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FLESH FOR FANTASY – ROUND 3

Published by Jock on

Hello Again Community!

Hope you all had a good fantasy weekend. Round 2 gave us a good chance to have a look at how and if players were able to back up their round 1 performances. We also saw the return of probably the most important fantasy ruckman this year in Matthew Leuenberger. He looked very solid and scored 101.

However, now that we’re 2 weeks into the competition, we are at the mercy of the footy gods. The first lot of price changes occur at the end of this round, and no longer is it as simple as holding an underperforming player until he hits his straps. Our trading must have substance and logic to it.

 This week’s “Flesh for Fantasy” will discuss this very issue. How you trade in the next couple of weeks can either set your season up for success, or failure. It’ll be the difference between a performing team with a wealthy war chest, or a flop with no money available to upgrade.

 “GET HIM IN”

 MATTHEW KREUZER (CARL) RUCK – $403,700 DT/$494,100 SC

– Next 5 Games: GEE (A), WCE (A), ADEL (H), MELB (H), STK (A)

– Recent Scores: 113, 109

After burning many coaches last year, “Special K”, as his supporters dub him, has come out and turned it on this season. Tonned up in both games, but more importantly, has looked really good. He is moving well for a big man, and almost looks plays as a tall midfielder.  He’s way too good to be playing out of the goal-square, and clearly is Carlton’s number 1 ruckman. Expecting him to almost hit elite status for ruckman, and should be considered if you’ve got an under-performing R1.

PEARCE HANLEY (BRIS) DEF – $425,300 DT/$485,200 SC

– Next 5 Games: GC (A), NM (A), MELB (H), SYD (A), WCE (H)

– Recent Scores: 83, 160

This chap has the “Matthew Pavlich Syndrome”. Because he isn’t playing in Melbourne, he doesn’t get rated as highly as he should. Pearce is a dead set gun. He was sensational against Adelaide – collecting 30 touches, 6 marks, 5 tackles and 160 SuperCoach points. He’s been there about for a while now, and it looks as if Hanley is ready to explode this year. While I still think you should back your defensive premiums in, there would be no harm done by getting Pearce in. He’s owned by just 7% of the SuperCoach community, so he could become a nice POD (point of difference) should you get him in.

TOM LIBERATORE (WBD) MID – $401,300 DT/$444,400 SC

– Next 5 Games: RICH (A), ADEL (A), GEE (H), WCE (A), NM (H)

– Recent Scores: 130, 133

 I mentioned this son of a gun in one of my pre-season articles as a potential POD player. I thought his output would increase, but not at this rate. 2 consecutive 130+ games in crazy scoring. Libba jr also leads the competition for clearances too with 23. I think Tom has a Matthew Boyd’s injury to thank for this start to season, but he couldn’t do it without putting in the effort so it’s clear Tom is finally showing the potential we all know he has. Libba has a tough run coming up, and Boyd is due to return in next couple of weeks. But, don’t let that scare you. Be confident in trading him in, Libba is a gun and there are many more high scores to come.

JIMMY BARTEL (GEE) FWD/MID – $492,700 DT/$527,400 SC

– Next 5 Games: CARL (H), SYD (A), WBD (A), RICH (A), ESS (A)

– Recent Scores: 88, 157

It’s been a handy start to the season for Jimmy Bartel, and it’s the manner in which he’s done it that has been most interesting. Of the 245 points he has scored, 133 of those have come from the 4th quarter. Especially in the game of SuperCoach, it’s clear Jimmy’s influence on games has been massive. Geelong has an indifferent run coming up, but isn’t playing the competition elite. Jimmy’s impressive start could continue, and is a nice sideways trade for anyone who has a struggled mid/fwd premium.

“GET HIM OUT”

MITCH ROBINSON (CARL) MID/FWD – $478,600 DT/$474,700 SC

– Next 5 Games: GEE (A), WCE (A), ADEL (H), MELB (H), STK (A)

– Recent Scores: 20, 75

It’s been a disappointing start to the season for Mitch. A concussion against the Tigers, and a so-so effort against Collingwood have seen Mitch on the chopping block with many coaches, and with good reason too. Just doesn’t seem to be having the impact he was early last season. Mitch’s role has changed now that Betts is out – seems to be playing predominately as a defensive forward. While he is still apart of the midfield rotation, he’ll spend less time there at least until Betts is back. Given the amount of money he will lose in the coming weeks, I’d get off Mitch this week.

