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Mad Mick’s Two Cents – The Week That Was

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Mad Mick's Two Cents

Good day community and welcome to this weeks; Mad Mick’s Two Cents.

Wow what a week we have had in Supercoach. It started with all those coaches who traded out Newnes, Selwood, Griffen, Martin etc cursing themselves for hitting the trade button after just one bad performance. Likewise, those that chased the points bringing in the likes of Walker cursed themselves for getting sucked in. Of course you and I just sat back and held our trades (unless we moved on a LTJ player of course).

We then had the early week “will I, won’t I” trade out Gary Ablett, only for that decision to be taken away with the news he is going to miss more than 3 weeks. Finally the wave of hype hit regarding the necessity of having to bring in both Dylan Shiel and Marcus Bontempelli.

As I am writing this piece Shiel has been traded into 9,116 or 4.93% of teams. This will put his ownership after this round at just shy of 6%, as very few coaches have picked him in their initial teams. Bontempelli’s numbers are far more staggering. At present 22,844 or 12.34% of teams have traded him in this week. This will put Bontempelli ownership at 43% of teams, making him the 4th most popular premium player in the competition behind only Gray, Swan and Fyfe.

Hop Topic – Is the “Bonts” a must have player?

This question has been hyped up as a season defining decision and one we must all get right this week. I’m not quite sure it’s as season defining as it has been made out to be. The big question for me when deciding if I should bring in a player during the year is if this player will be a top 6 player for a forward or defender, or a top 8 player for a midfielder. Your initial squad is the place to take chances on players but the art of good trading is to only bring in players that will be in the top spots in their respective positions.

So is Bontempelli a top 6 forward, or at the very least going to average close enough to the top 6 that any loss of points could be considered negligible. Last year the 6th highest scoring forward averaged 102 Supercoach points so in order for Bontempelli to be considered a success he will need to get very close to this number from here on out.

What makes this so hard to gauge is the fact we have very limited numbers to base this decision off. Sure he has scored well in his opening two games but I don’t get his scores for those games, only the ones from here on out. We must remember he is only a second year player who has only played 18 games at AFL level. I am not taking away from the fact that this kid is special but is he really going to be able to produce the goods over a full season.

I always like to draw comparisons between players in similar circumstances. Not too many players have beaten the second year blues but 3 come to mind over the last 4 years – Jaeger O’Meara, Oliver Wines and Nathan Fyfe. The table below shows their progress over the first 2 years of their careers.

MicksTable

Encouragingly all these players prove what is possible and if I was to draw comparisons on game style between any of these players and Bontempelli, he would be more similar to Fyfe than the other two. Both Fyfe and Bonts have strikingly similar circumstances too. Both played 16 games in their opening year and both were forced to take on more responsibility in a midfield group in their second year. Fyfe was forced to step up due to the injury to Michael Barlow while Bontempelli has now got to step up in the absence of Tom Liberatore.

Fyfe did something extraordinary in his second year to average 108 and I’m not suggesting that Bontempelli will match this number. However when I compare the games of O’Meara and Wines I become more confident that he will at least be on par with these two players and average close to the 100 point mark over the year.

Being young and expecting a hard tag to go his way I do expect some really terrible scores to run through his average though. Fyfe had scores of 49, 58, 71, 80 and 85 in his second year and I will guarantee you Bontempelli will have some similar turds run through his scores this year too. This is where I think people are getting carried away with this “make or break” decision on whether to get him in this week or not. I know his BE is massive (low) this week but too be honest I’d expect his price will fall back down to $450k at some point during the year, allowing all those who miss him now to pick him up later.

I don’t always go with the shoal but I will be bringing the “Bont” in this week, but if you have holes in your team that need fixing then I’d advise you address them instead of sacrificing your structures just to get the “Bont” in. He is by no means the must have player that the masses are saying you need to trade in this week.

Predict a 98 average from here on out – just enough to justify a selection as my F6 at full upgrade.

Dylan Shiel

Anybody who has listened to me over the past couple of years will know I have been hyping Shiel as the next fantasy beast. It makes me sick in the stomach that I chose the safer proven option in Griffen over Shiel this year. I have a great temptation to bring him in this week but unfortunately the same rules apply and I can’t let emotion dictate my trading plans.

Is Shiel going to be a top 8 midfielder? I have no doubt that this is a breakout year for Shiel but something extraordinary would have to happen for him to finish as one of the top 8 midfielders. Last season the 8th highest scoring midfielder averaged 114 Supercoach points. From the best of my knowledge the last player to have such a significant jump in average was Patrick Dangerfield in 2012, going from an 80 avgerage to 118 average. Dangerfield was the clear star of the Adelaide midfield that year, whereas Shiel has to compete with Ward, Griffen and Treloar as the number one midfielder in the GWS team.

I think we can draw comparisons for Shiel a little closer to home. Treloar had his breakout year in 2014 going from an 87 average to a 107 average. I’d expect Shiel to finish this year close to the same 107 average. This isn’t that bad of a result for his current price but unfortunately I have taken my two speculative selections in Griffen and Parker and must now fill the remaining spots with proven elite players. It will be a decision I will regret for the year, with my only saving grace being I managed to snag Shiel in my Supercoach Draft team.

