Defense options poll

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3 burning Supercoach Dt questions.

Defenders have been very difficult this year. In fact they have been a real pain in the arse.

We have pretty clear core of locks with Goddard, Gibbs, Shaw and Heppell setting up shop in most of our backlines but the real trouble is with that next tier of prospects.

Birchall, Duffield, Dixon.. blokes like these have looked alright for periods during the year but have gone arse over during the season.

Many of us are weighing up the pro’s and con’s of a similar bunch of prospects this week so thought this would be a good one to put out to the community:

which of these defenders will score most SC points for the rest of the season?

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Jordan · 15/07/2013 at 13:52

I think Ibbotson will, but I think I want to look to get Hanley in..

Andrew · 15/07/2013 at 14:01

Why is Ellis left out of all these discussions. Apart from getting subbed off with concussion has been a consistent high scorer since about rd6.

    Kris · 15/07/2013 at 14:08

    77, 71, 38, 82 aren't great recent scores.

      Andrew · 15/07/2013 at 14:12

      38 was when he got subbed off concussed in the first qtr, scores prior to that were 134, 82, 103, 149 & 127. That's an average of 103 if you remove the sub affected score for his last 8 games. Maybe everyone assumes he is dropping back to 80 odd scores I was just curious he was never mentioned in these type of debates even when he was pumping out 100+ scores.

        Kris · 15/07/2013 at 14:16

        Those high scores were a while ago… Take out his sub score (which is still a score people had to deal with) and he has 77 point last 3 game average. Tigers have Freo, Swan, Hawks so he is also likely to be in a losing side for the next 3 games. Doesn't seem like a good option compared to the others listed.

          Smittzzy · 15/07/2013 at 14:48

          Kris is right Kid is very young. future star but not one of today.

    Sean · 16/07/2013 at 12:09

    typical Richmond supporter

Charlie · 15/07/2013 at 14:07

Terlich out hanley in is that a good trade?

    Jay · 15/07/2013 at 14:26

    Can't really go wrong with that trade…..Lions have Melbourne, Port, Saints, Richmond, Giants, Bulldogs and Cats as the remaining fixtures!!! Pretty soft draw could see Hanley averaging around 110+ for the rest of the season & at 434k pretty much a bargain!!

      Charlie · 15/07/2013 at 14:55

      Thanks šŸ™‚

        Dee · 15/07/2013 at 22:19

        Agreed…. Well said Jay!

Bazza · 15/07/2013 at 14:19

When’s duff back

    Bucks · 16/07/2013 at 16:04

    This week hopefully

Jay · 15/07/2013 at 14:23

Trading out Garland for Hanley this week…..

    Genco · 15/07/2013 at 14:52

    Why did you get Garland….

      Jay · 15/07/2013 at 15:26

      Make some cash….when he was on fire earlier & Hanley was getting tagged out of the game….made around 50-60k and now "downgrading" to Hanley as Garland's scores are dropping and Hanley's are rising….

        Jay · 15/07/2013 at 15:28

        Can't really complain too much – he gave me scores of 107,144,74,90,73! Better than some other premiums at the time!!

Sam · 15/07/2013 at 14:25

What about Bob Murphy? Averaging 96

    Jay · 15/07/2013 at 14:46

    Very high BE this week of 137….maybe worth waiting a week before bringing him in…worth 498k, so quite pricey!

Smittzzy · 15/07/2013 at 14:49

Hanley and Ibbotsan in this week to complete my full premium. 5 trades left what do you reckon community, keep or trade Hannebery?

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:24

    You would have to keep him

    Remy · 16/07/2013 at 07:21

    Smittzzy Hannebery is coming of a 122 SC score, why would you want to trade him…. Keep

Dockers101 · 15/07/2013 at 15:12

I have 5 trades left, is it too risky to trade out Terlich for Hanley?

