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PODCAST: An eye on the BYES

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Supercoach 2015No use pretending. The time for bye planning is here.

And if you haven’t spent much time planning for rounds 11, 12 and 13 – this is absolutely the week to begin.
This is a tricky bloody period. There is an absolute crapload of value across all lines – but we have to tread with a little bit of care to make sure we don’t fall in a miserable heap when the byes roll into town.
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David

Should we trade CEY and Tarrant? I really want Jack Steven but I'd have to make 2 trades if I was to trade Tarrant and CEY I have enough but will his price go up still? I'm worried about his scoring output.

Poloko48

Sure you're not chasing points mate? Will Steven be part of your midfield for the rest of the year? Plenty of better value elsewhere I reckon.

David

I wanted him when he was under 500 but I had injuries and had to put rock in. Like who? I have Parker and Rockliff.

Luke

u only want Jack steven cos he hit 170 this week dont chase points

David

False. If I was chasing points I'd go with Simpson.

mcleal10

Simpson's had a great season though compared to many other defenders.. leaving him as a respectable option in defence..

Traderlyf

how is he chasing points? Steven is averaging 120….

David

Because apparently wanting a guy for ages but trying to pick up premiums under 500k like Parker and Rockliff when Steven scored 171 means you're chasing points but I bet these guys picked pride is or wanted him after his almost 200 point game.

KJU FC

Cripps to Rocky

BANG

Derek

Bang

Tophawk

Touk Miller can wait.

Cripps to Rockliff this week.

Tophawk

BANG!! The perfect trade. Now is the time.

tomp

Worried about the lack of quality rookies to downgrade to…

Hazey

Same here

tomp

Is Bailey Dale a good option if not named sub this week?

scrofl

Hasn't scored well at all, probably won't keep his spot in the side for long enough to make any decent amount of money.

jacob

Might well be with Goodes out with a broken arm.

@wheels_1987

i am going to avoid Dale. Theres a few players on the horizon to look for

TheCompletePackage

Like who?

@wheels_1987

POST STOLEN FROM DEREK (great write up mate by the way)

In the words of Jock, "the rookies will appear". Jock said this before the first round when we couldn't find any rookies in defence, and sure enough, McIntosh, saad & Oxley came to our rescue.

There are plenty of Rookies who will get games in the next 4-5 weeks.

Steele, Blakely, Kolodjashnij, H Goddard, Scharenberg, Moore, Laverde, Viojo-rainbow are all close to getting a game.

There are Stretch, Glen20 & mcbean already had a game or two will get more games.

There will be Lamb & Lambert coming back from injury soon, even Nelson, Anderson, Towers & Cockatoo around $155k are still rookie priced.

We will find our downgrades!!!!

Rob

Hey community!

This my team currently.

BACK: Shaw, simpson, newnes, lumumba, Lever,Saad ( mckintosh and hamling)
Mid: Fyfe, selwood, Gray, D.Mckenzie, Kennedy, Shiel, Cripps, Priddis( CEY, Krak, Blakely)
Ruck: Ryder, Nicnat( read)
FWD: Roughy, Martin, Bont, Hogan, Franklin,Tarrant( Lonie and lambert)

I have 200K and bot sure what to do. Any suggestions?

Hazey

Rocky into the mids?

jezzahill

Cripps to Rockliff is a must this week

Vardo

Burn Lumumba!

Brad

No trades this week.

Davo

lumumba to Hurley?

Youngy

I'd hold him, unless he doesn't play

min0008

Cripps to Rocky but need to trade Tarrant out for Dale to afford him

Youngy

In in the same boat, wondering if it is worth waiting for byes

@wheels_1987

I would be cautious with Dale. Not sure if he can hold his spot in the team and not a Huge BE

dognino

Going into the byes with 9-12-9 at the moment, have traded @rse off with injuries so far, but if Lonie and smith are back in next week I'll have 29 scoring players . With no real downgrade options at the moment I'll be holding off trades , and looking to trade strategically through the byes based on my opponents. Top prize is well out of reach sitting at 26,000 rank

barnyfrench

Could someone outline to me the scoring rules for bye rounds

Timmy

You get the scores form the top 18 players onfield

Timmy

"from"

Donavan

Best 18 on field score count. C & VC strategy and points remain unchanged.

Locked and Loaded

With the lack of downgrade options this year our cows need to be milked until the last little drop. Oxley and Vandenberg (traded out both) have proved that even when BE's appear unattainable they can bet met. Would rather not trade now than have headaches come business end of the season. Rocky also proves a SC bargain like that needs to go straight in woithout hesitation. Remember that when Gaz is ripe for the picking

Derek

How far away are Lambert and Lamb?

randomcliche

due in bye rounds, round 11-12 and rnd 13 respectively. Not much help for the bye rounds scoring wise, but downgrading during those weeks are locks for mine.

nathan

I kept lambert for the loopholes
Need to get him back soon to make a little bit of money from him
Had to trade lamb but will bring back in if he plays

@wheels_1987

I said hold Ox and he payed off
Tmac did bugger all

For those that traded Ox to Tmac lost 10 points and wasted alot of $

Locked and Loaded

wheels I always understood where you were coming from although Ox hardly went up in price. Ox being traded sits fine with me. I was just using it as an example with rookies. Midfield rookies more so as they can considerably close the gap when it comes to spending.

tomp

a bit off topic but is there anytime where its good to trial supercoach gold or does it not really matter?

