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PODCAST: Ye of little faith

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Supercoach post round 1 podcast

NO. I DIDN’T PICK BLOODY ABLETT

I summonsed the SC Gods over the week and yes, I copped a serve. Fear not, I am sticking fat with my decision to go Ablett-less and I implore all of you guys to do the same – stuck to your guns and back yourself in. One week doesn’t make a pooftank swallow’s spring fart of difference. Stay cool, be cool and the riches of Fantasy Gold await.

This week;

We give you all that you need to know about getting down to your local venue to play CoachKings this week!

We look at some of the spuds like Barlow, Pendles and Green and clear your path to glory.

We outline all of the Rookie “must haves” to set up your cash generation for the season.

Important announcement re the roll out of CoachKings to venues over the next few weeks (see fixtures and venue list for Round 2 below)

Sit back, chuck the old earphone bud things in your ear and enjoy this week’s crucial trouser defining podcast.


COACHKINGS ROUND 2 FIXTURE

(SA Venues have the Adelaide v Port Adelaide game as the first of the double header games on Saturday)

Coach Kings Victorian Round 2 Fixture

ROUND 2 COACHKINGS VENUES

VICTORIA

Hotel Barkly – St Kilda
Doyles Bridge Hotel – Mordialloc
Trios Sports Club – Cranbourne
The Wonthaggi Club – Wonthaggi
Caledonian Hotel – Wonthaggi

SOUTH AUSTRALIA

Torrens Arms Hotel – Kingswood
The Morphett Arms Hotel – Glengowrie
Arkaba Hotel – Fullarton
Warradale Hotel – Warradale
Renmark Club – Up on the Murray in Renmark

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Cam

In Ablett we trust

Bakx

Pretty happy with my mid 2300s score considering the likes of Greene and Fyfe spudded up… Hindsight is a horrible thing, as up until the final week of the preseason I had Ward and Johanissen (260ish combined) in my team, whereas just before the lockout I traded them out for Fyfe and Greene (110is combined)… Had I stuck with my guns I would have reached 2500!

Cam

If there is a lesson to learn, last minute panic reactions come back to bite you in the ass. There is a reason you have a dude in your team come 1 week before the season starts, stay strong and don't get sucked in by hype at the last minute

Cam

Haha, my last minute "11th hour" panic move was against my instincts and research and dropped Mitch Robinson to put Ablett back in the guts. Considering SOG's game and Mitch's injury I think it panned out alright…

Southern S

'Panic move was go with my instincts and against my research'

Fixed above comment for you.

Great swap. So far anyway………Hope Ablett's body holds up for yours and my sake.

Cam

actually, it was the other way around!

Through the guts I was picking robust, durable players. I don't care about average scores, it's the season total that matters. That's why I'd argue Pendlebury has probably been the best SC player as his last 5 seasons he's ranked 1st (22 games), 20th (18 games), 1st (22 games), 2nd (21 games) and 1st (22 games) for total points scored.

Ablett's injury history scares me and most of Robinson's time off is due to suspension but I think being in the leadership group and a B&F winner at Brisbane might help clear that up. His last 7 games in 2015 he averaged about 119… but got Ablett-FOMO and booted Mitch for his holiness. Worked out ok so far but still looking to bring in the rednut at some stage.

Kev

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Last 10 or so days of preseason I switched between and gnr defence and a midprice one. A midprice one would have been better off this week but I'm not gonna trade Shaw and Laird just because they weren't the best. Long way to go

Dan

Positive is Shaw had 30 possies…just shite DE in a losing team.

@lewiswgrant

First one out of the stadium doesn't always win the marathon. We all have similiar stories – plenty of options which creates that uncertainty. Be confident in your research and it will pay off.

Puck Jump

Jocks last minute podcast about trading out JJ for Suckling absolutely convinced me to do the same and I have to admit to having feelings of rage at my last minute panic over the gut trust move. I'm shattered actually. Terrible words from Jock in the last hours pre-lockout that have rendered me disgruntled…

Tom

I know its only round 1 but im seriously thinking JJ is going to be a must have in defence especially with the doggies next 7 games at etihad

Im thinking Boyd to JJ and Harwood to Brodie Smith. It looks like madness but Harwood's score 37 means he isnt playing the rebounding defensive role i thought he would and I think I need tog et rid of him before he burns me some more.

Kev

Understand your thinking Tom but not harm in waiting an extra week. JJ might get a forward tag this week

Bill

No such thing as a forward tag anymore Kev. Dont remember the last time Ive seen it

Hazey

Used to be called manning up back in the day. Now no one does it 🙁

Dan

Agreed. One more week before the price rise.

Southern S

Really depends on your situation. If you have major repairs to do on your team, like crap rookies, a few failing mid pricers then you may have to move quickly.

If you don't feel you are in a bad situation it is far superior to wait another week. One score in SC means nothing.

Rawkus11

If JJ can go large again next round and if Houli spuds it up again and Weitering scores 80+ next week i'm an outside chance of going Houli to JJ and Ruggles to Weit.
Provided my team is still injury free

rosy

I'm worried about JJ when he gets tagged. He looks fantastic right now but that's because opposition coaches have ignored him. Can he handle the extra attention when they realise he is the key half-back runner?

We'll know soon. Hope he does well.

Southern S

Tagger can't catch him.

