FLESH FOR FANTASY – ROUND 3
Hello Again Community!
Hope you all had a good fantasy weekend. Round 2 gave us a good chance to have a look at how and if players were able to back up their round 1 performances. We also saw the return of probably the most important fantasy ruckman this year in Matthew Leuenberger. He looked very solid and scored 101.
However, now that we’re 2 weeks into the competition, we are at the mercy of the footy gods. The first lot of price changes occur at the end of this round, and no longer is it as simple as holding an underperforming player until he hits his straps. Our trading must have substance and logic to it.
This week’s “Flesh for Fantasy” will discuss this very issue. How you trade in the next couple of weeks can either set your season up for success, or failure. It’ll be the difference between a performing team with a wealthy war chest, or a flop with no money available to upgrade.
“GET HIM IN”
MATTHEW KREUZER (CARL) RUCK – $403,700 DT/$494,100 SC
– Next 5 Games: GEE (A), WCE (A), ADEL (H), MELB (H), STK (A)
– Recent Scores: 113, 109
After burning many coaches last year, “Special K”, as his supporters dub him, has come out and turned it on this season. Tonned up in both games, but more importantly, has looked really good. He is moving well for a big man, and almost looks plays as a tall midfielder. He’s way too good to be playing out of the goal-square, and clearly is Carlton’s number 1 ruckman. Expecting him to almost hit elite status for ruckman, and should be considered if you’ve got an under-performing R1.
PEARCE HANLEY (BRIS) DEF – $425,300 DT/$485,200 SC
– Next 5 Games: GC (A), NM (A), MELB (H), SYD (A), WCE (H)
– Recent Scores: 83, 160
This chap has the “Matthew Pavlich Syndrome”. Because he isn’t playing in Melbourne, he doesn’t get rated as highly as he should. Pearce is a dead set gun. He was sensational against Adelaide – collecting 30 touches, 6 marks, 5 tackles and 160 SuperCoach points. He’s been there about for a while now, and it looks as if Hanley is ready to explode this year. While I still think you should back your defensive premiums in, there would be no harm done by getting Pearce in. He’s owned by just 7% of the SuperCoach community, so he could become a nice POD (point of difference) should you get him in.
TOM LIBERATORE (WBD) MID – $401,300 DT/$444,400 SC
– Next 5 Games: RICH (A), ADEL (A), GEE (H), WCE (A), NM (H)
– Recent Scores: 130, 133
I mentioned this son of a gun in one of my pre-season articles as a potential POD player. I thought his output would increase, but not at this rate. 2 consecutive 130+ games in crazy scoring. Libba jr also leads the competition for clearances too with 23. I think Tom has a Matthew Boyd’s injury to thank for this start to season, but he couldn’t do it without putting in the effort so it’s clear Tom is finally showing the potential we all know he has. Libba has a tough run coming up, and Boyd is due to return in next couple of weeks. But, don’t let that scare you. Be confident in trading him in, Libba is a gun and there are many more high scores to come.
JIMMY BARTEL (GEE) FWD/MID – $492,700 DT/$527,400 SC
– Next 5 Games: CARL (H), SYD (A), WBD (A), RICH (A), ESS (A)
– Recent Scores: 88, 157
It’s been a handy start to the season for Jimmy Bartel, and it’s the manner in which he’s done it that has been most interesting. Of the 245 points he has scored, 133 of those have come from the 4th quarter. Especially in the game of SuperCoach, it’s clear Jimmy’s influence on games has been massive. Geelong has an indifferent run coming up, but isn’t playing the competition elite. Jimmy’s impressive start could continue, and is a nice sideways trade for anyone who has a struggled mid/fwd premium.
“GET HIM OUT”
MITCH ROBINSON (CARL) MID/FWD – $478,600 DT/$474,700 SC
– Next 5 Games: GEE (A), WCE (A), ADEL (H), MELB (H), STK (A)
– Recent Scores: 20, 75
It’s been a disappointing start to the season for Mitch. A concussion against the Tigers, and a so-so effort against Collingwood have seen Mitch on the chopping block with many coaches, and with good reason too. Just doesn’t seem to be having the impact he was early last season. Mitch’s role has changed now that Betts is out – seems to be playing predominately as a defensive forward. While he is still apart of the midfield rotation, he’ll spend less time there at least until Betts is back. Given the amount of money he will lose in the coming weeks, I’d get off Mitch this week.
HARLEY BENNELL (GCS) MID – $438,200 DT/$521,900 SC
– Next 5 Games: BRIS (H), PORT (H), GWS (A), FRE (H), MELB (A)
– Recent Scores: 73, 53
I was excited by the prospects of Bennell throughout the pre-season. He looked very good, and I was under assumption he’d thrive having Gaz dishing the ball to his outside run. I was wrong. Very wrong. Opposition coaches have also seen this and are tagging him out of the game. 18 touches v St Kilda and 14 v Sydney just isn’t the standard we’re looking for given his price. He does have an easy draw coming up, granted. However, there’s a BE of 179 looming above his head, and he looks no-where near getting that. I believe it’s best to dump him for a Fyfe-type player before he rockets down in price and you’re unable to turn him into anyone significant.
PATRICK KARNEZIS (BRIS) FWD – $238,500 DT/$262,200 SC
– Next 5 Games: GC (A), NM (A), MELB (H), SYD (A), WCE (H)
– Recent Scores: 60, 8
What a disappointment this man has been. On the back of a very solid finish to last season, and a fantastic pre-season, I thought he was ready for the big time. Vossy had him running through the midfield and almost hogging the footy. Fast forward from the NAB Cup GF, and he’s coming off a game as the sub. Even in the full game he played round 1, he collected 19 touches, yet only managed 60 SuperCoach points. Clearly Voss believes he can’t impact full games, so he’s now running as sub. Big worry, and despite Beams’ season-ending knee injury, I’d still get Karnezis out. Karnezis to Dwyer, or to Kennedy are probably the best options for mine.