CashCows

Personally I dont think there's an optimal time to use it. But I did use it pretty early, I think R4-R6, just to start my team off right. Was nice having projected prices and BEs.

CashCows

Stealing my name?

As far as gold, I am a fan

Youngy

Anytime between R1 – R20. Don't wanna use it to late or before the season starts

@wheels_1987

i would use the trial at the bye rounds

but seriously $20

Just pay up. its a great tool, and enhances the SC experience

Harrison

wallis and ebert were good POD's this week for me.

Studs: simpson newnes, saad, oxley, shaw, fyfe, pendles, wallis, ebert, gray, swan, martin, nicnat, rockliff, lewis
Duds: kmac, krak, tarrant, goldy, de goey, bontempelli, CEY, cripps, miller

Not a gret round but still happy, rookies flopped and premos flew

chris

going ballsy this week jock.. ranked 390th overall.. have reasonable bye structure also..

out cripps and miller
in. rockliff and brodie smith

people may say no to brodie smith, but if he is playing this week he is in my team, i know he will drop a bit in price.. however i think he is going to score well for the year. averaging 96 if you take out his 2 KO's

stevie

Perfect round 12 upgrade imo, you can wait 2 weeks.

demon

agreed, oxley to smith downgrade is on the cards

smith way too soon

Just look at Luke Parker, ko'd in round 1 then took until round 6 to crack the tonne. Smith is going to take even longer after his second concussion. Bring him in at your peril, his scoring will take a minimum of 5 weeks, if not longer to get back to the highs of round 1.

@wheels_1987

Your ranked so good, but i think you might be making a POD risk move for the sake of it
Cripps to Rocky is a good trade but i would say Hold one more week on B SMITH
High BE, let him play one good week then snap him up

Tophawk

Melbourne are on the move!

Vandenberg and Hogan are their blood. Brilliant performances this week.

The Port Adelaide bus is coming to town next.
.
Me thinks there could be a few passengers on the bus.

Both Vandie and Hoges will be starters against Port Adelaide next week.

@wheels_1987

I traded OUT salem, following week he cracked the ton
then i trade out Hogan and Vberg in the same week
both dominate

SC gods are cruel

Youngy

I understand ya brang in Franklin last week scores me a 47

Tom

is it bad to be fielding donuts during the byes?

if not how many donuts is too much?

atm Im looking at 2 donuts in the first week, 5 the next and 6 in the last.

Bruds

Your top 18 scores are counted during byes so aim to have a max of 4 on field donuts

Tophawk

O dear.

Better start planning.

You know the rule:

"if you fail to plan, you plan to fail"

Good luck

Cheers

yurkins

the byes can really sting you in overall positioning but it can be lots less relevant in league plans.

round 12 is the most difficult to avoid 0s for all players even those amongst us that planned for it in the season beginning. Injuries, cash cows and aggressive trade ups can interfere with those plans as we aim for best quality players at that time.

IMO beware of being understocked in round 12 and will be the most difficult to avoid for all of us the dreaded donut.

chris

time for lumumba to sit on the pine!

Tophawk

Time for Lumumba to Ommitted

@wheels_1987

i want the prince out of my team, but im holding. i dont want to lock in a loss and im hoping he can find form and get back to the $400k mark

daddyotoole

Lumumba >>> Simpson or Hibberd
OR
Miller/CEY >>> Rockliff

Bruds

rockliff is more important i feel and it's really up to you with the rookies, CEY has a round 11 bye whereas Miller is rd 12 so work out who fits your bye structure better

@wheels_1987

CEY to Rocky

demon

miller has hawks, sydney, freo next 3… I'd be dumping him

chris

team:

def: shaw, rance, higgins, newnes, saad, b.smith, goodes, lever
mid: fyfe, pendles, priddis, kennedy, beams, CEY, rocky, krak, lumumba, mckenzie, anderson
ruck: mumford, nic nat, read
fwd: gray, martin, swan, goddard, buddy, clarke, tarrant, lamb

thoughts community. 18 trades this left. just traded cripps to rocky, t.miller to b.smith (if he is picked to play).
ranked 390th overall

Bruds

So impressive to be ranked so highly, i'm just at 4k
With Freo this week and a round 11 bye for smith i'd just do the rockliff trade. Remember it's a LONG season and even though you're chasing rank it'll do you well to trade big during byes and not too much before
You'll also want a few trades later on to pick the in form players over the last few rounds

Dustbin Feltchers

Big shout out to Jivesy's Jumbuck's who jumped from 45 to 32 this week. Very trouser stretching!! Don't forgot who gave you their extra copy of Jocks bible when u take home the bickys. (i did take out the centrefold for the missus) thanks to australia post for the extra copy. love the podcast

Ethan

ill need to downgrade if i am to get rocky in
but who has more job security menadue or dale

Bruds

Honestly ethan i'd wait until teams are announced and then possibly until subs are named until you trade because they're both not very safe at all
If i had to make a call now i'd say dale has less security with mcrae, hrovat and a couple more to come into the dogs side

jacob

Yeh good thinking. If Dale isnt named sub this week I'll pull the trigger on Tarrant to Dale just before the Dogs game.

