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NAB ANALYSIS: Sydney v GWS

Published by Barron Von Crow on

Barron Von CrowSwans VS Giants! It’s the battle of the footy teams most of New South Wales don’t give a toss about!

But while most NSW may be have been off watching the Canterbury Bulldogs whoop the Sea Eagles (I must admit though, I don’t know what actually constitutes a “whooping” in NRL), or the West Sydney Wanderers blow a game in 5 minutes against Brisbane, I know the Jock Reynolds Community will all have had their eyes keenly glued to this game.

 It was the 2nd pre-season game for both sides and was probably two of the stronger sides that have taken the field during the NAB Challenge, with the majority of available first choice players out on the field. A welcome change for sure! I know that most people say that the Swans don’t particularly care about NAB for, I’m sure the Giants would be very pleased with a solid win against a good side as they look to make the finals for the first time in 2016.

Absent Best 22

Sydney: Jarrad McVeigh, Ted Richards, Gary Rohan, Ben McGlynn, Sam Reid

GWS: Devon Smith, Stephen Coniglio, Johnathan Patton

GWS came to play; only dropping 3 first up players, while mostly the same as last week missed for the Swans, with Co-Captain Kieran Jack returning to play his first NAB game of the year. Jacob Hopper, a popular Supercoach choice to begin with was dropped after a disappointing first hitout, as was fellow draftee Matthew Kennedy, along with other rookie priced player Jarred Garlett for the Giants.

 Injuries

Sydney: Michael Talia (hip pointer)
GWS:
Shane Mumford (ankle, though the GWS Twitter says it was just precautionary) 

Sydney Performances

Callum Mills ($211,800, MID): Ran with Rhys Palmer in the first half and only had 3 touches, but managed 5 tackles to go along with it. More ball in the 2nd half, and had 13 touches and 4 marks for the game. Another solid effort for the young kid.

Luke Parker ($538,200, MID): Running in the middle and had 14 first half touches, but 10 were handballs and his DE was only 57%. Also had 3 clearances. Led the Swans for disposals with 28, and had 7 marks, 5 clearances, 2 rebound 50’s and 6 inside 50’s. Will be a very popular Supercoach pick this year.

Lance Franklin ($470,100, FWD): Looking a bit lackadaisical again, but got going a bit in the middle and up forward late in the 2nd quarter, kicking a goal and setting up Hannebery with another. Franklin had 14 disposals, but just 57% DE. I’m not sure if the extra midfield time is all it’s cracked up to be for Franklin, but once again, he never looks to be busting a gut during the NAB games.

Daniel Hannebery ($617,900, MID): Mostly on the outside, with 11 first half touches, 9 being uncontested. Finished with 20 touches and 13 uncontested possessions and a goal. OK game, but I reckon most will go with JPK or Parker ahead of him.

Josh P. Kennedy ($594,800, MID): Kicked the first goal of the game and was busy around the stoppages early. Slowed down as the 2nd quarter completed, recording 9 touches and 3 clearances in the first half. Finished with 15 touches and 5 clearances.

Tom Mitchell ($563,700, MID): Getting a go in the midfield, but being a bit sloppy. 8 touches, but only 37% DE, along with 5 clangers in the first half. Better in the 2nd half with 21 touches, 5 clearances, 6 rebound 50’s, 5 inside 50’s and 6 tackles, but only got his DE up to 52%. If his disposal was a bit better then I reckon everyone would be on him in a flash.

Kieran Jack ($531,500, MID): First game back was OK, with 17 disposals, but only 58% DE. Also had 5 clearances and 7 tackles. Another that may just be a CoachKings option.

Kurt Tippett ($483,800, RUC/FWD): Began the game in the ruck against Mumford and looked to have a bit of trouble early against the bigger Mumford, giving away 2 holding frees in the first quarter. Finished the first half with only 3 possessions and 11 hitouts. Spent some more time forward in the 2nd half, but had 31 hitouts, but only 7 touches for the game.

Dean Rampe ($457,900, DEF): 6 first half touches and 3 rebound 50’s and had 13 touches for the game. Still worried he might be made to be a bit too accountable for his man to be a really good pick down back. Sat on Cameron for large chunks of the game, but that could change once someone like Ted Richards returns.

Callum Sinclair ($409,500, RUC/FWD): Started forward, but switched into the ruck in the 2nd half, but he was going against Lobb and Tomlinson, rather than Mumford like Tippett was. He had 14 touches and 15 hitouts for 122 Supercoach Points. A very good game, but must take into account the lack of Mumford for most of it.

