Todd Goldstein Supercoach 2017

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There was a lot of frustration on the message boards regarding Todd Goldstein in 2016. 29% of us shelled out 695k at the beginning of the year and we expected results goddammit!

Maybe we were looking at him to reproduce his trouser arousing 2015 season where he averaged 128 and rewrote the record books, smashing Gary Dempsey’s 30 year old record for the most hit outs in a season and causing many declarations of love when you whacked the C on him.

Stats wise, his numbers were down across the board in 2016. He lost his #1 ruck mantle to Max Gawn this year, averaging less disposals, marks, hitouts, and tackles when compared to his freakish 2015. You shouldn’t write the great man off community, class is permanent and here’s hoping his offseason break and Christmas turkey has given him enough rest to reload for 2017.

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2017 Price: $588,400
2017 Position: RUCK
Games last season: 21
Average last season: 108.1
100+ games last season: 12 (high score: 173)
Sub 80 games last season: 1 (low score: 52)
Price range last season: $491,000 (round 23) – 695,000 (round 1)
Missed games last season:
  • Was a late withdrawal in round 11 with knee soreness
Significant history:
  • Second overall for hitouts (771) at 36.7 a game (also 2nd) (both regular season only)

  • 2015 All Australian

  • Durable beast for a ruckman – missed 7 games since 2010

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RISK FACTOR

There’s not a whole lot. Those missed games have been spread over the years, Todd simply doesn’t get injured (I’ve probably just jinxed the bloke). He’s consistent too, averaged at least 106 for the past 4 years. There was definitely a period though the year where Todd was playing injured, a certain someone in the community would predict that he would be a late withdrawal every bloody week only to be proven right once and then was an insufferable dick about it. He’s much too important for North not to give him time off if he needed it. His injury troubles don’t worry me.

Just as we’re heading towards a resounding YES, I’m gonna throw a curve ball in. There’s the continued emergence of Majak Daw. Here’s what happened they were selected together in 2016.

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We know what can happen when blokes start sharing ruck duties (Stefan bloody Martin anyone?) Majak has managed 24 games in 4 seasons at Norf. He turned his back on several rival clubs and signed a three year deal during the year. North have Daw in their plans, it’s something you’ll need to keep an eye on during the preseason.

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SELECTION PURPOSE

Once again Todd will be a keeper premium selection in 2017. Lock him in and forget about it. The real question is who to start alongside him? Gawn? Grundy? Sandi? Big Stiffy Martin? Sauce? Other?

THE GOOD

  • Under 600k for a proven super premo
  • North are way too reliant on him. Unlikely to miss games even if he’s carrying a niggle
  • Gets amongst it without giving away silly free kicks

THE DOWNSIDE

  • Will Majak play more and stuff things up?
  • Are those niggles a sign of his age catching up with him? (He’s only 28, I’m reaching here!)
  • There was all sorts of innuendo flying around about Todd putting little Todd in places he shouldn’t. Will this become a distraction for him in 2017?

THE VERDICT

We all love a bargain but the rucks are the wrong place to take a gamble. If your mid price SHARK MOVE fails then it’s bloody hard to get in a top ruck

LOCK HIM IN.

Kev

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  1. The Bont says:

    Goldy and sauce for me .
    Like you said Kev class is permanent , expecting him to come back out in 2017 and average 110+ .
    Only thing that will change that is if sandi comes out and has a decent pre season , Grundy not quite ready yet and Gawn a touch over priced for me . Good job Kev

    • Kev says:

      Cheers, Bont.

      I've been playing around with structures that include Sandiballs. I reckon with the fallen mid premiums and so many up and comers he may not be a risk we have to take

  2. Nick Wealands says:

    I'll fork out in the ruck department and most likely go with a Gawn and Goldmember combo, that way I shouldn't have to do any ruck trades at any stage during the season except for injury (which hopefully it never comes to)

  3. Mickyb says:

    My biggest concern in having gawn and goldy.

    As said on one of the pods (can't remember what ep) but the prior years 1-2 ruck combo never are the 1-2ruck combo the following year. So in my eyesu need either gawn or goldy but not both

    • Kev says:

      Agree, Mickyb. Plenty of runs on the board Todd. I reckon an 105 ave is a very conservative estimate. You'd take that at his price

    • Scouser says:

      I think this is most relevant point for the rucks and despite going set and forget last year and it serving well I think the fact that we get Ryder back and available as a swing with such a thin line of premo forwards gives us a really viable option for cover here so hoping Sandi can get back to form early and save me some coin so I can uograde to #1 ruck around the byes, with a bit of discount being the icing on the cake. Also, looking to start Grundy as think he is developing nicely and has the best chance for improvement from the premo rucks with Collingwoods midfield looking stellar and his nice run home post byes last season. Also encouraging is the fact that based on others ruck comments in the community this would seem a POD combo with good reward opportunity.

  4. I N Pieman says:

    Think it's going to be between Goldy & Sandi for R2. If I start with Ryder then it does allow the risk. The Majac factor has me scratching my head as well. They didn't sign him up for 3 years to make sandwiches. Ripping read Kev. Plenty to ponder

    • Kev says:

      Taking a risk on Sandi or Ryder. I could stomach that. Taking a risk on Sandi AND Ryder. That's got a certain "drowning my sorrows on a Sunday night" stench to it.

