RD11: The Heroes. The Villains. The Damned.

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Big Carl CoachKings Community

Like a jilted ex-lover, Tom Rockliff continues to seduce us as fantasy coaches.

He’s hurt us many times over the last two seasons, but we kept taking him back. Then he’d hurt us again. And again.

When it was good, boy was it good. He could produce monster ton after monster ton. It was pure bliss.

But the last time he hurt us, most of us said “never again”.

However, here he is, Community. Trying to lure us back in for another roll in the hay with a tantalising outing of 204 SC on Saturday!  Bloody 204!

You have to admire the swagger of the bloke, who predicted during the week he would go 180+ in his first game back despite not playing since Round 7.

Now, here we are, being tempted again. Here is a short list of pros and cons when considering picking up Rocky:


  • He’s bloody cheap (should be in the 500K range this week even after the double ton).
  • A proven SuperCoach gun (leading overall average in 2014 with 132 SC).
  • He has a massive ceiling (as evidence this week).
  • Loves being a one-man band and plays well in losing sides.


  • We are chasing points – he won’t crack the double ton every week.
  • Durability – the bloke is bloody injury prone.
  • Regularly misses games (has only played six matches this year, 16 in 2015 and 18 in 2014).
  • Prior history – has burnt many coaches on multiple occasions. Will he do it again? Possibly.

The revelry of CoachKings continued to produce the goods on the weekend as punters in pubs across the nation battled it out in both AFL and NRL formats. In AFL, Jakey Welsh out at the Tonsley Hotel did enough to secure the weekly prize with his score of 1091.  

The Heroes

Tom Rockliff (204 SC)

Had it a phenomenal 48 times. Nine tackles and a goal to cap it off. A goliath performance in a side that was beaten convincingly. Believe it or not, Rocky actually thrives on being the only decent mid in his side and battling against the odds. With Beams out for the rest of the season, will be an absolute steal at this price IF he can keep his body right. But, that is a big IF.

Josh Jenkins (172 SC)

There wouldn’t be many that have him. But a 170-odd is too hard to ignore. Helped by seven goals, big JJ made the most of the Crows’ dominance over an insipid Saints line up. His inconsistency and key position status mean he should almost certainly not be considered in the future in our teams, but an effort like this deserves to be recognised.

Joel Selwood (150 SC)

Produced one of the greatest last quarters in the history of SuperCoach. Selwood’s 74-point final term epic propelled him to an excellent score, as he went into beast mode for 12 touches, four tackles and a goal. Handsomely rewarded those who have stuck with him after a couple of sub-par performances.

Honourable mentions: Marcus Bontempelli (147 SC), Rory Sloane (139 SC), Daniel Wells (138 SC), Tom Mitchell (131 SC), Lachie Neale (138 SC), Zach Merrett (128 SC), Matty Boyd (128 SC), Scott Pendlebury (125 SC), Lachie Hunter (124 SC), Gary Ablett (121 SC).  

The Villains

Toby Greene (57 SC)

Many picked him thinking he would fill the void in the midfield left by Adam Treloar at the Giants. But it is now abundantly clear he will continue to play as a half forward only. Kicked three goals and was sitting on nearly 50 at quarter-time. So what the bloody hell happened the next three quarters, Toby? Is looking increasingly likely he will not be a top six forward come season’s end.

Aaron Hall (50 SC)

Hall’s case is almost as curious as Green’s. Was in absolute white-hot form at the start of the season. But coinciding with his team’s decline since then, he has dropped off significantly. Now it doesn’t even look like Rocket wants to play him in the bloody midfield anymore. Didn’t start in a centre bounce for the whole match. A significant concern.

Leigh Montagna (43 SC)

Like many of his team-mates, Lethal Leigh was not so lethal on Sunday as his side got absolutely bulldozered by the Crows. Age counts against him when considering as to whether he is a top six forward or not and scores like this are deeply concerning. Has a big ceiling and can big on his day, but needs to gain consistency if he is to prove a worthwhile selection in our forward lines.

Honourable mentions: Nic Naitanui (71 SC), Luke Dahlhaus (69 SC), Elliott Yeo (56 SC), Josh J Kennedy (49 SC), Nick Riewoldt (45 SC).  

The Redeemers

Sam Jacobs (150 SC)

The likable big man was once the best ruckman in the game a couple of years ago and he wound back the clock with a vintage performance on Sunday. Gave the Crows midfielders first use of the ball allowing them to rack up some big numbers and pump the ball up forward, where Josh Jenkins benefited.

Heath Shaw (124 SC)

Stung a few who put the C on him last week in an attempt to chase points, but rebounded nicely with a solid outing. Excellent use of the ball again by foot. We must accept the fact that throughout his career, Heater has been prone to the odd stinker. But once you get past this fact, he still remains one of the most valuable defenders in SuperCoach.

Sam Kerridge (126 SC)

It was looking like Sam had nearly reached his expiry date and many traded him out this week. But for those who kept him, hasn’t he responded magnificently? Was prolific for Carlton and pumped out his fourth ton and highest score for the year.

Honourable mentions: Matt Crouch (132 SC), Matthew Leuenberger (105 SC).

The Prodigies

Sam Collins (100 SC)

Should be your number one rookie downgrade option for this week. Although it was only against Essendon, he looked bloody good. A mature-aged draft pick that has dominated the WAFL in the past couple of years, he looks set for an extended stint in the side. A key position defender, reminded me a bit of Marcus Adams the way he was able to take strong intercept pack marks and finish off with quality skills.

Ryan Davis (84 SC)

The laughing stock of the SuperCoach world in the early stages of the season, this bloke looked like an absolute spud. But hasn’t he turned things around in the past couple of weeks. Scored 90 and 84 in his last two matches and is benefiting from extended opportunities in a depleted Gold Coast side.

Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (80 SC)

The solid little nugget has been bloody serviceable to his owners in defence. Doesn’t mind throwing his frame around and cleaning up blokes and might be looking at a week for smashing into Chris Mayne’s jaw. Woosha talked about resting him in the coming weeks anyway, so he probably looks set to miss a game either way. Consider holding even if he misses, as he might be a bloke worth keeping as defence bench cover.