@wheels_1987

wait till thursday but i would go Menadue
his first week score will be out of his scoring calculations by his 4th game and i think he has more Job Sec over Dale

that said, i am holding on any trades this week. not much to look at

Tigertanic

Debate time community:

LUKEY PARKER ($553,000) vs JORDAN LEWIS ($538,100)

If you were gonna get one of these two this week, which one would it be and why?

…and yeah, I'm getting one of them this week.

chris

jordan lewis.
can see everyone jumping on parker but i feel that sydney midfield has heaps of depth and long term won't average more than 105
lewis is the number 1 midfielder in one of the best sides..

before lewis was suspended everyone was saying he should be peoples top priority.. dont think anything has changed tbh.. i am going to be looking to get him in very shortly!

chris

also, i already have JPK and buddy.. so don't want too many from same side.. also have no one from hawks..

Dean

Great post i chose Priddis last week for Sloan and glad I did, I went Vandenberg to Parker this week and again im glad I did as I believe Parker will average 110 at least and at his price of $511k it was irresistible the guy is a GUN.
Although if you have JPK & BUDDY that's a fair call, I just had JPK prior and now Parker. I'm not sold on Franklin far to inconsistent.

I totally agree with ya on good ol Lewis though I am going to either bring in Lewis or Rockey in a few weeks as my midfield is done bar one player but I have Cripps, Ellis-Yolmen so its going to be basically a straight swap or little cash exchanged. I was impressed with Rocky though but ill still wait now…

Youngy

I have JPK, Buddy and Parker, Don't see a problem as long as you are looking out for the byes. There usually a winning team and don't get thrashed very often if at all. It would be different if it was 3 Melbourne players.

Ben

Is Lewis the no 1 mid? Mitchell / Hodge far more important to Hawthorn the Lewis is

Derek

Hawks have a couple of easy games. Lewis scores well against weak teams

mcleal10

Lewis is clearly a hothead and I'd much prefer the Parker boy. Parker is set for a big next half of the season.

Locked and Loaded

PARKER easily that’s all

barnyfrench

Does the bye round have an effect on the captains loophole?

yurkins

its actually easier as there are loads of donut options to use.

Ty

Do I hold Pittard ? Got him in for Newnes a few weeks ago ? : (

Ben

Stupid trade

Bruds

i have pittard and thought he could be a keeper due to his first 5 rounds but as port have played poor so has he. Hold for now but post byes look to upgrade if his form doesn't improve

Youngy

Hold

Gold Rush

Pittard is another BURN MAN, learnt that lesson last year and will never select him again.

ThingThatMakeUgoHmmm

Agree also, I started off playing DT many years ago however the past 5/6 years I have been playing SC, and im afraid its becoming a SERIOUS joke.

I respect the community and all the work that Jock, Higgo, Crouching and all others put in not to mention the great humour. I have NO grudges at ALL with the community of Super Coach. What I do have is a grudge with the Super Coach scoring system.

A couple of weeks ago, I heard a podcast trying to explain how the scoring system works and how a huge impact of Super Coaches scoring system all depends when the possessions took place during each individual game, so if the mark, kick, tackles, hand balls and so forth took place at a crucial period in the game that results in more points.

If this is true then in my opinion this scoring system is far from being the GREATEST in the AFL fantasy footy. Numbers have dropped on last years figures and will continue too do so and it's no wonder why.

At the end of the day, if a scoring system can alter depending when the possession was taken is nothing but a SCAM, it wasn't like this originally but its fast becoming a massive JOKE. It's now become a multi million dollar industry, where people pay $19.95 to become a SC gold member which doesn't include ALL live SC scores, if you want that luxury you have to become a Herald Sun + subscriber and fork out $24.95 per month.

The scoring system should stipulate in black and white as following for example: HANDBALL = 1, MARK = 1, KICK = 2, TACKLE =3, GOAL = 10, Winning GOAL in tight games = 30, CLANGERS = -3 and so forth. YES it stipulates some of this to a degree, however with all the unknown crap about the scoring system changes when possessions are taken during crucial or crunch time moments in a game is a load of CRAP and it has become CORRUPT without a shadow of a doubt. NO ONE now knows what the real scoring system is due to ALL of this, if you go by the scoring system on the SC website then this is BEYOND corrupt as many times the scores do NOT correlate simply going by the Super Coach scoring system.

