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PODCAST – The Johannisen Dilemma

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We kick straight into this week’s BIG ISSUE – what do we do with bloody Top Deck Johannisen?

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Chicken Dinner

Paps and Top Deck out, Leks man Doc in with Hyphen

Davo

my exact plan

LEKD0G

I LIKE IT!

Ethan

cockatoo or byrne/byrne-jones/wagner

breakevens

Byrne-Jones

Southern S

Both byrnes if you want two.

Kang Van Der Bang

Hi community,

appreciate your feedback on the below:

GOOD move or BAD move?

Papley – OUT
Johannisen – OUT

S.Mitchell – IN
Darcy BJ – IN

Chill

like. although be wary Sam could finish the year averaging 105-110. Don't chase last week's points. There are cheaper players who will finish higher in my opinion.

Foot's ballers

Solid mate, but when the paps poops a ton next round and his BE goes subterranean, you'll be crying in your milkshake like the other 10%. I'd hang on a round as theirs nothing to loose. NO BANG BANG

BlakeyP

You will be the cryin mate if you hang onto Papley. His scores where in swans big wins. The swans team now is different to 4 weeks ago with some of there guns back. Papley will be lucky not to get dropped this week take the 120k and pick up a def rook on the bubble

Pete

Insane and makes no sense Foot's baller, Papley has a breakeven 62 – Granted his first two games were HUGE however his past 2 games have been a shocking 46 & 24.

If he scores another 40 odd his breakeven sky rockets to between 85 to 100 – I would hold him if Byrne-Jones wasn't on the bubble but the fact is we need to cash in and bring in these players, I personally didn't have JJ but the Pap smear to Byrne-Jones is a DONE deal for me this week. PERIOD.

Southern S

He wasn't up to it in a high intensity game against an in form adelaide. He's still young and will come good over time no doubt.

This week it's WCE. Goodbye for now paps.

Tophawk

Hear hear. It is the only trade I am making this week. Papley to make way for DBJ via dpp. And there is a mini trade within that trade as Tippa will now be forward and Adams and Brown in backline. Broken these 3 guys up from the backline.

JamiesNinjas13

Just a little warning about Sam Mitchell based on my experiences.
Will never play 22 games and will be rested near the end of the season (supercoach finals)
In games that hawks smash the opposition (especially near the end of the season), Mitchell will go sleep in the last quarter.
Same deal with Hodge, this is how the hawks deal with older players to keep them fresh for finals.

Foot's ballers

Thanks Pete and BlakeyP
The Eagles are a concern, however, the next 3 rounds after are Bris, Ess, Rich, BANG, BANG & BANG
Obviously, if he doesn't get selected anywhere in-between he's gone.

I'm trading Shezza direct for DBJ and keep my FOR-DEF DPPs at opposite ends of the ground for grater flexibility.

@wheels_1987

you want a premo who is on the down, not one that has reached max price

reconsider on Mitchell

Tommy

If there weren't so many players on the bubble this week, i would keep him. But DBJ seems to have better job security and, is looking like he will make a ton of cash after this weekend.

Luke

Just a terrible move

Jacko

Fantastic fellas! #BangBang

@wheels_1987

#bangBang

Koovie

Johannisen for Laird or Rance ?

tuxCS

I prefer Laird, however more people have him than Rance, so if you're looking for a slight POD then go for Rance.

BlakeyP

Ownage about the same Laird is owned by 16% and rance is own by 15% so neither are a POD. With that just pick the one you like most. I like laird

Southern S

Seen this mentioned a couple of times, really strange people say it because the % of team ownership is on supercoach.

breakevens

Laird, Rance is a key defender who makes too many clangers and thanks to one massive score everyone is jumping on the wagon

Southern S

He's been a pretty consistent supercoach scorer for several years now that saying he's high priced at the moment because of a solid 2015 and start to the season.

Southern S

He's made 1 clanger, 2 clangers twice and then had one game with 6 clangers. I wouldn't say too many clangers is an accurate description.

@wheels_1987

Rance

absolute contested BEAST

@winterjames5

hello community this is my team. I have 96k in the bank, ranked 6000 and 28 trades in the bank

Houli, Laird, Adams, Weitering, Dea, Sheridan (Cutler, Ruggles)

Dangerfield, Ablett, Hannebery, Priddis, Gray, Shiel, Taylor Adams, Parish (Davis, Hewett, Gresham)

Gawn, Nic Nat (Lorench)

Hall, Wells, Kerridge, BenKen, AMT, De Goey (Menadue, 102k rookie)

My trades I was thinking of were:
1. sheridan + cutler ———> Byrne-jones + Byrne this option leaves 500k in the bank but means i still have de goey and a weak DEF

2. sheridan + de goey ——–> DBJ + zorko leavs me with about 90-100k left in the bank my forward line will be stronger but means I have to play cutler d3

3. sheridan + T.adams ——-> DBJ + Fyfe 17k left in the bank it would mean my mids are basically full premo

4. Sheridan + De goey ——-> fantasia + Yeo/rich/suckling/savage/biggs this option leave me with little bank but my backs will be stronger

5. Any other suggestions community

Average Joe

Sheridan + Cutler —> Byrne-Jones, Z Merrett/Franklin/Zorko

swing AMT into def and play him on field

Pinidu

Cutler –> Byrne Jones, pocket the cash and build a war chest. Trading Sheridan/Adams/De Goey is unnecessary at this stage, you are in a strong position in terms of ranking and trades in hand…don't waste it; remember,
SuperCoach is a marathon, not a sprint.