Honourable mentions: Christian Petracca (89 SC), Darcy Byrne-Jones (73 SC), Mason Cox (64 SC).      

The Damned

George Hewett (10 SC)

Copped a knock to the head, so you can’t really hold it against the kid. Had been good in the past month up until now. But with that 10 in his system, his break even will sky rocket. Time to go, George.

David Zaharakis (21 SC)

Went head to head with Barlow and got absolutely slaughtered. Those of you that still have this man need to look at upgrading him ASAP. You can’t put up with a mid that is produces this sort of filth. Not the first time this season, either. Will leak some serious cash as well.

Stef Martin (69 SC)

Just hasn’t been the same since being cleaned up by that massive hit from Steve May a month ago. A miracle he came back so quickly, but has looked a different player since. Was the second best ruckman in the comp last season but now looks a shadow of his former self. Almost all his owners are jumping off.

Honourable mentions: Jarrad Waite (74 SC), Matt Dea (42 SC), Tom Ruggles (24 SC), Mitch Brown (28 SC).


Over to you Community, who were your Heroes and Villains from this round?

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The Beard

Rocky or Swannys Mitchell for last midfield spot?


Mitchell…don't get burnt!

The Beard

I'm unsure. Rocky if healthy will rip it up. Yeh he might miss the odd week though I have Davis & Smith as cover for the odd week or two.


You just answered yourself. If healthy. Does history show he'll stay healthy?


History shows from the past few years that he plays almost every game after the bye rounds and avgs 130s while he's at it. Let that sink in.


dont chase points with mitchell. Before 2 weeks ago he was terrible and i nearly traded him.

The Beard

Who would you think for last midfield then?

It's Mitchell, Rockliff, Priddis maybe?

Leaning towards Rocky.


priddis easy

The Beard

Thinking Rocky. Just got a gut feeling.


A Gut feeling of 200 last week


Priddis by a mile

The Beard

Really? You are usually pretty on the money mate.

What makes you so sure? So far I've seen Priddis struggle (looked with injury) seems to have come through it.

Mitchell I'm wary of though some of his scores are proving hard to overlook.

Rocky is a proven gun when healthy. Granted it's been a long time since he was healthy though he's surely due some luck with injury soon!?

Southern S

Last 4 scores 100-123 so his consistency is back.

He's a lot cheaper than he started (85k cheaper)

He's barely missed any games since 2011.

The other two have way more risk involved for various reasons.

The Beard

So you too are on the Priddis wagon?


The big question: Are there any rookie forwards on the horizon?!?


Doesn't look like much. Mackenzie Willis is still cheap and James Rose is coming through at the Swans. Both have extremely suspect JS.

Rooster XXX

Hams from Essendon will play most of the games on the run home. Won't be a huge scorer and comes at a slightly inflated starting price – but likely to have pretty good JS given the Essendon situation.


How do you know his JS is pretty good, he's only managed to crack into the team now, with many other young players rested and injured. Could be dropped at any time I rekn.

Rooster XXX

Logic would say the Essendon Football Club are using this year to get a good look at the entire list so they can make an assessment on their players moving forward so when all the sanctioned players return they are well positioned to make calls on players such as Hams. That being the case I would think it is reasonable to presume that Hams will be play a decent a amount of footy on the run home. He was pretty solid on Saturday night despite Essendon getting smacked.
Given the lack of options I think he is a very worthy of consideration and will potentially provide a heartbeat on benches for the run home. At that this stage of the season shouldn't be needing to play him on field.


Silvagni maybe


Worth going Brand to Collins if brand isn't named? Only way to get Collins in as my other bench player is Tucker and need all my players playing for the byes


Already got tucker but need a defensive downgrade for brown? Is Tom Lee a chance to return with ST Kilda's shocking performance?


Sam Collins has to be a priority this week if you don't have him


Sam Collins all the way, breakeven of -88 don't look any further


Nice work Carl!
Should I be looking brining in Ablett at his low price? Will he dominate like the old GAJ now?
I'm rank 2200 and want to keep climbing..and I'm
Thinking the bye round is the time to strike. I'm only 3 players away from having full premo solid side


This is probably the last chance to get him if you haven't already, Jangles. BE of 70 this week with two big hundreds in his price cycle means he probably won't be this cheap again unless he gets injured.


paint the fence with Hartley and Kennedy to Collins and Zorko? Leaving me with 19 trades.


There are better value options than Zorko, so it all depends how many other upgrades you still have to make. I'm guessing quite a few since you have so many trades.


Zorko just refuses to get much cheaper. Lock him in.

I'm considering Kennedy to him as well.


Very good trades.


I'm bringing in either Hannebery or Parker, either this round or next.

Who'd you pick, superpremo or value? And think it'd be worth losing the points to pick up one of them up for ~10k less by waiting a week?


I have neither. I want Hanners by the end of the year. Not sure I want Parker.


Go Hanners, has scored over 100 in every game – only player in the league to do so this season I believe!

I've got Parker, and while I like him there is snog gap between his up and down games – Hanners more consistent.


Neale has scored over he ton in all but one early game when he scored 92. He is dearer than Hanners though. I have had Parker since round 1 and am leaning towards Neale for that reason and the upcoming byes.


Care of Parker, he and JPK compete for points


Here's my team Carl and community..Not sure what to do coming into bye rounds!!?? Thinking of Ablett or downgrading hall this week…thoughts???

Shaw, docherty, DJB, Bartell, tippa, pittard.
(Collins, Ruggles)
Pendles, danger, wines, Libba, Parker
Sloane, S. Mitchell. (Smith, keays)
Gawn, Nic Nat. (Grimes)
Buddy, Martin, Zorko, Wells, Hall, Petracca.
(Brown, Menadue)


What's your bye structure looking like with your team as it is? Given that you have Collins and 8 solid mids, I would advocate holding your trades this week in preparation for the byes. Hall is causing me headaches as well, but there are lots of people in the same boat – gotta hold him I reckon. For now anyway


Hewett will be rested mate, he's a young bloke who's had a big year and was just concussed. Bet the house on it!


Hmm what about Ben Ken? Did he play in the VFL?

