The Daily Fantasy Verdict – Todd Goldstein

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The Daily Fantasy Verdict - Todd Goldstein

When I think security I think of a few things.

I think of Durex, which have saved me a few times community, I think Bonds jocks, which do a fantastic job of securing the Lek-Package, I think of Crim-Safe doors, Australia’s leaders in security door technology and I think of North Melbourne’s Ruckman, Todd Goldstein.

When the fantasy gods were cooking up the perfect fantasy football player, Todd Goldstein was the bloke they had in mind. The 201cm goliath has redefined what it means to be a ruckman in this fantasy caper of ours. This isn’t just a bloke who can hit a ball towards players in the same colour as him; this is an elite footballer that can read the ball as it fly’s through the air better than Hypotenuse could read the side of a triangle.


Not only did Goldstein finish first for hitouts in 2015 with a grand total of 1058 (60 higher than the next best in Aaron Sandilands) but he also finished first for total Supercoach points with 2705 (next best was Scott Pendlebury with 2557) and first for total AFL Fantasy points with 2663 (including finals)!

Goldstein’s impressive 2015 fantasy campaign didn’t just come about from punching a few balls to teammates. Whilst he did average 44.1 hitouts for the 2015 season he also became an accumulator of the ball, averaging 14.7 disposals, 4.2 marks and 4.2 tackles per game! Flashback to 2014 and most thought the change in ruck scoring would leave Goldstein stuffed…how wrong we were, the big bastard averaged 128.8 Supercoach points and 113.8 AFL Fantasy points for the year.

Now what really impresses me is the security this man provides, he has been so consistent for so long now that I think we all just need to lock him in and throw away the key. Since 2010 Goldstein has played at least 21 games each season (missing just round 23 in 2015) and since 2011 he has averaged at least 12 disposals per game and at least 31.6 hitouts per game. He also spends the whole game out on the ground and was ranked 16th for time on ground in 2015, this means the new rotation cap and lack of sub-rule will see this man on the ground as much as the goal posts!

If I haven’t sold you on him yet I’ll just add this, against Essendon in round 16 of 2015 he scored 221 Supercoach points and 175 AFL Fantasy points…

2016 Prices: $695K SC, $630K AF, $11.1K CoachKings
2016 Position: RUCK
Games last season: 21
Average last season: 129 SC, 114 AF, 139 CK
100+ SC Games last season: 18
Sub 80 SC games last season: 1
SCPrice range last season: $511K – $771K
Missed games last season: 1

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The case for:   

  • Simply put you can’t afford to not have Goldstein’s consistent 100+ scores in your side.
  • With Goldstein at R1 you don’t need to worry about whether he’ll play or not, he’ll be playing every week.
  • How he scores. Goldstein scores from accumulating the pill, tackling and of course hitouts. He’s the best in the comp at hitting the ball to his teammates and that form is going to continue in 2016.
  • Goldstein just signed a new three-year deal so he won’t be having the free agency jitters we’ve seen in the past.

The case against:

  • This is the major one community, he’s the most expensive player in the game but so he deserves. You might be able to save a fair bit of cash by not selecting him but it is a risk.
  • Sheep selection. Every man and his dog will have Goldstein in their team, if he goes down then we’re all stuffed. But if you take a risk and don’t select him then you’ll be miles ahead if he misses games.
  • Other options. There are a lot of cheap ruck options this year and you have to ask yourself if an extra 20+ points a game from Goldstein is worth the extra $200K+ starting price on his head.

The Verdict:

  • CoachKings – He’ll cost some big coin but I don’t think you can afford NOT to select him. If you can pick the one game in 2016 when his score will drop below 100 then more power to you, but if you’re human like me you just deduct him from your salary cap every North Melbourne game.
  • Supercoach/AFL Fantasy – Those of you who know me in the community know that I spend big in the ruck department. This year will be no different when it comes to my R1, lock in Goldstein and throw away the key. He was the number one fantasy scorer in both codes in 2015 and for good reason; he’s very good at football.

Now it’s over to you Community, how many of you will be locking in Todd Goldstein for 2016?

