Finals week 1 chat
Hope each and every one of you is enjoying week one of the 2013 AFL Fantasy Footy finals series!
Let’s start kicking around the issues that we’re facing in this crucial first week of finals together. Young, old, tall, small, thin, fat, chick, bloke, Essendon supporters – everyone is welcomed with warm open arms to chip in to the discussion below in a warm and constructive environment. That’s the community way folks and I love you all for it.
Make sure you don’t miss the podcast this week (goes up Sunday 10.30pm) we have something very special in store for all of you.
Finals time and the deep heat is in the air. Like to congratulate you Master Jock on this magnificent site. All is well so far in my finals quest for glory. Sending a big Cheerio to Mad Mick i hope he has fixed his Rucks as they look depleted this week. Wishing the community all the best in there quest for finals Glory. "GO THE BRUMBY"
You're a hell of a good man Best Coast – your input and your fierce commitment to assisting others in this community is inspiring to myself and to all and for that I thank you son. Thanks for the congratulations mate – we're bloody proud of what we're building here – even prouder through of the ripping vibe among the comments and the helpful nature of folk in this joint. Better stop. Tearing up a bit. LOve ya mate.
Kind words Captain, i am totally over the moon and proud to be a part of the best football community in the modern World. Love back at ya Jock
Hey boys thinking priddis is gunna get the flick today.
who out of watson selwood or griff takes the cake? money is not an issue i want points.
barlow even could get the call up…
cheers big rigs.
Griifen for me, i am flicking Priddis to Watson next week as i have no Cyril Ash left.
Points? Griffen and Watson will average similarly over the next few weeks. I give the edge to Griff.
Yes no more being in Griffin denial for me. He's found consistency in his game and we could be looking a new long term super premium option in the Griff
Still kicking myself over Griff Dog, the little man in the back of the scone was always saying to me this can't last. How wrong you were Little man.
Griffen mate, proven this isn't just a purple patch, this is his new standard, bring him in
jock who to get rid of staker for? can get anyone in the mid or fwd: in the mid ive got pendles, ablett, selwood, jpk, rockliff, priddis and watson
in fwd ive got bartel, jarryd roughead, lewis, josh kennedy, staker (want to trade) , and rowe
who to get stake for?
Martin would be a good choice.
Yes agree with the throttle… The Man They Call Dustin is evolving. Get on.
Stevie J mate, great run of games at Simmonds, all those suspensions have ensured he's rested
Need some advice, was going to fine tune the mids and dump JPK for Jobe who i reckon is going to pump out a few good scores but now wondering if i should dump Priddis instead (m8) is he right or not? I have T Mitchell on the bench as cover i guess..
Thoughts?
If you have held on to JPK so far i would keep him. Priddis to Watson Better as i am doing that next week. I have JPK as well the moment he flick him he will go "BANG"
JPK hasn't stressed me as much as Zorko, but he's clearly in second. Think this is a gut call. Watson I would say is more likely to go ton this round. Who does your opponent have? If he has JPK and not Jobe, I might jump on that. Finals is trying to get that POD edge.
Both opponents have JPK and we're neck n neck so gonna flick him for the POD and hope like hell he doesnt go BANG and the frizzy headed one does! He had a low score last up against the pies so heres hoping!
Cheers guys good luck for the round
Got to get rid of Priddis, under injury cloud, JPK for all his faults this year still has the ability to produce some ripper scores
Rolling dice making Crouch M6 instead of Mitchell (who is my opponent's M6). Hope Mundy doesn't pull a soreness.
Best of luck Throttle!
Good move i have watched Crouch play footy for years and he is a gun. In the next few years he will be a Super Premo.
I have to play either Tom Mitchell or O'Meara. Who would you go with?
Better fixture? O'Meara. Better player? O'Meara. Jaeger all the way!
yep spot on Shin 😉
I reckon the J Bomb against Melbourne RIchard – could be the way to go
Toss of the coin Richard, i would pick O'Meara v Dees. But having said that i will be a smashing contest with the Pies V Swans mid's so many great players on both sides. I don't think Titch will cope a tag this week.
Agree with BCE that Mitch won't get tag. But think KJack and O'Keefe (and possibly JPK) will go big before Tommy Boy. Regardless, Dees are a sad sack and the deflated mood from losing to GWS will continue against the Suns. Think J Bomb goes ton for certain.