@winterjames5

thanks lads will be doing either cutler to DBJ and Sheridan to Zerret bank the 115k an hope De goey can pull out another big score so he goes up in price, if he spuds up will be able to upgrade

matt

you hate sheridan huh haha.
freo play carlton this week.
sheridan could score quite well

Average Joe

Papley –> Z Merrett
Crouch –> Byrne-Jones

@winterjames5

which crouch

Pinidu

If that's Brad Crouch – good trade, Matthew Crouch – unnecessary trade.

Boltons Blues

rumours circulating that brad crouch can be back this week
hold and wait
even if not selected this week, hold still

@wheels_1987

i know they are doing well but avoid these bombers players

u missed them

dont be a dog, chasing a car

the reason you didnt already have Merrett in your team is the same reason you should avoid

Southern S

Yep no point trading crouch now, Just do Papley to DBJ for now.

breakevens

Ben Kennedy breakeven of 56 and Mills breakeven of 20
This will most likely be the last cash rise for Ben Kennedy so I'm think next week upgrade him to ultra premo midfielder

Mac

It only takes one good game for Kennedy's BE to drop again. Hold.

BlakeyP

Next week and the earliest for kennedy trade. He will at least hit his BE and give him a chance to get another big one to start cash generation again

Rooster

"Breakevens"
You may need a new title – as given the content of many of your recent posts you don't seem to have a very good grasp of the how the breakevens work and fluctuate. Kennedy would only require a reasonable score of 80ish this week to see him in a strong position to generate significant $$ in the coming weeks. Once his 50 and 64 drop off his last 3 scores he has the potential to again appreciate in value again. All it would take is a couple of 80+ scores for Kennedy BE to again drop and him to make some more $$. I don't think it is impossible that Kennedy could go 80+ in the coming weeks. He is still getting plenty of the footy just needs to lift his DE for his scores to again increase.

@wheels_1987

see what score Kennedy gets this week then decide

if he gets 100 you wont be trading so this question is pointless

tom

I kept daniel rich because I'm a weapon.

breakevens

good form

Pinidu

Great disciple there mate. And it paid off!

Southern S

Averaging 85. Weapon.

derek

the Rich haters have been very quiet this week

tuxCS

The reason why i will never pick Daniel Rich in my supercoach side is because he can't handle a tag. He gets a couple of good damaging games together and then the opposition starts tagging him. Save yourself the headache and get a premium.

Southern S

Yep, never been a proven premo, only time to get him is if under priced ie 300k and use as a stepping stone.

His price this year was in line with his whole career as a footballer.

Southern S

I haven't been quiet, as you can see by my above comment sarcastically calling him a weapon.

Hasn't made any profit, isn't a keeper and Rocky about to come back and take his mid time.

Jai

Disagree… Name the blokes you'll have in front of him by seasons end??

Southern S

Rance, Houli, Laird, Simpson, Gibson, Docherty, Shaw, Biggs, Suckling, Burgoyne, Birchall, Smith, Enright, Bartel. Probably more too.

Even possibly Adams and Weitering.

Rich has averaged 85 or less since 2009. Except had one year of 90 average in 2012.

Averaged 80 over 2014/2015 not sure why people rate him it's a joke.

Randomclcihe

Yeo and even Dea!

Scotchie

is this the weapon I know?

@wheels_1987

same bro

#yearoftherich

Randomclcihe

I held Rocky! Welcome back weapon.

Jedd

Thoughts on my team community
Shaw, Laird, Sherridan, Weitering, Adams, Dea (Brown, Hartly)
Fyfe, Dangerfield, Priddis, Pendlebury, Gray, Libba, Mills, Kerridge ( Gresham, Davis, Keyes)
Nic Nat, Gawn (Grimely)
Barlow, Martin, Hall, Kennedy, Wells, Tippa (Menadue, Papley)

What do you reccomend I do?

breakevens

Lineup looks very settled
You don't have top deck so hold your trades this round

JamiesNinjas13

Solid team there Jedd, you don't need to trade anyone at this stage. Maybe Gresham needs to go for a bubble rookie if you want to get your M9 cash generation going.

derek

if you were holding keays hoping he would get a game, i would be a little worried if he doesn't get picked this week. his form in the seconds has been very good but still hasn't been picked, in a team that has been missing rocky, Rich and Beams over the last few weeks.

