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Chicko’s Check In – What The Ruck?!

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Chicko - elite fantasy analystWe have faced a thorough examination to our fortitude to start 2015. If Rocky or Sidebottom didn’t get you then God himself did.

If GAJ didn’t get you then this round it was either the late out of Bont, or the early injury to Bartel or the plethora of underperforming premiums that saw you come undone – whether it be JPK, Griffin, Parker, Goddard or Wines.

If before the start of this round I suggested Touk Miller would outperform those premiums, you would think I had lost the plot. But what if I told you Touk Miller would outperform Sam Jacobs even though the big ruckman would have 55 hitouts…..going from last year’s form and formula, you would think Sauce would be in for a king size 130 supercoach points – well you would be wrong by about half. 55 hitouts was good for 67 this week!

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The formula for what determines an astute pick in our rucks lines has changed, and for all supercoaches, what we knew to be true, what we knew was tried, tested, observed and proven has changed. Whilst we knew there was a change from hitouts to hit outs to advantage to drive supercoach scoring, I think we may have underestimated the profound impact it would have on our rucks (I know I certainly have). To summarise this impact, I have compiled a table of the top 10 most owned ruckmen and included all premium ruckman.

To explain the last 3 columns of the table (the first 3 columns should be self-explanatory), namely:

  • The “Starting P/Ave”, is the starting price to average of the player. That is the price equates to an average of this number as listed in this column.
  • The “3 game ave” is what the player has averaged from rounds 1-3 (except Berger who was dropped before R3).
  • What I have called the “Happy factor” is the positive or negative difference between the player’s 3 game average as compared to their starting price average. 

With the caveat that 3 games is a very small sample size for averages, you can very quickly see that only one premium ruckman has so far justified his starting price – that is Todd Goldstein, who is currently averaging 14 points more than his starting price would have indicated (as per the Starting P/Ave column). SIGNIFICANTLY, the top 3 ruckman on the happy factor scale are all midprice selections in Grundy, Blicavs and Smith – all are averaging around the 95-98 mark and yet with reasonably low ownership levels. Not for this article, but at a later point and with more data, I will take a look at what has driven the scoring of our rucks. If you have selected a combination of any of the rucks in the green shaded area (green zone), I suspect you would be at the very sharp end of the overall rankings. Well played!

If you selected a ruckman from the blue shaded area (blue zone), I think you would also be reasonably happy. Whilst these ruckman have performed more in line with their starting price, at least you have not overpaid at all, and in some cases have acquired the ruckman at a discount – they are doing as you would expect, if not better. Important to note that Tom Bellchambers sits in the blue zone and is the most selected ruckman. 

The area which deserves a lot of attention is the bottom of the table, the red zone, literally. You will be bleeding cash in the next few weeks if you have selected any of these ruckman. Just have a look at the names, they are luminaries in the world of Supercoach – Jacobs, Martin, McEvoy and Mummy! The change to the ruck rules is severely impacting these big boys.

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So what do we do with this information and our rucks?

I hope the table has provided you with some food for thought. You may have other lines that need your attention, but perhaps a downgrade in your ruck line can help you fix another line. 


The question is, what are you going to do?

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Chicko’s Chumps has Goldy and the Mullet – and I am really wondering what to do with him, as you can see he sits midtable.

Can’t wait to workshop this one with you community.

Cheers

Chicko

@chicko_lcs 


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Patch

Brilliant Chicko. Truly magnificent write up shows what the Check In is blossoming into. At this stage I'm looking to downgrade Mumford to Grundy. Never thought I'd be saying that, but we are truly in uncharted territory here and sailing blind. Supercoach is a game of the bold, and the 470k I have in the warchest lets me inject premiums elsewhere.

Lovely work mate.

Chicko

Cheers Patch old mate! This year, I suspect there are statements being made that we would never had considered – just like your Mummy to Grundy! It does provide you a significant warchest to combat any unforeseeable events. It is high risk but could be very high reward.

Azza

Be very careful with Grundy. If/When Witts comes back in the Collingwood lineup his points could drop dramatically.

throttlefinger

Gold, Chicko! Having a really issue with the new ruck rules. It doesn't fairly reflect the impact of the rucks on the game. But that's not for me to question the reasons why.

So I have a red zoner in Mummy. In this topsy turvy new ruck world, the most sensible thing to do is offload him and get a player, who while plays a considerably more sloppy and less impactful type of game, will get me a 85-90 score as my R2.

Mummy for Grundy. I think I'm going to be sick.

Thanks for shining an extra bright light on this dilemma. Well done, my friend.

Chicko

Thanks Throtts! I can hear your pain from Brooklyn my man. As with Patch, there are moves this year you would have labelled sheer madness. But sometimes in the midst of chaos the answer becomes blindingly clear. Back your insight, you have much of it, and I know you will make the right call.