Michael Talia ($390,100, DEF): Played deep in defence in the first half for 5 disposals. Went off late in the game with a hip injury and had 12 touches. Not at his price.

Toby Nankervis ($226,600, RUC/FWD): Didn’t see him, but he apparently touches the ball a couple of times.

Jordan Dawson ($117,300, FWD): Kicked a great supergoal in the 3rd quarter, but only had 3 touches.

Dean Towers ($259,900, FWD): 7 first half touches, but only 29% DE. Finished with 16 touches and 4 clearances, but had 6 clangers and only 37% DE. Still, he was getting plenty of it, and had a decent NAB 1 effort too. Interesting for sure, but not likely.

Zak Jones ($256,600, DEF): Across half back and had 4 touches, 2 rebound 50’s and 3 tackles in the first half and finished with 10 for the game.

Nic Newman ($117,300, DEF): 6 touches and 2 rebound 50’s. Had a very good year in the NEAFL, but and will certainly push for selection, but we’ll have to wait and see if he makes our benches or not.

Tom Papley ($109,900, FWD): Sat on Heath Shaw early, but kicked 2 good goals in the last quarter to finish with 6 disposals, 5 tackles and 2 goals.

GWS Performances

Shane Mumford ($570,500, RUC): Looked like his usual self, which is a good thing to see. Went head to head with Tippett in the ruck in the 1st quarter and sat out the rest of the game with his ankle issue flaring up again. Assume it’s just GWS being extra careful to make sure he’s OK for Round 1.

Dylan Shiel ($554,600, MID): Got a fair bit of it in the first half with 11 touches and used the ball very well. He had 22 touches, at 91% efficiency, though 16 of them were uncontested. Also kicked 1.1 and had 4 tackles. Looks so at ease with the ball in his hands.

Heath Shaw ($607,800, DEF): GWS looked to be getting the ball in his hands in the back half. Super busy in the 1st quarter with 9 touches (8 being kicks), 3 rebound 50’s and 2 inside 50’s. Finished the game with 29 touches, 24 of which were kicks, along with 10 rebound 50’s for 143 Supercoach Points. I know he costs a lot, and I also know you’ll potentially get him cheaper later in the year, but he’s certainly not showing any signs that he won’t be the #1 man in defence again in Supercoach.

Callan Ward ($573,900, MID): Matching JPK for work in the middle and around the stoppages early with 8 disposals and 3 clearances in the 1st quarter. A very nice game for Ward in the end, with 22 touches, 14 contested possessions and 11 clearances, along with 8 tackles and 4 inside 50’s. An underrated POD, he averaged 113 in Supercoach in 2014, he could do hit that or better again with Treloar gone.

Ryan Griffen ($489,500, MID): Found plenty of it early, with 8 touches and 3 inside 50’s in the 1st quarter and 13 in the half. 18 touches and 4 inside 50’s, and kicked 1.1 for the game. Looks fit and firing and while I wouldn’t recommend him for Supercoach, he’s the sort of guy you could easily pick for CoachKings.

Toby Greene ($446,900, MID/FWD): Was floating around a bit to start the game. Set shot kicking doesn’t look like it’s improved much, missing a reasonable easy shot on goal in the 1st quarter. Had 11 touches in the first half, with 7 being contested, along with 5 tackles and 1.1. Gave goal assists to Kelly and Shiel. He had 19 touches, 2 clearances, 8 tackles and kicked 1.1 for the game. If tonight is anything to go by I wouldn’t hesitate to pick him in either Supercoach or CoachKings

Steven Johnson ($457,000, FWD): Quiet to begin with, but kicked a goal from a perfectly weighted kick inside 50 from Heath Shaw. Overall, his first game for GWS was quite good, kicking 3.1 and had 17 touches, along with 4 inside 50’s. Not one I’d touch in Supercoach, but CoachKings he could be a good play if he happens to have an insane game and will add another dimension to the GWS forward line.

Jeremy Cameron ($402,300, FWD): Not much going on at all today with only 4 touches. He’ll likely just be a CoachKings selection only.

Jack Steele ($312,200, MID/FWD): Matched up with JPK early, but not much going on in the first half. Got a bit more involved in the midfield as the game progressed and finished with 15 touches, 6 clearances 4 rebound 50’s and 5 inside 50’s. He’s interesting, falls into a dangerous mid-priced category, but does a bit of everything around the ground.

