Peter HigginbothamDuring this desperately joyous week of our fantasy football lives, I felt it timely to offer you a potential fantasy mind cleansing – Some game thinking that takes a step back and looks at the key factors weighing into our collective decision making processes.

 
 
 
 
Excepts from Rudyard Kipling’s “If”;
……
If you can keep your head when all about you   
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;   
…..
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;   
…..
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
……
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

 

Magnificence penned in 1895 with the final line seemingly delivered from Jock himself!

Doubts, blame, dreams, risks …. “if you can meet with Triumph and Disaster and treat those two imposters just the same.” Powerful. Strength in our convictions, to remain stoic and unaffected.

Unfortunately, we are not unaffected. When it comes to the decision making processes around selecting our starting squads, our brains are hard-wired to work against us. How can we remain stoic and unaffected when we evolved to be driven by emotion, to follow the herd – to survive.

Our emotional reasoning is eager, noisier and holds sway over our logic. Our brains are still working as they evolved – to be dealing with the issues as they would arise on the African plains – survival means quick response times and conforming to the group. Decisions that pay off are well regarded. Social acceptance will result in increased connectivity and as a consequence, an increased survival probability.

In the 2015 preseason I wrote an article on Shoal verses Shark game play. The underlying concept within was that while there was much safety and comfort to be drawn from starting with the common consensus in your selection strategy, doing so would mean that you simply could not rank highly enough to win.

Refusing to follow the crowd goes against every instinct – it is why there is a crowd to follow in the first place! Consider a scenario where a coach makes a comment on a player who he advises may spend more game time in a potentially higher point scoring role. This throw-away line, a line that the media might well have provoked and cut, feeds online chatter and the selection now becomes high on people’s selection radar. This player plays well during a NAB game in undermanned squads and performs better than previous statistics would dictate. Highly connected online fantasy communities begin to find reasons as to why this player becomes strategic while finding reasons to ignore potential associated risks. That small seed of possibility initially thrown out by the coach and replicated in an unrealistic game, now has been nurtured by the media, fertilised online and begins to spread its roots. Suddenly, this selection is being locked into starting fantasy lineups across the country.

The proliferation of fantasy football information available online is both the best and worst thing to happen to fantasy football. In many instances, it is quite probable that your decisions can actually become worse with the more information you receive. Rising confidence generated via a saturation of knowledge – statistics, coaches or player comments, expert analysis, new articles, multiple appearances in ‘Rate My Teams”. This socially acceptable pick now results in a fixed and rigid mindset.

We must value objectivity over both optimism and pessimism when making decisions and guard ourselves against any of the herd’s speculative euphoria. Be aware and acknowledge that a strong emotional cognitive bias is at play in each and every preseason.

While I did not want to mention any actual player names as it would in many ways contradict my key message, I would like to offer up one example purely to consider in the context of this opinion piece. I am in no way endorsing or condemning these selections, merely using them as a discussion piece.

Player Position Price Projected Rd.1 Score Break-Even % Ownership
Daniel Hannebery MID $617,900 101 115 10.2
Travis Boak MID $535,200 102 99 1.3

Without going into the fantasy relevant pros and cons of the selections, is Hannebery an example of a preseason hype pick? Is the elevated spend of $82,800 on Hannebury justified when comparing him to Boak? Did Hannebury’s NAB Challenge hit-out against Carlton where he scored 139 result in an over-inflated ownership rate?

…..

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too
….. 

Shark, shoal and now consider the pioneering ant.

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The colony of ants is presented with two equidistant and identical food sources. The socially predicted outcome will be a mass gathering on only one of the food sources. Will you be the brave pioneering ant who strikes out on its own and feasts on the possibility of excess even if failure will mean social rejection?

I just deleted my team – it’s time to start again.

Enjoy this most significant week!

 

Kind regards,

Peter J Higginbotham


469 Comments

Lucas · 21/03/2016 at 09:22

Ah noooo…too late to go back to formula now, surely?

Shake n bake · 21/03/2016 at 09:31

Got me thinking my Hannebery selection not that I think he's a gun but Shiel wines Parker Duncan I'm sure will be guns to and this is sc could really use the coin to strengthen other lines just hope to get that selection right. I had Hannebery at m4.

    MaccasMarvels · 21/03/2016 at 11:37

    I have Hannebery at m4 too. He finished top 10 midfielders last year from memory. Was very strong. High price, yep. It's a bit of a roller coaster….. he went sub-100 7 times, and went +130 8 times!

    I N Pieman · 21/03/2016 at 13:26

    Hes a Jet pick him with confidence

    Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 20:46

    Duncan had been on the cusp of my team for a while, for a similar price and same team i think Cam Gutherie is going to be the next Jimmy Bartel, may push for a Brownlow this year..?no? Next year.
    Another name in the mix

    =0

    SCaddict · 22/03/2016 at 00:18

    Don't let Higgo get in your head.

    Hanners looooves the SCG averaging nearly 130 there last season and the Swans now play every single home game there in the regular season. Confident he will again finish a top 10 mid this season.

REN · 21/03/2016 at 09:40

Say Yes or No if youre starting with the following

Shaw

Goldy

Gaz

Libba

Crouch

Dusty

Hall

interested to see why or why not people are going in with some of the hype names this preseason

    REN · 21/03/2016 at 09:48

    For me:
    No
    Yes
    Yes
    Yes
    No
    Yes
    No

      Jake · 22/03/2016 at 11:00

      Yes

      Yes

      Yes

      Yes

      Yes

      No

      Yes

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 09:52

    Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no, yes

    Sean · 21/03/2016 at 10:00

    Yes, no, yes, yes, no, no, yes

    bAps · 21/03/2016 at 10:01

    Yes
    No
    Yes, but starting to rethink it
    Yes
    No
    Initially yes, but of late No
    Yes

    Ratitat · 21/03/2016 at 10:01

    yes, no, yes, yes, no, no, yes

    Scotty · 21/03/2016 at 10:05

    Goldy and Shaw can be justified selections as both are almost guaranteed to be the highest scoring in their position. The rest are definitely up for debate though

    @chevychase84 · 21/03/2016 at 10:18

    Yes
    No
    Yes
    Yes
    No
    Yes
    Yes

    magpie4ver · 21/03/2016 at 10:19

    yes-no-no-yes-yes-no-yes

    Dyno Mite · 21/03/2016 at 10:25

    no, no, yes, yes, yes, no, yes

    Shake n bake · 21/03/2016 at 10:41

    yes no yes yes yes no yes

    sharmanism · 21/03/2016 at 10:54

    No

    Yes

    No

    Yes

    No

    Yes

    Steeeve · 21/03/2016 at 11:05

    Yes to all except Crouch and Dusty

    GARONSTAR · 21/03/2016 at 11:12

    Yes

    hedski · 21/03/2016 at 12:05

    Yes yes yes yes no no yes

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 21/03/2016 at 13:04

    No no yes no yes no yes. Must admit that hall was never in my team but form hard to ignore. Following the crowd I guess but jumped off libba which counter balances this.

    @rileyflanigan24 · 21/03/2016 at 14:02

    No

    No

    No

    Yes

    No

    No

    Yes

    Cozza · 21/03/2016 at 14:29

    Lol – you;ve just named my team – yes to all – Goldy coming in and out though

    Gold Rush · 21/03/2016 at 14:35

    ATM, YYNNNNY

    hawkboy80 · 21/03/2016 at 16:51

    yes to shaw gaz & crouch

    rosco72 · 21/03/2016 at 17:01

    No
    No
    No
    No
    Yes x2 M and B
    No
    Yes

    Bobby Singh · 21/03/2016 at 18:42

    YES
    YES
    YES
    YES
    NO
    YES
    NO

    DuckingTigers · 21/03/2016 at 18:46

    No No Yes (at this stage) Yes No No No

    Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 19:34

    Shaw = Yes
    Goldy = Yes
    Ablett = Yes
    Libba = Yes
    M Crouch = No
    B Crouch = Yes
    Dusty = No
    Hall = Yes

    Iamme · 21/03/2016 at 20:41

    Yes to all except Dusty or Hall at this stage .

    Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 20:54

    No
    No
    No
    No
    Yes
    No
    Yes

    If your starting with Gaz, you have to expect Hall to average a whole lot less than his NAB form, previous games together show this all to well. So having Gaz and Hall is a bad idea based on your thoughts that both will score big.
    Im not sure how people justify having both in there teams, it doesn't seem clearly thought through with a strategy.
    It will be either Gaz has a blinder of a year and Hall picks up his crumbs or Gaz is restricted and Hall takes over as GC's main man for a while at least.
    OR
    Im completely wrong and have no idea.

      Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:11

      Hall set to play in the midfield this year regardless of Gaz being absent or otherwise and with their other injury problems, I see no reason why both can't go big. Using stats based on last years approach is taking a too simplistic view, the world (at least on the Gold Coast) has changed and we need to change with it. Both in my team BP, reward far outweighs the risk on this one IMHO.

      As for the list I have them all except Dusty and he was in till his old fellas issues and he spudded it up, fragile psyche with him rearing its head again so issues in his personal life not what you want especially when paying top dollar, replaced ironically for this thread, with Hall and cash used to get Gaz back in after he turned up for the launch in Melbourne, something people seem to forget he didn't do last year as he was concerned about his body and if the great man feels comfortable in his skin then that's good enough for me.

    Blues_16 · 21/03/2016 at 21:18

    y, y, n n n n n

    Dan · 21/03/2016 at 22:41

    No to Dusty and Crouch (if not named round 1) the rest yes.

Tret · 21/03/2016 at 09:41

have people gone cold on Bartel? Hasnt been spoken about as much lately. Still a good choice?

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 10:41

    He is in my team Tret. People are scared he will be rested or get injured. Not sure why as last year was his only year he had been injured. As for resting, there has been no real indication it will happen.

    Grahame Lebroy · 21/03/2016 at 11:11

    don't like the bartel pick this year. People would be selecting him as a keeper, which he isn't

    Chill · 21/03/2016 at 12:02

    I don't like the Bartel pick either. Long in the tooth. Will get rested. I think there are some other contenders around that price range who could be real options as keepers – Simpson, KK, Docherty (maybe?), Laird is only a little bit more expensive and a definite keeper. Brodie Smith even… although there is risk.

      FootyFanatic · 21/03/2016 at 18:12

      You say Bartel is too "long in the tooth" but then suggest to pick Simpson…

        Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 20:58

        Long in the tooth is such a cop out!
        They are playing on the book ends not pushing themselves through the middle, though i expect we will see Bartel playing all over the pitch like a majestic beast he is.

        Not in my starting team (probably should be), but i expect he will make it in at some point.

    Redgumwon · 21/03/2016 at 14:51

    No I've still got Jimmy B in the backline. I've gone cold on Dusty even with Lids out. I'm thinking maybe Robinson now

    Mr Question Face · 21/03/2016 at 15:07

    Why would Bartel be rested? Considering the longer-toothed Corey Enright played 21 games last year, I'd be thinking old mate Bartel will play every game he's good to go for.

      Tret · 21/03/2016 at 15:20

      Chris Scott has said he'd be suprised if Bartel played all 22 games so will obviously be rested.

        Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 20:59

        He might miss say 1 game
        How many is it till he reaches 300 games this year?

    DuckingTigers · 21/03/2016 at 18:50

    The concussion will knock him back a bit. It usually takes four or five weeks for players scores to recover after a bout and they're more susceptible to injury in the aftermath.

lostlarrikin · 21/03/2016 at 09:42

This is arguably your finest hour Higgo.
Simple, subtle and significant.

