NAB Challenge Rookie Spreadsheet

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@WellsM84 · 15/03/2016 at 18:00
I agree,he's very helpful but The Baron is certainly no tool..

PJ8 · 14/03/2016 at 10:36
Fan footy website or afl.com in advanced stats

Leighroy · 14/03/2016 at 10:49
Footy wire is good too. In saying that in the past there has been an excel spreadsheet of a table floating around showing all players scores and what score would have been if they played 100% game time etc. I think it usually comes out just before season starts.

OldOcker · 14/03/2016 at 13:54
All of the links are on my website. oldocker.com "Ultimate Spreadsheet" you will find here on this site but the link to it is on my site too

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 14:26
Think that was on DT Talk.

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 15:06
I agree with Leighroy, Footy Wire is the easiest to use stats record and has everything you could need

Shannan · 14/03/2016 at 12:17
No because it is an Excel file ( microsoft ) and it's not compatible with Iphone ( I'm pretty sure) if you had one of them Microsoft phones you'd be laughing haha.. I'm like you though I had to use my computer to check lol.

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 12:59
There is an Office 365 Excel app you could try to open it with.

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 13:20
Try this PJ https://imazing.com/fileapp-the-first-opendocumen…

Swans2012 · 14/03/2016 at 21:09
Download sheets app and open In That,works perfecto

CoachDamo · 14/03/2016 at 10:40
The first tab just includes notes – you need to click on the other tabs at the bottom of the page for players in each position.

Bongwaterbrawlers · 14/03/2016 at 10:53
ahhh champion
Cheers bud.

Bongwaterbrawlers · 14/03/2016 at 10:54
Try and work it on your mobile phone mate, its my viewing playform.

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 13:22
Google openoffice it's free and does everything Microsoft office does. Made by apache so it's safe and reputable.

hedeski · 14/03/2016 at 12:11
Still a bit green. Next year I reckon.

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 13:29
I've had him since day dot.

Dean · 14/03/2016 at 22:49
WTF is Ollie Tabooger

Timmy D · 15/03/2016 at 20:22
Clayton Oliver?

JAYZ · 14/03/2016 at 11:04
Not bad if it was under budget

James · 14/03/2016 at 11:07
Yeah it is

Jack · 14/03/2016 at 11:25
Need to do something about having Petracca on the ground. Not expected to play in the senior side straight away. Downgrade Deledio into Dusty/Dahlhaus and look at someone like Linc McCarthy maybe?

Snuffalupagus · 15/03/2016 at 01:12
Get rid of Delidio and Zorko and strengthen you backline. Sheridan and Johanisen appear great value and you will get better returns from forward/mid rookies that are avail. Even just swapping to Toby Greene will save you some cash and he may score better than either of them. Must get Parish in your midfield!! And Brad Crouch if he is playing!

Snuffalupagus · 15/03/2016 at 01:15
Oh yeah, Mathisen received a broken jaw on weekend I think, so he may well not front up round one??

hedeski · 14/03/2016 at 11:23
Ha ha nice throtts

Jack · 14/03/2016 at 11:27
Very nice. Good spread premos, consistent mid-pricers and possible breakouts. Only concern is starting without both Goldy and Fyfe. Could pay off though.

Jock Gaynolds · 14/03/2016 at 12:14
PRETTY SHIT TO ME

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 13:26
I've never seen a prettyshit so I don't think you'll get many sent to you. You can have some of mine but they're quite ugly

Snuffalupagus · 15/03/2016 at 01:06
Actually mate, I think you are missing some valuable cash cows! You have a limp wristed backline. Trade Zorko and Martin for maybe Grimely and Simpkin. They are likely to play and will be serviceable compared to some of your backline which could be helped by trimming off a couple of doubtful cashcows (remember you are looking for 60+ points from your rookies! Upgrade to potential 90pt players who are well priced such as Tommy Sheridan and Jason Johanisen. This will also give you a couple of hundred to upgrade your midfield rookies who should score well such as Darcy Parish. Martin is expensive and a great pick, but picking up maybe Nic Nat will allow you another quality back man such as Kade Koldinaschi! I think you will be a much higher scorer if you concentrate on solid scoring midfield rookies and some Mid/fwds as they normally score better than rear end rookies!! Hope it helps!

DuckingTigers · 14/03/2016 at 11:36
Voila indeed.

Maggi · 14/03/2016 at 18:23
Treloar mate. Gun

Beijing · 17/03/2016 at 02:12
Isn't Parker cheaper …

Jock Gaynolds · 14/03/2016 at 12:14
buy a laptop

Swans2012 · 14/03/2016 at 22:44
sheets app opens it no problem

The_Black_Mamba · 14/03/2016 at 11:50
Im going wyatt in R3 for a loophole but have grimley forward just in case. Cheers!

The benchmark · 14/03/2016 at 11:59
Yea that's might thought process
I'm just concerned about grimleys output. So many better options in the forward line to fatten up as cash cows
I'm probably leaning to no grimley and risk no back up in the ruck and trust my set and forget structure

@emhoy · 14/03/2016 at 12:12
I have gone with bench ruck option for my loophole and dumped grimley there are better bench options

The benchmark · 14/03/2016 at 12:50
yep agreed about grimley.
Sinclair , tippet and Blicavs are your swingmen and I can't pick any of them for my mind. I'd say Sinclair if anyone but has an awkward price
I think that's why many are going grimley on the bench

the benchmark · 14/03/2016 at 12:50
@damo

CoachDamo · 14/03/2016 at 12:15
I'm putting Grimley on the bench in the Ruck and I'm going to choose a Ruck/Fwd in the forward line. Some players will trade out a ruckman if they miss a week or two through suspension or injury – I'd rather just be able to cover them by swinging my Fwd/Ruck into the Ruck.
The problem is I haven't worked out who it might be yet! Sinclair perhaps?

Tiges · 14/03/2016 at 12:32
Sounds solid mate, don't know if I rate Bartel this year in the forward line,. better options out there. Reckon Dea is a better pick over Weitering this year too. Will be consistent and just that $40k less.

mick · 14/03/2016 at 13:37
rance

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 14:29
Like the look of McGovern

abel · 14/03/2016 at 18:58
Like JJ and upgrade Laird to Shaw

The_Black_Mamba · 14/03/2016 at 12:16
Hi there beast. Personally I prefer option 1. Not completely sold on libba but hes to much of a bargain not to start with. My current midfield is Fyfe, Danger, Pendles, Rockliff, Shiel, Cripps, Libba, Mills plus 3 bench rookies. Good luck beast!

Liam · 14/03/2016 at 13:02
I think you need gaz, libba and rocky

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 13:04
I like it, why be the same as everyone else. And the ones you have chosen all played 22, or close to last year.In the second option, 4 were injured and some re-injured, cough, Rockcliff, again fairly quickly.

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 13:10
exactly my thoughts footy_bec

Pete · 14/03/2016 at 19:45
I feel the locked and loaded midfield with players having interupted pre seasons and current injuries is a massive risk rather than a safe play. With the interchange cap we need really fit players that can play max % game time for max scores.

@emhoy · 14/03/2016 at 12:21
I have decided to go with Lids over martin as well, with the tigers needing to start well I think Lids will step up and he is more consistent than Martin. I reckon we can get martin for around 450K later.

Tiges · 14/03/2016 at 12:44
Defence looks solid, as much as the defence rookies won't produce consistent scores this year I think having Weitering/Dea on field you'll be alright. I don't think Bartel will be a top six defender this year IMO, better options out there.
All your other lines look solid as, can't point out any negatives in them mate. Good luck in cracking the top 1k this year

Ben · 14/03/2016 at 13:41
Cheers Tiges, any other options instead of Bartel, who do you reckon?
Bartel was probabaly my biggest worry in the whole team

Zac · 14/03/2016 at 18:36
Bartel for me is a huge lock. Been flagged for more mid time this year and was still pumping out 100's when he did come back from injury!

Harley · 14/03/2016 at 13:15
Team looks great but to me looks like your about 1 million over budget there. Can't see how you managed to fit all those top end players in?
If you did great, just curious

Ben · 14/03/2016 at 13:40
1k left 🙂

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 13:36
Looks solid but B.Crouch I heard on the radio this morning may not play round 1. Speculation but keep in mind.

