NAB Supercoach Significance Report – WB v RICH

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The Great Peter HigginbothamSIGNIFICANT

Perhaps I tend to overuse this word, but in the case of this NAB Challenge game I feel that it is an appropriate use of the word.


The Dogs played a full squad thus giving us an indication of their starting structures and game style while Richmond exposed to us some relevant rookies. While these two contrasting team set-ups was forecasted to give us an elevated picture of all Western Bulldogs players, as it played out, the Richmond young guns played exceptionally well.

Early call – beware of selecting any players from the Doggies …. They are in for a difficult year!


Absent Best 22 players;

Western Bulldogs – Crameri, Goodes

Richmond – Newman, Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt, Houli, Rance, Maric, Griffiths, Chaplin, Foley, Cotchin, Conca, B. Ellis, Astbury




Significant performances:

  • Matthew Boyd (MID $526,200) Played a greater role across half-back – quality use. As a MID only is very awkwardly priced. Ranked fifth in disposals in 2013.
  • Jack Macrae (MID $538,800) Excellent but very awkwardly priced in a team that will surely struggle. Ranked second for uncontested possessions in 2014 and averaged 110 in his last six games.
  • Lin Jong (MID $273,200) Has been the star performer in the off season looking to step into the void left by Griffen. Was everywhere early in the game and looks to have stepped up his endurance levels considerably. A slight temptation given Libba’s sustained an injury. Not yet.
  • Will Minson (RUC $501,400) Clear number one ruck at the kennel. He dropped in disposals from 15 to 12 in 2014 and disposal efficiency from 67% to 57%. Was beaten by Hampson today. No.
  • Tom Liberatore (MID $593,200) Off injured in the first. Could have significant ramifications on midfield and Wallace, Yong, Macrae …
  • Tom Boyd (FWD $239,500) After only nine games of AFL footy at an average of 45 this young key position forward will need time to develop. Occasional rucking duties which may make him more relevant than if he was purely playing as a forward. No
  • Kane Lambert (MID/FWD $122,400) Gun VFL talent missing out on the Liston by just one vote. “Knew where to run.” Looking like a very solid forward line option this year. Crouching is already burning incense for him.
  • Connor Menadue (FWD $117,300) Really liked his game. Elite speed and endurance but at just 70kg it is hard to see him getting early game time in 2015.
  • Chris Knights (FWD $227,700) Injury savaged but has played 101 AFL games and has had a full preseason. Experience stood out and efficient with disposal. Averaged 90.6 in 2007. He is now on my serious watch list!
  • Nick Vlastuin (DEF/MID $363,200) Started off in first quarter – got crunched in third. Has averaged 71 in his two seasons. Very solid in defence and a possible option in 2015. Watchlist.
  • Taylor Hunt (DEF $290,300) Played loose off half back and and also spent time in the midfield. Hard to say at this stage if he will take on a tagging role. The word is that this may go to Grigg. Hunt has become relevant after this game as I do see him as a best 22 player after the departure of Jackson.
  • Anthony Miles (MID $537,100) Sixth in clearance per game and averaged 24 disposals per game in 2014. Ball magnet again. Huge POD risk selection.
  • Mitch Wallis (MID $340,700) Some good contested possessions. Did not tag. Perhaps Luke Beveridge will let him loose in the midfield? If so, he becomes slightly relevant, however, very hard to select in the midfield at this price.
  • Robert Murphy (DEF $475,700) Heading into his 16th season with an average of 83 across his 271 games. Relevant due to defensive wilderness yet high risk in my opinion, due to struggling fortunes of the Bulldogs.
  • Marcus Bontempeli (FWD/MID $422,300) Just Ok and against the Tigers’ seconds. Coming into his second season makes him a risk as he would have to elevate his average from 79 to 95 to make him relevant. Need to see a lot more


Over to you community what significance did you extract from the game?




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Was impressed with Lin Jong and am seriously considering Knights. Both have been on my watchlist but today has really made a case for both of them.


If Knights stays healthy them he's a good selection

Pauly Walnuts

Knighter was killing it before he went down in 13, might be POD but a risk for me, might change my mind in weeks to come.


Goodes got delisted didnt he?


Brett Goodes wears No.44 and is on their rookie List.