I N Pieman

Love BVC's meme on Daniel "shit" Rich. God I know how that feels. He's useless. Can wait to get rid of him or shift him to the pine


i saw he was getting tagged on the weekend, why do coaches do that to that poor fella. he has very short arms and can't push them away.

i got Rich at D5 and Brodie at D6, was going to bring in Rance at D7 after his bye, with a non-playing rookie at D8 and try my best to loophole them for the rest of the year. hopefully 2 out of 3 will play ok.


Thanks I N Pieman i meant Collins.


Thoughts on kade stewart? 102k priced rookie, scored 90
How is his js?


Would not rate JS high at Hawks.

Jansen from Lions got 98 on debut, may keep his spot (assume he took it from Mathiespud) if he can back it up next week.


JS at Hawks is good 3 games. Once you play your 3rd you're cut.


Hawks fan here would expect JS to be pretty low..
Wouldn't surprise me to see him drop out for Langford this week.

ting tong falang

my sneaky thai slipper caught me doing the doggy the other night with the missus, after one too many beverages (lukes). What i thought to be a stamina performance turned out to be unfulfilling for the little lady, and she left promptly in the morning. oh well, i log on to the supercoach for a review of the weekend, only to find i'd dropped ranking. My sneaky thai slipper hopped on the bed with a grin..and he say me.. "khun tin tong…winning 50 grand like winning lady heart….you want come from behind win..you need more libido, more libido!". now u see community, my thai snlipper hab velly hard accent to understand. all day i wondered what he meant by "more libido"..it finally dawned on me the next night..more libido..more libido? he wasn't saying More Libido..he was trying to say Morabito! Morabito! Welcome…




Morabito probably the only bloke who could have a season ending injury putting on a pair of slippers.

He's more disappointing than you seem to be in the sack and, like your missus, rooted.

The Mountain

Tommy lee could be a chance with Goddard going down and he looks like he could be out for a while


thinking of getting rid of Byrne from Carlton to upgrade a defender but my problem is i only have 417k for a backmen

who is my best bet community T.Mcdonald or M.Suckling

and should i keep or trade hall


suckling looks the goods, average severely affected by that injury score


Suckling averaging 94 if u take his injured score out. Extra benefit too if you've still got a F/B rookie


Suckling. Had him since the start. Def/fwd was about to trade when murph went down. He has stepped up since then apart from injury.

Southern S

Byrne is only a BE of 29

Boltons blues

I'm ranked in the 4000 area and I'm worried about my cash generation on the bench, need some help, I just scored 2318 and beat the guy in my league whom was undefeated and ranked 25 in the Comp.

Shaw, laird, rance, docherty, Simpson, Byrne (Ruggles, Collins)

Danger, Ablett, Parker, Cripps, Sloane, Shiel, libba, Priddas (Dunkley, Davis, McPherson)

Gawn, goldy (cox)

Martin, wells, hall, Dahl, Kerridge AMT (petracca, grimley)

I have 14k and 14 trades left.
I'm thinking no trades this week, but this the lack of coin sitting on the bench there isn't much point trading them cause they still have more to make, the only one I can possibly see this week is Ruggles down to Lee if he gets a game

Need some help, thanks


this year cash is hard to generate, but we still need it to get to full premium. Squeeze every last cent out of the rookies that you can. you have mcpherson sitting there not making any cash for you, but only 14 trades left, probably can't trade him out at this stage.


Gday lads, would love a bit of feedback on my team.
Shaw, tippa, laird, dea, KK, Adams (Hartley, Collins)
Hanners, Parker, Ablett, Libba, Priddis, Danger, Wines, Kerridge (Smith, Keays, MacPherson)
Gawn, Nic Nat (Grimley)
Dahl, Zorko, Martin, Hall, Wells, Barlow (Petracca, menadue)

17 Trades and $135k in the bank.
Obviously backline is lacking and Dea hs to go this week. Will most likely go to Simpson but need to downgrade someone (Hartley or menadue) for this to be possible. Rockliff is also very tempting with wines not looking even slightly likely to crack a ton but don't want to get sucked in. Any thoughts appreciated


Thoughts community
DEF: Shaw, Simpson, Bartel, Adams, Laird, Suckling (Tucker, Collins)
MID: Danger, Parker, Ward, Selwood, Ablett, Libba, Priddis, Gray (Davis, Keays, Gore)
RUCK: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cox)
Forward: Dalhaus, Merrett, Dustin, Hall, Wells, Wingard (Petracca, Grimley)
Trades this week
Smith out for Selwood
AMT out for Suckling
I've decided to pull the trigger on both Smith and AMT as I am competing to get my team to full premo as quickly as possible
Both underpriced
13 trades left


What output are you expecting from suckling for the rest of the year?

Like the move to go a little early on Smith to go full premo. Only reservation with Selwood is his performance does deviate a little more with danger in the team, but he's definitely underpriced and a premo, shame he could score 70/80s instead of solid 90+s from years past.
Will you be getting pendles anytime during the season? Libba -> pendles near the end of the season?


Im ranked about 5k and have 100k in the bank my main concern is that i have 10 trades left is it worth me going early on Jansen/trengrove/stewart so that i can generate a lot of cash for post bye upgrades scored 2269 last week team is

DEF: Shaw, Docherty, Laird, Enright, Byrne, S.Collins (Ruggles, Tucker)

MID: Dangerfield, Hannerbery, Ablett, Ward, Shiel, Priddis, Zieball, Lewis (Hewett, Davis, Gresham)

RCK: Gawn, NicNat (Lorensch)

FWD: Dahlhaus, Martin, Hall, Boomer, Kerridge, Tipungwuti (Petracca, Wyatt)

was thinking of just using 1 trade this week to go Byrne—-> Suckling but as i said above is it worth going early on a couple rookies

would really love peoples thoughts


mate your team is shit house


You need to hold trades! At risk of not getting to full premium if you go early on guys who aren't on the bubble yet.

The Beard

Could someone please fill me in on Hall & Dalhaus break evens?

Also Zaharakas?

Thanks guys.


do people think nicnat will miss next week due to a broken nose? 🙁


Time to trade out KK or hold? 16 trades left and defence is still average….