WombatsFC

Don't do it Throttle.
With the change to ruck scoring SC is more reflective of the impact/influence that rucks have on the game. Being tall and able to touch the ball in a protected one-on-one contest is not a skill.
Now for a ruck to dominate they have to be able to direct a tap to a teammate in good position or, they have to be athletic enough to collect possessions around the ground.
Blicavs is the stand out obvious choice – less hitouts than most other rucks yet higher ave than all but Goldy. Check his SC growth history and save yourself the corrective trade you'd use to upgrade Grundy.

throttlefinger

Good points, Wombats. Will definitely consider. Yet Grundy will allow my to go from Goodes to Smith. Blicavs I could get Houli and T-mac. Don't think the others will be a guaranteed top 5 def. Brodie Smith will.

But your excellent point is taking. Thanks, my man.

Dean

Throttle mark my word mate as soon as you do this, Mummy will score 110+ and Grundy will start averaging 60's

Personally I don't know why people thought Mummy would go HUGE after reading about the new Ruck scoring system way before the season proper started.

I'm glad I chose Goldy & Nic Nat – I really thought Nic Nat was far to cheap to ignore mainly due to his durability around the ground, he isn't your average true Ruckman so to speak.

If you are seriously considering trading out the Mummy and if you don't have Nic Nat I would trade Mummy for Nic Nat way before trading in Grundy even though he looks good at the moment.
Granted the Mummy to Nic Nat trade will only pocket you a extra $90k as opposed to a extra $195k if you went Mummy to Grundy. However that being said who do you see scoring consistently over the next 20 rounds because that's the question we must be asking ourselves as this is a marathon not a sprint.

It's not easy – Good luck no mater which way you go mate.

throttlefinger

Hey Dean. Yeah, Mummy was a bad move. Yet didn't think he was a bad pick because he did other things very well. But his tackles and disposals have been down so it has contributed to the low scores. He played well very Swans yet it's not shown in score.

NicNat is a consideration. Blicavs is too. Grundy still on radar. Has the ability and confidence is growing. Like I said above, the capper in going Grundy is it allows be to bring in brodie Smith for Goodes. I don't see any other def at this point who looks a lock for top 5 def (maybe Hodges but you know he's going to get rested at some point).

Appreciate the thoughts, Dean!

OldOcker

G'day TF, Trading in rucks I am not sure about. Mummy is a different story though with his price.
See what I wrote a few comments down.

My worry with Grundy would be that when Collingwood decide to go with 2 rucks Jarrod Witts who was their No 1 Ruck last year comes back into the frame. Will this affect Grundy's scores? OR maybe even game time.
2014 Witts played 20 games.
2014 Grundy played 15 games

Not trying to put you off but just some food for thought.
Good luck in your decision making.
Cheers.

Hindsight is a great thing but “I have no desire to suffer twice, in reality and then in retrospect.”

throttlefinger

Very, very true, my wise friend. Have to write down those words and mount them over my computer.

I've settled down a wee bit and will probably keep him. Need to make my peace with the fact I knew there was a risk picking him. He's still in the top 7 and will probably end up in the top 5 rucks. I have Goldy so can live with Mummy average 90.

Will use the trade to jettison Bartel. Leaning toward Martin. Tasty numbers and his value will skyrocket.

OldOcker

I know I should not assume but I take it you are talking of the Jack variety.
Doing this year what people were hoping for last year, Has a lot of class and should make some $ But probably needs an upgrade later but you never know.
I like the kid.

throttlefinger

Yeah, I do too, Ocker.

Sideways to Buddy or another clear top 5 fwd will be the hope. If Jack turns out to be a top 8 fwd, may keep. See how it plays out. Kid does a lot of things very well.

OldOcker

Just looked at your team.
Why not go straight to Franklin? It would save you a trade going straight to another keeper.

throttlefinger

Goodes to Brodie Smith is the move I really want to make. Buddy will give a spud soon. Will pounce later. Maybe Jack will help make that sideways trade possible.

Funk

Just have to hope Witts ate the same "steak" as Keefe – and "bingo" – problem solved

General Soreness

Brilliant work Chicko, whilst not ecstatic I am not unhappy with the Golden Mullet combo and will hold. Purely on the basis that even if I wanted to I am not confident of what I would be trading into. The only must have is Goldy imo.

Chicko

Legend General, I am in that same Golden mullet boat with you. One of the oars is working perfectly, the other just getting by. I'm sitting tight for now.

harbl100

I've got the Golden Mullet with one in the Chamber. I'll also be sticking with it for now.

Sarah

I've got the same combo too General. I think I'm pretty happy with my set and forget combo for the time being. I'll just let them keep on keeping on and worry about the other lines.

Pavos

Grundy is going to play second ruck to witts

Westy

Mummy to Grundy

Goodes to Swan via Goddard swing.

Chicko

Could be a strong move their Westy. Goodes to Swan is an excellent trade.

chris

ok guys..

so i have nic nat and mummy in the ruck. then have bellchambers in the forward line..
my worries other than rucks are griffen, priddis, newnes and b. goodes..

do you think this is smart..
swap TBC into ruck
trade mumford for bontempelli
trade griffen to anyone, have cash for any mid.