Who and when determines what the score should be during so called "Crucial moments" in a AFL game, Does anyone know?
You got to remember there are many crucial moments during ONE given game let alone 9 of them.
Where does it stipulate under the SUPER COACH scoring system that when a kick, handball, tackle and so forth scores x amount of points when done during "Crucial moment" in a AFL game?
NO WHERE and why is that you may ask? The reason is because it's literally impossible for individuals to make these decisions let alone a computed system. For Gods sake even our third umpire doesn't even get it right all of the time, let alone a scoring system that is permitted to change the scoring depending whether a possession was taken during a crucial moment or not, it really does sound ABSURD.

It's becoming more evident week after week how ludicrous the Super Coach scoring system really works or for a better word "Lacks" working as a fair and equitable system for ALL individual players.

If someone has the link stipulating exactly how these Super Coach scores are formulated when possessions are made during these crucial moments it would be greatly appreciated if you could past it below.

Just remember I want this to be fair and equitable for us ALL as a community and unfortunately I don't feel that way at all.

Many thanks

mcleal10

k

Tophawk

Relax mate!

We are all in the same boat!

Gold Rush

Should not matter where or when you got a kick, handball, goal etc – should be the same points to eliminate the human factor opinions of who ever allocates the weightings on a players score. Put it this way, the winning goal would not of been the winning goal if a previous goal was not scored. A stuffed handball or kick is scored as a clanger.

Tigertanic

They already have that…it's called DreamTeam

Gold Rush

Dream team is different in many ways. But sc scoring has changed for the detriment of the game. Have no probe with some of the changes such as hit outs to advantage, but some of the changes are too subjective full stop.

Clunker

Spot on.

r2d2

Agree

Derek

I don’t know why I even bothered to read all that.

yurkins

NICE RANT.

Why dont you give ultimate footy a go next year along with your SC …. not better just clearer scoring for you. Just ensure its a category scoring league you join. The draft is also an interesting element.

man up buttercup

Can't handle the SC heat then go back to DT… but we all know DT is for chumps that like things easy. DT with your 2 trades per week and rewarding muppets who rack up the stats but cannot hit a target. Its a game for the kiddies.

@wheels_1987

ThingThatMakeUgoHmmm

pls

neilsy

The best post by far ever on jock reynolds. Great work.And I know your not whinging, dont listen to the other tossers.

Captain Pugwash

Biggs is a lock. Wasn’t traded to the club to play at the Scrays! (IMO)

Yep $200K but job security.

&&&&& Based on Bevo’s response to the Skin Flutes situation, looks like hell be back this week if he’s available.

murray

use footy star app, they give live SC and DT scores, sae you using sC gold or HS sub

r2d2

Last year footy live were not …. Only at end of matches would they put sc scores

r2d2

Footy star sorry

Will

Quite contridicting to say 30 points should be awarded for a winning goal whilst arguing that all stats should be the same no matter what time of the game. Lel.

Jack

Say smith plays this week, would these trades be good Miller to smith and fisher to Pendlebury.?

Bruds

I think pendles is a must for all teams but i'd wait on smith because he has freo and a rd 11 bye. I'd look to get smith in after his bye

Jack

Your points are smart but in my situation I feel it's the only thing I can do. I can't leave fisher on the bench, and I don't feel comfortable having Mckenzie on the ground and what is killing me is that i have no Pendlebury and that all Mckenzie, touik and CEY all scored bad scores. Smith I feel can be in the top 6 defenders and take out those 2 Ko games, his form proves it. And then I'll only have CEY to upgrade and I've got a full premium midfield. Risky, but hey SuperCoach is all about luck.

thewhale69

DO I SIT THIS WEEK ON TRADE PLEASE HELP THX
BACK: Houli Shaw, Hibberd , johnson Rampe Oxley ( Lever and McKenzie)
Mid: Fyfe , Pendlebury, Kennedy ,Stevens,, Priddis Dangerfield Saad Ellis ( Miller Heeney Steele)
Ruck: Goldstein, Bellchambers (cox)
FWD: Gray Martin, Martin Franklin ,Goddard Tarrant Krakouer (H Goddard and lambert) have $35,700

derek

you have a few non-playing rookies there, your strategy will change a lot if Steele and Goddard are named this week (likely)

TBC has to go. Need to find the cash to upgrade him soon. Most of the good rucks have already fallen in price and are now starting to increase again, so don't leave it to much longer to upgrade. (mummy, sauce, maric, blicavs, sandi)

mcleal10

Where should we be making the money for byes. Not that many good prospects coming apart from Hugh Goddard if named.

Bruds

I'm hoping Glenn returns for the suns but apart from that i can see Dale getting dropped any week now. Menadue could possibly be ok with Vickery doing his knee today but wait for teams

@wheels_1987

i agree with Brudds
look for derek's post re: upcoming rookies makes for a good read

Nick

Who will be the top 2 averaging rucks come seasons end?

Tigertanic

Wait a sec, let me just tell the future…

Clunker

It’s called an opinion.

jacob

Stef Martin ans Goldy I reckon.

yurkins

yep agree^^^^ maybe mummy the other option.

Nick

Cheers boys

Donavan

Goldy & Maric, Richmond are a different team with Deledio in.

@wheels_1987

Lobbe
Nic Nat

(closes eyes, hopes to the SC Gods this comes true)

Tom

Is it normal to have a few donuts on field during the byes?