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 17:24
Ill take BCrouch even if he doesnt play Rnd 1, im ok for him to warm the bench for a game.

Shake n bake · 14/03/2016 at 14:34
If B Crouch is named rd1 he's in my team to.

Zac · 14/03/2016 at 18:34
LOVE your team, very… very similar to mine… 2 players different are salem for shaw in the backline as im a mad melbourne supporter and i expect him to reach premo this year and want to get shaw cheaper. I have Gawn instead of Martin, Viney instead of David and, Sam Gray instead of Lids. Lids will be one i expect to drop too

Hondo · 16/03/2016 at 03:33
Who is this "David". Can't fine it as. Last name…cheers..:)

Ben · 16/03/2016 at 16:16
Davis sorry

abel · 14/03/2016 at 18:49
Now that's a bloody nice ream Ben. Love that the onfield rookies look to be strong scorers. It looks like you may have dropped a mid prem for strong rookie (compared to many other shown teams holding 5 super premiums). The balance and scoring potential this has created is great. I'm gonna have a look at this for my team. I've decided against Bartel this year. Favouring JJ instead at the moment. He took Yeo's spot based on nab form. Be nice to have a talented eagle onboard…but i digress. Houli is another option. May need to go Martin to Gawn to achieve upgrade, but he may reap some early rewards with grigg and conca out for a few. Anyway thanks for sharing and all the best this year

Dean · 14/03/2016 at 23:58
Your team may look good at first glance but after dissecting your team a little it looks like a disaster as you have to many mid & high priced rookies such as: Weitering 220k, Dea 183k, Hall 428k, Crouch 306, Mills 211k, B Kennedy 187k, Wells 243k, Milera 175k, Menadue 155k
Out of all those I can understand having Mills, Wells & Dea to a lesser digree but thats max.
Having all these will impact your cash generation to upgrade later big time, not to mention 50% of them will lose you cash as proven in the past.
Lastly I cannot understand why you chose B Kennedy over Gresham, the guy is 44k cheaper and a lock IMO.
If your mid priced players & high priced rookies all fire you will WIN the $50k, but the risk is high & it takes balls of steel to go with this many high priced players, its never worked in the past but you never know. Good luck mate.

Dean · 14/03/2016 at 23:59
Oh and Hall I can understand.

Ben · 15/03/2016 at 08:21
That is fair to indicate that i do have a lot ot mid price players. They are all chosen on performance based reasons. Regarding rookies costing 150-200k. Its really not a risk picking them. It is actually easier to upgrade an elevated in price rookiess they are already worth more.
I havent seen much off gresham, he scored poorly in the Nab, would of loved to see him vs brisbane :/

Pete · 15/03/2016 at 13:07
Really like your team Josh!
Only adjustments worth contemplating is having 3 essendon backmen. Maybe take out Hartley or Brown for a Rugges from Geelong & in the midfield the quartet of Rocky/Shiel/Cripps/libba. That four players probably needs a little less risk but if it comes off you will be laughing.
Everything else solid brother

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 12:31
Exactly my thoughts, I have been playing around with my structure, and by using the extra money from Libba to Oliver, I can use it to strengthen other lines. seems to have worked well for your team as well!

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 13:08
Looks pretty good to me also. I think a rookie will make more than Libba too. Davis not elevated yet though?

Ben · 14/03/2016 at 13:43
Don't be persuaded to much by NAB performaces regarding LIbba

@emhoy · 14/03/2016 at 14:40
Its more to do with my structure than form, I don't consider Libba top 8 mid so would rather get in a rookie and look to upgrade to a fallen premium later in year. If you consider Libba top 8 mid then yeah lock him in.

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:43
I am surprised you don't consider Libba a keeper. Did average 110 in 2014. Otherwise, a different team, defence needs a bit of work, either Lonergan/Weitering should be upgraded. Both are alright midpricers but your defence might not score too well early

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 12:32
Ward – Super consistent, not likely to get the tag, never misses games you know you will always get that 110 score from him, plays in the guts and off the half back and gets contested and uncontested possessions.

azza · 14/03/2016 at 12:35
My thoughts exactly. Thanks beast!

Nars · 14/03/2016 at 13:37
Shiel. He will explode this year

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 13:46
Ward for the reasons that SCB gave plus, Shiel has the misfortune of regularly missing games through injury

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 14:37
Can we have both Ward and Shiel in our midfields? I've heard Sarah mention Ward as POD and I'm a little worried that Rocky is under done fitness wise not having played a NAB Challenge game

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:44
Tough call, but Ward as he can handle a tag better and has shown he is a consistent scorer

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 14:32
I'm not sold on KK but many are. Looks good, although not a lot of POD. But that might sit fine with you!

Bongwaterbrawlers · 14/03/2016 at 20:08
Im not sold Kk either, swap Kk to JJ and free up some cash for first trade.
Love the mills and oliver selection, i want both but may only go with one, as i'd much prefer crouch.
Very solid side mate.

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 13:34
Looks very solid.

FootyFanatic · 14/03/2016 at 12:40
What are you fishing for Jock? I do quiet a bit of fishing myself.

Paul · 14/03/2016 at 12:44
Essendon Supporters on BigFooty? haha

jockreynolds · 14/03/2016 at 13:00
Swordfish mate

neil · 14/03/2016 at 13:57
no Fyfe the adams pick is great don't think hes ready nor will he play much but better pick than Collins imo great squad

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 13:33
Some of the best rookies this year are over $130k. Something to consider. Not sold on Steele but rest look ok.

FistingAction · 14/03/2016 at 13:53
Absolutely agree. The average needs to be 130, meaning I can get the 150 rookies as long as i balance it with the 117 rookies. Easily done

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 13:42
I reckon you're mad for leaving out Kerridge

FistingAction · 14/03/2016 at 13:53
Kerridge will almost certainly be in my team provided he is picked round 1 which he should be

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 14:45
My oversight he was obviously accounted for by one of your 'rookie'

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 13:32
Looks good, similar to a lot of teams. Zorko to watch as he may get suspended.

Krups · 14/03/2016 at 13:57
Thanks. Dont think I have to much $$$ on MID bench?

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 14:25
The point is for them to make money, so it is important they play. No point spending 102k on a non player.

Mike · 14/03/2016 at 14:19
If he has some speed he's a real chance. Anyone know if he's quick?
We all need a cheap mid now that Cameron took out Mathieson.

Steeeve · 15/03/2016 at 12:50
Not blistering fast but up to the pace of the game. I expect him to be on the bubble about mid season. Can play forward which will help because he's only a skinny lad still and the Swans midfield is loaded.

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:45
Was a emergency many times last year, should get a few games but I'm not sure when

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 13:24
Yes he will definitely score 100's

@footy_bec · 14/03/2016 at 13:31
I think Laird will have a great season.

Scrad · 14/03/2016 at 13:33
im thinking laird is the better option, less of a chance to spud up maybe

Steeeve · 15/03/2016 at 12:50
Both for me, the more who jump off KK the better

kid · 14/03/2016 at 13:42
doubt he will break into the sydney side.. maybe after an injury

Leeds17 · 14/03/2016 at 17:00
Surely they need to be playing these kids they stagnated last season

Steeeve · 14/03/2016 at 22:09
He seems ready but such a strong side for a midfielder/flanker to break into. If he can't get a run this year and winds up somewhere else will be an absolute lock. This season? Probably one to jump on when he gets on the bubble later on.

DadSmasher · 15/03/2016 at 10:56
Thanks steeve

DadSmasher · 15/03/2016 at 11:24
I did a bit of digging myself Apparently he's an inside midfielder and Sydney have a lot of them, what the swans need is an outside runner to replace Jetta.
Digging deeper hewett was interviewed by 10 different clubs at his draft combine, is almost ambidextrous and racked up 30plus pozzy's a few times last year in the neafl. If he's named early I'll give a seat on the pine

Steeeve · 15/03/2016 at 12:53
Ability to kick goals as shown in nab will help his chances. Not big enough to play inside midfield at afl level yet and the Swans are loaded with those extractors. Third year and he was emergency plenty in his first season as well as last year. That's despite his first preseason being injury interrupted. Watch list for sure.