I predict an average of 104 from here on out – not enough to justify a selection as my M8 at full upgrade.

The hidden Gem – Shane Savage

Sometimes there is a lot of noise generated about certain players which allows other to sail under the radar. Possibly the best corrective option this week is Shane Savage, yet nobody has mentioned his name. This is a perfect time for savvy coaches to snag him while everybody is looking the other way.

What you might not know!

Savage struggled in the early part of last season after his move to the Saints from the Hawks. So much so he was dropped and forced to play VFL until he was given a reprieve in round 14, coming back in to play a new role off the half back. Since round 14 in 2014 he has now averaged 93 Supercoach points and has scored 100+ in 6 out those 10 games.

Top 6 defenders will struggle to beat a 93 average so if Savage can maintain those numbers he would certainly justify season long keeper status. If you got any holes in your defence then look no further than this man.

I predict an average of 94 from here on out – more than enough to justify a selection as my D6 at full upgrade.

Thank me later but shusssssh – don’t tell anybody else.

 

Well community that’s my two cents – how much value you assign to it is entirely up to you however.

Stay tuned…..

Mick the Mad Irishman

Mick is one of the production crew members and a key writer for the inaugural Jock Reynolds Fantasy football magazine. He is a risk taker, pint drinker, deep thinker and just that little bit mad, but time and time again he has proved to be one of the best fantasy minds in the country. He has finished in the top 1% of game players for the last 5 years, with a season high finish of 27 in 2013.

 Follow the great man on twitter @Da_Mad_Irishman


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ollie

I haves S Selwood injured, with Tyson stinking it up. Would dumping them to bring in Sloane and Van Berlo be a good trade or should I hold Tyson for now? I have all the main bubble rookies, but only concern is Van Berlo keeping his current form.

ollie white

l think they are good trades but maybe change van berlo for vandenberg unless you already have in

Ollie

Already have vandenberg

I N Pieman

Nice one Mick. Loved the the Bont Fyfe Wines & Jaeger comparison. I'd suggest the other 3 boys played in teams where they didn't cop attention yr 2. Wines nup others got tagged. Jaeger nup Gary got the tag. Fyfe nup others ahead. The Bont will cop more attention than they did in the 2nd year & I think it will take it's toll. Love watching him but can't pick him. Great article as always Mick.

NateCrows

I agree totally Pie. Who else will be tagged at bulldogs?
the other guys were further down the pecking order. It's a shame for Bonts' SC scores but i reckon he will be better for the tag and make him work harder. I think next year he will be one of my first picks….

Dee

Been in my team since day 1…. #bloodygun

SideBySidebottom

A gun is someone who performs at elite level for years. He's just a kid just out of nappies and his bottom's smelly.

Riley

Gooday Community!

Wondering who should cop the VC out of Sloane, Danger, Gray, Swan or Dusty?

Need two on field in my defence out of McIntosh, Oxley and Saad.

Need two on field in my forwards out of Clark, Salem and Hogan.

Cheers For All Thoughts! 🙂

Tom

I like Sloane as a VC, in the defense Saad looks like the safest bet probably followed by McIntosh. In the forward line, if you have Salem I think that you have to have him on field while Hogan/Clark is a 50/50 for mine.

Dwain

Raining in adelaide! I’m going Shiel for vice and Fyfe as captain

luke

I think saad will be the most consistent 80-90 point player. I’ve got all 3 as I imagine most do. Having hamling on the bench gives me the luxury of loopholing Oxley. If he does poorly, switch McIntosh back on field. Mcintosh still had 24 possessions and 7 marks last week, just had a fair few clangers that affected his score. So if I was forced to make a choice I would probably go McIntosh.

the sprinkler

hey there's another article that lists the rookies in order of how much they will score- but they are only suggestions. the idea of being a SC is too make our own decisions. and to think outside the box.

Nat Fyfe will C every week for the majority of games. those who have the guts to go sloane, goldy, pendles, jpk on the right day may just come out on top. oxley could score 50 this week or 120. which do you think he will score? thats what counts

michael

Hope you’ve got Swannie like I have – 70pts at h/t!

Riley

Nice! I ended up not choosing Swannie as VC instead I have backed Sloane to go big tomorrow 🙂 Hope it pays of in the end! Swan is killing em tho 105 3QT!

Asada Bin Testin

I've had him since Rnd 1 and pleased to say the least with his output. I think he'll get to around mid season before he runs out of steam, at which time I'd be happy to cash in on his SSS. With respect to this week's game, I don't think the Hawks will be put a hard tag on him as such – I think there's some in front of him that they'll look at first – Dalhaus, Boyd and Macrae for instance. Also, I reckon their sheer arrogance and the sting from last week's surprise loss is likely to see them take the field and simply blast the Doggies off the park!

Brillsy21

Is it worth trading Cripps to NVB
Same goes with Lamb to Mcgrath

Matt

No, Cripps is playing this week.

Gordo

Hold lamb or trade to lonie or McGrath? Newton to vanberlo or hold as well

Adz

Out: Goodes
In: T.McDonald or S.Savage?

