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Defense options poll

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3 burning Supercoach Dt questions.

Defenders have been very difficult this year. In fact they have been a real pain in the arse.

We have pretty clear core of locks with Goddard, Gibbs, Shaw and Heppell setting up shop in most of our backlines but the real trouble is with that next tier of prospects.

Birchall, Duffield, Dixon.. blokes like these have looked alright for periods during the year but have gone arse over during the season.

Many of us are weighing up the pro’s and con’s of a similar bunch of prospects this week so thought this would be a good one to put out to the community:

which of these defenders will score most SC points for the rest of the season?

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Jordan

I think Ibbotson will, but I think I want to look to get Hanley in..

Andrew

Why is Ellis left out of all these discussions. Apart from getting subbed off with concussion has been a consistent high scorer since about rd6.

Kris

77, 71, 38, 82 aren't great recent scores.

Andrew

38 was when he got subbed off concussed in the first qtr, scores prior to that were 134, 82, 103, 149 & 127. That's an average of 103 if you remove the sub affected score for his last 8 games. Maybe everyone assumes he is dropping back to 80 odd scores I was just curious he was never mentioned in these type of debates even when he was pumping out 100+ scores.

Kris

Those high scores were a while ago… Take out his sub score (which is still a score people had to deal with) and he has 77 point last 3 game average. Tigers have Freo, Swan, Hawks so he is also likely to be in a losing side for the next 3 games. Doesn't seem like a good option compared to the others listed.

Smittzzy

Kris is right Kid is very young. future star but not one of today.

Sean

typical Richmond supporter

Charlie

Terlich out hanley in is that a good trade?

Jay

Can't really go wrong with that trade…..Lions have Melbourne, Port, Saints, Richmond, Giants, Bulldogs and Cats as the remaining fixtures!!! Pretty soft draw could see Hanley averaging around 110+ for the rest of the season & at 434k pretty much a bargain!!

Charlie

Thanks πŸ™‚

Dee

Agreed…. Well said Jay!

Bazza

When’s duff back

Bucks

This week hopefully

Jay

Trading out Garland for Hanley this week…..

Genco

Why did you get Garland….

Jay

Make some cash….when he was on fire earlier & Hanley was getting tagged out of the game….made around 50-60k and now "downgrading" to Hanley as Garland's scores are dropping and Hanley's are rising….

Jay

Can't really complain too much – he gave me scores of 107,144,74,90,73! Better than some other premiums at the time!!

Sam

What about Bob Murphy? Averaging 96

Jay

Very high BE this week of 137….maybe worth waiting a week before bringing him in…worth 498k, so quite pricey!

Smittzzy

Hanley and Ibbotsan in this week to complete my full premium. 5 trades left what do you reckon community, keep or trade Hannebery?

Jack

You would have to keep him

Remy

Smittzzy Hannebery is coming of a 122 SC score, why would you want to trade him…. Keep

Dockers101

I have 5 trades left, is it too risky to trade out Terlich for Hanley?

Jay

5 trades are quite a few! Definitely worth trading out Terlich to Hanley……Terlich 424k BE: 117, Hanley 434k BE: 47…..this week the trade will cost you only 10k – next week it will cost you more…

jas

The trade is good but 5 is not quite a few.
In most years a trade is required during the 4 rounds of finals to cover 'the general' & genuine injuries.
3 rounds left before the finals even start.
Are you at full premo?

Charlie

I dont know who to trade out. This is my team:
Goddard, Heppel, Hanley, Gibbs, Shaw, McKenzie, Ablett, Pendulbury, Selwood, Priddis, O'Meara, Ball, Mitchell, Crouch, Leuenberger (I want to keep him because of Brisbane having easy matches), Ryder, Bartel, Stokes, Rockliff, Mayne, Johnson, Harvey. I have $29,800.
BTW Im using DT

Jay

Not sure who is on your bench, but I would definitely get some more Premiums in the MID, should upgrade O'Meara, even Ball – having only Ablett, Pendles and Selwood as the premiums looks pretty thin…..I would definitely upgrade in the MIDs – I would be considering likes of Swan, Barlow, Fyfe, ROK

Charlie

I decided to trade out O'Meara. These are the options that I have: Swallow, Martin, Mitchell, Deledio, Cotchin and Josh P Kennedy. Who should I trade in?

Chris

JPK

ShinbonerSpirit

JPK is terrible in DT. I'd prefer Cotchin/Martin.

Charlie

Ok just realised that he only has an average of about 92, am probably going to go for cotchin now

Skintip

Certainly NOT JPK. He is no good in DT. Porbably Swallow

Jay

For DT, from that list, I would go Cotchin – has a tendency to finish the year off very strong and only worth around 410k..

