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Kev · 19/04/2014 at 08:50
To be fair on Lloyd he copped a pretty big hit late in the second and didn't recover well. Was on 42 at half time. Recorded 6 tackles as well.
Frawley is an interesting one. Never been fantasy relevant and will likely shift back once the dees get some of their tall forwards on the park

David · 19/04/2014 at 09:09
I actually disagree on Frawley and think he will play just as well, if not better, in defence. Roos’ high possession plan means he is getting more uncontested marks, possessions and effective kicks than ever. In just his second year, Frawley avg’d ~80 points as a half back flanker and was named all australian. Since then, he was played as a key defender, but I’m thinking and hoping he continues his role off the flank for the rest of the year.

jockreynolds · 19/04/2014 at 09:55
Interesting discussion this lads. I'll be watching Frawley bloody closely this weekend – great stuff

www.hurr-durr.com · 20/04/2014 at 14:03
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JX20 · 19/04/2014 at 09:19
Same. Looks a ripper and wins his own ball. He’s a big handballer in close which hopefully helps with DE. JS looks sound.

Shaun · 19/04/2014 at 09:22
Amen

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 09:35
Nice move to Sauce. Going to keep Mummy for another week. Didn't have the coin to get BS in there. Oh well.
Hoping Pendles delivers big tonight. Would love a nice plump 150+ to help boost Currie's score. Ugggggh.

Dools · 19/04/2014 at 10:00
I have Currie on the pine mate still have $440 k in the bank but I made a cardinal error last week I meesing around with trades and some how I locked Pizzaboy Paperone in my team Not Happy So I'm being extra cautious this week and from here on in as quite a few in the community inc myself have been caught out!
Thatsaid I have Pendles as my VC also but I think North will roll them, But he is an Awesome player. Last weeks shocker is behind me looking forward to some Footy this weekend Thank God! LOL Good Friday is gone ……

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 10:07
Really think roos are going to roll? Still a bit unsteady of a bunch. Pies have looked strong in their games. Can see them winning by 16+.
Yeah, the SC gods have not been kind to ol' Throttle. But rebounding and moving forward in high gear without the brakes. My confidence needs 2200+, man. Just been crushing the last few. Not gonna lie to ya, Dools.

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 11:36
Happy Chololate Eve Throttle I hope you've got the eggs sorted for the kids.
I gotta laugh when I look back to pre-round 1 and read the condemnation of my Sandi/HayMac ruck combo from various members, "it's too risky Wombats" and "you'll have to trade at least one of em before round 5 Wombats" "it's suicide Wombats". Yes, the community crucified poor old Hamish but, Wombats still haven't traded in the ruck. A plethora of injuries in the backline is the only reason the Wombats are languishing in the bottom half of the top 1% and now that most of my 1st choice defenders are playing and I've managed to squeeze 6-premo's into my midfield we can start our assault.

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 13:37
To quote a great man, your mum must be proud.

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 13:48
Lol. Modesty is a sin

Yawn · 20/04/2014 at 13:03
So is performing the roll of a clown without getting the pay packet that accompanies it, but you seem to get away with it so more power to you!!

Azmataz · 20/04/2014 at 21:16
Well Ellis got a whopping 2 SC points so you didnt miss out on much there!

Shaun · 19/04/2014 at 09:21
Interesting!

jockreynolds · 19/04/2014 at 09:57
Have heard similar whispers around the joint – the Crouch IN trade could go right down to the final team announcements wire

Emma · 19/04/2014 at 11:02
If he is the sub would you still trade him in

Jake · 19/04/2014 at 12:55
Yes even if he can get a 30-50 from the sub vest ill take it on my bench

matt · 20/04/2014 at 22:29
ill take 104 from him on the field

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 09:38
Love Pav. Was going to slot him because 3 out of the next 5 are at Paterson. He's at the same amount Cloke was before he went apeshit. Could be this year's version of it. Would highly consider. May try to bring in next week for Caddy (using him as loop this week).

Shaun · 19/04/2014 at 09:42
Thanks mate!!! Would you be worries about rest later in the year or is it to far way to even start considering??

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 09:47
Only if they were a lock and it was a meaningless game. In other words, maybe during SC finals but not before. He doesn't have a nagging injury, but yes, he's older and injuries come easier. But he's an elite key forward.
Also, by the time his value goes way up, you have the option to trade for someone else. Much like Dimma did last year with Cloke.

Shaun · 19/04/2014 at 10:02
Okay thanks heaps mate!! Appreciate your words!!

SCaddict · 19/04/2014 at 10:52
Just traded in Pav for Titch myself. Was going to give Titch another week or two to turn his form around but the omission/sore ankle this round was the final straw.
Vacillated between Pav, Parker, Breust, Fasolo and even the Hoff but the ole champ looks to have found some decent form in the past fortnight and represents pretty decent value sub $450K.

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 11:02
Of the bunch you mentioned, I'd swing to Pav too, SCaddict. Price and big score potential the highest, especially given the games before the byes. Could help offset the R8 outs as well.
Will be trying to bring him in next week for Caddy.

SCaddict · 19/04/2014 at 11:24
Should be the perfect use for the Cadfish! He turned out not to be who we thought he would be in 2014 and now the busted foot has taken all the guesswork out of how much longer coaches persisted with him.
Shame you can't swing this move this week but I'm aware of all the other fires you have to put out this round.

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 11:43
Hi SCAddict, I hope you got through a football-less friday without too much trauma. With the rampant inconsistency of forwards this year I went Titch for Rocky. I couldn't see the sense in getting another premo fwd when the 4 I have are like Jekyll and Hyde. It meant I had to put Lloydy at F6 and Fasolo at F5 this week but I reckon Danger is just about to realise that preseason is over so I might grab hold him for next week

SCaddict · 19/04/2014 at 11:57
Yes managed to survive a Friday without footy if only just. About to head off to a mate's place soon to catch the Swans Freo clash.
Bringing in Rocky is never a bad play. Will make Wombats even more formidable than it already was.

Shaun · 19/04/2014 at 09:21
Do you have Fasolo?