Bruds

Definitely. You only need 18 scores so you can afford 4 donuts a round before you'll get a bye donut

skate or die

whats this talk of three trades a wk? am i missing something? you can only do two in supercoach right?

Bruds

during bye rounds you get 3 trades each week

skate or die

thanks

Dean

How does B Goodes go down $1600 when his break even was negative 3 prior to round 8, yet after round 8 he lost $1,600. WTF???

Bruds

He went up $17,100…

Dean

Yet Cripps Breakeven was 68 which is exactly what he scored in round 8 and his price increased by $8,200

Bruds

Are you on Fantasy or something other than supercoach because where are you reading $8,200? Cripps Went up by $500 and that would be because you can score 1.5 in supercoach for a handball and i think 4.5 for a hard ball get so cripps would have ended up on 68.5 points this round hence the $500 increase rather than staying the same price

Tigertanic

HAHA you guy!! You're on Supercoach Gold aren't you?

If you press the Projection button at the top, it shows you what it PREDICTS that player will score next round, and how that will affect his price. That's what you guys are seeing. Goodes is predicted to score 46 next week, which will make his price go down by $1,600. Cripps is predicted to score 104, which will make his price go up by $8,200.

Click on the player to see how much they have changed in price from the game just gone.

ps. lol

Sam Loy

There's a lot of D-bags on the forum tonight…

randomcliche

or a change in the magic number…./ corrupt vodoo witchcraft referred to above.

Dean

Cheers guys YES I apologise, I click on predictor and went by that rather then clicking on the players name.

Youngy

Just a question for those out there that would like to respond.

What is your team valued at and how many trades do you have left?

Bruds

20 Trades
Team value $12,550,000 approx
Ranked 4000

Tigertanic

19 Trades
Ranked 6446
Team Value approx $12,450,000

Derek

Ranked 116
22 trades left
$12,642,000

Swans2012

I thought I did well this week climbing nearly 1000 spots to 765, you must have killed it Derek! How many spots did you climb?

derek

Thanks Swans, I scored 2356 and jumped from 616 to 116th

I'd be top 20 now if it wasn't for my round 2 donut when I didn't have E of CEY to cover SMitch late out. Besides that been happy with season so far.

Swans2012

Cracking score! Ive been playing the “if only” game as well, one of my last decisions pre season was selwood and belchambers (r2) plus a bank or lachie Neale and goldy. YEp the selwood belchambers decision was a great one lol…..

Sc newby

Are the bundeena bunnies by any chance Derek????? I read your posts on here often but never realised we were in the same league lol.. May the luck be with the super harts this week, they've performed well enough to sit around 3000 but that's a far cry from 116
Not bad for my first crack tho and considering I started with newnes in d1
I would post my team but you will see it this w,e anyway
Again, good luck this weekend

Clunker

That makes Tigertonic look a touch ordinary.

Dingo

Ranked 8,904
$12,372,100
22 trades
Looking to pick up with judicious trades during byes but worried about lack of downgrade options

Swans2012

12.5 mil , 20 trades, rank 765

@wheels_1987

Team Name: Pnorkle900
Rank: 7,999
Total Score: 16,992 (Top 4%)
Team Value: $11,755,800
Trades Left: 20

Trades making this week = 0 (Hopefully)

@TheNoLanguage

Team value $12,364,900
20 trades
Rank 4000

Dean

21 Trades left and team value $12,375,000 Ranked 2,746

Nik

Been too long between Crouching nursery rhymes!

nathan

Agree

Dave

twinkle, twinkle, fallen sta…….

@wheels_1987

lol

@wheels_1987

horrible rhyming on this podcast from the crouching one, welcome

Jimmy

Thoughts on Elliot Yeo everyone? Not many options in defence

jacob

Not too late to jump on. I took the risk last week and I think it will really pay off. He is a super player and if he continues to play the same role as he is atm he will average 100+. High cieling with his goal kicking and contested marking ability. He seems to be able to do it all. For example, he only had 15 touches on the weekend but 3 goals, 7 tackles and a few contested marks boosted his score to 111. So even of he isn’t finding a heap of the pill (which I reckon he’ll do most weeks) he always has ways to score points.

CashCows

I would be a little cautious bringing him in. Here some food for thought.

This was from Fantasy Freako on twitter:
"Yeo attended 14 centre bounces prior to Selwood coming on as the sub. Only 4 after that compared to Selwood's 10. "

Locked and Loaded

Comparing him to a Nat Fyfe type player on SEN this morning. Need to start paying real attention. I just doubt he'll continue to score this well against the good sides

Jimmy

Interesting point but he actually scored better after Selwood came on, which says to me that he can score well no matter what role he plays. Was on 44 points at half time and ended up on 111. Took some nice contested marks playing on the wing and up forward after half time, and scored a couple of goals.

mcleal10

Suspended. I don't like his stye but could be worth a risk.

jacob

Touk Miller to Deledio this week for me. Lids has had a couple of awesome games and with a BE if 44 this is the time to jump on. That move also opens up the FWD/MID swingset which will be very handy in bye rounds. Anyone else keen on Lids?