Nathan Wilson ($277,700, DEF): Played halfback and had 16 touches, with 13 of them being kicks. Also had 3 rebound 50’s and 2 tackles. I still like this kid, but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to work him in at his price.

Rory Lobb ($335,800, RUC/FWD): Had a fair chunk of ruck work once Mumford went off, but just had 11 hitouts and 7 disposals.

Caleb March bank ($215,800, DEF): Deep in defence and had 9 first half disposals. 12 disposals for the game, but only 50% DE would be a concern. There will likely be better rookie priced options down back.

Josh Kelly ($381,000, MID): Another GWS Giant who likes the outside, with 16 disposals, but only 3 contested. That’s what he’s there for though. Not

Zac Williams ($375,500, DEF): Looks to be Shaw’s lieutenant down back. He had 9 first half disposals, but 7 handballs in there and finished with 14 touches. Another one who’s at an awkward price to fit into our teams.

So Community, who did you really like tonight? And was there anyone who made you go “holy moly, what was I thinking there?” Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.


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SC_Beast

Great write up Barron!

Think Shaw is a lock.

Derek, if you read this, would you remind posting your stats about which teams players we should be targeting at the start of the year again? I can't find it. It had something to do with each clubs fixture I believe?

magpie4ver

Shaw hasnt been in my team so far yet But I think you are right……even at his price and I dont want to pay that much but he will be consistant @ 100 plus a game as a defender. I watched him and he is a true leader in the back field….the man can play! Might be on my side come round 1…..although I hate paying that much but he could be very well worth it and a keeper for sure!

derek

I spent the weekend doing a Team tracker spreadsheet, for the first 10 weeks at least. By week 10, most teams will be close to set.

I took into consideration, home or away, interstate travel, where opposition finished on ladder last year, Teams with only 5 day breaks, Corresponding game result last year, and also factored in where i think they will finish this year and came up with a game ranking out of a possible 10. (although there was 1 game where where a team scored 11/10).

A high ranking will indicate a high likelihood of victory. How this converts to Supercoach points will depend on the each team, but it is a good starting point.

I can't post the spreadsheet, but i will tray and show the results below.

There were some significant findings………vv

Each Game max points is 10 (although there is no certainly in football).

I will show first, each team's score for the whole 10 games (Score will be out of 100), ranked in order.

I will then break this into the first 5 games and the second 5 games. I thought this would be significant to indicate possible cash-cows and good times to buy and sell certain players.

TOTAL/100

POR 70
GEE 67
HAW 64
NOR 63
WBD 63
MEL 61
SWA 60
FRE 60
RIC 59
WCE 58
GCS 56
GWS 55
COL 55
STK 54
BRI 49
CAR 49
ESS 48
ADE 48

derek

Split into the first 5 weeks, results were

FIRST 5 WEEKS/50

POR 39
WBD 35
HAW 34
NOR 33
GCS 33
SWA 33
RIC 32
GEE 31
COL 29
MEL 28
FRE 28
GWS 28
STK 26
ESS 25
WCE 23
ADE 20
CAR 19
BRI 19

derek

Weeks 6-10, results were as follows:

SECOND 5 WEEKS/50

GEE 36
WCE 35
MEL 33
FRE 32
POR 31
NOR 30
HAW 30
CAR 30
BRI 30
WBD 28
STK 28
ADE 28
RIC 27
SWA 27
GWS 27
COL 26
GCS 23
ESS 23

SC_Beast

Thanks very much derek

Ren

So what are people going to do with Greene?

Yes or No?

Keano96

I think Yes, between him and Zach Merret for me

Nathan

Im with you

Danners

See how he goes in the last game of NAB challenge

Mda

As a forward option he's a must have !

Mister_Spock

Between Greene and Hall for mine. Can't decide at the moment

Dan

haha same!!

Matt

I have Hall just ahead of Greene personally, but I might even try and slot both of them in

magpie4ver

I'm wondering the same thing? Its between Hall and Greene….But I'm leaning towards Hall! Might take Greene as well depends?

Sabsy

Hall will have a good run early while Jaeger-Bomb and Swallow are on the sidelines — but what impact will their return have on his scoring potential? $428K is far too much for a stepping stone so Hall would have to be a keeper for me personally to start him.

Mitch

What about a left of field option and go Stringer?

Phil

Or even further left and Bird?

Mighty_Hondo

Is anyone thinking Mitch Robinson up front. Had a good finish to last year.