Kang Van Der Bang

Community. Thoughts on Rockliff – If I can make 2 trades which would result in an upgrade to Dangerfield – is it worth it?

My score was 2200+

Cam

2 trades down already is dangerous, a round 2 injury could rule this a complete waste of a trade as there is no price change this week

Dools

bad bad move, Kang, premiums are for the season….

judd0

Yeah mate go for it, then just make sure you reverse it before Friday night.
That way you'll get to feel better because you made the trades and you won't be wasting your trades on a silly move after rd 1.

Craig

No, you want to pick up Danger later on after he's had a couple of quiet weeks, if he has them, when his price has dropped a bit.

Ricky's 89 wasn't a complete disaster anyway, and you still reached 2200 which is maybe a little under par, I hit 2214, and that wasn't a disaster either.

Anyway, you don't trade after round 1 in any case beause there are no price changes yet. Wait to use your first two trades on corrections or the best rookies.

Craig

** Rocky

Southern S

Rocky hurt his wrist and still got 89, and is said to be fine for next game.

Enough said.

Bowski

Rocky is a gun & hadn't played a preseason game and still scored 89. He'll be back up over 120's in no time

@rileyflanigan24

Last minute switch from Danger to Fyfe for Captain, now waiting to watch Fyfe score 150+ while I have the C on Danger this week
That's supercoach for ya

Benjamima Puddleduck

Gotta remeber he wont score 160 week after week.
or will he…? =D

Its Selwood's turn this week

TJD

Anyone else have Fyfe captain and couldn't loophole bcoz all rookies played ? Bloody 2020 :((

Mitch McGovern to Papley . Waste of trade or worth it ??

Tony

As a North supporter, I was pretty impressed with McGovern on Saturday. I think he probably has pretty good JS, which is half the battle with rookies. Can't see the Sydney rookies keeping up the same standard – Collingwood were horrendous.

Bill

Probably not worth it, the Smear will put up 50s most weeks and JS probably isnt as good. Id hold unless he goes big again next week then ride his price rise.

John Hines

Wait on the teams on Thursday night then make a decision

sambochristie

If you're going to make this trade, wait until next week. Prices don't change until the conclusion of round 3.

A lot can play out in one week.

Big Fella

Smart thinking

Daniel

I did that exact trade this week, plus I have the other 2 Sydney boys already

Pman35

As always superb work Jock and boys, am hoping for some advice from the community. I agonised over Sidebottom and Treloar all summer and with Sidey in the end whose gone and managed to get himself rubbed out for 2 weeks. I'm a big fan of Sidey and had him last year and he burnt me in Rd 1 (again!) by breaking his thumb and missing the next 8. Once bitten, twice shy….is it wrong to rage trade Sidebottom for Treloar or Luke Parker? Don't want to be playing a bench player in first week of head to head either so bit torn on what to do. Thoughts?

@emhoy

I would keep Sidey he is only out for 2 weeks and we have some nice bench mid/fwd rookies who can cover. Trades are gold and you should only trade premiums for Long term injuries.

Pman35

Sound advice, will hold and will wait and see the lay of the land after Rd 2…Cheers.

Balls

If Greene spuds it up again next week is he certain goner? And who are viable replacement options

Randomclcihe

Green the butcher. You made your bed now lay in it. Rage trade at your peril. If your team looks great have 15 keepers (sans butcher) and smear is named with BE of -100 and you don't have him then maybe. Otherwise it's best you fully appreciate the beautiful quote about farts from jock.

Patch

Hold this week, but if he again plays like a potato I'd kick him out the park. Aaron Hall a lock if you don't have him, Sam Gray putting his hand up. And – if he tons up again next week in another shellacking – Zach Merrett will be making significant moves to ender my side.

CoachDamo

Patch is right, give him another chance. Even if he only scores 75 this week, have some patience. That being said, if he comes out with 30 points next week then Sam Gray might be a good option (if you don't have Hall).

Falcon

Im worried because he looked go tag tyson and viney
snd the have geelong this week

Shezza

S Gray. He played high forward – mid role and is an accumulator

John Hines

My only concern is Jack Steele I'm not sure if he's in GWS best 22 should I trade him out for Wells or hold my nerve??

Beagz

He's a better player than he showed this week. I was very close to having him in my team but a last minute restructure saw me drop him. I still want him in just not sure at what point. I would say he'd be extremely unlucky to get pushed out of the best 22.

Southern S

Jack Steele wasn't the only one who under performed. He has a lot of potential surely he'll be in the team next week.

If he's not named then maybe there's a case for trading.

Southern S

If jack steele gets his projected 61, then his BE will be 80, not exactly in any dire situation.

I can see him getting 80+ next week.

Holty

agree. I just hope Greene keeps spudding it up so Steele can play more time in the middle

John Hines

I can't believe that Fyfe is the second most traded out player it's a total waste of a trade always stick with your premos even if they have a shit game

Beagz

I started with no fyfe and no ablett and won't be changing based on this round. Can't understand messing with your premos after 1 bloody game.

Beagz

All aboard the jj train!?

I managed to wrangle a 13th placed score this week after a last minute restructure saw me get rid of the bulldog and change other lines. Now I'm wondering if it was the right move long term!

I would advise patience around the young bloke. Give him another few games and if he keeps going the way it looks get him in!!