Aled

ive had Brett for 3 years (traded him this year) and just letting you know that he can score big but he can also score poor more so when his tagged. I feel his price is to high for me but if you want to take a punt sure (-: he might keep it up for the rest of year.

jacob

Price too high? His price is 20k less than the start of the year. And I don't think 530k is too much for a bloke who has averaged 100+ for the past 7 years. I'm thinking the tigers will reach new heights for the rest of the season and you know what happens when the tigers are winning? Deledio scores big.

Aled

Like I said, he can have games where he doesn't score high so if he had few weeks of 70-90s don't cry about trading him out. I'm a Tigers fan man and we're still inconsistent . Winning yes but not consistent. If we beat Essendon then I'll say we are consistent . Deledio is to pricey for me. I picked up Parker, Rockliff and Barlow all under 500k and look what they're doing.

Clunker

Remember people…Hardwick said Deledio will have to be managed all season. So if you can “manage” without the bloke…go for it.

BKW

Well said

Jacob

True, thanks. Kinda forgot about that. I'll go to Dalhaus instead.

nathan

Not sold on lids
Can go big but most games only gets around 90
When tagged will score real poor
If yiu go martin yiu get the same perks as lids but is more consistent

JRod

Spot on, Deledio has had two big games (untagged) might not be such a myth that when he plays well Richmond play well. Some very tough games coming up and I expect teams to put a lot of work into stopping Deledio, also the management worries me, not to say he won't be in my side come the end of season just not high on my priority list ATM. My sights are on Dahlhaus after his bye round, some very good fixtures coming up.

nathan

Yeah dahlhaus is going to be my last forward to bring in before im trading premos for ultra premos

derek

I had delidio pencilled into my team, thinking his price might be lower than it is, I would consider if cheaper, but not happy paying over $500k. wait for bartell to come back.

@wheels_1987

great choice, good player

be mindful of round 11 bye and injury risk

Aled

I might cop some hate or insults but is trading your ass off in the bye rounds worth it? I mean you have 3 trades each week in the byes which you're potential losing 12 trades. Now even if you have a lot of money letter over to get all these premiums, you'll still have to downgrade highly priced rookies for lesser rookies which imo is bad. 1: there are not many rookies who are on the bubble who are looking like they will make money and hold their spot, I can't see any coming in the next few weeks who are at the stage of an Oxley, Saad, CEY, Miller etc so doing that is highly risky and what happens if you trade all those rookies out for ones who get dropped,vested or score bad scores. You'll have a high quality team full of premiums but either rookies on the bench who aren't scoring well or donuts and with less trades and rookies making no money making it that if a premium gets injured or rested, you'll have to put a dodgy rookie on and what if high priced rookies we have now play well all year? O'meara when he started got traded out when he lost a bit of price yet he still got 90+ all year, same with Dom Tyson last year. That's why I'll be sticking to my regular season outlook with the byes. 1 up, 1 down and if there aren't no good options. I'll keep the proven rookies I have. Rather have an Oxley who will lose. Money and play and score well then a donut or poor scoring player that I've wasted a trade on .

derek

this is where having DPP players in your team, strategically linked, separates the good players from the average players.

remember last year, using Martin in ruck, he was able to cover 3 lines.

H Goddard is perfect example, he should get a game soon, but even if he doesn't he is a perfect DPP link to have. he is already in my structure.

as the year progresses, you need to have full premium and at least one good DPP backup (ziebell/TMitch type) and have good DPP links across all your lines to switch players around to cover any injuries.

There are plenty of Rookies who will get games in the next 4-5 weeks.

Steele, Blakely, Kolodjashnij, H Goddard, Scharenberg, Moore, Laverde, Viojo-rainbow are all close to getting a game.

There are Stretch, Glen20 & mcbean already had a game or two will get more games.

There will be Lamb & Lambert coming back from injury soon, even Nelson, Anderson, Towers & Cockatoo around $155k are still rookie priced

getting cash cow rookies after round 14 is useless

Locked and Loaded

Derek are yo saying to bring theses guys in now before they are even named?? I don't quite follow

derek

I'm just saying that they will appear! have faith.

McBean (RIC) will be a good option

I'm hoping to have a full premium team by round 13 and have 9 or 10 trades left. That will cover me for injuries and rucks who get rested (I have no ruck cover). Any rookies you bring in after round 14 you won't have a chance to cash them in, it will waste a trade and most of your trades after round 14 will be sideways

brook

totally agree on trading plan … i am following a similar approach. riewoldt named mcbean as cover for vickery so could be a solid option … most rookies are ok if they play 6-7 games

@wheels_1987

with Vickery's knee, McBean is an interesting prospect

dominates VFL level

didn't have the best game against Collingwood, but he demands a decent defender and with Ben Griffiths absolutely becoming a beast and Jack reiwoldt showing awesome form, McBean could be a great option. better than Dale from bulldogs. for McBean i would give him until he plays second game though.