@randomcliche

a few are but not yours truely.

Kevin Skywalker

I have Lynch (Ade) there at F3. Another strong showing by Greene and he will be brought in as he's cheaper and DPP

BigHaydos

Callan Ward, what a beautiful man, modern day Hercules, got that Thor look about him. He is in for a giant year.

hedeski

All over spitta Greene as F3. Great write up baron.
Giants will live up to their name soon.

hedeski

Yep agree on stevie wish he was still in the hoops this year but lists must change.

Ben

Sheil looked really good tonight, strong, fit and dominant.
He is edging onto my watchlist.
What rookies in the mid and fwd are people picking currently because im struggling.

Ben

Cherrs baz,
No parish?
I know he is an elevated price but the kid is a deadset gun.

Northerner

Barron, for same price as Mills you get Parish who will run on ball all year. Mills is a jet but will play an accountable role for too much of games is my concern

Gaveday

Nice work. Had Sinclair in my team since doors opened, swans churn out great turncoats. Was going R1 Sinclair then leu r2. But y'know… Sinclair nice r2 Nic nat or Gawn for R1. Currently the latter based on the Dee's assertion they'll go hard early in the season.

Parker. Man. I can't decide.

Gaveday

Sinclair nice r2 ? Easy on the sherberts tiger!

@rileyflanigan24

Really wanted Shaw to have a shit preseason to partially save the headache of picking a backline! All of a sudden thinking he may have to be a lock!

Jock

Bloody great write up as always Barron.. Nathan Wilson looks a real player. Pity about that elevated price tag

MOC

Have had ward in and out of my team all pre season, but this has now firmly placed him as M3

MOC

He is so consistent and I believe will thrive with the added responsibility of Treloar not being there. 110+ year. Great write up btw.

MOC

He also fits in nicely with the rd15 bye

Chuck

How did Heeney go?

Danners

Great stuff BVC! I thought L.Parker just may be my POD for this season, but unfortunately I can see a lot of hesitant people do Rockliff to Parker. Greene did impress having only 75% on ground seems likely now that he will take Treloar's midfield spot

@OldCampaignerSC

Loved Parker despite low DE.Shiel looks like going big this season.half tempted to drop Pendles for him..tough call..and yeah, Shaw looks almost worth every cent..

@OldCampaignerSC

upgrades Langdon or a rough D3 guy im having trouble with to Heath Shaw

Dave

All over Sheil this year
Get on board.

Paul

I had him in straight up, but I figured out a way to turn him into Nat Fyfe, so there went that haha

Apu

anyone have scores for tonight?

Apu

Legend!

Mister_Spock

Trying to pick a mid-priced forward out of:

1. Greene
2. Hall
3. Le Cras
4. Stringer

(.,..or a smokey in Ruc/Fwd Sinclair?)

tophawk

Stringer, but Greene now on the radar.

magpie4ver

I have Hall and greene as of now

Jack

Greene! The other 3 i wouldn't consider, Greene i'm thinking about

Jordan

Who are the top 3 rookie/cheap defenders for 230k or less?

Wes

Anyone have predictions for McGregor v Diaz?
I think Nate by split decision

Aaron

McGregor 2nd round TKO

Hazey

This is on Sunday AM yeah?

Phil

Conor will knock him out 1st Round, he said so and he's always right on these hints somehow….Left hand punch

Phil

*things not hints

Dice

As long as it takes longer than 13 seconds.
$50 for the pay per view – $3.85 per second…..worth it though!

Tom

Is going in with pendles, gaz, Fyfe and danger too much? Should I be downgrading one to someone who shows value like Shiel or Parker?

Jack

If you think Shiel or Parker would be thereabouts for a top 8 mid, go for it! I'd be more inclined to keep Fyfe and Danger and downgrade one of Pendles or Ablett

Sana

Danger is no certainty for top 8 mid imo. New team, new situation. Only avged 105 in 2014

Paul

Going to have to see Jakey Stringer again before deciding on F3. He and Greene are fighting it out. I know Stringer is probably going to be a bit more hit and miss, but he's going to have huge games….

Max

Well played Barron. Astute judgement of the performances of both sides.

If I may throw this out to the community, I've made a couple of changes based on what I saw tonight – notably the inclusion of Greene and Shaw.

DEF: shaw laird johannisen suckling bonner adamson (s Collins, k Collins)

MID: Fyfe danger Ablett Shiel rocky Parker libba menadue (kerridge petracca hibberd)

RUC: Martin NicNat (Currie)

FWD: Barlow Greene Anderson o'brien kommer (m brown m Adams)

tophawk

Hi Max, in my view you are way too $ light in your forward line and far too $ top heavy at the back.