      • I N Pieman says:

        Well Kev if you think that's risky you should see the rest of my team. Skydive without a parachute risky. I love value. And that's why I love tinder. Chicks cost nothin

    • fatboyfat7 says:

      Gawn and Sandi for me as it stands, Ryder in the Fwd's if swing required. I'll pay the overs for Gawn as I will for Danger, VC loop is worth the extra cost on these blokes IMO. Early doors though!

    • Scouser says:

      Agree INP, Daw's not going to be playing second fiddle much longer it's just a question of when, but they must bring him on more in 2017 you'd think and that gradual erosion of Goldy could really hurt his overall value so not going to part top-end coin from the get-go for him

  5. Steeeve says:

    Goldy and Sandi for me. Swap Sandi out for Gawn at a discount before the big Docker inevitably breaks down.

  6. Alferton says:

    Think it's going to be Gawn and Sandi to start the year, with Ryder in the forwards to cover. Look to upgrade to Goldy during the season. Though I feel Gawn is a bit overpriced. Great read Kev. Thought provoking. I thought I was set now looking at starting with Goldy.

  7. Jock disciple sifi says:

    I would like to save and go with Sandi but only if Sandi has had a strong pre season and then playing round one. If not going with Goldy. Gawn a lock throw away the key and be happy.

    • Stirlsy says:

      I'm based in WA and 2017 Sandi is looking very slim compared to last couple of seasons, so far all is good with him, he said in a resent presser he has lost some weight to help him get around the ground better, im also looking at him to save but at this stage the killer G men will do me Gawn/Goldy

  8. Luskin Star says:

    Had many diff combos. This article and the comments on it have convinced me there is only one way to go. Gawn and Goldie. Cheaper options leave you nowhere to go if they dont work out.

  9. Adam says:

    9 of his first 13 games are at Etihad where he averaged 106.46 in 2016 and 8 of the first 13 games are against top 9 teams which he averaged 98.09 with only 2/11 above 120 and 6/11 below 100 as well as averaging 99.7 in losses in 2016 with 1/10 over 120. On the other hand he averaged 115.82 in wins in 2016 with 5/11 over 120 as well as averaging 119.2 against bottom 9 teams with a lowest score of 87 and 5/10 over 118. 5 of his first 10 games are on a Sunday on which he averaged 126.5 from 4 games in 2016. 6 of his first 10 games are afternoon games from which he averaged 11.8 in 2016. 13 of 23 games are on a Saturday on which he averaged 108.17 in 2016. Also 4 Saturday night games in his first 13 games from which he averaged 121 in 2016 with 4/6 over 118.

    • Kevan says:

      Great set of stats there Adam. What would you recommend we do with Goldy? I'm in the Goldy/Sandi camp at the moment with a cheap, high scoring forward/ruck in Paddy(he will be the sole man at Port).

      • Adam says:

        I like the Goldy/Sandi combo as Goldstein will be a top 2 ruck and if Sandi can stay fit and avoid injuries he should be able to match or better Grundy's performance. Goldstein's scoring was hampered by injury for the second half of the year but he should retain his super premo status by averaging in excess of 115 in 2017. Also like the Ryder pick up forward as he should be able to average 90 at a minimum and 105 at max and should be good for a F6/R3 spot at the end of the year. With the continual improvement of Ollie Wines, class of Robbie Gray and no Lobbe to contest with for the No1 ruck spot at Port Adelaide Ryder should be a great pick.

  10. TRIGGER HAPPY says:

    Rucks r a bit of a unknown at the moment.
    Will wait and see how they go pre season

    read an interesting article on Martin the other day. Confirmed injured most of 2016 had had surgery to fix the problem, fit again this pre season injury free.

    Has said wants to be #1 ruck in 2017.
    Sound familiar? Last time a Ruckman made a statement like that finished all Australian and #1 ruck in the land.

    Case of history repeating?

  11. Derek says:

    the last two years i have stuffed my Rucks.

    Last year it was Lobbe, the year before it was Bell-Chambers. I'm not going cheap ever again.

    Gawn and Goldie. locked!

  12. MoustachioSC says:

    Thoughts on rucks:
    There is no way I can look past Goldie at this price.
    Gawn is way overs, and will not be a valid VC option in first half of season (late games). Will grab as an upgrade at byes.
    Sandi is way too much value to pass up.
    Stef is a walking injury who had 1 good season, playing for a team with no prospects.
    IDK what happened to Sauce.
    If Goldie and Sandi weren't already locked in, I'd think about Grundy. Fair chance he will go 110 av.

  13. Davo says:

    I'm thinking Gawn and Ryder with Sandi at R3 and even T Boyd in Fwds as swing cover as well…lol……the last 3 years I have been burnt badly by unlucky ruck injuries, no cover, donuts, Gawn/goldy both on the same bye etc, etc etc

  14. Belly says:

    Gawn and brodie grundy-son locked in for me. Set and forget is the way to go…..sandi will break down and cost trades. I always go set and forget and it is the only way!

  15. Hazey says:

    If you're going with Goldy, consider the big bloke B Preuss as R3. Upgraded from the rookie list and comping at the bit. If Goldy misses, he's a real show to come in and cover for him to help Majak out.

    I'll not sure how North will fit both BBB and Majak in at FF this year.

  16. neildemonsdelight says:

    great read kev goldy/gawn absolutely locked with eagles T.Boyd and Ryder