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 13:52
Great team could only be better with wells at M5 instead of 4

The_Black_Mamba · 14/03/2016 at 13:54
What would you recommend changing? Have 30k left in the kitty.

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 13:59
maybe Matthieson he's got a fractured cheek bone from the Cameron hit. Will have an op maybe tonight and will miss 2 or more weeks

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 14:44
That's a real tough question and I got my alphabet wrong in the first reply. With only 30K left it would require a few changes to get wells to F5 I seriously considering taking a punt on Garlett at F4, I think he can make Carlton supporters cry just a little bit harder by having a Betts type breakout (reasons are in Melb game summary) he certainly wont do any worse than chopstix over the first 5 and if he does as well as I reckon he will I might be able to swap him for choppy at bye time.

The_Black_Mamba · 14/03/2016 at 15:13
What is your current team?

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 16:52
It's in a fluid state at the moment Mamba but I'm trying to structure so that I have a minimum 12 premos for each bye, obviously that means trading up a few donkeys to thoroughbreds

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 14:01
You might also need two more on the bench in the back line 🙂

The_Black_Mamba · 14/03/2016 at 14:05
Sorry mate, I have collins and ruggles on the bench

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 14:05
I like Ruggles and good value if they upgrade him to the main list.

Mighty_Hondo · 21/03/2016 at 02:28
Someone said something about a SS with all players not just rookies… Can't find the post though.

TheWoodySpoon · 14/03/2016 at 14:21
This isn't enough for you? You want mummy to pick your side for you or what?

Sause · 14/03/2016 at 16:17
Ha, ha.

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 14:24
Maybe Blicav to Nic Nat. I'm just not sure Blicav will a role this year allowing him to score as high as last year?

Ethan · 14/03/2016 at 17:12
My thinking with the blicavs move is that i can swing him into the mid late season and pick up goldy

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 18:43
Cool that's fair enough. I'm just worried Blicav's not going to score as high as he did last year and might not be in the top 8 mids. If he goes to your bench then you'll have to much cash sitting on the pine?

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 14:20
I thought I'd put my latest team up for feedback
Backs: Shaw, Laird, Bartel, Dea, Brown, Hartley, Broad, Adams
Mids: Fyfe, Danger, Gaz, Shiel, Rocky, Libba, Mills, Oliver, Petracca, Maithieson, Davis. Maithieson is now injured and will need replacing & I will have to wait and see on Patracca. Davis needs to be elevated off the rookie list.
Rucks: Nic Nat, Gawn, Grimley
Forwards: Dusty, Barlow, Greene, Wells, Kennedy (Melb) Kerridge, Kommer, Tippa. Tippa will need to get off the rookie list

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 15:12
Couple of hamstring issues for Rocky over the break. Yes he's running unders but i think a little underdone as well. Consider Ward, Cripps, Shiel, Sidebum, Gaff.

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 15:18
Thanks Booma I was thinking the same. I've got Shiel in the side now. I was toying with going with Ward as Sarah has pointed out he's very reliable and can be a good POD player. Then there is the guys you've mentioned and Parker & Wines. Maybe I can down grade Jimmy Bartel for a Sheridan or Lonergran and get the cash to upgrade to Priddis?

Zambo · 15/03/2016 at 17:11
Rocky doesn't run fast enough to risk pinging a 'string, he'll be fine

Nars · 14/03/2016 at 16:06
Hes priced at 101 but should average over 120. I advise you not to miss the boat

Beagz · 14/03/2016 at 20:35
But is it worth having a guy that averages 115 for 10 games?

@rileyflanigan24 · 14/03/2016 at 14:20
Hasn't been playing as much midfield time in the NAB cup, I for one am avoiding him

gaz · 14/03/2016 at 14:45
cheers

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 15:30
Feel like he is already at his ceiling

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 14:24
Weitering

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 15:31
Agree with beast, Weitering & use the $90K you save elsewhere.

Average Joe · 14/03/2016 at 14:28
And JJ to Laird

I N Pieman · 14/03/2016 at 15:43
Sheil to Fyfe Yes No reason required
Mills to Crouch No. Neither are keepers & Mills will make more money & more likely to play 2 weeks in a row
S Gray to Dusty: Good dusty is brilliant. Who knows which one plays this year. Tough call. Like Gray. Lineball call
Hall to Bennell: If Bennell has a full preseason for sure. Still think Hall requires a trade at some point. Not going near either
JJ to Laird: Is the winner here. Just think that makes the most sense. Think teams will target JJ & he wont be hard to spot

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 14:56
184k is too much to have in the bank. Maybe turn one of Sheridan, Lonergan, or Steele into a keeper.
Adams is already on the senior list

Knackerbags · 14/03/2016 at 16:02
Paply out and Adams into the forward line.
Steele looks as of he will get time in the midfield and so does Lonergan for the Suns. That leaves Sheridan??
Many in the Community rate him highly. If I take him out that leaves me $528,200 to spend. I think Rich will be in the midfield all year and he is DPP or I can get Rance and/anyone below him?????

NickV · 14/03/2016 at 16:25
laird is good

Steve · 14/03/2016 at 22:16
that league is now full, i created another league though if interested 738737

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 14:58
He's rookie listed atm but if elevated and named round 1 then I'll be all over him

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 15:34
If upgraded lock him in

@Nars76 · 14/03/2016 at 20:21
I think he is better value than weitering

WoodySpoon · 14/03/2016 at 20:42
Only if you like the idea of raising money to upgrade to premiums.

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:47
No, won't average as well as he did in the NAB challenge

DadSmasher · 15/03/2016 at 11:12
Tough one Azza Wietering has never played the real stuff and Dea couldn't make it at the tigers
Wietering is more likely to hold his place for the whole season but he might be susceptible to injury like a lot of gangly rookies. Dea is obviously a harder body that's more used to the physicality of AFL football but he could make way later for rooks who are valuable to the clubs future.
Wietering's extra price means that he'll be easier to swap before price changes if he bombs or breaks.
If wietering is your D4 Dea is a good D5 at this stage.

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 15:39
With how skinny your FWD line is i would want more premiums in the MID. You're banking on a few too many mid pricers to have BIG seasons. But if it pays off you'll be laughing

Nathan · 14/03/2016 at 15:55
Thanks Mate, with the rookies at basement prices (102K) extremely hard to come by (then they have to score), I think you will find most teams running around with 11-12 MAYBE 13 Premo's because you have to pay extra for quality scoring rookies that have job security.
I can count 11 keepers in my side with wines, Parker, Libba all potentially have really good seasons (wont be a disaster).
so I think I have really strong defence (Luke Mcdonald is my breakout)
strong Middle
Extremely strong rucks
Average FWD with a potential strategy that could breakout for me.
I with you Booma, lets hope it pays off!!!

Tiges · 14/03/2016 at 16:53
As crazy as your team structure is, I actually don't mind it at all. I think getting rid of Parker would be a good move though, getting sucked into the trap. JPK/Parker/Haneberry all getting rotated around the forward line, all taking possessions off each other like last year… Pass. Not enough reward for risk.

Tiges · 14/03/2016 at 16:54
Also trade out Hewett for Gresham, trade out Gore, swap Menaude into your mids and then get Mitch Brown so you have a FWD/DEF swing for early trades between him and Tippa.
Hewett and Gore both won't play early

Nathan · 14/03/2016 at 17:42
Great call mate, will do

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 19:42
Liking this side very much.
I count 12 Possible Premos in your side, which is solid.
All sides are going to get hurt somewhere by rookies.
Only thing i caution is what if a couple to many of those fwd rooks get laid of early.

Nathan · 14/03/2016 at 20:44
That's the risk I have to take mate- willing to go there though- thinking it will either ruin my season or I will go straight to the top

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 15:41
I like Oliver over B. Kennedy

Choco · 14/03/2016 at 16:00
Either one, however Kennedy has dual status and is a reasonable f5 or 6.