Holty · 21/03/2016 at 09:55

Great insight Higgo and keep up the great work you do for this community.
But I for one will not be changing my team again as I was never one who was very interested in poetry.

Boris Baconbeer · 21/03/2016 at 09:58

I was happy with having a different team. Then big Carl revealed his and I was dissapionted only two different players. One a rookie. So now what do I do? I want to change….I think I will , there were a couple more risks I wanted to take and this from Higgo has encouraged me. I don't care if it fails, chances are I won't win 50k anyway. "There can be only one" and in fact I think I am more likely to win if I am different. Of course that doesn't mean I'm picking Cloak.
Annoying cos I've been settled on my side for almost two weeks, a very long time in fantasy land.

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 10:28

    I think there are improvements on Big Carl's team at the margin; remember the beautiful quote "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." (I Newton) It might only be one or two you need…and that trading is where the season is won or lost. Stay strong.

      Boris Baconbeer · 21/03/2016 at 10:32

      Nice

      Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:16

      Great advice there RC!

bAps · 21/03/2016 at 10:02

Houli and Robinson, or Birchall and Dusty?

    Jambo · 21/03/2016 at 10:36

    How about Birchall and Mitch Robinson?

    Redgumwon · 21/03/2016 at 13:30

    I'm going with Bartel & Robinson now. I've just dropped Dusty out of the side. I'm still thinking about Wingard though. Bennell has done the calf again and there not sure yet how much damage has been done

    Bramigan · 21/03/2016 at 17:56

    Going Houli and Robinson. Robo will be a good POD

      DadSmasher · 22/03/2016 at 16:57

      not anymore.

    Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:17

    Houli and Robbo for mine

Noah · 21/03/2016 at 10:05

McGovern or Johannisen?

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 10:29

    Jock gave one of them the green light…I tend to think the same…

      Noah · 21/03/2016 at 10:33

      Very good point, thanks.

    I N Pieman · 21/03/2016 at 13:27

    McGovern

    medadsson · 21/03/2016 at 14:55

    McGovern

    Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:18

    JJ worth the punt I reckon

REN · 21/03/2016 at 10:17

Laird, Hurn and Smith

or

Shaw, Hurn/Smith and weitering

    magpie4ver · 21/03/2016 at 10:49

    Shaw Hurn Weitering

    I have Shaw Laird Hurn and Weitering

Wombat · 21/03/2016 at 10:45

What would Shaw have to average to keep his starting price?

    Randomclcihe · 21/03/2016 at 11:06

    Fanfooty has each player's break even avg bud.

      magpie4ver · 21/03/2016 at 11:34

      Rand where are they i cant find them?

        Randomclcihe · 21/03/2016 at 11:47

        Implied breakeven on each player profile page. Eg danger 119.4

        Randomclcihe · 21/03/2016 at 11:56

        Other way is to calculate a constant based on non injured players. From memory it's bout 18.5 points per 100k spent on a player

    Steeeve · 21/03/2016 at 11:06

    Lots. But if you never have to trade him his price fluctuations won't matter one bit.

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 11:44

    Whatever his average was last year.

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 21/03/2016 at 13:06

    About 110

Shake n bake · 21/03/2016 at 10:51

Teams starting with all these players together Fyfe Danger Rocky Shiel Goldy Martin Barlow Rich all have there bye together…Concern?

    Shake n bake · 21/03/2016 at 10:53

    Sorry & Shaw!

    sharmanism · 21/03/2016 at 11:01

    Thank God I haven't got Chopsticks (but I have the rest)

    magpie4ver · 21/03/2016 at 11:01

    No-Yes-Yes-Maybe-No-No-Yes-No-Yes

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 11:47

    This is why I'm not starting Danger and Fyfe. It may bite me in the butt though.

    Redgumwon · 21/03/2016 at 12:46

    You can't win all the bye rounds.Therefore 2 out 3 ain't bad to quote a Meat Loaf song.. Seems this bye round will be a doughnut for me

Steeeve · 21/03/2016 at 11:07

Okay I'll be the one to ask, can someone who subscribes to Gold please post The Phantom's team reveal? Thanks!

    @chevychase84 · 21/03/2016 at 11:35

    Ooooo that would be an interesting side….

    SCaddict · 21/03/2016 at 11:42

    I think you mean a Herald Sun digital subscriber pass …. and yes I happen to have one of those so you're in luck!

    THE PHANTOM
    Shaw, KK, Smith, Harwood, Weitering, Brown (Hartley, Broad)
    Danger, Gaz, Gray, Rocky, Cripps, Libba, B.Crouch, Mills (Menadue, Hewett, Davis)
    Goldy, Gawn (Chol)
    Barlow, Greene, De Goey, Wells, Kennedy, Kerridge (Petracca, Grimley)

    I could post the entire article but a) that wouldn't be right and b) I really don't want to get sued! 🙂

      Chill · 21/03/2016 at 12:04

      Geez cripps is tempting.

      mick · 21/03/2016 at 14:57

      great side by the phantom but still a few maybes kk harwood b smith b crouch injury greene de goey petracca not playing grimley no money whats ur thoughts addict

        SCaddict · 21/03/2016 at 17:40

        Premo differences aside I give the thumbs up to his overall structure although his defence is perhaps a little more midprice mayhem for my own taste as I prefer a pure GnR flavour on that particular line myself this season.

        However we have the identical philosophy in seeking value in the forward line and we both have De Goey at F3 and Wells at F4. Although interestingly he's not buying into the hype surrounding Hall and rolling with the Greene Machine instead at F2.

        He'll make the same tweaks to rookies that we'll all make Thursday night so wouldn't read too much into those picks there.

        But in a nutshell I like his squad a lot and think he'll have another tremendous season.

          Connor · 21/03/2016 at 22:42

          I'm sorry but I have to ask who is The Phantom, and where does he generally finish?

            SCaddict · 21/03/2016 at 23:29

            The Adelaide Advertiser's resident fantasy guru.

            Finished 30th overall in the nation last year and knows a thing or two about how to approach this Supercoach caper.

            Has a lot of interesting fantasy titbits on his twitter feed so you should check it out Connor:

            https://twitter.com/thephantomsc

            Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:34

            He's a SuperCoach writer for the Adelaide Advertiser (and associated papers) Connor. Finished 30th overall last year and has very reasoned views. As an aside on his team choice of Greene v Hall he's said it's a personal choice due to him having Greene in from the beginning, (was in his initial team reveal back in Jan), and he's said he just can't fit Hall in but there's no doubting him anymore so not sure SCAs view is entirely accurate. I share his faith in Cripps also and he's got my VC loophole going into the opening game, can't wait for that first bounce of the year!

Grahame Lebroy · 21/03/2016 at 11:08

How do u work out what a players break even will be?

    Cozza · 21/03/2016 at 14:32

    It is available with a gold subscription to supercoach

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 15:25

    Have a look above re: comments on Shaw. Implied breakeven for season on fanfooty under player profile. Or you can calc it yourself. 🙂 Cheers

Bill · 21/03/2016 at 11:09

Community,
Laird & B.Crouch
Or
Shaw & Oliver

    Kevin Skywalker · 21/03/2016 at 13:21

    1

    Gold Rush · 21/03/2016 at 14:38

    2

    @footy_bec · 21/03/2016 at 16:05

    2

Langers · 21/03/2016 at 11:25

Aaaaaah….from the comment I see the herd is in no danger!!! But, like lostlarrikan, I agree that…This is arguably your finest hour Higgo.
Simple, subtle and significant.

Derek · 21/03/2016 at 11:47

excellent advice Higgo. In other words, its ok to start the year with Lobbe?

    Steeeve · 21/03/2016 at 11:50

    Please do it just so the rest of us can see what happens haha

      Derek · 21/03/2016 at 12:28

      there is a saying "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me".

      the sound of the Bell-chambers is still ringing in my ears from last year!

Woody · 21/03/2016 at 12:01

Another absolutely brilliant article Higgo! 1st time poster & let me say im honoured to be on board. Defo best fantasy website on the land so thank you very much jock & team -legends.

Im about 85% happy with my current team, with the def doing my head in this yr – just looks crap with whatever options i come up with:

Def: Laird, McGovern, JJ, Seedsman, M. Brown, Adams, Broad, Ruggles
Mid: Ablett, Pendles, Gray, Shiels, Rocky, Duncan, B. Crouch, Mills, Menadue, Gresham, Davis
Ruck: Nic, Gawn, Grims
Fwd: Barlow, Robbo, Hall, Wells, Kennedy, Kerridge, McCarthy,Tippa.
$30k left over.

I comfortably think i have 12 keepers, with worst case 3 stepping stones (duncan, crouch, wells).

Prob like everyone the biggest concern i have is my def, but just cant offload the cash on shaw or the veterans over $500k. I like players that are a gd chance to play 20+ games.

Player selections that are doing my head in are:
Duncan v jelwood (concerned jelwood is not right)
B. Crouch v Libba (concerned with libba coming back from acl will he generate enough coin?)
JJ v Bartel v birchall (does anyone know how birchalls knee is – 100%? I do want him!)
Seeds v Sheridan v lonergan.
Very scared about ablett missing games i have him atm, but very tempted 2 bring in a hannerbury, priddis type that are safe 2 play all season. Just dont want to miss on those massive scores he pumps out.

No goldy, shaw, danger, fyfe, martin or lids – confident i can get them cheaper, especially shaw who will be my 1st upgrade.

Btw Jock how do i upload a article? I have prepared a very valuable stat spreadsheet that i would like to share with the community.

Good luck to everyone & please provide feedback on my team & player selections im quelling over – i can take the good, with the bad…:)

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 15:32

    Libba definitely over Brouch. 50/50's the rest for mine. I think need to downgrade to Dea in the backline. Then libba in. Cheers

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:41

    Jelwood had a good game on the weekend didn't he? I'd take him over Duncan any day.

    Crouch and Libba.

    I'm not going to make a choice here because it's just a guess / biased opinion, anything can happen with these guys and both potentially can score huge.

    JJ v Bartel v Birchall.

    Tough one. Maybe Birchall. Has been pretty consistent for several years. Bartel won't be getting much mid time. JJ has unpredictable scoring imo.

    Seeds v Sheridan v Lonergan.

    Another tough one. My guess is 1. Lonergan, 2. Seeds, 3. Sheridan.

      Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 21:10

      Let me throw Cam Guthrie into your Geelong Mix.
      You should be looking at Libba vs Hunter
      Id look at Lonergan out of those.

        Woody · 21/03/2016 at 21:32

        Thanks Ben, but dont confuse me anymore with more cat players 🙂 I definitely have considered hunter, but just cant afford/fit him in ahead of any of my other preferred selections.

      Woody · 21/03/2016 at 21:27

      Thanks mate. I think Duncan is in for a big year though wont get tagged, but love jelwood how he goes about it. Plays through injuries & i think with danger on board can only help him get back to that 115+ avg, especially with the cats draw. Yep thats why i like birchall consistent & at that perfect age with thinking he will be the #1 rebounding defender again with gibbo going back to a more kpp role. I know you cant take 2 much out of nab, but just like how the crows used seeds in that attacking role.

        Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 21:34

        I have Selwood in my team, i definitely think with Danger around will only help Selwoods scoring too.

        I have gibbo in my team, been trying to find where it was stated that he was going to play a KPP role this year.
        after reading some interestig stats from him last year, i have no idea why on earth they would play him as a KPP.

Chill · 21/03/2016 at 12:05

Is it bad that I can't wait to see who the biggest burnmen of the season will be? Geez i'm hoping it's the Crouch boys.

