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PODCAST: The Curious Case of Tobias Greene

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Supercoach CoachKings Round 4

Tobias Greene. What a curious bloody case this is community.

Brad Crouch is also an itch that plenty around the community need to scratch. Pull up a stool by the fire. Fetch your pipe and slippers. Grab a beer. It’s time to pick apart the selection scenarios we’re faced with as we look forward to another arousing week of fantasy footy.

HitΒ to find where you & your mates can compete for qualification to the $50,000 CoachKings Cup THIS WEEKEND!



CoachKings Round 4 Fixture Vic


CoachKings Round 4 Fixture South Australia

Enjoy the podcast – enjoy the week!

Jock Reynolds

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Can't wait to listen to this one you ripper!

sc king

and sheridan


B: Houli, Laird, Sheridan, Weitering, Dea, Adams (AMT, Cutler)
M: Dangerfield, Ablett, Priddis, Gray, Shiel, Adams, BenKen, Parish (Davis, Hewett, Gresham)
R: Nic Nat, Gawn (lorensch)
F: Barlow, Hall, De goey, Wells, Kerridge, McCarthy (Menadue, Papley)

Score very well last week but still have a couple of concerns with Cutler, De Goey, Gresham, Barlow

Have $143,600 left in the kitty and not sure who i should offload first and who to

Thoughts would be very much appreciated


Wait to see if Gresham is named. I'm considering a Gresham -> Hartley move via some DPP trickery with Menadue and Brown (or AMT/Adams in your case). As Jock and co. mentioned, be wary of Hartley's JS with Grima coming in. Reassess when teams are released.


Ethan, Thats what I thought but is it better to go with a rookie like freeman or petracca who hasn't played? Thoughts Jock?


Haven't even started the podcast and i already know it will be great.


I like rockliff for Gray, excellent trade, however i personally wouldnt trade out crouch, sure he hasnt been scoring fantastically just yet, but from what ive seen of him in game, he's doing the right things, he just needs to work up some more match fitness and then he'll fire.

sc king

ok i have rich, rocky greene and barlow, what do i do


Wait & see on Rocky if fit his inclusion will affect where Rich plays, may as well hold Barlow now….really not much to go for unless you trade around to mids….I'm in the same boat with Greene……I reckon he'll be stuck forward, so he is the most likely to go i think. Keep Sheridan, Ross loves him….has security.


trade down rocky for a cheapie.leave barlow. use the cash on a gun for second trade.


Head between the knees, and heaving sobs. Tends to do the trick for me.


Is a rockliff to Parker ok?


Don't even think about it…Just Do!!!!


i think you are wanting this trade a week to late. Rocky only out for 1 week now so hold. I traded Rocky for Gray last week but if he was only to miss a week, i would have held.

The Mountain

If you are going to trade him go to a player you know will be a top ten mid such as Gray, Pridda, Gablett, Danger or Fyfe if you dont have them and the extra 100K


At this point, you've already held Rocky for one of two (presumed) weeks on the sideline and missed Parker's major price rise – it'll now cost you to bring him in. Last week, I'd have said it was a fine move (I went Rocky -> Hall myself), but now I say hold. There's no doubt Rocky will hit huge numbers this season.

Southern S

Bad, very baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad trade.


I did that last week


Excellent trade.

Gobbledoks Pride

I've got Lobbe, Green as major concerns, but on the pine Rockliff and Crouch, waiting on selection of sides this week before vomiting up a couple of trades. I am chasing overall ranking this year so will have to move on both or either Crouch and Rockliff depending on there availability. I have about $130,000 in the bank so not a lot to play with!


if i was you, Lobbe and Crouch out for premium ruck and a rookie. Hold Rocky and Greene for a bit longer. Rocky will come good once he has some match fitness but it depends how patient you are?


Couldn't have said it better myself.