Thanks folks. O'Meara it is. You are absolute champ, Jock.
How are you going Jock, are you gonna win your first final? I am a massive chance with my opponent having 2 donuts
Gday there Eefto – you got a gig on last Wednesday's video mate did you see? Mate – I finished 8th in the Premier League – not the best season for the Brumby this year but looking good in the consolation finals
Donuts are popping up everywhere and they aren't sugar coated. So much carnage this year. Hope you have a good win Eefto
Any news on whether Swanny and Pendles will play tonight? Have they flown up yet? With Priddis and Mundy under clouds, it could be carnage with 2 or 3 late outs.
Swan & Pendles have gone to Sydney and should play. I will be in more trouble than the early settlers if the are out's as i have both with Priddis. Mundy and Priddis are doubtful from what i am hearing from the West.
Swan + Pendles + Mundy out = bourbon round
Missing Buddy and Kruezer
Have to play Rowe and Staker
Also have underperforming mids like
JPK, Mundy and Priddis
WISH I HAD JACK, BARLOW AND GRIFFEN INSTEAD
Forgot to mention it earlier, but loving the new Twitter integration, Jock!
Gday everyone, im locked in a QF battle with an arch rival and im in a bit of a panic. Hes predicted to edge me according to SC Gold. I got 426k and 3 trades left. Thinking Jaeger to Griffen DEFINITE and Nic Nat to A. Walker OR Thurlow to Dixon. Smart moves?
Get Griffen FOR SURE. Walker is a good bet but Martin would be better. Playing like a crazed banshee. Who does your opponent have? Would look for PODs.
Thanks throttle. Have got Martin which is a good thing. I could do Nic Nat to def of my choice and move staker fwd. Would leave enuf to trade mitchel next week to anyone. Dixon playing melbourne, starting fwd is it too risky? Heater playing the swans could get the ball?
Dixon has certainly came back strong. Impressed with the way he's gone apeshit while going weekend at bernies on us. So no, not too risky. And a strong move from Staker, who I'm afraid I still have and feel hitting a 100 is in his rearview. Good luck, gmack!
SC GOLD??? Thats for hacks- a bit of cheating it is- has SC GOLD chosen your whole team for you?
It was always my belief that any team you play that uses SC Gold should have an icon next to their name saying they use SC GOLD. Fantasy footy is a free game yet people pay to help choose their team?? I just dont get it.
Its called SC, yet all I here is people asking "who should I trade", "who should I put on the field" and "should I bench such and such". I just dont get it!!!
This site is awesome coz it gives opinions and hints etc, but the aim of the game is to CHOOSE AND COACH YOUR OWN TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have never asked what should I do with my team once in 3 years- why? Coz I am the coach. Thats my opinion thats all.
I mean wheres the glory if someone tells you to get Jelwood and he fires up and gets massive scores? There is no glory coz you didnt make the decision yourself.
Anyway, SC GOLD should be totally seperate from players like me- and maybe they can use some of the subscription fee for prizes for a SC GOLD competition.
If you need the herald sun to give you all the stats and suggest your players to you- well, its just not cricket
I didn’t watch the game last night Jock but I must say I’m a little disappointed with Big Boys score I brought him in only a few weeks ago and thought he may have got the better of Hale. Are we gonna see a 110+ score from him in the finals?
P.S I’m pushing towards the top 1k so thank you sir!
Hi everyone, Need to upgrade Staker, forwards are currently: Rockliff, martin, walker, bartel, zorko and staker. Going to trade nicholls down to grundy to free up some cash, but who is my best trade in option out of stevie j (opponent has him), pavlich or boomer harvey (both make a good POD). Thoughts?
Cox looked inspired last week. Don't know if he can dupe that effort. Like Pavlich but he may be knocking off some rust after being out 3 games. Boomer…hmmm, very risky. Could go Boom or Blap. Stevie J is a beast and he's only going to be hitting it harder each round.. Even though opponent has Stevie J, would get him. Good luck!
I reckon Boomer will get tagged and he does not like a tag. Stevie J is your best option but if your after a POD have a look at Matthew de Boer he could be one of the Freo players that really takes advantage of this brilliant run home they have.
Pav over Boomer for me.
