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PODCAST: AFL 2016 Ruck Options

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The best CoachKings and Supercoach ruck selections

The big bastards.

The tall timber. The Goliaths of our beautiful game.

As I explained over the weekend in my midriced ruck poll – not a line you want to get wrong. So often it’s the case that it’s not so much who you DO select in your ruck.. it’s who you DON’T select. This season it’s no different.

So whether you’re thinking Supercoach, CoachKings or AFL Fantasy.. you just need to whack the ear buds in and grab a notebook. This is a significant podcast community.

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Gaggin to see how your rucks are shaping up?


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David

l think this year more than last year we need a ruck fwd in our fwd line and a ruck fwd on the pine in the ruck.

Westy

That’s the way I’ve gone, David. Agree with you.
But Jock – you’ve all Lobbe-d me out of my slumber to go 2 Prem 1 Rook instead of 1 Prem, 1 Mid, 1 Rook in the rucks.

chandanrajdb

Hi Jock,

What are your thoughts on starting with Nic Nat and Mummy and then few rounds later hope Goldy drops in price and then just do a side ways trade of Mummy to Goldy…..yes I do understand sideways trade isn't the way to go in SC since the trades are limited, but when was the last time Mummy played for the whole season…?? so why not trade him a bit early even though he is going really well….Goldy has a tough start to the season and assume he will drop in price by rd 6 or 7….

Thoughts please…

Cheers,
Raj

fatboyfat7

Hi Raj,

I attempted a similar strategy last season with Mumford. Thought he'd get off to a flier and I could upgrade to Goldy after half a dozen rounds and save the cash. It didn't happen like unfortunately and I never managed to get Goldy in my team which essentially ruined my year.

I will not make that mistake ever again.

Goldstein LOCKED R1 for mine…!

Kev

Huge believer in starting with the premiums you want in your side from round 1. While your plan looks good on paper, there is ALWAYS something else going on that will take priority over a sideways trade.

LuskinStar

I agree with some of the guys who say you may not be able to make the trade for various reasons but you have a better chance of trading mummy for goldy than trading Lobbe for goldy and even if you dont mummy and nic nat are not the worst ruckmen to finish the season with particularly if you use the money saved wisely.

@wheels_1987

Your trading strategy would have to be mind numbingly genius to pull this off. With rookie appreciation and injuries, burning trades in the RUC is dangerous. But as long as you have a solid PLAN and have contingencies then it could set you apart from the pack. Could be similar to the bruyn maneuver .

Myself im going Martin and Dog Dog
-no DDP rubbish, no stuffing around, locked and loaded, throw away the key

My view is that should i be hit with injuries, by that time (fingers crossed) goldy will be cheaper.

CammyKami

I like Max King of Melbourne as a R3. If my research is correct then in all but 1 round (Round 1, a non-league game round) at least one of Ablett, Goldy, Fyfe or Pendles play before him. Costs 117k but is worth it.

Goldylock

You could put Mitchell King instead 117k ruck/fwd at Melbourne as well however after he's on the senior list instead of Max who is rookie listed so Mitchell could get a game but that would be unlikely.

CammyKami

who are you using?

Goldylock

Definitely using one of them Melbourne looks the best club to use for loopholing I'm probably going with Mitchell King with that slight chance he may get a game.

Donavan

Wouldn't want my loophole player to get a game, defeats the purpose of the loophole…for that reason Max King is a safer loophole

Goldylock

Wise words there Donavan, makes sense that a loophole ruck should not be getting games now that I think of it

BKW

Yep spot on – I’m using one of the two Melb lads, currently have Max

jackhiggo

Can someone please explain to me the loophole with the R3 spot and why you need fa wd/rck in both ruck and fwd bench spots?

Derek

there seems to be quite a few Defense Rookies on the radar this year. What does this mean for a ruck discussion?
I was going fairly deep in Defence this year (BSmith at D5), but with a few rookie Defenders who look like they could get the job done, means i can play two on-field rookies, free up some cash upgreade a rookie to Crouch in the guts and more importantly bring in Big Goldstein into my R1.

I N Pieman

Not a bad idea Derek. Been casting my eye over the rookies as always & there is no shortage in defence. S*it loads of em. Scoring potential is the only question mark. A lot are key defenders. Have to keep a close eye out in the NAB. Been going back & forth with Goldy. Biggest call of the preseason for sure. Leaning more towards giving him the nod.

SCaddict

That's the way things seem to be shaping up early, spend huge in the rucks and guts and load up with cheapies at the bookends.

Will be interesting to see if this changes much after we get through the NAB but a lot of coaches appear to be leaning towards that sort of structure right now.

Looking forward to getting a squiz at the inner sanctum's overall team strategies as we approach Rd1.

TRIGGER HAPPY

True. Amazing the difference between the team I started with and now. Big $ in the rucks has had a massive impact.

@wheels_1987

i have Matt DEA as my D4 and Lance Franklin as my F4

very weak in the bookends. My big worry is that my rookie DEF options dont generate enough cash.. I DO NOT want to be busting the budget upgrading my MID cash cows for DEF options.

TRIGGER HAPPY

That’s the way I have gone depending on nab and which rook defenders put up their hand. 2 on the field. Large $ in ruck and crouch at m7.

chandanrajdb

Hi Derek,

I am going heavy in DEF….my team as it stands…..Reson for this most of the def rookies are KPP's and have got very little confidence in them making cash early….

DEF:
KK, J Bartel, E Yeo, B Smith, N Malceski, M Brown (M Hartley, N Broad)

MID:
G Ablett, P Dangerfield, S Pendlebury, T Rockliff, T Liberatore, B Crouch, J Hopper, J Gresham (D Cuningham, B Keays, R Matheison)

RUCK:
Nic Nat, Shane Mumford (M King)

FWD:
D Martin, M Barlow, L Franklin, D Wells, J Simpkin, S Kerridge (C Petracca, S Grimley)

Remaining Salary: $1,600

My thoughts are, it is looking likely that i will not be starting with Goldy….and just hope that he drops in value early in the season…and then sideways trade Mummy to Goldy….Mummy doesn't play the whole season (based on his injury history) anyways…and he generally starts the season well and when the time is right bring in Goldy for Mummy…

Goldy is the one person who is making it really difficult this year…..which also means have to restructure the whole team structure to fit him in as a starter…

Thoughts would be appreciated….