HARLEY BENNELL (GCS) MID – $438,200 DT/$521,900 SC

– Next 5 Games: BRIS (H), PORT (H), GWS (A), FRE (H), MELB (A)

– Recent Scores:  73, 53

I was excited by the prospects of Bennell throughout the pre-season. He looked very good, and I was under assumption he’d thrive having Gaz dishing the ball to his outside run. I was wrong. Very wrong. Opposition coaches have also seen this and are tagging him out of the game. 18 touches v St Kilda and 14 v Sydney just isn’t the standard we’re looking for given his price. He does have an easy draw coming up, granted. However, there’s a BE of 179 looming above his head, and he looks no-where near getting that. I believe it’s best to dump him for a Fyfe-type player before he rockets down in price and you’re unable to turn him into anyone significant.

PATRICK KARNEZIS (BRIS) FWD – $238,500 DT/$262,200 SC

– Next 5 Games: GC (A), NM (A), MELB (H), SYD (A), WCE (H)

– Recent Scores: 60, 8

What a disappointment this man has been. On the back of a very solid finish to last season, and a fantastic pre-season, I thought he was ready for the big time. Vossy had him running through the midfield and almost hogging the footy. Fast forward from the NAB Cup GF, and he’s coming off a game as the sub. Even in the full game he played round 1, he collected 19 touches, yet only managed 60 SuperCoach points. Clearly Voss believes he can’t impact full games, so he’s now running as sub. Big worry, and despite Beams’ season-ending knee injury, I’d still get Karnezis out. Karnezis to Dwyer, or to Kennedy are probably the best options for mine.

ANY PLAYER FROM THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB

– Next 5 Games: WCE (H), GWS (H), BRIS (A), CARL (A), GC (H)

Arguably the biggest story of the season to date has been the deplorable performance of the Dees. Smashed by 79 and 148 points in their first 2 games, they boast a percentage of just 28.39. So why is the disappointing performance of the team relevant for fantasy football? I’ll tell you why. SuperCoash uses Champion Data rankings as their preferred scoring system, which applies a cap of 3300. They do this so that they are able to compare individual performances throughout history. In the case of Melbourne, anyone who plays them this season, based on what we’ve seen so far, will hog a fair percentage of this 3300. On Saturday night, Essendon had 2,011 of the possible 3300. This means that the Dees had just 1,289 points to spread amongst 22 players. If you look at Saturday night, Melbourne had 2 players score above 100 (Howe 116 and Frawley 117). After that, there were 3 scores above 70. That’s not good, and with West Coast to come this week, I expect similar fantasy pain for the Dees. Get any Melbourne player you have out of side. Simple.

“BREAKING POINT”

For the first time this season, welcome to “Breaking Point”. This will provide you with the necessary break evens you need to consider going into this week of trading. Break evens are probably one of, if not, the most important number you’ll come across this season. Being aware of when a player is ready to pop is vital in all trade decision-making. Without further ado, I present the first lot at “breaking point” for season 2013.

Going up

– Sam Dwyer (COLL), -103 BE

– Jack Viney (MELB), – 102 BE

– Josh J Kennedy (WCE), -37 BE

– Campbell Heath (PORT), -87 BE

– Lewis Stevenson (PORT), – 91 BE

– Brett Goodes (WBD), -136 BE

– Jaeger O’Maera (COLL), -124 BE

– Jake Neade (PORT), -75 BE

– Brent Macaffer (COLL), – 29 BE

– Bryce Gibbs (CARL), 62 BE

– Tom Liberatore (WBD), -4 BE

– Brent Moloney (BRIS), 17 BE

– Michael Barlow (FRE), 56 BE

– Jimmy Bartel (GEE), 63 BE

– Nathan Fyfe (FRE), 68 BE

Going down

– Matthew Pavlich (FRE), 191 BE

– Patrick Ryder (ESS), 187 BE

– Lance Franklin (HAW), 183 BE

– Dayne Zorko (BRIS), 169 BE

– Mitch Robinson (CARL, 182 BE

– Jarryd Roughead (HAW), 177 BE

– Patrick Dangerfield (ADEL), 201 BE

– Harley Bennell (GCS), 179 BE

– Luke Shuey (WCE), 165 BE

– Daniel Rich (BRIS), 146 BE

– Patrick Karnezis (BRIS), 85 BE

– Jack Watts (MELB), 168 BE

“PUB TALK”

Finally, I give you this week’s edition of Pub Talk. Again, I want to thank the many questions I’ve received throughout the week. Here is the top bunch for the week heading into round 3.