Remy · 19/04/2014 at 09:51
yep

Remy · 19/04/2014 at 09:52
FWD line is Danger, Zorko, Gunston, Hunter, Fasolo, Lloyd

Derek · 19/04/2014 at 10:02
Have a think about Varcoe. He seems to be over his injuries of last year. He has a high ceiling. With Caddy out I was looking for someone at the Cats who would benefit.
When will Motlop return?

Remy · 19/04/2014 at 10:07
What about Hunter to Yarran?
I guess it's a sideways trade, but Yarran has the potential for some big scores. Thoughts??
(Btw it is for AFL Fantasy, not SC)

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 11:45
Good call on Varcoe when he's fit he's a points machine and, he is fit and ready to burst

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 09:36
Is he out injured or form? Would say Fasolo but he's value is high enough that you could upgrade. Consider that as well.

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 11:48
Hiya Sleepy, yeah I noticed him amongst the options of cash cows. The only concern with Tom is that he's rather fragile. He's the sort of bloke that could break an ankle putting his boots on. Yes he'll make some $ early but it's high risk, sort of like investing your hard earned in a Geelong Building society in the 80's Fantastic returns but likely to evaporate overnight.

The Regular · 19/04/2014 at 09:38
Did cutler wear the vest with his first score of 19?

MightyDonsFC · 19/04/2014 at 09:43
Yes

Sleepy · 19/04/2014 at 09:58
He wore vest but came on early 2nd quarter when Lionberger went down

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 09:48
Considering the same JX20. Unless Webster goes 80+ this round, he's out for Cutler. Looked very strong and poised for a rook.

George · 20/04/2014 at 21:36
92 for Webster throttle

throttlefinger · 20/04/2014 at 21:41
Yep George. Lives to play another round on the team

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 11:52
Absolutely JX. Most of that 89 on Thursday came after halftime I think he was on 27 or similar at half time and he'd been practically invisible with the other rooki Gradiner getting all the points. I think Leppa switched roles between them at half time and I reckon Tom will stay in that role until Hanley comes back.

throttlefinger · 20/04/2014 at 21:43
Keeping Webster. Looked good. Really turned it up in 2nd half when team was making push. Not sure if worth blooding when he's just starting to make you money. Would hold trading Webster. Look elsewhere.
I may trade Cutler for Langdon. His engine is taking a hit like Tyson's. Plus need some upgrade cash for Caddy.

InsideInfo · 19/04/2014 at 09:58
I think people who are trading daisy now are doing a big mistake…he has at least 50k left on his value to go up. And i would probally trade impey as he has gone up for cash and has a higher breakeven this week than JKH

Remy · 19/04/2014 at 10:02
Impey to Fasolo would be your best option if you have the cash.
But Don't trade Daisy to Crouch as Crouch is a good chance to receive the vest!
I'd be holding Daisy for just a couple more weeks…Give him another chance.
If he stinks it up try and downgrade somewhere else so you can generate the $$$ for a Wines/Griffen/Swan trade once you generate the cash.

Remy · 19/04/2014 at 10:12
Jacobs

InsideInfo · 19/04/2014 at 11:22
haha, i did think about him for a while but he screwed me last season and rucks never get a second chance in my books

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 12:45
Jacobs

Bray · 19/04/2014 at 14:28
Jacobs

Mick · 19/04/2014 at 22:57
Jacobs

BeagzBoyz · 19/04/2014 at 15:02
Hold mummy if you have coverage

Azmataz · 20/04/2014 at 21:23
Jacobs

Bill · 19/04/2014 at 10:46
Ablett!

BeagzBoyz · 19/04/2014 at 15:03
take the 134. not worth the risk for an extra 15 points

Donut_King · 21/04/2014 at 10:42
extra 60 points

Tim · 19/04/2014 at 11:08
Thanks guys

Bill · 19/04/2014 at 10:45
Polec!

SCaddict · 19/04/2014 at 11:05
It's in that flip a coin territory really.
FWIW I'm fielding Polec myself but there was a lot of eeny, meeny, miny, moe going on with that decision. 🙂

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 10:57
Given past scores, I'd say Langdon. Langford and Thumper haven't gone ton yet. Can't see them doing it this round either.

Bill · 19/04/2014 at 11:06
Thanks Throttle!!

Wattsieesq · 19/04/2014 at 16:37
Hey mate. I've got you this week in one of the leagues you are in. Good luck

throttlefinger · 19/04/2014 at 19:52
Same to you, Wattsie! Not looking good so you may have an easy week.

SCaddict · 19/04/2014 at 11:19
Looks good Emma.
Think it's a smarter move to swap Titch for another premo than a quick cash grab on Fasolo that will likely require another trade or two down the road, along with a Rd8 bye headache to boot.

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 11:57
Hi Emma, Do you really need to get Crouch this week? Very high probability that he'll be sub and his predicted 50k increase will be a 20k increase. Have another look at your options maybe instead of Parker you can get a genuine Premo in the middle.

Emma · 19/04/2014 at 13:12
My issue is I have JKH , Impey and Ambrose as F6,7,8. I need to trade webster to crouch for cash to bring in Parker today.

SCaddict · 19/04/2014 at 11:31
I'd go the first 3 rookie mids especially with the risk that Crouch could conceivably get the green vest on Sunday.
I'd roll with Langdon although unfortunately I will have to field both myself. Was planning to upgrade Webster this week but other trade priorities have come to the fore. Here's hoping he can register at least 50 this round.

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 11:58
Not Crouch

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 12:18
No way Tyson should be cut yet. Will still average 90-95. Could easily get to 450k whilst providing good scoring, with unquestionable JS.
No idea why people are giving him the chop

jockreynolds · 19/04/2014 at 12:31
Agree with you Scythe – Tyson should be good till post bye for a solid score

dannyyboyy · 19/04/2014 at 12:48
reason being he has the worst BE. and now is the time to start chopping rookies for cash to start upgrading the team to premo players. even tho he is going to average 90-95 thats not the reason he is in my team. he is in there to make me quick cash so i can upgrade to premiums. one thing ive learnt from this game is dont get to attatched to a rookie. because of his high BE it means he will go up a lot slower, while other players are still making more cash quicker. tyson to crouch will net me 210k, aish will be worth about 280k next week so aish to probably gray will net me about another 178k. 210 plus 178 plus 33(in my bank now) = 421k in the bank. that means i can either cull another rookie, maybe to lloyd after he plays his 2 games, or swap a on field rookie, langdon to a swallow or the likes. this is the reason i think its worth chopping tyson for crouch, even if he gets the vest he will be on my bench and i will be on the improve.