B:Shaw,Laird,Rich,Weitering,Dea, Adams (AMT,Brown)
M:Parker,Danger,Priddis,Libba,Graham,Hanners,Shiel,Neale (Mills,Davis,Dunkley)
R:Nic Nat,Gawn (Grimley)
F:Hall,Wells,BK,Papley,Kerridge,Tobias Greene (Gallucci,Chol)

Scored 2382 last week after a 2333 (R1) 2146 (R2)

Want to offload Greene & Rich….but also want to get Gazz in….BUT I have no Mid DPP's, to change around.
Few K in the bank, so need to do 2 trades to get Gazz….which rules out trading both Greene & Rich, I'm thinking Graham & Greene for Gazza & Hartley……..or should I sit tight another week on Greene?……what are your thoughts fellas?


Considering Crouch to Keays and Greene to Zorko this week. I wanted Zorko all pre season til I discovered he wasn't playing rd 1. I am holding Rockliff and loopholing again and will upgrade to a fallen or possibly Fyfe or GAJ.

Bobby Singh

Evening Jock Reynolds community! I've got 345k at the moment.

I'm going with Bartel to Houli as Bartel's breakeven will continue to bring him down while Houli is on the rise.

What are your thoughts on Greene to Martin? Is it worth spending over 100k to get rid of Greene?


I'm upgrading rich to houli
Then side trading and taking a punt
On Martin to Waite!

The Mountain

dont trade martin for waite, assuming your talking about dusty, its a waste of a trade and martin is the better long time option


Agree, save your trades – guaranteed to regret this one


Bartel to Houli is just crazy talk. Jimmy had 110 last week and plays the Dons this round so there is potential for another juicy score which would see that BE that worries you so much plummet. The last time Houli played the Eagles he didn't ton up so that move this week could result in a double whammy.

Bachar got off to a flyer last season too but eventually cooled down to more moderate premo defender scoring of 90-95. Not denigrating him as as an attractive trade in target only that a sideways from Bartel would be sheer madness in my view.

Southern S

You think that's madness what about the side trade of Martin to Waite!


I purposely left that one for you to condemn SS. πŸ™‚

Bobby Singh

God damnit, my brain can only handle so much πŸ˜€

Southern S



That's not even a sideways trade. That's an out and out downgrade!

Bobby Singh

I know he scored 110 and it looks like a retarded trade but I've had Bartel this year, for a bit of last year and the year before that. He's served me well, averaging 70-90, but what I've noticed it that he never performs when I need him to. I always have that sense of doubt in me every week whenever he's up against a opposing defensive option.


Bobby, take your finger off the trade button mate and relax. He's not injured, he's getting reasonable scores for his price. It's not the right move at the moment.

Bobby Singh

I'll keep that in mind mate.

What about Greene to Martin instead?

Southern S



Greene is a definite concern but I would probably give him one last chance. He still has that 120 in his price for another week so it's unlikely to cost you much cash to wait one more week as his BE is a fairly gettable 80.

If he delivers another spudly score then yes by all means get rid of him next week. In fact Jock may even join you on the dump Greene lynch mob.

Btw which Martin are you considering Dusty or Jack? I presume the former although Jack Martin is now fantasy relevant again too and actually shaping up as a pretty interesting POD at less than 2% ownership.

Bobby Singh

Dusty. Don't think I can risk Jack. Thanks for your help tonight SCaddict. I appreciate what you've said and I forbid you good luck for season 2016.


What do I do with Brad Crouch?

I have the money to trade him to Robbie Gray but not sure about the 400k spend. Maybe upgrade to Zaharakis or even downgrade to Petracca? Thoughts?


HOLD. He'll come good.

The Mountain

Gave, crouch is out for a couple of weeks mate


Robbie Gray. Get it done.


Rockliff set to go down 40k next time he plays. Let him go? Can get anyone. Parker or Gray was thinking. After podcast thinking Gray.

Jonathan Camac

I'm loving Gray. Consistent 120's regardless of how Port go as a team. Effective with the ball, kicks goals, gets contested ball. Go get him.


Gray now lock …cheers


Money shouldn't be the concern when it comes to Rocky. The only issue is how soon he can get to averaging >110 . Assuming you keep Rocky all season, who really cares if he goes up or down 50k? I reckon price changes shouldn't be the sole determinant when it comes to trading out premos.