DadSmasher · 14/03/2016 at 17:27
Hi George, I had a similar dilemma so I downgraded Mills and moved Barlow into the middle. My current Fwd is Robbo, Greene, Hall, Wells, Kennedy, Kerridge and I have Libba as M8. But I'm keen on getting Jeff Garlett so I might drop greene move Barlow back to fwd and put Kerridge at M8. aaarrrrgggghhhhh

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 18:44
Starting players are either Keepers or cash creators.

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 16:37
Good spread, dasha. Hoping Wingard gets midfield minutes or you relying on him to kick a few each week?

WoodySpoon · 14/03/2016 at 22:14
You are lousy in bed and your breath smells of elderberries.
LAIRD, BARTEL, JOHANNISEN,
DEA, BROWN, COLLINS
MID:
FYFE, DANGER
ABLETT, ROCKY, WINES
LIBBA, MILLS, PETRACCA
RUC:
GAWN, NIC NAT
FWD:
DUSTY, WINGARD, BARLOW
HALL, WELLS, KERRIDGE

Chill · 14/03/2016 at 15:11
You can have a set and forget ruck combo without the best ruckman. It's not like successful supercoachers have the top 8 mids by the end of the year. They usually have 8 of the top 15 or so mids. I think the same can happen for rucks. Pick 2nd and 3rd best rucks. Lock them in. Focus $$ elsewhere. It is possible.

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 15:50
Using last year's stats, Goldstein was a clear number 1 ruck and there's no reason that he can't back it up, averaging 18 more points than the next best and 438 more than the 2nd best over the season.
The difference in picking Jacobs over Goldstein last year would have been roughly the same as picking Boak over Pendlebury or Taylor Adams over Fyfe.
The points lost, you would've needed an almost a perfect team to make it up.

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 15:55
Meant to say Ebert not Boak

Sam · 14/03/2016 at 15:56
Wise words Sarah. The extra $100K would be useful for my forward six, but I'm sticking with Goldy and NitNat.

Paul · 14/03/2016 at 16:02
That's true, but at his price if he has 1 bad game/knock to the head/hamstring tightness/shoulder knock/etc and his price will plummet.
On top of that, Goldstein's first 4 games will be against Jacobs, Martin, Gawn and Sandilands. That's 4 tough games in a row, so it's not out of the question that his output will be significantly lower than his average from last year even without an injury over those 4 games, which could drop his value significantly as well.

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 16:20
Very good point:
Goldstein vs Jacobs: 100
Sandilands: 80
Gawn: 155
Martin 140.5 [Leunberger played both games]
He still averaged 116 for the 6 games when he played against those 4 ruck, but with those games earlier in the season, would you have the money to pick him up when all the rookies aren't at max price. From rounds 5-13, he does not play an elite ruck so when his price and average both increase, it'll be hard to trade for him.
Injuries can happen to anyone, anytime. It's a risk for all players. Goldstein's healthy at the moment and has played 20+ games in the last 6 seasons.

George · 14/03/2016 at 16:25
I know he is the best, I currently have Goldstein in as R1, but is he worth 700k? Would it be wiser to leave him out altogether, instead choosing Martin/Jacobs/NicNat to save 100k? How many points do you believe he will average more than the next best?
Goldy/DeGoey
or
Jacobs/Hall

Chill · 14/03/2016 at 16:39
Sarah – do you have the same argument for Shaw? Just interested..

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 17:01
Like Goldstein, I think Shaw's a must have but very tentatively and I can understand people not picking him.
In the last 8 seasons, Shaw has only played 20 or more games once which was last year (all 22). My main concern is not his output but how many games he'll play.
Average wise, Shaw will be the top defender, I can't see anyone who can challenge him. It won't surprise me if he's 10 points better than the next best. Total points, I have no idea who will be the best. Popular picks from reading teams such as Laird, Bartel, Birchall, KK, JJ, Gibson, SImpson, Rance, Houli etc. I can make a good case not to pick them and the cons outweigh the pro's.
Even though Shaw is peak priced, there's no one to replace him at D1 so i'm willing to risk and hope he doesn't miss many games.

Chill · 14/03/2016 at 17:51
So with Shaw and Goldy in..one of your lines must be looking a little lean. I mean compared to others who are loading up their mids etc. how are you combatting that? Mid pricers or hoping that the rookies pull through?

Tylo · 14/03/2016 at 22:11
The difference is if you don't start with Shaw it's not likely you would be starting with 6 backline keepers. You don't set and forget your whole backline

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 16:35
Goldy logged one bad game last year, 44 in round 8. His price at that time was 571k. By the time it was out of his 3 week rolling average, he was 512k. A "plummet" of 59k.
I didn't have Goldy at all last year and had the exact same reasoning I'm reading now: too expensive, I'll pick him up after his price drops. I was right on the latter, but SC ruins even the best laid plans. You will have more pressing problems to deal with. Pay the price now, look for value elsewhere

TRIGGER HAPPY · 14/03/2016 at 18:06
That 44 was because he got a kick in the face. Unlikely to happen again.

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 18:53
I have Goldy in atm, but still subject to change.. It's funny that we will happily fork out $700K for an Ablett or Fyfe but not for a ruck man that has just as high average point per game..

@Nars76 · 14/03/2016 at 20:24
Ablett has always been a must have. Goldy in the same boat

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 18:48
No. The top players have the best 8 at the end of the year.
That is why you MUST make cash early. If you stuff around with mid pricers who score ok, your rank will look good until about week 10.

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 15:46
I agree with Chill, the $ saved by not having Goldy can upgrade a player elsewhere to gain the missed points. However if you are captaining Goldy then that is an extra 50-60 points you need to come up with from the other upgraded player/ players. Both plans have merit.

I N Pieman · 14/03/2016 at 15:52
I agree Sarah. If you going set & forget Goldy is a must. He is a must at some point & trying to get blokes in at 600k+ is bloody tough. I can understand the Mid pricer to try to get up to him. But it doesn't always work. You may find you need 200k plus to get him. That money could be used for to 2 upgrades. He's also good for captain scores against weaker rucks

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 16:11
Sorry can someone remind me how many years its been since the No. 1 ruckman has backed up the following year to be No.1 again? Ive forgotten..
Im not saying he wont back it up and im not saying he will.
I think there are better value options than spending $700k on the Giant.
Does anyone think the new interchange rule will have a effect on the output of the rucks?? more point/less points??

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 18:55
I'm with Ben. Not sure what the interchange rule will have but more so the sub vest change. Until the season starts I'm not sure

hedski · 14/03/2016 at 19:14
I don't think it will affect the likes of goldy who will just run all game puddles

TRIGGER HAPPY · 14/03/2016 at 17:59
Hey Sarah i am looking at taking a bit of a different tact with my rucks. Probably going to start gawn and nic nat. The cash saved in going down to nic nat from goldy allows me to upgrade to priddus in my mids and shaw in def. Then around rd 7 i plan to upgrade whichever ruck has scored less probably nic nat to goldy. The difference i am hoping to upgrade will be about $100k and one of my rooks should have gone up by that much by then. This plans gives me:
Fyfe, danger, ablett, priddus, gray, rocky and libba as starting mids which should account for the difference in point from goldy to nic nat.

Chill · 14/03/2016 at 18:30
I'm going the same route Trigger. I have faith.

Bottoms blues · 14/03/2016 at 20:41
So if neither of the 3 players drop in price/drop very little, you'll be wasting 2 trades to get goldy into your team?
1 trade downgrading a player
2nd trade, trading your already premo ruckman for an extra 10-30 points per round give or take?

TRIGGER HAPPY · 14/03/2016 at 21:01
I wouldn't call it wasting. If i get two more premos that i would have to trade into my team anyway and the trade down from a rookie to a rookie would have been done anyway then i am only technically using one trade to go from nic nat to goldy whereas i would have had to use 2 trades to get priddus and shaw from a mid pricer.

Matt · 14/03/2016 at 19:13
Hi Sarah, who would you pick out of Parker, wines, Shiel and Cripps? Having a tough time deciding between them

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 21:28
You can't go wrong with any of them. I like Shiel the most, Parker the least out of the 4

Lemon_Tree · 14/03/2016 at 15:51
Ablett and Libba

Krups · 14/03/2016 at 16:13
Priddis

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:48
Priddis if you need a POD

I N Pieman · 14/03/2016 at 16:10
When the game is iced you'll be angry about seeing SMitch sitting on the pine in the last quarter. Happens all the time. With limited rotations expect to see it even more. Should answer your question

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 19:00
You beat me to it Pieman.
I love Sam. But he has had 30+ over 100 times but 40+ once. When the job is done he sits down and instead of turning his 110 3/4 time score into 150, he rests.

