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Rocky.
This man is a huge talking point leading into round 8 community
But he isn’t the only significant talking point coming into the round. What should we do with Griffen? Is it time for Oxley to be traded out? What about Aaron Vandenberg?
Enjoy the podcast folks – looking forward to the chin wag action below
Who to loop hole, Pendels or priddis
If Priddis can nearly score 200 against Gold Coast, imagine what Pendles could score…
Pendlebury, doesn't seem like Gold Coast are tagging players
Pendles has a milestone game should go big!
im going Selwood.
Hes had a couple of quiet weeks and im hoping for a 125+ on the big stage friday night
Be wary of Carlton tagging players. I reckon Selwood and Johnson will both be tagged.
What to do with jack Lonie? Underpriced, high BE and nowhere to go. Help please?
Not playing this week, hold for a better option next week imo
Or use for a mid trade via swinger?
I'm keeping him for this week. Emergency loophole with Clark and Tarrant.
I am keeping him this week and downgrading to dale next week depending on dales’ game. He should only miss a week or two so if dale has a stinker then I will keep. If he comes back and loses money then I will take the loss and wait for a suitable rookie replacement. There just no suitable downgrade options at the moment and even if he loses 50 grand you will still make in between 50 and 100 with the next rookie that comes through. He has reasonable JS as well so he could even end up recovering the money he lost.
Got to go if possible
Thanks guys, could us a DPP like krakour but even then there are no real suitable options, probably keep him until I find a better rookie.
Jack Steele from GWS is a mid fwd .$117k. Has been named emg last 2 weeks, if your in a pickle he may help. Sounds like he's been ripping it up in the 2s
Keep lonie
hold mate
bad situation but dont want to make it worse buy doing a silly trade
Is Tom Rockliff still a trade in option next week?
If he scores 110-120 how much will he rise?
Sorry guys
I went too early
He will only rise 20k if he scores 120
his be is 110-120. so nothing if not go down a little
His BE is 79
That is his fantasy BE – he will start to go up this week
Okay so:
I've gone Sloane to Rockliffe (Unless someone has some inside information that Sloane will be back within a week or 2)
This leaves me with 350k in the bank and able to upgrade any rookie to anyone. Do I:
– Go the Vandenburg to JPK trade (110k left over)
– Or do I sure up my back line and go K. McIntosh to Mcdonald? (55k left over)
Both trades have their merit, and I am slightly leaning towards the second option. Anyone agree with me?
JPK for mine.
JPK
JPK
JPK, you might find McDonald cheaper soon
McDonald. Mids are a dime a dozen.
Sloan to rocky is good, even if Sloan plays next week he has dropped 100k and has a HUGE BREAK EVEN so we will get him super cheap after the byes
Thanks for the comments guys, I am going to make the JPK move. Saad being back helps sure up my defence for another couple of weeks and I'll look to get McDonald down the track, hopefully at a slightly cheaper price.
Who is higher priority to trade out Brody Grundy or Garrick ibbotson?? Thinking ibbo to birch or Grundy to sauce Jacobs
Cheers community
Why trade out Grundy?
Not sure how Ibbo's been doing but not a fan of trading either out.
Your team must be pretty good if you're considering trading one of those two
Trading ibbotson is a wasted sideways trade. He didn’t score too well last week in a freo team who went kinda close to losing to the dogs. Think of why you brought him into your team in the first place. Hold him for now
i say hold both
selwood or watson up from vandenberg next week?
Selwood
Selwood
Selwood
Selwood would be more reliable
Selwood
Buddy or Tom Mitchell?
Buddy purely because he's guaranteed a game, but hard to split them
Toss a coin mate
to make it easier i will choose
Heads = Buddy
Tails – Titch
Hey Jock, where's Da Mad Irishman?
Been missing his trade wisdoms and would love to hear from him before the byes.
He is in hiding after the Savage recommendation.
Seriously though his articles are thorough so must be hard with a full time job.
Should I bust the war chest (more like a man bag size in reality) early to bring in Selwood & Rocky for Lonie & Vandenberg?
Immediately
Yes!
Both good upgrades, you'd want to bring in premiums sooner rather than later.
Thanks for the replies fellas! Have a feeling in my waters that Selwood will go mental tomorrow night against The Blues. My slip him in and get the VC right on him!
