Jock Reynolds - The Father of FantasyThis is shaping as one of the most significant trade periods in recent memory.

Bookmark this post – it will be updated regularly with the latest player trade information as news comes to light and as jungle drums begin to drum. Let’s discuss how this could all play out – and how this might impact our fantasy selections in 2015.

Just in:



  • Jarryd Waite is a free agent and has told Carlton that he is moving clubs
  • Dayne Beams has told Collingwood he wants to bugger off up to Queensland. He’ll most likely end up with his brother at Brisbane Lions. 
  • Ryder has told Essendon he wants out. As long as a deal gets done he is off to Port Adelaide
  • Heritier Lumumba and Collingwood are negotiating a deal which would move him to Melbourne
  • Shaun Higgins has told the Dogs he’s looking at his options – North a frontrunner

Word around the community:

  • Jarrad Waite according to will end up at North Melbourne
  • Daniel Merrett has received interest from other clubs, Lions List Manager Peter Schwab has confirmed that Merrett is exploring his options. The Lions look as if they are ready to do a trade provided the right option comes about
  • James Frawley is a free agent and they reckon Freo have offered him a 5 year deal worth 3 million. Take it son. Now. Word is though that the travel factor is a show stopper – with recent whispers that Hawthorn is in the mix for the overrated defender.
  • Will Minson is being linked with Geelong – the Skin Flute in a Cat jumper??
  • Dangerfield continues to be bandied around in discussions as if he’s on the table. Melbourne has reveled that they’ve offered Adelaide picks 2 and 3 in the 2014 national draft.
  • Jono O’Rourke wants to come back to Victoria from GWS.
  • Saint Kilda is willing to trade it’s #1 selection in the draft if the right trade is there.

Heard a solid trade whisper? Reckon you know how it might all go down? Importantly.. how will some of this effect fantasy footy in 2014? Will Sidebum cop a harder tag? Will Swan need to pull his finger out and play more mid? How many questions can be nested into one paragraph?

Let’s talk trades





Paul Roos · 24/09/2014 at 20:53

Get your facts right Jock! Frawley hasn't told Melbourne if he's leaving or not yet

    jockreynolds · 24/09/2014 at 20:58

    Sorry Roosy – right you are. Have you found that friggen monkey wrench I borrowed you a few years back yet or what?!

      Paul Roos · 24/09/2014 at 21:02

      Don't worry about that monkey wrench! I'm going to trade my whole bloody team for Dayne Beams, Ryder and Dangerfield. Stuff em all. I might need you to sit at full forward for me Jock? Crouching one can roam the wing and fly kick every bastard!

    Roger · 25/09/2014 at 11:49

    Jock is talking about rumours buddy -and this rumour has bn around the traps. U get ur fact right

Danny Frawley · 24/09/2014 at 20:57

I was better than that bastard! No one offered me 3 mil over 5 years! You can use the gap in his front teeth as goal posts, he's that useless!

    Itchy Nuts Pieman · 24/09/2014 at 21:23

    Son of a Spud Danny?

    Max von Muffman · 24/09/2014 at 23:14

    You can use that gap in his teeth as goal posts.
    F****** hilarious.

xMASOx · 24/09/2014 at 20:58

Great topic to get the sc juices flowing

    jockreynolds · 24/09/2014 at 21:00

    Thinking about how this Collingwood caper will play out Maso. I wonder if they have the depth in there to cover a Beams and a Ball leaving. Swan too old, damaged and over it to step up.

      xMASOx · 24/09/2014 at 21:06

      true but they do have some good kids adams & kennedy to name a couple

        throttlefinger · 24/09/2014 at 21:47

        While Adams and Kennedy are good will they compensate for a stone badass like Beams? Wondering how all this affects Sidebum. Numbers were decent without him but had far less impact in 2013. (went from 103 SC ave to 113…significant).

        Unless they get a Rockliff (no way) in return, can see a huge learning curve for the Pies, especially in mids. Pendles is use to carrying most of the load…will anyone else step up?

      Itchy Nuts Pieman · 24/09/2014 at 21:09

      Swannie added more ink on Brownlow night. He's now 62% ink. He's going to to be wheeled out like Hanibal Lector in round 1 for intimidation purposes. That is if they can find someone to move him! It won't be Dayne Beams.

        throttlefinger · 24/09/2014 at 22:15

        If you combined the tats of Beams and Swannie, how much body coverage would you have? Thinking 92%. Eyelids, pinkie toe and 3/4 of taint will remain unmarked.

Jesse · 24/09/2014 at 21:25

G'day jock what about your beloved saints any news on them yet?

    jockreynolds · 24/09/2014 at 21:56

    Jesse! On the mend mate? I'm just rapt we have the #1 selection in the bag mate. Youth Youth Youth for me.

      xMASOx · 25/09/2014 at 09:09

      jock saints have said that #1 trade is on the table ! i agree they would be better off getting best kid with it

General Soreness · 24/09/2014 at 21:59

What does Beams leaving mean to a 2015 Swanny and his output? More back to a mid role? If so will risk of injury? He will be cheap. Conversely what impact does Beams have at Brissy on Rockliffs output especially with Rich return, fit Redden and other up and coming mids? Josh Thomas may prove an interesting case study along with Adams, Kennedy & co.

    throttlefinger · 24/09/2014 at 22:07

    Think it depends on two unknown factors, if he returns to playing more mid and his mindset playing for Bucks. I'm sure niggling injuries at his age are a concern yet he's too dynamic a player to be held back from that. Of the two unknowns, I would be more concerned with buying into what Bucks is selling.