    Derek · 21/03/2016 at 12:30

    Crows do have a tough start, they will be made to earn their points.

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:44

    Yes it's bad, it means you enjoy other people's suffering 🙂

Browny · 21/03/2016 at 12:18

Which option is better?
Goldy and J Selwood
or
Ablett and Sauce Jacobs

    I N Pieman · 21/03/2016 at 13:26

    2

      Wattsieesq · 21/03/2016 at 15:46

      2

Mark · 21/03/2016 at 12:20

Higgo, what is a single trade worth in Supercoach dollar terms? That is, if you could purchase additional trades out of your $10million war chest, what would a single trade be worth? I've seen $150k thrown around but I've not seen any basis for that figure. Whatever the actual figure is, I think it may help inform our strategies. PS: Great article, well done mate

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 15:38

    30*$150k=$4.5m
    Total team value over $14m…which is what you should be aiming for. There is a bit of an allowance for injury trades and the players you bring in making some ca$hola. No science though…you take what you can get 🙂

    Not sure if anyone has done something more scientific than that…

      Mark · 21/03/2016 at 16:04

      Thanks mate – that makes sense

Keenbutclueless · 21/03/2016 at 12:58

Barlow is the best example of what Higgo is talking about. Ross made some comment we all jumped on. The NAB Cup seemed to confirm it, but with Mundy missing at least one and Fyfe being eased in, that was always going to happen. I was not considering Barlow at all, but now it is difficult to unlock him. To take it one step further, if we are fully convinced on Barlow, does that mean we shouldn't pick Fyfe? Can he live up to that price tag with Barlow taking extra midfield minutes and Bennell coming in? I have Fyfe and Barlow and I am starting to feel like it is a little illogical

    kevwal · 21/03/2016 at 14:12

    Feeling the same about Gaz and Hall.

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 14:27

    Barlow and Fyfe will both be fine. Just look back 2 seasons ago when they played in the mids together.

      Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 21:17

      There is alot more than just Barlow and Fyfe…
      Im taking Barlow to start, i think Bennel will be better later in the year.
      So much guess work going into SC teams this year, and real teams will evolve as well in turn will change our SC teams.

      We rely on previous years experience and what we read and hear in the footy media, but still so much quess work with a big interchange difference.

@t_woof · 21/03/2016 at 13:03

Outstanding Higg!

Bring on Thursday night!

    Average Joe · 21/03/2016 at 17:18

    Where have you been all preseason? Haven't seen any of your comments in ages

      @t_woof · 21/03/2016 at 19:15

      G'day Joe!

      Posted a few comments early in the pre season, but not much recently. Super Coach doing my head in. Haven't once been happy with my team when i've clicked the log out button.

      How is you team coming along mate? Hope you've settled on a team better than i have!

        Average Joe · 22/03/2016 at 19:49

        Yeh pretty much locked all non-rookies except for 1 player. Big POD, just not sure if he's worth the risk or not. Good luck for the season mate!

Jimmy · 21/03/2016 at 13:22

Grouse Higgo, wise as always.

need everyones advice here

gotta make the choice between Rampe and Birchall?

Cheers lads

    Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:42

    Tough one that Jimmy, but I reckon Birchalls shown enough in nab to prove to us his knees alright. I've been trying to fit him in but just can't do it, defence sucks this year but when doesn't it!

Cliffy · 21/03/2016 at 13:54

Hey guys,

Any more leagues that haven't been filled out entirely? I usually like to be in at least 5 leagues per season I've played SC, and I'm only in the 2 right now.

For any free leagues remaining chuck me some league codes, cheers. 🙂

    Cliffy · 21/03/2016 at 13:55

    To clarify, the 2 SC Original leagues, and I'm making a debut in SC Draft this season (never played the format before).

      medadsson · 21/03/2016 at 15:09

      229043, about to throw it open. Just me and couple of mates there at moment. Anyone welcome provided seeing season out. Cheers.

        Cliffy · 21/03/2016 at 15:53

        Cheers mate 🙂

    Hounddog · 21/03/2016 at 18:10

    571790 and 991457

    Marc · 21/03/2016 at 18:35

    736716 is a league with a few guys from this community would be happy if you could join cliffy 🙂

    Russ · 21/03/2016 at 18:46

    Giday Cliffy, I have some leagues you're very welcome to become a part of, feel free to join up and invite your mates too if they wanna have a fun season
    923515
    487007
    716047
    598192
    887856
    821086
    You should join ten leagues mate, that's the max this year, more chances to be the king of the league 🙂

      Cliffy · 21/03/2016 at 19:31

      Thanks so much Russ, Marc, Hounddog, legends 🙂

magpie4ver · 21/03/2016 at 14:09

Now that Lids is out? Is the Community thinking of Bringing D. Martin back in the FWD line?

    Big G · 21/03/2016 at 15:48

    Good question. I am considering Joey to keep to my team structure, but am worried about his injury-toll at his age.

      Big balls · 21/03/2016 at 22:07

      Love Joey , risk = reward

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 15:56

    Oh, favourite line of the injury update "Sharron Wellingham will have a delayed start to the season due to a knee injury." Who is typing this stuff? http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-injury-wrap-b

    Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 19:39

    Unless you trade out Lids for Martin, doesn't make a difference.

    Shake n bake · 21/03/2016 at 19:42

    No

    Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:47

    No mate, reason I flicked Dusty, (and it shits me to do it), is his balsa wood psyche, everything needs to be going right for him and it's clearly not at the moment. Potentially worth the risk to me if he had some upside value as well but think he's fully priced.

Derek · 21/03/2016 at 14:13

Petracca is expected to return to match practice within two weeks.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-20/demons-make

Gibbs · 21/03/2016 at 14:17

Thoughts on Callan ward as a pod? Also thoughts on Corey Enright and Mitch Duncan! Recon Duncan will have a big year and Enright is super consistent

    marcus · 21/03/2016 at 17:35

    shhhhh ward is my POD
    duncans a gun not sure how danger will affect his score though

    BKW · 21/03/2016 at 20:28

    Ward is solid but there are higher upside selections at a similar price IMO – pick him if you like him though

    Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:49

    Pretty good choice I reckon Gibbs, I've gone Cripps myself but I'd be happy with Ward also just a preference really so back your gut mate.

Ethan017 · 21/03/2016 at 14:38

Rate my team fellas

DEF- Shaw, Laird, JJ, Weitering, Dea, Hartley (Brown, K.Collins)

MID- Fyfe, Danger, Priddis, JPK, Rocky, Libba, B.Crouch, Mills (Gore, Keays, Davis)

RUCK- Nic Nat, Gawn (Grimley

FOR- Barlow, Greene, Hall, Wells, Kennedy, Kerridge (Mcdonald-Tipungwati, Petracca)

    Liam · 21/03/2016 at 15:09

    Like it. Brad crouch would be my only concern

      Ethan017 · 21/03/2016 at 16:13

      Cheers buddy
      I'd prefer to have Crouch instead of an onfield rookie and I hope that if he doesn't perform my premos can cover him

    Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:53

    Looking good Ethan, prefer Hanners to JPK personally but don't have either. Nothing to fault it really although Petracca unlikely to play first few rounds at least and I'd take Adams over Brown if named.

'Don't Blush Babbie' · 21/03/2016 at 14:39

Bennel also wont play round 1 ,confirmed on AFL Website

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 21/03/2016 at 16:55

    Neither will dils

Andrew · 21/03/2016 at 14:40

Priddis, Pendles or Hanners?

Thanks in advance community!

    Jobesbrownlow · 21/03/2016 at 15:44

    Hanners.

    Ethan017 · 21/03/2016 at 16:13

    Priddis for me

    The Mountain · 21/03/2016 at 17:06

    Pridda

    Bramigan · 21/03/2016 at 18:00

    Priddis. Reliable and no chance of a role change

    Danners · 21/03/2016 at 20:47

    Pendlebury, won't be affected by tag and doesn't have a slow start to the season

    Scouser · 21/03/2016 at 23:54

    Priddis

Steele · 21/03/2016 at 14:45

Like many other people I am not sure about how Dusty Martin is going to fair with the situation he is in at the moment.

I already have Barlow and Greene in the fwd line. If I were to replace Dusty, who would everyone say is the next biggest priority to have in there?

Let me know your suggestions.

Thanks.

    'Don't Blush Babbie' · 21/03/2016 at 15:28

    I have him and now that Deledio is out I'm considering whether to put the VC on him, I know his form against Carlton is not great but I'm expecting a big game from him and his Father would be urging him on to do so.

    Alec · 21/03/2016 at 17:26

    Wingard is a good option and not to many have him either!

Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 14:58

Hey guys, I'd love some input on a selection dilemma I'm having…

M Boyd and Weitering
or
Rich and Lonergan

What does the community think?

    Steeeve · 21/03/2016 at 15:26

    Option one: Keeper and significant cash generator.
    Option two: Likely burn man and likely burn man.

    Big G · 21/03/2016 at 15:45

    I'm inclined to say go with option 1 as one keeper/one stepping stone option as opposed to two mid-pricers that can be up and down.

    Grahame Lebroy · 21/03/2016 at 15:49

    Out of those options I'd go 1. But i want to look at how Boyd goes and try and bring him in as an upgrade target. I am not sold on Rich as a backline keeper, both Weitering and Lonergan should be good stepping stones, but Lonergan does have injury history.

    Sarah i think i have heard you say that you are a crows supporter, do u think that Laird will be a top 8 scoring def and keeper this year?

      Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 15:54

      Hey Grahame, I am a massive crows fan! I like Laird a lot. He's been in and out of my backline as I try to find the right balance. Loved what he's done during the NAB games, however, I think I'll be starting without him and look to pick him up during the season… similar to what you're planning with Boyd!

        Grahame Lebroy · 21/03/2016 at 16:15

        Thanks Sarah, i like what he has done over pre season and last year. He is priced high, nut hoping he produces the goods SC wise this year.

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 16:05

    Hi Sarah
    I much prefer 1 over 2 (more guns/rookie which is my pref), but I do know a team that I respect a lot that is running scenario 2. Basically it depends on how many other keepers (inc mid priced junk) you have. If with scenario 1 you have 16 (maybe even 15) potential keepers inc Wells then do that IMO. 14 keepers, then you might value the consistency for a bit longer. That said I just don't trust myself to pick breakout players like Lonergan consistently. Thanks for the call on Gazza's dud shoulder last year. Really appreciate your input into the community.

    What are you thoughts on this combo conundrum of mine:
    1. Laird + Crouch
    2. Shaw + Oliver

    Cheers

      Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 21:05

      Thanks randomcliche, I guess the same advice applies to your scenario as well. It's down to the total number of keepers. Personally though, I like option 1 better. Is there another way to get Shaw, Laird and Crouch?

        @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 00:21

        Thanks Sarah. With the heater option its 15 keepers (inc 3 good quality mid pricers…ya Hall/Libba types) but it pushes out to 15+ stepping stone/over half season prolly to at least the byes with Crouch. I feel more comfortable with that as its 6 upgrades, circa 12 trades to something resembling full premo before hitting some panic trades through the second/third bye rounds.

        I could swap Barlow, Robinson or any premo mid into a Laird at D2 via swings but I just don't see him outscoring those types.

          Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 07:54

          I wouldn't trade out Barlow, so Robinson would seem the one to go if you want to strengthen up your defence a bit. Laird probably won't outscore a Barlow or Robinson… that's not the right question. The right question to ask is will he be a top 6 defender? You need to have 6 defenders on the ground, they'll likely be outscored by most forwards, midfielders and rucks… but you still have to have them! So it's best to have the more reliable (and potentially more expensive) defenders than high risk, cheaper and unproven defenders… feel like I'm stating the obvious but I think I'll be going with a slightly stronger backline for these reasons.

