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The Gary Ablett Poll

Published by Jock on

Will Gary Be In Your TeamI’ve spent most of the day counselling distressed fantasy coaches

I assure you – these situations are designed by a higher power to test us.

They are designed to test us as fantasy footballers. Test our experience. Our resolve. Flexibility. Robustness of plum. Our ability to not crap ourselves at a critical point in the preseason.

Its time to debate a very important conundrum here today. We will not see The Great Gary Ablett play in the NAB Challenge. He has expressed concern about the state of his shoulder. For the first time there is at least some doubt he will play Round 1.

The hypothetical situation is this. Let’s say he’s named in the Round 1 side – but some doubt remains around whether he will take his place in the side.. he’s shoulder is still ginger..

Will you select Gary Ablett in your team?

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My answer? Select. Gary. Ablett.

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Dig Dug

can't afford to have a 700k+ player on the bench. Downgrade him to beams/gray/pendles and stash the extra cash in the warchest.


Personally I think you can afford to have 700k on the bench if it's just for one round.

Are you a league or overall player?


Kidding right? Straight lock, no matter if he doesn't play until, round 3


Disagree. Pick the most expensive player that you like and can afford. Make sure you have enough cash left over to buy Gaz when you sell this other player that you like. After Ablett has played two pick him up. If you don't get Gaz in then you are not serious about Supercoach but you can't afford the loss of points by having him sit on the pine for the first round or two or three or four……..!
Simple really.

Gold Rush

Makes sense to me.

General Soreness

The winner of the overall will start without GAJ if he is not named Round 1.




Spot on General


If he lines up round 1 do we pick him? I think the last time he didnt play any preseason games was in 2011.
He scored 91, 141, 109, 95, 75 in his first 5 games.

General Soreness

In 2011 he was not returning from a shoulder reconstruction and had participated in pre season contact drills.


LOL Happy St Patricks People,
Remember me …..


You were correct, Dools. All hail.

To put simply, not going to pay the highest price for someone who isn't near peak condition. He makes his living in the guts and nursing a less than 100% shoulder. More importantly, this is Gaz's first major injury. Mentally that will take much to overcome. And the type of injury, his shoulder won't be the same as it was, so he will have to adjust. In other words, averaging 130+ is a bit much to expect given those conditions.

Love, love Gaz. But Supercoach is a cold, brutal world. Thus, will not be starting in my side and wait to see how he comes out. First upgrade once he starts going 120+ or value drops $150K.





Ever see the movie The Man Who Would Be King?


bit before my time unfortunately. would it help me decide on picking gary if i watch it?


Basically a man tries to be a god and gets killed when he proves to be mortal. Gary is mortal. Has played like a God. But is mortal. Treat accordingly.

My 2 cents, Marco.


Dools you're 4-5 months in front of us all now.

On a different note….little annoyed Rocky will be in more teams now.


Something is wrong with me… I have not once this pre-season entertained the thought of picking Rocky, and I remain unmoved even now. Just my gut feeling that he won't come close to the heights he reached in 2014.


I don’t believe rocky will keep his average as they have rich coming back and new players in Christensen and beams and young guns might become a bit better


Rocky was pumping out those numbers in the back half of 2013! He's a machine.

General Soreness

Play it down t_woof not up, we need everyone off Rocky.


Hahahaha….my bad!!

Yeah, nah boys he's too pricey.

Dig Dug

If it was just the coach that was worried about his shoulder and Gary wanted to play, maybe I would be confident of having him but it is Gazza himself that is worried about it. That speaks volumes IMO.


Agree. Tentativeness about the health of his shoulder should be a big warning sign.


Very much!!!


If GAJ is out, I'll have to restructure my entire side, as I'm sure so will many others.
Look on the bright side, it will certainly make the first few rounds interesting.
As good as he is, you can't average 135+ With a limited preseason. I'm taking him out and grabbing him when he drops to around $650K


Totally Rocksta. The dirty little secret is that this will make things MUCH more interesting.


It’s gonna seperate the supercoachers from the ladyboys

Gold Rush

Do ladyboys still have plums?


Haha I don’t know lol


I agree on the need to restructure, but hey, most of us are going to have to do that anyway when the suspensions are handed down to the Essendon players just before Round 1. Still don't know who to swap TBC to … looks like we might have to do without a ruck-fwd swing set.


If your serious about overall you CANNOT have 700k sitting on the bench for even just round 1. and I hate to say it but I reckon Gary could be a liability for the first 3-4 rounds whether playing or not. In saying that I’m sure eventually Gary will be Gary, we’ve just gotta work out when…. (And somehow have the $$$ to bring him in then)

The Egg

Not the time to poop our pants. He is a god whose fitness has been said to have been the best he has had this preseason. if his named round one, lock him in….have back up plan though.