    Going from 117 to 86 (and only 3 tons!), there's something else afoot. He may be this year's Daisy…wait and see if it's the same player or the ghost of a great player.

      jockreynolds · 24/09/2014 at 22:30

      I think you're onto it there Throtts. Get the feeling that with Swan it's a lot about heart and mind. I wonder if Buckley has ever 'had' Swan on board. I don't reckon he has

        throttlefinger · 24/09/2014 at 22:40

        Pies supporters would know better than I, but not tackling the game with the same gusto as before. With Beams gone, Swannie will have to carry more of the load. And Bucks will need to make him feel warm and cozy if the Pies want to see the finals this year. Could depend largely on Swannie's play.

          Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 08:09

          Heading to the Tatt parlour rather than the brownlow says to me Swannie is playing out his contract. He's dissinterested. He is one of many that won't buy into Buckley.

            throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 08:33

            Excellent point. Wonder what the percentage of players happy with Bucks and his system and those who are just going through the motions like Swannie. Either way, it's shaping up to be a shitty 2015 for your boys.

              @TG_Footy_Tragic · 25/09/2014 at 11:48

              I'm very pessimistic for the Pies of 2015.
              Swan will play more FWD, even with Beams going.
              Pies will promote Steele, JThomas, Kennedy, Adams etc. to the guts.

              Swan getting long in the tooth, motivation lacking, knows pies are in rebuild.
              Seeds/Williams HBF, Toovs BP.
              Even with Reid fit, Cloke, MOORE, Frost, N-Brown playing,
              Langdon playing floating backman,
              With Grundy/Witts tag teaming Ruck.
              Elliott playing fwd, blair the other
              NO Scharenberg, No 'Caff…
              Pies still miss something… will be one of the youngest teams – very lean on experience.

              Only Premiership players playing being Pendles, Swan, Steele, Cloke, Reid, Brown, Toovey, Blair..

              Of those, Pendles, Cloke, Steele Elite.
              Swan declining, Reid keeps getting injured, Brown also, Toovs great when on park, Blair in no mans land….

                @TG_Footy_Tragic · 25/09/2014 at 11:49

                But this is just my opinion….
                Swan might be fit next year.
                Footy is a wonderful thing.

                General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 12:54

                Being very kind to Cloke with Elite status.

                JThomas is the most interesting one for mine, could be a jet, may just end up being another bit player filing through the sliding doors of the AFL.

    THE SALTSHAKER · 30/09/2014 at 04:43

    Swanny could be DPP next year. He still avg 25d in a shit year. Its strange? preseason he was excited, said had a 2010 feel to the group, but then come one of the early season Footy Shows i picked up on a strange vibe between him and Pendles who they crossed to at some event. They mentioned about Swanny getting a new tatt, and Pendles didnt smile was a bit dismissive "doesnt surprise me" – crossed back to Swanny asking "what did he say?" with a sort of pfftt look on his face. Was weird? Prior to this they were asking him about his best mate Shaw getting traded. One of the photos they splashed up was of him with Johnson, Didds, Shaw and their 2010 medals in rooms after win. With Pendles an immaculate trainer/preperation making him Buckleys boy and new captain, whilst Swan a lazy trainer and the last of the ratpack it was clear the message/attitude Bucks wants is of professionalism. With so many youngsters in impressionable stage of their careers anyone outspoken (jolly/shaw) was removed, Swan was started fwd because Bucks didnt feel he had earnt a mid possie yet.

      THE SALTSHAKER · 30/09/2014 at 05:09

      So im thinking Swanny just didnt care after losing all his mates. Shaw going was massive loss as his presence in a group dynamic, humour, competitiveness and character lifts those around him. The fact Bucks felt need to get rid of Shaw wasnt lost on team, this was a rebuild. When your best player and #1 accumulator in game 2008 – 2013 knows he isnt far from the end, being the last rat standing would have affected his attitude. To put in perspective Pendles had exceptional 2013 with 9000m gained from his possession, everyone was talking up his year Swan lead the league with 12000m gained. By contrast his 2014 he looked disinterested, was terrible at stoppages and wouldnt tackle apply def pressure and no gut running as seen over last 5yrs that made him elite. Evenstill he will be a bargain and will be in my team

Kev · 24/09/2014 at 21:59

Story running over at superfooty about a Mitch Clark/Lumumumumumumuba straight swap

David · 24/09/2014 at 23:06

Beams to Brisbane = No Rockliff for mine pick Beams over Rockliff
Collingwood with out Ball (retired) and Beams with Swan looking like shit = No Pendles

So start of next year Midfield selections will be interesting
I think i will pass on first selections with Rockliiff and Pendlebury, sure to drop more than 60k next year

    Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 08:11

    Completely agree with your logic Dave. Sound advice.