Matt

Savage.

the sprinkler

hehehehehehehehe i guess you havent read this article?

creeker

You're not that mad Mick. Great timing for this top read.
Started with Gaz, Wells and Rich. The idea was if Gaz got off to a stinker, I would trade him out along with the worst performing player of Wells and Rich.
Already have Fyfe, Pendles and Sloane, so would prefer not to trade in a round 12 prem. (JPK).
Looking at – Lewis and the Bont. (injury cloud over Bont has me nervous)
Also considering – Wines and Dangerfield or Wines and Prestia.
The trades I'm most keen on is Jordan Lewis and Dylan Shiel. Lewis will be a keeper. Shiel may not, but with a breakeven of 15, he is going to make some good coin in the next few weeks. Could almost be a direct swap for Joel Selwood, (breakeven 203) in the next few weeks.
Would welcome some advice on which prem combo you would choose to replace Gaz and Wells.

Dean

Hey Mick, I'm not picking up the Bont as I have no reason to downgrade (my mids are Fyfe, JPK, Pendles, Selwood, Griffen) as I started without king Gaz. I would like to note that he averaged 102?? SC points in his last 10 games of 2014 (if i recall correctly).

Tom

92 SC ponits over the last 10 games

Welcome

Derek

A couple of them were scaled up a lot which isn’t happening as much this year

Dan

Is it worth downgrading Selwood to Shiel, knowing that I'm going to lose a bit of money from Selwood in the coming weeks and possibly gain a bit from Shiel?

Brillsy21

No point wasting a trade, Selwood is a keeper

AMERICANMAGPIE1

No way! Selwood is going to go off against GCS this weekend…..He's a keeper!

Derek

Do you mean Joel? The same guy who has received 148 Brownlow votes over the last 7 years?

Dee

Should I trade Beams? Should I downgrade Selwood? Haven't we learned just over a week ago when people traded out D. Martin to T. Walker?

Matt

Hmmm do I go B Goodes to Savage or Oxley? Thoughts appreciated

AMERICANMAGPIE1

I would guess Oxley….I had him on my side since the start of the season

Derek

Some reason Jock didn’t start with Oxley but he is stuffing him in this week

Dee

Jock had his eye only on Goddard, talked him up all pre season and hasn't even played a bloody game…. He definitely is a Saints supporter and I got a feeling he's mob will get up tonight against the wobbles!

Frank

Colliwobbles died in 1990. I've got the t-shirt.

lostlarrikin

Nice work Mick.
On Monday I was all ragey and chomping to go Gaz/Cripps into Bont/Shiel.
Have simmered down, taken an extra blue pill, and now steering away from both.
As you rightly point out, the odds of Shiel being a top 8 mid by season end is pretty slim.

My concerns on Bont are purely on his (suspected) injury. If he doesn't play, it will be a last minute decision by the Dogs. Mayhem!
If he does play (and why the hell would they risk him?) I see Langford all over him like a leech on a Hippo's delivered placenta. That calf injury will be a constant source of entertainment for the Hawks while Bont is at the bottom of every huddle.

I really want to see Bont over the next 3 wks before I commit a trade.

Crowls

Lost spot on mate. If you dont have him why take on another risky trade. I love this kid, on another site my avatar is this kid and pendles "The old and the new" I had him from the start so keeping him until he runs out of puff or maybe stays as D6.

God help us next year. Also loved the leech reference. Will be interesting to see what Langford can do if Bont plays.

@Seekersupacoach

Bont is definitely a top 6 forward and I'll get as a forward once my forward rookies mature. Think it's dangerous to use the Ablett trade for the Bont this week especially if he scores a 72 and Fyfe, Sloane or Lewis score 130+ . Even if you swing the Bont forward you are likely having to use a rookie as another trade or as on field coverage for the loss of Ablett

John T

What is a better trade: Goodes > Oxley or Cripps > NVB. No bench cover in defence as Goddard is D8.

Derek

I would go Godard to Oxley. You do know that Godard isn’t playing?

John T

But goodes is more

Jason

I took a punt on bonts from the start of the year as a pod!!Not anymore! What do u think his ceiling price will be?

Derek

My calculation he will hit ceiling at $539k

Crowls

Selwood could be down to that by then for a straight swap if you are inclined. Would you trade him out if he holds form against Hawks, Swans et al.

Unless he gets a long term injury bigger spuds growing in my backline. Plus need some fertilizer on Wells.

Tulendeena

Newton to NVB?

NVB will appreciate much quicker, and with the likes of Krakouer and Lambert coming back in, fast may be better than slow

Thoughts?

the sprinkler

To everyone wanting to trade NVB in for Cripps out- yes do it. It will give my team a distinct advantage as well as keeping me 1 trade up on everyone who does it.

Seriously though- I am assuming EVERYONE who is considering that trade never watches football. or should i say have never seen NVB play and Cripps play lately.

What makes anyone think NVB is better than Cripps? And are they serious? And is everyone here suggesting that trade trolling? I am totally bemused as to why A) people would waste a sideways trade in round 3 and B) who would think NVB is worth a trade and a sideways trade and C) who actually thinks NVB is better than Cripps?