– @tommywarhust: I need a replacement for rich either a downgrade or sideways trade. has shown he can’t break a tag, please help!

ANSWER: Well Tommy, you’ve come to the right place for help. I rated Rich very highly throughout the pre-season, and so did 17 other teams apparently because he is now on the receiving end of tagging jobs. Lower towelled him up something shocking in round 1, and against the Crows he managed just the 77. So you need to trade him out. Who for? Brent Moloney is a great option. Won’t average huge scores, but will be consistent. Another possible option is Tom Liberatore, who has been massive so far this year –leading competition for clearances. Be wary with him, Matthew Boyd’s pending return may see a drop in these numbers.

– @carldikschei: Trade Rough, Ryder or Karnezis? Only trade Karnezis if he’s sub? Got 250k in the bank with 1 trade to go. ??

ANSWER: For me Karnezis goes if named sub. I was one that was seriously sucked in by his pre-season and that awful “P” word – potential. He’s given us nothing so far, and clearly Vossy no longer rates him as a 21 player too. His BE is 85, and if he is named sub, there will be a huge drop in price to point it’ll be hard to make money from him. If you can possibly downgrade Karenzis to say a Dwyer, do it because you’ll build up that warchest even more.

– @mattyboyyyy69: keep zorko? Trade him for a rookie, mid-pricer or another premium?

ANSWER: Interesting question. Zorko has been down on his output, after a stellar year last season. He is a premium, and for mine, you got to back them in to come good. Not sure the 2nd year blues apply to mature-aged recruits, and this kid is a star. Back him in for a few more weeks, Brisbane’s run gets easier with GCS and Melbourne to play in the next 3 weeks. If he doesn’t pick up by then, get him out.

– @Khaphonso: What do we do with Orange Roughy Mr Crimmins??

ANSWER: What we do with “Orange Roughy” young Khaphonso, is we hold onto him. SuperCoach Gold are predicting a drop of about $42k, but he showed some good signs on the weekend – 16 touches, 4 marks, 2 goals, 89 SC. It would be rough (pun alert) to ditch him on the back of an 89. His price is such that you’re able to take a few price hits, and still turn him into a solid scoring premium. Keep for a few more weeks, and if Sunday was a flash in the pan, then consider your options.

– @jbarresi1: do we have enough time to invest in Dwyer?

 ANSWER: Great question this one, because there’s more it than just a simple yes. Based on a solid run as sub v NM and a near BOG v Carlton, you’d suggest his spot is as safe as a church. However, it doesn’t seem that easy. Firstly, Buckley was quoted this week as saying that Sam Dwyer could “undeservingly” end up back on rookie list when Tim Broomhead recovers from a case of Glandular Fever. This case occurred a few years ago when Joe Misti’s return to Essendon saw Damien Peverill return to rookie list after a Dwyer-like impact. That said, Broomhead is still a bit off so Dwyer is safe on primary list…for now. Another issue is the pending return of few Collingwood stars. Ball, Beams, Fasolo, Krakouer, Young, Thomas and Didak are all due to make their way back into side at some point. Players will have to make way, and this raises serious question marks on the job security of Sam Dwyer. However, the spots of Seedsman, Macaffer, and Clarke are shakier than Sam’s at the moment, so unless all 7 come back at the one time, he should be safe for a while. In all, right now it’s a case of “if”, not “when”. Sam will generate a lot of cash and scores over next month or so. But keen an eye on the situation, because a time will arise when he’s ready to be cashed in – even if it’s prematurely.

 Good luck for round 3 community, and I hope you all benefit from the upcoming price changes.

 Mr Crimmins

@Mr_Crimmins


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Mr_Consistent

Great article Mr Crimmins…. Big read… Just what I love!

After reading your breaking point section I was very happy to discover I had all but 3 of the going up players!

@Mr_Crimmins

Thanks for the kid works Mr Consistent. Hopefully those breakevens were hopeful, I know some people struggle for access to such information. Just helping out the community I love most.

ben

Guys should I trade karnezis to Dwyer and koby Stevens to moloney… Or duffield to pittard, karnezis to rockcliff plus 200,000 in the bank

taggath

Any cash that's not on the park is wasted, particularly this week. Karnezis to Dwyer is good, but find a way to get the rest of your coin into someone who's going to improve in value this week.