General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 09:37

Totally off topic but with the GF around the corner I would like the community's thoughts/ predictions. All pie in the sky stuff but good discussion points imho.

Who wins, why, margin?
Does Cyril Play? does he start sub or not?
Who misses for Cyril if he does play?
Does Big Boy get the nod over Ceglar?

My thoughts are Hawks by 9 in an upset.
Cyril plays and doesn't start sub (at least I wouldn't start him as a sub)
Either Simpkin (sub specialist) or Duryea misses if Cyril plays.
Ceglar did himself no favors last week but I would expect him to keep his spot, purely because he is more mobile than Big Boy.

BomberT · 25/09/2014 at 09:56

3 Crows players have had test at Carlton Mc Kernan, Luke Thompson and Jared Lyons. Lots of clubs are also interested in Douglas but he will cost a lot Crows rate him very highly.

    General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 10:17

    Very interesting news, clearly you have some good sources there BomberT, thanks for the heads up. I could imagine Blues heading down the McKernan path.

    @BarronVonCrow · 26/09/2014 at 15:29

    Smack I don't particularly care about. He's got a ton of natural ability, but I don't think he has the footy smarts to become an consistently good player. There's a reason Bruce called him "Dopey" as mean as it was. Still, you could do worse and he will be a vastly more enthusiastic person in Victoria where he can be near his family again (Gotta give credit to the kid, he was homesick for 6 years and stuck it out the entire time)

    LT and Lyons i'm worried about. It was rumoured they both looked elsewhere last year (Melbourne had put a significant offer to Lyons to come over with Vince, but he wanted to stay a 1 club player) due to a lack of opportunities and were both told "Just hang in there, it's coming" by Sando to convince them to stay. Then Lyons was given the sub vest in nearly every game he played and when he was played he'd stick him up forward, rather than his natural position in the guts and LT was supposedly destroyed in front of the playing group after the North Melbourne loss and both now are looking elsewhere.

    Lyons is still 50/50 I think. He's in that position where he wants to stay at Adelaide, but wants to play AFL football too, so he knows he may have to leave to have it happen. I rate him though, I've been calling him to get a permanent gig the past 2 years because he smashes it at SANFL level every bloody week. He'd be a nice midfielder for a team, great at the clearance work, but does have his obvious deficiencies. He's not quick and his kicking his average, but what he's good at, he's very bloody good at. Can also move forwards and clunk a mark and kick a goal too.

    Douglas. Smashed it in 2013, average in 2014. If the Crows got a very good offer on the table for him, i'd take it. I think guys like Kerridge and Grigg will be good enough to step up and fill that void. Can't see him leaving though.

General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 10:15

Totally off topic but with the GF around the corner I would like the community's thoughts and predictions. All pie in the sky stuff but good discussion points imho.

Who wins and margin?
Does Cyril play?
If so who misses?
Does he start sub?
Does Big Boy get the nod over Ceglar?

For mine
Hawks by 9 in an upset
Cyril plays
Duryea or Simpkin (sub specialist) to miss
Cyril does not start sub, would be madness, if he is fit to play just let him play.
Ceglar did himself no favors last week but I think his mobility over Big Boy will keep him in the side.

    MightyDonsFC · 25/09/2014 at 10:59

    Sydney by 9
    Cyril will play
    No, why make a potential match winner your sub???
    Big Boy will come into the side

    @TG_Footy_Tragic · 25/09/2014 at 11:33

    Hawks by 4
    Cyril plays as Sub
    Simpkin unlucky to miss
    Big Boy plays over Cegs – Big Boy can fall back and take the defensive 50 marks that Hawthorn will need to win.

    throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 18:13

    Swans by 17.
    Nope. Emergency
    Big Ben. Contributed greatly in win vs. Swans at MCG R18. If he's near 100%, he's in.

    jockreynolds · 25/09/2014 at 20:06

    Agree with General – Hawks by 12
    Cyril is a late withdrawal
    Ceglar comes in

    Jambo · 26/09/2014 at 10:05

    Sydney by 36 pts
    If so then the Hawks are crazy! No.
    I reckon Buddy will kick 2 or 3.5 like normal and Tippett or McGlynn has a field day.

General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 12:41

What does Ryder leaving do to Essendon? Need to replace with a tall or another class mid? Port have offered pick 16 which is clearly not enough but is more than what Brisbane intend to offer. Ryder previously pick 7, very versatile and just player his best season at 26, he doesnt break down like other big blokes and is mobile as hell.

In any aspect will be a massive blow for the bombers but as Hawthorn has shown you dont need to win the hitouts just stop the other team from obtaining a hitout to advantage and let your premo mids do the job. Tommy Bell (who is probably still there cause of his hot missus) if fit can do this but isnt as mobile as Joey Daniher who can also perform that role and win some as well. Personally I dont think the bombers need a like player unless they can get Stefan Martin (i doubt this would be the case) Luey is too fragile, I would like to see Ryder for Aish + early pick.

    Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 12:55

    For Aish & an early pick, that would be a good result. I can't see the Lions considering letting Aish go. I doubt his name would even come up in discussions with Beams.

      Big_BenFC · 25/09/2014 at 16:16

      I cant see the Lions letting Aish go either mate

      @BarronVonCrow · 26/09/2014 at 15:30

      Aish won't go. I don't think he'll ever leave Brisbane to be honest. Only way he's in the Beams deal is if he demands to be traded.

    MightyDonsFC · 25/09/2014 at 22:57

    I would be absolutely stoked to get Aish and an early draft pick for Ryder, but that looks extremely unlikely. I'd be more incline to offer Port Adelaide Ryder + our 2nd/3rd round draft for picks 16&21. If port were unwilling to do this then I think Ryder for 16 and Moore/Butcher would be minimal compensation but at least it's better than Brisbane's stingy 2nd round pick.

      @BarronVonCrow · 26/09/2014 at 15:39

      Butcher is aptly named, because that's what he does everytime he kicks the ball. You'd probably be doing the Power a favour by taking him since they went and nicknamed him "The Future" and he's done nothing of note since.

        MightyDonsFC · 26/09/2014 at 22:01

        I went to the game where he kicked 4 against us back in '11 and he looked like he had the potential to win a Coleman. Although it might take some time to get him back into form, he is an immediate upgrade from Paddy Ambrose. Hopefully Port will be feeling generous and chuck in Andrew Moore who would be useful if Watson injured an could provide competition to David Myers.

        However Essendon have now announced that they are more interested in players than draft picks (cheekily suggesting that Port give up Wines or Wingard for Ryder). In that case I would be happy if we received Brad Ebert and Jake Neade for Paddy.

Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 14:00

Ralphy mentioned a whisper on SEN this morning. Beams to Brissy, Danger to the Pies & crows get Pick 4….cant see that happening.

    General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 15:49

    Agreed definitely cant see it happening, pick 4 not enough for Danger. Crows would be after two first round picks i would expect.

      Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 18:27

      Melbourne looking to offer pick 2 & 3! That would be about right for Danger

        @BarronVonCrow · 26/09/2014 at 15:20


        I'll cry into my beer if we trade Danger.

James Sykes · 25/09/2014 at 15:38

Afternoon guys.

If the D Beams trade happens there are some very interesting supercoach implications possible….

Rockliff – If Beams turns up with Rich and a few other midfielders coming back, DO NOT start with this man. He will cost the earth and really can only trend down after the incredible year this year.

Dane Swan – If he looks good preseason…Jump on board! Could be next years Dayne Beams! I think he will love being the second banana behind Pendles (who will cope the tag) and should be fit and happy with some buck's love coming his way.

Pendlebury – Normally I would start my side with Pendles and Gaz and take it from there but if Beamsy moves on Pendles will cop the tag every week. Still he's good enough to deal with it but just might not be the walk up starting lock that he has been previously.

Clay Beams – Yes Clay Beams, could possibly, maybe, perhaps be next years Polec. Hear me out. He is currently a midfield fringe player. I think he will either feel the brotherly love and lift so dear old dad can see them both line up together in the guts or he will disappear into nothingness as many a Karnezis before him. We have seen some success this year with the older style 'rookie' priced players, I expect it to continue next year.

Dangerfield – If this trade somehow gets Pat to a Melbourne team, we may as well all lock him in as a certainty. I cannot imagine him playing worse in Melbourne, only better. Did someone say 'Charlie'?

Toumpas – I see someone mention him as a good chance of getting out of Melbourne, if he does then he will be a great midfield rookie option next year aka D Tyson or A Miles.

And watch for Tommy Mitchell if he can find a new home………..

    throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 18:21

    Jimbo! How's all in Gippsland?

    Agree about Rocky. If Beams is there, he'll have to do less while still getting all the tagging attention. Wait and see how dynamic with Beams is first before committing.

    Swan is more likely to be the next Daisy. Age and injury, can he still provide the magic? Not sure. He's another that will take more than preseason to suss out if he's returned to SC elite.

    Pendles already cops the main tag. Don't see that going away. He will, though, garner even more attention if Beams is not there. Still can't see him averaging less than 120.

    Clay Beams price will be more Dom Tyson than Polec. And you may be right, with D-boy lining up with him, could make for Dom T-like season. One to watch. Worried about injuries, though.

    Excellent points on Danger and Toumpas. Potential is better with Dee's midfield talent. Toumpas could be this year's Miles for sure.

    Tommy Mitchellson, while able to put up HUGE SC numbers, still needs to prove he can remain healthy a whole season before going all in on him.

      Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 18:44

      Throttle spot on with your assesment of Swan & Pendles. Swan? Pendles, well when he gets the ball he somehow creates space & delivers with precision. He is a rare player & even though he had a bad year he still had a 120+ average. He rarely scores under 100 & he's worth a big price. Tom Mitchell depends on destination & price, & whether he retains Mid/Fwd. I'm tracking him this pre season. Could be gold or fools gold.

        throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 19:01

        Mitchell will be one to watch this preseason for sure, Pieman. Blues would be great fit for him. Don't think price will be too high given this year's average and scores. But we shall see.