Tom Mitchell or Luke Parker?
Parker. He has the runs on the board.
Parker
Not even close. Parker. Parker. Still at a low price.
Yes the S.S. Titch set sail last week for those who jumped aboard. Parker is the better deal this week all things considered.
Parker…daylight then Mitchell. 😉
Thinking of putting Buddy in instead of Rockliff, thoughts?
Toying with that idea myself Ryan! Not sure about having Buddy, Mitchell and Parker though?
It all depends on your bye structure (if you care about the byes). My thinking is Buddy will likely be a Top 6 FWD and has bottomed out, while Rockliff will not be Top 8 MID. After reading that Rockliff isn't fully training and is still in pain, along with the fact he hasn't scored over 100 this season, I think it's too early to bring him in. If Rockliff gets 130+ this week, I'll bring him in next week for 20k more, not a big deal. Buddy will explode
Ryan, I think at this stage of the season it's important to stop thinking about top 8 mids, top 6 fwds and instead to think about who will score the most points in the rounds that are left.
Francis is right to say Rocky may not be in the top 8 mids overall but from now on in he has a good chance of achieving that based on his previous scores.
I'd take Rocky over Buddy myself.
I'm doing that, Ryan. Fortifying the forward line.
Going Tmac and Buddy for Oxley and Vandy (moving Krak to mids).
Not sold on Rocky in this new Lions team. 2015 Rocky isn't 2016 Rocky. Need a new lens to see him. Just like everyone needed a new lens for post-surgery Ablett.
going Vdenberg and Griffen to Rockliff and de Goey (purely for cash)
I only had 31,600 in the bank before so now i have got 162,100
only other concerns: b smith, simpson, kmac, oxley, wallis, cripps (getting dear), lonie, salem, clark and also tarrant
I'd be careful of De Goey. Expensive rookie at 200k, massive sub risk and borderline best 22.
Vandenberg > Rocky
Oxley > Lever
Hold Sloane until next week (to get more info on injury)
or
Sloane > Rockliff
Vandenberg > Lever through DPP
or any other options?
First option. You end up with the same team on the field irrespective of whether you trade Sloane or Vandenberg and there is a high change that Vandenberg will lose more money this week. No harm in holding Sloane another week (and may mean you don't need to trade him if he comes back earlier than expected).
Need some wise words from the community…which option is best…
1) Lonie and vandenburg for goddard and rockliff
Or
2) Griffin and Vandenbrug for goddard (swing into fwds) and rockliff /// leaving lonie on bench
If griffin isn’t gonna be in your final team, ditch him now and take the cash. No point trading out Lonie just yet. His price won’t drop as he’s not playing this week
Oxley and vanderberg traded out for lever and robbie Gray a good move?
Oxley has busted out a 140+ this year. Don’t think his price has peaked just yet. Will be holding onto him at least until the byes. Collingwood have Gold Coast and Melbourne before then
Fair point just reversed then traded lumumba and vanderberg for Gray and lever
I think those are great trades. Oxley is pretty close to his peak – only his the hundreds twice this year and the rest of the scored have been mediocre at best – time to take his cash
Sorry Lekdog, love your advice, but you don't think Burgoyne increased scoring the last couple of weeks is purely based on Hodge and Lewis out? A round 11 bye, getting up there with age, can't think of any reasons to even consider him.
Who's the #1 FWD to bring in? (I have Gray, Goddard and Martin)
Definitely goddard
He has Goddard.
I’d get Buddy if you don’t have him. He’s around 470k and hasn’t really gotten ahold of any teams just yet and is still averaging nearly 94. He’ll be a 100+ average by the end of the year. Can see him being a top 6 forward
Swan
Ryder as a semi POD
lids
To the caller who said Yeo is a key position player, clearly you have never seen a West Coast game this season. Yeo and Wellingham seem to have switched roles moving Yeo to the mids and Wellingham half back and i doubt Simpson will change whats working. With McGovern out and Yeo still having a midfield role seems like a solid pick.
absolutly spot on, Yeo would have been playing on the wing but he's so good inside that we need to use his ability to contest the footy
Jock did ignore that comment which was nice.