ANY PLAYER FROM THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB
– Next 5 Games: WCE (H), GWS (H), BRIS (A), CARL (A), GC (H)
Arguably the biggest story of the season to date has been the deplorable performance of the Dees. Smashed by 79 and 148 points in their first 2 games, they boast a percentage of just 28.39. So why is the disappointing performance of the team relevant for fantasy football? I’ll tell you why. SuperCoash uses Champion Data rankings as their preferred scoring system, which applies a cap of 3300. They do this so that they are able to compare individual performances throughout history. In the case of Melbourne, anyone who plays them this season, based on what we’ve seen so far, will hog a fair percentage of this 3300. On Saturday night, Essendon had 2,011 of the possible 3300. This means that the Dees had just 1,289 points to spread amongst 22 players. If you look at Saturday night, Melbourne had 2 players score above 100 (Howe 116 and Frawley 117). After that, there were 3 scores above 70. That’s not good, and with West Coast to come this week, I expect similar fantasy pain for the Dees. Get any Melbourne player you have out of side. Simple.
“BREAKING POINT”
For the first time this season, welcome to “Breaking Point”. This will provide you with the necessary break evens you need to consider going into this week of trading. Break evens are probably one of, if not, the most important number you’ll come across this season. Being aware of when a player is ready to pop is vital in all trade decision-making. Without further ado, I present the first lot at “breaking point” for season 2013.
Going up
– Sam Dwyer (COLL), -103 BE
– Jack Viney (MELB), – 102 BE
– Josh J Kennedy (WCE), -37 BE
– Campbell Heath (PORT), -87 BE
– Lewis Stevenson (PORT), – 91 BE
– Brett Goodes (WBD), -136 BE
– Jaeger O’Maera (COLL), -124 BE
– Jake Neade (PORT), -75 BE
– Brent Macaffer (COLL), – 29 BE
– Bryce Gibbs (CARL), 62 BE
– Tom Liberatore (WBD), -4 BE
– Brent Moloney (BRIS), 17 BE
– Michael Barlow (FRE), 56 BE
– Jimmy Bartel (GEE), 63 BE
– Nathan Fyfe (FRE), 68 BE
Going down
– Matthew Pavlich (FRE), 191 BE
– Patrick Ryder (ESS), 187 BE
– Lance Franklin (HAW), 183 BE
– Dayne Zorko (BRIS), 169 BE
– Mitch Robinson (CARL, 182 BE
– Jarryd Roughead (HAW), 177 BE
– Patrick Dangerfield (ADEL), 201 BE
– Harley Bennell (GCS), 179 BE
– Luke Shuey (WCE), 165 BE
– Daniel Rich (BRIS), 146 BE
– Patrick Karnezis (BRIS), 85 BE
– Jack Watts (MELB), 168 BE
“PUB TALK”
Finally, I give you this week’s edition of Pub Talk. Again, I want to thank the many questions I’ve received throughout the week. Here is the top bunch for the week heading into round 3.
– @tommywarhust: I need a replacement for rich either a downgrade or sideways trade. has shown he can’t break a tag, please help!
ANSWER: Well Tommy, you’ve come to the right place for help. I rated Rich very highly throughout the pre-season, and so did 17 other teams apparently because he is now on the receiving end of tagging jobs. Lower towelled him up something shocking in round 1, and against the Crows he managed just the 77. So you need to trade him out. Who for? Brent Moloney is a great option. Won’t average huge scores, but will be consistent. Another possible option is Tom Liberatore, who has been massive so far this year –leading competition for clearances. Be wary with him, Matthew Boyd’s pending return may see a drop in these numbers.
– @carldikschei: Trade Rough, Ryder or Karnezis? Only trade Karnezis if he’s sub? Got 250k in the bank with 1 trade to go. ??
ANSWER: For me Karnezis goes if named sub. I was one that was seriously sucked in by his pre-season and that awful “P” word – potential. He’s given us nothing so far, and clearly Vossy no longer rates him as a 21 player too. His BE is 85, and if he is named sub, there will be a huge drop in price to point it’ll be hard to make money from him. If you can possibly downgrade Karenzis to say a Dwyer, do it because you’ll build up that warchest even more.
– @mattyboyyyy69: keep zorko? Trade him for a rookie, mid-pricer or another premium?
ANSWER: Interesting question. Zorko has been down on his output, after a stellar year last season. He is a premium, and for mine, you got to back them in to come good. Not sure the 2nd year blues apply to mature-aged recruits, and this kid is a star. Back him in for a few more weeks, Brisbane’s run gets easier with GCS and Melbourne to play in the next 3 weeks. If he doesn’t pick up by then, get him out.
– @Khaphonso: What do we do with Orange Roughy Mr Crimmins??
ANSWER: What we do with “Orange Roughy” young Khaphonso, is we hold onto him. SuperCoach Gold are predicting a drop of about $42k, but he showed some good signs on the weekend – 16 touches, 4 marks, 2 goals, 89 SC. It would be rough (pun alert) to ditch him on the back of an 89. His price is such that you’re able to take a few price hits, and still turn him into a solid scoring premium. Keep for a few more weeks, and if Sunday was a flash in the pan, then consider your options.
– @jbarresi1: do we have enough time to invest in Dwyer?
ANSWER: Great question this one, because there’s more it than just a simple yes. Based on a solid run as sub v NM and a near BOG v Carlton, you’d suggest his spot is as safe as a church. However, it doesn’t seem that easy. Firstly, Buckley was quoted this week as saying that Sam Dwyer could “undeservingly” end up back on rookie list when Tim Broomhead recovers from a case of Glandular Fever. This case occurred a few years ago when Joe Misti’s return to Essendon saw Damien Peverill return to rookie list after a Dwyer-like impact. That said, Broomhead is still a bit off so Dwyer is safe on primary list…for now. Another issue is the pending return of few Collingwood stars. Ball, Beams, Fasolo, Krakouer, Young, Thomas and Didak are all due to make their way back into side at some point. Players will have to make way, and this raises serious question marks on the job security of Sam Dwyer. However, the spots of Seedsman, Macaffer, and Clarke are shakier than Sam’s at the moment, so unless all 7 come back at the one time, he should be safe for a while. In all, right now it’s a case of “if”, not “when”. Sam will generate a lot of cash and scores over next month or so. But keen an eye on the situation, because a time will arise when he’s ready to be cashed in – even if it’s prematurely.
Good luck for round 3 community, and I hope you all benefit from the upcoming price changes.
Mr Crimmins
@Mr_Crimmins
Great article Mr Crimmins…. Big read… Just what I love!