Maitherson will be over his check injury soon and will be pushing for a spot, maybe when Keays gets to the bubble.

@wheels_1987

Papsmear out

Sherridan out

Foot's ballers

What about Sheridan for DBJ? Shezza has not been what I hoped for. Downtrade as crouching one says

Jedd

Welcome

Tom

Who is the communities replacement for johannison in the backline, comment who you bringing in

Pinidu

I don't have him but I would recommend Houli, Laird, Simpson, Gibson and Shaw as your targets. We don't know who you have right now so it's difficult to assist.

Southern S

I'd take Docherty over Houli in a heartbeat, consistent, and has a higher total score for the season than Houli but is 50k cheaper.

Northernsoul74

Pretty open question as depends n everyone's individual team. Some will downgrade, some will upgrade, some will look for value and sideways.

Banksie700

bryne-jones

derek

Heath Shaw if you have the cash

@wheels_1987

Z.Dawson

Tommy

Docherty

Noigerbour

Wrong

tuxCS

So regarding BenKen, if he gets another 60-80 next week, do we hold him for one more and hope that he gets a ton? We know he's capable.

Pinidu

I guess it depends on his BE as well as possible downgrade targets. If his BE is below 90 and there are no obvious downgrade targets then there's no rush to burn a trade.

I just hope Petracca starts to play soon…

Southern S

Yep his BE is 56, even if he gets a 40 he won't bleed much and better to have given him a chance than to trade him out and regret it later.

derek

the old heads of supercoach always keep rookies until their BE is greater than there average.

Crowmagnon

are you getting any of the bubble boys this week Derek? If so who are you trading out?

Derek

Only if Paps not named. Otherwise holding

Seem to have enough defence rookies

bAps

I'm keeping him til for this round and next, then trading him to a premo mid in round 7

Leeds17

HOLD imo

@wheels_1987

he is in my midfield so i will look to trade him into my forwards and upgrade a lower ranked rookie to a premo

will have to wait and see this monday thought

discussions about Ben Ken now are ultimately pointless

Adam

Hello Community,

I have a serious issue in the likes of Sammy Gray.

I want to trade him because i feel i that with his BE of 129, his current pricing and other premos pricing that this will be the last round i will be able to get a Zach Merrett or Buddy Franklin without trading off any value in another position (such as a improving rookie or a super premo) as i will have 100K spare after Papley to DBJ and am considering another trade instead.

On the other hand, after Geelong, the Power play the Tigers, Carlton, Brisbane, West Coast, Collingwood and Melbourne in that order and taking into consideration S.Gray kills it on games Port win and the fact that they play 5 weak teams in the next 7 games makes me feel that S.Gray could really lift his form and start producing.

So I guess my question to you, the Community is , do you think it is worth holding Gray and wait until he bleeds beyond saving in hope that he will redeem himself or will it be too late if i dont do the trade now?

Thanks in advance

tuxCS

AS Patch said, Z.Merrett is the real deal this season, get rid of the stress and trade sam gray out for him.

@winterjames5

you clearly selected him to be fwd keeper and his form is bad just give him some time and he will come good when port get back to playing good footy, just look at barlow started poor but pulled out 99 and 81 last 2 weeks

Kev

I've got the same problem, Adam. At his price there are no sideways options, so it will take a good 100-150k to turn him into a keeper (I have plenty of options as I have BK in my mids). Was leaning towards keep for the reasons you mentioned.

On the other hand, his contested numbers are way way down compared with his purple patch towards the end of last year. Wines was out injured when Gray hit form and his return has pushed Gray out of the coalface. Doesn't help that he butchers the footy either.

Still on the fence with this one!

Southern S

The next 4 rounds for port are Geelong, Richmond, Brisbane and Carlton.

They lost to those 4 teams last year. Hold at your own peril port are not mentally there at the moment not blaming the players only something is wrong.

Spifflicator

This x2 Port are off, they didn't even put up a Yelp last week. I'm turning him to Merret.

Adam

Okay Community, i have decided that i have three options for the Sammy Gray Dilemma

Option 1 Gray to Lyons (Downgrade) or Merrett (Upgrade), Papley to Bryne Jones
Kitty 1.5K for upgrade, 289K for downgrade

Option 2 Gray to Fwd Premo (Merrett) or Mid Super Premo (Ablett/Hannebery/Mitchell), Lonergan to Byrne Jones

Option 3 Hold Gray Papley to Byrne jones (via Adams)
Kitty 109K

So Community, which option do you think is the best?

Southern S

Liking option one assuming Papley not named. Even if named I'm inclined to boot him, looks out of his depth.

Southern S

I took the risk with Lyons but it could backfire who knows.