Shaw, Rance, Rich, AMT, KK, S.Collins (Ruggles, Williams).


I'm trading him this week cut my losses and downgrade to Colin's I'm sick of playing him and my reserves score better


HOLD, wait till you have a premo team first


im holding til JJ comes back


I'm holding, but not happy at all. Wonder if this stomach problem he's got has caused his poor performance? Definitely seems underdone.


Yep, so two of his best scores have been when he was a late out and I got the emergency's score instead. Absolutely the worst so called premo I've ever started with and reminds me of it every week.

I'm just not sure what do with this bloke as I'm playing AMT and Adams also.

The Beard

Thanks mate.

So next question if Hall gets 50-60 again what's he drop?

The Beard

Also bloody shocked at Zaha's low B/E. Especially seeing he only dropped 22k with the crap he produced.

I was looking at getting him out now and planning Hall having a week to earn his stay or cut him out for Dahl.

Though I got 65k in the bank and was going to use 50k from McPherson to get the balance for Dalhaus. Though if he gets his breakeven which is a chance he's around 510-520k meaning I'd at max need Hall to drop no more then 20k to be safe. Looks so tight.


Selwood, Parker OR Gray to come in this week.. Who are we feeling community?


Parker could wait another week, but if you need one of them now, Selwood


You'd take Parker over Gray?


Selwood is the man to get in this week if you really need someone

Southern S

I like Gray.


I thought stefan Martin had a not bad game for a ruckman with 1 goal 6 kicks 7 handballs and 8 marks l didn't see the game but he must have been bad in the ruck contest. I'm still holding him as he's dropped to much cash for me to get anyone good . Hope his scores lift.


Agree, can't do much with him. Hopefully against Apeness he can score well this week.


Lower TOG than he had pre-concussion, and much more time spend resting forward to go with it. Looks increasingly like fitness is contributing as much as role change, with West in while he gets up and going again. Damn you Steve May!!

I'm backing him in to return to form post-bye too, but have a lot of doubts :/


I already have collins. Who else could I look at bringing in?


Could go early on Trengove I guess.


Jansen looks good if you are desperate. Otherwise wait until they are on the bubble.


wair for thursday, i think maitherson will get a game, did well in the seconds.


Agree with all of the above suggestions – Menegola had a good game in the seconds as well, might get a game around the cats bye


He's mid only yeah?
Thinking a week ahead. I have Hewett so could go him to Jansen. Then to bring in Jack Trengove I could pull the trigger early on Josh Smith (already made heaps), Ryan Davis (finally making money) or Darcy MacPherson (my loophole, but not breathing on the bench). WIll wait and see how Davis and Smith go this week. Thinking Hewett will be out after his head knock.


hey all,
im sitting around the 18k mark. i scored 2320on the weekend with a big donut from goldy. I just wanted to know what you think and if there is anything that stands out as a warning sign or need to upgrade anyone. i have 11 trades and 174k in the bank, my team is:

shaw, boyd, gibson, bartel, DBJ, B smith, (brand, tucker )
danger, ablett, shiel, Mitchell, crips, libba,parker, priddis, (hopper, mathieson,davis)
goldy, gawn (gorringe)
buddy,waite, wells, martin, kerrige, petracca, (cox, redman)
any help would be great.


Great work Big Carl! So many good cheap premo midfield options this week like Rockliff not sure who to get in. At the moment my midfield is:
Dangerfield, Hannebery, Pendlebury, Shiel, Ablett, Libba, Smith, Petracca (Hewett, Keays, Dunkley)
Planning to get rid of Smith and Hewett for Joyce (for loophole and swing) and a premo mid ($580,000 to spend)
Thoughts on who to get?


roary Sloane looks good but his bye is next week I'm bringing him in after most likely


Selwood, Gray, Ward are all good options. POD in Cotchin, scoring well this season.


Plenty of options. Consider Selwood, Gray, Parker, Priddis.Then Rocky is you're feeling like taking more risk.


I've cracked it community. Rage traded Zaka to Rocky and Hall to Wingard as soon as trades were possible last night. Holding up a mirror, 2 side trades in one week is plain bonkers. Will probably calm down, reassess, and make a wiser decision later in the week but these 2 were so, so bad.

I think the Zaka trade is a good one, can't have a premo be tagged out of the game and produce that rubbish. Not sure on the Hall trade though, don't really want to keep Hall and Green in the same forward line in the form they are in Seems risky.

Def line is good with Adams at D6, Mids are ok for now with Parish at M8 and Fwd line should be good with Green at F6 but is too inconsistent.



Sideways is okay if you are sure it is generating value for team (eg if youre sure zaka will continue recent form, and rockie is back to bear godhood, then lock it in)


It depends on your definition of a side-ways trade, as far as I'm concerned, Zaha to Rocky is an upgrade! Wingard is a risk as his early season form demonstrated. Sure, he might be value for money but could you do better? A lot of us have Hall, so at some point we all need to work something out.


It's almost got to the point where you've got to seriously consider Adams as a kerper at D6.
Don't reckon you'll get much better than a mid to high 80 average at D6 regardless.

Southern S

Agreed, especially for people that don't have a large team value, which seems to be a lot this year, good rookie prospects seem to be diminishing.


Tom Rockliff is like that best mate who your parents always warned you off as a bad influence! He is an awesome bloke, you have some great times but damn do you continually end up in the [email protected] !!!!

Bif G

That was deep


Rocky rocky why do u do this to me/us?
110-120 I could have dealt with and said yup good game but pass.
Now u pump out a 200 which should mean u r over your injuries but not only that but call it early!
That performance has at least gotta give the old Grey matter a bit of a work out.
Do I? Don't I? Pros and cons above by big Carl. Nice work.
Pieman I am tempted damn it!
Could go hall – rocky.

One other thing. How is the correlation between hall and Davis? Davis more mid time scores go up recently, hall less scores go down.