After reading your breaking point section I was very happy to discover I had all but 3 of the going up players!
Thanks for the kid works Mr Consistent. Hopefully those breakevens were hopeful, I know some people struggle for access to such information. Just helping out the community I love most.
Guys should I trade karnezis to Dwyer and koby Stevens to moloney… Or duffield to pittard, karnezis to rockcliff plus 200,000 in the bank
Any cash that's not on the park is wasted, particularly this week. Karnezis to Dwyer is good, but find a way to get the rest of your coin into someone who's going to improve in value this week.
Disagree taggath. Cash in the bank = premium upgardes later in the season. Of course, there's no point naming a team with no premiums as you won't score, but you need some cash to upgrade around midseason
Yep, you're right, that's a completely valid strategy. Where possible, as an alternative strategy, I would prefer to be upgrading to premiums by cashing in two rookies that have increased in value for a premium and a new rookie that will soon increase in value.
That's dependent on there being rookie options available during the season, of course, which may not always be the case, but it's a strategy worth considering, particularly in the first half of the season, when there are more rookie priced players available.
If you can save cash without losing production, then that type of move becomes valid. People overvalue how first few rounds in the league, early on it is all about putting yourself in the best position to improve the team.
I think Karnezis will improve, but dwyer is going to be a good cash cow. Stevens had hammy tightness in round 1 and then was the sub. He looked good when he came on so I would stick with him.
Does 'every Melbourne player' mean Viney, Jones and Terlich? Cause if it does, you've made a big boo-boo Mr.Crimmins. They are good cash cows with excellent JS those lot.
I agree, a ridiculous thing to say.
In addition to the three you mentioned, would you be trading out Grimes and Howe if you have them? Both scoring above their averages and so having low BEs (Grimes avg 101 BE 75, and Howe avg 105.5 BE 37), despite as Mr.Crimmins points out Melbourne getting a very low percentage of points.
But Jock and Higgo both said the same thing on the podcast so I presume they'll all be trading out Viney this week as their first priority.
I don't think it applies to rookies mate.
Probably wasn't clear enough there my son. Of course you're going to keep players that will make money. My point is that if you look at the scores of entire team, opposition scores take a very big chuck of the 3300 distributed amongt the 2 teams. So you'd be silly to have Melbourne premiums and mid-priced players, because they're just not going to get a good piece of the 3300. Hope that clears it up.
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I've got two options as I see it:
Option 1: Roughead > J.J. Kennedy; and Bennell > Watson or Mitchell
Option 2: Karnezis to > J.J. Kennedy; and Bennell > Libba or Howlett (I'd rather Fyfe here, but 3 grand off his price with this trade.)
Have got Ryder and Zorko as well.
Any feedback welcome.
KARNEZIS TO KENNEDY
BENNELL TO DWYER
PICK UP WATSON AND/OR MITCHELL NEXT WEEK
Already got Dwyer. Got pretty much all the rookie locks except Wines.
is dwyer in your forward line or midfield?
Forward line.
THEN BENNELL TO WINES
Guys what's your thought's on Koby stevens
Keep or not??????
I am keeping Koby. He was very good when subbed on last week. I expect him to play a full game this week and score well against Richmond. He will appreciate nicely and ripen a little later than others …. This is a good thing. However, if unsure, keep a trade and pull the trigger just prior to the game if he is named sub.
current mid: Ablett, Kennedy, Danger, watson, mundy, viney, crouch, jager, wines and toumpas. need to trade toumpas, thinking of fyfe, barlow, maloney or libba, thoughts?
got 450k available (after karnezis to dwyer trade) but want around 100-200k available after this week
I'd get Fyfe in personally – this will probably be the cheapest he is all year. Execute.
is bennel to liba or jobe best option? the jobe trade still leaves me 409k
I'd definitely trade up (Premium up to you) if you have that much cash
Bennell to Jobe for mine.
Hey Jock, love reading your articles, really deserve the title 'father of fantasy football'
seeking wisdom.. got a problem or two…
want to get bennell out, would downgrading from bennell to brad crouch, putting an extra 430k in the bank, or should i go slightly sideways and trade bennell for a player such as mitchell or swallow?
and also with ryder… got versatility as i've got roughead too, not seeing improvement in the near future for ryder.. should i move him to the forward line, trade him out and go sideways and get a paul chapman or jimmy bartel? or trade him from the ruck and get a leuenberger for 240k cash generation, or go slightly sideways and trade in will minson, or todd goldstein or ben mcevoy?
this article is not written by jock reynolds
Which put of these trade option should I do?
1. In: Viney, Dwyer Out: Mitchell, Karnezis
2. In: Viney, Heath Out: Mitchell, Vlastuin
3. In: Viney, Fyfe Out: Mitchell, Bennell
Please help community
depends what your motive is…
are you looking for instant scores or downgrading for cash generation?
for instant scores – go with option 3
for cash generation – go with option 1
Don't trade in Viney, Mr Crimmins suggests you should be trading him out if you have him!
His breakevens is -102 he is going up price u have to have him
Tim's right. My point with Melbourne was that they're not going to score well this year, so don't bring any Melbourne players in. Viney will make cash, but won't score well.
Number 1 for me, get Karenzis out.
I'm pleased to say I have 10 of the players who are going up in price this week and only Zorks and Dangermouse who are going down. My real questions is Do you think it's too courageous to put Cox as Captain this week? I have Ablett and he is playing Brisbane, but the big man Cox is playing Melbourne. Which way do I go?
Try and use the captain's loophole if you can and put the V on Big Cox and leave the C on GAJ.
Of course it requires you having a player who isn't playing this weekend for a team that plays AFTER the Eagles Dees game for that to work.
Yep, that works for me! Got Dochery sitting on the bench. Thanks!
this article is gold, just a question though, already used a trade to get Watts OUT, but for the last trade is it worth getting rid of zorko/roughead/dangerfield before their price drop (if so which one) or bring grant Birchell in the backline???
Of those three I'd give Roughy the boot for sure. Zorko and dangerfield will recover over the course of the season.
I'd make birchall an upgrade target, i cant see him going up in value that much.
Great article Mr Crimmins,
A few questions, If Vlastuin is not named this week should I trade him for Campbell Heath? I already have Stevenson and Pittard so would three Port players be to much?