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 13:04
I see what you're saying. But the reality is, Crouch is likely (by all accounts) to be the sub this week, and, if he is, he won't go up by much if he puts in 20-25 odd.
Tyson at the moment is not averaging much less than a premium, and he can be your slow-burner for a couple of weeks. I would prioritise chopping the likes of Polec (if you have him) over the coming weeks, as they'll appreciate quicker for 1-2 weeks until Tyson's 50 gets out of his BE calculations.
Polec has his bye before Tyson too. Tyson's r10 bye means you should upgrade him at the end of r9, as he will likely be over 400k by then, and he would have given you some healthy scores in the meantime.
Just food for thought, make of it what you will.

dannyyboyy · 19/04/2014 at 13:29
yeah what your saying makes sense to, but im still of the opinion that i want to start chopping earlier than that. its what i did last year and it seemed to work well, i even wasted a few sideways trades and still had more than enough come the end of the year, 30 trades is way to many in my opinion.

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 12:27
Even if he is healthy next week, I don't know if he is a walk-up start. Might be made to earn his place through the reserves. I went Roughead for Mitchell. Other good options are Pav (as you mentioned), Zorko if you don't have him, Parker (although I'm not too keen at this price), Westhoff (port have a rough draw though) and Robbie Gray (pod).
I wouldn't go Gunston, probably wont average any more than 85 for the season

Pots · 19/04/2014 at 12:33
Thanks Scythe. The finger is itchy and have been seriously looking at Pav. Three of next five at PS. Titch to drop, Pav to increase. Will make upgrading Titch harder. I have used 4 trades so far including one this round. Will leave with 25 trades. Have $459,100 to spend.

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 12:48
With 459k I don't think you can go past Pav then.
I made the silly, silly mistake of trading Pav out for Zorko after round two. They'll average similar, just a wasted trade as I though Pav was past it. I was wrong. Pav should fetch you at least 95 for the rest of the year.
Just be wary of Ross Lyon's tendency to rest players

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 12:53
That all being said, Robbie Gray (444k) is not a bad option. Averaging 95, has averaged 90+ before, and seems to be over his injuries. Round 9 bye is helpful too.
Only issue is, (as I mentioned earlier) Port's draw. Eagles, Cats, Giants, Dockers, Hawks next 5. Three of those are in Adelaide though. Only in 2% of teams

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 23:35
Gee I'll take the biscuits on the Robbie Gray call after that performance!

Scythe · 19/04/2014 at 12:49
Tough one, but I'd lean towards McDonald. Just think he is the better player

medadsson · 19/04/2014 at 14:36
Bordering on overrated. Although he usually averages around 100. Frustrating player and does tend to fade right out of games. While we are on the subject of over rated what do you think about Dangerfield? Spewing I picked him at his pre season price. To me, this year for Dangerfield is looking like one of those, "I am leaving the club at the end of the year anyway" years! Wouldn't mind betting he goes.

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 14:50
Top of the over rated list this year is Boomarrggh.

Ocker · 19/04/2014 at 13:21
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-19/final-teams

Derek · 19/04/2014 at 14:53
I agree. But at the start of the season there wasnt much choice in forward line. Had to have him

Your wrong · 19/04/2014 at 15:04
Dustin kicked the sealer against the blues mate! Margin was only 12!!

medadsson · 19/04/2014 at 14:38
Agreed, I am only bothered with leagues. Who wants to be an April premier anyway 🙂

Wes · 20/04/2014 at 22:09
I'm with you two! For exact same reasons…

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 14:49
Fasolo is really turning it on too. Everybody should have by now anyway so he wont help me now that Boomaaarrrggh is my POD premo. Should've downgraded him to Cloke or swan

Wattsieesq · 19/04/2014 at 16:38
+1 on that. Magic.

dannyyboyy · 19/04/2014 at 17:15
fasolo for rohan was my first trade this week, was lookin at it last week and wanted to give him one more week to prove and prove he did! 27 trades left still plenty in the bank

Emma · 19/04/2014 at 16:24
I picked north what the hell pathetic performance they played like the blues (I am blues supporter :()

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 16:39
My condolences shinboner; as a blues supporter I know how painful it is to see players choose not to make the contest. I can't help but think that is what happens when recruiters prioritise tall players who can run fast in preference to blokes who can play footy. Diesel Williams is a perfect example of a star footballer who was originally sent back to the country (by Carlton) for not being an athlete. In todays system he wouldn't even get to draft camp.

Cyril · 19/04/2014 at 17:50
Would he be exposed in today’s footy though. Those types of players aren’t really around any more

WombatsFC · 19/04/2014 at 17:54
Yes at 50y.o. he might struggle but as a 20y.o. he wouldn't have a problem.

rollercoaster · 19/04/2014 at 18:44
so whats new shinboner? did you really think your list is top 4 or top 6? i mean really? no of course not. therefore you can only hope to be one of 6 teams fighting for 7th and 8th place. Realities a nasty B!t%h!

Shinboner · 19/04/2014 at 18:49
Did you watch our spirited performance against Sydney last week? The same Sydney who are defeating Fremantle right now? Now, THAT, was the sort of effort you want to see. I don't mind seeing a spirited defeat. But that was unacceptable. Only a handful of players put in a four-quarter shift.
And just for the record, yes, I do believe we have a top 6 list. The best full-back in the league bar none, a potential AA ruckman, a key forward who has competed in the Coleman for much of the last few years and a core midfield group of Swallow, NDS, Cunnington, Wells and Ziebell. Not a bad setup.

throttlefinger · 20/04/2014 at 01:11
Was truly mindboggling watching them, Shinboner. Not the team who played the week before. Sticking with Nahas would've been the smarter move (from SC standpoint glad he didn't as Currie was my R2). Only one looking like he was trying to give it an honest go was Cunnington. Even he looked like a shade of his former self.
Give some credit to the Pies (hate saying that). They were more focused and intense. Never stopped the pressure or attack. And your boys will bounce back. Too much talent to lay down.