If Gary is out Id want fast cash generation to get him back after hes price drops a bit (if it does at all) Would it be smart to pick up someone like wells/wallis who i think can get to around 450k easily over someone like newton/cripps. Thoughts??


That could be very smart indeed if GAJ starts off slower over the first 5-6 rounds (say, averages 100 to start before picking it up) and drops $100-150k. Burns a trade but if Wells/Wallis can have a fast start it has probably saved you $300k+ you can invest elsewhere in your structures. Wouldn't a crystal ball be handy right about now?!


you want fast cash go nakia cockatoo trust me he will be better then any rookie this year


I guess that means Rockliff is no longer a POD and Gaz now is ! Who has the purple plums now ?
Very interesting to see how we all handle this and the change in ownership levels !


It will be interesting who gets the most ownership rise from this. Does it mean those who fled Gary no longer have concerns about Rockliff's price? Or does Fyfe's shoulder now look better? It makes this start of the season a hell of a lot more interesting


Hahahahahahaha that's gold Patch!!

It's funny how quickly one's opinion may be changed.

The Egg

You would lose big scoring punch if you demote m1 spot to that. Dont trust you will be generating cash elsewhere?


Wow… I'm actually done. Like we didn't have enough problems to face before this occurred. This. Changes. Everything.

The Ranger

I'm sticking fat at the moment.
If he's named Rd 1 he's in.
Melbourne, St.Kilda and GWS in his first four games.
Too good a run of possible points to miss out on.
And not having Rockliff in my starting team means I can do a straight swap and then aim to bring in Ablett at the time I was planning on bringing in Rockliff should he not be named Rd.1.


Yes, but given the easy early draw, would they risk him?
I think they'll ease him in over the first few rounds. You simply do not take chances with AFL royalty.
He's out for me. Welcome back Gary around Rd 4 once his price has dropped significantly.



Significant. Easy starting draw and I see him wearing one of the vests, or sitting out the last quarter against these weaker teams.


I completely agree. I think he's a risk of either being the starting sub if named, or being subbed off after a half game to ease him into it. At the moment I've got him in my team, but I've got my finger poised over the trade button if he's either not named or still wearing the orange hat a week out from the season start.

The Ranger

So would you agree you have to have one of Ablett or Rockliff?




But the question is: If we get in Rocky for Gaz? Does it mean that we have to drop Beams?


I'm not going Rocky cos I'd already settled on Beams. I'm not going to let the Gaz conundrum effect my team structure. It'll just be a straight swap of Gaz to maybe Selwood or Fyfe, and then a straight swap back to Gaz if when he starts performing as whichever player I choose wasn't in my initial plans anyway.


Same idea I'll be running with Sarah. I'm always lucky enough to have a mid premo either suspended or injured in the 1st 4 rounds anyways, hard to think this year will be any different, except now I will be able to trade them out for gaz.


I'll probably go Fyfe, but go 6 deep in my mids.
Rocky is a gun but I just want to see how having Beamer in the team affects his top end. Remember, he needs to average 130+ to maintain his BE


Cheers Rocksta. Also, regarding the Rocky and Beams debate, who do we go out of those two, if your saying one is the best option.
Cheers, Benjo


I reckon you need to have both of them in your team sooner rather than later.
On that note, I may have to do an about face on my comment above- probably best start with Rocky and look at bringing GAJ in around rd 4-6, depending on if he plays rd 1.

Yes, this is definitely a drama.

The Ranger

Fyfes first four games are Port, Geelong, West Coast and Swans so it wouldn't surprise me if he drops a bit in price too.
I'll prob go to Rockliff myself as my structure only goes to D5.
I guess what we can agree on at least is that you need to have a plan!


Toss of the coin I reckon. Beams' starting numbers last year were too good to ignore.

The Ranger

Sorry, M5


Gosh, reading through these comments, I was almost settled on NOT starting him even if right for round 1, until seeing this. Uncertainty creeps in again.


I think this is a sign that this is the first year we must look for mid options down back! No premiums worth picking, no rookies solidly holding any spots and now we are given an extra $150k to spread around? I think the winner this year will have players between 270-380k holding spots through D3-5


Gaz will be in my team, the question now is When?


1st upgrade option, D. My back line will be thanking me for it.


Half a line of 270-380K players is far too risky for mine.


Agree, plus you’ll be needing to allocate trades to eventually get the line to premium. I’d prefer to use those 3-4 trades on corrective trades in the first few rounds. If you use them for both correctives and ultimately fixing your defence you will need to be hoping you have a dream injury run. Not prepared to take that risk round 1.


My D1-D3 is 400k to 450k, just because I think there are players in that bracket who will score as big as the players above them. My D4-D5 are 200k-300k, players who have already got a base and I think will end the year as 400k+ players, and possibly D5 and D6 at year end, then D6-D8 are the rookies. I think your on the right track with your comment, but as a few others have pointed out, too many mid pricers could be a bit of overkill.