The Old Dylan

Disagree taggath. Cash in the bank = premium upgardes later in the season. Of course, there's no point naming a team with no premiums as you won't score, but you need some cash to upgrade around midseason

taggath

Yep, you're right, that's a completely valid strategy. Where possible, as an alternative strategy, I would prefer to be upgrading to premiums by cashing in two rookies that have increased in value for a premium and a new rookie that will soon increase in value.

That's dependent on there being rookie options available during the season, of course, which may not always be the case, but it's a strategy worth considering, particularly in the first half of the season, when there are more rookie priced players available.

Shaneoo88

If you can save cash without losing production, then that type of move becomes valid. People overvalue how first few rounds in the league, early on it is all about putting yourself in the best position to improve the team.

don

I think Karnezis will improve, but dwyer is going to be a good cash cow. Stevens had hammy tightness in round 1 and then was the sub. He looked good when he came on so I would stick with him.

@Popey_99

Does 'every Melbourne player' mean Viney, Jones and Terlich? Cause if it does, you've made a big boo-boo Mr.Crimmins. They are good cash cows with excellent JS those lot.

Greg

I agree, a ridiculous thing to say.

In addition to the three you mentioned, would you be trading out Grimes and Howe if you have them? Both scoring above their averages and so having low BEs (Grimes avg 101 BE 75, and Howe avg 105.5 BE 37), despite as Mr.Crimmins points out Melbourne getting a very low percentage of points.

But Jock and Higgo both said the same thing on the podcast so I presume they'll all be trading out Viney this week as their first priority.

Mac

I don't think it applies to rookies mate.

@Mr_Crimmins

Probably wasn't clear enough there my son. Of course you're going to keep players that will make money. My point is that if you look at the scores of entire team, opposition scores take a very big chuck of the 3300 distributed amongt the 2 teams. So you'd be silly to have Melbourne premiums and mid-priced players, because they're just not going to get a good piece of the 3300. Hope that clears it up.

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@Mr_Crimmins

No worries mate. Welcome to the community.

Zimmer

I've got two options as I see it:

Option 1: Roughead > J.J. Kennedy; and Bennell > Watson or Mitchell

Option 2: Karnezis to > J.J. Kennedy; and Bennell > Libba or Howlett (I'd rather Fyfe here, but 3 grand off his price with this trade.)

Have got Ryder and Zorko as well.

Any feedback welcome.

CHRIS

KARNEZIS TO KENNEDY
BENNELL TO DWYER
PICK UP WATSON AND/OR MITCHELL NEXT WEEK

Zimmer

Already got Dwyer. Got pretty much all the rookie locks except Wines.

Jag

is dwyer in your forward line or midfield?

Zimmer

Forward line.

CHRIS

THEN BENNELL TO WINES

Tom

Guys what's your thought's on Koby stevens
Keep or not??????

@PeterHiggo

I am keeping Koby. He was very good when subbed on last week. I expect him to play a full game this week and score well against Richmond. He will appreciate nicely and ripen a little later than others …. This is a good thing. However, if unsure, keep a trade and pull the trigger just prior to the game if he is named sub.

bob

current mid: Ablett, Kennedy, Danger, watson, mundy, viney, crouch, jager, wines and toumpas. need to trade toumpas, thinking of fyfe, barlow, maloney or libba, thoughts?
got 450k available (after karnezis to dwyer trade) but want around 100-200k available after this week

@Mr_Crimmins

I'd get Fyfe in personally – this will probably be the cheapest he is all year. Execute.

team changa

is bennel to liba or jobe best option? the jobe trade still leaves me 409k

Josh C

I'd definitely trade up (Premium up to you) if you have that much cash

@Mr_Crimmins

Bennell to Jobe for mine.

Jag

Hey Jock, love reading your articles, really deserve the title 'father of fantasy football'
seeking wisdom.. got a problem or two…
want to get bennell out, would downgrading from bennell to brad crouch, putting an extra 430k in the bank, or should i go slightly sideways and trade bennell for a player such as mitchell or swallow?
and also with ryder… got versatility as i've got roughead too, not seeing improvement in the near future for ryder.. should i move him to the forward line, trade him out and go sideways and get a paul chapman or jimmy bartel? or trade him from the ruck and get a leuenberger for 240k cash generation, or go slightly sideways and trade in will minson, or todd goldstein or ben mcevoy?

dan

this article is not written by jock reynolds

Tim

Which put of these trade option should I do?