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 13:06
Yep, fair play to the Pies. Great defensive pressure across the entirety of the game. Good signs from the younger Magpies too. We're lucky they didn't have their kicking boots on.

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 12:21
A completely different team to the one that rolled my Swannies last weekend.
The ups and downs of AFL footy. Will have a tough rebound test at Freo next week too.

Sputnik · 19/04/2014 at 22:40
Lucky you dont have Ellis on the field. Or crap players like Watson, Merrett, Wingard and Martin destroying your team 🙁

Aaron · 19/04/2014 at 16:32
Tyson

Shinboner · 19/04/2014 at 16:40
Dunstan, Polec and a toss-up between Tyson (opponents beginning to lock down on him now) and Kelly. Probably leaning towards Kelly, considering the Crows' injury-affected midfield.

rollercoaster · 19/04/2014 at 18:45
do yourself a favour- DO NOT start tyson. he wont score over 80 anymore. he as hit the wall already.

Cyril · 19/04/2014 at 17:51
Or cloke at the cheap price?

MightyDonsFC · 19/04/2014 at 20:59
Do you think he will be in the top 15 defenders by the end of the year?

Nick · 19/04/2014 at 21:35
Are you talking about Rampe

Nick · 19/04/2014 at 21:39
Yeah it’s a possibility I reckon because he is cheaper than players who are 500k he is worth it. I think an average of 85-90 which is better than someone like Langdon

MightyDonsFC · 19/04/2014 at 21:54
Don't see him averaging that, I think if you bring him in you will just end up moving him on so I'd advise against it.

Nick · 19/04/2014 at 22:12
Thanks for advice just another quick question I have 400k in the bank I want to trade out Langdon for someone like Mitchell or should I get someone like jeansch about 150k cheaper and get rid of daisy for someone like macrae if rhinos plays a bad game. Even maybe a Dane swan. Thinking if daisy plays a good game the. I might hold and wait for someone like griffin or swan at a cheaper price thanks for your advice much appreciated

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 10:50
I'd wait to get rid of daisy but I think you've missed the macrae boat, maybe for a griffen or Goddard. I can justify langdon to jaensch, also look at adcock.

throttlefinger · 20/04/2014 at 01:08
Man that's rough, MD. Got lucky and looped him with Cameron. Hope he can keep 80+ average. Give us a little love for sticking fat with him, right?

Donut_King · 20/04/2014 at 09:30
Same

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 10:48
Only needs 13 disposals to get around the 80-90 mark with his de, don't get why people were moving him on

tension head · 20/04/2014 at 01:30
I like it. I like it alot. while we on the subject of improvement. I think we should all have one wildcard we can play through out the year. meaning when we decide to use our wildcard we can make as many trades as we like for that round. so if u wanna blow 10 of your 30 trades in one week its up to you. anything that adds another element of strategy is a good thing imo

Andrew · 21/04/2014 at 19:00
I agree with subs rule I had 4 players subbed out this week and score was decimated. is that a record? Is there any way you can use an emergency if they score higher than a subbed out player? I thought matt Thomas being subbed out was ridiculous.

Devan · 19/04/2014 at 23:05
Isn’t daisy injured? Either way I would play Tyson

crabb · 20/04/2014 at 00:05
Not sure, might be. On the team sheet though.
Just figured he's either been smacked around by Mick and will turn up with a 100+ game, or he will be slapped the vest by Mick in the hope of him working harder to gain a starting spot. If there's even suspicion of the later, i'm inclined to go Tyson.

Donut_King · 20/04/2014 at 09:29
Jacobs

Nick · 20/04/2014 at 01:18
What happened to Ellis why did he only score 2

throttlefinger · 20/04/2014 at 01:19
Twisted his ankle on a three leaf clover.

Rescued Pieman · 20/04/2014 at 09:22
Lol throttle. Can’t believe he made it to round 5. That sort of injury for Ellis means 2 seasons probably

CashCows · 20/04/2014 at 01:43
Long enough for me to go whooshka…your gone!

Gold Rush · 20/04/2014 at 19:49
Me too, don't care how long he is out for as his services are now considered surplus to requirements.

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 10:46
Cripps/Robertson and Lloyd for Dunstan and McDonut

Leighroy · 20/04/2014 at 23:33
Ellis and Tyson out, flipper and r8 prem in

Donut_King · 20/04/2014 at 09:29
Crouch

HiltonKid · 20/04/2014 at 09:37
Already got Crouch anyone else?!?!

Rescued Pieman · 20/04/2014 at 09:39
Wait till next week Robertson & cutler on the bubble. Good JS

HiltonKid · 20/04/2014 at 09:46
Had Robertson sitting on my bench all through pre-season and put him on field and got 71 RDT points for me pretty happy…..

Rescued Pieman · 20/04/2014 at 09:53
Maybe Lloyd & cutler next week. Great patience with Robertson. Trade saved

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 13:28
Same here. Forgot why I decided to keep him.

Leighroy · 20/04/2014 at 09:56
I would go with Ablett

Dools · 20/04/2014 at 13:35
Go with GAJ mate rips it apart at the G

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 12:31
I'd go Sauce myself but then again I would say that starting Rd1 with him.
Has proven to be quite durable in recent seasons and Mummy's return date is perhaps a little cloudy. Those knees have been an ongoing problem for him.

Brad · 20/04/2014 at 09:49
Why do you want to trade Enright?

HiltonKid · 20/04/2014 at 10:26
Injury problems and not performing….

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 09:51
Hanley trade seems good, if enright still has injury problems then I'd trade him to birchall, wouldn't trade Higgins or merrett just yet.