Dont want to beat down a member of the community
But i can see Jocks point of View
Yeo is a high mid pricer and with that comes the risk.
anyone picking Yeo must do so with sound reasoning and a clear plan. dont just follow the pack
I think we will agree to disagree, mate. However, his performance in the midfield has been quite impressive.
Jonesy 🙂 Best of luck this weekend.
Another benifit for people to consider is Yeo's round 11 bye (not shared by many Premos) and his DPP status (very helpful during bye rounds) My query on Yeo was will he be getting extended midfiled time for the rest of the year and listening to many Adam Smipson interviews this week im quietly confident that he will. Simpson has said Yeo will only go down back as a last resort option (i.e injury)
Im aware of the risks but im jumping on!
Doesn't Yeo have his bye in Round 13?
Went Vandenberg to Rocky and Hogan to Tom Mitchell. Still got myself around 220k in the bank and looking to maybe bring in Lewis next week if he hits around 520k. Also keeping an eye on Sloane as I want him back in at some point. He’ll drop under 500k when he comes back which is cheap as chips for him.
It’s good to have CEY and Cripp$ available again. Show me the money
Jock, you got me thinking more about the rockliff trade now…
65k(?) increase isn’t a whole lot more to get him after his bye.
BUT can you afford to miss out on his scoring output whilst you wait?
His output has been minimal and there is no evidence that it's going to increase, just speculation. Sure, based on last year you'd back him to come right. But until I actually see evidence of that, I'll hold. And if I pay an extra $50k for him, so be it.
million $ question
im bringing him in my team beause it fits my structure and i was always going to get him no matter what when he bottomed out in price
if you can justify it, get him this week but if you have a plan and getting rocky in ruins that plan, then forget him this week.
imagine if he gets knocked out again for a sub 20 – 30 score. its a real risk and everyone will be holding their breath hoping he doesnt get another concussion or broken rib
Best rookie mid available?
Need a downgrade for VDB…
None. Why not just upgrade him? 140k or so gets you Rockliff or Tom Mitchell
De goey looks ok
stretch seems to keep his place but risks green vest
117k would be made off going vandenberg to de goey. Not worth it IMO
Well, I would upgrade him, but I want to trade Salem to Deledio.
Lids has a BE of 119
hold on lids this week, see how he scores and how his achillies is
VBD must be an upgrade
Isn't Lids DPP? You could get him for VDB.
Also community, is bringing in Robbie gray at 600k the wrong move due to his price?
He’s probably gonna increase again this week. Will end up being the #1 ranked forward. Why EVERY team didn’t have him in their initial squad is beyond me.
You do the math
x 2. Get the Gray train in your forward line this week mate. You'll thank yourself once you see those solid 100+'s every week.
Didn’t put him in initial team as had to choose between pendles and gray.
And pendles in 9 seasons has avg 108. And his first two seasons were his only two where he didn’t avg +103. As opposed to gray who in 8 seasons has only once avgd over 91 (career avg Of 80). And has only twice played all 22 games in a season. And with a starting price of 600k two bad games would easily drop his price a decent amount – that was roughly my thinking at start of season anyways more or less. (I did also make the mistake on gambling on ablett who took a large chunk of my funds)
And cheers for the replies
Is it too much to bring Tmac at his price or should save the money else where and go value for money such as Yeo or Thurlow
Tyler has some sound advice
i would take note
What about Josh Gibson? Lake and Frawley are back, which will release Gibbo to do what he does best. He is $479k.
Great call im goin to wait 1 more week to get Gibson in BE 117 hoping he drops a little more this week.
VC on selwood or pendles??
I'd go Pendles for his 200th
i went selwood
both are due for a big one
but im looking for safety and friday night VC option makes sure i dont forget or get distracted throughout the saturday
the best is when ya Fyfes and Pendles have a Sunday game, means i can throw back a few frothies on the saturday and not worry about missing a C option
PENDALS
Hey Community I have a dilemma this week with only scoring a 2,101 last week and I currently have 21 trades.
Here is my team, not sure what to do this week.