Charlie

Thanks

James

O'meara

matteus

got Shaw in this week! don't need to worry about these fellas

@Jacko2128

getting terlich out for a forward (via staker swing), who is the best option for under 471k?

Or should i downgrade another player to get someone like roughhead?

Jack

Martin, Rockliff, Bird

Mungo Man

definately get roughy in has been killing it form should hold all year?

Kieran

I already have Ibbotson in my team and he has been consistent ever since, with Freo's run home I would get him in if you don't already. Pearce Hanley would be my second choice.

Jack

G'day Jock and community. Just wondering your thoughts on who to get in for my last midfield position this week out Barlow and Mundy (50k cheaper)? Cheers

Josh

If you need the money for another trade then trade in Mundy but if not hen definitely go with Barlow

Josh

^ *then*

Jack

Definitely? Mundy has been in great form, and scored more on the weekend. His run home last year was huge

Josh

True, then go with your gut feeling as they both are both in good form and should both finish off strongly

Jay

I dont think you could go wrong with either of the 2, I went with Mundy last week to replace Watson – purely based on 2 things……he finished last year very strong and he is around 50-60k cheaper than Barlow..

luke

Defense currently looks like this: Goddard, Gibbs, Shaw, Heppell, Hanley, Hartlett (Clisby, Frost). Should I be changing anything or is it fine? I know my bench isnt great, but one active emergency is all I need. I doubt any more than 1 of my D6 will get injured throughout the rest of the season.

Jack

Same Defence as mine and I'm ranked 755! I have goodes and clisby on bench though, but you should be fine. Nothing needed to change

luke

Ok thanks Jack!

Sam

My defense looks like this:
Goddard, Gibbs, Heppell, Shaw, Hanley, Duffield (?) (Staker, Thurlow)

Anyone know when Duffield will return, I have good cover in Staker vs Melb so not to worry if he is out for another.

James

Minson or Goldstein for a pickup this week. Need help both same price and average who will pull it out??

Jack

Personally I would go Goldstein. Even though he had a lowish score on the weekend he seems to smash out those big scores more often than minson, and I believe minson is tiring a bit and slowing down from his early season blitz. This is coming from a Minson owner.

Josh

Hi community, Should I trade out Dangerfield for Barlow or Watson for Selwood. I have T.Mitchell to cover whoever I chose to keep, if I trade out Dangerfield I will have a premium on the bench for longer but I will also get Barlow who is in great form (this will be more beneficial for the finals), But then if I trade out watson it wil benefit me short term as I will have a premium on the bench for only a couple weeks. Any help will be much appreciated.

Jack

Tough. Can you do both?

Josh

No unfortunately, I got carried away with trades at the start of the season so I have to hang on the few I have left

Jack

Tredrea said on Adelaide news that Danger is a big chance of playing this round. Reckons he's had the same injury and you can get by with a painie .. and more importantly, you can't do any more damage. Also reported that Danger has said he wants to play this weekend.

Gilly

I've got Danger and I'm thinking of going to Pendles,

He might be able to play as he did friday night but instead of scoring 120 maybe he scores 80-90.

You are in a tough spot, i'd lean towards Watson out.

James

Is it worth trading out Dixon for Hanley even if he doesn't play this week. Both have easy draws. I am very happy to cover with staker but what is the best long term solution for finals.

Jack

Definitely worth it.

ShinbonerSpirit

If Dixon isn't named this week, you're probably going to have to cut your losses. He's a walking one-week injury. And when he gets back, he'll struggle to get more ruck time than Nicholls.

James

He does need more ruck time than him. He was second ruck man to smith and averaged on 9 hit outs a match. I don't think that will be big problem, more if his form will return after such a large break. Is he the sort of player who can still score well it's limited fitness? That's my main worry

James

I'm interested to see what people think dixon will average when he comes back from the dead. I want to keep him as a point of difference and with an easy run home he could go alright. Starting to loose my patience though.

James

I have staker as coverage so I have no rush

ShinbonerSpirit

He won't get too much ruck time if Nicholls keeps this up. That means he probably won't score what he did pre-injury.

James

Cheers

ShinbonerSpirit

You might all want to keep in mind that Hanley plays Melbourne. If he plays as the typical half back, he won't get much of the ball. Bartel was playing across half back and struggled to get to 80 (some late touches gave him a respectable score). It's midfielders and forwards that benefit from the pathetic Demons.

jack

true but did you see Hanley play melbourne last year? Absolutely tore them to bits running of the wing and kicking goals, from memory a ginormous score.

ShinbonerSpirit

I'm just wary with my trades, especially after Birchall and Watson.