I’m more concerned if he does play and runs around the forward line and collects a few lazy 85-90sc games. His price drops significantly and those he didn’t start round 1 with him get him cheap.

Significant development


Agree. For the first time it is a realistic possibility.


Aah crap there goes my pod from NOT having him.


you must have balls the size of Lisa Anne's breasts for not picking him in the beginning!


Without Ablett is Rockliff a must?

The Ranger

He is for me.


Rocky has more competition this year.
Beams, Christensen, Redden, maybe Rich too.
I'd be cautious in selecting him at first.


Agreed. The Lions midfield has certainly filled up around him.


Last year Pendlebury, Beams and Sidebottom all averaged over 110.
Sidebottom rarely attends centre bounces and the team finished out of the eight,
Beams and Rockliff will have support, not competition.
Good players score points irrespective of their teammates.


And I think the next best Pie was Swan at 86 avg.
At Brisbane there is Rockliff, Redden, Beams, Rich, Zorko, Hanley (when he returns) and Christensen. All these players are capable of scoring 100's in any given game. Far more than there were at the Pies. I agree the good players will still score well, but they do share in only 3300 points. My point is I like Beams better than Rockliff for point scoring value at this stage.


SC Score 2014 2013 2012
Pendlebury 124 127 125
Swan 86 117 126
Beams 116 102 123
Sidebottom 113 103 106

The top two Pies have scored more than 115 in the last three years.

Rockliff and Beams could do the same this year.


But there is also the fact that beams is playing at Brisbane not collingwood 2 complete different clubs with different game plans, if you understand my point


SC Score 2014 2013 2012
Rockliff 132 110 97
Redden 103 98 103
Hanley 104 96 91
Zorko 99 83 100

These are the numbers for Brisbane's different game plan mindfull of the change in coach.

All four players numbers improved in 2014. Rockliff and Beams will score well in tandem.


Interesting question. I think either Rockliff of Fyfe will be needed. Mumford will get the (c) in round one in my side. I think we need to look for higher ceilings elsewhere for the first rounds.


Until I see how the new scoring really affects the Ruck scores, no way am I putting the 'C' on Mummy round 1!


Can anyone confirm they are using new system in NAB? If so, just watch first half of GWS’ last game and I’m sure Mummy will come back on your radar for C.


might be subbed.


Think the only must is Pendles. Everything else is up for debate. Not going Rocky. Leaning Fyfe. Also, could use the money to beef up back line, especially if there's only 2 starting rooks available.


I finished a No Gaz team only minutes ago, and Pendles was an absentee…..

No Gaz or Pendles… that i think of it….is that too ballsy?


That is really ballsy. Love it though.


I don't mind revealing as i know it'll change again in 48 hours.

Rocky, Fyfe, Selwood, Parker, Griffen, Swallow, Cripps, Newton.

Andy Swallow has a Round 13 Bye, Gaz & Pendles Round 12. Andy to one of them in Round 13 trades….


Diggin Twoof! Have Cripps/Newton combo as well.


Cheers Throtts!!

Good to know i'm on the right track with same Cripps/Newton combo.

Like the % of Contested Possessions Cripps is gathering….along with his tackle count.


For sure!

Also, getting the sense there won't be as many quality rook mids. These two will help us make that cash.




As someone said above, I think Eade will give him the vest, or sit out last quarters, which will equate in a relatively poor score of Gaz's standards.


I've always been hesitant. Shoulders really affect your confidence. It's only human to be a little bit tentative with your tackles, diving into packs and reaching up for marks. I'm pretty sure Gaz is human (I think….) and it's got to affect his scoring for hsi first few games, even if his physical fitness otherwise is the best it's ever been.

I think I've got to go Beams and Fyfe now. Not sure I can fully trust Rocky just yet to be that #1 in SC. Fyfe has had a couple of little niggles over preseason but he's high in my thoughts. Think Pendles and Jelwood might drop below 120 this year.


If we get in Rocky for our sides as a replacement for Gaz, do we have to sacrifice Beams? Would like your thoughts in this massive dilemma! Cheers, Benjo


I don't think so Benjo.

Think years gone back, both Pendles & Swan were in plenty of sides. And then last season Pendles & Beams were in many starting sides.


Yeah alright cheers T Woof! Great point you made there. I suppose you just can't get off a player just because the points are being shared with another premo,


Lets all thank our lucky stars that Garry plays for GCS and not Geelong.

Imagine the same situation, except he is due to play on the Easter monday, last game of the round, and we are all waiting to hear a late change or not, with only 2 teams of players to switch to.

As it is, if GCS name Garry, then withdraw him at the last minute, we can jump on Rockcliff, or any other player from at least the 12 teams that play from Saturday night onwards, and if your quick, and the stars align the 4 teams playing at the time Garry is supossed to trott out.