Beagz

13th over a jock! Managed to knock out a 2493. Not expecting that every week but if that's the upper of my starting team than I'm happy to only play with rookies and bench for the first 6 or 7 rounds. Then re evaluate who looks to be like a keeper this year.

Beagz

Overall *

@grayson_lowee

Great stuff fellas, as always. My advice to everybody here is to keep calm and trust in your premiums, and DONT make any rage trades, I.E trade out a player because he had one bad week. For me i think you should wait until halfway through the season to make any sideways trades (if any)

mark

Should I trade out McGovern for JJ

Sana

See advice above mate

sambochristie

A potential factor here is if McGovern misses. I don't think he trained today, he's got a test later this week. I think he'll be alright though. If he is alright, back him in mate. You picked him for a reason.

Tiges

Must HOLD your nerves this week community. Keep an eye on the rookies once they're on the bubble, if Papley explodes he could be worth a correction trade this week. However, I still don't think his JS is good enough with a few senior players yet to return.

I'm only playing the waiting game with Robinson and his calf niggle, hopefully he comes out and destroys North this weekend!

Northerner

In a side that got smashed, Robinson was looking OK until he went off for the whole of the last quarter just as the game opened up a bit and he would have added 25ish to his score and no one would be questioning him

Tiges

Great point! Thought he was going pretty well,just had poor disposal efficiency, hopefully the team goes a bit better this week and he comes out and gets 110+

Simmo6

Missing 1-2.. Did look good up till his injury.. Will you hold?

Average Joe

Brad Crouch + Ruggles —-> B Kennedy + C Oliver???

I know Crouch will play better as the season progresses but kennedy and oliver are both looking the goods, and together those two should make more money than crouch and ruggles. Thoughts?

Tiges

Don't know how you've missed the boat on both of those picks but depending how your team looks this week, I'd wait one more week.

Although if you don't have Kennedy in your team, won't be going anywhere this season IMO. One of the better cheaper picks

Southern S

You say it like Oliver was and is a guaranteed lock? It's been one round…………..

He could easily be dropped by melbourne for Angus Brayshaw or Petracca then you have a 200k rookie with no job security.

Randomclcihe

Kennedy looking good, but I'd reckon b crouch will outscore him or oliver. You can pick every 200k player who bolts or team would end up a pile of stink because you'd have no premos. Crouch might yet become a keeper. You could me the case for either of the two Essendon 200kish players that did okay. Just ask yourself how it best makes you get to full premo and cover injury trades and you'll see light.

Benjamima Puddleduck

Will be more like he will play VFL when Brayshaw and Petracca are ready to slot back into the side.

Baggy Pants

I would stick with Ruggles for a little longer he played well in a practice match on the weekend. 28 disposals and 12 marks. Until he gets named use him to loophole.

Southern S

How would you trade a mid and a defender for a mid/fwd and a mid anyway?

Interesting.

Average Joe

you swap a dpp fwd/def player (like m adams, m brown or tippa) from fwd to def

Southern S

Ah of course. Brain failing.

CoachDamo

Kennedy should be in your team but it's too soon to trade out Brad Crouch. Keep in mind he started slowly, hardly touched the ball in the first half but finished the game really well. He should get better so I'm not sure why you'd trade him out.

Sana

Gresham got better JS than Hewett community?

Tiges

Nope. 50/50 to be dropped this week IMO, Hewett's performed well in the NAB and showed he can dance on the big stage, reckon his JS doesn't look too bad at all. Playing against Carlton this week so reckon all those rookie price players get another gig, hopefully he destroys it and locks away his JS.

Southern S

Not a chance Gresham has better job security, doesn't matter if he's at a rebuilding club.

Plus Hewett got drafted in 2013, he's ready to stay at AFL level if he performs.

Pinidu

Community, I currently have Parish at M8 but unfortunately didn't pick Ben Kennedy. If Kennedy gets another 80+ score this week, should I consider a correction trade in round 3?

Would love to catch yer thoughts as well Jock

Tiges

Hold this week but yes, strongly consider Kennedy. Kid could be the fattest cash cow of the lot.

Dean

yeah as you said wait this week, as I say your getting a free look at players in round 2. To answer your question though if Kennedy scores 60+ just bring him in once round 3 is named.

Same with Pap smear.

Baggy Pants

Wait a week Pinidu. Parish had more disposals, marks and tackles than Kennedy his efficiency was down a little. Give him another week and see how he goes.

Northerner

Please everyone ignore the BreakEvens this week. The system uses an assumption that their week 2 score will be the same as their week 1 score.

That's the reason Fyfe is showing a 250+ breakeven. It will sort itself after this week's games. I suspect that's why people are trading him

Juzzy

Ta Northerner,

Good info.

Southern S

Unless it's using their projected 2nd week score?

Juzzy

Good call community.

Hold off on the rage trades. Having said that … the only one I am worried about is Greene.
Based on his performance he should probably get dropped this week.
Still will hold. Trades are gold.

Southern S

Based on a lot of GWS player's performances they should get dropped this week, but they won't.

Rocksta

Greene isnt a premo, period!

His performance was insipid and round 1 or not, he's not a midfielder's hind quarters.
Goodbye Greene, hello Hall!