            @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 11:54

            As you rightly identified I'm running the wafer-thin defence model with two premos, as I think there is more growth in a $500k player on the other lines than in def; so its a D2, M8, R2, F4 setup for me (B.Crouch M8). It comes down to when I think I need to invest the cash on each line, which defence is lowest priority..unfortunately I will have to buy 4 premo defenders…if such a thing exists. All the best with your balanced approach, but I think at the margin the loaded mid is a better approach.

    @footy_bec · 21/03/2016 at 16:09

    1

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 21/03/2016 at 17:28

    Hi Sarah I'm going 1 hoping for Boyd to.get me off to a flyer

      Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 21:06

      That's my thinking too… He's a good looking POD!

        TRIGGER HAPPY · 21/03/2016 at 21:21

        I think u are the only other team i have seen who is starting boyd. To me he is proven, has a remarkable record under the roof and dogs have first 7 under the roof. Yeah he will be rested but so will every other older defender and we do have a bench.

    Phil · 21/03/2016 at 17:44

    2nd option Sarah even though I'm not overly sold on Rich, I think Lonergan has the potential to be a top3 back. The signs are there, similar to Swallow a few years back.

      Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 21:07

      Thanks Phil

    Danners · 21/03/2016 at 20:46

    Boyd and Weitering

      sarah · 21/03/2016 at 21:07

      Thanks Danners

    Scouser · 22/03/2016 at 00:07

    Like it's been said Sarah I'd focus on who you think the keepers are. Personally I'd run with Boyd as a great POD and you could get a jump on other wafer-thin defences.

    Also, is there any love for Atkins at the crows, tonned up in both his nab games with an impressive 161 pts per 100 min average and a nice price, looking for cover for crouch if not named rd 1, cheers.

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 07:56

      I like Atkins a lot, but it's a big risk for a guy who's only played 8 games!! However he's been in the system a couple of years and as you say, he was awesome in the NAB…

        Scouser · 22/03/2016 at 19:23

        Yeah I hear ya' not much confidence in him myself based on those exact points. I was hoping to hear they have designated a role for him, oh well will just have to keep him on the radar as he looks like he could really be something, cheers

Liam · 21/03/2016 at 15:08

Anyone know when the team's come out??

    Tret · 21/03/2016 at 15:31

    Pretty sure its Wednesday

    Wattsieesq · 21/03/2016 at 15:54

    Carlton and Richmond on Wednesday. I'm guessing the rest will come out Thursday as per usual even thought there is no Friday night game.

    @randomcliche · 21/03/2016 at 16:10

    From memory, last year it was something like Wednesday night for Thursday night game, Thursday night for Saturday games with extended squads for Sunday/Monday games. Friday night should see confirmed lineups for Sunday/Monday games. Hopefully something similar this year (or better…all full teams named wednesday…#unliklely)

      Scouser · 22/03/2016 at 00:08

      Spot on RC was exactly that, unfortunately I can't see it changing, would be nice if it did though.

nel · 21/03/2016 at 15:26

an all Australian and no 1 pick vs 2 hacks easy sarah

    Big G · 21/03/2016 at 15:44

    Lonergan will have break-out year, mark my words.

      Holty · 21/03/2016 at 16:20

      Agree. Especially while he gets some mid time with their injuries.

BigHaydos · 21/03/2016 at 15:40

where do we find out the ownership percentages of players? cheers fellas

    Big G · 21/03/2016 at 15:44

    Players option below team and then Coaches Choice.

      BigHaydos · 21/03/2016 at 16:00

      cheers big g brother

Steve · 21/03/2016 at 15:42

I'm considering either Treloar or Adams ? Which do you think community ?
Cheers

    Chill · 21/03/2016 at 18:35

    Treloar. He will have a dominant year and would be a great early pick. Not many people on him and he is a star.

    Randomclcihe · 21/03/2016 at 19:37

    Adam Treloar that way you pretty much get both….only short an 's'. Doh

    Big balls · 21/03/2016 at 22:09

    Adams great POD

      BB · 21/03/2016 at 23:30

      I've got Adams Steve – hoping for M7 or M8 at the pointy end.

REN · 21/03/2016 at 15:44

if Leuy is fit and named round 1 is he worth a look?

    Steve · 21/03/2016 at 15:52

    No stay away in my opinion

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 16:18

    No. And if someone does happen to say yes, do not listen

    Grahame Lebroy · 21/03/2016 at 16:21

    Don't touch him no matter what

    Phil · 21/03/2016 at 17:38

    I'm picking him REN, confident he will be named….

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:47

    Burn-man

    Scouser · 22/03/2016 at 00:11

    Only in a rear view mirror! Avoid at all costs the TBC of 2016!

CamN17 · 21/03/2016 at 15:54

RIghtio, midpricers.
Do I go with M Crouch or B Crouch or Zaharakis or Steele?

Current mid is Fyfe, Dangerfield, Priddis, C Ward, Rockliff, Zaharakis, Libba, Mills int: Keays, Hewitt, R Davis of Suns (Rookie).

    @footy_bec · 21/03/2016 at 16:12

    I think none of them. Could you spend some more and go a S Gray?

      CamN17 · 21/03/2016 at 16:30

      HOw much is S. Gray? Is he potential premo material?

        @footy_bec · 21/03/2016 at 16:36

        480k – I think he will make cash and be a keeper forward.

        Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:51

        Only played 10 games last year. Did really well but unproven imo and high priced. If he continues on his way then would be a good upgrade target.

          Leeds17 · 21/03/2016 at 19:30

          Locked into Ports midfield & will rest forward and be a goal threat, Hinkley loves him.

            Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 21:21

            Shhhh, stop spilling the good goss

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:49

    Forward line – steele is a good option here

    Matt and Brad Crouch have potential to profit and maybe turn into keepers.

    Not sure about Zaha although a good player he's at the dons….so yeah.

    Scouser · 22/03/2016 at 00:13

    Steele could be a very unique pod and will certainly improve his numbers, crouch has best potential though out of that lot I reckon.

SC_Beast · 21/03/2016 at 15:55

Green or S.Gray currently have Toby for cash reasons.

    @footy_bec · 21/03/2016 at 16:11

    2, a gun.

    Geoff · 21/03/2016 at 17:33

    I think Greene is a better choice. No telling how much time Gray will spend in the middle with Gray, Wines, Boak, Ebert and so going through the guts. I think Greene is a better option as he will be most likely to excel with the departure of Treloar and should spend more midfield time. He can rack up the pill at will as well.

John · 21/03/2016 at 16:04

Podcast today or not later this week after team reveals on Wednesday?

    Tret · 21/03/2016 at 16:12

    Tuesday's now Johnny

      hedski · 21/03/2016 at 16:19

      was that only last week cos of public holiday monday?

        Tret · 21/03/2016 at 16:28

        nah mate, jock said on twitter that podcasts would be released on tuesdays now

          hedski · 21/03/2016 at 16:49

          No worries cheers tret

Ted · 21/03/2016 at 16:11

Just starting a new league hoping to get in the top 100 leagues anyone feel free to join the codes 736716

    hawkboy80 · 21/03/2016 at 17:16

    Im in

Vex · 21/03/2016 at 16:13

Is it bad for me to take crouch over libba? That extra 50k gets me the team I want

    @footy_bec · 21/03/2016 at 16:14

    Unproven to me. No one has even seen him play under Pyke and they have a hard draw.

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:11

    Sometimes you have to go with your gut.

    Brad Crouch just got 40 touches in his match on the weekend. If he stays fit he will score well.

    Draw won't hurt his performance much, especially considering his biggest game in 2014 was 40 touches against the hawks (with dangerfield also getting 41 touches), must've been roughly 20 years old at that stage of his career.

    The only thing you should be worried about with a player with that kind of ability (and at that price) is their fitness to play multiple games.

    Coach and opponents are irrelevant.

REN · 21/03/2016 at 16:16

Asked this above but didnt include the positions which I think effect the decision made

Should I take:

Laird (d1), Smith (d2), Hurn (d3), Harwood (d4)

or

Shaw (d1), Hurn/Smith (d2), Harwood (d3), Weitering (d4)

    @footy_bec · 21/03/2016 at 16:27

    2

      @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 11:57

      Thanks Bec. There is plenty to argue for the #1 defender and top quality growth option in the mids…

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:12

    1

    Scouser · 22/03/2016 at 00:16

    I reckon it depend on your keepers elsewhere Ren, I'm running with weitering at d4 currently as you need to take risks somewhere and defence seems the most logical place, especially with the bombers fillers able to take field spots, option 2 for me.

miri · 21/03/2016 at 16:37

Please rate my team…. all comments are welcome

Def- Shaw , Laird , Sheridan , Aish , Weitering , Dea
(Hartley, Collins)

Mid- Fyffe , Dangerfield , Pendlebury , Ablett , Priddis , Liberatore , Mills , Oliver ( Gore , Dunkley , Davis)

Ruck- Goldy , Gawn ( Grimley )
Fow- Barlow , Gray , Wells , Kennedy , Menadue , Kerridge
( Adams , Brown)

    Derek · 21/03/2016 at 16:48

    you have gone with some heavy hitters in the midfield. couldn't find a spot for Rocky? he is really good value.

    CoachDamo · 21/03/2016 at 17:12

    Defence looks good – although I'm not sure you'll get much from Aish, I'd look elsewhere.

    Your other lines are really solid. There are some slight variations (Rocky, Martin, Crouch, Hall) to others but generally looks like a popular side.

    @TheNoLanguage · 21/03/2016 at 23:18

    Love the Priddis POD. Not sure about the Aish pick though! Big nuts

Ethan · 21/03/2016 at 16:46

Need some help, defence is still bugging me

Def-Shaw, Laird, JJ, Weitering, Dea, Broad (Adams, Brown)

Mid-Fyfe, Pendles, Priddis, Gray, Rocky, Libba, Mills, Oliver (Menadue, Clarke, Davis)

Ruc- Nic Nat, Gawn (Loersch)

For-Wingard, Barlow, Hall, Wells, Kennedy, Kerridge (Grimley, Mcdonald Tip….)

Baggy Pants · 21/03/2016 at 17:07

Does anyone know when your team needs to be finally locked in? Can we still make changes to our sides after the Richmond Carlton game? Or is it like a normal rolling lockout where changes can't be reversed once the round has started.
Can't remember what happened last year.

Thanks in advance, and all the best to everyone for the year ahead.

    Jordan · 21/03/2016 at 17:12

    You still have unlimited trades throughout the weekend but obviously players who have played can't be traded in or out.

      Baggy Pants · 21/03/2016 at 18:52

      Thanks Jordan

    Gord29 · 21/03/2016 at 17:47

    pretty sure you can make changes after the richmond carlton game just not to those players

      Baggy Pants · 21/03/2016 at 18:54

      Thanks Gordo29 I hoped that was the case

Siri · 21/03/2016 at 17:11

Rate my team please…

DEF- Shaw, Laird, JJ, T Mckenzie, Weitering, Dea ( Hartley, Brown)

MIDS – Fyfe, Danger, Pendles, Priddis, Liba, B.Crouch, Mills, Oliver (Gore, Macpherson, Davis)

RUC – Goldy, Gawn (Loersch)

FWD – Barlow, Hall, De goey, Wells, Kerridge, Mccarthy ( Mcdonald, Grimly)

207 K left

    Gord29 · 21/03/2016 at 17:52

    use the 207k to go mckenzie to KK or Degoey up

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:53

    Cookie cutter

Grahame Lebroy · 21/03/2016 at 17:12

Only Tigers and Blues players you want need to be locked in on thursday. U should be able to select all the players from the other clubs on the Friday still

Alec · 21/03/2016 at 17:19

What is everyone's thoughts on Corey Enright? If he was to play every game, is he worth looking at as a POD?