Also, unusual for a player to mention an injury leading into a season, particularly a shoulder, like there wasnt a big enough target on his shoulder from opposition players.


even if he does play he's still got to get massive scores to match his BE. Could be an upgrade mid season though


My other lines will be unaffected by this. I have locked in a D5 and F3 structure. Perhaps my midfield will now go to M6.

It will be interesting to see what GAJ's ownership looks like at round 1 lockout.


I think if he is out then I think there is value to be found in a number of >$550k premiums. For example: Prestia, Boak, Treloar, Parker, JP Kennedy, D Beams perhaps even Wines. But will they generate cash increases…


Boak could well do … Esp with Crowley out

cow roll

Parker for me

The Ranger

The really bloody annoying thing it does is add another thing to the already long list of late decisions to be made!
I'm now waiting on GAJ, Nic Nat, quite a few mid rookies, Essendon Football Club, ASADA, all of the defensive rookies and Tom bloody Mitchell to stand up or fall over before I can pick my final team!


I've stopped tinkering with my side altogether at the moment, waiting for the ASADA outcome on 31 March. If there ends up being meaningful suspensions for the 2012 Bombers, then fantasy year 2015 will have more of a 2011 (Gold Coast rookies) and 2012 (GWS rookies) feel about it – with a whole heap of previously peripheral players firmly in the best 22 (presumably including the Replacements). Disaster for Bombers fans but a fantasy feast for Supercoachers. And this could change our structures, throwing up a heap of useful cheap Essendon defenders who will play every week (hello Ashby, Edwards, Dalgleish)


Say we keep gaz , and he named for round 1 game , but is a late out , if we take him out then and pick someone from the 12 clubs who have not played at that stage …. Does it take 1 away from our 30 trades or not … During round 1


Unlimited trades until the final match of Round 1 is played.


Really ? Ok cool thanks


Looking at Jock's great mag and the breakdown of how Gaz gets such huge score it is the tackles and the hard ball/contested possessions, with the game saving in the fourth stanza on top. Even Ablett will have to work his way back from a shoulder and Rocket will ease him back in for sure, his scores will drop even if he does play Rd 1. Tragic but true, Gaz will be an upgrade this year and we will have to think harder for the captain choice. Game on.


Not really relevant to the massive dilemma going on here fellas but what ruckman are we going in with?
I'm currently starting with Mumford and Bellchambers.


I had Bellchambers in my side until very recently, but the whole ASADA issue could come home to roost. I'd downgrade Mumford to someone a little less expensive (eg: Maric, Minson, Nic Nat etc.) and then maybe use the extra cash to upgrade Bellchambers to maybe a Zac Smith or someone along those lines.

Swans 2012

Taking Gary out I've gone crazy. I tried to invest the extra $$ into defence but still couldn't find anyone I could trust so ended up downgrading ibbo to jaksch instead and ablett to prestia, and upgrading Anderson to neale @ m6 (wells). Anyway team below will change but just my current thoughts. And yes I know defence is light but just can't bring myself to spend big dollars on unreliable 450k – 500k defenders that will likely drop during the year and May or may not be top ten defenders..

Def shaw, newness,savage, jakcsh, dalgleish, Goddard (saad,macintosh)
Mid pendle, sellwood prestia, danger Gray, neale wells Dawson (lambert Steele Heaney)
Ruck nn, luenhamaneggenburger(read)
Forward Goddard, franklin Martin swan clark lonie (Daniel krakoer)

Wells or read or both become Gary when Gary reveals that he is back to his god like self! Anyway thoughts?


Your defence is way too weak!!!!
Drop buddy to a rookie and upgrade defender to someone in the 430-510k range


Thanks for the thought, but no chance of me swapping a guaranteed 100-115 average (Buddy) top 8 forward for a guesswork maybe top ten defender. IMO buddy plus defence rookie say Goddard will score more than say Simpson plus a Lonie or Steele. I guess we’ll see…. Plus I reckon a light defence will PODify my team this year. Here’s hoping anyway….. In saying that I’m sure my defence will thicken up a bit before round 1, but not with anyone over $360k.


start again to many midprice


Buddy has averaged 90.4 and 99.9 in the last 2 years so not necessarily gonna average 100-115 plus I think he still has a little bit of trouble with his knee just think buddy is a better upgrade target


Point taken, buddy bad example, more of a personal selection for me. Say Goddard or deledio instead. On buddy though I think he’ll cut the sub 70 games he threw last year when settling in, and as such kick that average up. Don’t have the time to do the maths but pretty sure if he got rid of those two poorest games his average would increase significantly.