Don't Blush Baby'

Did anyone see AMT's hit on Mayne ? maybe looking at 3 down to 2 weeks suspension , that will take him up to his bye ,if so another decision to contemplate


Saw the hit DBB. Think you're right in saying 3 down to 2. Might get lucky and get 2 down to 1 but definitely a week for that. Woosha suggested that he'd be rested soon anyways (not sure why he'd wanna rest him so close to the bye but whatevs), so either way it looks like he'll miss at least one. I'm thinking of holding him unless a fwd rookie comes along that is too good to ignore. I like his consistent 70-80 on the bench as cover. Pretty good for a 102k investment IMO.


just a fine guys


Just a fine, will play this week


People should know to never guess what the MRP will do!


Hey community, have a bit of a conundrum.

I have a full premo midfield with; Danger, Pendles, Hanners, GAZ, Parker, Shiel, Libba, GAFF.

I have been trying ever so hard not to pull the pin on gaff, but scores of 64, 43, 79, 90 ,60 in his last 5 have made owning him extremely frustrating.

I have $330k in the kitty and 2 rookies to upgrade in defence and 1 to upgrade in forward. 17 trades left

Is it dumb to sideways to a Rockliff? Or should I just ride it out for longer in hope that he gets better.

As always love to hear the community's thoughts! 🙂


Got to explain the scores. Injured or role change or loss of synergistic players? If not he should come good. Having said that rockie ceiling is immense (but so is floor… zero)


Why not look at someone like Selwood as well? A little bit more cash, and probably less risk involved


Would be going straight to Lachie Neale if i were you


Hi Guys. As we know full premo asap is one of the first goals.I am hearing a lot of ;need 3 for Fpremo,2 for Fpremo etc. Can we consider the likes of Libba M8,Wells F6, DBJ D6, Chad and/or Hall F6 as full premo. Interested in your thoughts.

Rick Grimes

Wells is premo. Hall is F7. The Chad I'd rate as F6 on current output. Port are up and about now.


Hi Billioux.

My opinion of a premo is a reliable average of at least 100. I have Libba and he's not quite in my premo list but another week like last week would almost get him there, too many 80's in his scoring to have me fully convinced. DBJ is not a premo, he's a rookie that has been inconsistent but has been good enough to punch out 100's from time to time. Not someone i'd want to rely on in finals. Players like Wingard, Hall, Greene are all in the same boat IMO. Too inconsistent to be classed as a premo in my team but may come good before finals.



Thanks guys, I agree mostly Gherkin 100 is the number for F perhaps 110 for Mids. Not many Def will avg 100 so i was just pondering if a DBJ, Adams type can avg 80 is that good enough for D6?. Anyway that what makes the game great. Cheers.


Probably right Billioux. 100 average for a defender is almost ultra premo for the position. I've got Shaw (117 ave), Doc (107), Simpson (104), Bartel (96), Laird (93) and Adams (86). I don't consider Adams a promo but won't look to upgrade him until late in the season, and only them if I have trades to burn.

Happy to leave an Adams type at D6 if he can keep punching out 80s.

I rage traded Hall to Wingard on Sunday night. Not sure if i'll get more consistency with Wingard but i'm sick of Hall's poor scores.


Very good D line. That where i most weak Shaw,Gibbo,Rance,Mski (dont ask me y!) He goes to Collins this week,DBJ and the usual Ess suspects. Went De Goey to Chad last rd. Happy with my other other lines. Good luck 4 the rest of the season Gherkin.


Def = 95+, Fwd = 100+, Mid = 110+ average.

Libba can be, Halls is too injured, Wingard probably now he is warmed up. Wells certainly, unless injured ofc.


Definitely keep them all as f6…then wait for finals if have trades can trade them out


Can someone tell me what has happened to the Supercoach LiveHQ web sight?

Beady Eye

Shat the bed like most Herald Sun things do.


Data centre in Sydney went offline because of the storms


Rockliff, Selwood, Dahlhouse or Gray ?


Dahlhous is a forward, so unless you need a forward cross him off.

I have RGray and Rocky but not Selwood. already had Bartel, Blitz and Danger so thought another cat was too much. If that wasn't an issue i would have Selwood by now, he GUN.


Depends whether you want to worry about injury, forgetting how to play, paying too much, or chucking wobblies, respectively

Southern S

My thoughts exactly, which type of risk to take is down to the individual.


hey guys I have 14 trades left and I'm going tippa to Gibson, and I also want to get rid of grant birchall or hall but I think I might just hold and trade to somebody who just had a bye in a few weeks like simpson.


Hold your underperforming premos until their bye – especially as you are more than halfway through your trade allowance


yeah thanks jezza that's what I was thinking. might trade byrne jones to simpson then


What midfielder should I go with for 523k or under?? Already have Gray


Do you have Selwood?


Selwood. don't think, just do.


In favour of the rock?


Selwood. Lock.


I have just traded in Mitchell (Hawthorn) 440k as my m8. Might be a risk but he is a premo, last two scores in the 90's even with his hard tags.

Southern S

Don't like any of them, I'd probably paint the fence in a week or two, possibly get Jansen and/or trengove and lock in gun mids that are consistent.


Westhoff or Wingard community they're about the same price with the same avg of 85 wingard 8.3% teams where as westhoff is in 0.8% who should i select as my F6


Both great value. Hoff is top 8 fwd 2 years in a row.


I'm going for it with Rocky
Have Hopper and Keays for bench cover
Only problem, who to trade out?

Def: Shaw, Adams, Docherty, Laird, Tippa, DBJ, (Brown, Byrne)
Mid: Danger, GAJ, Parker, Pendles, Hannebery, Libba, Priddis, Hopper (Keays, Smith, McPherson)
Ruc: Goldy, NicNat (Grimley)
Fwd: Martin, Franklin, Barlow, Hall, Wells, Kerridge (Kennedy, Petracca)

Ranked 3300 need some PODs


Also thinking someone to Collins


Both Hopper, Keays, Smith have low breakevens. I'd go Keays, poorer team if you really need an option. Brown to Collins lock that in. If you decide to hold your mid rookies you could look at Kennedy to Zorko?


Can't do Keays
3.3k short
Can do that if I trade out Kennedy or Byrne out instead of Brown


then say bye bye to rocky

The Ranger

He's doing my head in again Trigger!
I could go Aaron Young to Rocky this week…


Top 8 mids?
Have Danger, Hanners, Pendles, Ablett, Priddis, Parker, Rockliff and Libba in my mids
Will get rid of Libba eventually and am thinking Selwood or Neale.