Thanks, I already have Cox in my ruck
i have 2 trades left in a Qualifing Final
Should i trade Nic-Nat to Ivan Maric or play B.Grundy?
Depends on whether you're projected to win or not.
If not, Nic-Nat to Sandilands if you've got the cash, otherwise bring in Maric.
its to close to call
Back again. With Buddy out, I have to play one of Staker or Zorko. Also with Ibbotson out, I have to play Clisby or Blayne Wilson. Finished 5th and in a very tight match. Any thoughts PLEASE!!
This is a gut call. I have all of them…and, unfortunately, have to play them all. If I had to choose, I'd go Clisby and Zorko. Like what the Dee Boy Deffer did last week. Should some grit and ball hunger. Zorko…ugh. Well, I think he has the potential to go 120+. Staker no such feeling. Either could lay a curry farty egg.
Know I've handed a thirsty man an empty beer can…but that's my 2 cents.
Still no clearer but at least I had a good laugh! Just can't bring myself to trust Zorko. Opponent has Staker in but no Zorko. May play safe on Staker and rely on others?
Depends what kind of fight you're in. Keeping pace or trying to make ground. Keeping pace than match and hope for the best. Making up ground then go for POD. But I hear ya, I won't rest my finals on Zorko's shoulders.
I don't like to watch Melbourne games (I have better things to do with my life) so I can't say too much about how Clisby plays. But I really like Bilson as a player, and his scores seem consistent enough. I'd probably go with him. Agree with throttle regarding Staker/Zorko.
Got 220k in the bank but got Buddy and Kreuz out.
Only got Grundy for cover on the bench and Sylvia on the bench for Buddy
My trades were going to be T Mitch and Jaeger out for 2 of Watson/Fyfe/Griffen/Jack
but now these outs have turned that all upside down
What ppl think should i go sideways with Kreuz to big Will and get one of the mids for T Mitch/O Meara or somehow get rid of Sylvia
Get Minson in, trade up Mitchell or O'Meara to one of those 4. Sylvia will be right against Gold Coast this week
Yeah i thought he'd be alright against GWS last week and he stunk it up, bit of a worry.
But yeah going Kreuz to big Will and sticking with Jaeger against the Dees and going T Mitch out for probably Griffen although Curnow might go to him who done the job on Gaz a couple of weeks back
Yeah, they tagged the hell out of him. Don't think GC will resort to heavy tagging. They already have this game in the bag.
Can you reverse a trade after the round has started? I haven't had any players play yet
Nah you can't reverse a trade once its started but you can trade still. Just make sure its the trade you want as once you hit the button thats it
Awesome thanks for that!
Traded Priddis to S. Mitchell before last night's game. Happy with the result.
Wondering whether to trade Mayes for Scotland (swinging Staker to fwd bench).
Still have Zorko too, but just shy cashwise of being able to bring in a decent forward.
Otherwise I could hold off. Any advice?
Just done a bit of research:
Could trade Zorko to Stokes in the fwd line, or to Ryder or Maric in the Rucks.
Any advice Jock. Anyone. Appreciate it.
Mayes to Scotland a good move in my opinion, as long as you'll still have a trade/s after that, if it's your last, save it instead
Yeah, have 3 trades left, so will have 2 for the rest of the finals.
J.selwood or griffen??
Griff.
EDIT: In hindsight, I may have been wrong…
Selwood easy
Who to put on the field Gibbs or Ellis?
Gibbs
EDIT: In hindsight, I may have been wrong…
Ellis lol.
I hope you chose Ellis.
Ellis on field woop woop dilemma Gibbs / Shaw / Clisby which one on the field?
Heath Shaw? If so, him. And congrats with Ellis.
Clisby is looking a lot better right now oh well you win some and lose some
Rockliff on fire.
Fellas, have loophole going with Griffen, what score should I settle for given Gaz is playing 250th against Melbourne?
135+
Same here.
I think settle for anything over 125.
Matthew Lobbe with the equal third most hitouts ever: 59.
In Geelong's defence, they have almost all their ruckmen out. But great job by Lobbe nonetheless.
Selwood 152 – nice if you have him as VC.
Take selwoods 152 for vc loophole ir stick with gaz?
Why wouldn't you take it. Take 150 everyday of the week even gazz's 250 th against melbourne.
Don't think twice about it. Take Jelwood's score.