    Jay · 15/07/2013 at 15:50

    5 trades are quite a few! Definitely worth trading out Terlich to Hanley……Terlich 424k BE: 117, Hanley 434k BE: 47…..this week the trade will cost you only 10k – next week it will cost you more…

      jas · 16/07/2013 at 14:10

      The trade is good but 5 is not quite a few.
      In most years a trade is required during the 4 rounds of finals to cover 'the general' & genuine injuries.
      3 rounds left before the finals even start.
      Are you at full premo?

Charlie · 15/07/2013 at 15:36

I dont know who to trade out. This is my team:
Goddard, Heppel, Hanley, Gibbs, Shaw, McKenzie, Ablett, Pendulbury, Selwood, Priddis, O'Meara, Ball, Mitchell, Crouch, Leuenberger (I want to keep him because of Brisbane having easy matches), Ryder, Bartel, Stokes, Rockliff, Mayne, Johnson, Harvey. I have $29,800.
BTW Im using DT

    Jay · 15/07/2013 at 15:55

    Not sure who is on your bench, but I would definitely get some more Premiums in the MID, should upgrade O'Meara, even Ball – having only Ablett, Pendles and Selwood as the premiums looks pretty thin…..I would definitely upgrade in the MIDs – I would be considering likes of Swan, Barlow, Fyfe, ROK

      Charlie · 15/07/2013 at 16:00

      I decided to trade out O'Meara. These are the options that I have: Swallow, Martin, Mitchell, Deledio, Cotchin and Josh P Kennedy. Who should I trade in?

        Chris · 15/07/2013 at 16:03


          ShinbonerSpirit · 16/07/2013 at 06:25

          JPK is terrible in DT. I'd prefer Cotchin/Martin.

            Charlie · 16/07/2013 at 10:27

            Ok just realised that he only has an average of about 92, am probably going to go for cotchin now

        Skintip · 15/07/2013 at 22:38

        Certainly NOT JPK. He is no good in DT. Porbably Swallow

        Jay · 16/07/2013 at 09:28

        For DT, from that list, I would go Cotchin – has a tendency to finish the year off very strong and only worth around 410k..

          Charlie · 16/07/2013 at 10:27


    James · 15/07/2013 at 19:24


matteus · 15/07/2013 at 15:38

got Shaw in this week! don't need to worry about these fellas

@Jacko2128 · 15/07/2013 at 16:37

getting terlich out for a forward (via staker swing), who is the best option for under 471k?

Or should i downgrade another player to get someone like roughhead?

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:23

    Martin, Rockliff, Bird

      Mungo Man · 16/07/2013 at 15:53

      definately get roughy in has been killing it form should hold all year?

Kieran · 15/07/2013 at 16:47

I already have Ibbotson in my team and he has been consistent ever since, with Freo's run home I would get him in if you don't already. Pearce Hanley would be my second choice.

Jack · 15/07/2013 at 17:15

G'day Jock and community. Just wondering your thoughts on who to get in for my last midfield position this week out Barlow and Mundy (50k cheaper)? Cheers

    Josh · 15/07/2013 at 18:32

    If you need the money for another trade then trade in Mundy but if not hen definitely go with Barlow

      Josh · 15/07/2013 at 18:33

      ^ *then*

        Jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:22

        Definitely? Mundy has been in great form, and scored more on the weekend. His run home last year was huge

          Josh · 15/07/2013 at 19:39

          True, then go with your gut feeling as they both are both in good form and should both finish off strongly

    Jay · 16/07/2013 at 09:29

    I dont think you could go wrong with either of the 2, I went with Mundy last week to replace Watson – purely based on 2 things……he finished last year very strong and he is around 50-60k cheaper than Barlow..

luke · 15/07/2013 at 17:57

Defense currently looks like this: Goddard, Gibbs, Shaw, Heppell, Hanley, Hartlett (Clisby, Frost). Should I be changing anything or is it fine? I know my bench isnt great, but one active emergency is all I need. I doubt any more than 1 of my D6 will get injured throughout the rest of the season.

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:20

    Same Defence as mine and I'm ranked 755! I have goodes and clisby on bench though, but you should be fine. Nothing needed to change

      luke · 15/07/2013 at 19:40

      Ok thanks Jack!