1. In: Viney, Dwyer Out: Mitchell, Karnezis

2. In: Viney, Heath Out: Mitchell, Vlastuin

3. In: Viney, Fyfe Out: Mitchell, Bennell

Please help community

Jag

depends what your motive is…
are you looking for instant scores or downgrading for cash generation?
for instant scores – go with option 3
for cash generation – go with option 1

Greg

Don't trade in Viney, Mr Crimmins suggests you should be trading him out if you have him!

Tim

His breakevens is -102 he is going up price u have to have him

@Mr_Crimmins

Tim's right. My point with Melbourne was that they're not going to score well this year, so don't bring any Melbourne players in. Viney will make cash, but won't score well.

@Mr_Crimmins

Number 1 for me, get Karenzis out.

Andrew

I'm pleased to say I have 10 of the players who are going up in price this week and only Zorks and Dangermouse who are going down. My real questions is Do you think it's too courageous to put Cox as Captain this week? I have Ablett and he is playing Brisbane, but the big man Cox is playing Melbourne. Which way do I go?

SCaddict

Try and use the captain's loophole if you can and put the V on Big Cox and leave the C on GAJ.

Of course it requires you having a player who isn't playing this weekend for a team that plays AFTER the Eagles Dees game for that to work.

Andrew

Yep, that works for me! Got Dochery sitting on the bench. Thanks!

Josh C

this article is gold, just a question though, already used a trade to get Watts OUT, but for the last trade is it worth getting rid of zorko/roughead/dangerfield before their price drop (if so which one) or bring grant Birchell in the backline???

EPR

Of those three I'd give Roughy the boot for sure. Zorko and dangerfield will recover over the course of the season.

I'd make birchall an upgrade target, i cant see him going up in value that much.

James

Great article Mr Crimmins,

A few questions, If Vlastuin is not named this week should I trade him for Campbell Heath? I already have Stevenson and Pittard so would three Port players be to much?

Should I keep Lecras as he seems to be returning this week vs Melbourne? Or should I trade for J Kennedy?

Trade Koby Stevens for Wines? Personally I think I should hold Koby but would love your thoughts.

Cheers

Jager-Bomb

Ollie Wines – too late to get on board?

Thinking of downgrading Rich to Wines and bank the cash ($310k)

SCaddict

No definitely not too late to get on him. That would be a smart trade I reckon.

Big Will

Here are the players that I would consider trading out this week: Newman, Roughie, Watts, Karnezis, Zorko.

Which 2 should I get rid of?

Ben

i would say watts definitely on the chopping block, if you don't have sam dwyer, would be a good downgrade to bank the cash

SCaddict

Yes Watts should be your first priority. I'd hold off on the other trade though until the Brisbane team is finalised and their sub is announced. If it's Karny again then you should definitely dump him too but if he's not the sub I'd actually trade out Roughy.

Pales

Thoughts on Shuey and Ward? Will be dropping in value. I was thinking of bringing in Liberatore and Kane Cornes – will make me money over the next month. Any objections or better options i'm missing? Cheers!!

Big Will

hmmmmm… Should i go:

Watts/Karnezis –> JJKennedy/Walters (or any other 400k forward)

OR

Watts/Newman –> JJKennedy/Birchall (or Hanley or any defender)

theazzyg

Karnezis to JJK. and then M murphy to:

Mullet 291k left or
luke parker around 200k left or
libba 130 k left?

Thoughts?

@Mr_Crimmins

Libba for me.

dean

getting rid of watts but not sure who to i have most rookies thinking either dixon or heath then trading either varco or vickery to kennedy any thoughts?

@Mr_Crimmins

Well, I'd definitely turn Vickery to Kennedy. As for who to trade out for Watts, have you considered maybe Pearce Hanley? Could be a decent option.

Jono_Rams

Still need Ollie Wines-is it to late to get him?

T. Mitchell out – Wines in

I have got Buddy and Shuey and im thinking of getting rid of them but im not sure whether to keep them for a little longer and see how they go?

These are some options
Buddy out – Bartel in
Shuey out – Liberatore or Bartel in

Keep Goldstein or swap him for Kreuzer?

Is Enright worth having or should i swap him for Hanley?

