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RD3: The Heroes. The Villains. The Damned.

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What a sight it was, Community, to see two of the great behemoths of the game going toe-to-toe in an epic ruck battle on Sunday.

The hulking figures of Todd Goldstein and Max Gawn locked horns like beasts from the hinterland and delivered their owners a bounty of Supercoach points.

Those who had the Goldstein – Gawn ruck combination would have been absolutely salivating.

The pair had 344 SC points between them. Enough said.

The Heroes

Todd Goldstein (172 SC)

Oh, how the Goldstein owners must be laughing now. The competition’s premier big man was back to his illustrious best on Sunday with five goals helping him pump out a massive score. A 200 plus total was on the cards after he was sitting on a whopping 120-odd at half-time. Has barely dropped in price and doesn’t look like he will. Starting with him from day dot looks to have been the right option.     

Max Gawn (172 SC)

While Goldy was good up forward, Gawn put on an absolute masterclass against the league’s best ruckman to finish with 63 hit outs and two goals of his own. This bloke is the real deal and could challenge Goldy as the number one big man this season. We can look forward to compelling contests between these two for years to come.

Patrick Dangerfield (166 SC)

Has the potential to be the highest averaging player in Supercoach this year. A CoachKings must, even at his premium price. Simply enormous presence, so strong for a midfielder and ultra competitive. Like Nat Fyfe, looks almost the complete package.     

The Villains

Ben Kennedy (50 SC)

Those who did not start with Kennedy but made the decision to trade him in before Round 3 on the back of some good form would have been severely disappointed. Had a very quiet day and just couldn’t get near it. Only 15 touches.

Tom Papley (46 SC)

It’s a bit rough to paint a rookie as a villain, but given the fact he posted back to back tons in the first two rounds, many of us got sucked into trading the Papsmear in and starting him on our fields. It was a move that backfired severely. He is not alone though, as his Sydney rookie mates in Mills and Hewett have hardly set the world alight either.

Jason Johannisen (70 SC)

The bubble has well and truly burst. Started this season like a house on fire, but in doing so has attracted the attention of the opposition. The Hawks were much tighter on him. If this trend continues expect his scores to follow a similar path.

The Redeemers

Heath Shaw (129 SC)

Put on a resurgent display and enough to suggest he will still be the number one defender this season. Was his team’s best player in a losing side with 22 of his 27 touches being kicks. Expect him to go big again in the coming weeks.

Michael Barlow (99 SC)

So it wasn’t the glorious 140 we were all hoping for, but those of us that held this man should be proud of themselves. Looked much better and found plenty of it. Still didn’t play much midfield, which is a concern, but with Mundy out again this week, we can be optimistic of the chances of another good score.

Brodie Smith (107 SC)

This man had plenty of doubters heading into Round One after an ordinary preseason. But he has not put a foot wrong so far. Looks to be recapturing the form of 2014 when he averaged 93. Solid scores of 94, 86 and 107 to start proceedings.

The Damned

Toby Greene (52 SC)

The yo-yo scoring continues for Toby, who was rubbish again this week, similar to Round One. Pumped out a nice 120 last week, but if this sort of schizophrenic scoring continues, he will become a big frustration for his owners. Much like a cheating ex, he is fast becoming untrustworthy.

Daniel Rich (late withdrawal)

The late withdrawal wasn’t all that surprising. What many have overlooked when selecting Rich in their defence this season is his deplorable injury history. The bloke’s just not durable and doesn’t get on the park enough. Consider trading.

Sam Gray (78 SC)

Probably a bit harsh to put Sammy in The Damned column, but I’ve been influenced by a co-worker who has him and is calling for his head. With scores of 57 last week and 78 this week, he just doesn’t look like being that top six forward we were hoping for. Butchers the footy. Had it 37 times in Round 1 for just 99 SC.

Over to you Community, who were your heroes and villains of round 3?


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Chill

With Sandi out… how is Barlow going to?

Davonaise

Not looking good, from here on in one would think Barlow is a 80-85 player

Dan

Griffen is a good ruckman I wouldn't worry too much

@OldCampaignerSC

Sam Gray…horrendous. .looking at Merrett instead

Vindude

I might stick with him for one more week, although, not sure if its a wise move ?

Patch

Hands of my Zach, Linc! That goes for all of youse, he's mine!

(Need to see him against Geelong before I can confidently trade Barlow to him)

Adrian

Waiting patiently for the gold man to drop price is like waitingndirnbald man fringe to regrow. Looks like l will have to wait for bye round then bang.

Red

thoughts on downgrading both rampe and Greene to weitering and papley?

Iamme

Good move to Weitering, but I think you missed the boat on Papley….had you picked him up last round you would have gained nearly 90K

Patch

Give Paps a miss, would go one down and one up. Paint the fence, as Crouching says.

