

was thinking of just using 1 trade this week to go Byrne—-> Suckling but as i said above is it worth going early on a couple rookies

would really love peoples thoughts

matt

mate your team is shit house

jezzahill

You need to hold trades! At risk of not getting to full premium if you go early on guys who aren't on the bubble yet.

The Beard

Could someone please fill me in on Hall & Dalhaus break evens?

Also Zaharakas?

Thanks guys.

James
azza

do people think nicnat will miss next week due to a broken nose? 🙁

Stevo

Time to trade out KK or hold? 16 trades left and defence is still average….

Shaw, Rance, Rich, AMT, KK, S.Collins (Ruggles, Williams).

Wayno76

I'm trading him this week cut my losses and downgrade to Colin's I'm sick of playing him and my reserves score better

Danners

HOLD, wait till you have a premo team first

Dasha

im holding til JJ comes back

Steeeve

I'm holding, but not happy at all. Wonder if this stomach problem he's got has caused his poor performance? Definitely seems underdone.

Youngster

Yep, so two of his best scores have been when he was a late out and I got the emergency's score instead. Absolutely the worst so called premo I've ever started with and reminds me of it every week.

I'm just not sure what do with this bloke as I'm playing AMT and Adams also.

The Beard

Thanks mate.

So next question if Hall gets 50-60 again what's he drop?

The Beard

Also bloody shocked at Zaha's low B/E. Especially seeing he only dropped 22k with the crap he produced.

I was looking at getting him out now and planning Hall having a week to earn his stay or cut him out for Dahl.

Though I got 65k in the bank and was going to use 50k from McPherson to get the balance for Dalhaus. Though if he gets his breakeven which is a chance he's around 510-520k meaning I'd at max need Hall to drop no more then 20k to be safe. Looks so tight.

Chill

Selwood, Parker OR Gray to come in this week.. Who are we feeling community?

Danners

Parker could wait another week, but if you need one of them now, Selwood

Steeeve

You'd take Parker over Gray?

jezzahill

Selwood is the man to get in this week if you really need someone

Southern S

I like Gray.

Wayno76

I thought stefan Martin had a not bad game for a ruckman with 1 goal 6 kicks 7 handballs and 8 marks l didn't see the game but he must have been bad in the ruck contest. I'm still holding him as he's dropped to much cash for me to get anyone good . Hope his scores lift.

Mac

Agree, can't do much with him. Hopefully against Apeness he can score well this week.

bUCKET__

Lower TOG than he had pre-concussion, and much more time spend resting forward to go with it. Looks increasingly like fitness is contributing as much as role change, with West in while he gets up and going again. Damn you Steve May!!

I'm backing him in to return to form post-bye too, but have a lot of doubts :/

Chill

I already have collins. Who else could I look at bringing in?

Steeeve

Could go early on Trengove I guess.

Mac

Jansen looks good if you are desperate. Otherwise wait until they are on the bubble.

Derek

wair for thursday, i think maitherson will get a game, did well in the seconds.

BKW

Agree with all of the above suggestions – Menegola had a good game in the seconds as well, might get a game around the cats bye

Steeeve

He's mid only yeah?
Thinking a week ahead. I have Hewett so could go him to Jansen. Then to bring in Jack Trengove I could pull the trigger early on Josh Smith (already made heaps), Ryan Davis (finally making money) or Darcy MacPherson (my loophole, but not breathing on the bench). WIll wait and see how Davis and Smith go this week. Thinking Hewett will be out after his head knock.

mika

hey all,
im sitting around the 18k mark. i scored 2320on the weekend with a big donut from goldy. I just wanted to know what you think and if there is anything that stands out as a warning sign or need to upgrade anyone. i have 11 trades and 174k in the bank, my team is:

shaw, boyd, gibson, bartel, DBJ, B smith, (brand, tucker )
danger, ablett, shiel, Mitchell, crips, libba,parker, priddis, (hopper, mathieson,davis)
goldy, gawn (gorringe)
buddy,waite, wells, martin, kerrige, petracca, (cox, redman)
any help would be great.
cheers

Danners

Great work Big Carl! So many good cheap premo midfield options this week like Rockliff not sure who to get in. At the moment my midfield is:
Dangerfield, Hannebery, Pendlebury, Shiel, Ablett, Libba, Smith, Petracca (Hewett, Keays, Dunkley)
Planning to get rid of Smith and Hewett for Joyce (for loophole and swing) and a premo mid ($580,000 to spend)
Thoughts on who to get?

marcus

roary Sloane looks good but his bye is next week I'm bringing him in after most likely

Mac

Selwood, Gray, Ward are all good options. POD in Cotchin, scoring well this season.