Cheers Shinboner. Very good point.

Southern S

Thumb up

Jonathan Camac

I need help community. I have Crouch. Hold for now or trade?


If your midpricer isn't making you money then move him on


Trade out for at least 2 weeks


Wha do we think about zaharakis? With hep Watson and other scorers out does he benefit??

Southern S

He's there no.1 midfielder imo.

Locked him in last week for 415k and even in a tough game against port and still got 100. A lot of his games are going to be tough mind you.

Got to have faith he's a keeper if you lock him in now for 470k.

Personally I think he is a keeper, or I'll at least make 100-150k off him if I upgrade him later. Worth the punt for me at his original price.

Southern S



Trade out Hewett (M8) Gresham (bench) to Kennedy & ? Already have Mills at M7.


Wait and see the teams mate


crouch to parish alright community???


Missed the boat on parish, may as well bring in Hartley or Short For cash generation, otherwise go premium if you need to trade him straight away.


Jock, thoughts on one old Lance Franklin? Do you reckon he'll be top 6 forwards come season end?


I think Buddy is looking very tempting at his current price. We know what we will get if he stays fit and health the odd dud week but will also go large at times, will be around the mark in terms of top fwds.. this weeks the week to do it!


Magnificent effort boys, maybe your best ever!


Who are the most traded out and most traded in this week?


Greene to Parish – late corrective trade but pocketed 160k + Parish still to increase by around 150k (yes IMO this was worth 2 trades).
Hewett to Hartley – Pending Thursdays team announcements.

20k to 235k.

Not textbook but at least I have a war chest and I don't have to sweat on Toby Greene anymore.


Hi – Jock / Crouching – just a question on what are Premiums & Super Premiums (with both long term Keepers):
I've listed below what I think is reasonable – by position.

Def: Ave 100 to 109.9 Premium
110 + Super Premium

Mid: Ave 110 to 124.9 Premium
125 + Super Premium

Ruc: Ave 110 to 124.9 Premium
125+ Super Premium

Fwd: Ave 105 to 114.9 Premium
115+ Super Premium

I know that you need – if possible all premiums & super premiums in your team – but are the averages that I have listed reasonable, to high, or not high enough ??

Your thoughts are appreciated..


For me, if i get a team full of 105+ averages, and a couple of "captain premiums" (Dangerfield, Ablett, Fyfe), regardless of positions, i would say i have a full premium team.


my definition of a keeper is:number of onfield positions x 1.5
Therefore, top 9 def; top 12 mid; top 3 ruck; top 9 fwd
If all your onfield players are in this range by the end of the year, you will be doing VERY well.
You can work out points by looking at Old Ockers spreadsheet. Just search by position and see where the cutoff is for each – will vary slightly year to year. Average is helpful but I tend to think overall pts is important too as it shows durability.


I'd probably say defenders and forwards are bit too high. I'd be pretty happy to call 95-averaging defenders premos. Maybe lower 105 to 97-100 for forwards.


Trading out Gresham but not sure who to.

Ruffles or Hartley?

Or should I trade out brown also and get both?


Just keep him in for a bit, and wait until Freeman, Keays, and Petracca are named and have played two games.


Hartley, get cash early


I wouldn't rush for Ruggles this week, plus Brown still has a negative BE. Hold off, earn more $$$


Sorry this is just an answer for Troy


i need some help

So i got crouch definitely on the chopping block but by trading him and my current funds in my warchest i end up 3k short of danger.

So i though about trading rich and crouch but then by getting danger it puts me in an awkward price range of 423k and theres no one that appealing to get.