Jay

His last 3 scores against Melbourne are 99 (2011), 104 and 124 (both 2012)…..I'd be happy with something in that vicinity this week!!

ShinbonerSpirit

This 2013 Melbourne side is the single most pathetic excuse for a professional footballing side I've ever seen, and I'm not exaggerating. The inside 50s differential in the Geelong/Melb game was MORE than 50! Melbourne got the ball into their 50 less than twenty times, and some of those were quick ventures that creeped over the line and came straight back. I'm staying clear, just in case Melbourne are just as bad as they were last week, and looking to maybe bring him in next week despite his price. Then again, Malceski monstered GWS…

Jim

should i trade terlich or hold onto him?

ShinbonerSpirit

As the boys mentioned in the podcast, get rid of him.

Dylan

Defenders are:

Goddard, Heppell, Gibbs, Hanley, SD.Thompson, Terlich (Clisby, Thurlow

I Have 5 Trades left with 110,000. What do I do?

Jack

Terlich-shaw

matty

Tell me what you think guys:
Terlich out for pav (swing staker)

Or terlich out for either Hanley or Ibbotson
Also terlich is my d6 and staker is my f6
Cheers

Jeremy

Pav is going on a 3 week holiday mate

Gilly

Due to Pav being out for 3 weeks do the Terlich to Hanley/Ibbotson or can you hold for a week and get Stevie J?

matty

already got him mate. its the last trade I want to make so its got to be big! who do you think will be the highest scoring fwd or def. cash isn't an issue.
my team is down below.
cheers mate

matty

Ah the great jock himself. First post mate love ya show. forgot about the pave.

My forwards and defenders are
Goddard heppell Gibbs Shaw terlich McKenzie
Martin Kennedy buddy rocky Stevie j and staker.

Thoughts on the highest scouting fwddef for the remainder.
Also have Cox and nic nac

Thanks guys feels good to be part of the community!

Dee

Duffield back this week?!

Gilly

Am I nuts to be thinking about trading out Nic Nat for Andrew Walker?

He is only averaging about 75 over the last 3 rounds, the fact Lycett keeps getting named as emergency makes me think he is only just getting up each week.

I have 10 trades left so that's not an issue but just seems wrong to be thinking about trading him.

Gilly

Cheers Jock as always words of wisdom!

Richo

Have 3 trades left.
Got Hartlett in 3 weeks ago but realising i should of got hanley. with 3 trades left and a full premium team should i use a trade and swap hartlett for hanley before he becomes to expensive?/

Loza

Hey jock or community got 1 more trade to make in the back line then team all premiums thinking of getting malceski Hanley or iboston who do use think??

Loza

My team look like this. Backs Goddard heppell gibes shaw gipps sthompson (mid) gaz pendles Kennedy priddis hogdy swan selwood Mitch (rucks)maric cox(faw) buddy martine walker Kennedy sjonhson

Rick Grimes

Do you think Staker can maintain his 100+ scoring? I'm considering using him as my D6 (currently my bench forward). I'm thinking that with D the way it is this year, it's almost a case of better the devil you know. Thoughts?

Gilly

I agree with Jock, cant see him averaging 100 but should be able to bank on 80+ points each week especially with Brisbane's remaining games. Very useful bench cover/D6

Berto

I'm going against the grain and going to chuck in Shaw. Had Stevenson sitting about for some time, so traded him.

Rick Grimes

Bit late in the game to be working this out, but is this how the ruck loophole works:

Have Cox playing on Friday. Have Luenberger and Nicholls on Sunday. Currie is my non-starter.

I'm thinking I start Luenberger and Currie, with Cox as my sub. If Cox scores heavily, I do nothing, he'll sub in for Currie. If he has a quiet game tho, I switch Nicholls in for Currie and hope he goes better than Cox.

Does that sound right?

Kev

Nailed it rick

Bruce

Not on this week with North playing Fri night.

ShinbonerSpirit

^This.

Kev

Hey community, question about big Tom Nicholls. Would you start him as R2? I currently have Pyke/McEvoy and could downgrade one to free up a fair bit of cash for the run home

Balls

That's what I'm doing. Got Cox in the forward line and using him as backup with McBean.

ShinbonerSpirit

If you plan to do that, keep McEvoy for sure.

dustin

Rarely do we see a rookie maintain his form throughout the whole season. Nicholls form will drop off soon but the question is when. I wouldnt take the risk with nicholls as a locked R2

Gilly

Kev I am thinking of something similar, I have started Nicholls the last 3 weeks instead of Sam Jacobs (yeah still got him), my other rucks are Nic Nat and Witts also have Roughy is in fwd line.