Is the joke on me or are people really considering using a trade to bring in NVB???

thanks in advance

Derek

Early Cash generation will cost trades, a lot of trades. 1 to get NVB in and another to trade him out, usually the second trade needs another one to create the cash to get a premo.

I prefer to wait with a war chest and pick up the fallen premiums.

Brook

What is the better trade:

Cripps to NVB

KK to Savage

T.J

None… both sideways trades. Pointless.

Derek

Don’t do either. Waste

Crowls

Would love to do this trade myself and choking on the french fries KK is putting up. Thought he would play mids and get more ball. Hanging out to do KK to Smith. Will downgrade a ruck if I have to. Maric to Grundy or Belly. Assumes no more nasty surprises.

the sprinkler

pretty sure bont would break langford in 2 if langford trys any ruff stuff. imagine a concrete meatball vs a swollen green pea.

bonts is fine- and i would actually say that the person is is tagging bonts should really consider themselves being tagged… by bonts. coz if the tagger gets the pill bonts will slam the tagger. heed these words.

also bonts will never be cheap this cheap again…….. ever!!!

Tony

Bonts is a jet. But you are making him sound as if he is untagable. I doubt that as a second year player. His scoring will fluctuate wildly. I don't like his draw over the next five weeks or so and reports that he is sore. I think he could disappoint those who have jumped on from a scoring point of view over the coming weeks. He will be a future star though.

Crowls

Agree Bonts will dump his tagger into the turf a few times. If he PLAYS?? The big question. I beleive he is a 100+ Fwd for years end and started with him. Would I bring him in this week? Hmmm dont think so. I think not starting B Smith is a bigger problem for me. Would like him to be available on bubble next week and then bring him in for KK or Goodes.

Also agree it is unlikely Bonts will be this cheap in the future. Fyfe/Pendles type. Doesn't make it a certainty to bring him in though. Cash generation is a furfy. If you bring him in it should be as a keeper and D6 at year end so it is percieved EOY value against current price. If you dont see him being a keeper then rookies will generate more cash.

SideBySidebottom

Bontempelli is nineteen years old. He's young and tall and therefore his core is weak. If he leaves himself open he'll be at risk.

koodis

Want to get more security in my mids as I only went with 4 premos so think it makes sense to bring in NVB.

My bench has anderson , miller , Steele.
I am using Steele to access my fwd bench of Hogan and lonie if needed. So am thinking of booting either Anderson or miller for NVB.

Miller looks like he will pretty much play fwd most of the time so limited point scoring on offer. Anderson has more potential although I’m getting a bit tired of sweating the hawks side and then sub every week..

What do you guys think?

Matt

I have a similar dilemma with miller and Anderson. I’m considering vandemberg in for 1 of these guys. Anderson played pretty crappy last week so he may not get a game this week – if he does then ill prob stick with him and give miller the boot. Clarke really rates Anderson and I think he”ll get games but geez there are so many good players at hawks ready to step in.

Jules

Worth trading Lids for Bont? Have enough $ to get JPK otherwise thru switch (I have Gray currently in the guts) and that’s what I’m leaning towards but worried about missing the Bont traiń

Thoughts?

Derek

If I had Delidio I would get rid of him. If he comes back next week he will still be under injury cloud. Risk

NateCrows

THE BONT

andy

Is it worth trading out ibbo for savage ?

Stevo

Don't sideways trade, I would only upgrade/downgrade ibbo

T.J

JPK or Sloane… cannot decide

Stevo

Flip a coin… I'd go Sloane

Mac

Will Thompson coming back effect Sloane's scoring?

Tony

No. Sloane's a star. I don't have him but can't wait to get him in.

Mac

Got Goodes, do i hold him or trade him down to Hamling/Goddard who will play later in the season. Already have Saad, McIntosh, Oxley

Stevo

Possibly. Goodes is named last on the extended interchange which is a worry, you can do so if you want 70k extra

Kev

May as well hold him if you've got no viable option, Mac. His price is not going to plummet

Stevo

Thoughts on Tory Dickson? I've upgraded Lamb to him or Honeychurch. I'm convinced with Dickson because his scores so far have been 82 and 119, BE of -54, and is named to play in the wing against the Hawks. 248k

Kev

Averaging 14 touches, Stevo. Not enough for me. Kicked 6 goals so far so will need to keep that up to continue posting high numbers

Mike

Sloane has the much easier draw, but Thompson coming in might take some of his points. Toss a coin, you'll do well with either. Reckon the herd is going with Sloane.

Mac

Will Thompson take points?

Derek

I’m going to try the VC on Travis Cloke tonight. Gut feeling

Dee

Good luck with that Derek, sometimes you just gotta go with your instincts….

Charlesy

It’s a tall out of form big man in the wet at night mate. But you have big balls. Good luck

Derek

Is it raining?

dognino

They said on the radio it's been wet

dognino

Geez, woulda been a good call Derek if he could kick straight

Derek

He did ok. Not unhappy having him

Nick r

Ibbotson to savage? Or is that a waste of a trade ? Or should i get adam oxley in for a rookie who isn’t getting a game?