JamiesNinjas13

I think you have missed the boat on both rookies and taking out 2 premiums will effect your weekly score greatly. Never liked trading in a rookie after I have missed their first price rise.

Dee

The Weitering ship has sailed lads….

Matt

You're probably too late on both the rookies. Weitering had a great game but you'd expect his future output to be similar to his first couple rounds – an average around 75-80 – not good enough to be a season keeper.

Davonaise

Ross has said that some Freo players are not performing well enough and some could get the axe to bring in more talented players. Would like to see what players they are….

Bells E Bubb

Ross is on the blower to Colin Sylvia as we speak.

annoying old lady

Relton Roberts is reportedlyon a plane to Perth. Risky SC selection though: 1/10

Jesterhawk

Morabito?

The Weapon

Had Gawny, Danger and Goldy and top scored in my league this week, but I've got Greene and Rich who I'd like to get rid of. What do I do with these spuds??? I have all the good rookies so not too many options for a downgrade if anyone could give me some options it would be greatly appreciated.

SCaddict

Both Greene and Rich have the potential to be decent scorers but reliability and consistency appears to be the issue as well as the inherent role that Greene seems to hold. I'd probably give Spitta one last chance as that 120 will be in his pricing for one more week and another ton could be around the corner if GWS have a good win at home again this weekend.

But if Rich doesn't get up for this week then he has to go. Even if he plays that calf could be an ongoing worry in the short term and every opposition coach out there knows he's super susceptible to the tag, if they make it a priority to shut him down. So there's always that risk he'll spit out a sub 50 score any given week although he can produce premium defender output if left to his own devices. It was the reason I refused to touch him despite the preseason hype.

princeofmugs

Think it's a hammy for Rich, not a calf. Rocky's got the calf.

Phil

I can't trust the bastard so I'm ditching him.

Phil

Rich that is. Don't have Greene.

Alex

Hey SC Addict who do you reckon I should trade Rich for then? Have $45K in the bank.

SCaddict

You have a few options. Still rate JJ as a pick even with the down weekend against the Premiers. The Doggies draw opens up a bit now. Perhaps Murph down puts a question mark on the Doggies defender dynamics but I still expect him to score well.

You could also go down to a Hartley or Ruggles type and use the savings to patch up another area of your side.

Glenn

I have similar problem but with greene and sheridan im leaning towards selwood/weitering but there is also a chance of grey/ruggles still undecided though!

Mister_Spock

Grey/Ruggles will generate more spare cash, Weitering is now effectively a mid-priced.

Jimma

I know Sam gray’s score wasn’t that great, but he really should of got 90+ points for his effort on Friday, only reason why that didn’t happen was many of his teammates fumbled easy handball receives and kicks from him, decreasing his DE by a fair bit, id hold another week before pulling the plug.

Rob

from what I understand, if you hit a teammate with a perfect kick or handball and they just drop it, it is still an effective disposal. Happy to be advised otherwise…

Jimma

could be the case rob, but as i saw, every time someone fumbled his touches his de had the afl live app up, just reckon he should be held another week

TRIGGER HAPPY

Hey Carl. If Rich gets the damned due to pulling out because of an injury then surely B Crouch gets a gig? Case of severe heartburn for the punt takers.

Big Carl

Great point, Trigger. I had trouble splitting the two but Crouch at least pulled out early enough on Friday to give us time to replace him. Rich also stunk it up last week (due to Ben Jacobs tag) before getting injured. So that was enough for me to give him the nod.

Mister_Spock

McKenzie…FML

Dee

that's one of Jock's POD this year….. and then electing nor to pick Ablett in his team. LMAO.

Antonio

Is McKenzie to Adams a good trade?

Shane

What to do with him? Keep or trade

JamiesNinjas13

He will miss atleast one week and plays a third tall forward role. Trade.

Mister_Spock

I've already pulled the trigger on a tentative trade – McKenzie down to Hartley and upgrade Greene to Robbie Gray via DPP

Leaves me with only three pemos down back (if you count JJ), but the way that Adams, Dea and Weitering have been playing I'm OK with that. Can bring Ruggles in for Brown next week too.

Dee

Happy with my 2399 this week, trades this week….. Rich OUT Hall IN, Rockliff OUT Gray IN. Welcome….

Moz

Great trades. Love it

Westy

That's a great score without Hall and Gray!

Deccas

How long will Trent McKenzie be out for with a broken nose?

SCaddict

Will have to wait for an updated injury list tomorrow but it's looking at least a few.

Mac

few good Captain choices this week

Danger vs Bombers
Ablett vs Lions
Goldy vs Freo (No Sandiballs)

For me, Danger tore Essendon a new on in NAB Challenge and Goldy will get the Skipper if he fails. Goldy vs Griffen looks enticing.

Jonathan Camac

I'm also tossing up between Danger and Goldy. Hard to say no to either.