And yes I think he’ll only play 20, and yes I’ve nearly convinced myself to drop him.

paul a

just be patient he SOG will rise after easter we are all in the same ark


Simpson, Jaensch, Kelly, Houli, Newnes, H.Goddard ROOKIES x2

Pendlebury, Selwood, Beams, Gray, Griffen, Judd ROOKIES x3. And x3

Sandilands, Maric ROOKIE

Zorko, Swan ROOKIES x4. And x2


Carla how r ya Sheila? Long time no see!
Absolutely love ya team!

XXOO love Damo


There's always one, Carla. Take no notice.


I love the Sandilands selection. sssshhhhhhhh


Yeah like the team. Are you a bit concerned though if Sandi doesn't play a NAB? Just looking at his numbers and they are great.

Sc newby

The big 211 will play against wc this w.e… Luckily for us so does nic nat, see how he can run out a game with his niggles

General Soreness

Solid work Carla, couple of points, Gray should be forward if you must have him downgrade the Magnificent to Rook and add another Mid. Jaensch went boom at the start of last year and came home averaging mid 80's, avoid. Like the 211 Maric combo. No convinced with Judd but can see why people pick him.


My current midd are: Ablett pendlebury fyfe jpk griffen. If Gaz is out, I’m thinking of swapping him for Jordan Lewis and leave the left over cash in the bank. I believe Lewis can be a top 10 mid points wise and if any of the other mids are below par after a few rounds i can do a side ways trade into Ablett and still have left over cash. I am looking at getting either or both Rockliff and Beamd around bye tome. Thoughts????


Your first 4 MIDs are Round 12 bye, something to consider


Lewis is coming off a career best season for SuperCoach paying overs for him


Lads, Im not claiming to be the supreme but I have finished in the top 5% 2 years in a row so just my thoughts on what I've read thus far and looking at some peoples teams. Jock, let me know if you agree.
Don't get caught up on the BIG names, you need to remember Gaz killed alot of teams with his inury last year and he is prone to four reasons why he should not be considered at $700k+;
1 – Injuries to back, knee and shoulder – Usual duration (2-10 weeks).
2 – Protection, rested when he needs to be, He's 30 now!
3 – Spending less time in the trenches, Gaz WILL spend more time forward than in the guts this year.
4 – His price tag gives him a break even of 150+, Gaz has a projected score of 147, 135, 137 in his first three rounds. IF he manages those scores he will still drop 60-80k.

Invest in your rookies not in big names;
You should have MAX, 5 premium mids, if you have anyone that's not a rookie or rookie priced in M6,7 or 8 then you you have seriously over compensated.

Im seeing Dane Swan on every ones team, $464k for a player that should be priced 4-410k based on last years scores and is the most rotated through the bench than any other player? Hmm, do you think that affected his scores last year? Cant see his work rated going up he's a year older and bucks has a tone of you mids with more run in the legs. Here is a key to the collingwood mint! Josh Thomas $385 Fwd/Mid will be in the guts the whole year with pendles, even trains along side pendles during match simulation.

Get the best rookies possible and make your money then upgrade to stars. Make sure everyone is playing in your team including the bench. Do you know when I make the most changes? The night before round 1 kicks off when teams are named. If not every player is playing including the benches, I restructure my team.

I know what your thinking? the rookies arent the best this year, especially in defence right?
Goddard, Hamling, N Brown, Dalgeish will Definitely play round 1.
If you rookies score 50-70, they have done their job and make $$.

Just think of it like this;
Why try and build a star studded team with 10 Million at the start when if you pick the right rookies? 6 weeks later you should have team worth 11.5 million to trade?

Love to show you all my team as it stands but some things are sacred.

Cheers lads

Jason WindowLicker

"Goddard, Hamling, N Brown, Dalgeish will Definitely play round 1."

Please mate, Dalgeish won't get a game at the Dons unless there are ASADA bans (coming from an avid Dons supporter) and it;s doubtful Hamling will get a gig round one either. Maybe Goddard and definitely Brown.

"Im seeing Dane Swan on every ones team, $464k for a player that should be priced 4-410k based on last years scores"

Averaged 84.6 * $5,400 per point = $466,560. Actual price is $464,500. Looks fairly priced based on his average from last year.

Strongly advise you all DYOR and don't listen to every post on this site…..

Sc newby

I would agree in saying that hamling will most likely get a gig round 1, matt Boyd will run back thorough the mids without libba and hamling will slot in nicely, currently on my bench.

Swan is value no matter how you look at it, he looks fit enough to me and even in a forward role he will be top 6 fwd barring injury.. Currently in over 50% of teams for good reason


Not forgetting the loss of Cooney and Griff, the dogs will be stretched for Key pos players as so many positions rotate through the middle. Hamling will play barring injury.