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  1. Hawker_08 says:

    Good on ya Jock. The key is long gone and I gave no idea where I tossed it!! LOCK HIM IN

  2. Ben says:

    Way too expensive to start with Goldy. Will start with Lobbe who will thrive as the sole ruck at Port which will see him substantially increase in value. Then i'll trade Lobbe out for Goldy once Goldy has played early games against many of the toughest ruck opponents in the league which should see him drop in price considerably.

    I did the same thing last year with Goldy and pounced on him at the start of round 10 when he was just 511k.

    • LEKD0G says:

      Against his first four opponents in 2016, he scored 100, 154, 44, 127, 155, 116, against those teams in 2015. He'll lose cash but still average 120. Lobbe at R2 for me I think

      • Ben says:

        I feel as though 2015 was an outlier though and cannot see Goldy going close to a 129 average again this year. I think he will average somewhere between 110 – 115 over the first few rounds which will see a big drop in price.

        • LEKD0G says:

          Yeah fair enough mate, you can count on him dropping price for sure, I just like locking rucks in and not thinking about them again haha

          • Ben says:

            Completely understand the set and forget strategy. A lot less stress involved!

      • WombatsFC says:

        Bloody hell how cheap will he be after round 5 if he opens with, 100, 116, 44?
        I reckon the smarter move would be to grab Lobbe or Sinclair, depending on nab, and spend the saving on upgrading Parish to Crouch, libba,jom.
        However if you like to play it safe he's the obvious early choice.

        Here's something to consider, he's only a few cm's taller that The Crippler and there are a lot of other really tall strong mids this year. I can see goldy getting rubbed in the dirt a lot more often and a 3rd man up poaching his taps more than previous years.

        • Dools says:

          Wombat. you nailed it … every team is aware of his capabilities. Statagies have to be in place to counter his dominance. .. ps missed you mate.

          • Fast Hands says:

            As long as they learnt from the essendon strategy of no ruck. What are they on? Oh that’s right drugs.

          • WombatsFC says:

            Thanks mate I missed you too:-)

        • Hazey says:

          Third man up is just a rubbish rule. If teams go third man up, the Roo's should run Majak on the ball and go fourth man up, then teams will go fifth man up, so North should go sixth man up….

  3. Patch says:

    Love it, Lek. Locked and loaded.

  4. Mrs Goldstein says:

    Yep throw awyay the key.

    • LEKD0G says:

      You better be keeping him fit and healthy in the offseason Mrs Goldy!

  5. Mick says:

    Locked, at this stage I'm going in with Goldy and Lobbe.

  6. gaveday says:

    upgrade target, he'll flounder at some point. Surely……

  7. sam siddall says:

    Going stef and lobbe at this stage letting me lock in b.crouch at m8 hopefully lobbe starts good goldy drops abit and with first upgrade downgrade trades lobbe out goldy in for only 100 to 150k difference

  8. Shane Morrison says:

    I can’t spend more on a ruck than I do on the best mids. With Champion Data buggering around with the rucks last year, who knows what we will have in store this year. He’s about 4th in line for me, I just lose too much elsewhere to consider him at the price.

  9. Jimi says:

    With his starting price Goldy is an upgrade target for me.

    I'm saving $100k and going with Martin R1, I expect he'll at least maintain his 110 average, possibly could go up 5-10 now that Luey is out of the picture at Brisbane.

  10. t-Mitch says:

    I’ve never been more certain about starting a player in SuperCoach in my life!

  11. Stirlsy says:

    To much dosh to spend at the start of season, prefer to spend the 100k I can save on a gut premo, ill start with Sauce Jacobs and im tossing around 3 others as the back up and look to get Goldy at around the 600k mark or a little less around rnd 8 to 10.

  12. I N Pieman says:

    Toughest call of the preseason for mine. If you don’t pick him in the hope that he can’t hold his price & he starts pumping out 160’s you’ll be in trouble. If he has a slowish start it’s a huge advantage to non owners. 50/50 at this stage Lek. Love ya work

    • nathan says:

      Its the same with ablett most years
      Do you not take him in hope he fails
      Or do you take him and hope succeeds

  13. TRIGGER HAPPY says:

    No for me at that price. Rucks are my conundrum. Do I go luey and dusty or stef martin and bird/Hutchings who I think could be a great pod. Decision, decisions.