Back- Shaw, Taylor, Oxley, Ibbotson, McIntosh, McKenzie (Lever, Hamling)
Mid- Fyfe, Priddis, Selwood, Griffen, Lewis, Miller, Cripps, Krakouer (Vandenberg, Saad, Ellis-Yolmen)
Ruck- Goldstein, Naitanui ( Read)
Forward- Swan, Goddard, Gray, Martin, Franklin, Tarrant ( Hogan, Clark)
I am currently ranked 8,879 and would really appreciate any advice what to do this week.
Was thinking of Rocky or Parker this week but I only have a lousy $150,300 in the bank.
Thinking of going vand to rockliffe and oxley to a rookie via dpp to generate some cash.This leaves me with 260k for double upgrade next week. Which rookie would i bring inlooking at the bulldog player and the richmond mid rookie.
Thanks for your help.
Trades for this week look good, hard to get a read on the two rookies you mentioned. If they get named next week then they could be solid selections.
If you can wait a week to see Dale (WBD) play another game I'd do that. Why not just go Vanders to Rockliff this week and hold on the rookie downgrades until next week? Ellis (Richmond) has been named on field so at least that means he isn't a sub risk although I'm not sold on his spot in that side. If you really want to make two trades this week then Ellis is probably the option over Billy Stretch (Melbourne) if he's named – he's on the extended bench this week. I think I'll be trading Ellis in as I'm in the same boat as you with already having Lever but not having enough to straight swap Vanders to anyone and he needs to go this week. I'm not sure you need to go for a double upgrade next week, keep in mind that you need some cash in the bank for the byes… I also quite like keeping Oxley as he has a soft run until his bye and has shown he has scoring potential.
I could get rid of ibbo instead of oxley instead if thats better
My final mids fyfe pendles selwood lewis parker sloane. And two of
Should I upgrade Lumumba to R. Murphy or Rance?
I would hold Lumumba up to the byes at least. Also don't think either of those options as the have high breakevens so would give it a couple weeks. But out of the two would pick Bob Murphy
You've held him this long that you may as well hold the bastard to his favourable Rd13 bye and then finally rid yourself of the gift at that point.
Most coaches would probably be better served upgrading in the midfield this week with all the bargains around right now.
Hey guys,
just going to use the one trade this week,
vandenberg out, but who to?
Mcdonald, rockliff, parker, or mitchell
can have anyone on any line under 540k
undecided at the moment and would love the help!
I would take Parker I think McDonald and Mitchell are now overpriced and haven't seen enough from Rockliff this year yet.
I'm going from the Hindenburg disaster to Parks myself and will then snap up Rocky once he can show me he's back to tonning up.
Parker is in red hot form now and with a BE of just 42 should be significantly more expensive next week so this is definitely the week to jump on if you fancy him.
I’m holding out on Rocky and putting PARKER in this week. Rocky either next week or after his bye. Thoughts on this move? Most are putting in JPK or Selwood. My opinion is PARKER from here on in can average more than both of them.
I like Parker more than Rocky, I just need one big score from Rocky to show that his injury isn't affecting him too much.
Some short memories in community, he was the bane of every coaches existence 2 weeks ago
Had him all last year was my best player a couple of bad scores doesn’t scare me
I'm with you mate. I will bring in Rocky probably next week.
Vandenberg down to lever for me this week (via Mckenzie )…… And may not use a 2nd , trying too save trades …. And happy to keep ox and k Mac for couple more weeks , as well as Cripps and CEY
Mid currently …. Fyfe Pendles Parker danger Griffen Lewis Cripps CEY ( vandenberg lambert krak)
I'm in the same boat re: trades, it's even forcing me to think of keeping Saad and Oxley long term. Im down to 18 trades (thanks to multiple injuries to premos). My team now consistently puts out 2200+ scores so fingers crossed I can sit on this squad for a few weeks (injuries permitting).
Although Lever's scoring output doesn't really excite me, I think he's worth the downgrade just for his JS. Rookies with JS are going to become rarer as the season grinds on.
This week thinking of going Salem to JPK via DPP and Vandenberg to Lever via DPP.
Have 350k in the bank before the trades.
Thoughts?
Thoughts on Mitch Robinson as a F5 or F6 option. He's got history of knocking out some really big scores, a few stinkers in there too, but I feel like the depth of the Brisbane midfield might help take the pressure off him so he can be more consistent. Has scored 113, 89 and 106 in their last 3, reckon he's definitely worth considering especially if you're after a PoD in your forward line.