Should I keep Lecras as he seems to be returning this week vs Melbourne? Or should I trade for J Kennedy?
Trade Koby Stevens for Wines? Personally I think I should hold Koby but would love your thoughts.
Cheers
Ollie Wines – too late to get on board?
Thinking of downgrading Rich to Wines and bank the cash ($310k)
No definitely not too late to get on him. That would be a smart trade I reckon.
Here are the players that I would consider trading out this week: Newman, Roughie, Watts, Karnezis, Zorko.
Which 2 should I get rid of?
i would say watts definitely on the chopping block, if you don't have sam dwyer, would be a good downgrade to bank the cash
Yes Watts should be your first priority. I'd hold off on the other trade though until the Brisbane team is finalised and their sub is announced. If it's Karny again then you should definitely dump him too but if he's not the sub I'd actually trade out Roughy.
Thoughts on Shuey and Ward? Will be dropping in value. I was thinking of bringing in Liberatore and Kane Cornes – will make me money over the next month. Any objections or better options i’m missing? Cheers!!
hmmmmm… Should i go:
Watts/Karnezis –> JJKennedy/Walters (or any other 400k forward)
OR
Watts/Newman –> JJKennedy/Birchall (or Hanley or any defender)
Have you thought about trading Watts and Newman to JJK and a rookie DEF like Luke Brown or Heath? would free up some cash
Karnezis to JJK. and then M murphy to:
Mullet 291k left or
luke parker around 200k left or
libba 130 k left?
Thoughts?
Libba
Good thinking 99. You reckon mullet will continue his good run?
hmmmm sorry, I havent really seen him play much so I cant really give advice.
All good, was just discussing the issue. He has done well this year.
Mullet is very interesting..should I trade dangerfield for mullet (or upgrade to Pendles), or Pavlich for Bartel? I have to lose Ryder so I can only lose one of these two. Any advice folks?
Libba for me.
getting rid of watts but not sure who to i have most rookies thinking either dixon or heath then trading either varco or vickery to kennedy any thoughts?
Well, I'd definitely turn Vickery to Kennedy. As for who to trade out for Watts, have you considered maybe Pearce Hanley? Could be a decent option.
Still need Ollie Wines-is it to late to get him?
T. Mitchell out – Wines in
I have got Buddy and Shuey and im thinking of getting rid of them but im not sure whether to keep them for a little longer and see how they go?
These are some options
Buddy out – Bartel in
Shuey out – Liberatore or Bartel in
Keep Goldstein or swap him for Kreuzer?
Is Enright worth having or should i swap him for Hanley?
Also is Brent staker gonna play? and when?
why would you want to trade Goldstein for Kreuzer? crazy.
Keep Goldy.
Kreuzer will have a smashing year, but not worth the sideways trade.
But I am in the same problem with you re: Wines – is it too late to get him? (i.e. should I go Rich to Wines and bank the cash OR Rich to Liberatore and hope his score don't drop too much when Boyd comes back in)
Alright Goldys staying haha
i think rich to libby and do you have any other mids for wines?
Nah. Pretty happy with MIDs except for Rich.
Also my second trade will be Karny to Monfries or JJK so won't be able to do Libba and Wines.
Haven't missed boat on Wines at all. Get him in this week before he goes up in price.
Keep Shuey, will score very week v Melbourne this week. Hopefully it'll kick stat his season.
Swap in Hanley for Enright, good trade that one.
Staker still a bit off – potential trade-in option down the line though.
Should I get Kruezer or luenberger in??
I'd prefer Leuey myself. Whilst Kreuuu has scored well so far I'd still have concerns of him playing more forward especially with none of the other Blues talls firing.
Leuenbeger solely for his price, but Krezuer will score greater IMO
As I have a load of the must have rookes I am thinking this week Roughy/Zorko out and Berger/J Kennedy (WC) in and hold Karnezis. Gives me over 500 k in the bank and I think the two players I will bring in should equal those I move out.
Thoughts?
yeah deff luey is better option. would you consider roughie trade down to kennedy? im also trading out bennel for watson. if i make these trades ill have 518k. just not sure about getting big orange the flick
I could do Roughie to Kennedy but then keep Zorko?
roughie to rockliffe?
keep zorko youll hate yourself when he rips out a big one against the suns this week
I have Rockcliff so Roughie/Karnezis to Kennedy/Berger and 250 k?
really need to get benell out.. any good ideas who for? take a MASSIVE risk and play 4 rookies on the park by trading bennell for crouch? and then bank the $430k
or
trade ryder out, and get leuenberger in, then use some of that cash to upgrade bennell to mitchell or swallow?
thoughts?
would be playing crouch, viney, wines and i'meara on the field, all capable of scoring 100's, but just not sure on consistency
Bennell to crouch
Is it worth keeping LeCras? He may play this week but will most likely have the vest, but then next week he'll most likely be back in the full team?
Yes keep him. Apparently has been marking since last week, doctor's have given the all clear, and way too good to be given the vest. West Coast won't take Melbourne lightly considering their current position.
My Forward line right now is:
Cox, Rockliff, Zorko, LeCras, Varcoe, Karnezis, Macaffer, Neade
NEED to get Kenendy and Dwyer in.
Which two should go?
Zorko for Kennedy, Lecras for Dwyer, then wait until Macaffer rises enough trade him out for a performing premium.
Instead of Zorko get rid of Varcoe for Kennedy. Varcoe seems to be playing well but not scoring heaps. Zorko has Gold Coast then Melbourne!
If Karnezis gets sub again then trade him instead!
Karenzis MUST go – dump him for Dwyer. Then trade Macaffer up to Kennedy
Anyone else backing Watts to come back this week? Im putting the big C on him
Good luck with that pal..
I'm sure he's just stirring Benny……. I hope……
I've made my first trade; Karnezis –> Dwyer
Now have $169,800.
I'm thinking trading out Rich.
Already have Pendles, Ablett, Cotchin, Fyfe, Dangerfield, and rookies in Omeara, Viney, Crouch and Mitchell.
Should I trade for another premium or go down and cash in on Wines?
Other than that I have Roughead and Dangerfield who I looked at trading but are under performing, but I think I can hold onto these guys. I got them in to be my premiums all season.
CASH IN ON WINES!!