Krups · 14/03/2016 at 16:45
If you read the intro it's tomorrow as the boys have gone fishing for swordfish

Fox · 14/03/2016 at 16:35
Wrong game mate …. This is SuperCoach ! No changes too positions in this caper 🙂 thjd is where the big boys play haha

Fox · 14/03/2016 at 16:37
*this ,,, and yes I can spell haha

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 17:49
Really?
I was certain SC did last year.. I must be losing my mind!

Tiges · 14/03/2016 at 17:00
I'd say most teams should be aiming for 14 keepers. I had 15 until the amount of cheap rookies who looked decent started to drastically deteriorate. Downgraded Dalhaus so I could afford the Oliver/Dea/Kennedy types.

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 19:32
Ouch, im at 10 could work out to be 11/12 with wishful thinking.

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 18:58
Yep no DPP changes during the year for SC, sorry Duck

Average Joe · 14/03/2016 at 19:58
The amount of keepers per team depends on your team structure and style. If you are going with midprice madness, you obviously aren't going to have 15 keepers in your team. A good number to aim for is 12, as most teams have mostly guns n rookies with the occasional mid-pricer in there

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 20:49
This is true, its just the rookies this year… the ones likely playing games early and holding a position in the best 22 are so damn expensive.
Libba/Crouch/Hall are mids im starting with and will definitely get traded up at some point.
Im at 11, i didnt count Gawn before. I feel he might get traded up before the seasons end though.
There are so many players this year that could be called 'Keepers' especially through the mids.

neil · 14/03/2016 at 21:16
does that mean 20 trades to full premium…i.e 22less your 12prems by 2 trades each no IMO you need 13

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 21:45
Not quite, the few mid pricers will be a direct trade to a fallen premo.
another 6 trades to other rooks and 6 trades to premos.
So roughly 16.
14 trades to fix up injury and my dodgy selection of players =D

nickv · 14/03/2016 at 16:38
team 1 is the exact same as my team exept for one player…

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 16:47
Practically is
Laird vs Gibson
Mills vs Libba
Oliver vs M.Crouch
Goldy vs Smith
Gray vs Ablett
Team 1 is guns and rookies with the use of Mills and Oliver as cash cows. Team 2 has M.Crouch and Libba which are stepping stones, but won't make as much cash. If you want Crouch, I suggest going Brad Crouch. I prefer Laird to Gibo, as he won't be playing that lose man role this year with Lake retiring and I like Goldy better than Smith just by a little… – set and forget ruck. Team 2 has Gaz, and we all know what he is capable of. Gray is no doubt a gun, but a fit Gaz is no match although Gaz is in a race for round 1.
Hope this helps.
Beast.

Tiges · 14/03/2016 at 17:02
I'm not sure if I missed this abbreviation but who is JJ?
I prefer team one, even without Ablett.
Goldy's a shoe in.
Don't rate the Hall pick at all, if you weren't considering him pre-NAB, you shouldn't be considering him now.

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 17:05
JJ is Johannisen

Molly m · 14/03/2016 at 17:03
I like the look of team 2

Bernie · 14/03/2016 at 17:16
Personally like the look of team 2. Midfield is stronger, and i like the risk of crouch and zac smith both have performed well in the nab challenge. Gibson in the backline as well not many people have looked at gibbo but still and elite sc scorer and this nab has looked really solid

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 17:31
I'm sorry Bernie but I disagree. Gibo will be a KPP for the Hawks whereas Laird provides run and drive off the half back. If you want crouch, get Brad Crouch, just had 40 possessions in a practice game. Goldy is a must IMO. Team 1 is very similar to mine.
Beast.

jamesfern · 14/03/2016 at 17:33
Gibson is a solid performer, week in and week out, as he has shown in this NAB cup. Laird for team 1 is a good choice, but is certianly no Gibson on their days. Also questioning weitering who is in both teams, with his job security looking a bit too thin to trust. Both midfields are strong, but I have got to hand it to team 2. Team 2 has a solid midfield consisting of a large amount of premos. Team 1's midfield is also strong but a midfield should be a midfield, minimal POD's who are risky. Ruck contest goes to team 1, marginally. Team 1 has a solid ruck whereas team 2 is lacking a bit. For the fowardline, team 2 is looking to edge it. I don't know the rookies of both teams, but team 1 choosing kerridge and tipunwunti, I'm not sure about that. Overall, team 2 takes the winners choice for me but only just.

BKW · 14/03/2016 at 21:13
Well said!!

George · 14/03/2016 at 16:40
Pretty much is:
D:Laird, JJ, McGovern, Weitering, Dea, Hartley (Brown, Ruggles)
M: Fyfe, Danger, Priddis, Ward, Shiel, Cripps, Libba, Mills (Petracca, Mathieson, Davis)
R: Goldy, Gawn (Chol)
F: Barlow, Robinson, DeGoey, Wells, Kerridge, Adams (AMT, Grimely)
OR
D: Shaw, Laird, JJ, Weitering, Dea, Hartley (Brown, Ruggles)
M: Priddis, Treloar, Ward, Shiel, Rocky, Cripps, Libba, Mills (Petracca, Mathieson, Davis)
R: NicNat, Gawn (Chol)
F: Barlow, Robinson, SGray, Wells, Kerridge, Adams (AMT, Grimely)
Thoughts?

George · 14/03/2016 at 16:41
Shit didn't mean this as a reply, sorry Bazz, I would go team one for you

SC_Beast · 14/03/2016 at 16:41
Option 1. Fyfe, Danger and Goldy are locks.

B-T · 14/03/2016 at 17:32
3 Spots left…

B-T · 14/03/2016 at 19:04
League filled, thanks guys.
Cheers Brett

B-T · 14/03/2016 at 18:52
1 Spot left…

john · 14/03/2016 at 17:35
I reckon Cripps.
Wont get the tag that much,
not many people can steal points off him from Carlton
and
also look what he did in his second season of AFL !

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 21:28
He will get the tag, but will still smash it

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 17:39
Cripps

Sean · 14/03/2016 at 21:53
definitely parker, ready to explode. Cripps will get smashed without any support in a shit team

B-T · 14/03/2016 at 17:36
I got both in the fwd mate

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 17:48
Stupid question. Wells

Phil · 14/03/2016 at 19:41
Very interesting…Is that career or 2015?

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 19:48
2014 and 2015, since Mumford came to GWS

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 20:52
Pro Stat

Rayza · 14/03/2016 at 23:31
Freaking Gun of a Stat!

Tiges · 15/03/2016 at 11:26
Looks pretty solid John, defence and forward bit weak for my liking. Unsure of the defence rookies scoring potential to be able to give you a decent score week in/week out. Midfield and ruck is locked and loaded.

CoachDamo · 15/03/2016 at 12:29
No ruck cover, are you taking a zero if goldy or gawn miss a week or 2? Or trading?

hedski · 14/03/2016 at 18:20
+ Cockatoo 2 weeks

Bongwaterbrawlers · 14/03/2016 at 20:15
Replace Papley with m brown, and get Dea down back, you'll thank me later.

fatboyfat7 · 15/03/2016 at 13:17
Like it a lot. Balanced the books well there

Dan · 14/03/2016 at 18:19
Dea and Hartley

Bongwaterbrawlers · 14/03/2016 at 20:13
Dea and Brown.

Gaveday · 15/03/2016 at 07:20
You could play brown up fwd.

Eric_the_Red · 14/03/2016 at 19:26
No Wells, Beast? I really like Steele, but don't want to miss out if Wells dominates. Overall I really like your team mate. Good luck this year.

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 21:12
I bet Wells points drop like flys once Higgo is playing back in Rnd 1

Booma · 14/03/2016 at 19:28
Lots of bombers in that back line beast, i'd be hesitant after yesterday drumming.. Think Steele is an interesting choice over Wells. Best of luck this year.