Cheers,
Raj

Derek

Hi Raj,

Your team looks good. Not sure about Wells.

Ive been in the "Goldy too expensive" camp from day 1. However Norf's draw, especially after round 4 is very appealing!

I've also been against having too many Mid-pricers, IE Crouch. However i have been looking at his record two years ago and if he is up and going during NAB, he may pick himself.

My defence is pretty heavy because i don't want to rely on too many defense rookies. however there does seem to be more options than i first thought.

My current team is:

Mcveigh, Bartel, Yeo, Rich, Smith, Brown (Hibberd, Broad)
Fyfe, Pendlebury, Ablett, JPK, Rocky, Libba, Cuningham, Mathieson (Keays, Menegola, Beech)
NicNat, lobbe (Wyatt)
Martin, Barlow, Rioli, Simpkin, Kerridge, Petracca, (Phillips, McDonald-T)

However, if i go less in defense and bring in Crouch and Goldy, it looks like this:

Mcveigh, Bartel, Rich, Smith, Brown, Bonner (Hibberd, Broad)
Fyfe, Pendlebury, Ablett, JPK, Rocky, Libba, Crouch, Cuningham, (Keays, Mathieson, Beech )
Goldy, lobbe (Wyatt)
Martin, Barlow, Rioli, Simpkin, Kerridge, Petracca, (Phillips, McDonald-T)

I'm starting to like the look of the "Goldy" team.

chandanrajdb

Hi Derek,

In regards to DEF rookies i have too many questions…..that is why NAB challenge is crucial to have a good look at these DEF rookies especially….

R Bonner: he is in my watchlist…..the question is, is he in the Port's best 22? not sure….they would likely be pushing to play finals and i am not sure if gets too many games to start with???

Hibberd: Same as Bonner…

With Goldy my team looks like this,
KK, J Bartel, B Smith, N Malceski, J Aish, M Brown (M Hartley, N Broad)
Gazza, Dangerfield, Pendles, Rocky, Libba, B Crouch, J Hopper, J Gresham ( D Cuningham, B Keays, R Mathesion)
T Goldy, S Martin (or Nic Nat) (M King)
D Martin, M Barlow, L Franklin, D Wells, J Simpkin, S Kerridge ( C Petracca, S Grimley)

Cheers,
Raj

David

Not sure about Barlow really think he’s on the decline. Don’t think he’ll average more than say degoey. You might be able to put the cash somewhere else.

Leeds17

Barlow is a lock for me this years D Swan,

wombatsfc

Interesting opinion David but I had a look at Freo and I don't see anybody to replace him in the mids rotation and, with the new interchange and sub rules physics sort of demands that he'll average more than last year. Sadly NAB wont provide any insight on this one.

Stiffy

Wombats whats your team look like?

Derek

No Fyfe or Dangerfield, what is your thoughts there?

chandanrajdb

Fyfe, I will wait to see how he goes and where he plays…..Ross Lyon himself has declared that Fyfe will be playing (50%) in the FWD this season……I am pretty sure he said (50 / 50) when someone asked him about where will FYFE play in the Twitter questions the other day…..I am pretty sure you can get this statement in afl.com.au website….. and also he has that injury cloud…..so not 100% on him as off now….

Dangerfield is in my team above and He is LOCKED in my team…..

Cheers,
Raj

Derek

don't know why i didn't see danger. You only have 4 ultra premos in middle, makes Crouch at M6

chandanrajdb

Since you have good Mid price options available in the Midfield why not go with that…..when I say mid-priced player Libba is priced as mid-price player, but he will be my M7 or M8 come season end IF he gets is 2013 / 14 form back……if not upgrade him…..

B Crouch – Very good mid-priced option IMO and happy to start with him and will upgrade him to a ULTRA premo at the right time….

And every year you get the high scoring Rookies in the midfield and I am hoping Hopper will be Cripps of 2016…..have heard only positives about him during the pre-season and that is why he is locked in my SC team since my 1st draft of the team…..but still have to watch him closely in the NAB challenge just to get some assurance in what people are talking about him…..

Cheers,
Raj

wombatsfc

We live in the 'Lucky Country' Raj and our science blokes and shiela's recently helped prove the existence of gravitational waves thus, further proving Eisenstein's theory of relativity.
So, how much luck are you counting on with your team as selected? Remember that 50% of that will be bad, physics demands it.

Matt

I agree with you Raj, B Crouch is undeniably going to be a good option at his price, but I also like Polec. I think his ability to score goals will also influence his scores greater than Crouch.

My midfield is Dangerfield, Ablett, Rocky, Parker, Gibbs, Libba, Polec, Hopper (Gresham, Cuningham, Polkinghorne)

Have Kerridge, Petracca and Grimley in the forward line with Martin, Barlow, Devon Smith, Wells and Simpkin. What are your thoughts on that? Should Craig Bird be included due to his scoring potential?

chandanrajdb

Hi Matt,

Both your midfield and FWD line looks very solid mate…..BIRD is priced awkwardly so IMO it is better to ignore him at this stage…..but he is on my watch list and will be watching his NAB challenge performances closely….

Cheers,
Raj

Redgumwon

Hi Derek I've been following yours and a few others posts here for a while now. You and other make some very good comments. You know you're stuff and I was wondering if you play Supercoach Draft? We've got a league going of 8 and are looking for two more players if you're not in a league and are interested?

Kev

Let’s not expect too much out of Lobbe/Crouch/JOM midprice options (you could put Polec in that group as well). All are coming back from LTI’s. They look good on paper but if there’s any sign of soreness they’ll be rested

Derek

Thanks Red. I haven't played draft before, send me details and I'll have a crack

Redgumwon

Excellent Derek. I'm waiting for the last of the regular guys to enter the league today or tomorrow. You can email me at [email protected] for the code or I'll post it here once he's in?

Redgumwon

Hi Derek the last one of the regulars has entered the league. Our Supercoach Draft league code is 659240

We have one place left if anyone else is interested or you know of anyone else who may want to play.

Graham from Bluecruz from the league last year. If you're reading this I've emailed you the league details. We'd love to have you back again this year.

wombatsfc

Hi Raj how are ya mate.
I know that you were a top 5 finisher in years gone by but, "I don't like your draft team".
Your on-field backline is $2.3 million of speculation except Jim so actually $1.84 million. I agree that all of your selections have merit but 5 out of the 6 were selected based on an if. What if things go the other way? What if in the first 3-weeks Brodie cops a headknock, Eski does another knee, Yeo gets another injury, KK proves to have peaked and, brown gets a shutdown role? Suddenly you've used 3 trades on defense and still only have one 90+ defender and need to trade more on that line.