Ben

ive got 230k in the bank should i…
upgrade ollie wines or patty cripps to garry ablett and have 110k spare
or should i upgrade jordan de goey to dayne zorko and have 20k left?

Please HELP!

Mac

De Goey to Zorko, you picked Wines and Cripps for a reason, stand by that decision. Don't trade premos unless injured/suspended for a lengthy period.

Ben

Thanks. Yeah i know but its Gary Ablett!

Southern S

Mac is just reciting 'the supercoach rule book'

Good players do great moves. If ablett stays on the field all season then trading him in would be a great move, if not it's a mistake but so what you wanna be just playing in the herd mentality?

annoying old lady

I hear what you're saying Southern S, but lets move back a step and think about this for a second. If you're going for overall rank, maybe the ablett trade is necessary, and ASAP. However, if league wins/championships are your thing, then I would DEFINITELY NOT be upgrading a Wines or Cripps to Ablett. Why?

Cripps or Wines may not be the powerhouse scorers (after 3 games) that we expected, but they could be extremely servicable as a M7-8 by years end if their scoring continues as is. You can upgrade to Ablett at a later stage, so at the pointy end of the season, you'll have the little master for SC finals. Trading him in now means you'll be one week further out from having a full premo side.

Your other trade of De Goey to Zorko is much more sensible for the above reasons. De Goey is a potato. Plus you're adding a premo to your side, and are 1 week closer to being full premo.

Southern S

Good points that I agree on, this is the thing people ask questions and give zero details whatsoever of their team plans or season intentions.

So they can expect to get a mixed bag of advice because there are so many factors to consider.

Someone going for overall rank surely wouldn't have taken the de goey risk to begin with I'd say, but who knows.

Southern S

Plus let's put it this way, when you're talking about possibly the best player in the league, they just have to be locked in ASAP, regardless of this and that and being one trade closer to full premo.

bazza

2568 this week

annoying old lady

Overall/round rank?

Danners

Great work Big Carl! The start of the season has been a nightmare for me, only 2115 and a terrible overall ranking.
Trades this week for me are
Mills to Priddis
Menadue to cheap rookie
Unfortunately I didn't start with Fyfe or Dangerfield and just short of getting them in. I also have S.Jacobs to worry about. At the moment I have $300k in the bank
Thoughts?

tuxCS

Mills to Priddis i like, however hold off on your menadue trade until Freeman from St Kilda gets a game, the kids a champion.

Dean

Danners your screwed anyway regarding playing for overall rank. Don't trade out Mills this week wait until he has peaked and then get rid of him for Priddis.

Lastly again your rushing to get rid of your rookies, Menadue has a B/E of 19 exactly the same as Mills, give them another week, if they score 80+ this will bring their break even well and truly back in to the negative meaning they can still earn you a extra $50k to $100k+ if they score what we expected them to.

We will NEVER select a ton of Rookies that are going to average us 90+
There is always just the one maybe two that do that at the very most. If Mills & Menadue had a break even of 40 then fair enough I can totally understand your thoughts, however with break evens of 19 I would strongly suggest to hold on to your rookies and just give them at least one more week, coz a decent score can quite easily see them earning you a ton more cash.

Monkey_Magic

100% agree on holding rookies till they have peaked in cash and their break even is stuffed but if you can get a premium in and trade for a rookie who will make more cash then a quick cash/premium grab won't hurt. I'm 99% trading Mills to Hall and Menadue to Hartley as I've watched Hall enough to know he's a player and Hartley will be a good point scorer in defence. Sometimes you have to sacrifice rooks for premos. We have to remember as well that we can't trade all our rooks so culling dead weight a week or two early is no problem.

Hbrown

Rich cost me the game – trade to B Smith or B Houli? cheers community

Ben

houli

SCaddict

I'd go Houli of those two and stump up with the extra cash. Not sold that Smith will be a top 6 calibre defender this season although he has got off to a decent start.

Holty

he should be playing this week so id hold him. unless you feel all of a sudden he is not a keeper?

Big Carl

I'm liking Houli as well and am considering entertaining a similar trade, Hbrown.

Dean

I have Rich also and I am having this dilemma also, part of me says keep him for now and part of me says trade Rich out and bring Gibson in. I have Rance so thats the only reason why I wont go Houli.

Without a doubt go Houli or Gibbo over Smith.

tuxCS

Do you guys think M.Adams and J.Weitering are keepers? Personally, after watching both of them play last weekend, i think they are. Adams is a big and strong mature aged rookie, he's good at taking intercept marks and he has a good consistent kick on him. Weitering is also in a similar boat for me, and whilst he might not have as good a body as Adams, he can still take intercept marks consistently and i would even go as far as to say that he has a "beautiful" kick.