Sam · 15/07/2013 at 18:13

My defense looks like this:
Goddard, Gibbs, Heppell, Shaw, Hanley, Duffield (?) (Staker, Thurlow)

Anyone know when Duffield will return, I have good cover in Staker vs Melb so not to worry if he is out for another.

James · 15/07/2013 at 18:16

Minson or Goldstein for a pickup this week. Need help both same price and average who will pull it out??

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:19

    Personally I would go Goldstein. Even though he had a lowish score on the weekend he seems to smash out those big scores more often than minson, and I believe minson is tiring a bit and slowing down from his early season blitz. This is coming from a Minson owner.

Josh · 15/07/2013 at 18:31

Hi community, Should I trade out Dangerfield for Barlow or Watson for Selwood. I have T.Mitchell to cover whoever I chose to keep, if I trade out Dangerfield I will have a premium on the bench for longer but I will also get Barlow who is in great form (this will be more beneficial for the finals), But then if I trade out watson it wil benefit me short term as I will have a premium on the bench for only a couple weeks. Any help will be much appreciated.

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:20

    Tough. Can you do both?

      Josh · 15/07/2013 at 19:36

      No unfortunately, I got carried away with trades at the start of the season so I have to hang on the few I have left

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 20:31

    Tredrea said on Adelaide news that Danger is a big chance of playing this round. Reckons he's had the same injury and you can get by with a painie .. and more importantly, you can't do any more damage. Also reported that Danger has said he wants to play this weekend.

    Gilly · 16/07/2013 at 07:45

    I've got Danger and I'm thinking of going to Pendles,

    He might be able to play as he did friday night but instead of scoring 120 maybe he scores 80-90.

    You are in a tough spot, i'd lean towards Watson out.

James · 15/07/2013 at 19:10

Is it worth trading out Dixon for Hanley even if he doesn't play this week. Both have easy draws. I am very happy to cover with staker but what is the best long term solution for finals.

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:21

    Definitely worth it.

    ShinbonerSpirit · 15/07/2013 at 19:22

    If Dixon isn't named this week, you're probably going to have to cut your losses. He's a walking one-week injury. And when he gets back, he'll struggle to get more ruck time than Nicholls.

      James · 16/07/2013 at 20:31

      He does need more ruck time than him. He was second ruck man to smith and averaged on 9 hit outs a match. I don't think that will be big problem, more if his form will return after such a large break. Is he the sort of player who can still score well it's limited fitness? That's my main worry

James · 15/07/2013 at 19:23

I'm interested to see what people think dixon will average when he comes back from the dead. I want to keep him as a point of difference and with an easy run home he could go alright. Starting to loose my patience though.

    James · 15/07/2013 at 19:23

    I have staker as coverage so I have no rush

    ShinbonerSpirit · 15/07/2013 at 19:28

    He won't get too much ruck time if Nicholls keeps this up. That means he probably won't score what he did pre-injury.

      James · 15/07/2013 at 20:51


ShinbonerSpirit · 15/07/2013 at 19:24

You might all want to keep in mind that Hanley plays Melbourne. If he plays as the typical half back, he won't get much of the ball. Bartel was playing across half back and struggled to get to 80 (some late touches gave him a respectable score). It's midfielders and forwards that benefit from the pathetic Demons.

    jack · 15/07/2013 at 19:48

    true but did you see Hanley play melbourne last year? Absolutely tore them to bits running of the wing and kicking goals, from memory a ginormous score.

      ShinbonerSpirit · 15/07/2013 at 20:13

      I'm just wary with my trades, especially after Birchall and Watson.

    Jay · 16/07/2013 at 09:41

    His last 3 scores against Melbourne are 99 (2011), 104 and 124 (both 2012)…..I'd be happy with something in that vicinity this week!!

      ShinbonerSpirit · 16/07/2013 at 15:57

      This 2013 Melbourne side is the single most pathetic excuse for a professional footballing side I've ever seen, and I'm not exaggerating. The inside 50s differential in the Geelong/Melb game was MORE than 50! Melbourne got the ball into their 50 less than twenty times, and some of those were quick ventures that creeped over the line and came straight back. I'm staying clear, just in case Melbourne are just as bad as they were last week, and looking to maybe bring him in next week despite his price. Then again, Malceski monstered GWS…

Jim · 15/07/2013 at 19:50

should i trade terlich or hold onto him?