General Soreness

TBC into ruck and Mummy to Bont is a solid option Chris. 1 trade corrects two problems and generates cash for upgrades. However I think Goldy is must have ruck.

Winter

I have Maric + Minson who aren't doing great but not doing terrible. Looking to upgrade Minson to Goldstein in the next few weeks though, thoughts?

Redgumwon

I'm in a similar boat with Maric and Nic Nat. Both are going steady and I will trade up to Goldy if and when an Injury occurs. No point wasting trades on rucks if you don't have to

We're all well and truly rucked

I started the year with the Goldy/Mumford quinella. Thankfully my only trade last week was Mumford down to Nic Nat. Bartel was a solid hit to my score I don’t think I could have taken a beating from Mumford as well.

chandanrajdb

Hello Community,

What to do with IVAN MARIC? HOLD or FOLD? trades I am thinking of doing this week…..

OUT: Maric & Lambert

IN: Grundy or Blicavs and Krakouer

Thoughts would be much appreciated…..

Cheers,
Raj…..

throttlefinger

Good plan, Raj. Go with it!

themisfitssc

hold mate maric is fit and scores will be reliable.

We're all well and truly rucked

Save the trade

Assuming Ivan is your second ruck thi year you’d have to be happy with a 80-95ave which is what you’d get from him.

Trade lambert to Krak just to have a playing bench cover.

Tylo

Would be worried about Krak holding his spot when Impey returns

Sarah

Maric is scoring reasonably well so I'd hold him (and am holding him myself). It's worthwhile seeing Krakouer play another game and picking him up when he's on the bubble.

SideBySidebottom

Maric is a slow starter. His scores should improve as the season progresses.

lincoln

i to have Goldy and Maric too.. not unhappy with Maric but tempted by Blicvas

lincoln

The temptation with Blitz is he isnt near the ruck..

OldOcker

Chicko, You missed a color. GOLD great write up mate. I have Goldy and Sandi with the idea that even if one did not perform they are at least warm bodies on the ground that would give me an average of 90. Trading in rucks was not a plan for me this year, Injuries are the only thing that we cannot predict but have to be ready for. Regardless of their scores I will not trade in the rucks barring injury.
Trading down now could lead to disaster if injury hits.
I got lucky last year and had Jacobs and Sandi. (No Ruck Trades)
Previous years the Rucks have cost me 4 trades with injuries.
Be Very cautious you could be trading into trouble.

Save your trades for the real point scoring Guns.

Cheers.

Chicko

OldOcker old mate, coming from you that is indeed the highest of praises! Thank you kind SIr. As much as I am tempted to move Maric to Grundy, I am with you, it seems like I might be forcing a trade that is not required and may be inviting trouble. The more creative side of me thinks of the wonderful things I could do with the extra cash in my midfield. At this stage, I remain cautious. Thanks again mate.

@RyanRhino14

I'm considering trading Maric to Grundy

Kano

I would save your trade. Maric undisputed no 1 ruck at richmond while there are still questions over grundys role once witts returns. Could be wrong but I’m backing maric to ave 85-95 for the season, grundy is too much of a gamble at this stage for long term JS.

@RyanRhino14

Thanks for the response. I'm not 100% on doing it for the exact same reasons that you just said and I probably won't do it because it's not something I have to do

Daniel

Cracking write up. Good stuff.

Even though I've got a lot of cash tied up, I'm sitting reasonably happy with a Goldy-Nat combo with TBC cover up FWD.
Went with a set and forget approach, will see how it ends up.

r2d2

Also have tbc up fwd as cover , and reasonably happy at this stage , keep your set up mate

Conan the Westy

I’m with you Daniel.
The smugness that threatened to creep up on me about my ruck selections has been kept at bay by some less than stellar performances in other areas of my team.

dustbin feltchers

same same Daniel…I am happy with my goldy nat read on bench combo…but it really grinds my gears having bellendchambers stinking up my forward line for a 60-70 every week….was hoping he would average 80 odd. …was it a gift from the gods that bottomsmelli didn't play and therefore didn't rise in price?? maybe bellend to bottom smelli…give krakouer another week, he will come in for lamb..

OXnFOX

I believe it's *Krackwhore

r2d2

Have Nic Nat and maric,,, while output has not been terrific , it not that bad that I want too trade , hold your trades in ruck area I say , unless Injury strikes …… 80-95 avg is solid enough in my opinion

Kano

I have the same rucks and agree. I was looking at smith at one stage but common sense prevailed so I think I will hold. An 86 average isn’t too bad and although he will drop cash, I don’t think a trade is needed. Would rather save the trade and upgrade another line. Only trade if you are looking at a significant points increase or because of injury. 30 trades goes fairly quickly.

G

Will Bartel drop in price? Even though he has just played 2 games and won’t play next week?

OldOcker

His price will not change until he plays again but it is certain to drop after his next game with a break even of about 230.

LEKD0G

Not until he plays his 3rd game

Chicko

Hi G, he won't drop in price until he plays another game, so his value remains the same. A blessing in disguise. You can hold him until you nut out what trade you want to do and use his full value to advantage.