Also is Brent staker gonna play? and when?

Joshau

why would you want to trade Goldstein for Kreuzer? crazy.

Jager-Bomb

Keep Goldy.

Kreuzer will have a smashing year, but not worth the sideways trade.

But I am in the same problem with you re: Wines – is it too late to get him? (i.e. should I go Rich to Wines and bank the cash OR Rich to Liberatore and hope his score don't drop too much when Boyd comes back in)

Jono_Rams

Alright Goldys staying haha

i think rich to libby and do you have any other mids for wines?

Jager-Bomb

Nah. Pretty happy with MIDs except for Rich.

Also my second trade will be Karny to Monfries or JJK so won't be able to do Libba and Wines.

@Mr_Crimmins

Haven't missed boat on Wines at all. Get him in this week before he goes up in price.
Keep Shuey, will score very week v Melbourne this week. Hopefully it'll kick stat his season.
Swap in Hanley for Enright, good trade that one.
Staker still a bit off – potential trade-in option down the line though.

Nick

Should I get Kruezer or luenberger in??

SCaddict

I'd prefer Leuey myself. Whilst Kreuuu has scored well so far I'd still have concerns of him playing more forward especially with none of the other Blues talls firing.

@Mr_Crimmins

Leuenbeger solely for his price, but Krezuer will score greater IMO

dave2008

As I have a load of the must have rookes I am thinking this week Roughy/Zorko out and Berger/J Kennedy (WC) in and hold Karnezis. Gives me over 500 k in the bank and I think the two players I will bring in should equal those I move out.

Thoughts?

team changa

yeah deff luey is better option. would you consider roughie trade down to kennedy? im also trading out bennel for watson. if i make these trades ill have 518k. just not sure about getting big orange the flick

dave2008

I could do Roughie to Kennedy but then keep Zorko?

dan

roughie to rockliffe?
keep zorko youll hate yourself when he rips out a big one against the suns this week

Dave2008

I have Rockcliff so Roughie/Karnezis to Kennedy/Berger and 250 k?

Jag

really need to get benell out.. any good ideas who for? take a MASSIVE risk and play 4 rookies on the park by trading bennell for crouch? and then bank the $430k
or
trade ryder out, and get leuenberger in, then use some of that cash to upgrade bennell to mitchell or swallow?
thoughts?

Jag

would be playing crouch, viney, wines and i'meara on the field, all capable of scoring 100's, but just not sure on consistency

Mr_Consistent

Bennell to crouch

Tom

Is it worth keeping LeCras? He may play this week but will most likely have the vest, but then next week he'll most likely be back in the full team?

@Mr_Crimmins

Yes keep him. Apparently has been marking since last week, doctor's have given the all clear, and way too good to be given the vest. West Coast won't take Melbourne lightly considering their current position.

Tom

My Forward line right now is:

Cox, Rockliff, Zorko, LeCras, Varcoe, Karnezis, Macaffer, Neade

NEED to get Kenendy and Dwyer in.
Which two should go?

Mr_Consistent

Zorko for Kennedy, Lecras for Dwyer, then wait until Macaffer rises enough trade him out for a performing premium.

Gillie

Instead of Zorko get rid of Varcoe for Kennedy. Varcoe seems to be playing well but not scoring heaps. Zorko has Gold Coast then Melbourne!

Gillie

If Karnezis gets sub again then trade him instead!

@Mr_Crimmins

Karenzis MUST go – dump him for Dwyer. Then trade Macaffer up to Kennedy

Davo

Anyone else backing Watts to come back this week? Im putting the big C on him

Benny..

Good luck with that pal..

Mr_Consistent

I'm sure he's just stirring Benny……. I hope……

Cam

I've made my first trade; Karnezis –> Dwyer

Now have $169,800.
I'm thinking trading out Rich.
Already have Pendles, Ablett, Cotchin, Fyfe, Dangerfield, and rookies in Omeara, Viney, Crouch and Mitchell.
Should I trade for another premium or go down and cash in on Wines?

Other than that I have Roughead and Dangerfield who I looked at trading but are under performing, but I think I can hold onto these guys. I got them in to be my premiums all season.

Mr_Consistent

CASH IN ON WINES!!

@Mr_Crimmins

Wines for me too, build that war chest!

Deanbartel

Crim mate, love your articles. Always the best reads

Thanks mate!