In a nutshell I think that you've overspent on gambles at either end at the expense of your midfield.
I could easily be proven wrong but I don't see Hopper or Gresham averaging over 70.

chandanrajdb

Hi Wombats,

Very much appreciate your feedback mate….good to see you back….

I am pretty HAPPY with the PREMO players I have currently got in my team in DEF…..if they do not get hurt during the NAB challenge games and are all fit and ready to go for RD1, I WILL BE GOING ahead with these players (premo's)….

Couple of Premium Players in DEF who are my upgrade targets are H Shaw and J McVeigh……Shaw is too expensive IMO and I am not prepared to pay that much, I can guarantee you that he will drop in PRICE at some stage of the season…. hopefully it will be fairly early in the season…..

J McVeigh – He has got that injury cloud, and he just started running last month and hasn't had a decent / solid pre-season, YES I know he is a veteran, but IMO he will take some time to get his fitness back and in this process he will loose some value surely and will pick him then…

FYI, ROOKIES are subject to change based on the NAB challenge games / performances…..no one is locked as off now in my team…..

I would love to see your team……and would love to know in your opinion who will be the top 6 defenders at the end of season in supercoach…..

And also in regards to your comment to my speculative picks in DEF, i have got my own reasoning behind selecting each player in DEF…..

KK – he had a solid year last season, and will only improve this year IMO and should get good support with all their GUNS returning from injury……

J Bartel – he is GUN, no more to explain….under priced IMO…..

B Smith – yes I agree this is a risky pick which I am willing to take……

N Malceski – was injured a lot last year and never got to settle with his new team mates, by all reports he is having very good pre-season and with most of the GUN GCS players available for selection this year, I am SPECULATING he will be a TOP 6 if not TOP 10 defender come season end, that is why IMO he is good value and based on 2013 / 2014 he should be averaging around 90 to 100…..

Again thanks for your comment above mate much appreciated…..

Cheers,
Raj

Cam

I'm currently toying with a similar train of though to you, Raj. At the moment I've stacked DEF as while there's plenty of rookies who will play, they probably won't appreciate much in comparison to their midfield counterparts. I guess there's also the double edged sword that ultra premium midfielders tend to maintain their value better than those up forward and down back. Keep in mind this may all change tomorrow, and they day after that, and the…

Murphy, Kolodjashnij, Bartel, Smith, Malceski, M Brown (M Brown, Hartley)
Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Ablett, Rockliff, Liberatore, Crouch, Hopper, Gresham (Jansen, Cuningham, Keays)
Goldstein, Naitanui (Loersch)
Martin, Wingard, Barlow, Kerridge, Kommer, Petracca (Phillips, McDonald-Tipungwuti)

If the DEF rookies look good for scoring in NAB then I potentially could end up with 3 on field in favour of adding JPK to the midfield and/or a Dahlhaus or Greene up forward. Or swapping NicNat back out for Martin or Jacobs… So many permutations, so little time…

Benjamima Puddleduck

I can see Bartel being the Sam Mitchel of 2016.
Minus the corking

Dean

Raj,
Take it from me mate, defence is a very volatile position, history proves this year in and year out. The chances of your defenders averaging 90 to 100 is absurd. I can only pick 1 defender that I am confident that he will average 100 and thats Shaw who is very costly.

Your aiming way to high, if your defenders as they currently stand average around 80 that would be quite remarkable, IF it happens.

TRIGGER HAPPY

I hear you jock. No mucking around in rucks.

Goldy and Martin/Gawn at R2 with grimely swing at R3/F8.

TRIGGER HAPPY

Really warming to gawn. If I take him instead of Martin allows me to go dahl over barlow. Liking the look of that.

brandonrom

Whats everyones thoughts on Will Minson. Seriously underpriced at 407k.
Averaged 115 in 2013,,,,,,,,,

vinnymac

Hey brandonrom, I wouldn’t go with Minson since it’s just as likely that Tom Campbell or Roughead will be rucking. My guess is that they will all rotate with a handful of games each this season.

Kevin Skywalker

Underpriced because of a relatively poor 2014 (dropped 22 points to 93 from 115 in his All Australian year 2013) and was out of favour at odds with Bevo who was happy to play him in the 2s. In 2015 averaging only 77. Unlikely to score more on average with the Dogs looking to use Campbell & Roughhead as their primary rucks and Tom Boyd and Redpath as back ups.

Phil

Rucks are causing me the most pain this year. My MIDS and FWDS have not changed for a while now and my DEF keep changing due to funds left over from RUCKS which keep changing. Lobbe or double premo is the question. Goldie is very close to a lock I think. R2 is the question and I'm torn. Thought it was out of Martin, NicNat & Lobbe but Jock has me thinking Gawn now…Also, Jacobs has to be considered for consistency and durability, particularly in this position. Decisions. SuperCoach will be won & lost in this position I think

Phil

The worst part about it is we're gonna be none the wiser after the NAB because teams will play 2-3 ruckmen, so even Sir Goldstein will struggle to put together a decent score.

I N Pieman

Don’t worry about super premos in the nab. They dangle there toes & strole around

Tom

Pick one out of

Parker, Shiel, Wines

TRIGGER HAPPY

Could all b huge this year.

Sheil – does he get tagged more with treloar gone?

Parker – fighting with points with JPK, hanners, titch etc but is good enough to still score high

Wines – could this b his year? Is he too bullish?

Who knows? Can’t really go wrong with any of them if they stay on the park. Throw Adams into that lot as well.

Kevin Skywalker

Wines for me

vchap

Close call but if i had to pick one it would be parker his already proven he can do it with a 108.5 ave in 2014. Last yr played with injuries so comming in well unders. His playing with a well established midfield in sydney so will be roaming free with oppostion teams targeting kennedy and hannerberry.

Benjamima Puddleduck

Wines all day

wombatsfc

Ollie is a level above those other blokes

Keenbutclueless

Bullish on Stef. His two lowest scores last year were 67 and 76. In those games, Leuey scored 96 and 71. He scored 98 in round 16, Leuey scored 72. He scored 97 in round 17 and Leuey scored 98. My conclusion is that without Leuey, there is a good chance Stef can go even better in 2016.

jackhiggo

Shhhhh… 😉

matteus

277051 join up if you're serious about getting the top league

Mac

Word has it that Dougal Howard is impressive ruckman down at Port and is looking for a start in port's 22. Could impact lobbe.