NicNatPaddyWack

Have no clue what to do with Mummy, any suggestions lads?

LEKD0G

I think I'm just gonna take the hits and keep him

NicNatPaddyWack

Also thinking about just holding, theres really no point wasting another trade and he's not the worst ruck out there. If he does miss a week through his report I might consider trading him to Goldy.

Holty

With you Lekdog. He will depreciate in value but still see him as a top 4 ruckman by seasons end. Yes, you will make some money with the Mummy to Grundy trade but by seasons end, I'm sure Grundy will be traded again for a keeper. The question is, is it worth the extra trade? For me it's a no.

Kano

First two scores were 98 and 108. Played against sydney with phillips helping with pyke/tippett which won’t be the case every week. I don’t have him but would hold if I did.

Rick Grimes

Biclavs. Don't know anything about him. Seems to fit the non-traditional Ruck mold that is working this year?

derek

he kicked a goal very late in the game on the weekend that scores over 30+ SC points. has played all over the ground but not really as a ruckman. I know Higgo rates him highly

slip

Gone Mumford – Blicavs
Wines – Sloane

thoughts?

Kano

I like the second one just don’t know if you should be jumping off mumford just yet. Leon Cameron said before the sydney game he was bringing in phillips to help mumford with the Pyke/ Tippett combo. I don’t think this will be the case every game meaning mumfords first two scores of the year (98 &108) will be more accurate to his season average.

mick

thanks kano are u sure

Kano

Never 100% in anything supercoach as its all speculative but tomlinson was pinch hitting in the ruck before he went down injured (12 weeks) so there is a spot but judging on phillips being subbed off I think they might look at another forward or a ruck that is more versatile than phillips and hold down a forward spot rather than contest centre bounces occasionally and have no impact anywhere else.

Locked and Loaded

Kano I will be going Mumford to Blicavs also. Allows me to upgrade Goodes the Goose to Brodie Smith

derek

I have a question for all you high achievers!

We are only 3 weeks into the season, I'm already over 400 points off the pace, but my team doesn't look much different to the guys at the very top. What has been the reason that you guys are already at the pointy end of the ladder?

Did you just get the Emergencies right? was it your ruck combination? was it McDonald in Defence? please share with the community (plus what your current rank is)

mick

same derek 500 pts behind no use holding trades if this keeps up

Dean

Being 500 points behind, is not a huge deal at this point in the game. Last weeks #1 Frank only scored 2045 this week he is now ranked 36th overall.

I was ranked 4,334 overall last week and this week I am ranked 984 overall, I am still behind the leader by 422 points.

That just goes to show you even when your 500 points behind the leader ALL you need is a few huge scores to put you right back in the game. I wouldn't be throwing the towel in yet, this is a very long marathon not a sprint…

r2d2

Top 5 pc,,, and I think nailing rooks helped big time ! And not over spending in def with likes of kelly t hunt in my side has helped too , 2 ultra premos in mid , ultra being above 600k and then a spread of 520-560 k players , but now have to trade ollie unfortunately

Kano

I’m around the same as you but have got my starting rookies wrong in the first two rounds (mcintosh rd 1 bench, oxley rd 2 bench plus a few more) which have costed me around 350 total points.getting your starting rookies right to start I think would be the main difference as everyone has at least 10 of the same players on their teams.

derek

I calculated that I could have improved my score by 227 if I had the Bench correct (Oxley yet to be on my field). I could have improved my score by 58 if I had the correct captain each week. 98 points if I had E on CEY when SMitchell was a late out (took a Donut)

Kano

That’s a fairly solid effort considering you copped a donut. I would have traded mitchell out due to the fact you have trades. Even as a hawk fan I don’t have mitchell, burnt me last year and falls into my simon goodwin rule (dont pick a veteran that is one injury away from retirement). Picked him last year and paid the price. Sounds like you have a fairly good team though. With a donut and those adjustments you stated, you wouldn’t be far off at all.

derek

the late out of Sam was annoying. I had Cripps on field but he missed the game on Friday but I didn't know prior to lockout, I had the E on Vandenberger to cover Cripps. I didn't want to put another E on CEY because then I would hve got the lower of the two E's. then Sam was a late but CEY had already played the day before so I couldn't put the E on him. I lost 6 matches that week by less than 98.

I am a Hawks Fan, and made a promise not to have any hawks in my team (burns me every year) but Sammy just looked too god value to miss, he is my stepping stone to a fallen premium

Holty

As everyone has said, getting the starting rookies right and keeping out of trouble with your premiums is important. I was 278 overall after rd 2 and now blown out to 7500. Reason is I had Bartel, Parker, Wines, Bonts and in some cases went Mummy over Goldy. And I dont have Sloane which is a big reason.

Swans2012

Still early days, positions fly up and down with one good week. Had emergency loophole donuts in Goddard (h) and krakouer for, for first two rounds, helps with picking the right rookies while things settle

Swans2012

Assuming most high ranking teams did this sort of thing, costs a trade but good starts are priceless. That said I’m only ranked just inside top 10k

derek

does anyone know where last years winner was after 3 round?