Brad · 20/04/2014 at 09:55
Essendon lost! 🙂

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 09:58
Don't blame the boys, battled gastro and the flu all week on top of a six day turnaround. Anyways freo lost too so it's pretty obvious that the previous game had an influence on this one.

Brad · 20/04/2014 at 09:58
Go swans!!!! Haha I feel ya

Brad · 20/04/2014 at 10:00
Your not saying that the swans won because freo weren't at their best! It was the bystander contested game I've seen this year so far!

Brad · 20/04/2014 at 10:00
Best*

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 10:45
Just saying both looked tired from the previous game, although I didn't watch much of the Sydney freo game

Leighroy · 20/04/2014 at 10:02
Trading enright is a sideways trade. I try an avoid these trades, when you selected enright you knew what you were going to get. Other then his injury against brisbane his delivered what is expected from him

Rescued Pieman · 20/04/2014 at 09:45
Yep. Hope he has 70 possies & kicks 12, by half time

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 12:29
Just so long as he puts on a typical Gaz showing and isn't a late withdrawl I'll be happy enough.
Have Ellis sitting on the pine with a big fat E and just 2pts in his pocket!

Dools · 20/04/2014 at 12:51
Same here SCaddict, I missed the call but the rumour mill is spiting out calf injury for a whopping 2 Points

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 13:46
Ankle was getting strapped pretty heavily before they decided to sub him. Apparently he tripped over the 50m arc.

Dools · 20/04/2014 at 14:32
I was told he stepped on the field and wandered thru the banner and that's when it all fell apart! at least he is not decapitated but a score of 2 makes me think there are plenty out there who will gladly raffle off the rights to decapitate him ….Sad, At least he won't lose to much value but he is the Next Sacrificial lamb on the KrakenKats Alter….along with Dustbin Dunstan So next week its on like Donkey Kong

Bundybear · 20/04/2014 at 13:24
LOL only 400? I need him to score at least 1200 points

GOSWANNNNNNNIES · 20/04/2014 at 09:56
Essendon lost 🙂

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 10:44
Chocolate will numb the pain

Derek · 20/04/2014 at 12:35
I traded him onto the field in place of Dunstan 10 mins before the game started. That hurt.

Sputnik · 20/04/2014 at 22:10
LOL

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 10:57
His b.e was only 11 so not much

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 11:52
Just a few thousand at most.

Scythe · 20/04/2014 at 11:13
Shame I didn't have the plums to bring him in though

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 11:28
Been talking him up since round 3, was always gonna go big with no monfries and Wingard still hurt

dannyyboyy · 20/04/2014 at 12:47
haha so do we all with ellis, im still tossing up trading tyson for crouch for the cash but gettin pretty close to the game now if im still iffy ill hold, thoughts? its been drivin me bonkers

favalinko · 20/04/2014 at 13:10
depends on your $ needs, the bye rounds are a comin. Any other cows you can cull

dannyyboyy · 20/04/2014 at 13:10
lock out i held

favalinko · 20/04/2014 at 13:02
I would take the 134 to the bank

The benchmark! · 20/04/2014 at 13:28
I’m in the same vote. Ill should stick with cotchin but my balls are too big not to take on a left against Melbourne.

The benchmark! · 20/04/2014 at 13:29
To take on ablett against Melbourne *

The benchmark! · 20/04/2014 at 19:30
Got to risk it to get the biscuit and it payed off 🙂 looking at a mammoth score

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 14:00
Take the 134.

Derek · 20/04/2014 at 16:04
I went with Gazza.

Graham · 20/04/2014 at 14:40
Same here but through my own stupidity not sleep!
Would love to hear people's thoughts on this as I'm now looking at either Crouch after his price rise or Robertson/Cripps/Gray on the bubble and with better bye rounds (leaning towards the latter)

Rescued Pieman · 20/04/2014 at 15:46
Couldn’t agree more. Shocking decision

Sputnik · 20/04/2014 at 22:13
yeah it seems the camera for goalline reviews mounted at richmond station is just a bit too far away 🙂

Rescued Pieman · 20/04/2014 at 17:06
Imagine how the 1000’s who traded him feel. Wish I had him as captain. Anyone that did well done

Kristofor · 20/04/2014 at 20:33
Been waiting on a score like that from Danger. Glad I held him.

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 21:52
Yes I think it was the reason many of us started with him to feast on the Crows rounds 4-7, even though we perhaps expected a slow start in the first 3 rounds.

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 16:46
Don't think it's too much to worry about. Looked like bit of a strain or cramp. Hopefully it was one of those precautionary red vests.
Will have to wait for confirmation from a medical report though.

Sarah · 21/04/2014 at 08:12
Last vision I saw he was getting a rub down from the physio so it doesn't look to be a strain, more a cramp.

Kev · 20/04/2014 at 21:19
Upgrade target. Assured role

Azmataz · 20/04/2014 at 21:44
Selwood, Pendles, Gaz are ahead of the rest.

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 20:28
Very up and down. That is to be expected from a key forward, but Cloke is just one extreme to the other. Will score sub-40 multiple times. Petrie will explode soon. I prefer him as a key forward option if anything. Encouraging signs over the last couple of weeks – just needs better service.

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 20:32
Petrie is good for 150 plus against the Blues it happens every year no matter how bad he is playing beforehand. But I think he's struggling a bit to keep up with the competition this year.

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 20:32
Pav is looking very tasty.

favalinko · 20/04/2014 at 19:31
Same here I feel your pain

Azmataz · 20/04/2014 at 21:41
Me too! Still winning though

skindog · 20/04/2014 at 19:05
Roughie for 4, hawks by 23,,,,,,

cyril · 20/04/2014 at 19:21
Yeh me too, much better than it has been!
Reiwoldt 116
Fasolo 132
Danger 192
Buddy 104
Martin 80
JHK 59

Marcus J · 20/04/2014 at 19:58
1920 / 17 – gaj captain
anything below 2300 ill be disappointed

Rescued Pieman · 20/04/2014 at 19:37
Neither. Hookers cost you money & so will Birchill. I learnt that last year

Azmataz · 20/04/2014 at 21:40
Neither

HiltonKid · 20/04/2014 at 21:54
Who then??? Have got Mitchel, Jaensch, McVeigh , Enright , Swallow and McDonald??