He is predicted to go up 37k though with only a projected score of 50, so could be a good stepping stone if it works out.

Adam

what about Lyons Job security?

I thought someone was injured for him

Southern S

Crouch came out of the team with a hammy injury.

Hard to say who's going to be dropped as Lyons had a great game vs richmond the week before and an ok one vs the swans.

Atkins is likely to be fighting with lyons for a spot and he had a poor game vs richmond but a good one last week.

This is why the Jarryd Lyons pick could backfire.

Adam

Anybody know how long Crouch is out for

Sarah

Could return this week.

@wheels_1987

Sam Gray has never been a premo

not sure why so many got on the bandwagon but you need to be rid of him

avoid the essendon players

Leeds17

Imo he's a premo forward if played on the ball and not even an AFL standard player if played elsewhere.

Leeds17

S Gray very much on the chopping block this week but I want to see where he's named if on the ball I'd be tempted to roll the dice on him as Geelong still aren't great with clearances, he's completely irrelevant is he's not playing as a rover though.

CJudd3Votes

Weekly internal dilemma this week is regarding short term pain for long term gain. I could trade out Grimley who i started with in my fwd for Cieran Byrne via Marcus Adams DPP, however after doing similar moves like this i would then have all three of Brown, Adams and Tippa Fwd and be left having to play one of Ruggles, Byrne-Jones & Byrne on the field.
Sitting in top 1% atm and am wanting to keep a high ranking but debating whether the long term cash generation would outweigh the point sacrifice for the next two rounds until i look to do some upgrading. Thoughts?

Northernsoul74

How many trades have you used?

CJudd3Votes

Used 5 atm

Adam

who is your ruck reserve?

If Cox, consider switching cox forward if named, if not named administer trade into another fwd rookie or mid rookie (if you have a mid DDP) because you should keep a fwd/def as a loophole and you already have too many defensive rookies

derek

have you tried doing the trade using a mid/fwd and then a def/mid swing?

@winterjames5

don't mind the trades i would personally keep paps but if you don't think he can make much more it's a good trade

out of the three premo's i would go smitch or you could get a POD in ward, or wait a week or to to get priddis who has a be of 160

Pinidu

Thanks mate. I'll definitely do the Papley trade this week, I think I'll need to either flip a coin or analyse the draw to decide the premium mid. Priddis will come down next week so I might as well just wait.

Pinidu

Community, I have 375K in the bank and am looking to make two trades this week:

Papley –> Byrne Jones (Via A. McDonald Titingwuiti DPP)
L. McCarthey –> Priddis/S. Mitchell/Gray

Firstly, could I have your thoughts on my trades and then which one of the premium midfielders you think I should buy…I currently have the Big 4: Fyfe, Danger, GAJ and Pendles in my midfield.

Thanks in advance.

tuxCS

I feel like mitchell may be rested against lower tier opposition. Priddis and Gray are both fantastic players, either see which players bye rounds fit in with your team well or who has the easiest run home. If that doesn't do it for you then flip a coin.

Pinidu

Thanks tuxCS, I hadn't thought about Mitch being rested so thanks especially for that.

Just wondering….should Mat Priddis be head or tail? 🙂

tuxCS

Go for tails there mate 😉

derek

Don't get SMitchell. Missed the boat and he plays for the hawks. will be rested.

Priddis and Gray both very good selections, however you will be able to get both cheaper in a week or two. i would wait.

@wheels_1987

Priddis has had a week off but Gray had a bad week

can you hold one more week before trading?

Marco_Polo94

Extremely happy with my team so far. Don't want to change anything, however if Paps isn't named I will be trading him to Byrne Jones. Seen a few people posting saying Rance isn't a good selection. You don't trade in Rance because he scored 146 last week, you trade him in because he has averaged 88, 96, 97 last 3 years – proven premium defender. Doesn't matter that he is a key defender, SC scorers love the bloke.

tuxCS

I agree 100% with you there Marco.

derek

he is now only $17k cheaper than Heath Shaw. I know who i would get

Marco_Polo94

I'd get Shaw over him too, just defending rance

Mongrel punt

Hey Marco how do you trade Papley for Byrne-Jones. ?

tuxCS

Hey Mongrel, you can do it via the DPP trading strategy.

For this example i will be trading Papley to Bryne-Jones, and for this to work you MUST have a DEF/FWD DPP player in your backline, I'm going to assume you have AMT and i will use him in the example as well.

Step 1: Press the trade button on Papley.
Step 2: Once on the trade page, press the big "S" on whichever DPP player (AMT) you want to sub into your forward line.
Step 3: Now the only spot left in your team will be 1 in your backline. This enables you to trade in a defender.