Mac

WASTE

Ryan

Oxley a must have

Ty

Never done the Capt' Loophole before ….
Do I put Captain on a someone not playing , then put Vice Captain on someone playing in an early game …. take score if it's good , if not then switch Captaincy to Someone else playing ?
Thanks

Mac

Yes. For example.

Put the VC on Sloane and the C on Tom Read.

If Sloane gets a score you are unhappy with, put the captain on someone playing later like Fyfe.

BUT, make sure when you have the C on Tom Read at the start, you have your emergency on your ruckman who will be playing, for example Maric.

Ty

Thanks Mac : ) …. so I gather Tom Read is not playing

Mac

No Tom Read is not playing

Luke

Which trade is better, goodes to oxley (210k in war chest) or n.brown to oxley (123k in wc)?

Jordan

Goodes to Oxley for extra cash and someone for bench coverage in brown still

phil

Goodes

Cyril is Delicious

Community,
Going GAJ down to Sloane, should I go
Miller > NVB or Rich?
Would it be to many Adeladie mid fielders having Sloane, NVB and CEY?
Cheers

Ryan

Nvb, and no, with the exception of Sloane, the other two aren't keepers, just waiting for the price rises

Dennis

Ive seen many people picking Sloane over JPK. Does the return of Thompson mean Sloane will not score as many points?

Rambos_Radish

Cockatoo to Van Berlo
or
Lambert to Lonie
with all other rookies accounted for on every line!
cant do both due to cash!
Thoughts community?

curt

Nvb

bombers94

Anderson to NVB or Miller to NVB
Thoughts ?

adam

oxley, saad and mcintosh, pick 2 to put on the field
cheers

I N Pieman

Oxley and McIntosh

Dee

Oxley, McIntosh… Saad will struggle against the Cats at Kardinia Park.

Brook

If I trade tonite can I do another tomorrow

jacob

Yes as long as you’re not trading players from st Kilda or Collingwood.

Matt

Yep

Dee

I don't think so champ…

shane

With Goodes out (presumably) My backline will field all 3 of Saad, Oxley and Mcintosh, with Brown as D7 cover. Hoping this can see me through the next 2-3 weeks and start bringing in premiums. Currently have 5 mids in Fyfe, Lewis, JPK, Pendles and Griffin. Ruck is Mummy and Goldy with TBC at F4. I have all the rookies I need, and was hoping to target a Selwood in the mids or maybe Goddard, Harvey or another forward ASAP if my backline can play every game for 2-3 weeks, avoiding using Brown. Is this too much risk?

ATM these 3 defender rooks look like holding their own against the mid rooks, which would make bringing in Mid premiums better for my scores. Griffin was originally a placeholder for GAJ and Rockliff, but now I might try to force him to M9 by seasons end as there is no rush on either of those 2. He could easily become Sloane or Selwood, but Im thinking the trade is better later on.

Any thoughts on how fielding the 3 rookie defenders for hopefully 3 weeks will plan out? Chances are I'll probly be forced to play Brown.

Crowls

Oh how I wish Goodes was out. Give me the loophole I needed.
The three rookies are doing a good job and will be ready for slaughtering in a couple of weeks. Pity there arent more dpp players.

Crowls

Oh how I wish Goodes was out. Give me the loophole I needed.

Billy

Bont out

NutSack

So there's rumours that theres a chance Bont could be a late out and Boyd aswell- which Boyd? they didn't say

shane

Where did you hear that mate?

Frank

They didn't hear it anywhere. They just have nothing constructive to add

BigDropKick

Think they are referring to this …..

"Bontempelli was named in the team and is expected to fly to Tasmania as the Dogs give him time to be fit, but he has struggled with tightness and soreness in the calf all week. "
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/hawthorn-hawks/key-h

NateCrows

This will happen all year and scares the living turd out of me.

Late outs when im at the pub watching a game and not paying attention!!!

SideBySidebottom

Get the Footy Alerts App Nate,

camdoggs army

So would you recommend goodes to savage?

ryan

thoughts?

Beams to Rich
Goodes to either b.smith or gibson???

could be some good cash generation in the first trade and second trade bulsters up backline.

BigDropKick

Who on should I put on field ?
Oxley , Saad or Goodes ( yes I still have him atm : )
Vandenberg , Ellis-Yolmen or Heeney

Ryan

Saad is the only consistent def rookie so far so I'd pick him, and ellis-yolmen, could deliver a 90+ score

James

Lewis for Gazza and Rich for Cripps
Or
Lewis for Gazza and Goodes for Savage?
Bearing in mind I also have Newnes in the defense

Gordo

lonie or mcgrath?

Gordo

or is it worth trading goodes to bruce or hunt?

Corey

dylan shiel for ryan griffen
or h lumbumba to b smith
also should i start lonie or m clarke?

Marco_Polo94

That's a lot of sideways trading my man

Crowls

Both sideways trades. Why do it. Look at upgrading Wells/Rich or whatever mid pricer is in your backline.

Charlesy

Riewoldt out.

Trab Pukcip

Seriously community, look @ the teams these 3 blokes have played! There’s your reason for their high scores! Bring them in @ your own peril! They are ‘flash in the pants” players!