    Gotta remember there is a 221 in that Avg so logic says he has gotta come down in price if goes 110-115. He will have an so so game before the byes then everyone will want to get in bed with goldy a lock.

    • LEKD0G says:

      There was also a 44 which balances the 221

    • bUCKET__ says:

      Hutchings will be depth this year mate, avoid like the plague. The WCE best 22 has to add Redden and Jetta, and Duggan is likely going to be ahead of Hutch too. Not much room for him. Bird a heaps better option and I dunno if many people will select him as a midpricer!

  14. CroMagnon Man says:

    Lockity-lock!

  15. John says:

    Thoughts community on Jimmy Webster? Might breakout at last

    • Mark says:

      I think thats a very valid option there John

    • knighta says:

      Im a saints fan John, whilst i really like the kid as a player and agree he could make a leap in 16, i don't see him averaging 90 to be relevant for our sides

    • Stuart says:

      He'll improve. But I don't see him ever being sc relevant.

    • Aaron says:

      Sorry mate, but it's one of the worst calls I've heard all pre-season.

  16. WazzaX says:

    Locked in… I'm spending a large sum on the rucks this season as last year they were the difference in winning or losing many rounds in my league and with all the mid price premos up for grabs I think its worth doing in my opinion

  17. Liam says:

    James Kelly has just signed with Essendon as one of there top up players. Surely he has to be considered.
    Does anyone know what price he would be at ?

    • Goldylock says:

      76 average has him at 410k

    • Patch says:

      Yep, he'll be undervalued because he got injured numerous times last year. If he gets MID/DEF (which he should) he is locked away in my side for a 95 average.

      • Liam says:

        Even if he is priced at 410k ?
        I would much prefer to have Smith or Malceski for around the same. I can't see Kelly averaging more than 80

      • Jimi says:

        Hasn't averaged above 90 for 3 years, I'd want him to be at least below 350k before I'd consider him.

        • LEKD0G says:

          $410K is very affordable for a defender, an 85 average from him would be a worthy investment.

    • M-Town Ballers says:

      Has come out on bombers website and said he’s felling fresh but not fit. I think he was picked up to lead the kids by being a loud voice and a big body. He should play mid but not sure if he’ll score well

  18. Sam says:

    How about Rhys Stanley from Geelong, handy fwd/ruc swing, bit of risk involved, but i think that he has a big upside and if you saw him in his final game before injury, he had scored 135SC in a just over a half a game!! Thoughts? Maybe a f4/f5 spot?

    • LEKD0G says:

      He's worth a look, I'll probably be using Luey as my F4/5 Ruck swing

  19. gaveday says:

    You know – i'd love to see an article on the 6 ruck option.
    Actually you could do more, but 6 would be something like Blicavs in the mid, leui, lobbe, trent west, in ruck – sinclair in in fwd with gorringe or hickey or bloody whoever really…… I mean YOU COULD do it. and maybe not damage you're starting 22 or budget beyond repair either.
    The idea being that you choose mid price rucks who develop $$$ then swing set them into ruck and upgrade in other areas late on – it also gives you huge injury protection –

    Of course I WON"T be doing it. But hey.

  20. Derek says:

    Norf have a pretty good draw to start the season.

    In their first 9 games they only have Crows, Fremantle & Dogs who were top 8 last year and they get those three games at HOME.

    Their other 6 games are against, Lions, Melb, GoldCoast, Saints, Essendon & Carlton.

    Besides Goldy, what other Norf players should we be looking at?

  21. Josh Bootsma says:

    Great work Lek!

    Just wanted to know what the "priced to average" formula is?
    Eg. What score would Goldy have to average to maintain his $677,000 price tag? This will help the community to make calculated decisions about which premiums and mid-pricers to select.

    Keep up the great work!

    • LEKD0G says:

      I don't have the formula for this year but it' about 130 for his price, he won't maintain the price. Just saves a trade having him in early I feel, as well as locking in 120 points a week

      • LuskinStar says:

        I think the breakeven for $677000 is 125. I thought though his price was $695100.

        • Josh Bootsma says:

          Sorry, his price is $695,100.

          How are you estimating these Breakevens?