Everything in between looks good.

Just my take.

Cheers

Soothsayer

Suckling can switch down into the forward line too. i like him at a new club and I am wondering if he can be the 90-100 player he has been. I have Barlow -Greene-Suckling-Milera-Cockatoo-Kerridge (Grimley, McDonald-somethingorother)

tophawk

Hi community,

After tonight's and last night's NAB challenge matches, my hand has been forced to make some minor adjustments to my side.

Def- Shaw, Laird, McGovern, Weitering, Brown (Ess), Hartley (Byrne-Jones, K.Collins)

Mid- Fyfe, Dangerfield, Ablett, Rockliff, Parker, Liberatore, Mills, Parish (Gresham, Mathieson, MacPherson)

Ruc: Naitanui, Gawn (Grimley)

Fwd- D.Martin, Barlow, Stringer, D.Menzel, Milera, Kerridge (L.Mc Carthy, Petracca)

22K in the piggy bank.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Paul

Midfield is super strong. Good for early points, but will it be good for price increases? Always harder to get good rookie turnover in defence in particular….

RobDogs

Very similar team to mine, so can't fault it lol.

Only comment would be Weitering, Mills and Parish? All high priced and so won't generate as much cash imo. I have one of them and have had the other two in and out, but will go for cheaper options in rookies to aim for bigger cash input and give you nearly $200k to play with now.

Remember, we have B Crouch, OMeara, Otten etc to come in during the first 2-6 rounds so can make some early cash and incremental upgrades.

Bye rounds are later this year too which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere, so trading strategies a bit different this season.

@emhoy

I disagree about the 200K players I have 4 the reason I have them is they will score well and still generate you cash. Where are the 123K and less mids and forwards I would rather have some 200K players and know they are going to play every week and score.

Saundo

I like it and makes sense

Tickles

Dangerfield or Gray? Who's the man out of these two studs this season? I missed Danger early last year and it cost me, but for consistency of the past 3 i think gray has been better. It keeps me up late at nights wondering which one comes for the ride in my first team… Thoughts??

Aaron

Danger easy, will explode this year

Rhythm is a Panther

Without the DPP I may stay away from Gray all together.

Thom

Peoples opinions of Gray's SuperCoach ability are misguided due to his previous dpp status. He is a monster and a lock. Will only go bigger this year

Mike

Great write-up there. Shaw goes back in my side on this. Greene stays out for me based on his propensity to get 28 possessions and 85 supercoach points or similar.
Gee GWS are looking good for this year if Mumford stays out there they are in the 8 for sure. Even without him they’ll go close.

Not many forward or mid rookies looking the goods really. Other than the ones we have on field such as Kerridge, Petraca, Mills and Parish. Two Meter Peter might be an option even though not cheap, but I don’t want to go into the season with he and Grimley on the bench up forward.

Rhythm is a Panther

Is T Greene at F2 a bit too skinny?

Rhythm is a Panther

Have managed to get libba out to M7 to cover though.

Tickles

Same both.

Tickles

Whats your BACK LINE and RUCK set up look like?

Rhythm is a Panther

Hey tickles my squad is

Shaw Laird Simpson
Brown (Ess) Hartley Broad
Tucker K Collins

Fyfe Dangerfield Ablett Ward
Rockliff Parker Libba Kerridge
Gresham Gore Mathison

Goldy Martin Cox

Martin Greene Ellis
Kennedy McCarthy (Geel) Petracca
Grimley McDonald-Tipung

Rooks obviously subject to change
$18.9k

Thoughts and advice much appreciated

Brett

Rhythm – really like your team. It is a very similar structure to mine at the moment (cheap fwd and def lines).

Cheap forward rooks are clearly a bit of an issue at the moment – there seems to be a lot of value around $150K – $245K in the forward line, but who wants to have $150k / $180K players sitting on the bench???

McD-Tip might have to sit on the forward bench – as it looks like he might be half a chance at playing round 1.

But then we need another DEF rookie? Don't think Tucker will play for Fremantle though – Lyon really likes to make them earn it, and he had a slight injury problem recently. Hibberd / Bonner / Byrne all probably not ready yet.

Hence people are thinking of guys like Sheridan at D4.

Sounds like it is going to be the year to really load up in the MIDS and RUCKS – and go really light in DEF and FWDS.