Wines for me too, build that war chest!
Crim mate, love your articles. Always the best reads
Thanks mate!
Thank you for the warm words, glad you enjoy the article.
Thumbs up Roughie/Karnezis to Berger/Kennedy
Thumbs down keep the two trades
Thinking Roughie/Karnezis to Berger/Kennedy or keep the two trades?
Do it for mine, got to get Karnezis out and if that means trading for cash, go ahead.
would you consider roughie trade down to kennedy? im also trading out bennel for watson. if i make these trades ill have 518k. just not sure about getting big orange the flick
Bennel to Watson for sure, but who knows what Roughie has in him next week?
Not sure if I should trade out Bennell or Karnezis for my 2nd trade (first trade is Watts to Pittard)
Karnezis for me, priority is to get guys out that won't score for you.
How does Vlastuin to Campbell Heath sound? Even If I have both Stevenson and Pittard.
And Kane Mitchell to Ollie Wines?
Cheers
Both good trades for me. Mitchell's spot still questionable as sub, whereas Wines is a locked in 21 player. Still have no idea where Vlastuin is, and even if he does play this week, he'll most like be given the green vest.
Thanks Crimmo
Should trade out WATTS for PITTARD or HANLEY?
and should I trade out BENNELL for PARKER, LIBBA or BARTEL?
PLEASE help! Your thoughts would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!
Hey Jacob,
I think that Hanley and Liberatore is your best bet. They will both give you some good cash and they should perform well.
Agreed with DT Legend here – get rid of Watts for Hanley, then Bennell for Libba.
hi
this is my forward line
Cox, Zorko, Robinson, Varcoe, Karnesis, Neade (mcaffer, Dwyer)
i was planning to get rid of karnesis and Robinson and that article has helped cement that but unsure who to get was thinking Bartel or Rockcliff which would leave me with 250 000 which i then dont know who to spend on.
Any ideas would be much appreciated
299k Kennedy from west coast is a must, will bag 5 goals and score 100+ again not to mention he's sitting on a hefty price increase.
Hi James,
You are definitely right to trade out Robbinson and Karnezis if the rest of your team is looking good and it's only your forward line that needs fixing.
However, it's a tough call between Rockcliff and Bartel. If you can't afford them both I would flip a coin. 50/50 decision for me.
Keep Zorko or trade to Chappy??? Doing my head in! Zorko has been under performing and you know what you get from Chappy. I realise Zorko has Melb and Suns in two of the next three but im all about in the long run. Who will finish on top between the two from now on, Zorko or Chaps?
If Zorko is your only problem mate then don't trade him. If your missing any of the essential rookies make that trade now!!!
Zorko will probably finish on top because he'll play every game, while Chappy will always miss a few mid-late year with his groin problems. I think this is the classic sideways trade which is completely unnecessary at this point. Surely that trade could be used better elsewhere?
Keep Zorko. Easy run coming up, but if he doesn't fire after that – get rid for mine.
Agree with Josh. No need for Sideways trades. You need to back your initial judgement and save your trades, unless they generate cash or upgrade to premiums
I've got Ryder, Watts, Karnezis & Zorko in the bye bye list.
Thinking Watts for Dixon and Ryder for JJK as those 2 have potentially the biggest price drop.
Any thoughts?
I would personally get rid of Watts and Karenzis. Get the guys out who aren't going to score you anything this week. Trade down Karenzis, then use the cash to get a super premium backline for Watts
Yep, agree 100%, just checked the teams and Karny and Watts both not playing this week.
Looks like Ryder gets a reprieve.
Decisions……
Dwyer or JJK for Karny? I'm leaning to JJK atm,
Which to players should i trade out. Karnezis, Ryder, Walker and Bennel.
Thanks
I'd chop Bennell and either Walker or Ryder. I'm leaning towards removing Walker though. Definitely get rid of Bennell.
Karnezis must go after tonight's selection.
Wouldn't worry about Karnezis, he's not going to lose any value and you can re-evaluate next week. The other 3 will drop significantly…I'd ditch Bennel definitely and as for Walker or Ryder…either or. Depends on your other rucks/fwds.
I needa trade out Karnezis ,i have $460k to play with and I already have Rockliff, Kennedy, Neade, Varcoe, Dwyer and Macaffer. Any ideas?
Hi guys. Thinking of trading Zorko and Shuey for Sam Mitchell and Dustin Martin. Seems a sideways trade. But gonna lose too much money on them both. Other option is Zorko to Monfries, but i don't back him to score constant 80s like Martin.
Thoughts?
I downgraded Taylor Walker to Josh Kennedy, is that a smart move? With the left over cash, I am thinking of upgrading Vlastuin to Liberatore or somebody else. Are there any other midfields I could upgrade to other than Liberatore, or should I just get in Wines or another rookie whose price will rise instead of spending the cash. Or, should I ignore my midfield and use my second trade on my defence by getting rid of Hartlett and getting in Hanley. I do have faith in Hartlett though so I do think Ill stick with him. What do you guys think? Please give me suggestions.
definitely a smart move. Walker will keep getting teamed up on and Kennedy is in good form with Melbourne this week and a price rise to come. i think your right to stick with Hartlett and concentrate on making money with Vlastuin. maybe another rookie and save money to get a premium in the future
Ok should I trade Vlastuin out for Wines?
Yes I would. Vlastuin no guarantee to get a game soon and he is very vest-worthy.
That's a smart move, one that Mr Crimmins has done aswell.
Would these two trades be sensible? Shuey can play, but is too inconsistent, and no matter what Libba gets, he will increase significantly in price…
Shuey OUT- Libba IN
Karnezis OUT- monfries IN
Shuey to Fyfe Karnezis to Kennedy
Do this trade from Aaron.
First one generates cash, the second uses the generated cash. In summary, Sideways trades. Dont know about your available cash and whom you have in you team, but I recommend Shuey up to a dependable premium mid, and Karnezis down to a good rookie. This is the classic Guns and Rookies strategy.
Can Leuenberger swing into the forward line? I want to trade him in for Roughead but dont want to be caught with four ruckmen that cant swing forward.
Currently have Pyke, Roughhead, Blicavs, Currie in ruck and Rowe and Cox in the forward line. If Leui goes in it might lock up my ruck department. Cheers
who to trade out ryder or zorko
and who to
Keep both, but if you need to do it, Ryder for a Bartel maybe?