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:27

    One of the most consistent players ever.

    Has averaged 90-100 SC for the last 10 years. No exaggeration.

      Benjamima Puddleduck · 21/03/2016 at 21:23

      and with Thurlow out, will definitely keep those points rolling in consistantly

    Alec · 21/03/2016 at 17:35

    I am highly considering him at the moment

    Russ · 21/03/2016 at 18:59

    Can't doubt his reliability, much like Simpson and Bartell, they usually deliver.

One Touch Wonder · 21/03/2016 at 17:21

DEF: Shaw. Laird. Bartel. Rich. Dea. Hartley. (Collins. McDonald-Tip)

MID: Fyfe. Ablett. Selwood. Rocky. Libba. Mills. Oliver. Gresham. (Petracca. Davis. Gore)

RUC: Goldstein. Naitanui. (Chol)

FWD: Martin. Wingard. Barlow. Wells. kennedy. Kerridge. (Kommer. Brown)

$7,500 in the bank.

Going with a Guns n rookie team.

    'Don't Blush Babbie' · 21/03/2016 at 18:01

    Ballys having Mills and Oliver, could be a winner though, good luck

    fatboyfat7 · 21/03/2016 at 18:35

    I'm not the biggest fan of the Kommer pick. I'd prefer Grimley so you can use him as ruck cover if need be by swinging him with Chol. Neither Chol or Grimely will score very big so probably not much difference between cash generation, just offers a little more cover in case one of the ruck boys goes down. Nice team otherwise.

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 19:47

    I see potentially 6 of your picks not playing round one.

      Bowski · 22/03/2016 at 00:24

      Who are the 6??

Winter · 21/03/2016 at 17:25

Thoughts on Weitering as D3 but in return allows Wells to be F5? Allows me to fit in both Greene and Hall as I can't decide between the 2. Basically its allowing me to swap a premium defender most likely Bartel into a premium forward using Mitch Brown as the DPP.

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 21/03/2016 at 17:59

    I'm think I'm rolling with big W at d3 giving me a powerful midfield. More points in there I feel.

    Jobesbrownlow · 21/03/2016 at 18:08

    No.

      Noigerbour · 22/03/2016 at 09:41

      Yes

Tom · 21/03/2016 at 17:27

Can anyone tell me what the little green 'pieces of paper' next to some players names indicate?

    Big G · 21/03/2016 at 17:51

    Hover over them a they should tell you a bit of useless information (e.g. You should really consider Gary Ablett). Once the season starts, they give an update on how they player is tracking SC-wise and throw in a joke or two.

    SCaddict · 21/03/2016 at 17:52

    Just a fun fact or other notation that the Supercoach boys think may be of interest to coaches.

    If at a PC just hover the mouse over it to discover the pearl of wisdom, fortune cookie style!

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 17:55

    Hover your mouse pointer over the green paper for a bit of advice about the player.

Mark · 21/03/2016 at 17:34

thoughts on sammy mitchell this year, his nab form has been sublime but tooth length is a worry. I don't believe he will be rested too much as he needs 15 games to reach 300 and I reckon hell play the majority of the season. would love your opinions community.

    Russ · 21/03/2016 at 18:56

    Hi Mark, I don't think tooth length is an issue with Sam Mitchell, he's still as gunny as he ever was, and still as keen to play and do well.

Marc · 21/03/2016 at 17:51

Hey boys, Looking to fill up an SC league. Looking for some strong and competitive players to make this one hell of a league! (hoping to crack the top 100
Code:736716

    Jarrad · 21/03/2016 at 17:52

    Joined, hopefully we can have a very strong and competitive league!

      Marc · 21/03/2016 at 17:53

      Cheers Jarrad

'Don't Blush Babbie' · 21/03/2016 at 17:58

Ivan Maric is also in doubt for Thursday night, don't think many people have him in their teams though

Geoff · 21/03/2016 at 18:14

Weitering or Dea

    Chill · 21/03/2016 at 18:33

    Dea. Cheaper so better value.

    Marc · 21/03/2016 at 18:33

    1

    SC God · 21/03/2016 at 18:34

    Weitering, will score more and make more cash

    Gord29 · 21/03/2016 at 19:13

    Weltering I'm not convinced on the top up players from the bombers yet have read reports they will focus on there youth and players they can keep

    Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 19:32

    Weitering – he's a lock in Carlton's best 22. Dea isn't for essendon

    SCaddict · 22/03/2016 at 00:02

    If Dea is named he will find a spot in my side as ultimately I see him as the superior cash generator.

    I think Weitering has been way overhyped for what he is. An 18 year old KPP in an awful team is unlikely to be the best fantasy producer once the real stuff starts and will turn out to be somewhat of a disappointing cash cow I feel.

    Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 06:35

    Both. Both r in best 22

Gro · 21/03/2016 at 18:36

Have 1.05m to spend on my remaining two mids, rest of my midfield is as follows: Fyfe, Danger,Priddis, Rocky, Libba, Mills and bench rookies. Currently I have Wines and Cripps occupying those two remaining midfield positions, but I was toying with getting Pendlebury in which would mean selecting a Crouch bro or nick graham as my other one. I kinda prefer wines and Cripps as I reckon the Crouch brothers will take points away from each other. I could also go Sloane and S Gray, or an on other combo. Thoughts?

    Dean · 21/03/2016 at 19:10

    If you cannot afford Wines & Parker, then go with Pendles & B Crouch if he is named.

    I'm not sold on Cripps, way over priced for mine.

    Randomclcihe · 21/03/2016 at 19:50

    I like to parker the car, have some wines, then crisps and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Russ · 21/03/2016 at 18:55

Very interesting write up Mr Higgo, so did you reset your Team because it was already Cookiecutterish or was it too much from left field with a lot of hope and speculation caused by the media hype and Nab Challenge player's scores? I'm interested to know, I reset my team yesterday too, in other words, deleted the whole thing and started again because I felt I had too many (I hope they'll do well this season) types in there.

I reckon the main aim of Supercoach is to have, keep and aquire players who will deliver reliable scores for the majority of the season, hence I swayed back to a more conservative, trust the guys who have delivered in the past philosophy.

That being typed, I could be completely wrong and the guys who go for all the risky, "break out prospects" and "go to another level" guys, could dominate this season, I also think there's a lot of luck involved in the whole thing. 🙂

    Derek · 21/03/2016 at 19:35

    I thinking the same. Tried to stretch the dollar too far.

      nel · 21/03/2016 at 19:48

      with the soft draw Derek would you be starting with wingard lobbe and wines .Its hard not to maybe the grays as well

Dean · 21/03/2016 at 19:00

I have gone back to my original structure by going weak in defence and super strong in the Midfield & Ruck and also quite strong in the forward line.
Every year we all keep saying that the defence is the most volatile and we know this is the case because every season our premium defenders other then Shaw ALWAYS do ordinary at best.
However each time it comes to the crunch most of us change our minds and change our teams in order to make our defence stronger by the time the season proper is about to start. – I'm the first to admit I changed my structure several times however after serious deliberation I decided NOT me, NOT again.

So here is my team community, feel free to give any feedback good or bad.

DEF: Rance, Rich, Howe, Dea, Hartley, Adams (Collins, Ruggles)
MID: Fyfe, Danger, Pendles, GAJ, Priddis, Rockliff, Mills, Kerridge (Gresham, Hewett, Davis)
RUCK: Goldy, Martin (Wyatt)
FWD: Wingard, Gunston, Barlow, Wells, McCarthy, M Brown (Grimley, AMT)

    Russ · 21/03/2016 at 19:27

    Giday Dean, you've made it quite clear you're not changing anything from here, so I don't know if you want to hear what my opinion is or not but anyway here goes.
    I don't think it's necessary to have Martin and Goldy this year, it's a lot of cash used up, if you kept Martin, you could trade Howe and Rich out for two more reliable scorers coupled with the considerations of trading Wingard and Gunston out for cheaper options, Greene, Hall as an example.
    Gawn would be a good replacement for Goldy and save mucho cash, Rance scored an average of 97 last year as his highest average, before that, it was 88 I think, I think Rance is a good option, but think your other backline options might not score you too well, or they will, maybe.
    I think we all need to eliminate the Maybes as much as possible this year.

Falcon · 21/03/2016 at 19:10

What are thought on dusty martin
Think he'll be alright to start with or will flop?
Biggest issues i have atm
Cant affort to go up but any suggestions on another fwd thatll be top 10 would be great

    Gord29 · 21/03/2016 at 19:11

    he's a keeper but there is the risk he might drop a fair bit. Could come out with some huge scores also

      Falcon · 21/03/2016 at 20:01

      Yeah i know thats why i hard
      He may come out a pump out massive scores
      But his nab form doesnt suggest thatll happen

    CoachDamo · 21/03/2016 at 19:15

    I'm starting without him. I expect his price is more likely to come down to $500 000 rather than go up over $600 000 so he might be an upgrade at some stage during the year.

      Falcon · 21/03/2016 at 20:02

      Yeah thats the feeling im getting too

      Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 20:27

      Agree.

      Noigerbour · 22/03/2016 at 09:46

      And use an extra trade to get him in

    Dean · 21/03/2016 at 19:18

    Not keen on Martin this year, I believe Gunston will score just as good as him as he is super consistent and I really like Wingard also this year, he proved it last season and is entering his prime years as a player now.

      Falcon · 21/03/2016 at 20:04

      From whats been coming from port
      Wingard will be staying up forward not getting much mid time
      And gunston will have the number 1 defender everyweek till roughy comes back
      But i did look at gunston

    Sarah · 21/03/2016 at 19:31

    Dahlhaus – similar priced, should average 100+ again

      Falcon · 21/03/2016 at 20:04

      Will he get the same mid time with libba back?

        Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 20:32

        He's lifted his average SC scores over the last two years, hard to fault him.

          Falcon · 21/03/2016 at 21:04

          Yeah i looked him up again
          Im looking at gray and using the extra money to spend on rookies
          Maybe
          Ill have to think about it again hahaha

james · 21/03/2016 at 19:41

been stuck on this thought for a while community who do i go in the ruck sauce or big mummy

    Mac · 21/03/2016 at 20:16

    Sauce 100%

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 23:26

    Mummy could be the best ruck in the comp but he wont be because he cant get through a season.

Geoff · 21/03/2016 at 19:58

Simpson, KK or Gibo at D2. Laird D1.

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 20:21

    All should have a good 2016. Not really possible to pick who will do the best out of the three.

    Danners · 21/03/2016 at 20:43

    Gibson if you want to play it safe

Mac · 21/03/2016 at 20:00

Is it worth having Grimley at r3? Don't have a ruck rookie in the fwd line. My question is, is it better to use the cash elsewhere if I use wyatt/chol?

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 20:26

    Do you need the 20k for someone? Or are you just trying to max out your salary cap?

    I'd never sacrifice the picks I want just to have a little more money on field.

      Mac · 22/03/2016 at 07:07

      20k for weitering instead of Dea

        Marco_Polo94 · 22/03/2016 at 11:28

        Cant go wrong with either Dea or Weitering imo

Ethan017 · 21/03/2016 at 20:12

anyone know how to get the player ownership percentage, do you need supercoach gold?

    Mac · 21/03/2016 at 20:16

    You go do players then coaches choice on the left hand side.