Hawks

Essendon rookie defenders were terrible, and I'm starting to think they won't get better. Thought they would be ok because the ball would be in Essendon's defence so much of the game, only problem was they got beaten so much.

Considering a downgrade from Fyfe to Ablett after round 2, and then an upgrade from Dea to Rich.

Thoughts please, I know Ablett won't play Essendon every week.

Lazy_Simmo

I've been thinking similar Hawks. They were bloody terrible and Dea @$180k ish will surely struggle to make any coin.
I was thinking JJ over Rich with first 7 games on the speed track Etihad.
Would Crouching say BANG BANG ?!!

Southern S

Patience, Dea will make money.

Holty

yeah i was saying that was always going to be the risk selecting them. When you are getting belted and the ball is in your defense all the time, you lose structure and all you want to do is stop your opponent from getting it. They simply will be to afraid to go get the ball in the fear their opponent will kick plenty of goals and they will be dropped for the next week. Unfortunately though, we dont have to many options in the backline so until another Adams comes along, we will just have to ride this train and hope.

The Ranger

I agree Holty, I'm worried about them but I'm holding them for another week.
I went in with Brown and McDT so can swing them about to jump on another rook if one pops up for R3.
And Hawks mate, hold Fyfe, as Jock said, one fig is not good.

REN

I started Shannon Hurn thinking he would be back to that rebounding defender like he showed in NAB but that doesnt look like the case.

Should I sideways trade to Smith/JJ or stick fat?

Ethan

dont waste trades

Dean

Why are u asking STUPID bloody questions, did you listen to the pod cast, or can't you read that everyone is answering this question for you 50 times before you asked it for the 51st time? Everyone in the pod cast, along with everyone typing on here have said numerous times N"O BLOODY SIDEWAYS TRADES" and just wait another week.

Mr. Booby-buyer

I guess it depends on the size of plum,
common wisdom suggests that it's dumb,
but r u a sheep or r u a shark?
Does warm or cold blood run through your heart?

siri

Community….. what to do with Sidebum???
Thanks

BCHawks

Depends who your other midfielders are but if you have the cash I would trade to Hannebery scored 100 from 2 and a bit quarters and looks the goods.

siri

Thanks hawk.
I was going to see how rookies go before trading but unfortunately pies are playing friday night.

Option 1 ablett
Option 2 get anyother midfielder (hannes…..)

SCaddict

Yes Gaz is the bigger priority I feel, if you can stretch to him. After that Parker, Hanners, Pridda, Ward and R.Gray all look fine alternatives but I would get Gazza in this week despite Jock's continuing reservations over the bald genius.

SCaddict

Playing mainly for rank then trade but playing mainly for league titles then hold.

Dean

Thats a tough call, depending who you have to cover him?

BigHaydos

Everyone going mad about corrective trades has me laughing in my seat. It's round one, put some cold water on the slippah. No injuries? Keep on rolling.

My question though, who will the community be slapping the captaincy on this weekend? I know Ablett will be popular and that's fair enough, but I'm strongly considering putting the captaincy on big Goldstein or Max Gawn.

Goldy playing against the lions, could be a huge score and the same theory with Max Gawn playing against the bombers.

BigHaydo

Wanting to loophole but my only nonplaying player thus far is wyatt and he plays on Friday night!

Foti186

Don't think godly will score the same against Martin. Stick with ablett IMO. If you have him

Southern S

Goldy scored 154 and 127 vs martin last year.

Holty

he scored 150+ both times last year against Martin.

Dean

Goldy against arguably the 3rd best ruckman in Martin, I think Goldy will score between 90 to 120 but doubt he will score 130+

However that being said I can see Gawn scoring 130+

Sana

Martin is barely a top 10 ruck, he's only top 3 in SuperCoach scoring. Goldy will crush him

Southern S

Has Gawn ever rucked against Luenberger, will be interesting but hard to call scores right now. Luen when fit can match up pretty good against certain ruckmen.

Seeing as Goldmember has scored 127 and 154 vs brisbane last year I'd say he clearly beats Martin.

Goldie's score of 127 (39 HO) was against Luen and Martin, where Luen actually did quite well in the ruck with 33 hitouts, Martin 23.

The score of 157 (37 HO) was also against Luen and Martin, Martin 22 hitouts, Luen 8.

When two big lads like that can't stop him scoring big it's pretty obvious that Martin being the third best ruckmen is irrelevant to goldie's scoring.

Anyway haydos imo ignore the naysayers and go with your gut (or the stats shown above), Goldy will more than likely kick Martin's ass.

Bighaydos

Yeah I think I might go with goldstien. If he is ever a target up forward he will take grabs as well. Simply because the lions have little amounts of tall timber in defence and I really think goldstien will have a big day out at the Gabba. I might be going to watch the game for my 24th birthday. See what happens. Go lions and go goldy! Haha

Craig

Danger against GWS must be strong in calculations to retain the C. Like Naitanui against McEvoy too. Going with the form I suppose.

Sana

Nic Nat in the Grand Final? 64… 1 good round does not a captain make

Holty

That's why we have Goldy. always put the vc or c on him.

RobDogs

Is there a Jock Reynolds group yet?