Just need a couple more bottom rooks to show up soon!!

Brett

bottom priced rooks #

vchap

Dalhous + bartel

Or

Greene + shaw

Pete

Fyfe and KK

Or

Shiel and Heath shaw?

simon

Buddy, Greene. Stringer or lecras

Vinny

In my preferred order, Greene because probably most consistent and seen as the one to really break out back into the midfield more. Secondly, Buddy, but only just. Only because I can see stringer playing to deep forward throughout the year with minimal dispoals and with Buddy playing up the ground he'll most likely get it more, however I could be wrong. Lastly Lecras because he is just too injury prone.
Hope it helps. Vinny.

Mike

It’s very hard to judge Buddy, he’s done nothing in the two games so far – so that’s a concern. Though both games the reviews have indicated he’s just been out for a jog. Risky pick imho. Hope I am wrong though as just got my Swans membership based on a feeling Hawks and Freo on the wane. This could be our year if Buddy fires again. An all Sydney GF looms. 🙂

Swansong

Thoughts on my team
Back. Shaw laird sheridan weitering Hatley brown
Collins tucker
Mids fyfe Daingerfield ablett rockliff libba Mills parish petracca Adamson Davis
Ruck Goldstein gawn Cox
Fwd Barlow Franklin breust wells menadue Kerridge
McCarthy Grimley

Vinny

Probably too light on your backline with Sheridan as D3, maybe look to downgrade either a Mills or Parish to at cheaper rookie such as Gore or Mathieson and then upgrade Sheridan to a Bartel.
But thats my opinion, hope it helps.

@emhoy

I like it swansong best to go cheap down back and put that money in to your mids.

Matt

Was really keen on Jack Martin this year – his non injury affected average last year was around 86 making him massively under-priced, but I also like Aaron Hall and Greene. Surely I can't go with all three?

Thom

I'm going with Greene Martin and do goey. All signs point up for Martin but I'm worried we might be a year premature.

Fox

Hope everyone jumps off wines too get Shiel or Parker ! Makes wines more of a POD for me !!! Wines was just cruising last nab game , is NOT inj and will explode this year !!!!!!

Mark

Thoughts on my team guys?

DEF: Laird, Murphy, Bartel, Sheridan, Weitering, Brown (ESS), (Byrne-Jones), (K.Collins)

MID: Fyfe, Ablett, Gray, Rockliff, Parker, Libba, Gore, Mathieson, (Keays), (Gresham), (Davis)

RUCKS: Mumford, Nic Nat, (King)

FWDS: Martin, Barlow, Greene, Wells, Milera, Kerridge, (Menadue), (Petracca)

34k left in the bank btw

Vinny

Is having D. Martin, T.Greene, and A.Hall as your F1, F2 and F3 too light?
I also have D.Wells, C.Menadue and S.Kerridge as my other starting forwards if that information helps.
Would love some advice thanks. 🙂

Kev

Reckon Barlow is a must have

Pete

I like it alot. Risky but surely it opens up the rest of your team. Reveal?

magpie4ver

Ok heres my side as it stands now….based on rookies as we all know.

Someone told me my side sucks so just asking for the communities input…if you wish?

DEF: Shaw, Docherty, J. McGovern, Weitering, Byne-Jones, M. Brown (Broad, K. Collins)

MID: Dangerfield, Pendels, Ablett, Shiel, Rocky, Libba, Parish, Gresham (Mathieson, R. Davis, MacPherson)

RUCK: Nic Nat, Gawn (Cox)

FWD: Barlow, Merrett, Greene, A. Hall, Menadue, S. Kerridge (Petracca, M. Adams)

Projected SC 1894 with 143.6 K in the kitty.

Is this Bad?

Vinny

.Team looks awesome maybe upgrade one of Hall or Greene, maybe even Merrett to someone you know will not disappoint, Dusty?

Defense might be a very smart move or could burn your whole team with Docherty and McGovern, do you think the two will be in the top 10 defenders come season end? Something to think on.

But nonetheless, Rucks and Midfielders look very strong and they will get you majority of your points.
Hope it helps. Vinny

magpie4ver

Vinny and Judd

Yes I agree with you both…. this is just the Shell…..I wanna fit Martin in………but its based on rookies you know?? But when I put Martin it it screws up my structure so I'm waiting and to see what rookies do based on where I go from there???