So would it be best to get danger+pappley(means i do have to play either menadue or papley at F6

Or go for a cheaper players and get Zach Merret and Luke Parker



What other mid premiums do you have? If you already have say Ablett, Fyfe or R.Gray then just go for a luke parker, or Zaharakis, or Merrett. Possibly even a JPK or a Ward, all are great options.


unfortuantly i felt i was a smart ass this year after such a great last year and only began with gray, priddis and pendles


That's not too bad Ethan. Aim for Ablett and Dangerfield, best of luck to you. What's your team looking like actually? with only 3 big premiums in the mid you must have the other lines stacked.


nah i decided to go with some midprice madness to begin with

But team is looking like

Def:Shaw, Laird, RIch, JJ, Weitering, Dea (Tippa, Brown)

Mid: Pendles, Priddis, Gray,Cripps, Libba, Lonergam, Mills (Gresham, Dunkley, Davis)

Ruc: Nic Nat, Gawn (Grimley)

For:Hall, Barlow, Wells, Adams, Kennedy, Kerridge (Papley, Mennadue)

Team at the moment with 348k in the bank

Southern S

Papley sailed last week.

Don't really like Z Merret after his price rise either.


Is Barlow to JJ a good trade? WIth no Sandi, Freo struggle again?


Barlow is just too slow for me, with Mundy coming back in to the team in two weeks, and with sandilands being injured for a long time, i'd say trade him, however there might be better options than JJ, just shop around for some players.


who do you suggest?


It depends how much you have and who you have in your team already, but i'd say: Hall, Zorko, Ward, Parker, R.Gray, JPK, maybe even Zaharakis or Zach Merret. Just keep in mind that if you select either Zaha or Merrett dont expect 120's every week, they'll probably give you a consistent 100 however.


I think it's worth considering. There are worrying signs not just for Barlow but Fyfe owners too with no Sandi for at least the next 6 weeks and also no Mundy for the next couple probably. Fyfe is a keeper regardless obviously but those who waited to get him in midseason could be the real winners if his output curtails and that price plummets. Will be very interesting to see what happens with both this weekend vs North.

Nonetheless i'm giving Barlow one more shot this week but anything under about 85ish and he could be a candidate for my wooska block next week especially if Duncan tons up again.

Southern S

Agree with your points and Barlow stays for me if he's any chance at keeping I don't want to waste the trade.


Had 450k in the bank went t McKenzie to JJ then Crouch to either Ward of JPK.
Thoughts on those 2 or has anyone got any better ideas?


I see people chasing players who score high but then low again. What's better. A score of 150,90, then 120 or someone like ablett who is 120 week in week out?


It depends really, if you already have people who you can nominate as captain and can get those big scores, of course you would prefer consistency.


need a few of each in my opinion at this stage if you don't have Ablett you need to get him


I have him. Just saying you would rather consistent scoring.


i like consistent to start with but happy to have a few that can go massive

Bells E Bubb

Do I feel the desire to stick it up my mate next week? Err no Jock, but thanks for asking.


Hey community once again needing some relevant supercoach advice for my team.

Backs: Laird, Bartel, JJ, Weitering, Dea, Rich (Brown, AMT)
Mids: Danger, Fyfe, Ablett, Gray, Wines, Libby, B Crouch, B Ken ( Mills, Hewett, Davis)
Rucks: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cox)
Forwards: Hall, Barlow, Wells, Adams, Kerridge, papley (McCarthy, Menadue)

Was thinking Rich to Hartley/ Ruggles and Crouch up to Parker which leaves my midfield nearly complete for the season and some more cash generation. Not sure if this is the best trades because I would be left with 25 trades after that however I dont see myself trading for a while until our rookies peak after this.

Any advice is welcome good luck this week for fantasy football.


How come you didnt trade out rich last week? I've never personally liked him because he gets to his knees and starts crying every time he receives a tag. You could've gone him to Adams but i guess hindsight is a beautiful thing.


Nah I'd hold on both those trades. Make Davis EME and if he scores 70+ keep Crouch on the field. If less put Mills on for Crouch and have a second crack.

BTW he already has Adams.


the problem with holding crouch is that I dont want to hold a player and then get a 60 on field when i could get at least 115 from parker. Even though rich might score well there isnt even the guarantee he is playing and hartley/ ruggles will be good cash cows


Well i guess i should probably learn to read haha, sorry about that, how much do you have left in the salary cap? If you have a decent amount, think about Rich to Shaw, Houli, K.K (who's playing on the wing, which is a good sign), Docherty, possibly even Kade Simpson, even though he hasnt exactly been lighting it up, he's good for an 85-105 consistently.


about 150k


I'd recommend Shaw or Houli, maybe even a Rance if you want, its really up to you at the end of the day.


what do i do with crouch then in your plan?