Not for me Azza. Just too much downside with a player like Robbo. He's had a decent month for sure but nonetheless has only averaged 83 for the season which is well below what you would look for in a forward.
Also historically he's been both an injury and suspension risk and in fact hasn't played 20 games of footy since 2011.
So many better options out there even for say just another $30K or $40K like a Buddy, Titch, Pav, Motlop or Ziebell.
Should I trade Salem and hogan to rocky and lever or hogan and griffen to beams and lever and get rocky in a week or two
DEF
McIntosh, K $262,400 $+12,600 RICNext: PTA
MID
Priddis, M $591,600 $+48,600 WCENext: STK
FWD
Clark, M $283,800 $+21,700 GEENext: CAR
DEF
Houli, B $552,900 $+12,900 RICNext: PTA
Keep TBC for ruck cover? Or ditch for the money….Goldy and Mummy in rucks.
Would hold him until a decent rookie appears on the bubble unless you already have the cash to upgrade him to a proven premo in which case you can pull the trigger now.
I'm converting him this week to a ruck premo myself.
yep dumped him a couple of weeks ago to POD Martin…
I've never been a fan of the ruck cover strategy. Unless TBC is sitting on your bench, I think you're doing yourself out of points. Of course, now I said that Mummy is going to break down….
Although many of the rucks have been disappointing scoring wise, we've been lucky this year with ruck injuries….i hate having TBC in my team but whenever I think of trading him I just remember the carnage I had in my rucks last year and how many trades it cost me. It's bound to happen again sooner or later.
If TBC is in your R3 then yes its a bit of an issue
but F6 or F7 i think you should be fine. If not over the byes you can upgrade him to ryder
keep him until you can upgrade him to Ryder
http://live-footy.heraldsun.com.au/teamlineup/ind…
Brian Lake and Jake Lloyd (among others, maybe) unavailable despite being named. Unlucky sods.
How many round 12 bye players are in people's teams? I assume almost everyone has Fyfe and Swan as well as a fair swag of other players (JPK, Parker, Goddard, Watson, Saad, Oxley, Newness, Pearce, Hibberd, Neale, Mundy, etc). I am looking at the byes and getting worried with all this talk of Parker, JPK, Titch, Buddy and Goddard as popular targets these the last two weeks…
Think you answered your own question. A lot of teams have these players, therefore we'll all be in the same boat come round 12. Unless you go against the grain and avoid upgrading to any of these popular picks. That is certainly a viable strategy, gets you a POD and possibly a points jump during the byes. I always start the season with a bye strategy and then scramble a couple of weeks out. Oh well.
I have a very colourful spreadheet that has it all worked out.
I have 14 round 12 players, but only 6 round 11 players. (I'm not counting my R3 or H Goddard)
will bring in Lever & Jacobs for Oxley & TBC this week, this will make it 12 for round 12 and 8 for round 11.
Will go 1 trade next week, Cripps to Rocky (they are both Round 11 bye players.
McIntosh, K to Priddis, M Clark, M to Houli, B
Adams to Rockliff, Cripps to Jacobs BANG BANG
Anyone else concerned about the lack of rookies on the horizon, let alone bubble?
Yes, the number & quality of rookies on the horizon is diminishing.
Got to ride the original rookies to near their full value, can't believe the amount of people talking of trading half plump rookies like CEY, Cripps, Krak, etc.
Yes
🙁
I have a full playing list this week.
many rookies will fatten up this week, coming off a great score last time they played.
CEY
Saad
Miller
Cripps
Tarrent
Even my other rookies are set to increase in price if they can score ok
Mckenzie
McIntosh
Clark
Have already got rid of Hogan, Salem & Vandenberg, and Oxley is going this week.
I think I need at least another $900k increase in my rookies to reach full premium, this could happen in the next 3 weeks.
Yes. But some potentials maybe playing this week (Dawson and Edwards) and hopefully Steele finally gets a well deserved run soon.
I think it's always like this Rick, hopefully a few will pop up soon.
What you can do is keep an eye on who is getting named on the emergency lists, who's doing well in the magoos, who's getting talked about in the press, who was talked about preseason.
In short, do some research on who you think will get game time at some point even if they're not actually playing at the moment.