        Pendles is, as Jock would say, a majestic player. He is one of the few who will thrive in any environment you throw him in. If Sidebum can elevate his game, it would certainly help Pendles shoulder the load…and sure his scores will benefit as well.

          James Sykes · 25/09/2014 at 20:02

          I should have definitely premised the tom Mitchell comment on the assumption he will be somewhere around 300k AND retains fwd eligibility. I think he will as he hasn't played enough to justify the change.

          On Swanny, don't put a fork in him just yet…..look at Boyd turning it around this year when we thought he might be shot. No Injuries will make a hell of a difference.

          Don't get me wrong on Pendles, still rolled gold……just maybe not the lock premo starter that he has been other years……it could be like cricket…..if you win the toss you bat, if in doubt you think about it and then bat……pendles will need a bit more thought this year.

            throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 20:22

            Good points. I think Swannie has it in him. It's whether he pushes himself to bring that out. As last year showed, injuries and a slightly apathetic approach toward Buck's strategy cooled his SC heels.

            Get your point about Pendles. Depends how high in the $600s his price is. The tail end of his season and Gaz returning from injury (and possibly moving upfield), will be a lot of contemplating going on to start the season.

General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 15:49

Dockers have apparently put Clarke on the trade table. Bit of a let down given the recent requests from the top shelf from other teams.

    Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 18:54

    Not good timing compared to the other names floating around!

    Big_BenFC · 26/09/2014 at 08:35

    Interesting to see if the Dons make a play at him if they lose Ryder, thoughts?

Big_BenFC · 25/09/2014 at 16:11

Swans to swoop in last minute and get Ryder involving a trade of T. Mitchell to the Dons?

Am I crazy?

    General Soreness · 25/09/2014 at 18:02

    As a Dons man I hope your not crazy.

      Big_BenFC · 25/09/2014 at 18:28

      Same mate, it's been a long couple of years for us Dons fans!

    jockreynolds · 25/09/2014 at 20:05

    I'd take Mitchell in a heart beat – jet

    MightyDonsFC · 25/09/2014 at 23:01

    Would be over the bloody moon if this happened

Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 19:02

I must say, as guttered as I am about the Beams decision you can't blame the young fella. The last time his contract came up his family encouranged him to stay at the Pies. And that may well have been the reason he did. Rarely would I say something like this, but Gary & Ed hoist the white flag & let family come first. Traggic story & the loss of a gun but let Derek try to make the best of a bad & unique situation. We are only human at the end of the day. If you were in Dayne's situation who wouldn't do the same.

    throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 19:08

    I agree. Will say if Pies make concession to allow him more trips to visit his family, it's worth a shot. Don't know how realistic that is given the demands of being an AFL player during the season. Know even college football/basketball players in major programs here rarely get time to visit their family (in fact, many parents move to be nearer their kids or go to all the home/away games).

    That said, if Beams has made up his mind, then just let it go. If he's not seeing his dad regularly, he's going to be a mess on the field. Then no one wins.

      Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 19:23

      When you look at the situation without anger it's a no brainer. Totally agree Throttle. These are unique circumstances & the right thing has to be done. If he has handed in the papers he won't change his mind. Why would you! Melb to Bris is about 1300 miles. Not around the corner.

        throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 19:32

        "The right thing has to be done." Couldn't agree more. But in professional sports where money is to be made, some only see things green. Hope Pies do the right thing. I think they will.

        throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 19:33

        Given that, how much do you think the Pies hold out for? Seems from the articles I've read, they're going to ask for a lot and not bend too much on it.

          Itchy Nuts Pieman · 25/09/2014 at 20:00

          It will be intereresting. GC has better better bargaining power. For a gun at his peak it has to be a top 10 & a gun junior at least. His preference is Brissy, but what would GC give up for him. It will be big. It has to be. For GC to have a crack im thinking pick 8 & Jack Martin. For Brissy it's pick 4 & Hanley. Or Rockcliffe straight swap. The fact that 2 closeby teams are in the hunt adds spice.

            James Sykes · 25/09/2014 at 20:05

            worst thing Collingwood could possibly do is force him to play next year, get a bad year out of him and then have him walk out for nothing.

            throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 20:20

            Think you're right Pieman. GC has the more things to offer. And Ablett with Beams will boast their side immensely. As much as I like the potential of Martin, it's just that. And don't think that body is ready just yet for AFL ball given his style of play. Would be a good and shrewd move for GC. Wouldn't have to rely on Gaz. Could shoot him forward. Hmmmmm.

            jockreynolds · 25/09/2014 at 20:31

            Had a watch of AFL 360 tonight – I reckon Gerald Whateley is on the money. It'll be pick 4 plus a player between #8 and #15 on their list. The need a decent gorilla down back, but Merett might be too big an ask. Ruckman.. I don't reckon they'll let Leuey go. I'm thinking pick 4 and a Green, Paparone, Harwood, Patfull.
            ..or Claye Beams.

              throttlefinger · 25/09/2014 at 20:39

              So you think GC has no horse in this race, even if they have the most to offer the Pies?

                lostlarrikin · 26/09/2014 at 00:33

                Hey yall,
                I reckon GCS will move heaven and earth to trump the Lions here.
                Blowtorch on at the Suns and review will show they were found out when the great man went down.
                Another mid gun will change the landscape big time.

                  throttlefinger · 26/09/2014 at 00:39

                  The Lost One, how you be?