Swans2012

Would be interested to know as well Derek, in fact where any of last years top ten were after 3 rounds would be interesting. Just so we know if there is hope……

marty

Not sure on last year but 2013 winner John Bruyn was positioned about 6000 after round two. About 1800 after round three. His team was then set and injury free.

marty

2013 winner was still in 64,000 position after round two with correctional trades done. More correctional trades and a good week saw him at 3000 after round three.

marty

Last one should read 2012 winner

mick

mumford tbc mummy to goldstein this week

Luviboy1

Currently ranked 903 and happy with all aspects of my team and plan to hold Parker and Mummy. But is Tex worth a hold? I started with him, but his recent output hasn't been very good.

randomcliche

#903 you have nailed it. It’s about points not $ w.r.t to keepers once you’ve got them. I don’t have Tex and ruled out cloke, cousin roo, et al under the no KPF rule. (Which doesn’t apply to Franklin). These mid price KPF’s are stepping stones. Roughhead may qualify for exemption due to the variable roles he plays. Suggest stomping on the head of those stepping stones when the cash is available. Texas’ R1 score won’t stay in his price for long.

randomcliche

Although atm I cant find enough fwd line keepers. Gray, Swan, Dusty, Buddy. A fit lids and Bartel qualify but that’s not a world we are in. Who else do you think qualifies?

Luviboy1

Think you have listed them all. Its yet to be known whether the Bont is a keeper. Maybe a Dalhaus, maybe a Betts. But as far as keepers go, at the end of the season I see my forward line looking exactly they way you described.

Crowmagnon

Roughy?

randomcliche

May just get the KPF exemption….maybe. Must be close!

Swans2012

Goddard once he kicks into gear/ bottoms out

randomcliche

Yeah, can see Goddard making the grade. Good pick up.

derek

I have a no KPF rule as well, but somehow Travis Cloke found his way into my team. I blame Jocks magazine….read a great article about the Shark move. Also a great article about the Bruyen move…put them together and got the Cloke in. I just want 1 monster score from him (he almost gave that to me on Friday if he could kick straight) to jump in value and boost me into a falling Buffalo (another great article) around the byes.

randomcliche

There is certainly justification around them as a stepping stone. Agreed *insert higgo voice here* I run a pretty stricter version though. Which does leave me open, but saves a sh!t load of headaches.

randomcliche

Open to being smashed that is.

Timbo

I have 2 red liners in Mumford and Martin and I am very keen to trade one of them for Goldy, despite both being injury free (although Mummy could be in trouble at the tribunal). But I also have another issue with both Priddis and Parker both playing below par.

As much as I would like to trade one of my rucks I think I will sit tight and not waste any trades in this area. But it is time for either Priddis or Parker to go. My gut feeling is to keep Parker as he has the added value of scoring goals during games. What are your thoughts?

Marco_Polo94

All 4 are premiums and all 4 should come good. Martin now has no luey so we could see an increase in his output. Mummy has just been cleared by the tribunal so he is good to play. Last week he scored 97 points in 3 quarters so i'm hoping he starts banging out big games soon. Parker has looked ginger since his concussion and i think you have to just sit tight and ride the wave, many coaches will be looking to bring him in when his price drops. Priddis i dunno, i wasn't a fan of him at the start but you obviously selected him for a reason over other 600k premiums so again just sit tight.

Timbo

Thanks Marco Polo for your detailed reply. Great news about Mummy being cleared. I agree about Parker, he hasn't looked quite right since his concussion in round one. I chose Priddis as point of difference over other premium midfielders but unfortunately, that manoeuvre has paid off. Priddis' price has already dropped a fair bit so I might just need to be a bit patient and hang to him.

randomcliche

Having previously suffered a bad concussion I'm super weary of concussion victims. Check out Lewis's scores post he previous concussion. In an interview he said he wasn't right for 3 games after it. I wasn't 'right' for a lot longer. After 1 month I hadn't regained coordination properly or judgement. But once you come good, you can perform a high levels again, its just a matter of time. Just don't bet against long-term brain damage. Another rule I run is always trade out concussion players if they have been subbed/should have been subbed. I only consider them 4 weeks later. Hope that helps with the Parker situation.

randomcliche

As an aside, I'd suggest that Bartel may have positioned his body quicker and better if not for concussion two weeks prior. Just saying, there are risks with concussion, like all other injuries.

Tyler

At least some of you can think about correcting the rucks or your rookies, but I’m stuck trading out injuried player ever week (Rockcliff, Ablett, Bartel, Wines, Sidebottom)

Luviboy1

Haha I feel for you my man. Just hang in there. Sounds like the Supercoach gods have struck you down hard, but theres only one place you can go now.

SideBySidebottom

I've copped four of those but not Wines. It makes the petulant sideways trade talk very hard to bear.