He was delisted at the end of last year, but then re-drafted as a rookie.


cotchin not in richmon best 22?


you blokes better learn to read,he didnt miss any 1,try reading with your eyes not your ears

Dave Ruddick

Lambert is only $102,400…Don't pay too much for your chops Higgo!!


Team help please!

D:Yarran, Newnes, Thompson, Langdon, Jaksch, Dick (Goddard, Wigg)

M:Ablett, Rockliff, Pendlebury, Selwood, Rich, NVB, Cripps, Anderson (Boekhorst, Freeman, Lambert)

R:Goldstein, Naitanui (Nankervis)

F: Deledio, Goddard, Swan, Martin, Salem, Clark (Hogan, Krakouer)

Any advice would be much appreciated


Take up golf george


How does Tom Langdon compare to some of the defensive options that are similarly priced such as Gearry, Savage, Vlastuin, Hunt, Kolo, McDonald, Seedsman, Mayes etc.


Love Knights and yes, he did average 90 in 2007, but he had the pill 23 times a game to hit that average and his other good year for the Crows saw him boot 43 goals that season. Don't think he'll get near that again, reckon he slots into a 70-75 point range at this stage.


Agreed – which to my mind makes him less attractive relative to cheaper options who should generate similar output (Lambert and Krakouer if upgraded, Hogan, Clark, Brownlow favourite Karnezis, Salem etc etc). 28yo and has only played >18 games once – in his peak year way back in 2007. Given his injury history i believe he will be managed, can see him being vested (on or off) a few times this year at least


As a pies fan, not keen on Karnezis, (although born a magpie) Swan to return. he suffers from bad decision making, however I did notice him tackling which is more he has done in the past


Agree with Krak and lambert. But hes only 40k more than Salem, don't you think he would average higher? He should be about to hit 70-80's quite easy. He generally has good efficiency which should help low numbers. I agree he is a bit of a risk though.

I reckon Salem and Karnezis are too. Hmmmm maybe have to see a couple more games. See how hes running. Needs to impress Dimma to get game time.


Jack Macrae has to be considered if Liberatore has done his ACL


Could this mean more midfield time for Bont, Stringer or Hrovat? Buzz around Jong but hard to predict how Libba sitting out the year will impact these youngster's scoring. Can only assume no Griffen and no Libba means a long tough year for the Doggies – massive shame really!


I missed the game. Any worthy notes on dalhaus?

Pauly Walnuts

SC points – 100 ,10 K,12 HB, 4 M, 2Tk – Tagged by Vlastuen – overall OK


Any insights on young rookie Caleb Daniel?

Pauly Walnuts

DNP, he's on my watch list ,I don't have any contacts the Dogs, but prior all info was he is a talent.

Mr Magoo

Todd Elton had a good game and showed he might have a future at senior level. Richmond need another key defender and it could be him


Given that Libba has probably done his ACL and is out for the year, does Goodesy come in to calculations?? Off the rookie list and straight into their line up at 245k and another defender to pick. Thoughts??


Goodes wont play in the dogs midfield


Agree Ethan, though I think the point Jack is trying to make is that by Libba going on the LTI list it frees up a spot for Goodes to go on the senior list (from the rookie list). Personally I still don't think Goodes is best 22


I hear what you say Ethan. Phil understood what I intended to say. Dalhaus for mine is one to watch now that they have a vacancy in the mids. A nice POD at just under 500k


Not getting a game in NAB 1 perhaps signals that Goodes is cover only and the Doggies are focusing on developing their youngsters – shame as a best 22 Goodes would be a LOCK for D5/D6 given his 2013 year. He just turned 31yo though so fair enough i guess, probably only has a couple years left in him anyway


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Expect Jordan Kelly to get elevated and play and possibly Biggs to go play more through midfield

Favalinko U Beauty

Biggs has arousal curve rising, now Libbas sadly gone down.


Massive arousal curve based on his NEAFL numbers from last year (average 33d) if he can move into the midfield..


So where was he for this game? BTW Don't put too much emphasis on NEAFL numbers, its a comp way below WA or SA leagues. Having said that Biggs did look good when he did play for the Swans, I thought he could've had a few more opportunities than he got, was sorry to see him go.