I should rephrase, yes the Dons will get ASADA bans and yes Dalgeish will start round 1.
Even PA have conceded that Ryder and Monfries will be suspended its about time the bombers did too.
Oh wait, we are all waiting for that last minute evidence to clear the players…………..still waiting………still waiting……….
As far as Hamling and Goddard, I tell ya what, when rd 1 teams are named then we can see if im right..ok

I just offered advice, an opinion, and NO my OPINION is not to pick Swan, $464k for a guy who will play 80% of the game.
Hes not priced well and neither is GAZ
Swan Missed 5 rounds last year, scored 100+ only three times, and under 90 ten times, with the least TOG% Do the Math
Now on top of that rotations are capped as we all know, Swan is 30, which means he is rotated off more than youngsters, depending on his fitness, that's club policy.


Having said that Swans probably just as likely to come out and bang out a 150 .. who knows a lot of it is just luck.
Lighten up.. After all.. its just a game

Sc newby

I'm praying that the supercoach gods are nice to me that's for sure lol first yr doing it after converting from afl fantasy, I'm told this is the real game to be playing and is easy to see why


yeah mate I've tried both and SC is where its at.

Jason WindowLicker

"Oh wait, we are all waiting for that last minute evidence to clear the players…………..still waiting………still waiting………. "

They need evidence to ban them you squid. Have you seen this evidence?????

Sc newby

If they didn't have evidence why did Efc go to court to try and hide it??? Pretty sure asada have something that Efc didn't want to be used against them

Jason WindowLicker

Is that what Caroline Wilson told you?


I know one thing, I wont be selecting Winderlich at 385k

The Ranger

Jason, not sure if you're new to this or what but we try and keep it civil around these parts.

Jason WindowLicker

Just a bit of banter mate. We are all friends here


haha, touchy about this arent we.. Ok
Take it from someone who is in the know.
You dont need a confession, or pictures of it taking place etc as evidence comes in various forms..
Its been established that the performance enhancing regime took place ie;
manifests of inoculation, purchase of the substance in great volumes by the club medical consultants and even invoices.
The players can say "I didnt know, no fault or negligance" and that is a good out, BUT, not when its administered by the club.
Anti doping laws say it should not apply when “the administration of a prohibited substance by the player’s personal physician or trainer (is) without disclosure to the player”.
In summary, Infraction notices are not issued for fun, if you get one, your having a spell but the question is for how long?
I hope they get off! Id love to have Heppel in M5, but very unlikely.

No name calling mate, its just friendly banter


Thanks for your input, you have many good points that at least make one think! Cheers and good luck!!

Scotland The Brave

Cracking discussion – more for leaving Gaz out than in and very valid reasoning. Looks like I will have to the reshuffle again but the one blessing it gives me is now I can put Neale at M7 if I change jeebuz to JPK. Neale has been on my radar since day dot but couldnt squeeze him in with my current structure and Gaz in the team. Thought he was going to be a great smokey going into R1 but he is tearing it up in the NAB cup so has continiued his late season form last year but now he is a large blip on everyones radar not just a guy who suddenly appears in the rear mirror.

I think again Gaz will be eased in and not every jeebuz can go at 130 plus with a sore/untested wing.


Do we save cash in case he fires up straight from rd 1to get him in
to cover our mistake.


My thoughts – Depends who is your R3, dont worry about GAZ if you have a minno in R3. Ruckman are very very prone to injury so as a minimum Id have, Redden or Phillips in R3. fill your positions with scoring players first.

Scotland The Brave

That's the $734,600 question


i think your spot on personal ill prob just get rockliff instead of ablett.

1 question .. will u be starting with 2 premo rucks ? set and forget.. its a lot of money to invest in the ruck,
but i cant see to many viable mid price rucks accept tbc who will prob be banned anyway.
this is the hardest aera for me. do we just ride of d3.


For me, The rockstar is a must. Rockliff is a points machine and first picked in mine even ahead of Ablett. It doesnt matter that Beams is there or anyone else he will keep performing.
The ruck is a hard one, there are two mid pricers that I really like but a bit wary too.
Tom Hickey – Huge scores when fit and will be the walk up number one ruck for the saints, longer just doesn't cut it. His projected score for round one is 99 (best of all the mid pricers).
Scott lycette (WC) Averaged 90 with no Cox in the past……Well, no Cox now. Yes Nic Nat is competition but teams need two talls to rest forward and play ruck, with the new scoring system for hit outs to advantage only Lycette should shine. Played just twelve games last year but scored 89-120, 7 times.

If you went with hickey and Lycette who can also be a forward, then got a bellchamers or Redden (who will play for Ryder) your spending 1.1 million on rucks and a scoring R3 making you money rather than two primos costing you 1.2 million and a useless R3

Scotland The Brave

the constant toggle between nic nat and lycett is what makes this game great.

didnt really consider hickey but could definately be an option

all about the cash and how we use it.


Set and forget the Primo riuckman would be easy, BUT, only 1 ruckman played 22 games last year…Sauce Jacobs. You need a back up


Mummy, Nic Nat and Hickey have been in and out of my R1/R2.