    ShinbonerSpirit · 15/07/2013 at 20:42

    As the boys mentioned in the podcast, get rid of him.

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:19

    Show him the door mate! Depends though on how many trades you have left, if you're in it for a league win and are low on trades I'd stick it out with Terlich for a while yet

      Jim · 16/07/2013 at 20:28

      i've got 11 trades left

Dylan · 15/07/2013 at 20:20

Defenders are:

Goddard, Heppell, Gibbs, Hanley, SD.Thompson, Terlich (Clisby, Thurlow

I Have 5 Trades left with 110,000. What do I do?

    Jack · 15/07/2013 at 20:34


    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:18

    Yep – get on Shaw mate

matty · 15/07/2013 at 21:53

Tell me what you think guys:
Terlich out for pav (swing staker)

Or terlich out for either Hanley or Ibbotson
Also terlich is my d6 and staker is my f6

    Jeremy · 15/07/2013 at 21:55

    Pav is going on a 3 week holiday mate

    Gilly · 16/07/2013 at 07:36

    Due to Pav being out for 3 weeks do the Terlich to Hanley/Ibbotson or can you hold for a week and get Stevie J?

      matty · 16/07/2013 at 16:44

      already got him mate. its the last trade I want to make so its got to be big! who do you think will be the highest scoring fwd or def. cash isn't an issue.
      my team is down below.
      cheers mate

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:18

    Yeah – Pav out mate – jump all over Hanley I reckon

      matty · 16/07/2013 at 16:36

      Ah the great jock himself. First post mate love ya show. forgot about the pave.

      My forwards and defenders are
      Goddard heppell Gibbs Shaw terlich McKenzie
      Martin Kennedy buddy rocky Stevie j and staker.

      Thoughts on the highest scouting fwddef for the remainder.
      Also have Cox and nic nac

      Thanks guys feels good to be part of the community!

Dee · 15/07/2013 at 22:21

Duffield back this week?!

Gilly · 16/07/2013 at 07:34

Am I nuts to be thinking about trading out Nic Nat for Andrew Walker?

He is only averaging about 75 over the last 3 rounds, the fact Lycett keeps getting named as emergency makes me think he is only just getting up each week.

I have 10 trades left so that's not an issue but just seems wrong to be thinking about trading him.

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:17

    Yeah see where you're coming from mate but I'd be remiss to leave out the Nic Nat. True there is a chance you may need to eat a late withdrawal at some stage but you need to back him in while he's in I reckon

      Gilly · 16/07/2013 at 22:00

      Cheers Jock as always words of wisdom!

Richo · 16/07/2013 at 08:19

Have 3 trades left.
Got Hartlett in 3 weeks ago but realising i should of got hanley. with 3 trades left and a full premium team should i use a trade and swap hartlett for hanley before he becomes to expensive?/

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:15

    Nah mate at this stage I'd go with Hartlett and keep the three trades in the kick. You'll be happy you did expecially as pre finals/late season resting of players kicks in later

Loza · 16/07/2013 at 08:59

Hey jock or community got 1 more trade to make in the back line then team all premiums thinking of getting malceski Hanley or iboston who do use think??

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:14

    The poll says it all old Loza – The community reckons Hanley and I agree šŸ˜‰

Loza · 16/07/2013 at 09:12

My team look like this. Backs Goddard heppell gibes shaw gipps sthompson (mid) gaz pendles Kennedy priddis hogdy swan selwood Mitch (rucks)maric cox(faw) buddy martine walker Kennedy sjonhson

Rick Grimes · 16/07/2013 at 11:54

Do you think Staker can maintain his 100+ scoring? I'm considering using him as my D6 (currently my bench forward). I'm thinking that with D the way it is this year, it's almost a case of better the devil you know. Thoughts?