It's been upped to 160. Should be no questions weather to keep it.
im thinking selwood as C , what do you think
If Scott, no. If you loopholed Joel, of course.
Selwood for sure mate
Curnow on Cooney and Cachia on Libba.
Griffin getting a heap of ball, hasn't been effective, one out on the full, one into the man on the mark and missed an easy set shot from the hotspot.
Should I keep the C on Ablett, or take the VC score of Selwood (160) and run?
VC on Selwood.
Take 160 to the bank.
Ablett. Vs Melbourne. At Metricon. Gary's 250th.
You make the call mate
Thank God i didn't listen to you!
Sorry mate, thought Gaz would turn it on for such a big game, not turn it off!!
Selwood. Selwood. Selwood. You cannot throw away a potential 320 points.
got a question
If you have 2 emergency in the same spot like two ruck emergency do I get a higher score
Do iget the higher score or the lower score
Lower.
Griffin only on 30 at half time.
98 point second half!
G'day everyone,
Taking Selwoods 160 as vice captain loophole, and putting K. Martin on field as captain. This means i have Priddis on bench replacing Martins zero. Will Priddis play? If he is a late out i will be risking a donut. Should i make Tom Mitchell as emergency and play him over Priddis, just to remove risk of a Priddis donut?
Thanks alot!
i would
Scotland getting robbed because Waite has dropped it literally every time he's kicked it to him… Annoying.
Happy about using the loop on Jelwood though! Knowing my luck, Gaz will score even more against my beloved dees though
Hey guys,
I need to play either Mitchell or Crouch on field. My head and my gut are at odds with each other about who to choose.
found out something never ever to put the c on gary abblett for rest of the year joel selwood will get it what a joke gaz is against Melbourne and only scored 46 at halftime selwood had 95 at half time against port don't care what people think of this gaz should never be given the cap
Get out
SORRY to say Nick, but you might need VIAGRA eye drop's to have a good hard look at yourself
one more thing the gold coast players were saying abblett is the best player in the leage I choke on that selwood would have be one of the best players in the leage I reckon this year he is he cant even give you a decent score on dream team or supercoach
I hope you realise he's averaging almost 140 this year. Ignore him at your own peril.
To be fair, it is not entirely Ablett's fault he was badly injured at around three quarter time and may not play for a few weeks.
Nick, this comment you have just made is farcical.
Gary Ablett has dropped below 100 once, now probably twice, this season and the first time he did he scored 99.
Joel Selwood has dropped below 100 six times, with one of his scores being 54.
Don't mistake this for hate because I'm a huge fan of Joel Selwood and huge fan of Gaz.
But DON'T question Gary Ablett, because he is clearly THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, both AFL, Supercoach and Dream Team.
Ablett 67.
Pendlbury: 156.
What the bajesus is Ablett doing. I went the whole season without him and bought him in after his 175 and he is just cruising along getting very average scores. What's the deal? Injured, can't be bothered. Take out his 170 and he has been averaging less than 105 since he scored 140 against essendon.
Gary Ablett injured his right hand at around three quarter time. It looks pretty bad and he could miss the next two weeks. Not good.
just because he is not getting good scores in super coach, is no reflection of him "not being bothered"….one would think……hope…..
think by naming abblett cap is going coast me a lost this weekend what a loser cant even score over 70 against mel should named selwood
Yeah I agree. Ablett went at that ball like a bull and now we have to possibly trade him out because he was being so reckless
does captians loophole not work in finals?
It is so frustating for all of the dream team coaches out there now that we have to deal with Gary Ablett's injury!
Everyone's going to jump off Ablett next week, and he will score 190. It always works that way.
Agreed Shinboner !!. The amount of people panicking about the great one (GAJ). They can jump of at there peril all that will do is end in more tears. Good luck to the Roo Boys today
Should I take Pendlebury's 150 or gamble with Barlow vs GWS
C'mon, dude. 150 is SC gold. And it's for certain. No guessing. Unless you're losing and your opponent had Pendles…take…it…now!
Agreed !!
similiar issue – I put the VC on Ablett, now I have to choose between Barlow and Fyfe for Cap. If you can, hold of on your decision as long as possible, otherwise take the bird in hand, he's cleared 130 and thats usuallly a good rule to follow.