Lycett has been in my F3/F4 position from the start – I value beating my mates to a premiership more than the overall ranking – and Ruck cover will be needed at some stage.

Scotland The Brave

looking at going down the two premo path (or 1 premo and nic nat), luey too injury prone to take the risk and others around the mark not a great upside and TBC would be great R2 as he is sure to make you cash being the first choice ruck at Ess and DPP make him even more appealing but could be sitting on the grass watching with his mates from the sideline ?? Probably the one area I have tinkered with the most and still not close to locking in – will see how nic nat goes this weekend as he cound be anything but make sure I've got a solid R3 if I go down this path.


I'm liking the idea of running a few underpriced mids in M3-M6 with SJ, Griffen, A Swallow, Judd

Keep enough bank to go up to Ablett or Rockliff – gives you at least 2 rounds of the real stuff to make a move up if needed


You could throw Dom Tyson in there too, If Melbourne didn't have so many rookies mids Id have tyson in M5. He will blow everyone away this year. You just cant have players from the same team in the midfield because of the Bye's.

Ben Bretel



people jumping on straight swap to rockliff this concerns me, at 709 can the rock repeat last year with additions of beams and some what rich


And Christensen and Mitch robinson, but that won affect Rockliff, all that does is hurt the younger mids at Brisbane from coming through like Mayes, Lewy Taylor, Paparone etc.


yeah valid suggestion mate!!! It def has changed the game but a good taste of things to come in following years


It seems everyone is worried about the ruck position but there are quite a few mid pricers who will play.
Giles – He will play, weather belly gets suspended or not. They have hawks (hale, roughy, Macavoy) then Sydney (Pyke, Reid, Tippet). They cant not play him.
Zac Smith & Tom Nichols – Take your pic just wait for the naming of the teams.
Robbie Warnock – Kreuzer will be out for a while
Jarrod Witts – will be the pies number 1 this year averaged 72 as a youngster.. not bad
David Hale – will play Forward and ruck and prone to huge scores

Phillips – GWS only true back up ruckman.
Redden – Lock him in if Ryder gets suspended. If, pfft lock him in
S Mckernan – Not the best but a last resort for a scoring option


All great suggestions Costa, agreed re Phillips for R3, Redden too inconsistent for mine…but for $216K how can you complain. What are your thoughts on paying an extra $50K for Sinclair? Has shown a little in the NAB and not only likely to get more games this year but much more game time to improve on 50avg from last years 4 games. Also gives the Ruck/Fwd DPP option. Thoughts?


I am an avid Hawthorn supporter, and watch every game, and hear a bit of whats going on at the club.

I would consider Hale in my SC team. He is border-line in the Hawthorn team.

Rucks, Ceglar & McEvoy, with 1 resting forward. This leaves no room for Hale in a forward-line with talls of-
Resting ruckman
Gunston – can play tall
They are more likely to look to swing tall backs forward if one of these 3 go down mid-game, they could swing Lake (having Frawley take the oppositions gorilla forward), Shoenmakers (if he makes the cut), or just play a smaller forward-line with Rioli, Bruest, Pulopilo types.


Should have said 'I wouldnt consider Hale in my SC team. He is border-line in the Hawthorn team. '


Hale prone to huge scores?

He averaged 73.1 SC points and got 100>110 4 times

With big boy and ceglar in the mix he's a terrible pick.


Lumumba for anyone?


Yep. I recon he will average 100 this year.


What are the communitites backlines looking like? Can people comment their backlines?




Either 5/0/3 or 4/1/3


I'll be going Ablett to Rocky. After 2 weeks, I'll see how Rocky is travelling with the added attention in the midfield (Beams and Rich).
Then decide if I swap Rocky back to Ablett or get rid of another premium midfielder and downgrade a defender to a rookie defender who is getting a game (if their is one).


What about the loophole? I'm not sure what to do about loophole yet but if we keep Gabby cos he is named round one say , the loophole has to become an important consideration here , and I'm not sure how to go about this ATM with the 1 ruck sub .

Ben Bretel

or kennedy as d4

Ben Bretel



where is the 40 – 50 k going if you pick sloane or priddis?


JPK, but could depend on your first 3 mids re byes


Kennedy all day.

Odins Raven

community! loving this its all so good. can i get some thoughts on my team pre gaz sack?

Shaw, Gibson, Yarran, Newnes, Brown, 3x Rooks
Gaz, Pendlebury, Selwood, Beams, Dangerfield, Neale, 5x rooks (no newton)
Maric, Lycett Read
Bartel, Dusty, Swan, Clarke Saad 4x rooks

rooks changing depending on selection, and gaz still in the air! if i sack gaz ill throw in the best i can get outside the rnd 12 bye and grab another top defender.

thoughts? anything would be appreciated – my league is worth a butt load of slabs and i want them all!


hey mate, i'm not sure on Lycett would be a risky pick. other than that looks pretty solid. I'm not sold on going to D5 yet.


thanks mate! appreciate it. Yeah R2 is tough. a lot of blokes have rotated through there in the last 2 weeks! hopefully a mid price ruck plays well this week and i can get sucked in to that! cheers again man.