@Mr_Crimmins

Thank you for the warm words, glad you enjoy the article.

Dave2008

Thumbs up Roughie/Karnezis to Berger/Kennedy
Thumbs down keep the two trades

Dave2008

Thinking Roughie/Karnezis to Berger/Kennedy or keep the two trades?

@Mr_Crimmins

Do it for mine, got to get Karnezis out and if that means trading for cash, go ahead.

team changa

would you consider roughie trade down to kennedy? im also trading out bennel for watson. if i make these trades ill have 518k. just not sure about getting big orange the flick

McWhale

Bennel to Watson for sure, but who knows what Roughie has in him next week?

Liam

Not sure if I should trade out Bennell or Karnezis for my 2nd trade (first trade is Watts to Pittard)

@Mr_Crimmins

Karnezis for me, priority is to get guys out that won't score for you.

James

How does Vlastuin to Campbell Heath sound? Even If I have both Stevenson and Pittard.

And Kane Mitchell to Ollie Wines?

Cheers

@Mr_Crimmins

Both good trades for me. Mitchell's spot still questionable as sub, whereas Wines is a locked in 21 player. Still have no idea where Vlastuin is, and even if he does play this week, he'll most like be given the green vest.

James

Thanks Crimmo

Jacob

Should trade out WATTS for PITTARD or HANLEY?
and should I trade out BENNELL for PARKER, LIBBA or BARTEL?

PLEASE help! Your thoughts would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

DT_Legend

Hey Jacob,
I think that Hanley and Liberatore is your best bet. They will both give you some good cash and they should perform well.

@Mr_Crimmins

Agreed with DT Legend here – get rid of Watts for Hanley, then Bennell for Libba.

James

hi
this is my forward line
Cox, Zorko, Robinson, Varcoe, Karnesis, Neade (mcaffer, Dwyer)
i was planning to get rid of karnesis and Robinson and that article has helped cement that but unsure who to get was thinking Bartel or Rockcliff which would leave me with 250 000 which i then dont know who to spend on.
Any ideas would be much appreciated

footyinme

299k Kennedy from west coast is a must, will bag 5 goals and score 100+ again not to mention he's sitting on a hefty price increase.

DT_Legend

Hi James,
You are definitely right to trade out Robbinson and Karnezis if the rest of your team is looking good and it's only your forward line that needs fixing.
However, it's a tough call between Rockcliff and Bartel. If you can't afford them both I would flip a coin. 50/50 decision for me.

Ryan

Keep Zorko or trade to Chappy??? Doing my head in! Zorko has been under performing and you know what you get from Chappy. I realise Zorko has Melb and Suns in two of the next three but im all about in the long run. Who will finish on top between the two from now on, Zorko or Chaps?

footyinme

If Zorko is your only problem mate then don't trade him. If your missing any of the essential rookies make that trade now!!!

Joshau

Zorko will probably finish on top because he'll play every game, while Chappy will always miss a few mid-late year with his groin problems. I think this is the classic sideways trade which is completely unnecessary at this point. Surely that trade could be used better elsewhere?

@Mr_Crimmins

Keep Zorko. Easy run coming up, but if he doesn't fire after that – get rid for mine.

Rocksta

Agree with Josh. No need for Sideways trades. You need to back your initial judgement and save your trades, unless they generate cash or upgrade to premiums

jel

I've got Ryder, Watts, Karnezis & Zorko in the bye bye list.

Thinking Watts for Dixon and Ryder for JJK as those 2 have potentially the biggest price drop.

Any thoughts?

@Mr_Crimmins

I would personally get rid of Watts and Karenzis. Get the guys out who aren't going to score you anything this week. Trade down Karenzis, then use the cash to get a super premium backline for Watts

jel

Yep, agree 100%, just checked the teams and Karny and Watts both not playing this week.
Looks like Ryder gets a reprieve.

Decisions……
Dwyer or JJK for Karny? I'm leaning to JJK atm,

supercoachrookie

Which to players should i trade out. Karnezis, Ryder, Walker and Bennel.
Thanks

DT_Legend

I'd chop Bennell and either Walker or Ryder. I'm leaning towards removing Walker though. Definitely get rid of Bennell.

@Mr_Crimmins

Karnezis must go after tonight's selection.