                  I agree. If it's a matter of where Beams wants to go and the best Pies can get for him, the latter will win in the end.

                    lostlarrikin · 26/09/2014 at 00:52

                    Yeah still motoring on Throtts, although regrettably have been AWOL from this great community for a while.
                    After a SC season to forget, attention has turned to keeper league off season.

                    For the Power's sake I hope Ryder makes Alberton his new home.

                    Some great discussion and analysis here guys.

                    throttlefinger · 26/09/2014 at 01:21

                    Yeah, Paddy would be an excellent fit for the Power. And may be the piece to get them to the finals.

                    My season was equally disappointing. And disappeared for a couple rounds. Licked my wounds and tried to brand the lessons learned into my memory for next season.

                    Look forward to discussing SC with you, my man.

                    Itchy Nuts Pieman · 26/09/2014 at 06:05

                    Losty. Great to have you back. I couldn't agree more with you. Beams Dad lives closer to the GC than Brissy. So there is a good case. And when the great man fell over they were exposed. Finals or bust for Guy Mckenna, & he would be crazy not to have a massive crack at Beams. Loooking at the List Abblett, Benell, Prestia, Swallow, Jaeger, Martin, Day, Thompson, McKenzie & the list goes on. Retaining them all will be next to impossible. Surely trade some for a significant event like Beams being available is logical. It will also help the Pies bargaining with Brisbane & get the best deal possible. Derek Hine is a quality recruiter/list manager. He would have been at Metricon stadium yesterday for sure.

                    big aggots · 28/09/2014 at 22:35

                    GC giving lip service only about Beams. Fielded their youngest ever team against the Bombers Rd 22 and nearly knocked them over. Only 2 players with 80 games experience.
                    Better off chasing a Sewell or O'Keefe for next season until their list all reach 23-24 years old and dominate for 6-7 years. They won't be trading any of their young guns and eat up $700K cap space. Qld teams won't give up a kings ransom for the sake of 12 months, when they can get him for peanuts next year. Qld hold the aces – Collingwood a pair of 3's.

                  @BarronVonCrow · 26/09/2014 at 15:37

                  Agree. I'd give up Pick #7 and someone like Sam Day, Zac Smith, Daniel Gorringe or Steven May in a heartbeat for Beams. Hell, i'd even think about including Charlie "Deadman" Dixon if it meant i'd secure Beams.

    Dianne · 30/09/2014 at 12:44

    Well said. I'm not pies, but at the end of the day your family comes first and foremost. This is a very serious/tragic circumstance for the Beams family. Time for Beauracracy/red tape be put aside and let this young man be closer to those who have borne him, raised him/ love him. We are supporters/fans/ members of a football club. As with all in life no-one can foresee the future- probably never dreamed this would happen. If pies don't let him go they will be ostracised by many. I wish Dayne and his family all the best and am hoping common sense prevails. I'm not Brisbane either

      THE SALTSHAKER · 01/10/2014 at 15:49

      Yeah thats whats annoying me, the notion Pies will be blamed for seeking a good deal when he is under contract. "Do whats right Collingwood" then the comments "Brissy dont have to offer much, he wants out, they should hold firm" — do you know what i mean? I thought this was about doing the best by the Beams family, if thats the case then Brissy needs to come to the table to make it happen as well. Pick 4 is all they are offering, Beams is an elite midfielder at perfect age and experience, all australian, premiership player. Brisbane will get off scott free and everyone will blame Pies who are merely looking to cover their loss which may never happen. Give us Ryan Lester big bodied mid has been groomed by Brissy NEAFL as mid but not given the time/opportunity to flourish in the mid with consistency

MightyDonsFC · 25/09/2014 at 23:14

Just wondering how much compensation would be fair to give Melbourne in exchange for Mitch Clark?

    Itchy Nuts Pieman · 26/09/2014 at 06:06

    Might Man. The word is a straight swap for Lumumba. Which given they had a line through his name is probably a fair deal.

    Big_BenFC · 26/09/2014 at 08:37

    I think the situation sucks for Melbourne, they paid a lot of money to get Clark on their books and he only delivered one good half season for them.

    That being said I think the best they can hope for is a straight swap for Lumumba, either that or get nothing.

    Disappointing for the Dees though

Itchy Nuts Pieman · 26/09/2014 at 06:40

Well so much for an off season. This trade period presents like no other. The names on the table are enormous, & the outcomes will be fascinating. Hurry up & get the GF done with so the attention completely turns to trades & the draft. Paul Roos is right, if a gun player has a year to go & won't commit trade them for the best deal. I love free agency it's magnificent! The relevance for SC is going to be massive.