@wheels_1987

good write up mate

Aled

like you said the more smarter experienced players will know about ddps. I had Hugh at the start but had to got rid of him for Oxley. His a good choice but I'm not going to say his one to go until he plays and plays a few games. Fishers out so he should be close but until his named I'm not backing him. That's a good structure but what if you use all your the majority of your trades in the byes and then few get injured and rested and no bench cover? They have to play first. How many times we see rookies play then dropped? Carlton is prime example of playing then dropping rookies . They're not looking like players who will score well or play a lot, I hope we get some like Oxley,saad, CEY type of rookies. It would be pretty useless getting those up and coming rookies in the bye rounds only for them to get dropped and score bad and then rolling the dick hoping your ddps help with stuff all trades but each to their own.

@wheels_1987

No hate here mate, and its a good discussion point

Coming into and during the bye rounds, some of the bigger rookie names yet to play will get a game in my opinion.

I'm now holding my trades for this period to finalize my team and ensure i have full premo team with a few $$$ to spare.

You definitely don't need to use 3 trades per week, its all about your team structures and who you want in your team

randomcliche

note, to self don't type P!ss poor performance, the administrator deleted my post 🙂

not so much bang bang as machine gun fire, 18 trades to use from this week going forward, $12.8m. Steadily climbing rank (current 8.5k) from an embarrassingly low rank.

Motsy

Guys, if the drug business goes bad for Essendon, what will happen?

Play out the season?
Terminate mid season and we deal with it?
Terminate mid season and dons prices change?
Terminate mid season and we get free trades? (I hope not).

I've intentionally not had any essendon players in my team this year, just in case.

Anyone know?

OldOcker

The inquiry will not happen until the season finishes, Probably December.

@wheels_1987

should Essendon have not had any drug issues i would have had Heppell as a lock
should they get through this by the end of next season hepell will be a lock

but regardless of what happens, whilst the investigation goes on avoid bombers at all cost (except a couple of the new rookies)

nathan

Wouldnt worry about it
No conviction till after the season

Marco_Polo94

2214 this week which I'm happy with considering some of the scores i had on field. Over the moon with my 2 trades last week, Cripps to Rocky and Adams to Jacobs (which allowed me to swing TBC to forwards), netting me approximately 150 points! Not too sure I will be trading this week. Hogan, Clark, Tarrant and CEY are all on the chopping block but still have some value to accrue. I have Brown out back who i am dying to downgrade but not sure there are any viable options at the moment. Need 4 upgrades to get to full premium, feeling good moving into the top 2% this round. Good luck for the week community!

Rick Grimes

Who are you classing as a premo? TBC certainly isn't.

Marco

He’s on my bench mate! 100% not a premo aha

Rob

Who do me trade McIntosh for?

Can go any position due to dpp.

I have 150K in the bank.

Ethan

Dont have many options with the cash you have, look at some fallen premos in defence like hibberd and smith

Swans2012

Hibberd, 405k, lots of upside

@wheels_1987

I'm holding Kmac for the next couple.
BE is only in the 40's which he can easily make
no good options to downgrade too and Kmac hasn't reached his max yet

nathan

Im holding till something pops up or round 11 bye

Charlesy

Hi Community. Jack Steele from GWS at $117 grand may be the answer to your prayers. Mid/forward and looks like playing soon. Risky I know but may help you if you need a double trade to get your premos in.

Ethan

if he is selected most likely he will be green vested

@wheels_1987

the canberra cannonball will get a game soon. was in my starting line-up pre season. absolute beast. i will get him as soon as he gets the green light

nathan

Absolutely be getting a game soon
Has had a couple of 30+ possie games in a row
I was pretty keen at the start of the year but wasnt named so i moved on

derek

I hear that he is very close. it is just hard to get a game at GWS at the moment. DPP player as well, he will be a must have.

nathan

Yeah thats it he might get a game but they are playing real well atm so i dont think he’ll stay in the side for too long unless he kills it

@wheels_1987

i think once GWS loose a game he will come in.. never a good thing to omit players when your team is winning

Leon

Who should I trade out of: Oxley, KMac, Cripps, Tarrant, CEY.
Or do I hold all?
Help would be great.
Thanks

Ethan

It would be wise to hold oxley and kmac due to a lack of defenders.
Tarrent should go first as his BE is potentially unreachable,
CEY and cripps should be held for as long as possible as you will need a downgrade option

@wheels_1987

hold all mate
give em all one more week and hopefully some more options will open up

@wheels_1987

ive had another think about this one mate, and i still feel the same. HOLD this week and see what happens.
They could very well all hit there BE, which will get you to round 10. hold again into r11 byes and go BANG BANG BANG, up and down like in back of Moonlight Sonata

Major Mooseknuckles

Stay away from bloody buddy franklin… Rumoured as well as reported by Newscorp. to be playing under injections.

@wheels_1987

i was looking at him but with a BE of 100 i will wait another week. most liekly will be rested if he is on injections so could be a post bye option. thanks for the heads up

nathan

Yeah big talks thats he is struggling with a fair bit of pain so stear clear i think
I was gonna pick him up 2 weeks ago
Glad i went goddard instead

derek

I saw an interview with Crawford and he said that Buddy's ankle is not good.