Redgumwon · 14/03/2016 at 19:53
I don't think they'll be there to long. They look like the money making machine for upgrades. Most will be gone before or during the bye rounds

Aye · 14/03/2016 at 20:01
What do you think dea will average ?

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 20:54
Im scared for your Bombers team down back.

magpie4ver · 14/03/2016 at 21:33
I have Dea, M. Brown and Hartley in my D 4, 5, and 6 to……glad to see I'm not the only one not sure if I should but its hard not to based on rookies in the back field?
Side looks good Mate!

'Don't Blush Babbie' · 14/03/2016 at 21:36
Priddis in for Rocky, I like it, very consistent that man, always bangs out 100's plus

'Don't Blush Babbie' · 14/03/2016 at 21:39
How many do you believe are keepers ? 12 -13 ?

Benjamima Puddleduck · 14/03/2016 at 22:35
12 if you include JJ

Steeeve · 14/03/2016 at 22:21
Definitely put his hand up, still unlikely for round one at this stage. Proving he can make an impact up forward will have helped his cause. I'm thinking he might be on the bubble around round 8-12

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 19:07
Shaw or Goldy

abel · 14/03/2016 at 19:07
Ruck first for me, based on the limited number of high scoring rucks. Order will depend greatly on how each position is scored.

Phil · 14/03/2016 at 19:38
Try to get a good midfielder early, I'm talking Pendles, Ablett, Fyfe, Danger or Rocky. After them 5 don't bother getting another midfielder till your last pick cos there is so many of them.

Pete · 15/03/2016 at 23:20
My premiums that im starting with are:
DEF: Laird, R Murphy, Rich I believe will finish top 10 defenders
MID: Fyfe, Danger, Pendles, GAJ, Priddis, Rocky – Also have Libba, cannot count him as a premo, but just hoping he has a season like 2014 then he will be.
RUCK: Martin, Nit Nat
FWD: Barlow, I wouldn't consider Hall a Premo, but has the potential.
So that gives me 12 Premo's including Rich many will disagree but I'm positive he will play a shit load in the mid especially now with Beams injured.

Hawks · 14/03/2016 at 18:29
1816 projected 1st round, but don't really take much notice of it, rarely accurate.

I N Pieman · 14/03/2016 at 18:34
Projections are irelevant. They calculate rookie scores based on current price. So it's way out. Don't take any notice

Average Joe · 14/03/2016 at 20:32
People don't just play supercoach for fun. Who doesn't want to win some prizes, beat all your mates and try to be one of the best coaches in Australia (and the rest of the world)

Cookie Cutter · 14/03/2016 at 21:18
I'm pretty sure the main reason people play SuperCoach is because it's fun. Yes there's prizes involved, but you wont win many prizes if your team is identical to others. You have to take risks, find a couple unique players to put you ahead of the pack. Same goes with beating your mates. You won't be one of the best coaches in Australia if your team is just like the rest of Australia.

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 19:47
Agree Brett. With both Crouches and Libba in your mids it looks to midpriced
Wouldn't think Marcon will play early

Dean · 15/03/2016 at 23:27
I only count 9 solid Premo's, I would want 11 minimum. Can't class JJ, Crouch, S Gray & Hall as premo's even though they have the potential to be Premo's.
My premiums that im starting with are:
DEF: Laird, R Murphy, Rich I believe will finish top 10 defenders
MID: Fyfe, Danger, Pendles, GAJ, Priddis, Rocky – Also have Libba, cannot count him as a premo, but just hoping he has a season like 2014 then he will be.
RUCK: Martin, Nit Nat
FWD: Barlow, I wouldn't consider Hall a Premo, but has the potential.
So that gives me 12 Premo's including Rich many will disagree but I'm positive he will play a shit load in the mid especially now with Beams injured and be a top 10 defender come season end.

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 19:33
You mean the higginator? Here it is mate http://www.jockreynolds.com.au/2016/01/13/podcast…
(Scroll down a little bit)

papas pulsatators · 14/03/2016 at 19:48
thank you

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 19:27
Tough one! #2, but only just

Maggi · 14/03/2016 at 19:30
Thanks kev. Yer very tough decision.

Sarah · 14/03/2016 at 19:50
Shaw and Shiel

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 19:09
Yes. Him and Davis on my bench

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:32
Needs to get upgraded from the rookie list, only one spot left on their list so it is either Davis, Keough, or MacPherson

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 10:44
i just saw that, i'm keeping davis on bench and brought in Gore for now, who knows until teams are announced.

Maggi · 14/03/2016 at 20:01
Cripps

Average Joe · 14/03/2016 at 20:36
If your team looks like most others, go for Gaff, like him as a left field pick

Phil · 14/03/2016 at 21:22
Wines

Cookie Cutter · 14/03/2016 at 19:40
Gaff, Sam Mitchell, Miles. Pick someone you haven't seen in more than 2 teams in this comments section.

Kev · 14/03/2016 at 19:50
There's probably a dozen blokes you could make a case for. Do a bit of research mate and narrow it down a bit

dick Reynolds · 14/03/2016 at 21:10
hahaha jog on kent

George · 14/03/2016 at 19:45
He will be rested regularly throughout the season, but he does have a good goal sense and goals = points. If you are game and do take a punt, make sure you have decent bench coverage

CaPtKaOs · 14/03/2016 at 20:01
more likely to get rested by the mrp

Phil · 14/03/2016 at 21:18
I'd drop Oliver out of the 2. If Oliver is named Round 1 and Petracca and/or Brayshaw are not I'd be extremely nervous about his job security as both of these guys are older than him and higher draft picks. Mills I feel is best 22.
Not sure about the other 1 as Steele is the better player but is also more expensive. I have neither

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 20:45
bartel

K.Willy29 · 14/03/2016 at 20:52
yeah I'm looking at him as well as Birchall and Docherty, but idk which to go with
i was also thinking i could go cheaper to maybe Mckenzie and upgrade somwhere else maybe??

Swans2012 · 14/03/2016 at 21:52
Rich perhaps?

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 22:49
Ive got rich at D4 and really like him there. Beams out, Zorko to miss a few, rocky going forward, Rich will get good midfield time. Was at 17 centre bounces in NAB3
Sarah says he might get the tag!

azza · 14/03/2016 at 22:50
johanissen ?

hedski · 15/03/2016 at 00:08
Gov or Rampe

Phil · 14/03/2016 at 21:20
I like Danger, Priddis, Mills and Gresham if named.
I don't like the rest, although Treloar could be a nice one.

Swans2012 · 14/03/2016 at 21:59
Be careful of taking pods for the sake of having pods, plenty of time during the season to differentiate your team

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:35
Guthrie is going to be tagging again, Mundy won't average anywhere near what he did last year. The others could be good PODs though

Keenbutclueless · 14/03/2016 at 23:35
Robinson

Shake n bake · 15/03/2016 at 11:10
Gray

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 21:46
sam sits on the bench once the game has been won. Happened a lot last few years.

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:35
Too many better options that are cheaper

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 21:49
Leuy at R2 or F5?
Maybe at R2 with Grimley at R3

Swans2012 · 14/03/2016 at 22:02
I can't quite shake the thought of luenhamandeggenberger returning. I mean he's made of glass but if he happens to stay on the park is a clear number 1, but I don't think I've got the fortitude after the Bellchambers debacle last year.
I'll be taking a crouch brother, just not sure which

Phil · 14/03/2016 at 22:56
It would be F4 Derek, I'd be happy to have a few ruckmen at R2 so I can't fit him in there.
I'm hearing you about Bellchambers last year Swans and the thoughts crossed my mind, but I just think someone's gotta average well in that Essendon team even if they do struggle.