Great podcast gentlemen, is great to have the season underway now just hanging for the Head to Head starting. Woo Hoo, footy's back!

james

mitch robinson has been confirmed to miss 1-2 weeks with a calf injury
does this mean we trade?
source- lions fb page

BCHawks

I would can't see him averaging much over 95 even when he does come back. I either sideways to S.Gray or down to Hall if you don't have him.

Southern S

Could be one week!

Keep as you obviously have faith in him if you picked him.

Randomclcihe

Thanks for the update James. Got him in my side. I normally hold for 1 to 2 week issues. 3 to 4 normally starts my trading weapon. I've missed a couple of rookies though so I might have an easy out in a week or so.

BCHawks

Happy with my round 1 score of 2209 thanks to Danger as captain.
Almost scored as much in my draft team with 2164. Currently ranked 2nd overall not that it matters.
Loved the podcast the past 2 years I have wasted 2 trades so this week so I will be holding for sure.

SCaddict

Yeah sure glad I didn't have to play Wild Hawks last weekend. We lock horns in Rd5.

@RoyWetard

The only decision I have this week is wether or not to keep Robinson. I have Petracca as a MID playing the loophole for Menadue and Hewett and my thinking is if Petracca plays this week then I'll keep Robbo and move Menadue into my FWD line and use Robbo as a Petracca/Hewett loophole but if Petracca doesn't play then I have 2 options. Move Menadue into the FWD line or trade him to S.Gray

Southern S

Moving this, loopholing that. Bloody hell just name a squad and stick to it!

But seriously why bother now you have a donut where everyone else has a rookie profiting………………

Mossy

Petracca 2 more games in the VFL was the word that was getting around. Looks like a beast tho.

REN

is everyone jumping on Papley this week or waiting?

Southern S

It would be mighty foolish to jump on Papley this week and the SC gods will smite thee.

SCaddict

Depends how your anticipate your trade situation playing out next week. If you think you could possibly have two other trades you may need to make elsewhere then could just pull the trigger now and hope he plays that 3rd game the following week.

As well as he played last weekend he may only be one or two quiet games from getting dropped. But if he can hold his spot this week and McGlynn also comes in well that would be a pretty good sign and you could more comfortably take the risk on Paps this week.

BKW

Wait another week!

tophawk

I will be waiting another week. I always like to see a rookie's back up game. If he impresses again AND is named as a starter for round 3, then he is in. Unless you have dramas on other lines and need 3-4 trades to rectify these in the next two weeks, then you might have to risk putting him in this week. I have no injuries or major spuds so I am going to sit tight.

Cheers

Youngy

most definetly waiting

jel

Managed a 2350 to start the season, very happy.
Is Fyfe under a bit of an injury cloud, or were Freo just collectively shit?

I'll be keeping a close eye on him in Round 2 and may go to GAJ if Gaz is still pumping out the scores.
Nothing else too drastic to cause trades this early.

Southern S

When's he not under an injury cloud, only managed 18 games in 2014, and another 18 in 2015.

Nah freo were just collectively shit, and didn't have sandilands.

Wait, let me rephrase, Freo are collectively shit when they don't have sandilands.

Holty

agreed. watch this week with him back. all their mids will score 100+

tophawk

No need to hit the panic button as yet with Fyfe. However, if he puts in another really bad effort with another 60 odd, then I will need to also seriously consider getting Gaz for round 3, especially if he dominates again. And this one trade would also be for cash management purposes. Fyfe might drop 50K and Ablett rise by 30K after round 3. However, dont be surprised if the wolf man pumps out a 130+ next week. Just have to wait and see.

jel

Agreed, not rushing into anything yet, but planning options incase he spuds up again.

chris

Went to the game, they missed Sandi big time, l wouldn't be surprised Fyfe missing a few weeks, looked very sore

tom

have to make an injury trade this week i have 450k to get a mid who should i get
zaharakis who scored well in nab and last week and will play mostly mid and won't cop any tag
gibbs looked pain free scored well can he matin 100 avg till byes
or any mid under 450k

Randomclcihe

Don't have to spend it all. Gibbs most likely keeper imo but crouches will be better stepping stones.

Dean

Strongly consider Rich mate.

Shaq

People who are trading without any real reason e.g. injuries or long term suspensions, should really re evaluate there thoughts. If there's one thing I have learnt since joining SC 6 years ago, then it is to never I repeat never RAGE trade and in turn SIDEWAYS trade for another premo. All you are doing is burning up trades and trades are vital to a successful SC season. Especially come finals time!

Randomclcihe

Not only that you are locking yourself into a position below those who started the opposite combo. Then you get to rage trade back 3 weeks later locking your good self into a pile of misery wondering where it all went wrong and doing it all again next year.

Sarah

Hold your trades people!! It's only round 1!! 22 rounds to go! If you do a sideways trade this week I guarantee you'll regret it by round 20!

As for rookie correctives, it's always a good idea to watch them a second week before committing to a corrective trade.

SCaddict

So I take it this means you're not going B.Crouch to Libba this week like some coaches are planning? 🙂

Sarah

Not at all!! Crouch was rusty but scored a 72 in a tough game. Libba had an impact early in a game that was decided early. I'm sticking with Crouch.
How'd you go in round 1 SCaddict?

SCaddict

Off to a reasonable start with 2257 although I note the Terrifying Texinator bested me by some 42pts! We're adversaries in the Throttledome league in case you didn't realise.