Marco_Polo94

Agreed on all but savage. I actually really like that selection, and you could argue the stronger teams will force the ball in saints defence more which will only help savage's output

Trab Pukcip

Savage 70's, shiel 50's…..2 down one to go!

Marco_Polo94

And the bont is out! #supercoach

NutSack

sen 1116 7.03pm – N Riewoldt OUT

Fred

Can u still trade after lockout?

eatemalive

yeah mate, partial lockout means you can trade players that haven't played yet throughout the round.

Locked and Loaded

Start Ahmed Saad or Lonie??

Dennis

Lonie

Locked and Loaded

Reason why spends more time up the ground!?

Dennis

Who to start on field. Pick 2.
Oxley, McIntosh, Saad.

Was thinking McIntish and Saad but not sure about Saad down at K Park

Locked and Loaded

Saad pretty consistent throw a blanket over all of them Oxley and Mcintosh have shown they can go 100+

jimmydowland

lamb to lonie/mcgrath?

or

Cripps to vanberlo..

Marco_Polo94

lamb to mcgrath

shane

Last minute trade freak-out. Have Lambert and 276k in kitty, one trade to use. Have Krakour for Mid link so can trade Lambert to any of the following….
Rich (don't like this one)
NVB (not sure about spening 100k when hes unlikely to go over 400k)
Ahmed Saad, Lonie or Mcgrath (thinking 1 of these and obviously need to choose NOW)

Connor

Daniel Rich – $348,300
BE = -21
Fixture Until Bye – Richmond, West Coast, GC, Carlton, Port Adelaide, Essendon, St. Kilda, GWS
VS
Marcus Bontempelli – $422,300
BE = -19
Fixture Until Bye – Hawthorn, Adelaide, Sydney, St. Kilda, Fremantle, Melbourne, GWS, Port Adelaide

Both players have Round 11 byes and ‘The Bont’ clearly has the tougher fixture. So… WHO SHOULD I PICK???

jake

beam —> Rich gives extra 200k +

thoughts???

Marco_Polo94

nope stick with your premiums

Doc2Drej

This week's trades:
OUT: Hallahan and Cripps
IN: Shiel and McGrath

No Bontempelli or Tex, who many experts have said are 'must haves' (the Bont especially)

Thoughts?

Marco_Polo94

Don't think Bont is a must.. not a bad selection tho. I wouldn't be jumping off cripps i've held him, it's funny how quickly people jump off players after a bad game. After nab cripps was the hottest thing on the market aha

rowdy

If i don't have Hogan in my fwd line should i get him in this week and should i use either Lambert or Miller(mid).My other fwd rookies are Salem,Clark,Lonie and Lamb

Marco_Polo94

I'd get rid of one of the Lambs. Hogan is a must

Marco_Polo94

Holy moly what a first quarter of football!! #carnthepies

jko4177

Beams to The Bont?
This means I can afford ibbotson to simpson, or i could go ibbotson to hunt and miss out on the bont until a later time.
I believe beams will struggle greatly with a tag with Rockliff out at least a month. However, I am reluctant to trade him out because surely he will get better, and the Bont probably wont keep up his great from.

carlashirley90

Ur crazy

On what proof by which you say? That's crazy, oh already said that

Crowls

I held on to Martin and Cotchin all year last year and Beams is better than both of them. Not trading him. Rule 1 NO SIDEWAYS TRADING. Someone in earlier reply said only trade up to Premiums. I would add or down to cashcow rookies.
Rule 2, Read Rule 1.
Mate going to cost you 2 trades for stuff all points.

Tulendeena

Vanden or Cripps for a higher score?

carlashirley90

Collingwood do under the table deal with the umps tonight?

carlashirley90

Collingwood players ducking all night getting frees and StKilda player gets pushed into the fence, no free lol
Im an Adelaide supporter but I have never seen such one sided ignorance by Umpires like this

Jock must be cracking a carton open as a speak!

11 mins left in the 3rd quarter 21-8 frees

Charlesy

Waaaaaaaaaaaaa

carlashirley90

Ok?

Marco_Polo94

Not sure about that. Regardless tho saints struggled with no reiwoldt. they had no target up front. and structurally were horrendous after the first quarter.

Filthy

Why does the free kick count have to be even?

carlashirley90

Obviously you guys above did watch the game, note I never said the free kick count had to be even. I love the fact that people reply only to criticise

See it a lot on YouTube
I am getting sick of the half brain comments and repays on here

BundyBear

LOL. Thats it. Even if the free kick count was even then the Saints would of lost by even more.

SideBySidebottom

Well Carla all I can tell you is that when conditions get slippery and players can't hold their feet as well as on a dry night the team hitting the contest harder tends to draw free kicks.

SideBySidebottom

……and you haven;t seen ignorant umpires on that level before you should watch a suburban game of football. I don;t think you'd even recognise the game.

Andy

Anyone else put the VC on Swanny? He’s winding back the clock tonight!