Stevo

Plenty of options. Consider Selwood, Gray, Parker, Priddis.Then Rocky is you're feeling like taking more risk.

Gherkin

I've cracked it community. Rage traded Zaka to Rocky and Hall to Wingard as soon as trades were possible last night. Holding up a mirror, 2 side trades in one week is plain bonkers. Will probably calm down, reassess, and make a wiser decision later in the week but these 2 were so, so bad.

I think the Zaka trade is a good one, can't have a premo be tagged out of the game and produce that rubbish. Not sure on the Hall trade though, don't really want to keep Hall and Green in the same forward line in the form they are in Seems risky.

Def line is good with Adams at D6, Mids are ok for now with Parish at M8 and Fwd line should be good with Green at F6 but is too inconsistent.

Thoughts?

Moustachio

Sideways is okay if you are sure it is generating value for team (eg if youre sure zaka will continue recent form, and rockie is back to bear godhood, then lock it in)

Youngster

It depends on your definition of a side-ways trade, as far as I'm concerned, Zaha to Rocky is an upgrade! Wingard is a risk as his early season form demonstrated. Sure, he might be value for money but could you do better? A lot of us have Hall, so at some point we all need to work something out.

Rocksta

It's almost got to the point where you've got to seriously consider Adams as a kerper at D6.
Don't reckon you'll get much better than a mid to high 80 average at D6 regardless.

Southern S

Agreed, especially for people that don't have a large team value, which seems to be a lot this year, good rookie prospects seem to be diminishing.

Casper.

Tom Rockliff is like that best mate who your parents always warned you off as a bad influence! He is an awesome bloke, you have some great times but damn do you continually end up in the [email protected] !!!!

Bif G

That was deep

Don't Blush Baby'

Did anyone see AMT's hit on Mayne ? maybe looking at 3 down to 2 weeks suspension , that will take him up to his bye ,if so another decision to contemplate

Gherkin

Saw the hit DBB. Think you're right in saying 3 down to 2. Might get lucky and get 2 down to 1 but definitely a week for that. Woosha suggested that he'd be rested soon anyways (not sure why he'd wanna rest him so close to the bye but whatevs), so either way it looks like he'll miss at least one. I'm thinking of holding him unless a fwd rookie comes along that is too good to ignore. I like his consistent 70-80 on the bench as cover. Pretty good for a 102k investment IMO.

Andy

just a fine guys

jezzahill

Just a fine, will play this week

Steeeve

People should know to never guess what the MRP will do!

Paul96

Hey community, have a bit of a conundrum.

I have a full premo midfield with; Danger, Pendles, Hanners, GAZ, Parker, Shiel, Libba, GAFF.

I have been trying ever so hard not to pull the pin on gaff, but scores of 64, 43, 79, 90 ,60 in his last 5 have made owning him extremely frustrating.

I have $330k in the kitty and 2 rookies to upgrade in defence and 1 to upgrade in forward. 17 trades left

Is it dumb to sideways to a Rockliff? Or should I just ride it out for longer in hope that he gets better.

As always love to hear the community's thoughts! 🙂

Moustachio

Got to explain the scores. Injured or role change or loss of synergistic players? If not he should come good. Having said that rockie ceiling is immense (but so is floor… zero)

jezzahill

Why not look at someone like Selwood as well? A little bit more cash, and probably less risk involved

Beagz

Would be going straight to Lachie Neale if i were you

Billioux

Hi Guys. As we know full premo asap is one of the first goals.I am hearing a lot of ;need 3 for Fpremo,2 for Fpremo etc. Can we consider the likes of Libba M8,Wells F6, DBJ D6, Chad and/or Hall F6 as full premo. Interested in your thoughts.

Rick Grimes

Wells is premo. Hall is F7. The Chad I'd rate as F6 on current output. Port are up and about now.

Gherkin

Hi Billioux.