Yes no way I'm trading Brad either as he will only get better as the season unfolds, although I also have Libba too. But I can imagine those who don't will be tempted to jump on the Libba Express either this week or next as the Doggies 2014 B&F looks back in town baby!

Sarah

Haha, I did notice that!! Glad you're scared of my team!

I'm comfortable with my decision to pass on Libba as I'm happy with my overall team structure… You can't have me all!

tophawk

I agree 100%. Impulsiveness, impatience, and rage when trading players is suicidal in this game.

Another thing I do not understand is all the moaning about B.Crouch's performance this round. He scored 72 SC points in his first match back away vs the Roos! I am very comfortable with his start. Got Libba as well. The way I look at it, these guys scored 187 SC points together for a combined spend of 663K! Thats less than Fyfe at 670K. And we all know how Fyfe went this week.
Cheers

RoughNuts

Going to hold another week to trade but at this stage I'm thinking as follows:

Toby Greene to Papley

Hartleyv(Ess) to JJ

As mentioned wont pull the trigger this week instead will hold to allow to make another judgement. I feel like Greene was a mistake he was one of the last picked and the fact he did not really run through the midfield has me convinced he will not be a worth while selection this year.

Thoughts community

Mossy

Hartley is meant to be looking the goods for a run in the next few weeks. Paps won't always be up there. If you must trade Greene go to Aaron Hall or Sam Gray?

Randomclcihe

If you have the right swing consider Hartley to Smear.

Rocksta

For what it's worth, I think Hartley will play very soon, maybe even this week. That's why I didn't trade him when not named.
As for Greene, got rid of him as soon as lockout ended yesterday. Didn't look anywhere near it and cannot see him getting anywhere near a 90-100 average this year. In fact, if he plays many more games with that low level of intensity and commitment, he'll get dropped before long.
Greene, Hall and Sam Gray all ran put of the middle on the weekend. Greene got 12 touches, whilst the other two got 35 plus. Says it all I reckon!

Cam

I was at the game and Greene started in at a large portion of centre bounces, it wasnt lack of opportunity at all he just plain and simply sucked

Dee

I don't know why I picked Rioli from Richmond…. I want to get rid of him and put Kennedy forward using DPP and bringing in Hewett. How do I switch Kennedy forward after trading out Rioli? Help please….

Southern S

People picked rioli and ellis from richmond because they were the first rookies named. It's a classic trap for rookie coaches.

Go to trade rioli, trade screen open scroll down and there will be a large 'S' next to the player you can move to his position.

Although I'd advise to wait a week, unless your team is a pile of crap and you need urgent repairs across all lines.

Dee

this didn't help….

Aurion

Need some advice community. I scored a respectable 2294 this week. I'm happy with my team except for the fact i have 3 non playing rookies (J.Joyce, M.Chol and Ruggles) on the bench. I only have 2k in the bank. Should i be trading already to get the rookies i need in? I would possibly have to go L.Mccarthy down to a Papley then Ruggles/Joyce to another playing rookie

Rocksta

I'd wait until teams are named for Round 3 on the rookies, or you may just be wasting trades.
As long as you've got cover and won't incur donuts, I'd wait. Only Rookie I'd consider bringing in this week if I didnt have him is Kennedy, as he'll play all year and isn't really a rookie.

SCaddict

Yes both B.Kennedy and Adams really are must haves I believe.

Southern S

Agreed.

SCaddict

I'm with Crouching One in that I'd try and keep McCarthy if you can.

Given your particular circumstances I'd probably wait a week and see how both McCarthy and Paps perform again. If results more or less repeat then you could probably be more comfortable with getting McCarthy out and Paps in. Same goes for M.McGovern owners.

Scott

My advice would be to hold. Trades are like gold so don't waste them. You need to stick to the team you selected, which scored very well.

aurion

Appreciate it guys! I'll hold for now and look at it again next week

Southern S

Only problem I see is that you have three donuts. Whilst tasty in real life donuts are not really what you want in supercoach.

Next week you may have an injury and/or suspension which will stop you fixing your rookies up.

Not saying you should trade now but there can be pros and cons to waiting.

Derek

Ruggles had 28 touches in a VFL pre active game on weekend

tophawk

Wow. Thanks Derek. That is really useful info. That form suggests he could be very close to his first AFL game. If you have him, it might be worth hanging onto him for loopholing for the next week or two.

Cheers

Southern S

Agree keep McCarthy geelong are gonna go well this year if a bit of that magic doesn't rub off on him I'd be surprised. Plus too early for this kind of trading.

Juzzy

I would suggest that you keep McCarthy if you can.
The kid can really play and I think he will be given every opportunity to.
When Cockatoo and Menzel get back it may push him but I have a feeling he may be an important part of Geelongs fwd line.
He may be the Jock Lonie of this year. Quietly get 60s or 70s and make you some decent cash.

hedski

Who the hell is Joyce? Keep the Rug he's a good loophole til he gets named cats have a lot of late games.

hedski

And keep little Abe. Superstar in the making.

Ben

Trade shane edwards?
And if so, to kelly wells or hall

Southern S

How long is he out for?

Wells and Hall are must haves, or so it seems.

Derek

Wells just ahead of Hall. Better $ value

Russ

One week apparently, but you never know, so many drag out much longer.

Southern S

One week may get turned into 2 at worst you'd think.