I reckon Mitch Wallis may have just become more relevant too

Mr Magoo

Hard to judge this match. Interesting to see who the tigers elevate from rookie. You would think lambert, but Arnott showed something and Dimma loves Thomas. Short also looked good but would be below the above three for elevation. My bet is on Lambert as I think Miles covers Thomas and with Taylor Hunt they also have another option. Nick Vlastuin looks ready to move to the next level and might be a good pod in defence, albeit carrying some risk.
The disappointments were Lennon (hit and miss) , Vickery (poor entry into forward line, but needs to be demanding the ball) and McBean (still someway off). Elton was good but cant see him scoring big


vickery should not be on anybody's radar, I watched the game, just a laughing stock of a player, not sure why tigers keep on with him. But maybe I am a biased pie supporter


Libba ACL confirmed – lock him in for 2016 – a 30% discount would see him priced at $415k (using 2015 Magic Number)..


For sure. He'll be the Beams of 2014. One less selection headache for next season!


Don't right the little fella off just yet, don't think ACL is confirmed and even if it is I remember his old man doing one back in about 1990 and coming back the same season (no LARS back in those days either)


For a competitive league join this one: 366906






My first go at a Guns 'n' Rookies team
Any thoughts?
Malceski, Simpson, Newnes, Whitecross, Edwards, McKenzie (Viojo-Rainbow, Newman)
Ablett, Rockliff, Barlow, Watson, Johnson, Riley, Acres, van Berlo (Heeney, Freeman, Krakouer)
Jacobs, Sandilands (Cox)
Deledio, Goddard, Franklin, Clark, Hogan, Steele (Daniel, Lamb)
Plus 26k left over.


If thats Steve Johnson, give him the flick. He is inconsistent and if often either injured or reported.


Hey mate, I would look for a little more value even while keeping that approach. Perhaps look at some of the following few changes;

Backline: Malc and Simpson really top priced and both put out some average scores, especially Simpson and could be picked up cheaper later on. Really paying a premium here for players who are not consistent. I would consider more players in the 450k – 500k price range for your back line and then use that cash to upgrade D4 to a mid pricer, I don't think you'll get 3 playing rookies (even counting Whitecross) so you will eat donuts with this setup at the moment, I am trying to run to D5 this year personally. Hopefully NAB cup gives us a few more options.

Midfield: Probably 1 too many POD picks here I like the Barlow and Watson picks as proven consistent top end premiums while Johnson misses a fair bit. I think he is riding an injury during the preseason too and is getting fairly old. Perhaps look at a potential break out in Treloar, Wines, Crouch, Heppell or an underpriced more proven like Danger, Cotchin, Griffen or the awesomeness of JPK? Starting Rockliff over Dependlebury is a worry in my books, but may pay off! Both will be top end premiums come years end, but I like having those safe 120+ scores week in week out, Rockliff has more potential to drop in price with a few lower scores, better bye round though perhaps.

Rucks: Top 2 rucks form 1 year to the next NEVER (except Cox) end up being the top 2 the following year, usually it is 2 from a lower bracket that jump up. I would consider with a G&R approach for a semi-loaded ruck line with Nic Nat, Goldy, Minson, Maric types who could certainly be top end rucks without spending the big bucks on over priced players. Get rid of Cox and put in Read, still DPP and more Sunday games allowing more use of the donut.

Forwards: Looks pretty good to me, should be plenty of rookies options and going M3 for me is most likely the winning setup in the forward line this year, Buddy can really spud it up though and isn't as proven as Swan so maybe think about swapping those and grabbing Buddy once he scores a 30 and it rotates through his price for a couple of weeks?

Decent start though for a first team!


Cheers, a fair bit to take on board. Have been playing around with mid pricers, but they always seem to screw me over so trying to keep it simple. Who would you suggest at 450-500k in defence at the moment have gone with Enright and Shaw. Have gone for Ibbo at D4. Now have $240k left, so i guess i can play around a little bit more.


Enright and Shaw are solid choices, there is no wrong and right answer but you could really put Simpson, Smith, Hodge, Enright, Hibberd, Shaw, Hurn, Murphy are more in a similar boat this year, they can all possibly go 95 – 100 but it is not guaranteed with any of them and paying the extra cash does not mean it is more likely.

Ibbo score 2 years ago was perhaps with unsustainable TOG, check this. Is he really under priced this year or not?