MightyDonsFC · 20/04/2014 at 21:59
Birchall, read Derek's post about him

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 20:09
Selwood if money isn't an issue.

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 20:12
No, he'll come good. Not that he's been terribly bad thus far anyway.

Rat · 20/04/2014 at 20:12
Why would you want to do that? Who are you trading him out for?

HiltonKid · 20/04/2014 at 21:57
Birchall or Hooker

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 20:34
Yes he's too old.

Cozza · 20/04/2014 at 22:43
Why trade him? He has done what everyone initially picked him for – consistent 80+ scores. Only sub 80 score what the game against the Lions when he was injured. If he is not injured, I'd keep him as there are much better trade options available

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 20:27
Hanley for Jelwood looks good. Merrett has money to make, I reckon.

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 20:33
If I could I would. Great trades you'll need a truck to carry the extra points.

Cozza · 20/04/2014 at 22:44
HIggins to Pav looks good – Pav looking good atm and more home games to come. Anyone to J Selwood is good

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 20:26
Trade Tyson out, move L-Mac or Langdon into midfield and bring Cutler in that way.

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 20:36
Yes. LMcD is not a keeper milk him now before he starts to tire and go backwards.

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 20:26
See above comment. Dunstan must remain, he's been great.

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 20:36
Yes. But maybe not. OK definitely do it and get Robertson. No get Gray. No wait use the money to get a premo

Marcus J · 20/04/2014 at 20:42
you drunk?

HiltonKid · 20/04/2014 at 21:56
Already got Robertson had him sitting on bench all pre-season and forgot about him is there anyone else?!?!

Cozza · 20/04/2014 at 22:46
Gray from Port is on the bubble. Had a great first week, but only 35 this week and got the red vest

WombatsFC · 20/04/2014 at 20:33
Yes Higgins for Merret is a good trade. Actually its a crap trade use the cash to get Pav.

HiltonKid · 20/04/2014 at 21:52
I was supposed to say should I trade both!!!!
Looking to upgrade Higgins to Pav ASAP

Wattsieesq · 21/04/2014 at 12:10
Classic Wombat. I love all your special comments. I'm paraphrasing here: "truck to carry extra points", "milk em before they go backwards" and now the Higgins to Merret trade. Your humour really brightens up the website, keep it up.

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 20:48
Try to bunch up your questions into one post, mate.

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 21:48
I wouldn't regard either as high priority trades.
Both players are still generating cash albeit at a slightly slower rate after this weekend's scores.

CJ · 20/04/2014 at 21:52
No way leave Higgins only 1 bad week

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 21:03
On course for something close to 2350. Duncan, Enright, Roughie and Mitchell left to play.

Caz · 20/04/2014 at 21:12
2357 with Mitchell left to play.

Azmataz · 20/04/2014 at 21:37
I'm on 2156 with Mitchell and Suckling left to play, would have been better if I didn't have bloody Ellis on the park! Gutted about that.

Derek · 20/04/2014 at 22:33
Still have StevieJ, Mitchell, Langford, suckling, Birchell, Varcoe and hMac to play. Have 1790 already with those 7 to play. Hope to get 2400
Had Ellis on field which really hurt

Marcus J · 21/04/2014 at 11:08
1920 with selwood, guthrie, roughie, mitchell and lanford to go

Cozza · 20/04/2014 at 22:50
I have similar score – sitting on 2030 with Enright, Suckling and Mitchell to play. Should clear 2300, which I'll be happy with after disappointments from Higgins, Langdon, Dunstan, Tyson, Taylor and McDonald….that said, probably shouldn't expect much more from rookies.

Derek · 20/04/2014 at 22:09
Any news on Crouch injury?

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 22:16
They mentioned at the start of Sando's press conference that it was just a leg cramp so he sounds right to play next week.
Sando also highlighted the importance of Crouch's impact on the game so looks like he will be a key part of the Crows midfield for the foreseeable future.

CJ · 20/04/2014 at 21:57
Sorry just Checked lost how many stupid Bulldogs players I have
2287/21

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 22:35
The loophole benefits aren't worth holding on to Caddy for any extended period.
If you don't have any other pressing issues I'd move him on this week or the following week at the latest.
Only tying up $300K plus in salary cap for nil return which won't help either your league or overall ranking situation.

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 22:47
Supercoach is a marathon. Not even a quarter of the way done yet. I had a very ordinary first couple of weeks but the last few have been ok.
Just have to keep chipping away and refining your team by cutting free the dead wood and chances are things will turn your way at some point.
My own team is getting fairly close to flog free after pruning out most of the burnmen in the first 4 rounds.

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 23:06
I have a mate who has the exact same problem as a Pyke owner. Think you just have to tough it out, at least in the short term, when it comes to under performing premos. He was averaging around 90 leading into this weekend which albeit underwhelming is not exactly DEFCON 1 material.
Libba is givng me the irits too with a couple of sub standard scores for a nigh $600K player but you really just have to ride it out unless there is an injury at play. Although if he can't get it together by the Doggies Rd9 bye an upgrade to Pendles or Jelwood is definitely on the cards he he!

Pat · 21/04/2014 at 16:43
your a beauty addict !!!!

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 23:00
JS = job security i.e. the likelihood that a player may retain his spot in the team.

walden · 21/04/2014 at 16:43
cheers brother

Shinboner · 20/04/2014 at 23:12
Robbo looked the goods on Thursday. With Rich out for an extended period of time, there is that niche for Robbo to occupy in the Lions midfield.

SCaddict · 20/04/2014 at 23:17
I have a similar issue with Ellis. I'm strongly considering swinging in Langdon out of my defence on to my midfield bench and bringing in Cutler but will see how the week pans out especially on selection Thursday.
Another way to go would be to look to upgrade Tyson to a Swan or Griffen who have found some form in the past fortnight though that will cost you some significant coin obviously.