Karnezis to Dwyer and Macaffer to Josh Kennedy. W.C. or
Karnezis to Kennedy and M. Robinson to Monfries?
First one
Forgot to mention, I'm a Pies supporter
I think i will go with the first one. Will give Robo a chance. Im a pies supporter as well….
Pies for premiers 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1st trade for me.
Dilemma! I want to trade out Roughead for Leuenberger, but if i do I wont have any rucks to swing forward. Currently, Rowe is the only ruck in my forward line.
Do i trade Roughhead for Dwyer, then Currie for Leuenberger
or a straight trade of Roughead to Leuenberger but then cant swing any of my rucks forward and have Rowe stuck in the forward line.
Help, Advice, Thoughts?
Forget about swings!
We have more trades this year and thus you need guns that you can depend on.
Roughie for Luey is a great trade. Luey is a Gun Ruckman, and is only going to get better after injury. In addition, you can bank $250K which you can use later.
Do it!
Hi guys having trouble don't know whether too trade
Roughead to Kruezer Byrnes to Kennedy
Or trade my rookies that aren't doing anything stein berg to Dwyer
And paparone to neade I'm new to super coach is having 2 non performing rookies as bad as missing out on Kennedy / Kruezer?
Roughie to Kruezer isnt required.
Byrnes to Kennedy is.
everyone has at least 1 none scoring rookie to achieve the captain loop hole strategy.
So don't worry too much about that. Definitely trade Byrnes for Kennedy and consider Leuenberger over Kruezer. Generate more cash!!!
DUMP BYRNES!! for Kennedy.
Dwyer or wines?
Long term, Wines! And I'm a Pies supporter.
Mind you, Dwyer can play!
Dwyer, gun, but as mentioned above, JS will become issue later on. Wines for me.
the missus has a dilema that i need some feedback about. she has ellis and watts in the backline and for one of the trades she needs to drop one of them. does she:
a) trade watts, he is not playing this week but he wont go down, and leave ellis on the field, or
b) trade ellis to avoid the price drop, leaving watts on the bench ready to trade next week.
she gonna drop karnezis for jjk, and i reakon she needs to make that trade for the price rise and fwd line strength. i reakon she should go with option b but im just not sure if its stupid keeping watts on the pine for a week. thoughts?
her other trade is gonna be karnezis to kennedy
Dont know how much she has in the bank and whom else she has in the team, but Watts for Heppell and Karnezis for JJK is a good 2 trades.
gonna trade out watts/ellis for heath campbell and then the other for birchall next week. im really thinkin ellis out first but it just sounds silly leaving watts in and on the bench when he is dropped and struggling
i was meant to erase the last sentance
Definitely dump Ellis. Keep Watts for one more week and assess the market – then trade next week.
OUT Stevens ($176,600)INParker ($379,500)
OUTKarnezis ($262,200)INDwyer ($96,200)
My trades for this round. Koby stevens is looking like he'll be getting the vest again for a good portion of this weeks game and his average is BE is pretty poor for a cash cow. Was hoping he'd play more but not looking like it and don't want to miss out on the opportunity to snatch up parker at this price.
Only problem is this leaves me with only 6k in the bank, and I also don't have J.J Kennedy in my lineup..
Thoughts?
I'd keep Stevens, and use $$$ to get JJK in. Stevens only played sub because of sore hammy last week. He'll play full game tomorrow and be fit to go.
Hey community… Have I made a mistake with Hamish Hartlet? Any thoughts appreciated.
Why a mistake? He was taken off last week with soreness during the game, hence low score. He's right to go this week. Hold.
No you haven't. He'll play more midfield this year and kill it. Crimmins will get him in at some stage, so don't dump.
Keep Zorko or trade to Chappy and why? Much appreciated!
Keep Zorko. Games against GC and Melb coming up. If he doesn't perform in these 2 games, then consider getting him out.
1. Karnezis to Dwyer then Longer to Leuey, $140k remaining, or
2. Roughy to Monfries then Longer to Kruezer or Goldie, $0 remaining
Which is the better choice? Or Roughy to Dwyer and make some cash? I already have JJK and LeCras
As its early doors, number 1.
You will need the cash for later
1 for me.
Watts and Karnesis are both omitted this week.
If you have others that are underperforming, is there a benefit in not dropping them for your 30 in favour of getting some of the others in?
I want to offload Roughead, Toumpas and Karnezis. Worth waiting till next week for Karnezis given he is omitted? Thinking Kreuzer/Wines for Roughead/Toumpas.
yeah wait till next week for Karnezis. There are a few forward rookies debuting this week so you could downgrade to one of them in a couple of weeks.
Agree with Big Will, holding Karnezis could be a stroke of genius – we get a good look at some forward rookies this week. HOWEVER, if you're looking to get JJK in this week – must be done.
Zorko or Chappy anyone?
Chapman for me.
Minson, Goldstein, or Kruezer?
Goldstein, then Kreuzer
Im keeping Ryder am i crazy??
Must be an Essendon Supporter!
Na I'm a pies fan haha although he has been crap early i believe he will come good…..or else!!! He is playing on Zac Dawson this week, if he was ever to kill it now would be the week
No, because Crimmins is keeping him in AFL Fantasy. Back you premiums in.
Made two trades you'd consider sideways in terms of value, but not in terms of score.
Flipped Varcoe for Leuenberger, and Tex Walker for Jimmy Bartel.
Both inclusions will score higher i believe (If leu stays healthy, he'll destroy Varcoe sc-wise).
Left with Karnezis on bench, since he's not playing this week, he'll keep his value, then i will downgrade him next week for sweet, sweet cash.
Liking how it's all shaping up
A sideways trade refers to price, not scores.
Varcoe out is a good move, and I gather u have a swing man to allow the trade to Luey. Tex W to Bartel is a classic sideways trade, if Walker scores 140 and Bartel only 80 , then you feel gypped. Do you already have Dwyer? He would make a suitable downgrade for Walker, even JJK would mean plenty of cash coming in. Something to think about anyway.
Looks good Honky, smart trading.
@Tex, yeah i know mate, probably didnt word my post properly.