He did average 99% TOG in 2013, but also he did have 100% TOG in the quarter final, so maybe not unsustainable more highly unlikely.


Mackenzie and Simpson have serious injury concerns, both will struggle to make round 1


Simpsons is only minor and he's back in training with reports that it's nothing to worry about at this point, so im willing to hang onto him for now…between Walker and Yarrans injuries, blues are almost forced into playing Simpson so he'll see time.


Any news on Fyfe?


Hi Guys,

welcome to join league 829431, would love to measure myself against some of you serious players.

Trab Pukcip

Done Rooboy! You'll find me under the banner Coffs Coast Chunk!!


Ahhh Welcome!


is Zach Merritt from Essendon supercoach relevant?


Team advice please!
D: Malceski, Simpson, Newnes, Goodes, Whitecross, Goddard (Viojo-Rainbow, McKenzie)
M: Ablett, Pendlebury, Kennedy, Judd, van Berlo, Newton, Brayshaw, Boekhorst (Anderson, Heeney, Freeman)
R: Jacobs, Naitanui (Cox)
F: Goddard, Rioli, Swan, Thomas, Bellchambers, McCartin (Hogan, Krakoer)

Trab Pukcip

Rioli, judd, Thomas, bellchambers all gotta go mate, they'll missed 1000 games between em……


Juddy and Daisy are there because they are too cheap not to…at $486k, Judd is almost guarenteed to go up, provided he doesnt bust a poofa valve first, and Daisy i feel is gonna shine this year, just because he will (he WILL) finally sink into the blues…TBC would not be there is he weren't DPP but he is and he fills that missing 4th Ruckman. Rioli i dont really have a defence for

Trab Pukcip

Go with your gut mate! My gut has always told me TBC has no ticker and has never been supercoach relevant. DPP doesn't change that IMO. The others just have too much injury history. If you are playing for league wins then you can probably afford to chuck a few of em in, if overall rank….it's too much of a gamble!! Just my opinion mate.


Cheers for your help mate


I like it but either go with bellchambers as your ruck or ditch him. Rioli is too inconsistent he will burn you

jack martin, knights, J. Kelly, lambert, krak,

better choices


Hey guys, I have been playing around with my team and I seem to have settled on this lineup for the time being, though I have $272,000 spare, which is more than I like to take into a season, so I'm looking for any opinions as to where I could/you would spend it.

DEF:Shaw, Birchall, Newnes, Ibbotson, Whitecross, Goddard (Mckenzie, Newman)
MID: Ablett, Pendlebury, Selwood, Sloane, Rich, Van Berlo, Boekhurst, Freeman (Vandenberg, Heeney, Laverde)
RUCK: Nic Nat, Zac Smith ( Read)
FWD: Bartel, Goddard, Swan, Mitchell, Clark, Hogan (Salem, Lambert)

I had Malceski, but took him out to avoid the early season drop in cash, this is also the reason why I have opted for cheaper defenders in general.

Let me know what you think, all constructive comments and opinions are appreciated.

Trab Pukcip

Birchall is out for another 5 to 6 weeks mate


Thanks, that would be why no one else has him then, hahahaha. I'm really struggling for defenders this year, any suggestions for a replacement?

Trab Pukcip

I'm going shaw, hibberd and newnes as my only 3 higher priced defenders as I'm going pricey in my forward line. Depending on how deep you are going? I was looking at Docherty but a no show in 1st nab was not comforting. Think Langdon is a good pick and im going to try and juggle a few things round to get him in at D4. Defence $300k to $460K is a lottery this year imo.


Hey guys, thoughts on Brad Crouch? Would you downgrade a Sloane or Priddis and save 100k to upgrade a mid prices defender or forward?

Trab Pukcip

Don't know about Sloane, but yes priddis is worth downgrading if you are keen on crouch. Sloane is too consistent to discount.


Cheers Trab. Priddis does go under everyones radar though. Just keeps nailing 100 to 110 every week though

Trab Pukcip

Priddis could be a decent early POD too as due to his price tag a lot wont have him in early!!!


can someone tell me why people are choosing Cox in the ruck. He won't even get close to getting a game, a very long way to go, I would say 2-3 years


For VC loophole purposes chief


If you need 20k for an upgrade it's worth it and the VC loophole and the $$$