Not having hall or wells is blasphemy though. I'd be tempted to take action honestly.

Russ

True dat, they should've been starters in everyone's team.

Blueprime

Rage trades are just plain DUMB. Save em for the pointy end when you really will NEED them.

@BarronVonCrow

Even if Fyfe or Rockliff stink up the joint next week I won't be trading them.

SCaddict

Unless Fyfe's back looks stuffed. Seemed to be hindered last weekend although perhaps it was just a corky. But if he appears restricted next week alarm bells may ring.

Derek

Agree. I didn't see him play last week, but if he looks injured I'll trade him

CoachDamo

I couldn't agree more. I'll have patience with Rocky – we know what he is capable of.

Youngy

Agreed, Barron

Marvin

Everything that has been said about not wasting trades is true. Don't waste em. But it doesn't mean don't use them so don't be afraid to. It all depends on your circumstances. Sideways trades should be avoided but after this week you only have 2 trades to jump on players before their price rise. The start of the season is the most important time to make money so you need to have the right cattle and if you have a long hit list and reckon you'll need more than 2 next week then make a move or 2 this week. If you've got a set of bum rookies then fix other necessary mistakes this week so you can get the best of the bunch next week. If you don't have libba. Get him

Southern S

Exactly. People come in and say should I trade player A for player B without stating their exact situation.

If I had a crap team I'd use all 4 of my trades before price rise.

Derek

You will be amazed how you will give anything for an extra trade around week 18

Southern S

This is also true, but if you have a garbage team at the start you may as well not play the season.

People who come on this website would not have a garbage team though, it's almost impossible.

Marvin

Well need to save that trade in week 10 instead

Dean

AGREE those who don't have the rookie cattle such as: Kennedy, Kerridge, Adams, Menadue, Weitering and off course Papley & Hewett. Also to a lesser extent Mills, Dunkly & Davis look like they also will make nice cash generation.
They need to get most of them because without them they will never get to have a full premo side.

I currently have 15 rookies in:
Weitering, Adams, Dea, AMT, Brown, Menadue, Mills, Dunkly, Davis, Gresham, Kerridge, Kennedy, McCarthy, Grimley & Wyatt – Obviously Wyatt is my loophole and Grimley might be also.
I don't have Hewett & Papley as I was really concerned about their job security, however I will strongly consider getting rid of Gresham prior to round 3 to bring in Papley or Hewett providing they score huge and are named round 3.
Then again I have my fair share of cash cows.

Derek

A few people are talking about trading Sidebum.

Before you do, think about this; he isn't injured! If he was injured it might be different, how many times has 2 weeks turned into 4! He will keep training, be fit and fresh when he comes back.

Secondly he will want redeem himself, I'm sure he will feel he let his team mates down, so look out for a big effort.

Third, when he does come back the pies have Melbourne and then Essendon! Hello!

Finally, he is a POD now, but as other people trade him out, you will be left with him. I had SMitchell last year, second week he was a late out and the few people who had him traded him, I stuck with him and he had a massive year and he helped me to top 100.

I don't have him but if I did I would be holding and relying on the band of fresh young rookies to cover him.

Nathan

Hey Derek, how good is the A Graders league first round!! 32nd overall!! 2sloned2bone.

Derek

A'nt called A Graders for nothin'

BKW

I don't own Sidey but would definitely hold if I did – it's only two weeks and he should have a great year.

SCaddict

Great points Derek!

It sounds like Jock is kissing his @rse goodbye (according to the podcast) but every Sidebum owner needs to make their own call there. If you are mainly playing for league you really should hold him but if we're honest with ourselves, most of us are interested in improving our overall ranking, especially early in the season. And having nearly $600K on the bench for two weeks is just going to stuff your early ranking so the temptation to trade will be high.

I mean you're holding on to Lobbe aren't you? He's not injured right! 🙂

It's always easy to tell others to hold their trades but when it comes to our own teams the situation is ALWAYS DIFFERENT or so we tell ourselves. I'm guilty of this too ha ha.

Derek

I will hold Lobbe. I did see him somehow score 82 on the weekend, But seriously he was awful. Have all the ruckmen grown or has Lobbe shrunk?

Dean

Nah Lobbe is just ordinary compared to the elite ruckmen. That makes him look small mate. lol
He will score 120+ some weeks but not often, I feel he will be extremely inconsistent and doubt he will increase in price.

Although you must be bloody over the moon with Lobbe's 82 coz Hickey made a absolute mess of him, when I seen he scored 82, I thought WTF!!!

I'm glad I stuck strong with two elite premo rucks as they almost scored me 300

Derek

He will score 120…….. When, how, please let that be true.

He only scored 82 because they had 92 stoppages, 30 more than the next most. That is also why Hickey scored so well. Lots of ball ups.

Troy

Actually, he scored 82 because he had 7 tackles. He always has a high tackle count, so while he might get smashed in the hitout department, he'll still score half decently.

Dean

Good call in one way Derek, however those who have sidebum and have very ordinary bench cover then I would be trading Sidebum out and bring in another Premo like Priddis or Parker and hope to go from 1350 overall or whatever your overall score happens to be to maybe 1000 overall.
Every point lost makes a enormous difference overall and its only round 1 so im presuming most will still be playing for overall or at least to try better last years position. I know I am even though I don't have Sidebum.