Anyway, I've got the likes of JJK, neade, macaffer and dwyer (had them all from the start); and to be honest, there's no other forward i dont have that im comfortable trading in. I personally think Bartel will score higher with more consistency over the season than Walker will. I could be wrong, but hey, you need to take risks some time
Planning on doing Roughy to JJK and T.Walker to Dwyer, or would it be better to do Shuey to Dwyer?
West coast play melb, if u have Shuey then this is NOT the week to be trading him!
Keep Shuey. Refer above as to why, West Coast will get very high % of the 3300
I have three trades I want this week, so which two to do?
1. Toumpas > Wines (generates most cash this week)
2. Plowman > Pittard (possibly the weakest if Plowy scores 70+)
3. Karnezis > Dwyer (worth 80k now plus around 15k when Karny comes back)
I'd go with toumpas-wines and karnezis-Dwyer
1 and 3 for mine.
If I go with two trades this week one will be watts-bartel
Then I'd go with either
koby Stevens-Dwyer
Varcoe-Dwyer
Or Vlaustin-Heath
Thoughts?
Vlaustin-Heath for me, only because I reckon you should keep Stevens and Dwyer for a little longer – let them generate some cash. That said, If you got a Macaffer or Karnezis, I'd be getting them out this week for Dwyer.
So… To trade Shuey or not to trade Shuey?!
I know WCE have the Demons – but he’s gunna be dropping value over the next few weeks with a high break even.
Thoughts? I’m thinking Libba in for him, and possibly Kane Cornes in for Callan Ward.
Purely thinking of the $$$, have a solid side all over the rest of the ground, scored ~2450 last week.
If you trade him i would put in fyfe
I agree with Sully here. If you can get Fyfe in, I would.
If you trade him i would go for fyfe
Here's my team;
BAC: Gibbs, Heppell, Goddard, Goodes, Pittard, Stevenson (Jacobs, Terlich)
MID: Ablett, Swan, Pendlebury, Dangerfield, Lucas, O'Meara, Wines, Crouch (Viney, Mitchell)
RUC: Cox, Ryder (Blicavs, Currie)
FWD: Rockliff, Kennedy, Zorko, Walker, Varcoe, Karnezis (Neade, Macaffer)
with Ben Jacobs and Karnezis not playing, these trades can wait as their price changes aren't likely to happen for another week or so. My question is, who out of Dangerfield, Ryder, Zorko, Walker, and Kane Mitchell do I trade out? Walker had a terrible game last week so price drop is going to be higher than Danger, Ryder and Zorko. Dangerfield may be a keeper as I am confident he will come good soon. Is it worth trading Mitchell? or better to trade Walker for Dwyer and Ryder to another premium Ruc?
Please HELP!
I desperately need your help Mr Crimmins
I'd trade out Walker – it's what I did to afford JJK. From there, I'd turn Jacobs into a premium defender. Mitchell may get vest again, but he'll still generate cash. Still by Zorko and Ryder for a little longer and see if they come good – especially Zorko, who has an easy run coming up. Good luck.
Who do I play on field? Wines or viney? Don’t think wines is starting this week…
Wines for me. Viney won't score well – refer to above about Melbourne.
Ive offloaded Viney for Dwyer and Roughie for Kreuzer…..mainly for instant points.
Pros? Cons? thought are appreciated 🙂
If I were you, I'd keep both and get Dwyer in for another failed rookie if possible.
Thanks Mr Crimmins! “failed” rookies? I have Kommer, Mitchell and Vlastuin…..thinking Vlas because he hasnt played yet and doubtful this week too and thats $160,000 doing nothing!!
Ok Gents already done the standard Watts to JJK trade so
T/U – Roughy to Dwyer
T/D – Docherty to Luke Brown
Thanks lads
Docherty to Luke Brown for mine. Keep Roughy, he'll come good.
Or I could do Karnezis/Macaffer to Dwyer.
hi mr crimmins here are my midfield rookies
brad crouch
o'meara
wines
viney
koby stevens
which three of these five would you have on the field?
I've have O'Maera (playing well and on the rise), Wines (too much $$$ to sit on bench) and Crouch (85 on debut, looked good). But I have a feeling Stevens may score big this week.
stevens was vested last week and is named on the bench again this week
do you think they will vest him two weeks in a row?
Who should I field out of Wines, Crouch, Stevens, O'Meara and Viney?
Bloody hell didn't see the same question above!
Refer to question above.
Is this Jock Reynolds exact email: [email protected]
Mr Crimmins Sir,
Would like to get your thoughts on Patton and Wingard. Both with low B-Evens. Fancy either of them as mid-pricers?
Cheers Mr C.
I like Wingard, has started well this season and does have that low BE so will generate cash. Patton, not so much, only because I'm worried as a key forward he'll be very up and down.
who should i put on my field in the backline?
pittard
stevenson
or heath?
the other two are goodes and terlich but goodes is staying on the and terlich on the bench
Pittard.
When do you think it is the right time to look to upgrade to Buddy and/or Pavlich? Also I have Mcafer on the field to use for the captains loophole. Josh Kennedy is the VC, and if he gives a poor score (doubt it, playing Melbourne) I can put the captaincy back on Ablett. Dwyer is the emergency for Mcaffer, thoughts?
Look to upgrade to Buddy/Pav either when their BreakEven has hit as low as it can go, or when you're rookies/mid-pricers have maxed out and you can straight swap then in. Important you keep an eye on the BE.
I like it a lot – smart exploitation of the loophole. Go for it.
Great to hear…this is the first season I am putting in research into prices and break evens…thanks to this site!
Last question, who should start…Viney or Crouch?
Crouch for me.
Should Tex walker be traded or hold?
Hold, but if you don't have Josh J Kennedy, I'd strongly suggest you trade Tex down to him.
Would it be stupid to trade out Marc Murphy? Been a bit down on form, hard games coming up. I have cash to get Jobe, or I could even get Fyfe who is playing just as good and costs a lot less and net some $$$.
Thoughts?
Nope, keep Murph. He is ready to explode and if you can weather the storm, there are points to be scored. Back him in.
Cheers Mr C. My trigger figger is itchy but you have made me see sense! 🙂
i'm happy mccaffer's out will use the captain's loophole and give him the C
and Cox the Big V
but mr crimmins do you think macaffer will break back into collingwood lineup?