Chris · 21/03/2016 at 20:21

need youre help community…
Pick the best trio please.

Heath Shaw
Nat Fyfe
Brad Crouch

Houli
Pendlebury
Matt Crouch

Houli
Fyfe
Matt Crouch

Cheers

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 20:44

    1 = Highest scoring but includes highest injury risk and loss of value if they don't perform. Reward could be high though with all 3 guys capable of large scores.

    2 = Pendlebury and Houli are at prices where you can't really see them dropping by much value. Matt Crouch is 100% fit and firing to take the inside mid spot left by Danger.

    Costs a little more than his brother though and debatable whether he can match brad's scoring potential.

    Lower risk. Maybe lower reward week in week out.

    3 = Similar to above option. Is Fyfe worth the extra over Pendlebury?

    When you break it down, hard to ignore option one.

    Phil · 21/03/2016 at 23:00

    Definitely option1

    Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 06:36

    1

    murray · 22/03/2016 at 11:09

    no.1

Danners · 21/03/2016 at 20:43

Great stuff Higgo! The magazine from last year still has many tips that I go back to. I can see people following the bandwagon with people like Hannebery, Weitering, etc. without knowing why they have picked them and having no idea how they will go

    snowy · 21/03/2016 at 23:12

    What magazine was that?

      Danners · 22/03/2016 at 09:19

      Jock Reynolds magazine last year, has some great tips

Rob · 21/03/2016 at 21:01

Hey community i have 100K in the bank and I am wondering what i should do with it

BACK: Houli, KK, Johannisen, Weitering, Dea, Bonner ( Hartley, Ruggles)

MID: Fyfe, Danger, Priddis, Rockliff, Cripps, Libba, Mills, Gresham ( Gore, Petracca, MacPherson)

RUCK: Gawn, Smith ( Grimley)

FWD: Dahlhaus, Barlow, Franklin, Hall, Wells, Kerridge ( Brown, Galluci)
.

    Russ · 21/03/2016 at 21:17

    Hang onto it, if you're happy with your team, could come in handy.

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 21:27

    Bonner on field seems odd. Can't see him breaking into the team. Didn't even play a NAB game………..

    Gore doubtful for round one, never know though.

    Petracca playing seems to be up in the air at the moment after the toe injury. he is training again afaik.

    Not convinced Galluci is ready.

    100K could upgrade zac smith? or maybe petracca/gore/mcpherson if you want to take the punt on oliver for 200k?

    I'm not sure how long he'll hold his spot with petracca and brayshaw coming back though. (If he even has a spot right now.

    If you're happy with your picks at the moment save the 100k and tweak team on round one announcement.

Russ · 21/03/2016 at 21:15

Hi again ladies and gents, still a few spots left in our Leagues, join away and invite friends to get em filled up….
Supercoach…

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'Don't Blush Babbie' · 21/03/2016 at 21:16

Petracca- looks like he may not play Round 1, Is it a good move to have him now and save a trade by bringing him in later ? Just seems to be a lack of quality Rookies

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 21/03/2016 at 21:24

    I'm not starting him but intend to trade him in for a fat rookie around rd 7 dpp is a bonus.

    Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 21:31

    I don't think you can afford a zero on the bench at the start of the season, especially if you don't know exactly when he returns.

Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 21:30

Not including Mills what rookie would have the best job security?

Gresham?

    Tret · 21/03/2016 at 21:35

    Oliver and Parish. Gresham doesnt look like having great JS but hopefully he plays. Looks a gun.

    The lack of mid rookies this year is shite

      Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 22:00

      Really think they will play an 18 year old all year? he only played one NAB game which I find odd.

      The problem with paying 200k is that if they miss games you have an expensive asset sitting on the bench. Plus they need to score well to profit.

      Not convinced oliver and parish will do that. Might just fill my mid bench with menadue/kennedy and use one low priced rookie like davis or at most gresham.

        Southern S · 21/03/2016 at 22:00

        menadue + kennedy*

Gareth · 21/03/2016 at 22:29

Thank I'm happy with my team now:

Def: shaw,JJ,Seedsman,weitering,dea,Hartley
Bench. Brown,ruggles

Mid: Fyfe,danger,Ablett,rocky,Shiel,libba,mills,menadue
Bench: Davis,keays,Joyce

Ruck: goldy,natnuni
Bench: cox

Fwd: Montagna,Batlow,hall,Steele,wells,kerridge
Bench: chol,McDonald-tipu

Be blunt if you wish…..

Steve · 21/03/2016 at 23:00

Hi Community thoughts on these two team guys! Not sure which where to go

Def, Shaw, R.laird, JJ, Tommy S, J.weitering, Hartley : Ruggles, AMT
Mid: Fyfe, Danger, Pend, parker, Duncan, liber, Mills and Kennedy : J.Gresham, Keys and Davis
Rucks: M.gawn. Nic Nat and Cox
Forwards: Barlow, Greene, Hall, wells, Menadue, kerride : S. Grimley and Adams

Def, Houli R.laird, R.rich , Tommy S, J.weitering, Hartley : Ruggles, AMT
Mid: Fyfe, Danger, Pend, parker, Duncan, liber, Mills and Kennedy : J.Gresham, Keys and Davis
Rucks: M.gawn, T goldy and Cox
Forwards: Barlow, buddy, Hall, wells, Menadue, kerride : S. Grimley and Adams

medadsson · 21/03/2016 at 23:08

Masterful insight from Higgo. I guess when you are odd the odds are with you. Few spots left 229043 if anyone interested. Hopefully Higgo's advice will be heeded so we don't have clone wars 🙂

@TheNoLanguage · 21/03/2016 at 23:19

Hey guys, after multiple changes this is what I'm starting to settle on. Get stuck in and give me your thoughts, biggest toss up is going with Simmo down back v Rampe as a decent POD. I've gone with Simpson but still keen on Rampe. Here it is:

B: LAIRD, MCGOVERN, SIMPSON, WEITERING, DEA, HARTLEY (COLLINS, BROAD)
M: DANGER, ABLETT, GRAY, SHIEL, ROCKY, LIBBA, MILLS, KENNEDY (CLARKE, GRESHAM, DAVIS)
R: GOLDY, GAWN (COX)
F: DUSTY, BARLOW, HALL, WELLS, MENADUE, KERRIDGE (GRIMLEY, ADAMS)

    Russ · 22/03/2016 at 01:56

    Replied in the rate my team thread mate.

Blueth · 21/03/2016 at 23:32

whats all this about Harwood, why no love for Tom Cutler?

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 23:39

    not sure why you would select either of them to be honest.

      Blueth · 21/03/2016 at 23:43

      if you're one to get carried away on potential + Nab scores then Cutler might rock your boat.

        Holty · 21/03/2016 at 23:48

        lol. very true. just so much value out there though.

Burndog · 21/03/2016 at 23:47

G'day fellas! I've never put my team up here before, but figured I'd chuck it on the wall and see if you blokes had any pearls of wisdom for me…

B: Rance, Laird, McGovern, McKenzie, Weitering, Dea (Brown, Hartley)
M: Fyfe, Dangerman, Pliddis, Rockliff, Cripps, Libba, Mills, Kennedy (Kerridge, Gore, Davis)
R: Nic Nat, Gawn (Grimley)
F: Barlow, S Gray, Hall, Wells, Milera, Menadue (McCarthy, McDonald-Tip)

I'm reasonably happy with my backs and mids (am also aware that I'm a pube away from disaster as well…but I've tried to rely on just the one true mid-pricer in each line. I worry a little about having Dea, Brown AND Hartley…but I can always chop one or two out when the sides are out. Had a big decision in choosing between Rance, Laird, Rampe and Simpson…any advice on that front would be welcome as well.

Rucks look good…predicting a big one for Nic Nat.

The forwards are a bit rough…I'm not married to the line-up there…need Gray AND Hall to shake the cobwebs…which is a big ask. Still…I'm pretty happy with the caliber of rookies I've managed to snag, and hope they all get a game.

Only $9,200 in the bank.

Thanks Community,

Burndog.

    Holty · 21/03/2016 at 23:53

    hope you are planning on starting Kerridge on field? apart from that, looks like a solid team. The forward line is where you will make the money early on so i wouldnt worry about the forward line at present. as long as you have the right players selected to make you money.

      burndog · 22/03/2016 at 15:42

      Yeah Holty…I haven't really given the rooks a heap of thought. I'll wait until teams are named. I was thinking of putting Kerridge on the bench and if he has a blinder I'd start Petracca or some other rookie that was a few weeks away from getting involved. Otherwise I'd just leave him on the bench and roll the dice.

    @TheNoLanguage · 22/03/2016 at 00:02

    I like it mate. Particularly the backline. I went with Laird, Simpson and Mcgovern but also tossing up between Rampe!

    Russ · 22/03/2016 at 00:45

    Giday Burnman, comparisons between Simpson and Rance are quite different, Simpson has averaged around 95 since 2009, Rance have averaged mid to high 80's from 2011 to 2014, 2015 was the first year he increased his average to 97, can he maintain a 90's average?, I reckon Kade is more reliable, although a bit toothlong…and in a lowly Team, but that hasn't stopped him.

      burndog · 22/03/2016 at 15:44

      Cheers Russ! I'm a bit down on the Blues overall…and worried about having two blue bagger defenders. I might throw Bartel in the mix. Worried about him missing some games, but he's a gun.

    rosy · 22/03/2016 at 10:38

    One of the better starting lineups I've seen so far. Good luck.

Loop · 22/03/2016 at 05:47

Thoughts on Brayshaw? I was looking forward to seeing how he went in the NAB challenge and he lasted 2 seconds.

    Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 07:28

    I don't like the idea of starting with him this year. There r better options that are cheaper

Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 07:46

Does anyone think the elite top 10 mids will change much this year? If so who do u think will slide in or out?

2015 Top 10 Total Point Scoring Mids;

S.Pendlebury 2557 pts
D.Hannebery 2519
P.Dangerfield 2518
M.Priddis 2492
J.Kennedy 2425
D.Mundy 2384
C.Ward 2340
D.Martin 2321
R.Gray 2319
D.Armitage 2303

I feel this could change alot this year. Of Note, D.Martin who alot of people are dismissing now due to his fathers problems finished the 8th best total point scoring mid last year. Dahlhaus finished as the 11th best. Both available in Fwd line as was the case last year.

    GoHawks · 22/03/2016 at 11:08

    Cant see it changing too much.

    Maybe expect Parker and possibly Rockliff to make the top 10, at the expense of Dusty & Mundy. Ablett if fit will be top 10 (but if fit is the key, I dont think he will play enough games).

    Pendles may finish 4th-6th in total points if his role is changed.

      Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 11:53

      Pendles role hasn't changed. He's always been majority midfield and floats around the ground because he can win the ball in defence or forward and kick goals.

      Pendlebury expects to play 80% midfield with stints in the half forward and half back. Multiple reports of this from an interview with Pendle.

      All players will be doing such things with the lower rotation cap. Can't see it hurting pendles score he may even surprise and increase it.

    burndog · 22/03/2016 at 12:25

    I can see J Selwood getting back in there if Danger taking the main tag frees him up a bit. I feel like last year was a blip for him but if he can get the body right this season he should bounce back.

    If.

Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 08:08

Hey guys,

So here it is… draft 349056725… I'm not even kidding!

Def: Shaw, Boyd, Houli, Lonergan, Harwood, Hartley (McD-T, Ruggles)

Mids: Danger, Ablett, R Gray, Rockliff, Cripps, B Crouch, Mills, Gresham (Gore, Hewett, Davis)

Rucks: Goldy, NicNat (Currie)

Fwds: Barlow, Hall, Wells, B Kennedy, Milera, Kerridge (Menadue, McCarthy)

$24k left in the bank.