Derek

unless we have him we won't really know what we would do. Injury, he'd be gone, but only a suspension….. I'd probably hold and fix up the weak bench.

hedski

I'm in the a graders league Derek and I have/had sidey. Dont think I'll go to Parker tempting as it is might be. Somewhere bit more left field will be the go. Cant wait to play the bunnies!

Connor

Derek what is your team name?

Derek

Bundeena Bunnies

Scored an ok 2228 first week.

Lones22

Anyone have Callan Ward like myself?

siri

I do….. got him in for ablett…

tophawk

Yes Lones I have him. Very happy with this premo selection. Put the VC on him this week and loopholed his score for 284. If he stays fit, he will be an unbelievable player for teams that have him IMO. And I dont think he is owned that heavily by coaches this year. Shiel appears more popular. POD!!!

Hawks

Got him.

Love my midfield premo's – Danger, Priddis, Ward, Parker, Fyfe (he will come good), Rocky, Libba

Hopefully won't be using many trades in the M1-M7 positions

Brook

got him … with danger, Priddis, pendles (all played 20+ games, 97+ avg for past 3 yrs)

Russ

Does anyone think Bryce Gibbs can outscore Cripps this year?

Harley

No I don't think so!

Southern S

No

tophawk

NO

@randomcliche

Yep, Cripps could get injured, suspended or a move to the forward line, but more likely just get a tag when teams run one. Gibbs is a very solid player and was in my team for a good part of the pre-season, but ended up with cookie cutter midfield+L.Parker. Gibbs is better value at circa 75k cheaper, which is approx 14ppts per game. I reckon Cripps will win the avg score, but by less than 6pt avg by seasons end.

Paulie Walnuts

I can't believe people trading out Hartley & Petracca , seriously, I and most coaches kept them because they will play and will save a trade down the track

Lones22

I think Hartley will come into the team this week he performed well in the VFL.

Southern S

Hartley did well in the NAB too, was really surprised he wasn't named round one. He'll get plenty of games I reckon.

Rocksta

Agreed

tophawk

I have Petracca but not Hartley. If Hartley is named and M.Brown is not I will be mega excited. Could be a straight switch. But not this week. Brown will be used and abused as a loophole and then tossed out next week.

Harry

Spot on. I kept them and Grimley. The first 2 will definitely play and Grimley at the very least is a good ruck/fwd interchange but reckon he'll play around 10 games himself

B-T

I can't see GAZ playing 20+ games this year or scoring over 2500+ total points. Jock makes a valid point not starting with him

Rocksta

Don't know which game you watched on the weekend!

B-T

His last 2 seasons hasn't been great!!

Derek

Mammoth hump.

Russ

If he stays on the park, he will be great, because he is great.

Southern S

Bad thing is what if he goes crazy in the first 10-15 rounds and you HAVE to trade him in. Then he gets injured later.

It's the old 2 wasted trade conundrum. That will haunt you.

If Ablett starts round one you bloody lock him in for crying out loud!

Youngy

Community, if you are trading seriously consider why, if you can wait another week to see a rookie. Please just wait

Pap Smear

Anyone have Hurn ? Will he do better had a pretty below sub par proper.

Russ

Nah never had him, he was good in 13 and 14 but was pretty average last year averaging in the 70's, better options around I reckon.

Ben

Is there a jock Reynolds group

Russ

Hey guys, with Tigers playing Pies and Swans playing Carlton, who'd be the best option on the field, Menadue or Mills?

Rocksta

Use the Emergency loophole on Menadue if you have a non playing mid on the bench whom doesn't play for either Richmond or Collingwood.
I have both those boys, and that's what I'm doing.

Russ

Cheers Rocksta but I'm not doing the loophole thing, just wonder who'll score more on their opponents this week, I'm thinking Mills on Carlton but Menadue did pretty well last week too…aaah

Rocksta

That's a hard one Russ. That's why I love using the Emergency Loophole when it's available as it gives you 2 bites at the cherry.
Not sure otherwise, as both lads looked preety good on the weekend.

Derek

You gotta use the loophole! I'm using Keays as Lions have 5 out of the first 9 games on a Sunday and the Saturday games are evening.

He should get games soon.

Early on you can't afford to have a Kennedy or Menadue stuck on your bench.

SCaddict

Yes I will be looping this duo too.

Hawks

I think Mills will out score Menadue, but it will be tight, tipping 78 & 73 points respectively.

If I get this right Wayno can have the keys back to the DeLorion (spelling?)

Russ

Cheers Hawks lol, I'll give Mills a go, and I think it's Delorean haha, Rocksta, might try the loophole with Gawn this week, as long as Grimley doesn't get a game.

Rocksta

Won't work mate, as Melb and Ess are playing against eachother.

Russ

Oh ok thanks, unfortunately all my midfield rooks are playing so , I'll just whack the C on Danger or Gaz I reckon, thanks for that.

Dean

I will be playing both Mills in my mid & Menadue in my forward.

Doesn't it bother you using the loophole so early on someone like Menadue who plays on Friday, if you end up having one of your players as a late withdrawal you will then be forced to take a donut.

Rocksta

Hi Dean.

That's why i like trying the loophole in the midfield as you have 3 on the bench ( 2 playing and one non playing). I agree it's risky on other lines.