Ideally i would trade Jacobs to Mcbean to give better coverage but very concerned with Nic Nats form.

Big call to put our faith in a rookie ruck heading into the finals, hope he doesn't turn into a Vlastuin/Terlich on us!

toonking

Kev, I've got NicNat and Coxy and I am going to trade one of them in and get Nicholls off the pine. My question is who do you bring in to downgrade?? Vardy possibly??? Not many cheap rucks around with job security….

toonking

Am I better off bringing in Currie or someone like that rather than Vardy so I can make use of the Ruck loophole??

Kev

I've got cox up forward at the moment, thinking of bringing in McBean which provides a safety net should my R1 or R2 sit out (currie is my R4). In your case I'd give nicnat the flick, he doesn't look right to me

Balls

Exactly what I've done last week, Nic Nat is not 100%. If Cox does not start to perform soon, I'll probably trade him for Roughead.

toonking

thanks folks…..I've already got the big Roughie as well in my forward line. Yep I reckon the McBean option is a good one

cam

mcbean hasn't played a game yet

James

who will recover 1st Watson or Dangerfield, have both, which one to keep for later,
any ideas?

Dee

Danger is only 2-3 weeks mate. Watson is 4 weeks could be 5 or 6!

Scott

this is just stupid. taylor last???? david king even suggested he should be tagged because of his intercept marks. pffffffffft

toonking

Sorry son the community has spoken…..

Kev

Surprised with that as well. Rivers return should see Taylor swing forward more often. Could be a handy POD

James

Averages

Ibbotson: 101.2
Hanley: 98.2
Taylor: 96.4

James

Trade in Ibbotson if you have the cash.
Trade in Hanley if you can't afford Ibbotson.

James

I reckon Hanley over ibbotson and hold the cash for another day

toonking

Any news on whether Daniher is going to play again…..he has been sitting on the bubble for far too long

dustin

So many tall stocks at essendon makes it difficult for joe to crack into the side, only way he would be called up is if bellchambers is dropped and he is more worthy of a call up then gumbleton

Jack

4 trades left.. Have one of either Goodes or Staker on the field each week. Should I burn one of these blokes for Hanley and keep the other as bench cover or just ride it out with one of the two each week?

Back line currently is Goddard, Shaw, Gibbs, Heppell, Ibbotson, Goodes, Staker and Webster.

Unfortunately don't have enough coin to trade a forward bench player for Hanley (via Staker DPP).

James

Keep Staker I beleive with his soft run home and him spend a fair bit of time up forward which seems to bring in the sc points. Also worth 50k less than goodes so will pocket extra cash if you trade out goodes. So my verdict would be Goodes to Hanley depending on trades. However I would wait another week as both goodes and Hanley have similar break evens (Goodes 37, Hanley 47). Goodes might pump up a good score and Hanley have a shit one and you'd be kicking yourself.

dustin

Dont upgrade either of them just yet, they both has low be so wait until they reach peak price then upgrade one of them to hanley

Selwood's Slayers

Hibberd anyone?

James

No

Tom

So i already have Hanley & Ibbotson in my backline,
IS IT INSANE to trade out maric for a random like McBean (for loophole) and make Nicholls R2, then I can upgrade Terlich to Malceski?

James

Not bad if you can afford to burn two trades and this time of year.

dustin

I downgraded Gawn to Mcbean for cash and a strategic dpp swap if need be. I wouldn't lock in Nicholls as a R2 because like most rookies, he will drop in form and wont maintain his form for the rest of the season. An example is Vlastuin, everyone was raving about him as a permanent D6 nek minut his been doing poorly and everyone was quick to change their mind.

Daniel

My DEF is currently
Goddard, Gibbs, Terlich, Ibbotson, Vlastuin, Staker, Clisby, Wilson
Thinking of getting rid of Vlastuin, I know I won't get much for him at the moment, but I can't handle another score below 50. Was wondering if I should bring in HANLEY and ROUGHEAD (HAW) or MALCESKI and HARVEY (NTH).
Any advice would be appreciated!
Also any word on when/if Daniher will play again?
Thanks guys πŸ™‚

James

Hanley 100% I'd get on him if my back line wasn't set

James

I doubt he will play again unless Hurley, Ryder, Carlise or Bellchambers gets injured. Even then it's not a definate, I've got him to and a bit frustrated as well

Daniel

Ok, thanks for the heads up and the advice!

dustin

Only way Joe will come back in if bombers decide to drop tommy bell which is not gonna happen because his in good form.

@Jacko2128

get OUT – Duffield or terlich?

get IN – dusty martin or n riewoldt? OR HOLD?

8 trades left.