Derek

I went VC on Cloke. Pity he didn’t kick straight

Brett

Got lucky tonight … vc swanny , downgraded n brown to ox and loopholed him with hamling ! So dont have to ride the wave with goodes

Decisons on gaz… mids are fyfe, kennedy, j selwood , griffen, rich , judd and a rookie @ m8 ! Do i bank 500k with nvb or take a premium , ie Sloane , lewis or wines

Locked and Loaded

SLOANE no doubt

Brett

Im just thinking points generation though … Sloane yeh is a rolled gold keeper , but im batting ok in the mids … is the money better spent upgrading 2 mids in defence goodes and pearce quickly as it’s got the potential to cause more inconsistencies than the mid field spot

Brett

Cheers for the input aswell mate

Marco_Polo94

You have to consider why you selected gaz in the first place – as a super premium player who will produce captain scores. Therefore it makes sense to replace him with someone you know will deliver the same. You could roll the dice and go with some in form players who are a bit cheaper but it will mess your team up if those players (bont, shiel etc) stop their hot form and you then have to waste another trade to upgrade them. Dunno if any of that makes sense, basically just bring in someone you know will be a keeper.

BundyBear

Yep. I had the VC on Swan . And am keeping it too. 300 is way good enough for me. put the C on tom lamb and emergency on Robbie gray

Pavos

Crips or vandenberg onfield

eatemalive

i also have Heeney to think about as he might get vested ,not sure might gamble on Cripps as I reckon he will start with Byrne vested

ben

wtf only to players cracked the ton newnes 97 dreamteam 53 supercouach and how did steven and pendels not crack the ton

ben

the scores just changed

Indecision

My opponent had swan, I do not…thank god he didn't vc him.
I need to choose to take Ahmed saads 64 or see if hogan can do better away against the crows.
I know 64 is a spud score but do you reckon hogan is likely to spud it up worse than that??

Rick Grimes

I’d probably take the 64. Crows gonna dominate you’d think, could be few opportunities.

Also am sans Swan. Can’t have em all, but feel a bit bummed I didn’t jump on that bandwagon. Just hoping all the Swan owners went on Bonts and he stinks it up this week.

Frank

I chose Lonie over Hogan and am still 50/50 whether it will be the right move and that's based on a 37. 64 would be nice at F6. I'd take it.

Northernsoul74

I'd gamble on Hogan personally. 64 is ok but you know your down on points against your opponent. Bont under an injury cloud so could be a late out.

Gold Rush

Roll the dice. Hogan

Dennis

Do I take Lonies 61 or roll the dive with Clark?

Mac

Lonie didn't get 61, he got 37. Put Clark on field.

Gold Rush

I'll dive with Clark because I don't like being Lonie.

eatemalive

Lonie scored 61 last week, 37 last night – you need to look at Gameday for upto date scores

Fred

Who do I put on the field hogan or clark

Frank

Clark for sure. No Tomahawk it seems, and should have plenty of chances. May go quite large.

Josh

Tom Lamb lining up at half forward for East Perth today in the WAFL.
Still worth trading him out for McGrath?
Anyone know what McGrath's JS is looking like?

Mke

Keep him.m

BundyBear

Im using Tom Lamb as my captains loop. Had the VC on Swan last . Least tom lamb is good for something

Mike

Thanks for that 58 from Savage Mad Mick!

(Ok I'd actually put him in before I read your article, but now I have someone to blame. )

Marco_Polo94

He got a knock and was out for pretty much the entire second quarter. I'm sure he will be fine! 🙂 I thought he scored 74?

Connor

Who Do I Pick?

D. Rich, M. Bontempelli OR someone >500k

Marco_Polo94

Depends entirely on your current structure and who you are trading out.

Dom

Start Vberg or cripps?

Tyler

Vandenberg for sure. Although saying that if Mick let's Cripps play his own game he could go large

Marco_Polo94

Yeh i've decided to go cripps because i think less will start him.

Antonio

Did Anybody else start Lonie on? Are we screwed?

Mac

Cripps, Heeney, Vandenberg pick 2 to start

BundyBear

Hmmm I got the same dilemma. But only between Heeney and Cripps. Thinking about starting Cripps. He has to get it right. I dont think he wants Mick to backdoor him again this week

Tyler

Heeney and Vandenberg I reckon. Cripps is just too unpredictable for mine.

Brook

Anyone bring the bont in today? Rumours are circling but they were around for TBC last week

BundyBear

Dont believe rumours. Rumours had Josh Kennedy out last week. He kicked 10 goals.

the sprinkler

yeh i avoided bonts this week. most unlikely to play according to most footy stations tonight. too risky to bring in a round 3 donut. was gonna trade cripps for bonts but kept cripps. maybe bobts will play- maybe not. you'll find out very soon

WombatsFC

Hey Mick Savage is just an injury waiting to happen. Sure he might ave 93 for rest of the year but if you include 0 for each of the 4 games that he'll miss before round 23 that average drops to 76.

Mozz

Don't trade in the Bont just yet. Will be a late out

Northernsoul74

Beveridge saying Bont is certain to play. Does seem to suggest Bont may need to be managed through the season though.

the sprinkler

wow- most sports reprters saying he is most unlikely to play.

carlashirley90

Ok thank you to Charlesy Bundy bear and Filthy I will not come back on this site again, I made one comment from a nuetral stand point about the umpiring and I get childish criticism. If I was to expect responses like that maybe youtube is the place but here I have found it offensive. I add to this comunity and been apart of it longer than people know. I am not going to put up with stupid comments like above, all I was doing was talking about the game.