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 21:51
I only see 8 keepers. Unless we have 46 trades now I can't see you getting enough premiums into your team

Keenbutclueless · 14/03/2016 at 23:12
7 in Defence. Don't think Dawes is a ruck man? 3 rookies in Defence is a worry imo. Rest is solid. No Rocky is a bit of a growing trend. Personally I think that if we have doubts about Rocky, we should have the same with Ablett. Is older, has missed more games with injury in the last two years and hasn't really been discounted

sean · 14/03/2016 at 22:24
completely forgot my rucks – Golstein and Natinui

Keenbutclueless · 14/03/2016 at 23:05
I think 3 rooks in Defence is a worry. Consider dropping one of Sheil or Cripps and turning them into 2 mid pricers in Defence, or a decent D4 plus Dea/Weitering. Gresham or Menadue for your M8

Derek · 14/03/2016 at 21:53
Crows first 9 games are tough

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:36
Underrated POD. In my team but not sure why not in any others

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 14:52
Hey Ben,
Welcome. Ballsy team.
As you're well aware, that backline is skinny. No point having a guy like kerridge, who can score, sit on your bench. Mids are generally where the cash cows are, so you want to get some more cows in there.
Good luck for the season

Keenbutclueless · 14/03/2016 at 23:38
Coin toss. Maybe Menadue because he is second year, whilst Gresham is a first year

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:37
Menadue, will get games early on

Cozza · 14/03/2016 at 22:25
Assuming Ryder is Rocky??

Steeeve · 15/03/2016 at 08:37
Haha yep either auto correct or just too tired

Keenbutclueless · 14/03/2016 at 22:48
hi Derek. Maybe head and gut are both correct. Consider Hanners and Danger? I am seriously considering Hanners for Ablett. I am worried about having two of my top 4 midfielders under injury cloud. At least Rockliff is discounted, and there is plenty around his price to choose from.

magpie4ver · 14/03/2016 at 23:54
I say Rocky? I don't like hearing Rocky has hammie issue and its happen 3 times in preseason and we are hearing about it now? If he comes up lame during a game he will most likely be out for 3 weeks or longer? I'm also considering culling Abs to…….maybe??? Not sure why people wanna cull Pendels reliable and consistent!

hedski · 15/03/2016 at 00:19
I cannot bring myself to put gaz or rocky back in after I fiddled round a bit other day. Just doesn't feel right which is weird when you think about it. Bloody gaz and rocky? !?!

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:53
You can afford to have Dangerfield out, he will fall below $600k when you need to upgrade. Besides, no one knows how he will go with Selwood in the midfield

Grahame Lebroy · 15/03/2016 at 11:25
I'd leave Pendles out this year Derek, even though his output SC wise has been outstanding for years now. Just think the pies midfield is deeper than ever with the likes of Adams, Treloar, Sidebottom, Crisp etc coming through and this might decrease Pendles scores this year

Marco_Polo94 · 15/03/2016 at 12:02
I dislike selecting premium players who haven't had a full pre season, or had one with any injury concerns.. so as it stands atm I don't have Rocky or Ablett. This could very well change by R1 when Ablett is named as I fear the backlash of not selecting him, but I suppose last year has shaken my resolve a bit. I agree you need Danger in, Geelong look like serious flag contenders and I see Danger only improving on last season. No correct answer for your question, much like selecting the right rookies, knowing which premiums to select is a coin toss sometimes. So i guess go with your gut!

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 14:56
I went without Ablett last year and while it was a different senario, I was happy in the end. I did get thumped by injuries to other mids, but that's another story.

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 14:56
First year in SC, I've gone without Penddles. Welcome to Bling Hoodie FC, Mr Danger.

Redgumwon · 15/03/2016 at 15:11
Hi Derek I'd be leaving out Pendle and pick him up later. He could end up playing anywhere filling holes for Collingwood after watching him in the NAB games.

magpie4ver · 14/03/2016 at 23:56
shiel

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:51
Shiel, more likely to do better than last year

DadSmasher · 15/03/2016 at 11:04
Cripps he's a class above Shiel and doesn't get injured every second week

magpie4ver · 14/03/2016 at 23:57
I wouldnt he's my F4

Jonathon · 15/03/2016 at 01:41
right now im going super cheap in my forward line with de goey at F2 and wells F3
Originally i had wells at F4 myslef but just not confident in the forward premos this year; only Barlow is a lock imo

Maggi · 14/03/2016 at 23:54
B crouch

magpie4ver · 14/03/2016 at 23:57
de goey

Leeds17 · 15/03/2016 at 06:11
Scoring wise Crouch is the safe option

Mighty_Hondo · 22/03/2016 at 00:00
you can copy the data to a new spreadsheet and that allows you to sort.

Danners · 15/03/2016 at 10:51
Naitanui and Fyfe

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 14:58
I know this is not going to help, but I have all 4 in my side.
I'd go option 2 if its a "gun to my head" senario.

Greg · 15/03/2016 at 16:25
Thanks for the opinions.
I am currently running with option one as I think Goldy and Fyfe will score about the same but Rockliff has a greater upside that Naitanui but the niggling doubts about Rockliff's fitness has me re-assessing and now my head is just spinning.
I worryl it will be like being at airport customs where you always pick the wrong queue.

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 09:17
my theory is that your starting team is made up of keepers and cash-generators.
the keepers are the top 8 in each line (not top 15). the ones that you are happy to have all year. Sarah makes a great point, too many people judge the top 8 on their "average" without looking at their overall score that takes into account how many games they play.
the cash-generators are the rest. their only purpose is to increase in value.
The faster you can make cash, the quicker you get to full premium and the more points you will score sooner.
So when you look at a non-keeper, you have to ask "how much cash will he make and how quick will he do it?" This is where a good understanding of how a players price will increase helps. Factors include who they are playing (Port, Melb, gcs, geelong, norf all have good starts to the season), their current price and their rolling 3 game average. Study this and you will be able to predict how much a player will increase.
people worry about the early scoring of their players. if your players are making money, the score will look after itself, over time, especially the second half of the year, if you have good team value and mostly premiums you will soon catch up to those teams that havn't been able to reach the full premium.
last year i was ranked 19,000th after 5 rounds and finished up 76th.
Is Sam Gray and DeGoey keepers? If not, how much cash will they make and when will they peak?

Cozza · 15/03/2016 at 09:56
Absolutely agree Derek. I think too many teams are getting sucked into the mid-range players thinking they are cheap for their potential point generation. That is all well and good, but only helps in the short term. These guys may only generate $100k or so over the year, which means you need more trades to get to a full premo team.
I'm one who's toyed with players like Yeo, Rosa, Hall (still in my team), Sheridan, Menzel, McKenzie, BCrouch, etc. I doubt any of these players will be top 10-15 in their respective lines, so why pick them up? I'm thinking a max of 2, possibly 3 of these players to try and pick the 'breakout' player, but it won't happen for all of them. The rest for me will be pure guns and rookies. As you say, it will probably affect scoring early in the game, but I should get to full premo a lot quicker and not run out of trades as early as I have in previous years.

Cozza · 15/03/2016 at 10:03
One counter argument to the comment that you need more trades to get to a full premo team is that is should be easier to get to premo because it costs less to upgrade someone who is $400k-500k than it is to upgrade a $250k – $400k player. That is true, but if you are starting with premo/rookie strategy, you will have less upgrades to do over the year. If you are starting with 14 genuine keepers, you only need to upgrade 8 rookies – should be able to do that in 16-20 trades if you pick your rookies right.

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 10:04
what does your team look like Cozza?

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 10:10
my structure i'm allowing 1 mid-pricer on each line.
i'm going with Wells, Libba, Rich & Lobbe as my only mid-pricers. They all have their risks, especially Lobbe, but they all have some cash to be made.
Even if Lobbe doesn't make much cash, i think Goldy might drop in price a bit so it is the same as Lobbe increasing. sort of. maybe.

Dan · 15/03/2016 at 14:56
I think Crouch will come very close this year. He's a gun ready to fire in a Crows midfield without Dangermouse.

Holty · 15/03/2016 at 10:07
if this is where he plays this year, it will affect his scoring output. Collingwoods midfield is strong this year but would hate to think that they sacrifice their best midfielder to play this role.

Marco_Polo94 · 15/03/2016 at 12:04
Don't read too much into nab is my tip, he will still be collingwood's number 1 scorer.

Swans2012 · 15/03/2016 at 12:39
Agreed, it's nab, trade after round 2 if still playing ridiculous half back style role

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 15:05
Hanners

Swans2012 · 15/03/2016 at 12:37
Dusty Barlow wingard Dahl Montagna

Big G · 15/03/2016 at 13:01
you don't rate joey?