I have Kennedy instead, Cox is more likely to score big but either way smart move!
I think it'll be difficult. Quality players are still to come in, and those in the side are playing very well (ie Dwyer). Keep an eye on it, but if guys like Dwyer keeps this up, he'll need to dominate in VFL to get back in.
do i trade tex or zorko for leuenberger then karnezis to jjk or just hold off? i dont have enough for a straight swap
I'd do straight Tex to JJK, then get Leuey if you can. Hold Zorko, see if he can score in easy run coming up – otherwise dump.
Dale Thomas or Jimmy Bartel, who do you think will end up a better option?
Jimmy Bartel for me, but Thomas could be a nice cheap option down the track.
mr crimmins what you said about stevens having big game this week
last week he was vested.
This week he is named on the bench again this week
do you think they'll vest him two weeks in row?
He was vested due to a hamstring issue.
With the rolling lockout, you can swap him in/out depending if he does get name sub for a Crouch. Early prediction – he'll play full game.
Have almost $140K in bank after offloading Karnezis.
Is Varcoe to Moloney a good trade or wait for a few weeks for a better upgrade?
I'd wait a few weeks, let Varcoe go up in price and you could turn him into a Buddy/Pavilch.
For the captains loophole, what score do you think Cox has to score for you to be satisfied to leave the C on him?
Anywhere above 120+ for me, and against Melbourne, I back him in. Maybe 110 is a pass, but you don't want him scoring that, and have guys like Pendles or Gaz scoring 130+
i got 432,700
in the bank this week with my two trades
watts-dwyer
and vlaustin-heath
mr crimmins do you think next week upgrade varcoe-bartel or any other fwd who else should iconsider already got rockliff, roughead and kennedy.
Like the trades. One part of me reckons execute Bartel trade, but another believes let Varcoe grow and turn him into Buddy/Pav.
i just don't want a player scoring 60 every week on my field in my team
In that case, trade up to Bartel. Buddy trade would be if you're gunning for league win, but if you're just playing for overall, go Bartel.
don't like varcoe scoring 60 every week on my field leaning towards bartel trade
Thanks for the help tonight Mr Crimmins, really appreciated.
Good luck this weekend.
No worries James, please is all mine.
All the best.
Should i use my last trade to get rid of bennel or get dwyer in?
I think Bennell's price to too high to go all way down to Dwyer. Either trade out someone of lower price to Dwyer and hold Bennell, or trade out Bennell for a Fyfe, Mundy or other players around that price who are scoring well, but will generate cash.
I mean should i use it to trade bennell for someone like mundy or try to get dwyer in by trading a rookie. I only have one trade left.
Ahh I see. I'd get Dwyer in personally. His price-rise is more important than Bennell's drop in price – plus another poor week from Bennell and you'll still have cash to turn into a premium.
yeah thanks a lot mr crimmins
Hi I'm keen on your thoughts. Based on my opponent this weekend I don't need to trade as their side is deplorable but I do have Watts (FWD) & Karnezis. Looking to bring in Kennedy & Dwyer which will leave me $480k.
Should i save my trades or do they both have to go considering the money that can be gained by bringing the other 2 in?
If you want to bring in Kennedy and Dwyer, this is the week it must be done. They'll rocket up in price and you'll have missed the boat my son. The money gained from trade will be significantly higher if done this week. Get JJK/Dwyer in THIS WEEK.
So money to be gained is more important than saving a couple of trades for later? I haven't made any other trades yet.
I reckon, only because if you don't, you'll miss out on these rookies and you won't have any venues for cash generation.
My Midfield consists of ablett / liberatore / dal santo / ward / masten / redden with a bench of mulett / whitfield / rich …… (doing afl fantasy elite) who should I sub out? Im thinking Dal Santo for Mullet or whitfield but Im so unsure
I'd go Whitfield. Mullett playing well, but worried it's just a flash in the pan. Judging Shiel's comments, GWS are going to go all out on St Kilda. And sub for Dal Santo – I reckon sides are going to tag him more now given how susceptible he is to it
thanks!!
Is it suicide to have Mundy, Fyfe and Barlow in the midfield?
Thinking of trading OUT-Shuey, IN-Barlow
But could trade OUT-Shuey, IN-J.Watson
as I have 400k in the bank
Your Thoughts
I don't reckon it is a problem having the 3 early on, but as you head towards the byes, it could be an issue.
I like the Shuey to Watson trade most – Jobe easily in top 5 SC midfielders, can bank 100+ off him every week.
Totally agree mate just thought that Barlow could generate some good cash and get himself towards the 600K mark this year.
mr crimmins do you know how they work out the fixtures in head to head leagues
in all of my leagues i'm other 1 or 2 and i seem to be playing someone from the top 4 in all 4 of my leagues.
I'll be lying if I had a definitive answer, but going by trend, it could be selected by how you score in the first couple of weeks and where you stand amongst everyone else. But if someone from the community want to clarify this, be my guest.
Great Article
Just wondering if Zorko to Kennedy would be a good move. this will free up some cash.
I'd definitely try get Kennedy in, but would keep Zorko IMO. Maybe look at other possible premium fails
ok thanks, I will give Zorko more time
using fwd emergency loophole rowe as emergency with maccafer on the field
but need to decide one lock in fwd neade, varcoe or rowe? on the field?
sorry rowe or varcoe emergency loophole doesn't work with two players playing at the same time
Just one more question:
Karnezis/Macaffer to Dwyer or Docherty to Luke Brown?
Thanks Crim.
Doch to Luke Brown if you've got enough cover for Karnezis' 0 this week. Then you can have a look at either downgrading Karny to someone like Kerridge, Lee or Mayes depending on who's playing well, or upgrading him if you've got the money.
rowe or varcoe on the field?
What 2 rookies play out of these 4???
Viney, O'Meara, Wines, Crouch.
Also, Ablett captain or someone like Jobe or Swanny?
o'meara and wines
ablett captain everyday of the week
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Pendles or GAJ as el capitain'…..Gazza is consistant and should score well against the Lions, but Pendles may lift really well against the Hawks…so much to prove after last year against them!!
Should I get Petrie out of my team???
Does the loophole work for an emergency or does it have to be a player who was not selected at all?
I'm thinking Hale….?