JamiesNinjas13

Based on history, they will never be keepers especially key position players. I have never had a first year player stay in the side at the end of the season. They will likely be the last upgraded/culled rookies however.

tuxCS

I agree that key position forwards aren't worth it, but surely a key positions defender is? An intercept mark is worth the most points in champion data's scoring system at 8 points, which is equal to a goal, and an effective kick is worth 4 points. So they have the most potential out of anyone on the ground to get 12 points awarded from one 10 second play. I'm pretty sure i saw Adams do this about 6 times, and i saw Weitering do this about 8. I don't know about you but i think this warrants a Key Position Defender to be selected, and if Adams and Weitering can keep this output up, i think it would be silly to think about trading them. Especially considering the lack of scoring power that the Defense provides, with most premium defenders only averaging between 90 – 100. Thank you for the feedback though. 🙂

JamiesNinjas13

Fingers crossed that I'm wrong and they both become keepers! Its hard to gauge a first year player after only 3 games because they have never had to endure a full AFL season. As I said, they will most likely be the last rookies upgraded/cull therefore we can see how they go for a good 15 or so rounds.

tuxCS

Yeah, my fingers are crossed as well! 🙂

Southern S

I think Adams could be.

Jonathan Camac

Yeah same. Weltering and Adams are both in teams seeing a lot of the ball in that backline. They aren't short in supply. I'm hoping they stay keepers.

Big Carl

I think they are at least worth keeping for the majority of the season provided they score well. Once you reach full premo on all other lines you can reassess.

Dean

tuxCS You are spot on regarding Adams he seems the real deal, however now that Murphy is out I am hoping it wont effect his performance. One would automatically think well Adams should get more of the ball which is true but the Doggies are a very tight team driven by Murphy, it was Murphy that really gelled the team perfectly together, along with Bevo off course.
As soon as Griffen became captain for the dogs they fell apart and everyone thought they would be a top side back then but Griffen just didn't have the leadership skills like Murphy has. Fingers crossed Boyd, Morris & Wood step up and fill that leadership void now that Murphy is out for the season.

Lastly generally speaking if your D6 is scoring consistent 80's thats bloody good, I have yet to see a defence side where all 6 defenders averaged 100+
Defence is the most volatile position in FF even if you chose the 6 highest priced defenders I guarantee you they won't all average 100 come season end and worst still those that do may score you a 130 one week and a 60 odd the following basically very inconsistent is what I am getting at.
I would much rather someone that will score you 80+ week in and week out and have a average of 90 come season end, as opposed to a defender that scores inconsistent yet has a average of 100+ at the end of the season.

So that being said it wouldn't surprise me to see Adams as a D6 providing Murphy's void doesn't effect the team, put it this way if Murphy's injury didn't happen, I would not have been surprised to see Adams finish as a top 10 defender, I know thats a big statement and what JamiesNinjas13 said is VERY TRUE, however Adams really does look the real deal, he plays AFL as though he has been playing it for a decade.
As for Weitering im not totally sold on him just yet, I see him as being a nice stepping stone to a premo defender, however I hope I am wrong.

tuxCS

Well thought out and accurate reply there mate. Love seeing that sort of stuff in the comments. I agree 100 percent with the idea of a consistent defender over an inconsistent one.

tuxCS

This week i've made two trades, and with luck they should be the only two trades i have to make until the bye rounds. I traded Mills (who i don't think has the scoring capacity to increase enough for it to be worthwhile keeping him) to Zaharakis, as I think that in an obviously depleted Essendon outfit, he will increase in price alot and will keep a 105-110 average consistently. My second trade is De Goey to Zorko. I actually went to the Collingwood St Kilda game and i didnt see De Goey in the midfield as much as i would have liked, and when he was around the packs, he kind of just stood there and waited for the ball to come to him. De Goey as a player will be quite talented in a couple of years, but as of right now i dont have time to flirt with the possibility of him coming of age, so therefore he is out. After looking at team my structure, i have realized that i only need to make 4 DEFINITE upgrades, and 5 POSSIBLE upgrades, (depending on how those 5 players go), this puts me in a decent position, as in the worst case scenario, i will have to make 18 trades at most, and in my current state, that means that i have 8 trades left for injuries.

Southern S

Zaha already gone up 60k, Mills BE only 19, if he gets a reasonable score this week he's back on track for good profit.

De Goey got an 89, best score of the year for him, if he gets 90+ again this week you'll be kicking yourself.

tuxCS

Even if De Goey scores more than Zorko this week i really wont care. Zorko is a premium and De Goey is a midpricer. I started with De Goey with the intention of using him as a stepping stone, however i gained money through other lines and i have no other use for it right now. Therefore i will just cut the time and increase my teams overall scoring potential. I saw De Goey play in person and he's not ready.

Southern S

Fair enough I'm more patient than you I guess, and will keep De Goey for another week.

A premo you trade in could easily get a score of only 80 anyway. Early days in the season plenty of time to gives players a chance.

Southern S

You're the same person that wanted to trade Dea out too…………………there's a pattern to this way of trigger happy trading.