Those two or Robbie Gray.


Ward would also be around the mark.

Big G

Lachie Neale: great POD


A bit pricey though


missed boat on Neale, too expensive now.


Before last round, was ranked 263rd, however due to some big disappointing scores this week, I've dropped down to 808th, after my worst score of the year only scoring 2095. This is how my team sits

Back: Shaw, Docherty, Simpson, Bartel, Gibson, McDonald-Tip (Tucker, Williams)
Mid: Danger, Pendles, Parker, Ablett, Liberatore, Wines, J.Smith, Petracca (Hewett, Keays, Dunkley)
Ruc: Goldy, Nic Nat (Wyatt)
For: J.J.Kennedy, Martin, Montagna, Hall, Kerridge, Barlow (Paine, Long)

Got 16 trades left, with $470k in the bank, what to you guys suggest I do?
Cheers Guys


Hall to a PTA fwd. Find a way to replace a mid rookie with a rockie, selwood, gray type


Alright, I am ranked 397, with 17 trades left, I have a few possible trades with 1 a certainty in M.Brown to Sammy Collins, the others are;

George Hewett to Zach Merrett and then chuck him down front for Menaspud and downgrade him to Jansen or Stewart in a few weeks.
Zaharakis to Lachie Neale or Joel Selwood (opinions on which one to go for would be loved)
and Ollie Wines to Lachie Neale or Joel Selwood.

Thanks in advance


you are paying way over for Neale, he would have been good 3 weeks ago, missed him now compared to what Selwood could do for over $100k cheaper.

Stay well away from Ross


For Zaharakis or Ollie Wines though? I would say Zaha just because he is jumping around between 20 and 100 whereas Wines has been consistently 80-100. Thoughts?

Shake n bake

I knew this would get brushed under the carpet, I'm
still waiting for some expert to please explain Lairds


Short cheap kicks. Nothing contested.

Southern S

Effective kick 4 Points
Ineffective kick 0 Points
Clanger kick -4 Points
Effective Handball 1.5 Points
Ineffective handball 0 Points
Handball clanger -4 Points
Handball receive 1.5 Point
Hardball get 4.5 Points
Loose-ball get 4.5 Points
Goal 8 Points
Behind 1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession) 2 Points
Mark contested (maintaining possession) 6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition) 4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition) 8 Points
Tackles 4 Points
Free kick for 4 Points
Free kick against -4 Points
Hitout to Advantage 5 Points
Gather from Hitout 2 Points

For example, while other games will award points for a kick no matter how far it goes or where it's directed, Champion Data will award zero points for a kick that travels less than 40 meters to a contest.


Hi Southern. I still don't really understand. Are you saying that his DE of 83.3% does not apply to SC? That they have a different efficiency system? If so, that makes sense, although a little annoying, but I understand why his score was so low.

It doesn't actually explain that for a kick to be effective, it needs to go to a teammate or be at least 40m to a contest. That is where the confusion is i'd say. I didn't watch the game so I can't comment of his 'SC efficiency'.

Southern S

That's right it's a different efficiency system basically, and sometimes there will a large discrepancy between the scores due to details that the fantasy stats don't include.

I look at the stats on the AFL website and I'm surprised that he only got a 74 too, but I highly doubt they rig the scores as some assume. The information above is directly from the supercoach website/app in the help section.

Laird's stats

11 kicks – technically could be worth zero (if he kicked short kicks out of the back goal square after a minor score there would be zero points for a receive or gather also)

19 handballs – with a receive or gather for each handball these could be worth only 57 points. That's also if CD saw them all as 100% effective, if not then subtract 1.5 points for each one that wasn't.

Thing is he might've gone 100% by foot according to the AFL website, yet SC could've scored them as zero due to the distance of them. This would leave his handballs at a lower efficiency of 60-70%, so we might have to drop the handball score of 57 down to 48 or so. (6 handballs ineffective)

Plus two of those handballs could've been his clangers (turnovers) we don't know.

2 Clangers – Negative 8 points

8 uncontested marks from team mates – 16 points

Free kick – Plus 4

That's a worse case scenario (also quick and rough) look at his scoring.

60 points I get, let's give him 14 points for the kicks and you have 74. I'd assume the scoring was right for Laird.

And yeah it sucks cos I own him lol.


Thanks for all the time you put into answering questions from the community. Helped me with the enigma that sometimes is the supercoach scoring system. Next season i will be avoiding any serial short kickers i think.

Southern S

Thanks and no problems Smote.

Maybe taking it easy with a bit of confidence lacking due to his injured toe?

I'd put it down to an anomaly anyway just like Goldstein's 49, unlikely to do everything wrong for supercoach scoring in another game.


I was a bit surprised by his score as well – had to go to fanfooty to find out after the HS site was down for two days. Thought he had a fair bit of it after sitting a lot of the first quarter on the bench. I think Mac in his reply has nailed the reason for his low score. Also, the Crows would have been trying to ease him into the game after his layoff. Noticed him on the ground after the match with his left leg heavily iced but expect (hope ) he will be alright for next week. Expect his output and contested possessions and marks to improve as he gets back to match fitness.


Community, any thoughts on trades plz, i have 14 trades left with 30 k in the bank

def- shaw, simpson, laird, gibson, pittard, DBJ( ruggles, collins)
mid- danger, pendles, parker, shiel, priddis, mitchell, liberatore, keays, ( davis, macpherson, dunkley)
ruc- gawn, nic nat(goertz)
fwd- martin, montagna, hall, barlow, zorko, j kennedy( petracca, mcgovern)


Made a small mistake last week of trading in Mathieson, and not noticing that he was out. I'm pretty confident that he'll get back in the team, especially considering Brisbanes current form. Im trading AMT down to Collins this week, and am probably going to upgrade keays/smith to Rockliff next week to complete my midfield.