Stirlsy

Yeah Mac, someone has to give Lobbe a rest he isn't the type to ruck all day, BUT playing Howard with the other talls makes Ports FWD line top heavy I don't think they will go down that path, Lobbe will be their starting ruck IMO.

@BarronVonCrow

Can't see him playing much myself as long as everyone is healthy. Seemed like just a regular season puff piece personally. Port can run with Lobbe as the main ruck and have Dixon, Westhoff or Trengove to spell him.

Johnno

Hey jock, heard no word on anyone selecting Eli Templeton. Surely at 190k he shows value. Wonderi if he has had an interrupted pre season and was a beast in his first season

vchap

Better options around that price.

wombatsfc

Insight from a saints fan would be good

Davo

No one called "Elli" getting in my team thats for sure.

Roberto

Any thoughts on Jamar?

chandanrajdb

IMO…..absolutely NO….too old in my opinion…he isn't a SC relevant anymore and has past his prime….

Cheers,
Raj

SCaddict

Very likely would only see any game time if Leuey went down. More there for list depth and mentoring of the youth.

Stiffy

Thoughts on Shaw? Thinking he may get locked down by a defensive forward this year and will limit his scoring? Thats why i'm not starting with him.

TRIGGER HAPPY

Spent $ else where so a no for me

Derek

GWS should be a pretty competitive side this year, plenty of youngsters starting become mature footballers. Don't think Shaw will have as much of the ball as he did last year

TRIGGER HAPPY

R u cooling on shaw? 🙂

Derek

I think he will be top 8 defenders, will get him cheaper.

TRIGGER HAPPY

Yeah I think he had the perfect season last year so I believe he will drop in price but still b one of the top defenders.

SCaddict

Probably would be paying a significant mark up on a player who had the perfect season last year where nothing went wrong whatsoever.

Heater usually has a few mishaps each season so I'd be quite surprised if he can replicate his 2015 numbers.

vchap

I expect him to aveage a 95 worst case scenario, even tho thats well below ave last yr i see him as the safest bet to finish the season as a top 6 defender and that assurance makes his starting price worth it in a year where as much as 25 different players can realistically finish the year as a top 6 defender.

wombatsfc

I agree.
At the business end of the season we'd all gladly part with 100k for an extra trade and, we all know that shaw will be a must have defender. So, if you think that he's overpriced, factor in the value of the trade that you'll eventually use to get him

@wheels_1987

SHAW is a LOCK

2006 21 100.7
2007 22 106.3
2008 18 91.5
2009 18 94.7
2010 19 90.2
2011 14 100.9
2012 18 101.2
2013 19 96.9
2014 18 92.6
2015 22 112.6

The Ranger

Jeez these bloody rucks are doing my head in Jock!
I agree that it's a big call to leave out Goldy but that's a lot of money to spend that can be used so nicely elsewhere!

My current team is…

Simpson, Bartel, Yeo, Aish + 4 x rookies
Danger, Ablett, Pendles, Rockliff, Priddis, Duncan, Libba + 4 x rookies
Nic Nat, Lobbe + a loophole
Chopsticks, Dahlhaus, Higgins, Wells + 4 x rookies

It makes such a difference to all the other lines if I put Goldy in!

The Ranger

Sod it.
Just swapped out Nic Nat for Goldy and Duncan for Crouch.
I was really strong on Duncan but I just can't leave Goldy out.
If he goes down in Rd 1 I'm quitiing SC for good!!

SCaddict

Reckon that's a good move mate. Can see a lot of folk kicking themselves early in the season after seeing Goldy's output and realising there's no easy way to bring him in until after you've missed much of the action.

Crouch is also poised for a huge season if he can stay healthy, even if every cookie cutter team out there has him. There are just some things you don't want to miss out on and there's a decent chance that Crouch will be one of them just like Beams and Sandi in 2014 and Swanny in 2015.

The Ranger

I hope you're right mate!
It does also free up $50k and I'm seriously considering keeping hold of that.
Last year I started the season with no spare cash and then after a couple of rounds, when it was clear what rookies I needed to bring in, I could only bring in rookies that were the same price as the ones I was getting rid of. I'm keen to start the season with some spare cash this season so that I have some cash to play with if need be.
Anyone else planning on doing similar?

hedski

Yeah Ranger I have a $74k kitty for that reason.

The Ranger

Thanks Hedski. I've seen lots of people mention they only have a few grand left and that doesn't make sense to me.
getting the right rookies is so important, I want to make sure I have some wriggle rioom this year!

Cozza

I might have missed it, but there didn't seem to be any discussion on Martin in the podcast – I've had him locked in at R1 since team picker dropped – now considering Goldy at R1 and Martin at R2 – serious coin in the rucks, but they seem to be the two standouts to me and an easy set/forget.

Am I missing something with Martin, or does he speak for himself?

SCaddict

Nah don't worry Cozza he'll be a popular selection. Good chance he'll make my final team assuming nothing significant happens to change my mind during the NAB such as an injury setback etc.

hedski

Im goin same cozza set forget

Brycey

One boy that hasn’t been spoken about at all is that gorgeous lad down at the pies. Grundy a lock for mine as r2. Huge upside with the kid.

Derek

I do like pies early draw

Super Rabbit

What about Martin and Blicavs? Absolutely no mention in the Podcast, and they’re both in my team. Both bloody locks for 110+ avg this year imo.

SCaddict

My only reservation with Blicavs is how his role may evolve with Smith, Vardy, Stanley and Danger all in the mix now. He is such a versatile player that Scotty could use him in a number of different ways – but will this be a Supercoach optimised role??

I say this as an exceedingly satisfied Blitz owner for much of last season (once I was able to give TBC the flick) so hopefully he'll be another awesome selection again.

No issues with Martin though and a strong chance I will start with him myself. Such a great ruck and around the ground player who still probably has some improvement left in him.

Should only shine further now that Leuey has packed his bags and the Lions have a healthier list.