Thank You for your input much appreciated!!!!!!

judd0

Solid team magpie.
Personally I think you have to many kind of high end midpricers that are might break out and make you a genius but might ruin your day too.
Docherty, McGovern, Merrett, Greene, Hall.
I cull maybe 1 or 2 and with your leftover cash you should be able to bring in another premium or two.
Just my opinion like I said they might all play well and you'll be laughing.

magpie4ver

Ok!! What ones do you think I should cull Judd and what premos to bring in? IYO

Box

Yes…………………………….

magpie4ver

Yes bad or Yes good?

Kev

G'day magpie, I agree with judd0 here, Building on what was said about culling a few blokes, with 143k in the bank you could go Doch to Laird and Merrett to Dusty. Both are season long keepers who imo will finish top 5 in their position

SC_Beast

With remaining cash, upgrade McGovern to Laird

Vinny

Team looks awesome maybe upgrade one of Hall or Greene, maybe even Merrett to someone you know will not disappoint, Dusty?

Defense might be a very smart move or could burn your whole team with Docherty and McGovern, do you think the two will be in the top 10 defenders come season end? Something to think on.
But nonetheless, Rucks and Midfielders look very strong and they will get you majority of your points.
Hope it helps. Vinny.

magpie4ver

I'm Riding DOC…..McGovern I'm not so sure about????

Thanks Vinny!!!!!

magpie4ver

Bartel Might slip in there but waiting to see how he does this weekend?

Grahame Lebroy

Shaw and Gresham or McGovern and Viney ?

Captain Obvious

Is Gresham in the saints best 22? i.e Will he get a game in the first 6 weeks? I think not. He's a 140k donut

The Beard

Lads thoughts on squad, would really appreciate some feedback:-

Shaw, Laird, Bartel, McDonald, Brown, Hartley, Broad, Collins

Fyfe, Danger, GAJ, Rocky, Crouch, Liba, Mills, Parish, Gresham, Keays, Mathieson

Goldy, Nic Nat, Cox

Martin, Barlow, Greene, Menzel, Kerrige, Petracca, Grimley, Chol

Rhythm is a Panther

Hey Beard I don't think crouch (Brad) will be fully fit for round one. Perhaps have a backup just in case. Love the plum robustness if it's Matt Crouch!

The Beard

It is Matt Crouch mate.

SC_Beast

Mills has to be a lock as well. 72 after playing a sort of 'tagging' role in the first half.

Mark

Thoughts.
Shaw and shiel 1k in the bank or
Rance and priddis/Gray with 33-45k in the bank

tophawk

Shaw and Shiel by a country mile. Not sold on Rance.

SC_Beast

Peoples thoughts on using Hall for the Bruyn maneuver? Could easily reach just below 600k IMO and when the likes of JOM, Prestia and Swallow come back and start stealing his points, trade him to a Dahlhaus/Deledio who has fallen in price?

tophawk

I like it. If I was going to get Hall in , it would be precisely for that manoevre or a similar one. I would also consider this. I am not starting with Goldy because of his rediculous price. I am starting with Nic Nat and Gawn. Lets say, O'meara comes back around round 6, and starts to cramp Halls scoring. I would consider going bang bang! Trade out Hall in your midfield and grab O,meara. Pick up 200K cash in this trade, then assess whether Nic Nat or Gawn must go for Goldy. If, Nic Nat's scoring has been below par, he could be traded out and then swoop on Goldy for a price between 600-650 K. After both trades you would still have 100K+ up your sleeve. It may not quite work out that way. But what a Bryun manoevre that would be!!! Cheers

josh

parker or ward for a m5 position

tophawk

A toss of the coin should do it. I have Parker. Just ahead of Ward, Shiel, and Wines for players around 525-550K mark. Ward at 573K is 35K more expensive than Parker. For players of similar scoring output potential, Parker at 35K cheaper is the call for me. The extra cash means getting in D Menzel over Simpkin in my forward line.

Kev

Tough call. As bvc said, Ward may be a bit more of a POD. 19k between them, if you needed that elsewhere Parker is still a great option

josh

cheers fellas might have to parker as I wanna go danger ableet and fyfe to start off

Dice

In last nights game I had Franklin and Tippett for Sydney, didnt really see much of the game.
Were these guys terrible??
I've been on about Tippett all preseason as a POD after the last half of last season.
But going by scores and what i've read i may need to trade

tophawk

Both didnt show a lot last night. But its early days. I would watch for NAB 3 and assess other options at the same time. Then before round 1 you can make a calculated decision on who to lock into your forward line. Whether it be Buddy and Tippett or Greene, Hall, Merrett, Stringer etc etc. We will find out a lot more in the next 2 weeks. Cheers

Dice

Cheers tophawk.
Goldstein R1 and got Tippett as R2, if they dont perform nab3 most likely swap Tippett for any of the big 5 Stef Martin, Jacobs, Gawn, Sandilands or Naitanui. If Dan Menzel goes well today i'll swap Buddy for him

Bailey

Shaw and a rookie or de goey and sherridan?