Foti186

I think mills to score 80 this week.

Dean

Sorry tuxCS but your dreaming mate, if you think with luck trading out Mills to Zaharakis & De Goey to Zorko are going to be your only trades up until the bye rounds then you need more then a luck on your side, you do realise the bye rounds are 10 weeks away don't you?

When you say " as in the worst case scenario, i will have to make 18 trades at most, and in my current state, that means that i have 8 trades left for injuries" END QUOTE
Do you have a crystal ball? Who knows you might end up having a shit load of injuries and each trade will be worth GOLD towards the end.

If you're playing overall rank then YES they are good trades, however you will be using trades in the next 10 weeks prior to the BYES that is for sure and certain.

Be careful because those trades will disappear very bloody fast. Ask crouching, I haven't heard him say "TRADE ASS OFF" for a while now. lol

REN

Do we hold Pendles? I know his a gun but he doesnt seem to be playing enough mid time to be a top 10 mid.

tuxCS

He's still playing with sore ribs mate, and once Buckley realises that playing Pendelbury at the back isnt working, he should be injected back into the mid. Even with him playing with sore ribs now, he's still giving you 100's every week, 100% HOLD.

Big Carl.

I agree with Tux, Buckley has surely got to play him in the guts soon, where he belongs. Definitely hold.

Dee

Agreed….. HOLD.

Southern S

He's averaging 100 and dropped a paltry 30k.

He gets a 140 next week suddenly he's a massive lock and averaging 110 again…………..

Welcome to supercoach.

John

Should i go stefan martin for max gawn?

tuxCS

Absolutely not there John, you picked Martin for a reason, now stick by your decision.

Holty

why? As Crouching would say, your chasing the car. Martin is averaging 104.

Westy

Read this as max gain rather than max gawn. Same same!

Doc

Can some one clarify if it's possible to make a 3way substitution without trading.

Eg Blicavs Mid > ruck, grimley, ruck> forward, Kennedy forward > mid.

siri

Nope….. but havent tried…. never had the blitz in my team

Michael

I think you can Doc.

Step 1:
Click trade on grimley

Step 2: sub Blicavs into the ruck

Step 3: sub Kennedy into the mid

Step 4: When you only have a forward to pick. Pick Grimley

Have fun!! if it works. Had Blicavs last year didn't try anything like this but i would think it would work

Damo

Even if that worked wouldn't it cost you one of your precious 30 trades??

siri

If it works it wont cost a trade. He already got the players… hes simply moving them around

Hoot

Doesn't work.

Tried it years ago.

Derek

No. You need to make a trade.

Otherwise only your DPP swing sets can change.

Always look at doing multi movements when you trade. Even a simple MID to MID can offer other position changes

Michael

My team is:

B: Laird, JJ, Birchall, Weitering, Dea, Adams (Broad, Tippa)

M: GAJ, Jelwood, Shiel, Wines, Libba, B.Crouch, Parish, Mills (Petracca, R.Davis, Menadue)

R: Gawn, Mummy (Grimley)

F: Martin, Hall, Barlow, Wells, BKen, Kerridge (Papley, M.Brown)

597K left in the kitty

What should I do? give me suggestions and I'll help you with your SC dilemas

tuxCS

I'd probably think about trading out barlow there mate, even though he did manage to pull out a 99, that was with mundy missing and with sandilands playing. Next week Sandilands will be out and the week after that Mundy comes back into the side, pushing Barlow back into the forwards. I'd go a straight swap to Zorko if i were you. Other then that its all looking pretty decent, keep a close eye on B.Crouch and just wait until your rookies max out in value. When that time comes around, start upgrading as you please.

fatboyfat7

I agree with Trigger Happy, Mills or Mendue to Danger for me. You need Dangerfield and Menadue's last 2 performances have been poor. Wait until teams are named and might give you some clarity.

Hawks

Dangerfield will be important, but if you want to keep your producing rookies, I would do-

Houli in for M.Brown via swing.

I would trust Adams up forward more than BenKen or Papley, and Houli is a keeper. You also retain you def/fwd swing.

Paul

Has anyone ever had a start to the year like Jarrad Waite, yet still be considered untouchable? It almost seems stupid that he's in 2.7% only, any probably won't get much higher than that despite averaging 139.7 so far….

tuxCS

Well in all honestly Paul, i think that he might have a chance this year, as he only scored 2 or 3 goals last week and still managed to score 120+. I probably have to watch his next game and see what role hes playing.

Southern S

He plays on the HF, his role won't be changing at all. Doesn't mean his scoring won't drop dramatically soon.

Going on historical stats, his (and every big forward's) scoring will be a roller coaster ride.

Dee

what's his BE?

Southern S

BE 1

Southern S

Boat has been missed. Big forward line boats can easily sink anyway.

Mac

Are there any rookies that should be culled this week?