Supercoach Central

doubt Blicavs will avg 110

Stirlsy

Take out last year and then take a look at that avg 106.6 still consistant … So was it a stellar year for Goldy or the new Ruck scoring system that pushed him to a new height in SC or both? Can or will he go 128 avg again this season that's the big question mark or come back to the pack with a 110 to 115 avg. Put it this way if you were running a book on Goldy to repeat the 128.8avg or Fyfe to repeat his 124.3 who would you have as favorite ??? Fyfe would be odds on and Goldy at 5to2 on my book. He is still the top ruckman in the league but I see him coming back to the pack this season. I'm going in without him.

Derek

I agree he is still number 1. I also believe his price will not increase and may even fall. There will be time to get him later.

Matthew

Whats Wayno on ??? Goldy has AVG 111 pts in the last 5 years in SC ! Pretty consistant if you ask me Wayno ! NicNat still a good pick though !

Dan

Stefan Martin 110 last 2 years also.

BigHaydos

guys why has no one mentioned Daniel Currie? he is clearly going to play for the gold coast suns this year? 163k….. will make cash

I N Pieman

He’s on my radar mate. Big time. But not on the ground

BigHaydos

yeah mate not on the ground, my R3. Should play all 22 games if not injured and definitely good for bye round cover and a great cash cow to cull. Lets say he averages 75. By round 13 he will have made a great chunk of cash to cull. Then lets say we inject that profit into a Crouch, Wells, Aish, etc etc…… Thats definitely a premo for sure. Seems extremely safe to me mate. He didnt get a run at north melbourne due to Goldy being in the way. But the bloke can play and GC wouldnt have traded for him just to sit on the pine!

wombatsfc

Hey Bigfella why do you think Currie will play every game?
Did Tommy's legs fall off?

BigHaydos

Hey mate,

I think he will play every game because Gold Coast traded him in for a reason and he was starved of opportunity at the Roos. He is extremely athletic and would pair up with Nicholls for a great ruck combo

He can take a grab too!

Good luck this year wombat

SCaddict

Shame he doesn't have DPP eligibility as that would make him much more attractive at that higher rookie price tag. A bargain in the AFL Fantasy code though.

Definitely one to keep an eye on during the NAB without doubt.

BigHaydos

Yeah his price is almost awkward in creating line ups. He has been in and out of my team for the last week, definitely lots of upside but that 60 odd grand extra invested into him is a big commitment

I will be watching him in person this sunday at Burpengary against my mighty Lions

Swans2012

I like him, there is a chance he could really stand up this year, just been begging for a chance. He’ll slot straight into my team if named round one after looking the goods in nab

vchap

Whats everyones thoughts on simpkin vs anderson vs b.kennedy?

Hudson

anderson then kennedy then simpkin

FootyFanatic

I think Simpkin would be ahead of Kennedy

Vchap

true dat

Redgumwon

Simpkin can turn it over a bit and is priced more than Kennedy. At this stage Anderson, Kennedy then Simpkin for me

FootyFanatic

Yea he can occasionally, but in my opinion I still think Simpkin is ahead of Kennedy. Simpkin has much less competition for his spot whereas Ben Kennedy will be fighting for a spot as a small fwd. Simpkin averages 79 in full games since the start of 2013 to 2015, whereas Kennedy has only score 80+ once in his career.

Redgumwon

Kennedy was wearing the vest in plenty of his games. So we have to take into account his sub effected scores

SCaddict

Definitely one of those 'get back to me after the NAB' type of questions. Would only be guessing at best right now.

Hudson

Who does everyone reckon will be in the top 8 mids this year i asked this question on the other ruck poll but i was still curious on some other peoples thoughts, my 8 are (in no particular order) Fyfe,Danger, Ablett, Rockliff, Pendelbury, Priddis, Beams and Mundy with JPK not far behind, selwood would be up their too but i think he'll have a slow start to the year

Vchap

fyfe, ablett, rockliff, beams ,hannebery, gray, shiel, lewis

Stiffy

No way Lewis tops Pendles, Priddis

FootyFanatic

I'd bet my left nut that Lewis won't finish in the top ten, the bloke has only averaged 100+ twice in his 10 year career

SCaddict

I'll go with Fyfe, Danger, Pendles, Gaz, Beams, Hanners, JPK, Rocky

There are always surprises every season though so I expect as much as half this list to end up being wrong for one reason or another.

Eric_the_Red

I'd be confident picking Fyfe, Danger, Ablett, Pendlebury, Beams, Hannebery, Rockliff, Gray

Derek

Ablett
Fyfe
Dangerfield,
Jpk,
Pendlebury
priddis
Rocky
Selwood

holty

Are we talking averages or total points? if it is total points, you would be insane picking Beams as he has never in his career played an entire season. If talking total points, id say
Ablett
Rocky
Pendles
Fyfe
Danger
JPK
Selwood
Titch. (just have a sneaky feeling)

TRIGGER HAPPY

Someone will always comes from the clouds so hard to predict like libba in 2014 and hannas in 2015. If u can pick the mover then u r ahead of the pack.

But think u could safely lock in barring injuries fyfe, danger, priddus, rocky and ablett. The others it is a raffle as depends on role and others in the team taking points off them but have a feeling gray will b right up there this year.

BKW

Yep very hard to predict a top 8 – any of these guys could slot in there, and as pointed out depends if we are talking ave scores or total points.

Garry, Danger, Fyfe, Pendles, Rocky, Gray, Priddis, Beams, JPK, Hanners, Bontempelli, Sloane, Duckwood

Peter DickInABottom

Everyone starting without Goldy is silly. He'll win a brownlow this season.

Sheldon

Agreed!

SCaddict

All hail Goldylock!

DuckingTigers

You don't get any points for Brownlow votes.

wombatsfc

Apparently I'm silly.
That's about the nicest thing anyones said about me. Thanks rectumluv

Tom

What do we think Luke Parker can average this year?

Bit down last year but averages 109 in last 13 games (excluding last injury affected game)

holty

gun. he and hannebery i feel will get the attention though from opposition. only reason I’m going with jpk and titch

@wheels_1987

Heres the stats on him
make your own mind up. i wont get him but he is prime for a break out

2011 11 52.1
2012 16 70.9
2013 22 86.9
2014 22 108.5
2015 19 99.7

BKW

Yeah I like him but he is coming off a broken ankle… I won’t be starting with him but on the watch list as an upgrade for sure

DuckingTigers

I had Bellchambers as insurance at D4 last year. Once again I didn't read the policy closely enough and while the premium seemed cheap the promised benefits weren't as expected. A few times I couldn't reach the claims department although I did receive a very nice doughnut in the post. When claims were actually received I didn't get what I thought I'd paid for. As such I'm reluctant to buy a SuperCoach insurance policy for 2016 unless anyone can convince me that it could be worth it this year.

wombatsfc

Dude that was a ridiculously expensive insurance policy. That was like paying 5k for insurance with a 5k excess on a 7k car

DuckingTigers

Yes and when I cancelled it, no refund was forthcoming.