I've gone Crouch to petracca which has allowed me to go Rocky to Ablett and still have 156k in the bank
Petracca starting on the bench for me as well
I can't see myself making any more trades until at least round 9 when my rookies price starts to max out


Sounds ok although I still think keeping Petracca for cash cow harvesting purposes later in the season is the preferable play. However Crouch does need to go so if this manouever helps you to get Gaz in this week then that's basically a pretty good plan.

Do you have any DEF/MID players in your backline? If so another option could be to swing one into the middle to replace Crouch and then bring in Hartley or Ruggles instead. Or failing that you could do a three way switcheroo by moving a FWD/DEF defender into your forward line then swinging a FWD/MID forward into the middle to replace Crouch to ultimately again bring in Hartley or Ruggles.

Just something to consider.

And lastly good luck with the 'I'm not trading again until round 9' idea. πŸ™‚


I think a few of he rookies will have maxed out way before round 9. Trades are more of a premium than ever this year.


Trading out green and Barlow ?????

Parker and Aaron Young



Not young.

Southern S

Do you know much about him or just don't like the bloke? His scoring was pretty good last year when not in the vest.

Wore it 8 times……………Vest no longer exists………..Predicted to go up 50k this week. Could be a good stepping stone.


Aaron Young is an interesting one, could you explain to me why you picked him? Just interested in knowing peoples thought patterns when looking for a POD. πŸ™‚

Southern S

Young is a risk could be another Greene. Would be nice if he kept going how he is though.


Whats everyones thoughts on going greene to GAJ?


I personally love it haha, if you can fit it in with your bank balance then go for it. πŸ™‚


Shaw, rance,docherty (brown)
Wietering, dea, Adams (Hartley)

Gaz, Pendles, hanners, Selwood
Cripps, Libba, Oliver, Kennedy
(Menadue, Gresham, Davis)

Nic Nat, Martin

Martin, Barlow, Gray (McCarthy)
Wells, kerridge, ATM (papley)
10k left with 28 trades, can someone help as to how I get hall in as I didn't last week πŸ™


The only way you could do it would be through a sideways trade, and i think getting rid of barlow/Gray is the best way to go, dont really like either of them (Supercoach wise).


Sam Gray could be sacrificed I reckon…


I don't have enough cash


I have a question for the community. Does anyone know of a tool that lets you plan out your trades for supercoach? Or one that at least lets you see what your full premium team could look like, just interested to know if there are any out there.


You could just use the Higginator if updated pricing is of no concern to you. Then save each version has planned team week 5 or planned team week 10 for example.

Looking too far into the future in Supercoach can be a perilous exercise. New threats and opportunities are thrown up every week so I reckon you need to be adaptable and not too rigid in your planning.


Thanks Addict, is your name Glenn and is your team called Addicts Anonymous? Im in a league or two with you i think


Yes indeed. What's your team name tuxCS?


I just do up a spreadsheet that includes projected averages and price rise/drops. Not as advanced as other's of course, but due to the fickle nature of SC this has always helped me to get a rough guide for trading.


Is there a template for this? Or do you just make it up from scratch?


I just go from scratch. Very basic. In my opinion, no need to do anything super complicated as plans constantly change throughout the season, just as the others have said.


Thoughts on Petracca Jock? Had 31 touches 6 marks and kicked 2 goals for Casey over the weekend. If selected this week, do we jump on him?


Jocks saying jump on him even if he isn't selected!

Southern S

You'd have big plums to pick a player on their debut week.

Did that sound like Jock?


Was hoping to get some advise on Sam Gray . I started with him and still have him should I hold. I have 122,000 in the bank and could trade him to Zorko or Merritt , my worry is that he will score high as soon as I trade him.