Sputnik · 20/04/2014 at 23:19
Although he is only a swan, dane is looking as tasty as a crispy skin golden duck! I have read that people call Minson the skin flute and i dont know what that is but if he is now taking up the meat harmonica then i will need to get rid of him because he has been very annoying and lacking. However- Xellis has to go now, I will have to neck tyson coz he will be dropped next week and is lazy and dont get me started on Gimpey, Harris and LTaylor. Ohhh sheeshh, I forgot to mention Lmac, Langdon and Georgiou. Plus Clurey is wasting away on the pine but not worth a trade. Ohhh FFS i forgot to mention Dunstan too. He's looking smoked at AFL standard. At least Polec is doing OK, Crouch will be OK next week and Daisy better start pushin up or I will be pushin out!! 2014 = nasty SC

Shinboner · 21/04/2014 at 01:16
Jobe. Despite a sub 80 score, he is still in that tier just under Pendlebury and Ablett alongside the likes of Jelwood, Beams and SJ.

Beady Eye · 21/04/2014 at 09:11
Guess it depends on how you're judging it – by how they've scored this year so far, or whether they'll be must have by season's end.
If it's based on the former, you can't call Cotchin an ultra-premium when he's only tonned up in half his games and averages 98. Likewise for Dangerfield when he's been borderline rubbish until this week.
Could they be by the time SC finals arrive? Maybe, and with Danger it's almost a given, now that most people have him in their forward line. Not sold on Cotchin myself.

MightyDonsFC · 21/04/2014 at 09:29
Rockliff

Bray · 21/04/2014 at 10:18
Griffin.?

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 12:39
I was thinking as ‘must have in team by the finals’.
My mids are: Ablett, StevieJ, cotchin, Kennedy, beams, watson.
I have room for only two more, I have them reserved for Pendles and Jelwood. I will get them after their bye and my cash rookies have fattened up.
It is the other lines where it is hard to spot the ultra premos.

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 13:27
It would be nice if Jelwood has a bad game today so it affects his price for next three weeks, plus I’m a hawks fan.

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 18:30
Thanks Jelwood. See you in my team in 3 weeks

Rescued Pieman · 21/04/2014 at 11:38
He’s handy for round 8, if he doesn’t get injured. Soon as his bye comes BANG

SCaddict · 21/04/2014 at 13:51
Reckon that's the perfect plan Pieman.
A straight swap for a fallen Rd8 bye KPP premo such as Cloke or Petrie could be the go if they find decent form at that stage. May not even cost you a cent to do so which would be a sweet deal considering those guys were initially priced >$500K. Effectively made up $250K on those coaches who started with Cloke or Petrie with just one trade.
Also Higgo gets the Dees in Rd8 so it's probably worth keeping him around for that one if you can.

Swannies · 21/04/2014 at 11:21
Hanley. No one else. Just cause they have one bad game doesn't mean you have to trade them. Especially merret, he still played reasonably well got 19 possessions 8 marks, I really don't know how he only got 50 points but that was a game where all of essendon didn't score well in supercoach

Dools · 21/04/2014 at 11:43
Hold off on the McD trade , North were terrible across the park, I culled Tyson on Sunday for J. Macrea (WBD) so he is the calf to go to the shed esp. for Jeelwood nice trade. Expensive but Nice trade….Dunstan is on my Alter, Mind you he had a Neg 12 B/E this week So it might not be this week but before the byes. He is now Pine material. with Crouch moving from the pine to the show.
Higgins should be on your cull radar esp if clocks up 350K maybe for Cloke of Invisability I think he is back

dean · 21/04/2014 at 14:38
Considering he is averaging 140SC points for the season, its very likely

Penis Envy · 21/04/2014 at 18:35
And he ends up getting 74

Shinboner · 21/04/2014 at 14:56
Jelwood's scores against Hawthorn have been impeccable. Scored over 130 on them for the first time in his career in his first ever game against them, back in 2008. I'd bet by left nut on another massive game by the skipper.

Dools · 21/04/2014 at 16:49
Duncan is the fulcrum of the cats and Stevie j is Stevie J Unleashed he should be more damaging. Excpect Joel to make a big statemen t2 nd half

Shinboner · 21/04/2014 at 17:10
Things aren't looking too good for me, Dools.

Dools · 21/04/2014 at 18:35
Hi Shinboner, Things are not great on my end also….. I may crack 2200 but I doubt it but any score over last weekend is welcome

Penis Envy · 21/04/2014 at 18:36
And the tied has changed. Me and my big mouth.

WombatsFC · 21/04/2014 at 17:33
Hes on 48 at 3 qrtr time so he might struggle this week

Penis Envy · 21/04/2014 at 18:37
Yep, I'm taking it in the ass this week.

Rescued Pieman · 21/04/2014 at 11:42
Get rid of Ellis. Priority

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 12:46
My calculations, Ellis will be $299k. It would have been nice to get a little bit more, but he has done his job.
Daisy will rise to $390 but his BE will only be 35. I see him getting to $400+ next week. To soon to cash in daisy and Ellis, just do Ellis this week and put money in bank

dean · 21/04/2014 at 14:37
Are you thinking Ellis to a Sam Gray, Or strike now and pick up some premiums?

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 18:25
Ill be getting Selwood and pendlbury in round 9, need to build up cash first.

Shinboner · 21/04/2014 at 14:58
Entered the season with Robbo. Will bring Lloyd in this week.

Matt · 21/04/2014 at 18:07
Pretty sure he's missing at least next week, and thats enough for me to trade. Breakeven will be very high as well after scoring 2 points, so have to get rid of him.

CashCows · 21/04/2014 at 18:59
2427..

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 18:20
I’m looking at 2395 including Ellis. I might win 1 out of 5 leagues

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 19:58
I'm seeing a lot of 2300+ and a few 2400+

Scythe · 21/04/2014 at 18:22
Got to log out of your herald sun account.

Adam · 21/04/2014 at 18:25
please someone

Scythe · 21/04/2014 at 18:40
Read above

Adam · 21/04/2014 at 19:06
i dont have an account though

medadsson · 21/04/2014 at 19:11
You do by virture of your entry to Supercoach. There are two logouts. Use the one at top left of your page.