Mister_Spock

I'm in the 2% that took McEvoy – was completely fooled by a couple of decent NAB outings. It's now clear that he's spending a lot more time up forward (he managed only 23 hitouts in his first two games!). Bleeding cash at the moment, and can't see the point of sticking fat for 60-70 points each week. Gonna pull the trigger, but unsure of Grundy, Blicavs or Smith at this stage – mid-pricers who could just as easily stink it up

derek

it depends on who you have your eye on. If you want to get Mummy, I would wait a few weeks because even though Big Boy is bleeding cash, as long as it is at a slower rate that the one you want to get in you are ok to wait a bit. however if it is other way around, and your target player is holding or going up, you need to move now.

Mister_Spock

Apart from Goldy, there aren't many premiums performing at the moment – potentially because of the new scoring system. I've also got to correct Wines and Bartel, so I'm thinking Bid Boy down to Grundy and bring in Dusty for Bartel. Leaves me with enough cash the following week to bring in Jelwood for Wines. The way I see it is that with the new scoring system, Grundy can be either a keeper, or a stepping stone to a proven premium after 7-8 rounds (most likely Goldy)

Tyler

Is it a good idea to put the use captains loophole on swanny instead of fyfe, considering his previous performances on Anzac day?

Marco_Polo94

What i'm doing this week.

Luviboy1

Expect Swan to go HUGE again this week, though Fyfe should have a decent game too, facing Sydney.

SideBySidebottom

Swan's won two Anzac day medals and Pendlebury has also won two.

Harry

Looking for possible players to bring in for Malceski & Lycett? And should I keep Kieren Jack? Please help

Luviboy1

For Malceski: Hodge, Smith, Shaw, McDonald
For Lycett in RUCK: Grundy, Smith, Blicavs (although I'd heavily advise against any of these rucks)
For Lycett in FWD: Dusty, Swan, Gray, Bont, Roughie, Buddy, Dalhaus.

Doc2Drej

Community, I have a plethora of underperforming players in my team, would like to know which ones to trade out this week.

These players are: Higgins, Newnes, Brown, Goodes, Griffen, Lambert, Maric and Bartel.

Obviously some are in more urgent need of trading than others, and these players are on the list due to them either not performing anywhere near as well as I had hoped (Higgins, Newnes, Maric), them bleeding cash (Goodes, Griffen), them being injured (Lambert, Bartel) or them simply being spuds (Brown).

I think I can hold Brown and Lambert on the pine, and Higgins, Newnes and Maric aren’t playing THAT badly, but Bartel is out for 6-10 and Goodes and Griffen have already lost about 20k each. Traded out Hallahan and Cripps last week for Shiel (who I think will come good) and McGrath, and I don’t have the bont in my current side. I also have 80k to spend.

Any feedback would be much appreciated

Cheers

Luviboy1

Think you've answered your question to some extent.

Bartel is definitely your first priority this week.

Im going to assume you have all the right defense rookies, them being Saad, Oxley and McIntosh, so no need to trade out Brown and Goodes. Lambert is good for a loophole (the reason Im keeping him).

I'd trade out Griffo. He just dosent look good imo. Looks rather disinterested.

I'd get in one of these FWD premiums: Dusty, Gray, Swan, Franklin, Bont, and as for your MID, you'd be looking at another sideways. Plenty of good options in the 500-550k range, or if you're willing to go cheaper in FWD, get in a Sloane, Fyfe, Lewis, Pendles type player.

Pavos

Higgins is not underperforming

bontemgasmic

exactly – Higgins you paid for 76pts and he is giving you 89 avg – good enough for a D5/6 any year.

Newnes is getting plenty of the pill – I would wait on him

Brown – you must have know when you took him he wouldn't score well – he is to be used as a D8 who can be cover as he will play every week.

Griffen looks like being a rollercoaster – I have him and will hold for the moment – capable of huge scores

dognino

Mummy has been cleared by the MRP so I'll be holding him, tempting to go to Goldstein but trades are priceless, especially with all the LTIs occurring this season. Have Bartel in my forwards who needs to go, looking at either buddy or roughy , buddy is looking to have a massive run soon , but roughy is just as capable of big scores and plays more games per year than buddy, so that's a big upside for me .

Marco_Polo94

Agreed, and considering how fickle rucks are I'm not trading him either. Who knows when the big boys will go down.

derek

I really like the look of Buddy. he is playing better than when he was at Hawthorn.

Tippert is crap! this helps Buddy as Roughy would take some of Buddy's points at Hawthorn.

Swans2012

I’m so angry at myself for taking Goddard instead of franklin, just don’t know why I did it, I’m even a swan supporter for f sake! Anyway I’m not sidewaysing but seriously tempted, he will belt out a 150 in the next month I reckon. But goddard’s stats last year were impressive so I’ve gotta give him another month….

Tom

who to downgrade Wallis to?

Girdle

Lin Jong? Guaranteed job security with Libba and Wallis out. Or straight down to Krakouer to free up cash? P.Cripps will rise in value soon too.

Derma147

Hi community I have ruck issues, I've got Jacobs and luenburger in at the moment and im not to sure on what I'm doing yet any advice?