Joshau

Wouldn't worry about Karnezis, he's not going to lose any value and you can re-evaluate next week. The other 3 will drop significantly…I'd ditch Bennel definitely and as for Walker or Ryder…either or. Depends on your other rucks/fwds.

yelad

I needa trade out Karnezis ,i have $460k to play with and I already have Rockliff, Kennedy, Neade, Varcoe, Dwyer and Macaffer. Any ideas?

Ben

Hi guys. Thinking of trading Zorko and Shuey for Sam Mitchell and Dustin Martin. Seems a sideways trade. But gonna lose too much money on them both. Other option is Zorko to Monfries, but i don't back him to score constant 80s like Martin.

Thoughts?

Luke

I downgraded Taylor Walker to Josh Kennedy, is that a smart move? With the left over cash, I am thinking of upgrading Vlastuin to Liberatore or somebody else. Are there any other midfields I could upgrade to other than Liberatore, or should I just get in Wines or another rookie whose price will rise instead of spending the cash. Or, should I ignore my midfield and use my second trade on my defence by getting rid of Hartlett and getting in Hanley. I do have faith in Hartlett though so I do think Ill stick with him. What do you guys think? Please give me suggestions.

Liam

definitely a smart move. Walker will keep getting teamed up on and Kennedy is in good form with Melbourne this week and a price rise to come. i think your right to stick with Hartlett and concentrate on making money with Vlastuin. maybe another rookie and save money to get a premium in the future

Luke

Ok should I trade Vlastuin out for Wines?

@Mr_Crimmins

Yes I would. Vlastuin no guarantee to get a game soon and he is very vest-worthy.

@Mr_Crimmins

That's a smart move, one that Mr Crimmins has done aswell.

Guest

Would these two trades be sensible? Shuey can play, but is too inconsistent, and no matter what Libba gets, he will increase significantly in price…

Shuey OUT- Libba IN
Karnezis OUT- monfries IN

Aaron

Shuey to Fyfe Karnezis to Kennedy

@Mr_Crimmins

Do this trade from Aaron.

Rocksta

First one generates cash, the second uses the generated cash. In summary, Sideways trades. Dont know about your available cash and whom you have in you team, but I recommend Shuey up to a dependable premium mid, and Karnezis down to a good rookie. This is the classic Guns and Rookies strategy.

Chooka

Can Leuenberger swing into the forward line? I want to trade him in for Roughead but dont want to be caught with four ruckmen that cant swing forward.

Currently have Pyke, Roughhead, Blicavs, Currie in ruck and Rowe and Cox in the forward line. If Leui goes in it might lock up my ruck department. Cheers

gghfhf

who to trade out ryder or zorko
and who to

@Mr_Crimmins

Keep both, but if you need to do it, Ryder for a Bartel maybe?

woodman

Karnezis to Dwyer and Macaffer to Josh Kennedy. W.C. or
Karnezis to Kennedy and M. Robinson to Monfries?

Rocksta

First one

Rocksta

Forgot to mention, I'm a Pies supporter

woodman

I think i will go with the first one. Will give Robo a chance. Im a pies supporter as well….

Rocksta

Pies for premiers 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Mr_Crimmins

1st trade for me.

Chewie

Dilemma! I want to trade out Roughead for Leuenberger, but if i do I wont have any rucks to swing forward. Currently, Rowe is the only ruck in my forward line.

Do i trade Roughhead for Dwyer, then Currie for Leuenberger

or a straight trade of Roughead to Leuenberger but then cant swing any of my rucks forward and have Rowe stuck in the forward line.

Help, Advice, Thoughts?

Rocksta

Forget about swings!
We have more trades this year and thus you need guns that you can depend on.
Roughie for Luey is a great trade. Luey is a Gun Ruckman, and is only going to get better after injury. In addition, you can bank $250K which you can use later.
Do it!

Jottie

Hi guys having trouble don't know whether too trade

Roughead to Kruezer Byrnes to Kennedy

Or trade my rookies that aren't doing anything stein berg to Dwyer

And paparone to neade I'm new to super coach is having 2 non performing rookies as bad as missing out on Kennedy / Kruezer?

Rocksta

Roughie to Kruezer isnt required.
Byrnes to Kennedy is.

footyinme

everyone has at least 1 none scoring rookie to achieve the captain loop hole strategy.
So don't worry too much about that. Definitely trade Byrnes for Kennedy and consider Leuenberger over Kruezer. Generate more cash!!!

@Mr_Crimmins

DUMP BYRNES!! for Kennedy.