  22. Kev says:

    Brilliant write up Lek. Absolute lock for mine, Gaz was 695k last year from memory and Goldy can pull Gaz-esque numbers. I can deal with a bad game

  23. Dools says:

    i rate the set and forget ruck stratagy. 2015 i went in with Goldy and Big Ivan (the woefully Terrible ) . This is the call of the 2016 SC season.

    Has a ruck man every dominated so much…No

    I’m all for paying premium on great players like baby Jesus and Dependelberry. ..But a single Ruck???? much to ponder Lek..much to ponder….To the Fridge!!

    • LEKD0G says:

      Hey Dools, last year I had Goldy and Mummy. Will look to go large again with Goldy this year, he was the number one player in all fantasy codes last year, ignoring him will be a difficult thing to do. Think off him as offsetting the price reduction on GAZ

      • General Soreness says:

        Last year Goldy started at $511K no brainer. $160K dearer this year, I have plans for those $$$ 🙂

  24. TRIGGER HAPPY says:

    Worth noting that every premo fell in price during the year. Just need to decide if you take the gamble on this happening early on or if you start with them and hope it happens later and they punch out the some big scores to give you some breathing space on the pack.

  25. sterlings gold says:

    I'm with you lekdog, not having to make trades always the best strategy, lock in the big boys from day dot!!

  26. LuskinStar says:

    For players who will be as popular as Goldy you either take him on Day 1 or go without him all year in my opinion. As the season wears on you should be looking for a POD not locking in someone that those ahead of you in rank also have. At this stage I'm with him.

  27. BarronVonCrow says:

    I'm like bloody Ross and Rachael on this one, fellas, jumping back and forth on will I or won't I have Goldy in my side. For a little bit I think we're gonna get together, but then something happens and he's on the outer again. I absolutely love set and forget rucks, so that means a Lobbe/Leuenberger combo is less appealing than say a Goldstein and Mumford/Nic Nat/Jacobs combo, but that's a lot of cash to fork out in one go. But I think this year might be the best one yet to spend up big in the rucks with some good high end talent at mid level prices available in the middle of the ground this season.

    I will have to ponder on this some more. You're certainly convincing me why I should grab him, Lek.

  28. throttlefinger says:

    Well done, my man. Miss the Lekprose! Although knowing your love of lavishing the rucks, the verdict not a shocker.

    Price is just too damn high. Agree with Wombats that he'll garner some more attention and his numbers will dip. First 4 games have him against Sauce, Martin and Sandi (Bombers he'll go 130+) so can see that value dropping significantly.

    Love the man but too many trims and cuts would need to be cut with the structures I've started to settle on. See you Round 8 or so Goldie!

    • wombatsfc says:

      Well said Americano.
      Those first 3 don't look like price maintaining opponents for Goldy at 700k. I might go double jeopardy in the rucks and get 2 potential guns for the price of 1 goldy that way I can slot roo into F5

    • Derek says:

      after the first 4 games, the next 5 are real nice.

      prices are on hold for the first 3 weeks, so won't get much drop before the nice run of games.

    • LEKD0G says:

      Throttle, forever my voice of reason. This is one that i'll cover my ears and yell over the top of however…lock him in with the bald bloke from Gold Coast and then build the team.

  29. The Guru says:

    Nothing surer than skid dies in the jocks, Jock. He's a dead set brick in the wall cobber.

  30. General Soreness says:

    Big fan of the big man, but I am a bigger fan of value and SC points. He will stay on my radar and in the unlikely event he is going as well as 2015, I will bring him in, probably $100K cheaper. Set and forget can be achieved with $150K less that can be used elsewhere. without factoring in price rises on my rucks and $150K spend elsewhere, I expect to be significantly better off not taking Goldy initially. Therefore I encourage everyone to lock Goldy away. 🙂

    • Swans2012 says:

      I’m with you general, just too much spend for a big lanky bastard….

  31. TJM says:

    Thoughts on Tom Nicholls and Mumford?

    • LEKD0G says:

      Mummy an injury risk but one of my favourite AFL players, Nicholls is a tough call…need to see preseason form

    • M-Town Ballers says:

      Will be keeping an eye on a possible Nicholls and Curry R2 R3
      Nicholls said one Suns website he’s fighting with curry for No 1 ruck possi

  32. gaveday says:

    While you all drool over goldy and his big hitting numbers, remember that Leu is priced to average 57, whilst goldy is priced to average 128.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Upgrade target. Don't take him early.