My opinion of a premo is a reliable average of at least 100. I have Libba and he's not quite in my premo list but another week like last week would almost get him there, too many 80's in his scoring to have me fully convinced. DBJ is not a premo, he's a rookie that has been inconsistent but has been good enough to punch out 100's from time to time. Not someone i'd want to rely on in finals. Players like Wingard, Hall, Greene are all in the same boat IMO. Too inconsistent to be classed as a premo in my team but may come good before finals.

Cheers.

Billioux

Thanks guys, I agree mostly Gherkin 100 is the number for F perhaps 110 for Mids. Not many Def will avg 100 so i was just pondering if a DBJ, Adams type can avg 80 is that good enough for D6?. Anyway that what makes the game great. Cheers.

Gherkin

Probably right Billioux. 100 average for a defender is almost ultra premo for the position. I've got Shaw (117 ave), Doc (107), Simpson (104), Bartel (96), Laird (93) and Adams (86). I don't consider Adams a promo but won't look to upgrade him until late in the season, and only them if I have trades to burn.

Happy to leave an Adams type at D6 if he can keep punching out 80s.

I rage traded Hall to Wingard on Sunday night. Not sure if i'll get more consistency with Wingard but i'm sick of Hall's poor scores.

Billioux

Very good D line. That where i most weak Shaw,Gibbo,Rance,Mski (dont ask me y!) He goes to Collins this week,DBJ and the usual Ess suspects. Went De Goey to Chad last rd. Happy with my other other lines. Good luck 4 the rest of the season Gherkin.

Moustachio

Def = 95+, Fwd = 100+, Mid = 110+ average.

Libba can be, Halls is too injured, Wingard probably now he is warmed up. Wells certainly, unless injured ofc.

Brent

Definitely keep them all as f6…then wait for finals if have trades can trade them out

Box

Can someone tell me what has happened to the Supercoach LiveHQ web sight?

Beady Eye

Shat the bed like most Herald Sun things do.

Kev

Data centre in Sydney went offline because of the storms

Lealey

Rockliff, Selwood, Dahlhouse or Gray ?

Derek

Dahlhous is a forward, so unless you need a forward cross him off.

I have RGray and Rocky but not Selwood. already had Bartel, Blitz and Danger so thought another cat was too much. If that wasn't an issue i would have Selwood by now, he GUN.

Moustachio

Depends whether you want to worry about injury, forgetting how to play, paying too much, or chucking wobblies, respectively

Southern S

My thoughts exactly, which type of risk to take is down to the individual.

marcus

hey guys I have 14 trades left and I'm going tippa to Gibson, and I also want to get rid of grant birchall or hall but I think I might just hold and trade to somebody who just had a bye in a few weeks like simpson.
Thoughts?

jezzahill

Hold your underperforming premos until their bye – especially as you are more than halfway through your trade allowance

marcus

yeah thanks jezza that's what I was thinking. might trade byrne jones to simpson then

breakevens

What midfielder should I go with for 523k or under?? Already have Gray

Harry

Do you have Selwood?

Derek

Selwood. don't think, just do.

Dave

In favour of the rock?

jezzahill

Selwood. Lock.

Andrew

I have just traded in Mitchell (Hawthorn) 440k as my m8. Might be a risk but he is a premo, last two scores in the 90's even with his hard tags.

Southern S

Don't like any of them, I'd probably paint the fence in a week or two, possibly get Jansen and/or trengove and lock in gun mids that are consistent.

james

Westhoff or Wingard community they're about the same price with the same avg of 85 wingard 8.3% teams where as westhoff is in 0.8% who should i select as my F6

Moustachio

Both great value. Hoff is top 8 fwd 2 years in a row.

Tommo09

I'm going for it with Rocky
Have Hopper and Keays for bench cover
Only problem, who to trade out?

Team:
Def: Shaw, Adams, Docherty, Laird, Tippa, DBJ, (Brown, Byrne)
Mid: Danger, GAJ, Parker, Pendles, Hannebery, Libba, Priddis, Hopper (Keays, Smith, McPherson)
Ruc: Goldy, NicNat (Grimley)
Fwd: Martin, Franklin, Barlow, Hall, Wells, Kerridge (Kennedy, Petracca)

Ranked 3300 need some PODs
Thoughts???

Tommo09

Also thinking someone to Collins

Mac

Both Hopper, Keays, Smith have low breakevens. I'd go Keays, poorer team if you really need an option. Brown to Collins lock that in. If you decide to hold your mid rookies you could look at Kennedy to Zorko?