Kano

Jacobs still no 1 ruck at adelaide but if you have to then look at goldy. Hold if you can. But get rid of leuy, he’s not even in the team and while he probably will come back, he’s now no 2 or 3 behind martin. I would trade to smith.

Girdle

If you can free up cash for Leuey to Goldy then make it happen. If you started with Jacobs then probably best to hold firm. You weren’t thinking of trading him out last week after his 145, were you? He’ll go large again.

Tulendeena

So the general consensus is a mummy to goldy trade is not a good idea?

It will be the cheapest to do it now in the whole season, and I don't see nic nat appreciating enough to sideways to goldy

thoughts?

Swans2012

I’ve got no problem with it, but I reckon even goldy will have lean patches

Cameron

I'm in the top 0%. Had a pretty good start. Should I get rid of Michael Johnson?

Boggers

is there any reason behind wanting to offload him?

derek

I just read that Rockliff is a chance to play this week!
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-04-20/rockliff-re

Pavos

Did you hold him?

derek

never had him, was considering getting Beams.

You BloodyRippa

I can't see it happening myself….. but for me it does highlight the elephant in the room.
Rather than look at trading out proven premiums who have had a slow start…..I'm looking at how I get Rocky and Gaz back in when the time is right. Stuff that up and the other moves are just small change.

TOPHAWK1

Yes he is a chance…..avery slight chance!. I think if he does play it would be incredible. He would have to wear a brace to protect his ribs and play in a lot of pain. And he will be targeted by opposition players. I reckon he will miss this week and make his return the following week against the Gold Coast.

Despite his determination to get back out there and being an absolute star, the medical team and coach will make the final call.
My gut tells me they will decide to keep him on the pine for one more week.

Cheers

Pavos

What to do with Tex, I currently have 27 trades left, 2 left this week. He got me 30k along with a BE of 124. Whereas Dusty has a BE of 64. What to do?

Rob

looking to trade Jamar.

Would you rather get rid of him and get a 550K Ruck? If so Who?

Or

Get rid of him Switch Ryder from my FWD line to my Ruck and get a 550k Forward? If so who?

Any Suggestions?

Girdle

Use Ryder, he’ll get you a solid 85-100 each week for now. Buy Buddy or Gray if you don’t have them

Swans2012

+1

Pavos

What to do with Tex? Trade or hold, is there more in him or is 30k enough

bontemgasmic

Depends – Why did you have him in your starting team

was he to be a keeper or a stepping stone?

Marco_Polo94

When you selected him you had to realise KPF go up and down. Hold for a bit longer i reckon.

TOPHAWK1

Hold.

He is in my side as well. I am going to watch him the next 2 rounds before the next price changes. If he screws up, then I will re consider. I reckon he will fire up as he is the captain of the crows and he can play. And a very cosy draw till the byes.

Cheers

Swans2012

Sorry hawk but prices change every week now…. No watching and waiting….

Tom

do I trade Wallis or Lambert to Krakouer? Currently have lamb and lambert on my bench in the forward line which is risky if I need coverage.

I will probably wait a week for Krak but what are everyones thoughts?

Marco_Polo94

I'm thinking I'll trade lambert to kraqour this week then swing krak up to my mids when i chop miller from my team. I know i could wait a week for kraqour however i'm confident he will get enough games to accrue value and i have alternative trading plans for next week.

Jdogg

I am in the same boat. I was going to hold however Bont gave me a zero last week (which cost me the win) so I am going with Krak for cover.

Funk

Had Goldy from the start – already bit the bullet last week ands dumped Maric for Grundy – very glad I did now.

However also had Bartel and Wallis – a different headache to resolve!

northernsoul74

Bartel has to go. Might be able to cover Wallis for a few weeks with the decent rookie mid cover.

Mac

Not sure what trades to do this week, or if I need to do any at all.

Simpson, Shaw, Newnes, Kolo, Goodes, Saad, McIntosh, Oxley
Fyfe, Selwood, JPK, Parker, Beams, Cripps, CEY, Heeney, Steele, Miller, Vandenberg
Goldstein, Maric, Read
Gray, Martin, Swan, Salem, Hogan, Clark, Lonie, Lambert

Only used one trade and have $124,000 in the bank. Thoughts?

Juzzy

Or wait a week and don't trade.
Are you sure that the Prince and Doc will go bigger than KK for the next few weeks ?
If so go for it.
I have KK but will hold for the moment as I can't target a reliable replacement.

Derek

You almost same position as me. No great worries. No rush on Lambert to Krakour trade, won’t change price for another week.

I am tempted to trade out KK to Birchell but will probably hold as KK is capable of scoring a lot better than he has.

KK will lose more cash but so will a lot other defenders. As long as KK cash loss is same or better than your target players you are gaining cash.

Rhino

Maybe consider KK to Hooker – he’s started the season well and appears to be holding down a valuable role in the Bombers structure, seeing a fair bit of the pill and taking a fair count of marks in the defensive half. Floggard also singled him out as a player that has finally “got” what it takes to play at the elite level. Decent POD too.