Tom

During byes we only need to field 18 players, right?

what happens if we have all 22 playing on field? is it the highest 18 scores?

derek

The highest 18 on-field. if you have 20 players on-field that scored, you take the best 18 of them.

This means you can't have an emergency score points. If you have 7 defenders who are playing and only 5 midfield, you won't be able to use your 7th defender score.

Tophawk

Yep only 18 players on the field during the byes. My goal is to have 20-22 playing guys on the field during the 3 weeks of the byes. There are always a couple of guys that spud it up each round. Like Tarrant (36) and Goldy (44). If you have 20 guys playing, then at least you can be assured that Tarrant's and Goldy's scores will not be counted and you your score will be a lot more competitive each week.

derek

In the words of Jock, "the rookies will appear". Jock said this before the first round when we couldn't find any rookies in defence, and sure enough, McIntosh, saad & Oxley came to our rescue.

There are plenty of Rookies who will get games in the next 4-5 weeks.

Steele, Blakely, Kolodjashnij, H Goddard, Scharenberg, Moore, Laverde, Viojo-rainbow are all close to getting a game.

There are Stretch, Glen20 & mcbean already had a game or two will get more games.

There will be Lamb & Lambert coming back from injury soon, even Nelson, Anderson, Towers & Cockatoo around $155k are still rookie priced.

We will find our downgrades!!!!

Locked and Loaded

Cleared up my earlier question lol. So what you were saying above is theres no reason to bring in a rookie after round 14 as a cash cow but purely a downgrade option to build the chest? Whic is spot on

derek

The rookies you are going to be bringing in over the next few weeks, it is unlikely that you will be able to trade them out before the end of the year. it is likely that they will sit on your bench for the rest of the year. If they generate cash, great, but it maybe to late to be able to cash them in.

We need to cash in the rookies we have now. I still have Saad, McIntosh, Lever, CEY, Krak, McKenzie, Miller, Cripps, Tarrent & Clark.

having bench cover is important, but with the use of good DPP players you won't need to have many.

nathan

Yeah we need to cash in but we will still need cover too
So people just need to make sure they dont pick the cheapest for the extra 5/6k

Dee

what is everyone's opinion on M. Hibberd? Scored 116 this week, maybe he is slowly finding form and is really cheap @ $406K. BE of 51, he is only going to go up from here on and is a perfect example of a fallen premium going down over $100K last week. It's either him or J. Lewis @ $538K, he's BE is still 117 and maybe thinking of grabbing him next week…… thoughts please community, appreciate it!

Locked and Loaded

Have had him all year seemed to get his mojo back was running well off half back and provided an option evry time the ball was being rebounded back out. Hopefully that was his turning point,

@wheels_1987

i am staying away from DEF upgrades at this point but Hibberd is as good a choice as any this season.
my first upgrade will be Malceski once he plays another game and bottoms out

BKW

Aren’t you worried about malceski’s dodgy knees? Very risky

@wheels_1987

yea i am.
but im hoping this time off,
plus waiting for him to bottom out with 2 games (current BE of 150) means i should have enough data on him by then to make a judgement on his fitness / knees and he will be below $400k

plus Ox and Saad, as far as im concerned are keepers in my team at this stage and should they keep scoring the way they are it will be hard to get them out of my team.

Dee

Agreed…

nathan

Im an essendon supporter and hibberd has started to play his running game over the last couple of weeks so i can see him start scoring like he did this week more often then not

Dee

I have to agree with all of you, thanks for sharing your thoughts lads…. I'll just have to do a double upgrade next week, hopefully J. Lewis doesn't go up too much.

AaronMagpie

i would grab lewis rd 12

Shemm

thoughts on lids low BE and going off his tits. or should i look to danger simpson or kelly

@wheels_1987

look for lids post bye
im a tiger man and i wouldnt be surprised to see him rested or snot vested mid game to manage his achillies

that said, he is a gun and if we hear no injury concerns LOCK

keep checking in on richmondfc.com.au

Tom

What is happening with Lumumba?

SCaddict

Only doing what he knows best and that's being an ordinary Supercoach player sorry to say. Has only averaged more than 80 in a solitary season so has never been fantasy relevant really.

Will probably need to be traded to a proper premo at some point perhaps during his Rd13 bye.

Dee

Lumamba = BURNMAN 2015

Antonio

Lumumbu to Hibberd. Is that a good trade?

@TheNoLanguage

Solid trade

@wheels_1987

im holding him in the hope that he can pull his finger out.

not liking my chances but who knows. just like Melbourne he could come out and do something

AaronMagpie

traded Lumumba to Picken few weeks ago happy as

Sarah

This year sure is an average year!! Hoping my team can start performing soon.
Two upgrades this week:

N Brown to B Smith
Cripps to Selwood

I know Smith still has a relatively high BE (and I can afford a round 11 bye player in my backline, is actually better for it) but I think he's cheap enough and after a week's rest will start to show his early season form again.

Boy this year is tough.

nathan

Im looking at smith too
Hoping he shows what we know he can do