PJ8

Shaw and Collins will score more

Mar

Ward or Wines for my final midfield spot?

Dice

Callum Ward for sure – never lets you down

Grahame Lebroy

Barlow

gator59

Need some input please

Pendles, Greene and Merrett
or
Gray, Wingard/Zorko and DeGoey / Menzel
so frustrating!!
Wingard and Menzel don't have DPP but does that really matter..

Canny the Manny

Gray, Zorko and Menzel for me. Collingwood have the best midfield in the league on paper, with Treloar, Sidebottom, Swan, Greenwood, Adams and even Crisp and DeGoey stealing points off Pendles. He's still going to finish around the top 5 mids but I'd be inclined to bring him in a bit later. I love Zorko and reckon he'll go to the next level this season. And I personally think that Menzel is an absolute lock this year, I've had him all preseason. I have a feeling Wingard might be forced to play more forward this year with Monfries out and Wines in the middle more this season.
But have another look in the rest of the NAB and just trust your gut. You don't want to have any regrets based on changing your team due to other people telling you to.

derek

Wingard will play more forward this year, usually that would worry me, but look at Ports draw, the ball will be down there alot.

Grahame Lebroy

Option 1

Grahame Lebroy

Do u think H.Shaw will increase or decrease his average of 112 from last year? Will u be starting with him?

gator59

He's a BIG LOCK for me..

gator59

As a matter of fact I've lost the key, So if i ever entertained the fact of trading him I'll have to buy bloody big bolt cutters or buy the biggest angle grinder i can find..

If the form he showed last night is anything to go by,, i think he can go an extra 5 to 10

Canny the Manny

Yeah I think he's the safest pick down back this year and there aren't too many of those at the moment. It's too risky not to start with him I think.

Phil

Decrease and no

MAC

Thoughts on my team: Rookies subject to change.

DEF: Laird, Bartel, Suckling, Walker (A Maybe need to see him play), weithering, brown , hartley, collins
MID: Fyfe, ablett, Ward, Selwood, Rockcliff, Liba, Parish, Gore, Keayes, Mathison, Mcpherson
Ruck: Goldy, Nic Nat, Grimley
Fwds: Martin, Barlow, Greene, Wells, Kerridge, Pertrecca, cox, phillips

Canny the Manny

Yeah I'll be keeping an eye on walker as well, although he's at a bloody awkward price. I think you have to choose between him and Suckling rather than having them both.
Also, I'm not sure Selwood's going to be fit round one. Maybe trade him to Parker or someone.
Otherwise it's a really strong team, good effort.

Mac

i reckon selwood will be better with danger in the side and can get back to averaging 110+. hopefully fit to play round one. i like the value of suckling at the bulldogs and can use his left boot to gain some sc points. Same with walker (couple of years ago it was who would you rather pick walker or shaw ) j can see him average in the 90s and be a top 10 defender if he can be free of injury. gotta risk it to get the biscuit

Adam

Narrowed down best potential premo midfielders down to these guys, but cant pick between them. Could the Community Share their thoughts and pick 5:

Fyfe
Dangerfield
Ablett
Pendles
Priddis
Hanneberry
Beams
JPK
Treloar
Ward
J.Selwood
Neale
Sidebottom
Gaff
Bontempelli
Shiel
Rockcliff
Liberatore

gator59

Fyfe, Danger, GAJ, Pendles, Rocky…. I notice you don't have gray on the list.. He will be there abouts..

Canny the Manny

Dangerfield
Priddis
Ablett
Rockliff
Liberatore

I reckon Priddis will provide consistency and should finish in the top 10 mids Danger is a little risky, but could blow the roof of the cattery if he gets going, I'd expect a fair few 150s this season from him. Ablett goes without saying, as does Rockliff and Libba I think.

derek

my "best" team is Fyfe, Ablett, Priddis, Pendlebury, JPK, Selwoos, Dangerfield, Rocky.

Grumpy

Here's an idea. Pick your team yourself