Green OUT Kennedy FWD Ablett IN
McKenzie OUT Ruggles IN
It's not a bad team at all once you fix these 2 things up. Keep Rocky


Community, I really need your help. I'm completely stuck on what to do next. I feel like this team is a complete shambles and I'm in two cash leagues! HELP!

Defence: Shaw, Laird, Johannisen, T. MCKENZIE, Weitering, Dea (Brown, Hartley)

Midfield: Dangerfield, Fyfe, Parker, Cripps, Liberatore, ROCKLIFF, B. Kennedy, Mills (Davis, Menadue, Keays)

Ruck: Naitanui, Gawn (Grimley)

Forward: Hall, Barlow, GREENE, Wells, Kerridge, Papley (Cox, McDonald-Tip)

I've got $137.9 in the war-chest. I was thinking Rockliff to Ablett but maybe I can hold him since his only one week away. I think I've got bigger fish to fry with McKenzie but I don't know who to get or downgrade too? T. Greene is another problem!

Any advise would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys

Southern S

Holy crap you missed Adams.

Just hand over the cash now mate you're done.



Southern S

Haha yeah was only joking.

Their team looks good actually, just a small bit of maintenance required here and there.


Yeah it isn't as disastrous as i thought it would be when he said "HELP". Just a couple of corrective trades and he'll be fine.

Damon Bisetto

what do i do with sam jacobs


You kinda have to hold him, andd hope his form comes back around, hes a great player and we all know what he's capable of. If he starts to leak SERIOUS money however, trade him off to a Gawn, a Naitanui or a Blicavs.


I have him and giving him one more week. I'm starting to think the loss of Dangerfield has affected him

Southern S

You cry yourself to sleep?



Hold him he will come good give sauce a couple few weeks for him to prove himself.


Very tough start of the year fixture wise for Jacobs – he'll turn it around at some point


Dropping money won't matter at all if you're keeping him, which you should be. Proven, draw is getting easier, and he's durable. Hold every day of the week.


Brad crouch to B. Smith or anyone under 460k
Crouch down to rookie, Barlow up to anyone…. Robie Gray???


Personally none of those. Crouch down to rookie and either bank the cash and try to upgrade a rookie to premo.


I've got the same problem but with only $450 to go up to – still considering my options and Brodie did come to mind but I think I'd prefer to go down/up if possible

Any other players under $450 worth considering that have premium potential? That's the question…


Only decent rookie options appear to be Hartley (but may get dropped for Grima and), Ruggles (one week early), ciaran byrne (one week early), Petracca (if you want to go early – I already have him and have been using for loop holing purposes) or possibly Ben Keays or Freeman if you want to go early – Parish would have been another option last week at $260 he is mid priced now)

Who have I missed?


I'd rather Lyons over Young.


Next week


I have him as well and am keeping him and trying to not trade sideways. His DE hasn't been good, still gets the ball though.

Paulie Walnuts

SC Beast – where are you ? Haven't heard from you for weeks ?


We're very worried, please send postcards


He said he was sick a while back… hope he is alright.

Wills hunters

Is Luke Parker going to be a super premo by seasons end?
Thoughts gents


I think its a definite possibility. I also bloody hope that it happens, just traded him in for crouch, lets pray he can keep up a 115-120 average πŸ™‚ In before Southern S calls me retarded.

Southern S

Settle down mate I'd call you an idiot but not retarded. I do have some respect πŸ™‚

Parker could be a new super premo this year.

I'm going to make a huge (maybe retarded?) call and say parker could have a higher total score than Nat Fyfe this year.

Yes I did just say that. No I am not drunk.

Expect Nat to miss games as he always does.


Just poking fun at you mate πŸ™‚


He could be, don't expect 100s every week


who knows? The way he has started you would say yes. He does have the tendency to have a average month each year. if he can avoid that, he could average 115+


Having Parker as say your M7/M8 come SC finals time it's hard to see how that could go too wrong for you.

Is he 100% guaranteed to be a top 8 mid – well that remains to be seen – but even if he isn't I doubt he would be far off.