    Big_BenFC · 26/09/2014 at 08:24

    I'm with you Pieman, I love free agency and the Draft period (albiet the new shorter time frame). Roos is 100% right regarding possibly trading players with 1 year left on their contracts to get maximum value. It will be very interesting to see if and where Danger goes.

      Itchy Nuts Pieman · 26/09/2014 at 11:16

      Every club would throw the kitchen sink to get Danger. Could be massive!

Big_BenFC · 26/09/2014 at 08:40

Full Free Agency List:

Jason Porplyzia (unrestricted)

Jarrad Waite (restricted)

Dustin Fletcher (unrestricted)
Leroy Jetta (unrestricted)

Luke McPharlin (unrestricted)

Brad Sewell (unrestricted)

James Frawley (unrestricted)

North Melbourne
Michael Firrito (unrestricted)

Port Adelaide
Tom Logan (unrestricted)

St Kilda
James Gwilt (unrestricted)
Clint Jones (unrestricted)

Adam Goodes (unrestricted)
Nick Malceski (unrestricted)

Western Bulldogs
Shaun Higgins (restricted)

    General Soreness · 29/09/2014 at 09:38

    Great work Big Ben!

    Ironically – unrestricted is also a term that could apply to Leroy Jetta's playing style along with unaccountable, inept, downhill skier, to name but a few.

Jambo · 26/09/2014 at 10:02

I read in the paper that Shaun Higgins is on the outer and is rumoured to be interested in going to North Melbourne. I wouldn't be surprised if Dangerfield stays now that Sando is gone. I don't buy anything into the Beams-Buckley so-called feud. It's all media beat-up to me. I reckon the family pull is the major factor at play.

    Big_BenFC · 26/09/2014 at 13:42

    I think it is time for Higgins to find a new home, I have often wondered that if he had a different club/training regime that perhaps he might finally deliver. I think of him like I think of Watts, has the skills but is in the wrong team.

    Hopefully his body can hold up in the future but as like Jock has insinuated, It will be a cold day in Hell before he ever gets back into my team.

Itchy Nuts Pieman · 28/09/2014 at 16:08

Gary Rohan reminded me yesterday why I’ve never had him in my team & never will. He was rubbish & should have been in Hawthorns best players!

    GarglesnarfFC · 30/09/2014 at 06:23

    To be fair Itchy, he was no worse than the entire Swans team. Buddy excepted, 21 spectators watched as Hawthorn delivered a lesson in team football.

    Hawks need some kids in the guts to replace their ageing mids, whilst they have a couple coming through now, they still need at least 2 more. I expect them to chase the likes of Toumpas, O'Rourke and Danger or Thompson from the Crows. Going to be a red hot trade period this year.

      General Soreness · 30/09/2014 at 08:55

      Agree Gargle Rohan had friends but he was the standout. Hasnt been a poorer showing from a ranga since Prince Harry dressed up in a Nazi cosutme. O'Rourke linked to Hawthorn this morning. It will be interesting if Hawks bring in others what happens to Hallahan, Woodward and Anderson who can all play. Agree entirely it will be a red hot trade period.

    General Soreness · 30/09/2014 at 08:50

    Agree he should have been in Hawks best. The running tally during the match was 4 errors resulting in Hawks goals or on the positive four goal assists. Haven't watched the replay yet to double check but he was deplorable.

General Soreness · 30/09/2014 at 08:48

Kristian Jaksch also looking to return to Melbourne with Jono O'Rourke. Apparently St Kilda are offering the #1 pick to get them both. O'Rourke linked to Hawks this morning on SEN. Jaksch linked to Carlton also on SEN.

    Garglesnarf FC · 30/09/2014 at 10:43

    The word I have heard from Carlton is that they have been trying to lineup a deal for a tall GWS for some time. With the way things have panned out, Jaksch looks to be their target.

    Unfortunately Carlton have bugger all to offer apart from pick 6, and an angry midfielder with a history of off field issues. So to get this one done, the Blues are going to have sweet talk the hell out of the Giants or consider offloading an older mid. I suspect that there will be other teams showing interest who are prepared to offer more.

    GWS need players with 100-200 games aged over 26, not more 1st round draft picks. Given they have Jaksch, O’Rourke, Frost and Giles all looking to move and a No 3 draft pick, I suspect they will one of the biggest traders this season.

      General Soreness · 30/09/2014 at 12:06

      Your all over it Gargle nice work.

Garglesnarf FC · 30/09/2014 at 12:28

Here’s a question for everyone.

Given Sydneys record GF loss for a team finishing the ladder in first, something that just does not happen to the Swans. Furthermore given they will likely lose Goodes & Malceski on top of O’Keeffe. How hard does Sydney go at the trade table? Do they look to offload some of the poor performers from Saturday and bring in some more youth?

Or do they simply chalk it up to experience, work hard in the off season and move on?