@wheels_1987

Rance is a great pick, i would get him for sure

min0008

Thoughts on my team community

Def: Shaw, Laird, Bartel, Weitering, Dea, Adams (AMT, Brown)
Mid: Dangerfield, Ablett, Pendlebury, Parker, Wines, Libba, Mills, Kennedy (Gresham, Hewett, Davis)
Ruc: Martin, Nic Nat (Loersch)
Fwd: Martin, Barlow, Hall, Wells, Kerridge, Papley (Menadue, McCarthy)

Have 36k in bank and 28 trades left and don't know what to do? Might downgrade Papley to Byrne Jones and Barlow to Z Merrett.

Kev

First trade yes. Second trade no

Southern S

Agree, it's not like Merrett is on a bubble and you'll miss out on a bargain. Can give Barlow another shot after two decent weeks.

Paul96

Another great podcast once again boys,

Was hoping to get a bit of insight on some potential trades I have in mind (first year playing)

Ive got Top Deck and unfortunately he has to go, however Im not convinced on swapping him out for a Yeo, Houli etc. I already have Shaw, Laird and I think my rookies are good enough to hold their own for the moment.

What I was thinking was swapping out JJ for Bryne-Jones and then trading Hewett for a fallen premo in Sloane or JPK.

Ill hold onto Papley for a while longer because I think he may still have a little bit more growth left in him if he is named.

Any feedback would be appreciated!

derek

you are wise beyond your years (of playing) Paul!

Almost brought a tear to my eye looking at those beautiful trades!

Paul96

Thanks Derek! Out of both premos is there a better choice? I know JPK is a proven scorer but Im worried about the emergence of Mitchell and Parker affecting his score.

Whereas Sloane has been up and down, but now that Danger is gone, Sloane may be able to truly blossom into a top 10 midfielder.

Thoughts?

derek

i have JPK ranked higher than Sloane in my top 10. Sloane i have targeted for the run home at the end of the season when crows draw looks beautiful. JPK by a whisker.

Paul96

Thanks again Derek!

Adam

Derek, who do you suppose will be 10 mids.

I see neither JPK or SLoane in My Top 10

In No Particular order
1 Danger
2 R.Gray
3 Ablett (as long as he doesnt get injured)
4 Fyfe
5 Hannebery
6 Ward
7 Priddis
8 Parker
9 Mitchell
10 Pendlebury

Southern S

Pretty much agree with that top ten at the moment.

There's probably a couple of smokies that could get in but doubt it will be JPK or Sloane.

Derek

Replace ward with Selwood, Parker with JPK and replace Mitchell with Sloane or Rocky

fatboyfat7

No chance Derek. How you can say Ward and Parker won't finish in the T10 is beyond me. Ward just missed out last year and has started even better this year. Parker looks back to his old self after an injury interrupted 2015. In saying that, I actually like the Sloane selection. Good price, definitely a POD and as you pointed out, his avg scoring against the teams in their last 8-10 games or so is impressive. Would be an option if looking for a mid around the byes IMO.

Southern S

Living in the past maybe? No offense Derek.

@wheels_1987

i agree

WARD is the real deal

@wheels_1987

I like the Sloan pick

do that

@winterjames5

Sorry About this but i have another Question which promo FWD should i Bring in this week
Montagna
dahlhaus
Zorko
Merret

or POD's in
T.Lynch
Betts
Waite

Southern S

Montag had a huge game against the struggling pies, not sure if he's actually worth the 600k honestly.

Dahlhaus I like. Probably paying a lot for him, could go down later in the season…….maybe.

Zorko has started really well, only averaged 100 last year so will he keep it up?

Merret only 20 years old but seems to be proving the doubters wrong. gets more of the ball than Dahlhaus and Zorko.

Your POD's could go up and down as forwards do. Crows and North look to be having a good 2016 though so they could be good picks.

@winterjames5

so who would you get

Southern S

Probably Merret or Dahlhaus.

fatboyfat7

Merrett or Zorko for me.

derek

any of the top 4 are good. just wait for them to become cheaper.

bAps

None of the PODs will be reliable scorers. Either jump on Zerrett now while his price is low-ish (compared to the others), or wait for one of the other 3's price to drop

Leeds17

Of the PODs I think Lynch is the most likely to go 105, he is a star but will need GC to have a good year and they've already got big issues in defence.

I'm still not convinced on Merrett just yet reckon teams you will be down the bottom of the ladder or scraping for 7th-10th spots will start giving him attention also he's 20 and it's a long season, so like the top 3 FWDs you emtnioned more but all over priced, Dusty will be close to 500K in 2weeks maybe wait till then and fix up other areas.

Danners

I like the look of Robinson, only played 3 quarters round 1 and still got 70 odd, but Lynch does look good too

Pinidu

Just listened to the almighty podcast, interesting to hear Jock and Higgo advise us not to trade Papley, he does have the bombers and lions coming up….but if we took the risk and held him for 1-2 more weeks…there might not be any bubble boys, at the moment we have DBJ, Byrne, Wagner and Ruggles on the bubble…

Thoughts on this conundrum community??