Team looks like this:

Shaw, Docherty, Simpson, Laird, KK, Adams. (Collins, DBJ)

Dangerfield, Neale, Pendelbury, Ablett, Selwood, R. Gray, Liberatore, Hopper. (Smith, Keays, Mathieson)

Naitanui, Gawn (Chol)

Zorko, Merrett, Hall, Wells, Kerridge, Petracca. (Cox, Menadue)

I'm hoping Hall has a couple of weeks off soon to rest up and then come back firing. I'm going to hold KK all season unless he gets an LTI. Other than those two "issues" im pretty happy with my teams progress, only 13 trades left, but im content.


I saw some signs from KK on the weekend he's was starting to get back to his best


Kennedy or Brown out?
If it's brown then I have to trade Smith out instead of Keays


what about Kennedy AND Brown?


Then I can't get rocky because Kennedy is in my fwd


there is always a way, show your team!


Def: Shaw, Adams, Docherty, Laird, Tippa, DBJ, (Brown, Byrne)
Mid: Danger, GAJ, Parker, Pendles, Hannebery, Libba, Priddis, Hopper (Keays, Smith, McPherson)
Ruc: Goldy, NicNat (Grimley)
Fwd: Martin, Franklin, Barlow, Hall, Wells, Kerridge (Kennedy, Petracca)


you already have Rocky? see post above – Have Danger, Hanners, Pendles, Ablett, Priddis, Parker, Rockliff and Libba in my mids


Sorry about that
That would be after trades


i see what you mean, no DPP in the midfield.


having a look at the top 40 ranked players, one thing stands out to me the most, and that is the total team values.

on average, the top 40 team values are about $13.1mil.

This weeks winner had a value close to $13.3mil.

i look at my team value and see it is only $12.6mil. (but still have 17 trades left)

Unfortunately we can't see how many trades the high ranked players have left, we could see if they have traded their ass off to get the high value team and are hanging on by a thread. I always try and squeeze every last cent out of my rookies, but even then i'm a fair way off the leaders when it comes to value.

i have always said that we need at least $14mil to get to proper 'Full Premium' and i think that is still the case. I just didn't realsie how close the high ranked players were.

For the high ranking players in the community, id love to know your Team Value + rank + how many trades left, just to get an idea of how the top players might have gotten to $13+mil already.


I'm at 12.7mill dropped back to 900 rank. To me they've just traded hard. Jumped on inform players but mainly all their players are in form, that's why they're up there. Almost thrown in the towel can't seem to score with a team I've convinced myself is A1


I'm at 13.1mil with 17 trades left after last weekend but the problem is I am ranked 3300


Ranked 784 – total team value is $12.93 mil with 19 trades left. I've climbed 1,133 spots in the last three weeks and my team value has only gone up by about 160k-ish. Also depends on who is playing or not. I suspect a lot of the top players who have Goldy would have increased their total team value last week by upgrading a rookie to a Tippett/Lycett-type to avoid a zero and preserve their ranking.


I am at 12.9m with 19 trades left but only 5k in bank, I have only 2 premo mids to get and 1 or 2 for backline and forwards. I am about 18000th


plenty of trades left. i can see you flying home second half of the year


I'm ranked at just under 1700 and have 18 trades left, with a team value of 12,625,400. I agree with Jezzahill that it dependz on who is playing and who isn't for points and team value. I held Laird on the bench for 4 weeks and have traded rookies before their peak in value. I've paid overs on a few premium players just to get then in the side when I needed cover for injuries.


Ranked 179 – but as you suspect been trading my ass off so only 13 trades left. $13.3 Mil


great rank and great team value. hopefully you are close to a full team with only 13 trades left.

i worry about injuries this year in the second half of the year. Goldy & NicNat good examples. I think DPP, strong bench cover and loophole players will be essential to success this year.

I had Motlop at F7/M9 from about round 15 last year, with a non-playing rookie to loophole with. He finished the year on fire. You need to find a Motlop type


Nice suggestion on Motlop Derek – I am 3 from full premo, good swing sets but need to manipulate the midfield to activate those again. Nicnat a worry this week. I went without Goldy. Have cox as coverage for now.


2360th with 17 trades, 44k & 12.8m team value


I'm ranked 441 with 18 trades left, value 13mil plus change. I've still got 7 of my original rookies – M Adams, AMT, M Brown, Hewett, Kerridge, B Kennedy and Menadue. B Kennedy becomes Collins this weekend with AMT going forward to open up that DPP link again. I have so many fwd/mids (like most I suppose) I really feel the need to have fwd in my mids again. That link for cover and trading purposes is gold. I think the other trade this week is an upgrade to try to stay with the leading pack.


That question has generated some excellent info Derek. My team is at $12.98 but holding a few injured players has cost me dearly through rounds 5-8. Had a stinker in round 8 and fell 10k places. So a team value of just on $13m is no guarantee!! Starting to claw my way back. Have focused on getting the best rookies every time they are on the bubble and holding them, not jumping the gun after they've played one game.


thanks Maestro. i had the same stinker rounds. held Rocky, Wingard & laird and BCrouch, even Rich, JPK and Barlow were on my bench at times and pumped out two sub 1900 scores to end my season.

team looks good now and i'm planning to cause some trouble in the big leagues i'm in, a few of them i started the year 0-8, and have won the last 3.


Hey Derek, I'm currently ranked 201, team value is 13.175 mil and I have 17 trades left. I've been reading your input here for a while now, so feel obligated to try and give what little I have to offer to say thanks, not just to you, but to the whole community. The big difference for me this year was getting the right rookies at the start. Have made three injury related trades, held laird, but not Rocky. Am trying to run my team like a business, don't trade your rookies till they are plump and never pay top $ for premiums, pick your targets and get them when they are at their cheapest, I haven't made one upgrade this year just because I had the cash to spend and have had several weeks with upwards of 400k just sitting in the kitty. Clearly this is all mixed in with a little bit of luck, and many, many hours of research. Most of this you already know, but I hope there is something in this that helps someone, cheers.