Really !!!!. Keep it mate, unless you are greedy and all that can do is end in tears. If you are losing and need to send the Hail Mary out maybe. Rule of thumb 130+ is a keeper.
Take the 150. Gambling on Barlow will only end badly.
Opponent looped Selwood. I had Gazza. 152 points I need to make up against 4 POD players. Not likely. Finals…such a cruel mistress.
Feel your pain throttlefinger, i myself looped Selwood and if he didn't score at least 140+ (Normally 130+) i would have gone GAJ. Was so confident that GAJ in his 250 against Dees at home that he would have gone big. I have been burnt so many times on the Loop this year. There will be some low scores this week. Good Luck Mate
Thanks BCE. But I'm toast. Relying on Mundy, Ryder, Crouch and your boy Wilson against Myers, JJK and Barlow. Tall order. Going to hit the bourbon and ginger and hope it can get me a win.
A couple of stiff Bourbs always a great remedy for Supercoach pain.
Yep, same thing happened to me. I'm playing the community's very own Chandanraj, and I was projected to win until Gazza happened. Can't make up that deficit with three uniques.
supercoach isnt letting me change captain from franklin argh!!!!
Because his team have all ready played Dave. Rookie Mistake if you Captain looped with your C in the first game. Everybody has made that blunder at least once. Hope you can recover Dave
I'm 5 points behind the ladder leader, he captained GAJ, I put the VC on him. My options to captain today are
Danger
Jobe
Fyfe
Cox
Who would you choose?
Easily Fyfe!
I don't think it matter's who. All will beat GAJ score. I would go Fyfe at home against GWS
Fyfe. At home and has been playing big. He will go big. But like BCE commented, pretty sure each will go ton or beat Gazza un-Gazza score.
Well done Mick. Reading all the dumb negative posts about Gazza, they should be playing him the way you have.
Danger
The community has spoken….Fyfe it is. Fingers crossed no late outs!
3 trades left and in an elimination final.
Opponent has 145 + Heppell and I have Cox, Nic Nat and Barlow.
T/U- Back myself in (I’ll need the trades later on)
T/D – Trade Nic Nat to Pav?
Nic Nat to Pav. No point losing the final and have 3 trades not used
Or maybe Mayne?
dont trade unless you have to – so wait until freo game and trade Pav if you must – he should be fit ready to go
fyfe or barlow. Fyfe has greater abilty to get those 130s but barlow has not dropped below 100 since round 6
come on fyfe get me 250 as captain
At this rate he'll be lucky to pass Ablett.
2 Trades left how can I improve this team and give some firepower?
Thoughts greatly appreciated …
DEF: Goddard, Shaw, Gibbs, Enright, Hartlett, Hanley (Ellis, Clisby)
MID: Ablett, Swan, Pendlebury, JPK, Selwood, Shuey, S Johnson, Fyfe (T. Mitchell, Zorko)
Ruck: Cox, Leuenberger (Nicholls, Mc Bean)
FWD: Franklin, Roughead, Rockliff, A. Walker, JJK, Staker (Rowe, Daniher)
Staker/Rowe to Dustin Martin would be great! Then hold that last trade for injuries. If you're feeling a bit ballsy, JPK to Watson would be a definite improvement.
Duffield's been completely ripped off. Racking up the numbers (including a goal) and still in the 60s.
I lost by 40 poimts all becoase I put the c on horrible abblett and not super selwood or Watson oh well should win next weel
2341 Selwood as captain and Mayne as my last trade today has got me over the line in 3 of my 4 finals. I lost one final by 5 pts but have double chance so not to bad.
2308 with Ablett as captain. Going to do Nic Nat to Mayne next week with my final trade if NN isn't back. Ruing what could've been a 2400+ score if Ablett had a half-decent game.
I did nit nat to Mayne today as stakers 79 I did not think was enough for me to win. Can't believe mayne got 130.
At least there are a huge number of people who would've made Gaz captain as well
Bad Luck ShinbonerSpirit………bad C & VC choice had made your team loose against my team……anyways good luck in the other leagues mate…..your team is very very solid……………
I am thinking of doing no trades this week……won 5/5 leagues I am in…..and have got 1 elimination final this week in the same league you got knocked off…….
Have got Nic Nat in my team as well…..and I dont think he will be back this season…….so thinking of trading him…..have got 3 options mate which one do you reckon is a good one…..