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:14

    I'd be surprised if he averaged 100+ in the run home I'd expect more like 85ish Would say less than that but having a look at the Lions run home they have a very nice soft end to the season coming up.

    Gilly · 17/07/2013 at 07:10

    I agree with Jock, cant see him averaging 100 but should be able to bank on 80+ points each week especially with Brisbane's remaining games. Very useful bench cover/D6

Berto · 16/07/2013 at 12:09

I'm going against the grain and going to chuck in Shaw. Had Stevenson sitting about for some time, so traded him.

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:13

    No dramas at all with Shaw mate – he's one of those locks alongside Goddard, Gibbs and Heppell for mine.

Rick Grimes · 16/07/2013 at 12:11

Bit late in the game to be working this out, but is this how the ruck loophole works:

Have Cox playing on Friday. Have Luenberger and Nicholls on Sunday. Currie is my non-starter.

I'm thinking I start Luenberger and Currie, with Cox as my sub. If Cox scores heavily, I do nothing, he'll sub in for Currie. If he has a quiet game tho, I switch Nicholls in for Currie and hope he goes better than Cox.

Does that sound right?

    Kev · 16/07/2013 at 13:09

    Nailed it rick

    jockreynolds · 16/07/2013 at 13:12

    Spot on mate šŸ˜‰

    Bruce · 16/07/2013 at 13:39

    Not on this week with North playing Fri night.

      ShinbonerSpirit · 16/07/2013 at 15:45


Kev · 16/07/2013 at 13:12

Hey community, question about big Tom Nicholls. Would you start him as R2? I currently have Pyke/McEvoy and could downgrade one to free up a fair bit of cash for the run home

    Balls · 16/07/2013 at 15:37

    That's what I'm doing. Got Cox in the forward line and using him as backup with McBean.

    ShinbonerSpirit · 16/07/2013 at 16:34

    If you plan to do that, keep McEvoy for sure.

    dustin · 17/07/2013 at 01:29

    Rarely do we see a rookie maintain his form throughout the whole season. Nicholls form will drop off soon but the question is when. I wouldnt take the risk with nicholls as a locked R2

    Gilly · 17/07/2013 at 07:19

    Kev I am thinking of something similar, I have started Nicholls the last 3 weeks instead of Sam Jacobs (yeah still got him), my other rucks are Nic Nat and Witts also have Roughy is in fwd line.

    Ideally i would trade Jacobs to Mcbean to give better coverage but very concerned with Nic Nats form.

    Big call to put our faith in a rookie ruck heading into the finals, hope he doesn't turn into a Vlastuin/Terlich on us!

toonking · 16/07/2013 at 13:32

Kev, I've got NicNat and Coxy and I am going to trade one of them in and get Nicholls off the pine. My question is who do you bring in to downgrade?? Vardy possibly??? Not many cheap rucks around with job security….

    toonking · 16/07/2013 at 14:05

    Am I better off bringing in Currie or someone like that rather than Vardy so I can make use of the Ruck loophole??

    Kev · 16/07/2013 at 14:47

    I've got cox up forward at the moment, thinking of bringing in McBean which provides a safety net should my R1 or R2 sit out (currie is my R4). In your case I'd give nicnat the flick, he doesn't look right to me

      Balls · 16/07/2013 at 15:34

      Exactly what I've done last week, Nic Nat is not 100%. If Cox does not start to perform soon, I'll probably trade him for Roughead.

        toonking · 16/07/2013 at 15:41

        thanks folks…..I've already got the big Roughie as well in my forward line. Yep I reckon the McBean option is a good one

          cam · 16/07/2013 at 17:02

          mcbean hasn't played a game yet

James · 16/07/2013 at 14:10

who will recover 1st Watson or Dangerfield, have both, which one to keep for later,
any ideas?

    Dee · 16/07/2013 at 14:17

    Danger is only 2-3 weeks mate. Watson is 4 weeks could be 5 or 6!

Scott · 16/07/2013 at 14:13

this is just stupid. taylor last???? david king even suggested he should be tagged because of his intercept marks. pffffffffft

    toonking · 16/07/2013 at 14:19

    Sorry son the community has spoken…..