Nice one Turtle – around similar rank and this year with starting rookies I only had to make one corrective trade in first three rounds which I had never managed before. Also similar trading method by placing a high importance on the undervalued rather than chasing points. I have used the paint the fence method almost every week in a quest to get to full premo ASAP. Therefore I have only 13 left. Hours of research yes, Luck absolutely but could just about be out of that now NicNat on crutches.


excellent work turtlecoach, love the name – slow and steady!

keep going, you can challenge for the top spot which is very exciting. i was 46th overall last year with 2 rounds to go and still 2 trades in hand (300 off top), was very exciting.

i love what you said about running the team like a business – brilliant!

your strategy is very similar to mine, get the right rookies and squeeze every cent you can out of them, hold trades, buy keepers cheaper than their starting price, but also know who you are going to get (or at least a very short list)

Your team value is excellent, and you still have trades left. Id love to see your full team.


Thanks Derek, team is:
Shaw Docherty Simpson Laird Adams Byrne (Hartley Brown)
Peddles Danger Ablett Ward Priddus Parker Libba Smith (Hewlett Keays macpherson)
Gawn Nicnat (Chol)
Zorko Lids Wells Wingard Hall Kerridge (amt Petracca)


no shit??


Here's my team
DEF: Shaw, Simpson, Gibbo, Adams, KKolo, DBJ (Collins, Broad)
MID: Hanners, Danger, Ablett, Jelwood, Shiel, Steven, Libba, Smith (Keays, Davis, Macpherson)
RUC: Gawn, Martin (Currie)
FWD: Zorko, Dusty, Barlow, Hall, Wells, Kerridge (Tippa, Petracca)

16 trades left and 116K in the bank. Do I trade or do I hold ?


Hold this week I reckon – even with Steph Martin

Bobby Singh

Trade Greene, Hall or Kerridge to Gray?

Southern S



AMT free to play!!!


A bit of a surprise that he got away with it and Hawkins didn't


you don't punish the predator or he will hunt you next time you go hiking in the forest


The MRP loves our boy Walla. That hit on Danger was probably a few weeks too, thanks MRP!


Hoping Brown gets dropped!
That would really help me out


Same. Or either Ben Ken/George Hewett out


Just for interest. Is Majak daw viable if named? Has a 90 average and a negative break even. Ruck/Fwd, $243,600.
Job security is sketchy to say the least,

Southern S

Job security is sketchy to say the least,



Nah. North won't play Goldy, Brown, Daw in the same team


Community, any thoughts on trades plz, i have 14 trades left with 30 k in the bank

def- shaw, simpson, laird, gibson, pittard, DBJ( ruggles, collins)
mid- danger, pendles, parker, shiel, priddis, mitchell, liberatore, keays, ( davis, macpherson, dunkley)
ruc- gawn, nic nat(goertz)
fwd- martin, montagna, hall, barlow, zorko, j kennedy( petracca, mcgovern)


Hold this week


184K in the bank, just 11 trades (I'll never learn) – what are my priorities? Team below:

Shaw, Docherty, Simpson, Laird, Bartel and Boyd. S Collins and B Williams

Danger, Pendles, Gaz, Parker, Hunter, Libba, Mitchell, and J Smith. Oliver, R David and Macpherson.

Gawn and Goldy. Chol.

Dahl, Waite, Kerridge, Wells, De Goey, AMT. Petracca and Grimley.


Priority number one would be to hold this week! Also only target rookies who are on the bubble from now on with solid JS

The Ranger

Do I turn Aaron Young into Selwood or Rocky?

Southern S

Last 4 games of each player.

Young. 102, 86, 118, 95.

Selwood 150, 82, 72, 69.

Rockliff 204, 0, 0, 0

Not a huge fan of either trade myself, sure I'd have Selwood or Rocky in the place of Young but I wouldn't be in any rush to do it.

Rocky could fall apart at any time and Selwood hasn't been pumping out huge scores in the last month.

Southern S

Last 4 weeks for each player*


Hold until his bye

The Ranger

I'm trying to Jezza but his BE has hit 84 and I don't want to see him drop coin while the other two gain it.
This might be the last time I can go straight from Young to a real premo with only a 50k spend.


True. It depends on how many trades you have left I suppose! Still a good trade regardless of whether you do it now or not – I'd go Selwood personally

The Ranger

18 left and 90k in the bank. Leaning toward Selwood if I do trade, partly due to the skin grafts I'm still paying for from last years Rocky experience and partly due to Geelongs draw.

Southern S

Young won't drop bugger all cash with a BE of 84, in the last 4 games he's scored over that BE anyway not sure what you're worried about.

The Ranger

He's playing well but he's still Aaron Young not Selwood or Rocky.
And as I said above this week may well be the closest they are in price. Young has had five good rounds but also has scores of 59, 65 and 66.
Not sold on the trade, just mulling it over in the usual early in the week fashion.


When JJ gets back should we be looking at him in our backline?

Southern S

Probably, but not the week he gets back.


Space left in my team for him.


Surely you have more pressing issues than something that is 5+weeks away lol


Here is my team:

Defenders- Laird, Smith, Bartel, Shaw, Rich, Tippa, Brown, Brand

Midfielders- Ablett, Danger, Parker, Selwood, Priddis, Gray, Libba, Wines, Ben Ken, Smoth, MacPerson

Ruck- Gawn, Nic Nat, Cox

Forawards- Franklin, Martin, Wells, Barlow, Hall, Kerridge, Petracca, Menadue

14 trades and no money in the bank. Also ranked 16937 and team galue is just over 30 million.

Regretting picking up Franklin did not expect Dahlaus to suddenly go so cheap so quickly… Also I still do not have Zorko. Wines to Rocky is really tempting this week. If Rocky goes 130 how much will he increase? Rich and Hall are starting to shit me but I guess I have to hold and hope they come good. Brown to Collins is probably a lock for me and I would probably want to get rid of Ben Ken if he plays. Any trade suggestions are welcomed.

Southern S

Franklin has one low score of 69, the way he's playing this year he could pump out a big score at any time.

You talk about Dahlhaus going down, yet if you'd picked him you'd also be regretting it with his 69 score this week.

Rocky is projected a 104 and a 20k increase, no rush to jump on such a risk.


I am saying if I held and traded in no one then I could bring in Dahlhaus this week or the next once he drops fully. I may have to pass on Zorko this year and maybe get him down the track for Hall or Barlow if they are not constistent because Dahl is too consistent and too cheap to ignore. I think I will pass on Rocky this week 30k tops is not too much.