Thank Marco who actually conversed back about the game instead of being like the other three who had to paint me as whining Saints supporter, I go for Adelaide, I know free kick counts don't have to be even, I just put up my view on the game.

Thank you Jock for your wisdom over the last 4 years

Marco_Polo94

No worries. Don't pay attention to idiotic comments that don't add value to the thread, there are idiots everywhere. would be a shame for you to not come back!

Mozz

Don't go :'(

Tofor

Come on Carla, don't take it to heart. Show a bit of resilience…
Don't run off over something so petty 🙂

BundyBear

Hmm. I dont recall saying you were a whining saints supporter. I dont remember having a go at you at all. Dont know what made you think that I did. But I guess people can read into things anyway they want. Lighten up and dont be so serious

Filthy

I can't see what was offensive in your comment or mine Bundy, and I had no intent to offend anyone either.
I apologise for any offense taken, however I don't appreciate the "I am taking my bat-and-ball and going home response and then calling people childish and stupid just because they have a contrary viewpoint to theirs.

Bellybuttonfluff

Wow I don't think the comments were that bad. I'm saying this in a polite friendly manner btw. I've been in a lot of forums, including being in some heated arguments with moron racists, you know how narrow minded those people can be. But I don't think these guys were actually as bad,if at all, as you are making out. Hope you stay and are just having a bad day, like we all do 🙂

Gold Rush

Think your being a bit precious, read the replies and don't see the problem bar a element of not agreeing with your comment. Such is life.

Filthy

You made a post about one sided umpiring and I responded "Why does the free kick count have to be even".
What is offensive about that?
Where did I indicate you were a "whining Saints supporter"?
You put your view up – that's fine.
Indicating that my contrary view is "childish" or "stupid" IS offensive. Luckily I have a thick skin. At the risk of being offensive – grow up.

shezza

Traded out Beams to VB and Lamb to Swan. So far, happy with my trades

Marco_Polo94

I hope Beams makes you regret trading him out for my team's sake aha!

BundyBear

Beams will go LARGE today

the sprinkler

LOL- why would anyone trade out beams?????????????? thats ludicrous!!

shezza

Swan and Vb got approx 210 points between them compared to Beams and Lamb 125. Also have VB going up in value. Still very happy with my selection

Zilla

Your're mad Shezza… seriously.

Mozz

Sloane or Fyfe for the M1 position…..?

Marco_Polo94

#fyfeislife

Locked and Loaded

Seriously cannot decide on Heppel or JPK I know you all think JPK is the best option although is it that silly to bring in Heppel instead??

Marco_Polo94

Not silly, less people have heppell and he has looked great so far. He is a very consistent super coach player! Can't go wrong with either.

TOPHAWK1

I dont have a problem with Heppell at all. Super consistent and rarely gets injured (Touch wood……..LOL) I dont have him, but he could be a strategic point of difference player for you. Probably many more going for JPK.
Cheers

Charlesy

Not silly at all mate. Heppell is an emerging SuperCoach stud muffin so back yourself in

Locked and Loaded

Thanks for the backing boys was the right decision this week and had a generally quiet game as was tagged all day and manage to get 107. Happy days this WILL be his elite year

Tree

Looking at trading Goodes to Brodie Smith but not sure if Smith will be playing today after his concussion last week? Can anyone shed some light on the situation?

Charlesy

Crows reporting no changes mate and have named Wright as sub. Seems like Smith is playing unless they pull him out super late like saints did with Roo last night.

TOPHAWK1

Brodie Smith is playing today. Been named. If you want to trade him in for Goodes you have approx 35 minutes to do so from the time of my post. Game starts at 1.40 Adelaide time/2.10 Melbourne time.Cheers

Tree

Cheers guys I really appreciate the help!

Nathan

Does anyone know how long Lonie is out for? Got a knee injury last night.

Kev

Looked fine to me. Walked off the field and was running sprints on the sidelines

Nic

Tom Lamb to Jaden McGrath or Cam McCarthy?

Kev

If you have the other top rookies and he is your F8, leave him. If you must trade, McGrath only because he's cheaper

Martin

Vandenberg is on 54 at 3qt, do i loop lambert to get his score or play heeney?

Patrick

Should i take hogans score or go with mcgrath?

THE SALTSHAKERS

MICK, JOCK!!!! you need to let Champion Data know their SC final scores have a bug/fault – last week in hawks vs bombers they used 3qtr time SC scores then topped up a few key players. Hodge & Lewis got robbed. Happened again in Crows vs Dees CYE final sc was 107sc, Hogan 59 if u check Gameday in sc has CYE 72 Hogan 42 —- the SC will be ruined if this isnt fixed. Doctor Supercoach on facebook page has screenshots of final scores for verification

Simo

total agree….checked Sloane's score using Gameday and he was heading towards 120 during the last quarter….just checked final score he is now 94??? How does that work??? He had 30 disposals including 10 tackles

simo