Tulendeena

not yet
Hewett is closest, but 29 is easily reachable (you'd hope!)

T man

The struggles of updated scores community. Had my guy in the league beat by 5. Dangerfield only had 154, came back and then he had 166. Putting the guy in front by 7. Had rich on the ground who did not play, had both brown and tippa has bench cover, tippa 71, brown, 38. Got given Browns which resulted in me losing by 7, same feeling as the doggies I know I was he better team, just made an error in bench cover.
Anyways at this stage, I'm only using on trade?
Rich to Houli.
Went to the Richmond game, and Houli looks sharp and his first 3 rounds proves it. Could be up there with one of the best if not the best defender this year

Paul

I'm tipping though that if you only had 1 emergency in the back line you would have gone with Brown.

Southern S

As if anybody would do that, tippa has a better score per min, and has a higher low score etc.

Not sure why anybody would put both players on E anyway you get the lowest score.

T man

Well brown scored over 70 last round, plus I didn't know that they gave you the lowest score, I thought it was the highest.
Stupid rule.

Chill

Considering just a straight swap of Barlow to Buddy.
No other issues in my team. Nervous about how Barlow will perform without Sandi.

tuxCS

Barlow to either Hall, Zorko or Z.Merrett are all better options than buddy.

Big Carl

Barlow still not playing much in the midfield, more a half forward role that runs through the guts occasionally. I don't think Sandi's absence will impact him as much as people think.

Boltons Blues

I want Luke Parker but dont want to waste 2 trades getting him, nor do i want to cull one of my mids to get him, decisions, decisions

Southern S

Don't like the sounds of it, can't have all the form players, plus things can change.

Boltons Blues

the kid has taken his game to another level but, im sticking by my boy Patty Cripps

Bing

McKenzie definitely is out for me community, and it's either Hartley or Ruggles who comes in.
Thoughts community?

Mac

Ruggles, Hartley may get dropped for Grima this week

Michael

Ruggles.

Woosha: "We've been pretty happy with Michael Hartley, so we've got to weigh all that up, but Grima's available this week. We didn't really consider him for selection last week [as we] wanted to get him as fit as we possibly could first''

Suggests that Hartley will go out for Grima.

Here's the article link: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-11/bombers-loo

Bing

Ruggles has only played the one game though. Is it too risky to trade him in after one, or you reckon his JS is quite safe with Thurlow being out for the year?

Southern S

There's always an element of risk trading in any rookie.

Will lonergan come back in next week? The week after?

Phil

I still think Hartleys JS is as good as Ruggles (if not better) with or without Grima. Can't see why they can't play both, Hartley has been solid, it was Gwilt that struggled undersized. Also, can't see Grima stringing too many games together going off what North fans have been saying, he has a crook back

Southern S

Agreed, hartley will get more games than ruggles.

JamiesNinjas13

If essendon were focused mostly on development then Hartley should play every game all season. He was drafted and is apart of the Essendon list. Grima is a top up who won't be there next year. The way I see it is the top ups (especially the talls) will rotate all year to provide senior body support.

mark

What should I do community
M. Brown to JJ or Brodie Smith

tuxCS

Ive seen very good things from JJ, the way he plays is very good in supercoach terms.

Michael

JJ. Only got 70 on Sunday but i'm sure he will come back and score a ton against Carlton.

dangerman

Thoughts on Greene to either zorko or dahlhaus? Who is best option? Or is there better options already have hall

Mac

Zorko, POD

MOC

Need to trade 1 of Pendles, Wines. Already trading Greene to zaha

Marco_Polo94

you dont need to trade any of those players

Southern S

Exactly, want and need are two different things.

tuxCS

Agree with Marco 100%, Pendles and Wines will end the year with a 100 average, no need to trade them, they are solid m6-m8 options.

Dee

HOLD both…. what's wrong with you?!

Glenn

Sitting 500th overall and going to pull the trigger on sheridan and greene and bring in ruggles and robbie grey, this leaves with smith/gibson and all rookies down back but with mid field of hanners,fyfe,ablett,danger,grey,wines,hunter,

Interested for your thoughts?

Southern S

Ruggles could end up a donut in a week or two, maybe a little early to lose faith in sheridan?

Glenn

I think ive already lost faith im hoping he can average 70 which is around sheridan anyway, gotta take some risk some where and scott said he wanted him inside for round 1 if it was possible so he must like him

Southern S

I just see ruggles in and lonergan out as a structural change, not sure it will last.

If opponents have a bigger and taller forward line then lonergan will come back in.

Beagz

now is not the time to take a risk like that. You're 500th overall, this time of season the number 1 thing that is going to make you fall back to the pack is silly, nervous trades.

Hold strong, wait until your rookies are ripe, then pull the trigger in the bye rounds. It sounds simple because it is.