    Kev · 16/07/2013 at 14:44

    Surprised with that as well. Rivers return should see Taylor swing forward more often. Could be a handy POD

    James · 16/07/2013 at 15:26


    Ibbotson: 101.2
    Hanley: 98.2
    Taylor: 96.4

James · 16/07/2013 at 15:23

Trade in Ibbotson if you have the cash.
Trade in Hanley if you can't afford Ibbotson.

    James · 16/07/2013 at 20:35

    I reckon Hanley over ibbotson and hold the cash for another day

toonking · 16/07/2013 at 15:45

Any news on whether Daniher is going to play again…..he has been sitting on the bubble for far too long

    dustin · 17/07/2013 at 01:25

    So many tall stocks at essendon makes it difficult for joe to crack into the side, only way he would be called up is if bellchambers is dropped and he is more worthy of a call up then gumbleton

Jack · 16/07/2013 at 16:03

4 trades left.. Have one of either Goodes or Staker on the field each week. Should I burn one of these blokes for Hanley and keep the other as bench cover or just ride it out with one of the two each week?

Back line currently is Goddard, Shaw, Gibbs, Heppell, Ibbotson, Goodes, Staker and Webster.

Unfortunately don't have enough coin to trade a forward bench player for Hanley (via Staker DPP).

    James · 16/07/2013 at 20:44

    Keep Staker I beleive with his soft run home and him spend a fair bit of time up forward which seems to bring in the sc points. Also worth 50k less than goodes so will pocket extra cash if you trade out goodes. So my verdict would be Goodes to Hanley depending on trades. However I would wait another week as both goodes and Hanley have similar break evens (Goodes 37, Hanley 47). Goodes might pump up a good score and Hanley have a shit one and you'd be kicking yourself.

    dustin · 17/07/2013 at 01:23

    Dont upgrade either of them just yet, they both has low be so wait until they reach peak price then upgrade one of them to hanley

Selwood's Slayers · 16/07/2013 at 16:24

Hibberd anyone?

    James · 16/07/2013 at 20:44


Tom · 16/07/2013 at 17:15

So i already have Hanley & Ibbotson in my backline,
IS IT INSANE to trade out maric for a random like McBean (for loophole) and make Nicholls R2, then I can upgrade Terlich to Malceski?

    James · 16/07/2013 at 20:48

    Not bad if you can afford to burn two trades and this time of year.

    dustin · 17/07/2013 at 01:18

    I downgraded Gawn to Mcbean for cash and a strategic dpp swap if need be. I wouldn't lock in Nicholls as a R2 because like most rookies, he will drop in form and wont maintain his form for the rest of the season. An example is Vlastuin, everyone was raving about him as a permanent D6 nek minut his been doing poorly and everyone was quick to change their mind.

Daniel · 16/07/2013 at 20:27

My DEF is currently
Goddard, Gibbs, Terlich, Ibbotson, Vlastuin, Staker, Clisby, Wilson
Thinking of getting rid of Vlastuin, I know I won't get much for him at the moment, but I can't handle another score below 50. Was wondering if I should bring in HANLEY and ROUGHEAD (HAW) or MALCESKI and HARVEY (NTH).
Any advice would be appreciated!
Also any word on when/if Daniher will play again?
Thanks guys šŸ™‚

    James · 16/07/2013 at 20:45

    Hanley 100% I'd get on him if my back line wasn't set

      James · 16/07/2013 at 20:47

      I doubt he will play again unless Hurley, Ryder, Carlise or Bellchambers gets injured. Even then it's not a definate, I've got him to and a bit frustrated as well

        Daniel · 16/07/2013 at 23:32

        Ok, thanks for the heads up and the advice!

    dustin · 17/07/2013 at 01:21

    Only way Joe will come back in if bombers decide to drop tommy bell which is not gonna happen because his in good form.

@Jacko2128 · 17/07/2013 at 19:15

get OUT – Duffield or terlich?

get IN – dusty martin or n riewoldt? OR HOLD?

8 trades left.

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