Steele, Goddard, Dawson, Edwards, Ellis, Lambert, and Maynard are all on my list of potential downgrades.
That exactly why I've downgraded to this week. Not great scores but good JS considering nothing much else is on the rookie horizon.
to *Lever
Is there any rookie defends other than lever to bring in?
At a better price too?
Bought in mckenzie last week
Cheera
nah mate, nothing
me personally im holding on Lever
im waiting for the next set of rookies to be on the b ubble
Great stuff boys loving it.
is rocky a must this week community????
Cheers.
in the podcast Jock says he isnt a Must
but if you dont get him you need to be able to explain why and have a solid plan
I think his ribs are pretty sore and he is playing injured.
He will still score better than his price, but I'm not convinced of the big scores until he is 100% fit. The more he plays and the less rest, the longer it will take to get back to 100%. I'm getting him after his bye round.
everything your saying is true and makes sence
theres really no right answer
either option is a good one. one thing everyone agrees on is that he is a LOCK at some point this season
The only reason I'm considering him is his price. I didn't have him in my plans at all until his price dropped below $480k. (Sam Mitchell Starting price) to good not to consider.
We know how the output of players when they are carrying an injury – poor (Zorko etc). Honestly, he shouldn't be playing!
Was thinking Touk miller to rocky after rocky's bye
G'day Community,
Ready to trade Vandenberg, have $335k in the bank so can afford my pick of the bunch, thinking i can get rockliff in next week for Cripps, already have Fyfe, Gray, Ward….. Suggestions on who to bring in???
Cheers
Nice problem to have, kinnas. Check out player averages and go with your gut
Gibbs will av over 100 from here on great choice great price!!
i like the positivity being generated here
anyone else with some kind words???
Top 6-8 forwards by season end?
SWAN
GODDARD
GRAY
D.SMITH
MARTIN
and a smoky
J REIWOLDT
hopefully my final team will be:
Goddard, Swan, Dusty, Gray, Bartel, Buddy
Would be interested to hear your justification, wheels. His scoring has been very up and down and Carlton's next 4 is Geelong, Sydney (A), Adelaide, Port Adelaide.
If you're desperate to trade Hogan to a midpricer the piece on Ziebell in the week was a nice read.
My only justification is as follows
Bottomed out in price
Low BE
POD
and
He cant possibly do any worse can he????
It was either him or Kieran Jack as i dont have any Syd players except for T.MITCHEL
Ripping podcast as always gents, thanks for the kudos.
Rocky a must, just get him in.
Guys i reckon we hold off rockcliff till at least next week, he wont go up too much and will still be a bargain. not overly convinced.. i want to see how he goes this week. i reckon we get in Parker, break even is lower , will go up in money this week and is great form. better option this week than rockcliff
what do you guys think?? jock?
If you have the cash then I agree. I however don’t have the cash so I will bring in rocky
Need a bit of help guys
Team is
backs – shaw oxley newnes kolojasni (however you spell it) mcintosh, saad, n. brown hamling
mids – fyfe, pendles, beams, selwood, parker, griffen, mller, cripps, vanbenberg, yolmen, mckenzie,
rucks – goldy, maric
fwds – swan, goddard, d.martin, gray, tarrant, krakour, salem, m.clark
with only 60k in the bank i need to cull someone to make some cash for a upgrade which im really unsure on
looking to bring in rocky when he shows a decent score
can anyone gimme some advice who to bring in and get rid of now?
24 trades left
salem has to go.
Vandenberg & Oxley are near their price top, if you were looking to cash them in it would be this week. (Oxley has some nice games coming up, so maybe Vandenberg to go.
You have some nice rookies that have plenty of cash to be made yet, CEY, Cripps (one more week only), Saad, McKenzie, McIntosh, Krak, Clark, tarrent, miller….all great rookies and all going up in value. Hold them for now.
Priority would be to get a premium defender. not many standouts, who is on your wish list for defence, get one of them that have bottomed in price and lock them in.
Midfield can be upgraded as you cull the cows.
possibly salem > mcinnes then vandenberg > rockliff leaves you with $56k
I might take a punt on Stevie J – What do you guys think
risky but Steven bloody Johnson is a bloody good footballer and a very proud man
he wants so bad to be SC relevant