  33. Mac says:

    Anyone interested in Harley Bennel

    • gaveday says:

      Yes and no. I'm going for dusty and wingard, but HB is in the mix if I get on the sauce.

      • Mac says:

        I currently already have chop sticks and wingard, not sure who to have as my third premo forward, seriously thinking about Westhoff as a major POD

        • gaveday says:

          I'm playing it super risky ATM.
          FWD line is Martin, wingard, bird, daisy, wells, Jed anderson, Callum sincair (RUCK), Sam kerridge

    • BKW says:

      Had Bennell last year and he did my head in (inconsistencies, injury, club suspension) super talented but not sure he he has dedication to be an elite player

  34. Derek says:

    Yarran $400k or Malceski $384k or BSmith $415k?

  35. The Ranger says:

    Lek, TF, Wombats, the General, Dools, Patch, the Barron, Pieman, Derek, Sarah…blimey, everyones back on board!
    Even Bootsma!
    Good to see / hear / read you all again and thanks Jock and team for making it all possible, I was wondering how the footy would be this year without this motley crew.
    A happy new year to all and best of luck for the year ahead.

    Nic Nat and Lobbe are sitting in my first draft team but hey, it's early days…

    • LEKD0G says:

      WE'RE BACK BABY

    • Wombatsfc says:

      Thanks for the shout out Ranger for a minute I thought you'd posted a 'show us your team' but there's now way TF would make a full back and I'm not real sure on Dools at CHB either. Barron and Pieman in the middle works and Sarah at CHF is genius

      • Sarah says:

        Lol! Thanks Wombats!

        • The Ranger says:

          And where would you be playing Wombats?
          In my minds eye I'm seeing you as an in and under type, winning lots of hard ball gets while other, more fancy types, bask in the glory your hard work has afforded them.

          • wombatsfc says:

            In your lineup you had me in the back pocket, that'll do but I'm probably more suited to the members lounge

    • Derek says:

      Same R1 & R2 as me

    • Sarah says:

      Cheers Ranger! It's great that we're all back. I couldn't cope without this website. I need my supercoach fix!!!

  36. sam says:

    Jonathan Simpkin joins Essendon as a top-up player, my thought is this could be very fantasy relevant! should be pretty cheap and probably a mid/fwd???

    • BKW says:

      Yeah I like him – depends on price

      • Sarah says:

        He should be cheap. His average last year was 26. Only played 1 sub-effected game – 34 minutes to be exact! I estimate his price to start at $140,300 based on this years formula.

  37. Chicko says:

    I love the Goldfinger, massive price and at this stage I’m starting with him. Will check out Lobbe in the NAB but Luey too much of a risk even in my decimated Bombers line up. Tip my bowler hat to you Lek!

  38. wombatsfc says:

    Bizarre. Goldy was SC top ave last year a full 12 ave points higher than Pendle yet only 40% of teams had him at the end

  39. @wheels_1987 says:

    Such a big task
    Goldy
    or
    Lobbe + Luey

    This descision will make or break many seasons

  40. @emhoy says:

    He was my first picked player, lock him and throw away the key. Good luck trying to bring him into your team if you don't start with him.

  41. PJ8 says:

    Nice Lek! Goldy is a must have. He will be, along with Libba and Rocky, in 70%+ of teams.

    The main question will be who to get in R2? Who out of the next best group to get? Martin, Mumford, Jacobs, NicNat are all great options and with one of these along side Goldy could potentially look at 220-250 points a week just from the Rucks and that's before you put the C on Goldy.

    Or save money and risk Berger, Kruz or Z.Smith?

    Thoughts on R2 community? Who will you be looking at Lek?

  42. Matt says:

    Picking goldy expecting him to drop 10-15 points in average, but hoping for the best. It’s a dangerous game going into the season planning to trade a player in, all it takes is a couple of spot fires and your left with a ruck averaging 85 and you’re losing 30 points a game not having goldy. For me I’m starting him. If he drops 15 points per game he’ll still be top 2 or 3 if not still number 1.