I've loaded up the defence, midfield and rucks and gone light on in the forward line as this seems to be where there are the most rookie options. The more I looked at the rookies in my defence, the more worried I got regarding their consistency and scoring output. Yes Weitering scored a 99 during the NAB but it was against ESSENDON!! The next game was against Sydney, and yes he did some nice things but he only scored 64. Is that going to be his usual output? He is a first year player, albiet a very good one, but still a first year player, so can we expect that 80 average we'd need to get some decent cash generation out of him? If he only averages 64 he'll only make ~$120k. In my book that's not enough scoring or money to make him a must have in my team. With this set up in defence I'm hoping I won't need to upgrade there for a while and can concentrate on the forward line and midfield.

All comments welcome.

    Derek · 22/03/2016 at 08:40

    Why Crouch over Libba. Is that just your heart, save $50k or other reason?

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 08:55

      A bit of everything really… heart, POD (from Libba), potential, players returning from ACLs generally take a full year to get back their full mobility etc, gut feeling, dogs reduced reliance on Libba, save $50k… so a few things, but mostly I think it's the gut feel that I don't think Libba will be the player we'd be expecting him to be this year. I don't think he'll be a keeper and as a midpricer he won't make much money. Therefore I'd prefer to go Crouch, who has scope to make more money than Libba, is needed more in the crows engine room than Libba is in the dogs engine room, and if traded will be my last upgrade trade.
      Many will disagree with me, but this is why I've gone Crouch over Libba.

        Derek · 22/03/2016 at 09:48

        Interesting……….. When SuperCoach first opened I put Libba in my team and he hasn't moved. Makes me just have a tiny doubt. Thanks sarah

          Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 10:11

          I had him in at the start too, along with Yeo and B Smith… things change!

            TRIGGER HAPPY · 22/03/2016 at 12:59

            Same. now I have none. posted after libbas last game that he looked slow and don't think he will suit the dogs gun and run style. Someone who does is his teammate hunter who has found his way into my team in his place.

        Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 11:46

        Agree 100% with the reasons. If Libba gets a couple of 100+'s in round one and two can always do a corrective trade to get him won't be the end of the world.

          Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 12:16

          Agreed! Thanks Southern S

    kevwal · 22/03/2016 at 08:51

    Hi Sarah. I have no Weitering either, same logic. I do not have Mills either, same logic. I currently have a near as damn it guns/rookies. 3-6(includes Rocky)-2-3(includes Wells) keepers=14. Liberatore(will be B crouch if picked rd1) and 15 rookies. I've never been able to get close to a pure guns/rookies before and it looks good. As per usual, defence rookies will be my undoing. Good luck for the season.

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 09:01

      Thanks for the comment kevwal. I've gone Mills as mid rookies are pretty light on this year and he looks locked into the swans team. At least he isn't a KPP like Weitering! Set up looks good, it's all down to team selection now… fingers crossed and good luck for this year to you too.

    Loop · 22/03/2016 at 09:26

    Weitering isnt in my team for the same reasons. I decided to take a punt on B Crouch instead of Libba because I think that the Doggies have a lot of players now who are capable of high scores. I could be wrong but I dont care.

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 10:10

      Lol! 'I could be wrong but I don't care'!!! Gold Loop!

    Holty · 22/03/2016 at 10:27

    Why Harwood Sarah? Never played more then 16 games in a season.

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 11:47

      Hi Holty, I don't see Harwood as a keeper. I see him as a player who will score more consistently than Weitering and hold down that spot til mid season, providing my backline with more stability than if I put another rookie in that position.

    Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 11:54

    Really like that you have backed in Shaw, Boyd and Houli to be 3 keepers in your Def. Your Prepared to pay the price early for solid points there. But i do feel you have gone too deep in Def and too light in the Fwd line. Mind you it could prove to be a masterstroke POD team structure considering all the teams that we have seen to are very light in Def. Personally i would downgrade Harwood to a Dea type and use the cash in the fwd line. One of your crow boys in Lyons could be a great stepping stone POD in your Fwd line, and by using him you could take a little risk out of the Fwd line with all the rookies you have there. Just my thoughts, could be wrong.
    Mids and Rucks look solid.

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 12:15

      You know what Grahame, that is an excellent suggestion!! I'm looking closer at Lyons as we speak. Can't believe I hadn't looked at him sooner! Thanks and good luck for the season!!

        Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 13:12

        Hope it works out, good luck to you and everyone for the season ahead

    abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:35

    Great side S. Love the Lonergan pick. I had my eye on Cutler over Harwood. Thoughts?

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 12:45

      Cheers Abel. Cutler did look good in the NAB and has great potential. I guess it comes done to gut feel if you think he’s going to breakout? His stats from both NAB games were impressive.

        abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:55

        Cheers. Have a ripping year

      One Touch Wonder · 22/03/2016 at 13:07

      I've had Cutler in and out of my team. I have rich in there at the moment so didn't want to many Brisbane boys. lions don't have the easiest first half of the draw, so the ball will be down back a bit and if he is any good should get it a few times. but i probably won't pick him.

        Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 13:57

        I'd take Cutler for 290k over Rich for 425k in a heartbeat.

        Rich is at his typical scoring price and Cutler is an up and coming young player who could breakout this year.

        Rich and keeper don't belong int he same sentence, so may as well risk the one with larger profit potential.

        Cutler currently at D4 for me.

    TRIGGER HAPPY · 22/03/2016 at 13:07

    good looking team well thought out. we are all gonna be stuffed if ruggles and davis don't get upgrades. as I too have both on the bench and $20k in the kitty. not enough to upgrade both to a $117k rook. so will have to do the rejig dance.

    I'm the opposite taking a punt and going light in defence only expecting 70's from weithering which I think he can manage. all my focus has been in my midfield which will not change barring injury until the byes.

    what happened to ward? thought you were big on him?

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 13:22

      Haha, I've been keen on a lot of them over the preseason.. Parker was a lock until a week ago as well!! I guess the main change to my thinking has been the unreliability of the $400k defenders that dominated my early teams with rookies. Now I'm planning to go stronger there as you can see, so someone had to give in the midfield and it was the position previously held by Ward, and Parker turned into Cripps. So the money from Ward was used to upgrade to Houli and Boyd, who I much prefer seeing them in my backline than an extra rookie. I still like Ward and Parker and will be watching them closely during the season as upgrade targets.

        @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 17:27

        Why did Parker get the chop? Cripps is a good pick. For mine throw a blanket of shiel, cripps, wines, parker.

          @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 17:28

          *over

          Sarah · 23/03/2016 at 09:05

          Parker only got the chop because I wanted Cripps and someone had to make way! I still love Parker.

    Shake n bake · 22/03/2016 at 13:25

    Was goin to say pretty much the same thing if McD Ruggles Davis don't get up might struggle to regig but I'm sure you have a second option. P. S I'm sure you were all over Shiel have you gone cold or was Cripps to good to give up? Is it to save coin?

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 13:39

      Hi Shake n bake!
      If that happens my plan is to cut Kennedy and use his cash to get slightly more expensive rookies. Hopefully they play though! I was all over Ward a couple of weeks ago. I don't think you can go wrong with Shiel or Ward, but I've decided to take a risk on Cripps… and yes it's a risk! I dont see the forward line as that big a risk as that just happens to be where the rookies are this year. Usually it's in the midfield but we don't seem to have many… well, that aren't below $200k! I've got astrong backline, midfield and rucks, and I'm happy with my lighter forward line. Kerridge and Wells, while cheap, should score well so it's not as weak as it might look at first glance. So to help give my team an edge I'm picking Cripps for a further breakout third year!! Fingers crossed!!!

        Shake n bake · 22/03/2016 at 14:07

        I went Cripps as well. it is risk, he's 1st year was a right off but yes in he's 3rd year and hoping there is a lot of upside at he's price. Like u said fingers crossed! On Ward signed up till 2021 in a happy place only could be good!

    The Ranger · 22/03/2016 at 13:28

    Looks good Sarah, risky forward line but they should all at least make money rather than lose it.
    i completely agree on Weitering, first year defensive KPP's are generally not the way to go.
    I'm sticking with Libba tho, NAB is just NAB I think he'll be just fine when the real stuff starts.
    I'm still really tempted by Hall but I'd have to lose Barlow to make it happen…whats ya thoughts on that one?

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 13:44

      Hi Ranger!
      As you can see I like Hall too. He's been locked in my team for many weeks now and he isn't going anywhere unless he injures himself before round 1. I wouldn't get rid of Barlow to get him though. Barlow is a bigger lock… but only just IMO!!
      Even though I've gone light in the forward line to start with, I still think it'll score reasonably well with Wells and Kerridge in there. Kennedy has looked good in the preseason and I'm expecting him to score well enough to be on the field. You need to go light somewhere though and without many midfield rookies, it's the forward line for me. This way I'll be able to assess the premos and trade them in throughout the season as there aren't too many jumping out at me at the moment.

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 13:45

      I'd need to know who else is in your forward line to give better advice…

        The Ranger · 22/03/2016 at 15:07

        Current fwd line is…
        Dusty, Dahlhaus, Barlow, Wells, Kerridge, McCarthy
        I'm likely to stick with Barlow but I do like the look of Hall, he had a fantastic end to last year and looks to be carrying that form on even it was only in NAB.

          Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 15:21

          This is just my opinion, but if you really like Hall, I'd cut Dahlhaus. Hunter is on the up, Libba is back, I think he's at his peak price and could be picked up during the season for a lot cheaper. I prefer to start with value selections where possible (and yes, I am aware that I'm not following that advice in my backline!!)

            The Ranger · 22/03/2016 at 18:32

            I had considered it but Dahlhaus has runs on the board ya know?
            I want my keepers to be (barring injury) definite keepers and I can safely put Dahlhaus in that class I think.
            Even if he does get a little less mid time this year he'll still be there or thereabouts come season end.
            Barlow might not be if he goes forward again and Hall hasn't been doing it long enough yet.
            Youi're right to point out the value that Hall offers…decisions, decisions…

              Sarah · 23/03/2016 at 09:46

              I don't know, I'm a bit unsure about Dahlhaus at his price… he's only averaged over 100 once which was last year. But, you gotta go with your gut first and foremost in this game!

Big balls · 22/03/2016 at 08:14

Aaron Mullet $199,000 defence & 86 in nab 2 .

Thoughts ?

    Doc · 22/03/2016 at 08:28

    Won't play. Not in best 22 IMO.

    GoHawks · 22/03/2016 at 11:03

    Will struggle to get regular games, and wont score as well against good teams.

Ethan017 · 22/03/2016 at 08:48

Robbie Gray or JPK??

    Thom · 22/03/2016 at 09:11

    I have a feeling Gray can take it up another level.

    GoHawks · 22/03/2016 at 11:02

    Gray just, but prefer others.

Doc · 22/03/2016 at 08:56

Need a D3 to round out my side.

Which out of Hurn, j.Lonergan + 50k, Sheridan + 50k.

Consider them all stepping stones.

    Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 08:59

    Lonergan. Will play in the middle for GC, therefore has higher scoring potential.

    abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:38

    Agree. Lonergan should make good early cash and may even become servicable d6

Doc · 22/03/2016 at 09:09

thx. That's who I have gone with at the moment.

Just worried I'm a bit skinny with laird (d1) and Rampe (d2) and hence considering hurn. Saving the extra $ with Lonergan is sure attractive.