Jack

Trading out Malceski & Lycett and need help on which players to bring in.
Malceski options: McDonald, Docherty, Rance, Hodge
Lycett Options: Minson, Blicavs, Grundy, Smith
Please help

Derek

Do you have Smith, Shaw and Simpson? If not, take pick.

eatemalive

Deledio unlikely to play this week , do i trade or hold ? i can do Fwd or Mid !

Girdle

Take him out. Get in Gray or Buddy if you haven’t got them. Lids will struggle to be top 6-8 fwd with all these niggles

Tom

Wallis only out for 2 weeks…

trade or Hold?

northernsoul74

Hold.

Phil

Sloane Fyfe or Buddy for Bartel? All 3 will be in my team at some stage but which one first? Sloane has the easier game this week

Derek

Fyfe. I’m still worried about Sloane losing points to Thompson and Dangerfield.

northernsoul74

Fyfe or Sloane, can't look passed the scoring potential of the top end midfielders. Buddy for Bartel is a good trade for those who already have Fyfe and Sloane but think there will be further opportunities to get Buddy around his current price later on.

cow roll

Fyfe for the long run coz he's harder to tag than Sloane. Also Fyfe is better than his team mates at contested possessions.

Brook

Great article … I think further analysis on the scoring breakdown of these high performing mid pricers would be interesting. I briefly considered zsmith as a mid price option based on the fact that he had a good mid field around him (therefore, more hits to advantage) but backed out based on his reputation as a burnman. Eventually started with Goldy and Minson, but traded Minson out last week for the Bont (via TBC) before I knew he was a late out. Was disappointing but I do now have the option of almost a straight swap for Bont in Round 6 to a ruck keeper (aiming for Jacobs). However, I initially traded bontempelli in as a fwd keeper, which I am still very much hoping for, but good to have another option if he stinks it up over the next two weeks. This was not really in my thought process initially but it does show how the premo rucks all seemed to have dived (as many we're predicting) and I am glad that i withdrew my cash before the crash hit (albeit with an unexpected donut into the bargain!). Once again, this game takes us on an unexpected journey!

shane

I spent BIG in rucks this year, hoping to use Mummy as a shark move and move him on rnd 5-6. I started Mummy and Goldy with TBC at f4, I have decided enough is enough. I had Krakour at M10 so I am trading Mummy, swing TBC to ruck, Krakour to FWD line and effectively trade Mummy for Sloane (Should have done this last week, decided to give him another go, had the money but spent my 2 trades getting the right rookies.) This has cost me 80k on the trade but I think the rookie will make that up. These gives me 6 mids in Pendles, Fyfe, Sloane, Lewis, JPK and Selwood with only GAJ and Rocky to come. So from here on out I'll look to upgrade Salem/Hogan/Clarke to a premo ruck and bring TBC back to FWD and probably fill the Mids last now.

Brook

I think that's a good move … you will make that cash back through your rookies and I think you were also right to give him one more chance while u consolidated your rookies. And now your mids are looking super strong … We will just need to hold our breath on goldy and tbc for the next few weeks!

Derek

I doubt TBC is a keeper. I’m hoping a few more weeks and upgrade him to a fallen premium.

Trading out a premium now means you will need to use another trade later to get a premium back in. Don’t do it.

Marco_Polo94

TBC I'm hoping will be a keeper for me on my bench. 🙂

Brook

I agree tbc is a bench keeper. You ultimately want him as your f7. I can see myself flicking him into R2 and back again maybe a couple of times, but I want him all year for cover. The other option is to upgrade him to Ryder at some stage as a fwd keeper but not sold on that yet

Sam Loy

Awesome write-up.
However, TBC's starting price is wrong in the table. This makes his "happy factor" even higher.
Cheers.

SCaddict

Yeah happy factor should be 14.7.

Seaice

Nice article here. Great info.

Downgrade the minion to the blitz having goldie in my team already.

G

Hooker or Houli or Birchel ??

Please help

northernsoul74

Birchall.

Brook

Birchall just but still too early to tell. I will be resisting temptation to upgrade this week i think. It was about this time last year I took breust after a good start and he was a pain all season

Will

I currently have Maric and Nic Nat and I’m considering a sideways trade of Maric to Goldy.

Right move? Or just blowing a trade?

Donavan

Goldly is a must have in the rucks.

His averaging more than 20 points per game more than the next best ruckman.

Will

Cheers

northernsoul74

Goldy is looking like a must have but whether he's a priority this week depends on your team and other more pressing issues. Also depends on how many trades you have left. I get the impression a lot of people have blown 2 trades every week so far which is asking for trouble later on in the season.

Will

I have used 2 trades (Goodes for Oxley and GAJ for Sloane). I don't have any premiums injured and my rookie stocks are looking really good. If I don't make the Maric > Goldy trade, i won't be needing to trade at all.

Johnny

Does anyone know how the hell you can design your own Guernsey like every other year please!? Cannot work it out

CJay

Just click on the Guernsey mate. Just to the right of the home icon.