Swans2012 · 15/03/2016 at 15:42
Burnt me badly 2014 when he started on fire then didn't fire a shot for the rest of the season. Tooth length concerning and Fully priced for mine. Almost guarantee he'll be well cheaper at some point. May be top 6 but certainly not high on my hit list.

Mighty_Hondo · 22/03/2016 at 00:01
Ditto!

Swans2012 · 15/03/2016 at 12:32
Hes a wait and see for mine, for all the reasons you mentioned.

Swans2012 · 15/03/2016 at 12:33
Dea, cheaper, more potential to score, lesser chance of being rested, but it's close

Swans2012 · 15/03/2016 at 12:36
Not particularly keen on smith or Simpson derek so that is corrupting my decision. But I'd give it to smith and shaw still just. Prefer rich or even a lonergan/Sheridan to smith though until we see how his position settles

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 12:59
thanks swans, i think you are right, neither Smith or Simpson gets me to excited. Currently have Shaw, Laird, Bartel, Rich, Brown & Collins.
just looking at combinations to get Weitering or Dea at D5

Brook · 15/03/2016 at 13:05
hi Derek … I have been thinking about the same dilemma … basically, I have around $1m to spend on D1 & D3. There are some D3 options (Rich, JJ, Smith) but all have risk. I am tempted to lock in two 500k players (along with laird) and try to pick up shaw later. The 600k price tag means u have to compromise elsewhere.

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 15:09
I don't mind Simpson, he's consistent and durable. I'd go for him and laird over b smith and shaw.

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 15:20
i had Simpson from start to finish last year. Was ok.

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 15:51
He's the modern (just) day Enright. Durable and will give you 90s. Nothing fancy.

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 17:32
i think i need to have keeper at D3. If i start with Shaw, that means i have Smith & rich at D3&D4. not sure they are keeper material.

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 17:47
I agree, I generally have a keeper at D3, but I have the Gov in there at the moment. I'm not totally sold on him. Defense will be tricky this year. Smith may be a keeper. If he can remain injury free and get back to his 2014 AA level, he'll definaely be a keeper.

brook · 15/03/2016 at 19:06
I generally think of D3 as speculative keeper … someone a bit cheaper who may end up a keeper, eg. newnes from last year. same goes for M5, R2 and F3. If I get 2 out of 4 I am happy. currently have rich, parker, gawn and ahall in those positions. I define keeper as number of positions on field x 1.5, eg top 12 mid, top 9 def

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 13:05
i would say JPK. but i wouldn't be surprised to see Gray do just as well if not better to start the year as Port have a very good draw.
I still have JPK in the top 10 with gray in the next group.
JPK wins so much contested ball, his Supercoach numbers are always very good.

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 15:09
Agree. JPK

Steeeve · 15/03/2016 at 14:17
I'm wondering the same thing but can also afford Pendles. At this stage I'm going Gray. Port has a soft draw early, and last year Kennedy was poor until halfway through when some people got him bargain basement and he went ballistic. I'm hoping to get him cheap later this year.

hedski · 15/03/2016 at 13:20
Yeah matt it's dilemma! !
Sry mate. Gawn and Ward for mine. Cheers.

TRIGGER HAPPY · 15/03/2016 at 14:02
Gawn and sheil

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 15:10
Option 1

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 13:02
Zorko is a tough one now he has been given a week off.

Kev · 15/03/2016 at 16:55
Looks good Pete, I'd be happy with this team going into round 1. No Libba though?
Agree with you on Dusty being a POD now, alarming how many jumped off him after the weekend.

Pete · 15/03/2016 at 23:03
Thanks for the words mate. My thinking is Mills will make more cash and wont average to much less than Libba. I also dont think Libba will be a keeper so i would have to trade him anyway. Thats my thinking Kev

'Don't Blush Babbie' · 15/03/2016 at 14:23
I think we all have that problem atm, Kev,Yes your right it might come down to your gut instinct. Menadue & Milera aren't guaranteed spots yet which may help but that will only give us another problem of who to replace them with.Good Luck

kevwal · 15/03/2016 at 14:35
Thanks for that. Rd1 and gut instinct. Hope I can stand the wait.

Kev · 15/03/2016 at 16:51
Always the way, kevwal. You'll have a bloke on the bench pump out a 100 and your "guy instinct" on the ground score 40.

Northernsoul74 · 15/03/2016 at 15:51
That is the $50k question. Looking very short on reliable rookies.

Kev · 15/03/2016 at 16:49
Hoping for a few rookie upgrades. Even then, not super reliable

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 16:15
he will be a massive POD now.

FootyFanatic · 15/03/2016 at 16:32
That makes him even more appealing to me, I'm just worried though about the points I'd miss out on having a $500,000+ player on the bench for a week

Uncle Chop, Chop · 15/03/2016 at 16:38
with a good bench replacement, probably about 30-50.

@grayson_lowee · 15/03/2016 at 16:39
I quite like it, mostly because of how different it is to most peoples, lots of POD's here, although i think you have one too many midpricers, look at downgrading de goey and possibly upgrading one of your defenders.

Big G · 15/03/2016 at 16:36
With Maric and Hampson, do you really think he will get a game?

Kev · 15/03/2016 at 16:46
Loophole, Big G. Steve is saying you won't be able to use Chol as captains loophole on Friday night Richmond games

Big G · 16/03/2016 at 10:12
Yes, I understood – my point is that the likelihood of him playing is very low anyway. So I wouldn't worry about it.

Mighty_Hondo · 21/03/2016 at 02:23
G, I think the point iS that you will not be able to move him after Friday which is not goo for loophole…,pretty sure that's it…;)

neil · 15/03/2016 at 17:18
same problem lowee .I reluctantly dumped himfor dusty..Itoo have kennedy and thought the same but with petracca not playing kennedy was the one.I think you would lose 30 tooo much good luck

@grayson_lowee · 15/03/2016 at 18:54
Thanks Neil, glad to know im not the only one with this issue.

Jess · 15/03/2016 at 17:15
In fact, he averaged 112 for the last 11 games of the season, which includes a whooping score of 170 and a low one of 50. Since one of the key reasons for his low scores was having the tag, I'm more than excited of what he could produce without as much attention.

Mighty_Hondo · 22/03/2016 at 00:05
he's in my team…some concern about the foot, but got to take some chances in this game…all the best!

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 17:26
he is still in my top 8 midfielders and usually at his price he would have been locked into my team. His injury is a worry and therefore i was thinking he might be a wait and see.

Holty · 15/03/2016 at 17:29
Agree Jess.
He has been in my side since the beginning. This will all depend if he lines up round 1 obviously.
People are reluctant as they think he will miss games due to injuries. I think all you need to do is look back over his career. He doesnt miss many games and he more often then not plays through niggles.

Derek · 15/03/2016 at 17:24
they shouldn't be regarded as keepers. they won't be bad options to have in your team for most of the year though and upgrade as one of the later ones if you still have coin and trades.

Liam · 15/03/2016 at 17:58
Hall should still make some money anyway as well as get some great scores.

Shake n bake · 15/03/2016 at 17:25
I have both in my side. I only have them because I'm hopeing there keepers if you don't think they are, look for someone else.

Holty · 15/03/2016 at 17:26
Hi Liam
Dont select them unless you see them as keepers. Im starting Hall as I think he will do enough to warrent being a keeper.

Liam · 15/03/2016 at 17:57
I think Hall will do enough to be a F6 keeper, but i'm not sure.

Wattsieesq · 15/03/2016 at 17:52
I don't think Hall will be a keeper. When JOM, Presita, Gaz, Swallow et al return, his mid time and sc output will decrease.

Liam · 15/03/2016 at 17:57
i'm thinking the same, but not sure.

Holty · 15/03/2016 at 18:57
thats the big question. when they return? last year i wouldnt touch him but with the restrictions of the interchance cap this year, all mids will be rotated. I think Hall will still play good time in the middle irrelevant.

Mighty_Hondo · 22/03/2016 at 00:06
u can copy the data to another spreadsheet to sort the data…;)