Tommo09

Can't do Keays
3.3k short
Can do that if I trade out Kennedy or Byrne out instead of Brown

lachlanmcleanportfolio

then say bye bye to rocky

TRIGGER HAPPY

Rocky rocky why do u do this to me/us?
110-120 I could have dealt with and said yup good game but pass.
Now u pump out a 200 which should mean u r over your injuries but not only that but call it early!
That performance has at least gotta give the old Grey matter a bit of a work out.
Do I? Don't I? Pros and cons above by big Carl. Nice work.
Pieman I am tempted damn it!
Could go hall – rocky.

One other thing. How is the correlation between hall and Davis? Davis more mid time scores go up recently, hall less scores go down.

The Ranger

He's doing my head in again Trigger!
I could go Aaron Young to Rocky this week…

Tommo09

Top 8 mids?
Have Danger, Hanners, Pendles, Ablett, Priddis, Parker, Rockliff and Libba in my mids
Will get rid of Libba eventually and am thinking Selwood or Neale.

Steeeve

Those two or Robbie Gray.

Mac

Ward would also be around the mark.

Big G

Lachie Neale: great POD

Tommo09

A bit pricey though

Derek

missed boat on Neale, too expensive now.

Dan

Before last round, was ranked 263rd, however due to some big disappointing scores this week, I've dropped down to 808th, after my worst score of the year only scoring 2095. This is how my team sits

Back: Shaw, Docherty, Simpson, Bartel, Gibson, McDonald-Tip (Tucker, Williams)
Mid: Danger, Pendles, Parker, Ablett, Liberatore, Wines, J.Smith, Petracca (Hewett, Keays, Dunkley)
Ruc: Goldy, Nic Nat (Wyatt)
For: J.J.Kennedy, Martin, Montagna, Hall, Kerridge, Barlow (Paine, Long)

Got 16 trades left, with $470k in the bank, what to you guys suggest I do?
Cheers Guys

Moustachio

Hall to a PTA fwd. Find a way to replace a mid rookie with a rockie, selwood, gray type

Jordan

Alright, I am ranked 397, with 17 trades left, I have a few possible trades with 1 a certainty in M.Brown to Sammy Collins, the others are;

George Hewett to Zach Merrett and then chuck him down front for Menaspud and downgrade him to Jansen or Stewart in a few weeks.
Zaharakis to Lachie Neale or Joel Selwood (opinions on which one to go for would be loved)
and Ollie Wines to Lachie Neale or Joel Selwood.

Thanks in advance

Derek

you are paying way over for Neale, he would have been good 3 weeks ago, missed him now compared to what Selwood could do for over $100k cheaper.

Stay well away from Ross

Jordan

For Zaharakis or Ollie Wines though? I would say Zaha just because he is jumping around between 20 and 100 whereas Wines has been consistently 80-100. Thoughts?

Shake n bake

I knew this would get brushed under the carpet, I'm
still waiting for some expert to please explain Lairds
scoring.

Mac

Short cheap kicks. Nothing contested.

Southern S

Effective kick 4 Points
Ineffective kick 0 Points
Clanger kick -4 Points
Effective Handball 1.5 Points
Ineffective handball 0 Points
Handball clanger -4 Points
Handball receive 1.5 Point
Hardball get 4.5 Points
Loose-ball get 4.5 Points
Goal 8 Points
Behind 1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession) 2 Points
Mark contested (maintaining possession) 6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition) 4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition) 8 Points
Tackles 4 Points
Free kick for 4 Points
Free kick against -4 Points
Hitout to Advantage 5 Points
Gather from Hitout 2 Points

For example, while other games will award points for a kick no matter how far it goes or where it's directed, Champion Data will award zero points for a kick that travels less than 40 meters to a contest.

Gherkin

Hi Southern. I still don't really understand. Are you saying that his DE of 83.3% does not apply to SC? That they have a different efficiency system? If so, that makes sense, although a little annoying, but I understand why his score was so low.

It doesn't actually explain that for a kick to be effective, it needs to go to a teammate or be at least 40m to a contest. That is where the confusion is i'd say. I didn't watch the game so I can't comment of his 'SC efficiency'.

Southern S

That's right it's a different efficiency system basically, and sometimes there will a large discrepancy between the scores due to details that the fantasy stats don't include.

I look at the stats on the AFL website and I'm surprised that he only got a 74 too, but I highly doubt they rig the scores as some assume. The information above is directly from the supercoach website/app in the help section.