JB_Tank

It is a mistake to assume that playing Essendon will equate to high SC scores. Last week, Essendon outscored Geelong on disposals, clearances and contested possessions. They have a clear plan to deny the opposition the ball and this means Essendon players will continue to score well and opposition players will continue to disappoint.

As for Papley, the Swans may well be playing Essendon but I suspect he won't be!

Southern S

Agree 100%.

derek

there will be more bubble boys, and better than this crop in my opinion. All these choices are defenders, traditionally poor cash generators.

wait for the Midfielders, the likes of Petracca, Maitherson, Freeman, Hiscox, Lovell, Hopper, Menagola, to get games in a few weeks.

bUCKET__

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Derek

Lack of trades

@wheels_1987

Papsmear GONE

Shaq

Docherty or Laird for JJ and why? Leaning towards Laird atm because I feel his more consistent and gives you consistent 90-100+ scores each week.

Tophawk

I already have Laird, and at this stage, I am looking at Docherty for my next defensive upgrade. That will not solve your problem in choosing which player right now. But at the moment Docherty is cheaper, so why not start with him?

Danners

Laird for the reason you said

Michael

Hi community, do i bring in byrne jones or wagner or ciaran byrne for papley? thx

Southern S

1 B-J
2 B
3 W

Boltons Blues

i have a "weak"/'slim" forward line would here is my predicament

Backs – Shaw, Laird, JJ, Weitering, Adams, Dea (brown ruggles)
forwards – Hall, Wells, Papley, Kerridge, BenKen, AWT (Menadue, Cox)

now, im looking to trade Papley and JJ

do i

A – downgrade JJ straight to Bryne Jones and upgrade papley with the cash, leaving my forward line with (at this stage) 2 keepers (Hall and whoever i trade in (cant argue with hall, keeps this up, 100% keeper)) and 4 rookies, same with my backline

or

B – trade papley and JJ, swing Adams forward and bring in Rance/Docherty and Bryne Jones, leaving my forward line still "Weak/Slim" and my backline the same (3 keepers, 3 rookies)

Southern S

It seems to work out about the same, because either way you are going to be running AMT or Menadue in F6.

The only difference will be a Keeper vs Adams in either the Back or forward line.

Who would you rather lock in right now? A Merret/Zorko/Dahlhaus type or a Docherty/Rance.

My advice Lock the Doch. Great POD in only 3% of teams.

CJudd3Votes

i like A but also i dont think Wells is far off a keeper in the FWD

Mongrel punt

A lot of posts are saying they are going to trade Papley for Byrne Jones. How is that possible as neither are dpp

Kev

If you have one of McTip/Adams/MBrown in def (and you should) trade Papley and click the S next to one of those blokes. It moves them forward and allows you to bring in a defender

Mongrel punt

Thanks guys didn't know that was possible.

LEKD0G

Papley out> sub Brown, Adams or McDonald-Tipungwuti forward>trade in Byrne-Jones

Mongrel punt

Thanks for the tip lekdog and all the work you do for the community.
I'm having trouble tho
How do I trade Papley out without having to bring in a fwd. I'm unable to go back to the team page to sub brown once I hit the trade button on Papley. It says I can't have an incomplete trade.
I must be missing something.

LEKD0G

Hey mate, the S will be next to your DPP player on the trade screen under the TRADE OUT OF MY TEAM heading

Mongrel punt

Thanks mate. Finally found that bloody S button. Cheer's
How long has this been going on for.. It's a great loophole

bloke

JJ – Ben Kennedy out
Fyfe – Biggs in
fingers crossed

Kev

Reasoning for trading out BK?

Southern S

Just remember ben ken has a BE of 56 and has doubled that BE in 50% of his games.

Adam

That was against essendon and GWS when he peaked, not sure he can do it again

Southern S

The top ups aren't as bad as people think (As melbourne found out) and GWS are a very competitive side.

They played a crap collingwood last week and he didn't score well but I just think he didn't have the best day, it can happen.

He's a good chance of making 80+ in any game I reckon.

breakevens

???

Jonathan Camac

Obviously looking to trade Johannisen. Question: If you guys had the money and you were looking to upgrade, would you go to Laird or Merret?

Southern S

Both solid. Which line is weaker forward or back? Depends on what rookies you'd have to play for either option.

breakevens

Really depends on your structure but can't go wrong with either
Merrett will produce bigger scores and generate cash in the short term but Laird is a set and forget player
Toss a coin

Danners

Laird, more likely to score well for the rest of the season

Leeds17

I reckon they'll average similar but Laird as a keeper in defence and Merrett maybe just off keeper status up forward.

Jonathan Camac

cheers fellas, yeah I like the consistency of Laird. Rarely drops to bad games, think I'll get him. Plus, he is $15k cheaper

Allan

JJ to biggs or burgoyne

Paul C

Zorko or zach merrett to trade in this week?