Dustbin Feltchers · 21/04/2014 at 22:20
i feel your pain brother……this happened to me too (using google chrome)….i had to clear the browser data in the tools menu…explorer was bad too… mozilla seems to work fine for now..

WombatsFC · 21/04/2014 at 21:04
Griff wont get much cheaper Jobe might drop another 30-50k before the bye

WombatsFC · 21/04/2014 at 20:58
Similar break out to A.Walker a few years back. Get him now

Sulzeer · 21/04/2014 at 21:06
Should you trade Ellis knowing he is going to be out for a few weeks atleast, or Dom Tyson who has bottomed out and has a BE of 98? I have the same prob, just thinking which is more of a priority, one who isnt playing but wont be losing cash or someone who is going to bleed..

Bray · 21/04/2014 at 21:14
Very good point mate, mighty just trade Tyson out .
Who go I use my $650,000 on then.?

cyril · 21/04/2014 at 21:18
I've got Ellis and Tyson, I'd be more inclined to trade out Ellis and upgrade Tyson into a Griffin, Fyfe or Watson. Watson is going to get cheaper too so maybe wait a week on him.

Sulzeer · 21/04/2014 at 21:22
Cant make the decision myself! lol needs to be someone without round 8 bye, if your looking premo, thinking Ryan Griffin is going to be a popular in this week, Swan looks great but the round 8 bye is bad news especially when you have Gaz, Pendles, Cotchin and Crouch. Jobe is on the radar but its a week early, 158 BE against pies on Friday is high but you wouldnt really be surprised to see him get it… still safer next week option. Having the midfield you have Id hold out for a week and make a more certain choice, so id just go Tyson > Gray.
Ellis is a possibility to play this week according to a mate.. surely not? maybe hold off and see, but hes still like Tyson with a big BE, it would be really handy if he missed.

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 22:01
Ellis BE is 101, he has to go

Sulzeer · 21/04/2014 at 22:30
Yes I understand this, however if he is not playing this coming week, he is not the one to get out over a Dom Tyson on a BE of 98 who will play. If Ellis does play trade, if he isnt playing this week, suck it up and hold

blake · 21/04/2014 at 21:16
trade tyson

blake · 21/04/2014 at 21:18
jobe or wait another week for his price to come down even more. Other option are tommy rockliff, griffin (who are bye friendly) or any midfielder you reckon will be in top 8 at end of the year

Bray · 21/04/2014 at 21:20
I was thinking Joel Selwood, but not to keen with the round out bye, or maybe JPK.?

Ty S · 21/04/2014 at 21:21
Steve J bringing him in now 4 tyson

Sarah · 23/04/2014 at 10:30
I personally like Fyfe or Rockliff.

rob · 21/04/2014 at 21:57
I think stick woth Hanley now.. stevie j scores big. But dont wanna chase scores. Trading out tyson u may benefit but he is still good becnch cover depending on who else u have. A few soynd very sideways. Stick with Enright etc if u need cash maybe Mcdonald to cutler but even then research that trade man

rob · 21/04/2014 at 22:03
In saying that I traded out tyson for swan last week. But u have Robertson already so no one really to trade down too? Tyson maybe handy in future rounds on bench. As always I trade on the bubble with good job security n price rise. But trade up or down not sideways ie hanley to griffen. Keep ur structure.

cyril · 21/04/2014 at 22:00
I wouldn't be trading Enright out. Why would you. He's scoring ok, but is consistant

Cozza · 21/04/2014 at 22:13
Agreed…why trade out Enright? He is doing what everyone picked him to do – get consistent scored from 80+. Only score under 80 was when he was injured against the Lions and sat for over a quarter on the pine. If you take out the Lions score, he is averaging 94.

Brad · 21/04/2014 at 22:13
Doesn't show it mate 🙂

Dustbin Feltchers · 21/04/2014 at 22:21
cheers brad…

Swannizz · 21/04/2014 at 22:11
All great players, if your thinking in the long run I'd say hibberd! But to generate cash quick jaensch

Derek · 21/04/2014 at 21:59
I’m getting rid of Ellis, moving Langdon to mid bench and getting in cutler

Aaron · 21/04/2014 at 22:01
I like your thinking a lot mate, might do that myself

Bob McBob · 21/04/2014 at 22:23
As soon as Monfries comes back, Gray is probably first in line to be dropped

SCaddict · 21/04/2014 at 22:26
If it's only a leg cramp as reported then you'd think he'd play this weekend.
Now that Douglas looks set to miss weeks the Crows will need every able body in their midfield to get a crucial win at the Doggery this weekend.
But we will have to wait for Thursday teams to know for sure.

Brent · 21/04/2014 at 22:32
Cheers mate

SCaddict · 21/04/2014 at 22:22
Either would be logical upgrades. I'm seriously considering bringing in Griffen for Dunstan this week myself.

Sarah · 23/04/2014 at 10:33
Rockliff if you've already got a lot of round 8 bye players.

SCaddict · 21/04/2014 at 22:19
It's the score the player must achieve in the next game they play to maintain their current price.
Typically players need to achieve slightly higher than this number to keep their current price, due to the scaling required to maintain the same total salary cap for every player in the competition as rookie prices rise.

Brad · 21/04/2014 at 22:24
Do I have to pay a registration to see the break even on players?

Cozza · 21/04/2014 at 22:27
If you want to see it on the supercoach website you need to pay the subscription, but you can usually find the breakevens on a number of forums – just google supercoach breakevens and it will bring it up for you.

Wattsieesq · 21/04/2014 at 22:21
Break even is the minimum score a player needs to get to ensure that their price does not go down. Over the BE and the players value goes up, under and it goes down.

Luke · 22/04/2014 at 21:39
Fyfe and cutler however there are better options than fyfe. Josh p Kennedy or Ryan griffen or jobe Watson all those are options and none have the rd 8 bye but if your gut tells you Fyfe then Fyfe and cutler definitely. More cash to be made with cutler as well