Laird's stats

11 kicks – technically could be worth zero (if he kicked short kicks out of the back goal square after a minor score there would be zero points for a receive or gather also)

19 handballs – with a receive or gather for each handball these could be worth only 57 points. That's also if CD saw them all as 100% effective, if not then subtract 1.5 points for each one that wasn't.

Thing is he might've gone 100% by foot according to the AFL website, yet SC could've scored them as zero due to the distance of them. This would leave his handballs at a lower efficiency of 60-70%, so we might have to drop the handball score of 57 down to 48 or so. (6 handballs ineffective)

Plus two of those handballs could've been his clangers (turnovers) we don't know.

2 Clangers – Negative 8 points

8 uncontested marks from team mates – 16 points

Free kick – Plus 4

That's a worse case scenario (also quick and rough) look at his scoring.

60 points I get, let's give him 14 points for the kicks and you have 74. I'd assume the scoring was right for Laird.

And yeah it sucks cos I own him lol.

Smote

Thanks for all the time you put into answering questions from the community. Helped me with the enigma that sometimes is the supercoach scoring system. Next season i will be avoiding any serial short kickers i think.

Southern S

Thanks and no problems Smote.

Maybe taking it easy with a bit of confidence lacking due to his injured toe?

I'd put it down to an anomaly anyway just like Goldstein's 49, unlikely to do everything wrong for supercoach scoring in another game.

Beezneez

I was a bit surprised by his score as well – had to go to fanfooty to find out after the HS site was down for two days. Thought he had a fair bit of it after sitting a lot of the first quarter on the bench. I think Mac in his reply has nailed the reason for his low score. Also, the Crows would have been trying to ease him into the game after his layoff. Noticed him on the ground after the match with his left leg heavily iced but expect (hope ) he will be alright for next week. Expect his output and contested possessions and marks to improve as he gets back to match fitness.

Micky

Community, any thoughts on trades plz, i have 14 trades left with 30 k in the bank

def- shaw, simpson, laird, gibson, pittard, DBJ( ruggles, collins)
mid- danger, pendles, parker, shiel, priddis, mitchell, liberatore, keays, ( davis, macpherson, dunkley)
ruc- gawn, nic nat(goertz)
fwd- martin, montagna, hall, barlow, zorko, j kennedy( petracca, mcgovern)
ANY IDEAS COMMUNITY WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!

tuxCS

Made a small mistake last week of trading in Mathieson, and not noticing that he was out. I'm pretty confident that he'll get back in the team, especially considering Brisbanes current form. Im trading AMT down to Collins this week, and am probably going to upgrade keays/smith to Rockliff next week to complete my midfield.

Team looks like this:

Def:
Shaw, Docherty, Simpson, Laird, KK, Adams. (Collins, DBJ)

Mid:
Dangerfield, Neale, Pendelbury, Ablett, Selwood, R. Gray, Liberatore, Hopper. (Smith, Keays, Mathieson)

Ruck:
Naitanui, Gawn (Chol)

Fwd:
Zorko, Merrett, Hall, Wells, Kerridge, Petracca. (Cox, Menadue)

I'm hoping Hall has a couple of weeks off soon to rest up and then come back firing. I'm going to hold KK all season unless he gets an LTI. Other than those two "issues" im pretty happy with my teams progress, only 13 trades left, but im content.

Leeds17

I saw some signs from KK on the weekend he's was starting to get back to his best

Tommo09

Kennedy or Brown out?
If it's brown then I have to trade Smith out instead of Keays

Derek

what about Kennedy AND Brown?

Tommo09

Then I can't get rocky because Kennedy is in my fwd

Derek

there is always a way, show your team!

Tommo09

Def: Shaw, Adams, Docherty, Laird, Tippa, DBJ, (Brown, Byrne)
Mid: Danger, GAJ, Parker, Pendles, Hannebery, Libba, Priddis, Hopper (Keays, Smith, McPherson)
Ruc: Goldy, NicNat (Grimley)
Fwd: Martin, Franklin, Barlow, Hall, Wells, Kerridge (Kennedy, Petracca)

Derek

you already have Rocky? see post above – Have Danger, Hanners, Pendles, Ablett, Priddis, Parker, Rockliff and Libba in my mids

Tommo09

Sorry about that
That would be after trades

Derek

i see what you mean, no DPP in the midfield.