Phil

Hahha yeah I might just go with the 3rd-party insurance in the rucks this year…..R1 + R2 and if one gets injured, trade in a 3rd party.

@wheels_1987

im in the same frame of mind mate

ve gone Martin and Dog Dog.

no DDP rubish

no stuffing around

locked and loaded, throw away the key

james

i have gone all out set and forget in my rucks with goldy and stef martin and my team still looks sick

Big balls

Any good leagues ? Leave code

tim

im considering Sandilands as a POD this year. very good ruckman with some very good midfielders around him…thoughts community?

holty

injury risk bud. did well last year but he is like big mummy. likely hood of them making it to the end of season is slim.

TRIGGER HAPPY

Not sure that one rings true anymore? Last two years sandi has played 21 games. So pretty durable recently.

Benjamima Puddleduck

Yep, i thought the above comment was out by a good bit too. Sandi seems super underrated this year.

Phil

One advantage is he doesn't have to play against himself! He is getting old but like the saying goes "the fast players become slower but the tall players don't become shorter! Go for it I'd say.

wombatsfc

Mate if he's fit he's a bloody good choice.

SCaddict

Tooth length can't be ignored at 33 years old. Will that huge frame stand up to the rigours of yet another season with decreasing rotations? Also always have to worry about those Rossy rests and when they may land.

Would be a fairly ballsy POD but I think I'll stick to the more popular selections when it comes to those crucial ruck spots.

LuskinStar

Rested rd 23 but prior to that averaged 139 in his last 5 games. Reads like a good choice to me.

Cozza

Was planning on a Martin/Lobbe ruck combo, but you've changed my mind Jock. Now managed a team I'm fairly happy with with a Goldy/Martin ruck combo.

Team is:
McVeigh, Bartel, Yeo, Malceski, Aish, MBrown (Hibberd, Broad)
Pendlebury, Ablett, Rockliff, Wines, Liberatore, O'Meara, Crouch, Mathieson (Polkinghorne, Keays, Menegola)
Goldy, Martin (Grimley)
Martin, Barlow, Sinclair, Wells, Simpkin, Petracca (Kerridge, Beech).

$19.3k left. Rooks obviously subject to selection/NAB challenge. Going fairly light on in the back and forward lines, but think there is good upside to each Malceski, Aish, Wells and Simpkin. Not sold on Sinclair – may upgrade him and downgrade one of the mid pricers, but we'll see after NAB.

Other option is Martin/Lobbe ruck which leaves $324.8k to upgrade a couple of mid pricers or bring a Fyfe/Danger in.

I'll be watching Lobbe closely in NAB Cup, but word is that he wasn't that great in the intraclub. Welcome any thoughts you have on the Goldy/Martin team – thanks!

@wheels_1987

mcveigh is injured atm

i would avoid for now and go cheaper like RICH

TRIGGER HAPPY

Ditto JOM unlikely starter Rd 1.

Avzmo

Although O'Meara and Crouch were good lookers earlier on, they might not be right to go with their injury concerns. Then you would need to think twice about bringing in One using a trade, when they probably won't be top 15 midfielders this year, so you would need to use another trade later on. Maybe look at options without O'Meara and Crouch?

Derek

I think I’ll give Crouch a miss.

I had a look at Crows draw. No easy games in first 8.

North, port, Tigers, swans, Hawks, Fremantle, dogs, cats.

Cozza

Thanks guys – I'll definitely be keeping a close eye on those guys leading up to R1. I agree that they may not be keepers for the full season, so it may be better in the long run to go with an extra premo and an extra rookie.

As enticing as JOM and Crouch are – they are probably extra trades to burn during the year, so maybe they are fools gold.

Rick Grimes

Who are most critical to have from the get go, assuming you can't pick them all:

GAJ
Fyfe
Pendles
Danger

Derek

Ablett is locked. Suns have Essendon first up! Plus Carlton and Bris in weeks 3 & 4.

Pendlebury is locked. He will be starting the year fit for the first time in 3 years. He is Collingwood best player and I can see a typical Mammoth Curve happening as he starts his 10th year. Pies have Swans & Richmond to start, but then are gifted a dream run of games: Saints, Melb, Essendon, WCE, Carlton, Brisbane!

Fyfe has been injured and might start a bit slower than his price tag. Ross says he will be forward more this year, which means he will be 100% midfield ;). Fremantles draw is ok, interestingly Fremantle have 4 of their last 5 games at home.

Dangerfield is the risky pick of these 4. At the Crows he was god-like and did what he liked. I can’t see Selwood, Bartel, Enright & co letting the new kid get all the footy. I think the cats are a serious title contender this year and Dangerfield will be given a “role” to play. Ie the hawthorn way. Danger needs to fit into a new team first.

Derek

Not letting him get all the footy

Derek

start with all 4 if you can

TRIGGER HAPPY

Got burnt more than once last year by not having danger so made the call no matter what unless injured he is in.

Gonna b hard to vc loop abs Rd 1 if u have king as he plays after dees so unless u pick a blue/tige then I think u need to say bugger it and put the C on abs and trust him to deliver the choccies.

Marc

Pendles and danger. Ablett is injured again and fyfe is to risky coming off his injuries

Bg G

I am starting to worry about GAJ as well. I see Fyfe as an Ablett 5 years ago – a serious freak that unless he breaks his leg I am willing to pay any price for him.

Derek

I don’t think Alberts injury is much to worry about

Kev

Ahhh, the Gaz debate. Brings back memories. Importantly it’s not his shoulder, and he’s been doing contact work. He’s still in my team. We know what he’s capable of and is an absolute bargain at that price

The Ranger

I can only fit three in my starting line up and have gone for Ablett, Pendles and Danger on the back of Fyfes injury and the fact he may possibly spend more time forward but really you can flip a coin, they'll all be top six and quite possibly the top four.