What do you reckon jock, do you start with Ablett even if there is some risk and he misses a game or two, or in that situation do you pick another premium mid and use a trade to pick up Gazza after he has played a couple.


Or could you keep 500k in the kitty and pick up select a player like Cripps that will make you some cash before Gazza gets back to his usual 135 point average so you can pick up a cheaper Gary with a player who has earned you some cash

Gaz Ablett Jnr

Reading all the post about myself I thought I better weigh in to let the supercoaches around the globe what is happening with my shoulder.

I have not been involved in any contact drills this pre-season but have worked on my fitness base so when the season starts I am 100% ready to go.

The plan was to play half of the NAB cup round 3 but the shouder is not feeling 100% so I decided that to get it right it was best not to play in the NAB Cup.

Round 1 is still over 2 weeks away so will hopefully put the shouder through some drills next week and from there see how it pulls up and then if it pulls up ok put my hand up for selection for round one,

Rocket has slated the prospect of the vest in Round 1 but I hate sitting on the pine it gives me splinters. If I have to get the vest I will not play as I would hate to deny some of our young talent an opportunity to play a full game.

So it all depends on next week supercoaches and how the shoulder pulls up – I'll be sure to get big Zac Smith to crash into it and give it a good workout.

Hope this anwers all your questions.

God signing off.

Nathan Jones

Good on you mate, I'll be shore to test your shoulder out if you play in the match against us round 1. Hope to see ya out there, have a good one Gaz

Rodney Eade

Go away GAZ and Nat Jones.
Find better clubs. Like WB…

Gaz Ablett Snr

Well said son.

Enjoy the sun and get your shouder right,

Always a spot for you back at the cattery

Rocket Eade

Gaz we need you 100% for game day

No pine for you even 70% fit you are better than 95% of the other players

We'll just put you in the forward line and you can kick a lazy 4


thoughts on my team anyone?

DEF: Shaw, simpson, newnes, higgins, lumumba, hamling, BENCH: edwards, goddard

MID: ablett, pendlebury, dangerfield, griffin, swallow, cripps, newton, heeney BENCH: cam ellis-yolmen, vandenberg, steele

RUC: Maric, Naitinui BENCH: Read

FWD: Goddard, Martin, Swan, Salem, Clark, Hogan BENCH: Lambert, Krakour


pretty light in the midfield there mate. good rucks. good forwards. if it was me i'd downgrade defence to beef up midfield.


Thank you God


All this talk about gas and about locking in midfield guns yet no one has said anything in the last month about Priddis. I have Priddis in last year from round 1 and loved him, just goes about it, doesn't have a huge ceiling but doesn't have the lows either of some other midfield premos.

Is anyone in the community in love with the golden haired Brownlow champ as I am and plan on having him come round 1?




He's an absolute lock in my team with west coasts easier draw!


I would love to pick Ablett in my team but Rockliff looms as a better option for reasons relating to structure. I'm not worried about his shoulder.


I think 'DimmaWitts' or 'Power to the People' rested Buddy on the pine during his six week injury and still won the 50k. SuperCoach is a game won by a team not just one player.


I know people are jumping off Gary, but at this point in time, he will stay in my team until I hear more information. Thoughts on my team?

DEF: Smith, Shaw, Gibson, Newnes, Jaksch, Edwards, Goddard, Saad
MID: Ablett, Pendles, Selwood, Priddis, Griffin, Newton, Boekhorst, Laverde, Ellis-Yolmen, Steele, Kraouer
RUC: Mumford, Nic Nat, Read
FWD: Gray, Martin, Swan, Clark, Hogan, Lambert, Daniel, Lonie

I feel Jaksch is weak, but cannot afford anyone better. Any suggestions?


Jamie Macmillan – added to the North leadership group so will play, and priced at low 50's. Can easily push that up to 70's at least (averaging mid 80's NAB Cup), so there's $100k+.


"But his lack of match conditioning and the fact that the Suns will go into the Melbourne game without any of their three key forwards — Sam Day, Charlie Dixon and Tom Lynch — will see him used more up forward than in his previous four years with the Suns." Herald Sun



With the conundrum of the extent of Gary's injury and mental stability, is it fair to assume that the likes of Prestia, Swallow and in particular Hallahan become much more sc relavant and possibly use them as a stepping stone or side trade to gaz at a later round when he depreciates in value. Especially with the easier draw in the first few rounds?

Just a thought but not sure if I know what I'm talking about.


Good thought process although I feel we'd have to wit and see how thry might go with the extra attention.