Option – 1:
OUT: Nic Nat……..IN: Dusty……
Option – 2:
OUT:Nic Nat…….IN:Will Minson
Option – 3:
OUT:Nic Nat….IN:Chris Mayne
What are your thoughts……..
Its even this year win/loss between us……you won against me in the league stage and I won against you in the finals!!!…….
Cheers,
Raj…..
Dusty for sure mate. Always good to have players who play a vital free-running role in a team truly contending for the premiership.
Thanks mate…..will see how my opponents team looks like on Friday and the projected scores…….if I feel I have a chance of beating him without doing any trades then I will hold on to the trade if not I will decide to trade or not during the rolling lockout……before WCE and Richmond plays…….
That's it I will be looking to bring in Dusty into my team as my final trade…..if not this week, next week for sure…..
Thanks for you comments above mate…….much appreciated…….and all the best for you in other leagues…….
Cheers,
Raj…..
hey guys need advice in dream team my mids are swan ablett pendles fyfe k jack j selwood Cotchin
Barlow Tom Mitchell is on the pine but i am going to bring Griffen this week coming because he is the in form mid right now i am not to sure who to put on the pine so Griffen can be on my field
bartel is other i am looking to trade out but i have no idea who to i have dusty rocky Roughead Stokes sj
money no problem i have the week off i do not want to pick revolt because of that knee
thanks for your time guys
Don't trade out Bartel. He played the first half deep in defence, where the action wasn't occurring. He scored a majority of his 61 in the last quarter.
Keep him this week and see how he goes.
thanks for your help Chicken
Final trades:
OUT Shuey IN Griffin
OUT Franklin IN Watson
Advice please
Great trades, but if Buddy is named wouldn't trade him
Hi guys im looking to trade Tom mitchell for my 8th mildfield spot although i dont have much cash in the bank
The best of my options are
Gibbs, DanielRich, Marc Murphy, Scott thompson, Stanton, and maybe even Brock Maclean
Help would be very much appreciated thanks
Bryce Gibbs or Marc Murphy.
Yeh they are the 2 im heading towards
Why is everyone raving on about a point of difference. There is no point picking up a player who will average less just because he is a point of difference. If you picked up Ricky Henderson over say Goddard then you have created a point if difference for the opposition who has the better player and you have lost points. I beleive people should be striving to make the best team possible no matter how many people own them.
If you think Ricky will avergae more the the rest of the year then bring him in. Just make the decision because you think he will average more points not because on 4% of people own him.
Obviously if calculated risks need to be taken then look for a POD, but just don't pick a player because he's unique.
That's just my opinion anyway.
Agreed watto !
exactly
IMO, a POD should only be a player that has performed well all year but isn't that popular e.g Montagna,Sloane etc.
How do 2 Essendon defenders score 130 and 122 Supercoach points when West Coast did that big a demolition job on them – smashing them that badly that they doubled their score? Yeah, I'm sookin' after going down by 3 measly points in my first qualifying final. Gives me a chance to take revenge on an opponent who knocked me off earlier in the year when Grimes got injured early .. and then on to meet my arch-nemisis in the prelim!! Did I mention I was ROBBED!! Damn plum rolling Fantasy Gods!!
Those two essendon defenders were pretty much in every play and racked up heaps of possessions.
Hibbered 30 at 80% effiecency and Goddard 27 at 78%
Hibberd had 22 kicks and 8 marks
Goddard 18 kicks, 10 marks and 3 goals…
I know Chicken. Unfortunately social media doesn't transfer emotion .. it was a sarcastic comment made in jest after getting done by 3 points – funnily enough by an opponents called Chicken Chasers .. LOL!!
made Ashley smith to Enright and blitz man to mummy he is probably a inform ruckman at the moment think he is rucking back to his best nearly its going be interesting this week for me as I am playing someone who has 12 players the same as me just have to pick the right person in cap as I know she will go gazz and I will go joel selwood this week he will kill the eagles
Is Terlich worth having on the field or should I upgrade Clisby so Terlich can be on the bench?
T/U: Hold Terlich
T/D: Upgrade Clisby
As all games are must win from here on in, bringing in an upgrade should be the way to go. If you have a non-player on the bench you can then maybe loop-hole Terlich.