@wheels_1987

i have all of these except Danger

thats just my opinion though

Grahame Lebroy

For me in order, Danger, Fyfe, Gaz then Pendles.
I think Pendles will slip a little this year. Can’t see Danger being affected swapping clubs, he will be Cats best player, and I don’t care if Fyfe rests in Fwd line at times, he is a SC scoring freak. Gazza is Gazza, but with getting older more injuries could come so I am wary with him

Cozza

For me it is GAJ>Pendles>Danger>Fyfe, although not much between any of them.

Pendles has been solid for years – if he has a role change as has been mooted it is likely to only improve his scoring, as it did last year when he played the Cats in that same role.
Danger – only hesitant because of new club – for me it is a wait and see if this impacts his scoring, but can;t see any major change
Fyfe – the talk of a role change has me a bit more unsure on Fyfe. The fact that he played in the intraclub is encouraging, but I am wanting to see how the extra time in the forward line affects him – could be positive if he hits the scoreboard, but could also mean he's not getting as much pill around the ground.

Either way, I'd be happy with all 4 in my team!

LuskinStar

For me Ablett is first and then danger. Hearing things about change in role for the other 2 that puts me off a bit.

Tony

Hi Guys Just started SC league 823211 if anybody interested

holty

im in.

@wheels_1987

ive gone Martin and Dog Dog.

no DDP rubish

no stuffing around

locked and loaded, throw away the key

welcome

Derek

How many teams will be running two ruckmen, ie Hawthorn? And which teams are going lone wolf?

Derek

Before the sub rule, a lot of teams were playing two ruckmen.

Obviously the interchange rule will make it different, but I wouldn’t mind betting that as the year goes on, more teams will be thinking about 2 rucks. It worked before, I can see teams developing a strategy to make the Lone Wolf ruckman have to work very hard against a tandem ruck combination.

Redgumwon

I think most teams will run one ruckman and have a pinch hitter to give the main ruck a rest up forward. Port will run Lobbe most of the day and have Dixon or Westhoff spend limited time in filling in the ruck

Derek the draft league code is 659240

If anyone else want to play or you know of anyone give them the details as we have one place open still after you join

Derek

Thanks Red

Phil

Derek I've been thinking about this one too and I don't think much is going to change in regards to ruckman this year. In fact I don't think this new rotation rule is going to change that much at all. I can't see why teams would play an extra ruckman, at the expense of an extra midfielder, just because the rotations are capped. Teams are gonna need that extra guy who can push into the midfield to relieve his teammates more than ever.

GoHawks

Competitive league should you wish to join – 211881

NotAGhostShip

I'm torn between Goldy + Lobbe, or Goldy + Martin

Jackson

It's a tough one mate, best way to work it out is try to guess the points both players will average. If you think Martin is 15-20 points per week better, I'd go with him. Also matters what you're doing with the extra 200k. If you are a picking another mid-pricer instead of a rookie, then I'd probably back in Martin & the rookie….Reason being the rookie should give you as much cash generation as the 2 mid-pricers combined and you get a premium.

GoHawks

Appreciate you thoughts on my first cut of team. Sure to change plenty before the season starts-

Shaw, Simpson, Smith, Malceski, Seedsman, Aish (M.Brown -Ess, Hibberd)

Pendlebury, Ablett, Rockliff, Libba, O'Meara, D.Thomas, B.Crouch, Conca (Parish, Trengrove-Melb, Keys)

Goldstein, Lobbe (Max King)

D.Martin, Hogan, D.Menzel, Wells, Anderson, Kerridge (Kommer, Petracca)

My question marks hoover over Daisy Thomas & Reece Conca in the mids, and Jessie Hogan in the forward line.

Thanks for you wisdom in advance.

Derek

GoHawks doesn't have any Hawthorn players! very wise.

Your team has alot of depth but i worry about your ability to generate enough cash to reach full premium. You will need to make alot of upgrades as well, so i see you getting short on trades.

GoHawks

Thanks Derek, will look at options.

Also love the Hawks, but they share the ball around. Same reason I love them, is the reason I have none in my team.

Derek

i'm also a big Hawks Fan, and usually have a No hawks Rule. Although i couldn't resist SMitchell from Round 1 last year and obviously Hodge came into my team during last year as well.

I keep looking at Rioli this year. Whats are your thoughts on him?

GoHawks

Rioli was amazing last year, and is thus priced at $500k. Just think we have too many options in the small forward brigade to pick any of them for SC.

For the extra $21k i would prefer Gunstan with Roughy out.

But looking forward to seeing what Clarko makes of the forward-line challenge without Roughy, we saw how they struggled without Buddy….lol

Derek

without Roughie, someone has to kick all the goals, i was thinking Rioli might get a few of them. plus he has worked on his fitness alot and he could get more mid-field time.

i would just love to have in my team

TRIGGER HAPPY

Word is they r going to see how Fitzpatrick goes in the nab up fwd as a possible fill in for roughie

Derek

nah. They will play Shoenmakers up forward with Gunston and have the Rucks resting up there.

Rick Grimes

I would describe this team as 'mid-priced madness'. Maybe I'm too much of a guns and rookies man, but I'd personally drop a few of the mid price punts and pump up the premium levels. I see only 9(ish) keepers in that lot. Wouldn't go near Daisy.

GoHawks

Thanks for the feedback, may look to do something like-

Downgrade – Thomas, Conca & Anderson
Upgrade- JOM, Hogan & ??

GoHawks

Taking into consideration feedback, I have made some changes, resulting in-

Shaw, Simpson, Smith, Malceski, Seedsman, Aish (M.Brown -Ess, Hibberd)

Pendlebury, Ablett, JPK, Rockliff, Libba, O'Meara, B.Crouch, Parish (Jansen, Gresham, Keys)

Goldstein, Jacobs (Max King)

D.Martin, D.Menzel, Wells, Simpkin, Curnow, Kerridge (Kommer, Petracca)

So added the extra keepers of JPK & Jacobs, still a make shift forward line, but I see Menzel & Wells being possible keepers, with cash generation from Simpkin, Curnow & Kerridge & Bench.

Derek

I don't think O'Meara will be ready for round 1. I'm thinking at least until round 3 or 4.

Rick Grimes

Agree on this. Really like Jaegerbomb but he's too much of a risk for mine. Really like the Sauce selection, ultra consistent. With that ruck combo I think you can afford to take your punts in the forwards.

Derek

Have a look at the Crows first 8 games. Then have a think about Jacobs!

Cozza

Think that looks a lot better GoHawks.