Southern S

Zach Merrett

Danners

Merrett, Zorko is way over priced and won't keep up that scoring all season

@wheels_1987

explain why he wont?

2012 16 100.0
2013 22 82.9
2014 21 99.0
2015 22 100.6
2016 3 125.3

hard to argue with stats like that??

Southern S

Looks like he's over performing and his usual average is 100.

@wheels_1987

based on that comment it applys the same to Merrett

Zorko is proven for many years and low risk of injury

If were discussing "keeping up scoring all season" then you contradicted yourself by saying Merrett as there is no proof that Merrett will continue to score this highly. Looking at his stats it shows he is more unlikely to continue to score highly and has never averaged close to 100

2014 19 63.7
2015 17 88.5
2016 4 116.8

do your research mate

Southern S

But you're missing one key piece of information.

Players will breakout at a certain time of their career. Zorko is different because he came in as a mature age player and was ready to go. He doesn't seem to be increasing his scores over a 100 average.

Zerrett has come in as a rookie kid, and significantly increased his scoring over the last two seasons, so it's harder to gauge what his ceiling is.

Of course Zorko is a proven reliable scorer and Zerret is a risk, but people want to take risks to lock in a breakout player that could make a big difference in their team.

I've done my research on Zerrett's scoring and it's actually very impressive and consistent.

@wheels_1987

I hope your correct, but in that Essendon team, i cannot see these players keeping it up all season. They are busting their arse now but as the season wears on they would be defying the odds (Doing a Gary Ablett) to keep up this scoring

If you started with the Bomber boys then good work. Very Buryn maneuver. Once they hit their peak you would want to trade out

Mark my words Zerret and Zaha will drop off and it will get ugly

These players are NOT GAJ

Southern S

It's a big risk to get any of the essendon mob that's for sure, I've got Zaha and he's going nicely ranked 8 in the comp and only cost me 415k.

Zerrett at the price he is now is a different risk altogether though, but the forward line only has so many options for high scorers that aren't tall forwards.

Southern S

And Zerrett has averaged close to 100, last year with 88.

Now with players gone at the bombers he gets 100% midfield time and this has obviously resulted in much higher scores.

He may not be able to keep it up who knows.

Danners

Beams, Rockliff are coming back should average around 100, don't expect 100s every game though. Should be able to pick him up under 500k

@wheels_1987

Zorko

I N Pieman

Shame we only have 2 trades this week. I'd love 5

Tophawk

I know the feeling! Bloody spuds on the bench, injuries etc etc. Just want them fixed to get back in the game. But using up 5 this week means 17% of your yearly trades are used in one round. 1 round merely represents 4.3% of the season. Kinda puts things in perspective. It's a game of chess this Supercoach caper.

Cheers

Foti186

You me and 20,000 others lol. Gd luck!

Damon Bisetto

what do i do with sam jacobs.
he has been terrible this year going down 74k

SCaddict

The Inner Sanctum says HOLD but idk. Unfortunately Sauce has some form or history here when he was rubbish back in 2013. Again the company line back then was 'hold' but essentially he cost their owners about 500pts over the course of the season when compared to the other ruck top liners. Coaches have traded for a lot less than 500pts worth.

Of course every year is different so will he continue to be garbage is the great unknown but at some point I think many Sauce owners will cut their losses and move on. There are no easy answers here so it will be gamble either way whether you trade or hold.

If he could just punch out that one huge score like Goldy, NicNat and Gawn have already done it would go a long way to getting that average back on track.

Southern S

Even if he hit a 200 though, it might affect his average but his week to week scores just aren't good enough.

SCaddict

At least his last two weeks have been better than his first two but he's certainly been a disappointment and a source of frustration thus far.

Fraser

I am trading Johannisen and George Hewett out this week. I will bring in Byrne-Jones but I am undecided whether to bring in a premium in defence or in the midfield. I can afford anyone and I am throwing up between Laird in defence and Mitchell/Danger in the midfield. Who should I bring in? Currently ranked 950th.

Abel

danger

@wheels_1987

Hewett had a good week in the ressies

wait and see

Southern S

Danger, feel he will go well at Adelaide Oval vs Port this week. Not only that obviously I am thinking he will have a big year.

tom

What trades should I make?

Shaw, Laird, Rich, Weitering, Dea, Adams, Tippa, Brown
Fyfe, Danger, Ablett, Pendles, Gray, Libba, Mills, Kerridge, Menadue, Davis, Hewett
Goldstein, Martin, Wyatt
Hall, Barlow, De Goey, Wells, Kennedy, McCarthy, Petracca, Papley

Thinking Papley and De Goey for Byrne-Jones and Suckling?

Adam

How much money do you have?

If you have enough for a better premo, Go after SHAW,RANCE, DOCHERTY, RICH, MERRETT,MARTIN if you have the money

if not, Suckling is a good option and is a proven scorer but wont make top 6 in DEF or FWD

tom

only 4k in the bank mate. Already got Shaw and Rich.