Glenn

My other option is weitering/selwood

Benjamima Puddleduck

better off holding until ruggles will make cash

Michael

Any ideas on what to do with Mckenzie and Greene, I've only got 5k in the bank, any ideas community.

Southern S

Need more details ie your entire team

tuxCS

Downgrade Mckenzie to Ruggles, upgrade Greene to Zorko, Hall or R.Gray

The Mountain

Don't downgrade to ruggles, he has played one game and only played because lonegan got droppped, not injured, so he will can come out of the side at anytime

DadSmasher

Lonergan got dropped on form and Ruggles came in and did better. That sort of suggests that his JS is currently better than lonergans doesn't it?

Sean

JJ or Brodie Smith?

Vindude

JJ for sure, he will come back and ton up against the Blues!!

Dee

I'm liking Brodie Smith a lot this week….

Benjamima Puddleduck

Smith

Tom

is B.Crouch to Zaharakis a good trade or should I hold?

Southern S

Why didn't you do that trade last week before zaha's price rise?

I'm not sure it's a great move now,

Phil

Zaha would have to ave 110 from here on for it to be worthwhile. I think he will average 105 so I'd say not a good trade, but not a terrible one either. You could maybe justify it if Crouch is absent this week and your only backups are spuds (ie Hewitt, Davis)

Southern S

News just in Crouch out for another 3-4 weeks according to crows website. (credit to sean's mob)

Start looking carefully at your options. Zaha already had a big price rise, but still fairly impressive in a tough game at Adelaide Oval.

DadSmasher

It's a high value points increase Tom and there's nothing wrong with those sorts of trades.

Westy

Barlow to Ablett. Too many round 14 bye players I my team which impacts on Parker

DEFNZS

Took a gamble on matty Boyd ad had a great record under the roof that hasn't come off. Watched last two games and he gets plenty of the ball in the first half in fact has been close to the highest point scorer in both matches but goes awol in.second half. Maybe an age thing? I know we shouldn't trade premos but I don't think he is a premo anymore.

Possible trades? Straight swap for houli or ?

As shaw has a high be plan on upgrading another Def to him next week.

Big Carl

HOLD. The injury to Bob Murphy could see him get more of the ball in the coming matches.

Monkey_Magic

Keep him, I'm waiting for to drop further so I can trade him in, will get a lot of the ball!

Ethan017

anyone trading in Jarrad Waite number 1 scoring player in the comp

Southern S

Not a chance.

DadSmasher

Yep I've traded him in Ethan. I had McGovern stinking up my backline and Dea on the pine so I traded the gov sent walla down back and used part of my cash surplus to get Waite. If he gets knocked out at the first bounce he'll still go up 40k

fatboyfat7

Don't have him but I will admit his ceiling is HUGE. Reminds me of the Cloke Bruyn manoeuvre a few ago, don't see keeping it up all year but if you were on early then happy days. Dunno is it too late now though…

azza

do people think sam gray should be traded out? averaging same as barlow and was on 50 at HT last week before copping some friendly fire..

Dee

is JJ still a must have after that 70 on the weekend?

Dee

I'm thinking C. Enright, B. Smith, KK or even Malceski….

Ethan017

Was never a must have even if he does produce 70s everyone has him

Southern S

He was never a must, but he was a good risk move on an in form player of his potential for 418k.

A low score of 70 is fine against the best team in the comp.

Southern S

He was a must for 418k with 2 big scores behind him.

I still think he is a good value keeper for the backline and will average 90-100.

But if looking at him right now for 450k and a 70 then it doesn't look so great.

This is why I wanted him before the hawks game, lock him in cheap and have faith. Waiting for him to increase in price and play the premiers was a poor choice.

SD6_

Consider it a POD to not have him

Banksie700

community, i was thinking of trent mckenzie to hartley and then barlow to zorko thoughts?

Banksie700

or maybe even ruggles

Mac

Ruggles

Benjamima Puddleduck

Hartley, people who say Ruggles have no idea

Southern S

Barlow could use another week.

People are locking in ruggles after one week in a geelong team that omitted lonergan.

I repeat omitted. Not injured. Depending on opponents ruggles could be dropped at any time.

People locking ruggles in after one week are amateurs, take note.

If we think things through then hartley should have better job security in the top ups, and we can check if he's playing his third game (just in time for price rise) before we lock him in this week.

Banksie700

yeah im not really sure what to do with mckenzie

Poljal

Looking to upgrade Hewett using cash left over from Rocky to Papley last week;

Thoughts on?
Gray/Parker/Fyfe

Cam_H

Poljal,
I'm in a similar situation myself. For now I'm going with the decision to bring in Fyfe, but you can also add Zorko to that list, and I'm even having a sideways glance at Montagna and Boomer with the old Fwd-Mid switcharoo, despite their tooth length.