I agree that the forwards looks a bit light on – might be worthwhile considering downgrading one of Malceski, Seedsman or Aish to a rookie and upgrading one of the midprice forwards to a premo.

Krups

FWD line to weak bloke. Need at least 3 high scoring players in the F1 to F3 spots. In my book I see these as keepers all year. Need to make sure out of your starting lineup you have 12 keepers. Reckon your about 2 short.

Sam

thoughts on big johnny patton????

Bg G

could be a real POD stepping stone, but worry about consistency considering he is a KPP.

Sam

hey guys my league code is 745500 come and join guys

Aaron

Out of the two, who would be the better pick of Stef Martin and Nic Nat? Interested to see people's opinion

hedski

For mine big stef is more consistent Aaron cheers

holty

Stef better around the ground so if he comes up against a big ruck where he wont be getting to many hitouts, he still gets his hands on the ball elsewhere.

FootyFanatic

Big stef would be the better scorer but if your tight for cash then go Nic Nat

holty

on another note, a mystery benefactor has just paid off Hirds $750000 legal bill. i hope that is the last we hear about Hird and we can finally get into the real stuff. Come on the footy

holty #2

That seems very suspicious……

holty

oh, that was only half of what was owing. Still going. When will this go away?

holty 3

It might be the breadwinner of the family…..She just sold one of her Toorak mansions for a few mill.

holty

lol. i like that.

Holty #4

Fancy seeing you guys here

Titan

Listening and reading to this had me thinking about nic naylt and lobbe which i had

And ine of the main things that got me going was that ill need at least 1 trade to get to goldy

But thats if i have money in the bank

So more likely need 2 trades to get him

And i dont wat to use trades if not needed

So i changed my team around a bit to find 300k to get him in

And this is what ive come up with

Kk, docherty, smith, aish and rookies x4

Pendles, ablett, shiel, rocky, wines, libba, parish, rookies x4

Goldy, nic nat, rookie

Martin, franklin, billings, greene, sinpkin, rookies x3

No coin left

But if i was to downgrade anyone it would be greene and upgrade my wines or shiel or maybe even both

Thoughts wiuld be great

CoachDamo

You might look at someone more reliable in defence – maybe Bartel or Shaw (depending on how much cash you can find). Having Aish and 2 rookies on the field could be a danger.

Swans2012

I have no problem with this team, im not taking goldy but if I was my team would be similar to this. Not sold on billings and Franklin but this time of year it’s just personal opinion….

Basil

appreciate your guys thoughts on my first team
Defenders- Bartel, Yeo, Smith, Brown, Brown, Hartley (Bryne, Hibbered)
Midfield- Fyfe, Pendelbury, GAJ, Rockliff, Parker, Liberatore, Crouch, Petracca ( Kerridge, Cunningham, jansen)
Ruck- Martin, Lobbe (loersch)
Forward- Martin, Dahlhaus, Barlow, Stringer, Simpkin, Cockatoo (Kommer, Cox)

Cant decide between Stef Martin or Nic Nat, I was thinking of having both but would mean I would probably keep both for the season meaning I cannot bring in Goldy latter on.

Kev

Not bad first up, mate. Personally I’d go to M6 with premiums rather than F4, especially with such a skinny backline

CoachDamo

I'm the opposite to Kev…I don't mind having more rookies in the midfield because they'll generate cash for you (think of Vandenberg, Cripps, Miller, Ellis-Yolmen, etc. last year).

Stiffy

Thoughts? 57k in the bank

KK, Yeo, Smith, Aish, Brown, Broad, Collins, Collins
Fyfe, Pendles, Ablett, Priddis, Rocky, Libba, Hopper, Gresham Cuningham, Keays, Mathieson
Goldstein, Nic Nat, Wyatt
Dusty, Dahlhaus, Barlow, Simpkin, Kerridge, Petracca, Grimley, Skinner

Phil

I'm all for a cheap defence this year too I just think you need Bartel to give it a bit of stability. Other lines really good.

CoachDamo

Looks good! I agree with Phil, it's hard to know what KK, Yeo and Smith will do this year so having someone a little more reliable might be a safer option.

My main concern in the midfield is Ablett. Remember he only played 6 games last year and now his preseason has been interrupted by that foot injury. Personally I'd like to see him our on the park for a few weeks before I invest.

Good luck!

@BarronVonCrow

Decided i'm not fluffing around with any midprice stuff in the ruck. Just sticking with Goldstein/Martin as the main rucks and not spending much time worrying about it from there. Currently have some rando ruc/fwd guy from Gold Coast as my R3 and Grimley as my F8 (providing he's playing) and that'll open up a swing set should I need to use it.

hedski

gday barron vc. Probably wouldn’t want a suns ruckman as loophole hard to use gaz?

@BarronVonCrow

Good point, but who says I have Gaz?

I do, but I just wanted to scare you for a second!

chandanrajdb

M King from Melbourne FC is perfect IMO, since they play more sunday games…..if you tight in budget Chol from richmond isn't a bad option i think…..

Cheers,
Raj

BKW

Richmond play a lot of Friday night games – I’d avoid personally

@BarronVonCrow

Good looking out, mate. I'm going to crunch all the numbers closer to the year, but he's def another option too.

DuckingTigers

But which M, King? I can't decide betwwen the two.

Stiffy

Stefan Martin or Nic Nat?

Danners

Martin if you have the cash

Basil

dahlhaus, zorko, rioli or wingard F2?

BigHaydos

wingard mate. Zorko will be solid and the lions will win more games this year but wingard is the pick of the bunch. Rioli is way too inconsistant and the dogs wont reproduce their fairytale2015

FootyFanatic

Why won't the dogs replicate 2015? I'm not a dogs supporter but they have a lot of young talent and are only going to improve. Now add libba into the team as well as another preseason into all the youngsters and it's not all looking that bad for them. Back to the question though, I would choose libba or Zorko.

FootyFanatic

Sorry I meant Dahlhaus or Zorko

Redgumwon

Harder draw this year for the doggies will make it a little tougher for them.

Kev

Funny you should say that bighaydos, I thought the same thing. He was mentioned in the fwds poll and I looked into him. Only 4 scores under 80 last year. High possibility he could go twang, hasn’t played a full season since ’08. He’s a nice POD though

Grahame Lebroy

Close but probably Nic Nat.

Grundy488k, T.Nicholls439k or Lobbe389k as a ruck 2?

West

I really like Tom Nicholls. Will be number 1 ruck and is