Southern S

Nope then you'll have rich and suckling two potential burn men.

tom

I don't think Suckling is a burn man, with JJ and Murph gone for a lengthy period, suckling will use his weapon left peg and he doesn't mind a snag. He was recruited for a reason, to get the pill and use it well.

Southern S

I don't think he is either, which is why I said potential. What I more meant is you may end up with two guys that aren't top defenders and just average in the 80 area. Waste of space.

tom

fair call, but handy dpp status for d7/f7 by years end

Southern S

True.

@DensleyTim

Orazio Fantasia ? Yes or No

@winterjames5

it depends who you are trading for him it is someone like jj i wouldn't but if it is a failed mid pricer i think he is a very good shout avg 91 low score of 86 has a low be so can make $$ and has a secure spot in the bombers best 22

SCaddict

Not for me although I understand the appeal. Frankly our rookie defenders have been going well enough this season that you may as well go with a rookie bubble boy instead and spend the other $200K saved on Fantasia elsewhere.

Will he keep that 91 average up perhaps not although he may not turn out to be a bad pick. I just think there are better ways to go myself. So many midpriced defenders haven't worked out like Sheridan, Lonergan, McGovern, Harwood etc that I wouldn't be bending over backwards to get another one in, even one who is in pretty good form right now – a week is a long time in footy or so goes the cliche.

Either rookies or super premos like Shaw, Laird, Rance are the way to go in defence from here in my view.

Southern S

Agree.

Unless he plays well all year and is a keeper, but I don't see it.

He'll end up a 400-450k player that needs trading out again.

BP1

Structure dilema!
I haven't any DPP mid/fwd in my midfield
So can't swing any of my DPP forwards!

Should I upgrade Hewett to Ward??
Or open my swing ability and get zorko
Or Merrett?
Unfortunately might have to hang on to Papsmear
Due to this problem… Arghh

Dasha

JJ to DBJ, s.gray to r.gray by dpp? leaves me with tommy sheridan at D3 :O

Nathan

However you do it- rid your self of Sheridan. Such a mid priced trap. Upgrade fully or downgrade fully- nothing inbetween now my friend.

Southern S

He is a trap but if your team has more pressing matters he can stagnate a while before acting on.

Nathan

Correct my SC friend- but you and I don't know that make up from that post- trade Sheridian!!!!

Southern S

Well I know they have JJ (10 weeks) and the trainwreck that is Sam Gray!

Nathan

Train wreck that's got way more potential then Sheridan- lol- where are you ranked??

Southern S

They've scored the same total for the season, yet one was 350k the other was 480k. Sheridan also had a small injury in one of his games.

I'm not going for overall rank this year as I went into round one with a pile of rookies and 750k in the bank.

Still in the top 15% with 850k in the bank last round. Chugging along happily exactly where I want to be with plenty of profit and league wins.

Nathan

Cool story

Southern S

You got a man crush on Sam Gray or something?

Nathan

Lol- youth

Dasha

bants with the lads

Southern S

Says the guy who said 'cool story'

Gold.

Well you hold onto Sam 'Hindenburg' Gray. Burn man award for 2016 right there.

nathan

I'm ranked 500 not 38,000 (top 15% lol)- I don't have him…..

good luck with your 22 rookies and plenty of cash sort of season

Southern S

Im 33, 000 but not that it's much different. Went for a totally different theory this year, have some fun and go for maximum growth but still try to make finals.

Thanks I will need luck but it's looking good so far.

Nathan

Zorko the magnificent human being, the majestic boot, the heavenly hair…. AMT up and JJ straight swap to Zorko the Super human. Ranked 501 and rising. Love this stuff. Great pod cast gents- you are truely a gods blessing- the surrounding SuperCoach cloud…..

Southern S

The greyling story was gold.

@wheels_1987

I had Zorko from round 1 (even though he was suspended)

GUN

nuff said

breakevens

Bloody knew I shouldn't of started with JJ

Southern S

Sure you did.

deman

not sure if I am just blind, but how do you search for a specific player when choosing who to trade in?
Sick of scrolling through hundreds of name to find who i want.

The new supercaoch layout is has not been very user friendly

Kev

Slide the "filters" tab on the left hand side to on (it's the bottom option)

deman

thank you!
seems I'd ingnored it as its placed under a pile of sc gold links

james

going for a POD in defence so who should i get out of

Biggs

or

Savage

@wheels_1987

Suckling Pig

@iambrowndawg

So I'm taking out Papsmear and have about $573000 to send, what are peoples thoughts?

@iambrowndawg

I was thinking of something along the lines of Zmerret or Sloane

SCaddict

I'm likely doing a double downgrade this week but if I was getting in a premo forward it would probably be Zerrett.

Danners

Robinson or Merrett