Danners

#Fyfeislife he needs to come in

Poljal

Second look and I'm about 1k short for FYFE, will need to go Mills/Menadue instead for that to worm

DadSmasher

Mills and Menadue are both bench players Fyffe is a freak who scores big points regularly. Unless your contest is for the most $ not contributing to team score get fyffe whatever it takes.
Ha if the cheetahs slogan had have been 'Get Fyffe whatever it takes' instead of 'We'll inject whatever it takes' we wouldn't have so many cheap defenders.

Poljal

Haha yeah just feel Mills and Menadue have a bit more cash growth left in them compared to Hewett

DadSmasher

I agree but you can't beat points on the scoreboard

Benjamima Puddleduck

Fyfe going to do the ruck work now since Sandi is sidelined.
New play by Lyon…….

=/

Hah jk, but wouldnt be surprised if Lyon tried to pull something like that

Ethan017

I'm downgrading Michael Barlow then upgrading Rockliff to Ablett
Needs to be under 410k
Jordan De Goey, Matthew Wright or Kane Lambert
Leaning towards De Goey

Banksie700

i have been looking at lambert, who are you going to upgrade after this trade?

Ethan017

Rockliff to Ablett

tuxCS

Ive got Lambert, i wouldnt recommend trading into him. I personally like Wright as he plays a follower role for carlton.

Southern S

If you really have to (which you don't) then De Goey is going the worse out of the three, so seems the wise trade.

You've already sat one week on rocky with a donut, so I'd probably just wait one more for him to play again.

Barlow just got 100 and you've already lost a bit of cash on him.

Just seems you're a week late on these trades, last week I probably would've said go for it.

Big G

All 30 trades left. Is a corrective change from a forward premium currently averaging 90 to Zorko/Aaron Hall pointless or good thinking?

Southern S

Why wouldn't you lock hall in last week before price rise. Corrective trades should be done in week one and two.

Anyway Hall went up 60k kinda missed out there, but if he keeps going like he is then he'll be worth 600k eventually anyway.

Who's the forward averaging 90 you wanna trade?

hubba

yep – Round 2 is def the only round you def should be taking the opportunity to make 2 corrective trades – unless your team is perfect of course

Big G

Point taken. Forward is Wingard, whom I see averaging 90-100 Seeing Zorko hasn't only played 2, I was thinking of grabbing him now as he may average 105-110 with all the lions gun mids gone, but it could be a pointless trade. Stand by my originally selected premiums ?

Southern S

Wingard to Hall last week would've been the perfect trade as it was an innured player to a player with a large price rise and in ripping form.

It's now a 500k keeper to another 500k keeper. Wingard will probably play this week.

@footy_bec

Wingard will be back this week. I'd hold.

DadSmasher

It's all a question of timing Big G. Burn Wingard now to get hall or wait six weeks and burn wingard plus your best rookie to get Hall

Monkey_Magic

Keep Winguard, burn someone else this week for Hall.

Ben

This week im going:
Graham- Parker
Greene – dusty
Had a lot lf cash from the barlow to papley downgarde last week.
Now have 26 trades left.
Feel both are worthy upgrades as it will provide my team with some more consitent scoring.
Thoughts?

Mac

Personally would go Greene to Zorko

Southern S

Agreed

Coxy

I know it's a sin, but I'm thinking of side trading premos. Pendlebury for Fyfe. I feel pendleburys niggling injuries will hurt him for a majority of the season. Don't want to miss the boat on fyfes price reduction either. Should I back myself in or is it a waste of a trade?

Southern S

Pendlebury still averaging 100 I wouldn't.

Glenn

Pies are only few more losses off season being cooked, wouldnt expect pendles to be playing at the end of the year when season is over

Southern S

Pendles will still be playing at season's end, unless he is injured but his ribs will be healed way before that time.

Glenn

No chance hes playing last few rounds if his had nagging injuries through year and there season is done

Southern S

If he's got nagging injuries no, but it's round 4, he'll probably be 100% at round 10………….

Dee

waste…

james

got tom cutler and he was a spud again and i feel like he needs to go i have 143k in the bank do i trade him up to Bsmith or downgrade him to ruggles and then use the 350k left to upgrade gresham to buddy i scored over 2500 this week

my current defence
Houli, Laird, Sheridan, Weitering, Adams, Dea (Tipungwuti, Cutler)

my fwd line
Barlow, Hall, De goey, Wells, Kerridge, Mccarthy (menadue pap)

so community is it better to make my DEF or FWD stronger

Gord29

i would go down to ruggles and upgrade gresham

Southern S

I wouldn't trade in Ruggles till he's played two and named for his third.

Benjamima Puddleduck

I have Cutler too, thought he may have at least performed a little better than he has. By no means is he playing bad, his SC relevance isnt that good. He isnt losing money yet, so will hold another week.
Dont trade in Ruggles till he makes cash, bring him in now, he might play next week then miss 6 games on the trot and your left with a semi wasted trade.

Hartley is your man to bring in this week, if you are to make a trade.