General Soreness · 30/09/2014 at 13:00

Sydney will have salary cap issues losing their Cola and having bought in Buddy and Tippett on big coin. This is what is forcing Malceski out and may squeeze others. I think they will look to bring in some more youth via the draft or via trades with Malceski as I dont think they can afford to bring in big names on the trade table on $$ alone. Having said all of that I do not think they will be overly active in trade week unless its forced upon them, i.e. Shaw retires, Mitchell decides to move on etc. my 2c.

General Soreness · 01/10/2014 at 09:02

Clark to Geelong and rumour is that Varcoe is being mentioned in that trade. Might be more on this front if Frawley goes to the cattery as well.

    General Soreness · 01/10/2014 at 09:39

    Taylor Hunt also linked to this deal.

General Soreness · 01/10/2014 at 09:36

Fox Footy and SEN reporting that Jason Tutt wants to leave the Kennel and Daniel Gorringe wants to get in at Port.

General Soreness · 01/10/2014 at 09:39

Rumours around Joel Patfull and a move to either Sydney club, I would expect Giants have more to offer trade wise. Would be a big blow to Lions.

General Soreness · 01/10/2014 at 09:41

Liam Jones to Carlton! What do you think blues fans. He cant get a game in the side that finished 14th and needs a forward yet rumour has him replacing Waite?

THE SALTSHAKER · 01/10/2014 at 15:55

Brissy needs to do more to get Beams, pick 4 only is not enough, they should think of the Beams family as much as Collingwood is being urged to. Pies cant be responsible for being tough if Brissy being tough when they know the quality player they are getting

Garglesnarf FC · 02/10/2014 at 14:19

Frawley now a Hawk. Demons now likely to have picks 2 & 3 in the draft.

As a GWS supporter come and talk to us, whilst I would prefer a couple of 26yo players for Jaksch, O’Rourke and Frost picks 2&3 wouldn’t hurt!

Look how Dom worked out this year!

As a side note, Free Agency is looking more and more like a way of taking mature talent from lower clubs, and moving them to higher ones. I think the AFL may need to look at this again.

    General Soreness · 07/10/2014 at 13:03

    Got me stuffed how Truffle Frawley = pick 3! When Beams is Pick 4 and Ryder Pick 16 based on current offers.

    Credit to @LukeCarijuana off twitterverse for Frawley's new nickname. Truffle overpriced and overrated.

    General Soreness · 07/10/2014 at 13:07

    This year it seems that a few lower based club players are moving to higher clubs, but when you view it over the three years it has been in operation it is not the norm. The norm is players extending their careers ala Quentin Lynch. A number of players havent moved despite lures, Cloke / Boak. I have issues with compensation being awarded to a club who has been unable to manage its list, player etc for the loss of the player as a free agent. It punishes everyone following on the draft order who get shuffled down the order without any input.

      THE SALTSHAKER · 09/10/2014 at 11:34

      Bloody Higgins is the worst, 4yrs of injury the WBD stuck fat with him as he ate the cookies. First year his body holds up he is looking for greenure pastures. Players like that aint worth recruiting they set you back. Clubs should be able to appeal, against sour trades like this and Mitch Clarke. All this nominating crap. Beams manager has said outwardly to Suns "this ones not for you" – is that allowed? Why scare off potential better offers before they hatch and give a team not being competitive at trade table an advantage they dont deserve? This nomination stuff will only create a trend where players get to their peak and then want to leave for big $$ elsewhere while its there especially alarming whilst under contract – and teams shouldnt be able to poach contracted players and their managers/agents unable to influence or disway interested parties whilst a contract is in effect

        THE SALTSHAKER · 09/10/2014 at 11:46

        To avoid false motivators like faking injuries in last year off contract there should be an inj leaving clause whereby a direct % of games played should reflect % of contract paid.

Phil · 05/10/2014 at 17:21

Beams for pick 4 seems about right for me. Remember when a players 'wants out' you will never get what he is worth in return. Brisbane know this all too well after last year.

He may be contracted but at the end of the day you don't want a player who's heart isn't there. Pick 4 is still decent. Can't see them getting much more than this (Hanley no chance!) unless Gold Coast turns up the heat and offers more.

    THE SALTSHAKER · 09/10/2014 at 11:05

    Yeah they wont give Hanley or Aish but Brissy are comfortable its their race. Im not so sure. Beams says he cant do Copeland Trophy will be O/S leaked photos have him in the country at a pub with oldman. Best thing Pies have done is float him to other clubs, Brissy need to really ask themselves how much they want him, the best way to do that is to see what other clubs will give. Did i hear Gold Coast offer pick 8 and 16? See already thats better deal for Pies. Brissy need to get bloody serious if they lose out on this by being too shrewd theyll regret it always its too good an opportunity. If they do lose, personally will be very satisfying result – theyve just been awful quite frankly

General Soreness · 07/10/2014 at 13:04

Levi Greenwood requested a trade to Collingwood.

    Jambo · 07/10/2014 at 16:49

    If this works out, I reckon the Beams trade for pick 4 is a reality.

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