Jock Fanboy · 22/03/2016 at 09:22

Thoughts boys
Def, Brodie Smith, Lumumba, Malceski, Yeo, Vojo Rainbbow, Whitecross
Mid, MArtin, Dahlhouse, Simpkin, Aish, Montagna, Omeara, Swallow
Ruck, Lobbe, Leunburger
Forward, Anderson, Boyd, VAnderburg, howe,witts
Plenty Left
THoughts

    clem · 22/03/2016 at 09:29

    dont see this team getting you all the way to the final, but it's a start

    Derek · 22/03/2016 at 09:50

    See if you can fit Zac Dawson in. You need a reliable C each week

    Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 11:43

    Great team if you like donuts.

Ethan017 · 22/03/2016 at 09:23

Rate my team
KK, Yeo, Pittard, Dea, Vojo-Rainbow, Brown (Hibberd, N.Newman)

Mid- Fyfe, Martin, Rockliff, Cripps, Libba, O'Meara, B.Crouch, Wells (Kerridge, Jansen, Petracca)

Ruck- Sinclair, Lobbe (Cox)

Forward- Zorko, Wingard, Gunston, Barlow, J.Kennedy, Kerridge (Simpkin, Kommer)

Expect to score around 2000 week in week out

    Clem · 22/03/2016 at 09:27

    could really improve the whole team mate,
    lets just here what jock has to say

      Ethan017 · 22/03/2016 at 09:28

      I think these players could take their game to the next level this year

        clem · 22/03/2016 at 09:30

        could really improve the whole team mate,

        Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 11:42

        Especially the two kerridge's one in the forward line one in the mid. That's a great tactic why didn't I think of cloning.

        O'meara will go to the next level on whatever video game he's playing at the moment I guarantee that. won't be in AFL for a while though.

Jock Fanboy · 22/03/2016 at 09:30

Thoughts boys
UPDATED
Expecting to score 1850+ this Round
Def, Brodie Smith, Lumumba, Malceski, Yeo, Vojo Rainbow, Whitecross

Mid, Martin, Dahlhouse, Simpkin, Aish, Montagna, Omeara, Swallow

Ruck, Lobbe, Leunburger

Forward, Anderson, Boyd, Vanderburg, Howe,Witts, Petracca, Kennedy

Subs are yet to be Decided, Please honest comments please

    GoHawks · 22/03/2016 at 11:01

    mid-priced madness.

    murray · 22/03/2016 at 11:06

    ugly

      beast · 22/03/2016 at 11:24

      i think i just got aids from this team absolute shittest team ive ever seen

    nel · 22/03/2016 at 12:39

    was that 850 u badly need Liam Jones and zac then you got but not much im sick urrrghhhh

    abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:41

    Should be a prize for lowest scoring team. Just as hard as pumping out the 3000 we all want

rosy · 22/03/2016 at 09:55

Not one game has been played yet this 2016 season. There is literally no relevant statistical data to hang our hats on. The NAB cup may be good indicator for rookies but for established players, it's largely irrelevant. Therefore, I find it amazing that such HUGE calls are being made without any hard evidence. I've seen many starting teams that contain too many gambles. Basically, players are consigning themselves into a position whereby to achieve success, a series of statistical anomalies must take place. I'm not saying these anomalies WON'T happen, I'm saying they PROBABLY WON'T happen. In poker terms – it's like going all-in pre flop.

We all know the main theories: GAJ will suffer a diminished output, Goldy's price will drop significantly, Heater Shaw isn't worth the price tag, Dusty's potential will be affected by his father's issues etc. To all of this I say bollocks. It may happen…but it probably won't. Overwhelming wisdom says, serious teams will be finishing the year with all of these guys. You may scrimp and save a dollar or two here and there but in the end, you'll WASTE trades getting them back in your team during the season proper and these trades should be reserved for cycling through bubbling rookies and building a warchest for the finals. You will most likely put yourself behind the pack and ironically LOSE cash generating ability.

I think a far more solid strategy is to start the season without making too many waves. Keep things simple and don't commit yourself to a hardcore trading strategy that relies on too many gambles. Keep your team agile enough to make the necessary adjustments when needed. WHEN NEEDED…not before a single ball has even been bounced. If you want to take a gamble to 'get ahead' of the pack, do it during the season when we have some data under our belts.

Welcome.

    nel · 22/03/2016 at 12:36

    your team rosy

      Itchy balls · 22/03/2016 at 13:12

      Yes Rosy whats your side looking like?

      rosy · 23/03/2016 at 09:38

      Team is still in flux but I definitely have those four players I talked about. They'll have to PROVE through poor scroing that they aren't worth it.

      Abel is right – we have to take 'some' risks but I think I have limited them. They are:
      1 – No Pendlebury for the first time in forever. I'd like to see how he works with Treloar, De Goey etc
      2 – Daniel Wells at F4. Even though many teams will have him, I'm not 100% about his ability to stay on the park.
      3 – B. Crouch at M6 (pending round 1 selection). Have a gut feeling he'll finish the year upwards of $500k. Good stepping stone.
      3.5 – A.Hall at F3. Not looking like much of a gamble with all of the GC mid injuries. Half a gamble.

    abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:43

    I agree…but price forces risk picking somewhere

Big G · 22/03/2016 at 10:04

McCarthy, Menadue or Gresham for F6/M8?

    rosy · 22/03/2016 at 10:31

    I think Menadue's time has come. Looked solid in the NAB and there is no green vest this year.

      CapTnKaOs · 22/03/2016 at 11:27

      Yep…and with the injury carnage at Richmond, he should get some games.

    abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:44

    Menadue and greshem have much higher scoring potential based on position imo

Shake n bake · 22/03/2016 at 10:20

ok I think I have finally finished my sc puzzle only issue I have is who to pick Shiel Wines or Cripps??????? l have narrowed it down to those 3 only.

    GoHawks · 22/03/2016 at 10:59

    Cripps for mine, weak team will over-possess the ball, wins the ball himself.

    Redgumwon · 22/03/2016 at 12:02

    Shiel I think he'll really have a break out season this year if he stays fit

    Blueth · 22/03/2016 at 12:31

    Guthrie

    abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:46

    All good. I'd go shiel of the 3

    @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 23:35

    Throw a blanket over all of their scoring differences at year end; so save the couple of $ and go with Cripps. Oh, and Cripps outscored each of the others in his first year, he is younger but still in that breakout zone. But I'm not running any of them.

Blueth · 22/03/2016 at 10:23

Jarryd Lyons? 241K, DPP. Heavily used as a sub last year, averaged 115 points per 100mins in NAB.

    Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 11:42

    Yes Blueth he is currently sitting at F5 in my side as it stands. Very much an overlooked player, think he will be a great stepping stone this year

      Blueth · 22/03/2016 at 12:36

      god we're smart

    abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:47

    Is he on the best 22? if so i like it

      Blueth · 22/03/2016 at 13:04

      you betcha

        Blueth · 22/03/2016 at 13:05

        him, Patton and Menzel are all around the same price. Very tough choice

          Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 14:39

          Wouldn't touch Patton or Menzel with a barge pole.

    Redgumwon · 22/03/2016 at 12:57

    Where did Lyons spend most of his time playing in the NAB? I'm now thinking of taking out Oliver and putting Lyons into my midfield or forward line. I just can't for the life of me remember much about his games in the NAB. I know he was the bub plenty of times last year in the season proper

      Sarah · 22/03/2016 at 15:22

      Midfield

        Redgumwon · 22/03/2016 at 16:31

        Thanks Sarah. By the sounds of it he's missed out on a lot of the hype that the Crouch boys and a couple of others have received. Seems that Lyon maybe a little down in the pecking order? I guess we'll have to wait until Saturday for teams to see the final teams. Pity Melbourne play before Adelaide.

      Blueth · 22/03/2016 at 15:36

      the only doubt for me on him is the crows super tough R1-R12

matt · 22/03/2016 at 10:39

I would really like some thoughts on the Melbourne game plan do we think they will continue with the attacking game plan of the NAB cup or go back to the two taggers used each week being viney/vince/bugg/other tagging in the season proper. do you think we still need to worry about gun players we pick coming up against melbourne and being tagged out of the game like last year.

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Nathan · 22/03/2016 at 11:41

Thiughts on mitch robinson as f2?
Will he make top 10?

    Redgumwon · 22/03/2016 at 12:00

    I really liked what I saw in the NAB games. I think with the injuries to key on ballers and all the young kids in the line up. Leppa will be calling on his hard nuts like Robbo to play in the middle more. Looks like he will continue on like he finished last year. A great POD as well. I've traded out Dusty for Robbo at this stage

      Swans2012 · 22/03/2016 at 12:13

      Considering the same, will do if team selections result in me needing more cash to fill my bench

        Nathan · 22/03/2016 at 12:31

        Yeah i made the swap from dusty too
        Just frees up that little extra

Mac · 22/03/2016 at 12:02

De Goey or Greene at F3?

    steve · 22/03/2016 at 12:20

    maybe de goey with varcoe injured?

Nathan · 22/03/2016 at 12:24

I think greene

abel · 22/03/2016 at 12:50

I weighed this up and emded up picking steel.

Chris · 22/03/2016 at 13:06

How much cash should we be left with going into round 1?

    Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 14:33

    I don't worry about cash at all, until I have all my players in. They must all have good reasons for being picked.

    Then I'll use any leftover cash to eliminate who I think are the biggest risks. I wouldn't worry if you have a bit of cash leftover going into round one if you are confident in your squad, you can always use it to upgrade a failed mid pricer etc.

    That saying don't go into round one with 2 mill in the bank it's sure to backfire as every rookie and mid pricer will not pay off!

      Chris · 22/03/2016 at 16:04

      thanks heaps mate, im actually on the other end of the scale and have made a solid team but only have $100 left is this too little

        Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 16:57

        That's fine. In theory the more on the park the better.

          @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 17:37

          +1 Southern S…. Players are priced based on the points they can score, more $ on field the better. Don't need to save it as you can bring cash on to field by trading out cash cows, getting more $ on field scoring more points. That's how this goes.

            Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 20:13

            lol yes I'm aware of that, doesn't mean someone worth 600k is going to score their average in the first few rounds, let alone in that season.

            Plus rookies and mid pricers can be undervalued, you can score as much as someone with all their money on the park, whilst having 500k in your bank, that's how this goes.

            Things change, roles change, players age, rookies get more mid time.

            This is why people won't pay for someone at their ceiling.

              Southern S · 22/03/2016 at 20:15

              Basically what I should've said is if your team is exactly who you want, and you believe everyone has growth potential then having 100k or so in the bank doesn't hurt.

                @randomcliche · 22/03/2016 at 23:25

                I'd go further, there was some optimisation done one year one this site, but I can't seem to find it where they compared what was the minimum budget required to beat the previous years winner. Turned out to be like about $6.X million, might have even been less. Then they run the analysis with the $10m budget constraint and said how much can you score… and well that went stoopid high. So if you draw the conclusion from that the more you spend the better. I have toyed with the idea of keeping nearly $500k back before bringing it in round 5 for an early double upgrade….but I just can't seem to make the logic for it stack up. Basically, it put you circa 40 points per week behind for 5 weeks, then give you an extra rookie to cull later on for a bit more cash which then allows more point scoring later in the year, note this relies on the assumption that you run out of rookies to cull. Anyways, I'm spending the lot having strongly considered about not doing it.

Grahame Lebroy · 22/03/2016 at 13:21

Hi Chris, I think left over cash is shouldn't be a consideration when selecting your starting line up. You want to score as many points as possible from the start so don't be scared to use it all up, most people do.

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